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First Minister's questions. That is the cause of questions. Time | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
for me to say goodbye. I will hand over to David. | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
mistake for the Conservatives to do this. They are trying to allege | :00:07. | :00:12. | |
improper knowledge on our part of some influence in terms of the | :00:13. | :00:22. | |
Reverend Flowers. Secondly, by getting into a political dogfight, | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
they are going to focus attention of our relationship with the Co-op in | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
recent years, terms of encouraging men to take over Lloyds bank. The | :00:32. | :00:37. | |
latest revelation about leaning on the European Union. This was started | :00:38. | :00:46. | |
in the last three days by the Prime Minister. I think it has been an | :00:47. | :00:54. | |
error of judgement. We are going to welcome you in Scotland. Why did the | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
Chancellor have 30 meetings with the co-operative bank, head of the | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
failed bid for a takeover of the Lloyds branches? These stories are | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
related. They are both about the co-operative bank. They are not the | :01:10. | :01:17. | |
same issue at all. There are questions to be asked. Questions | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
about how he could have been licensed to be in this position and | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
what they knew about the general health of the bank at a later stage. | :01:27. | :01:36. | |
They are not the same thing at all. No, but it should be looked at. | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
Relationships between George Osborne and the Treasurer were also close. | :01:41. | :01:48. | |
He has been shown to know nothing about the bank. Why did they have | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
all those meetings? Why is he so involved in the failed bid for a | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
takeover? What is the due diligence? There will be multiple enquiries. | :02:00. | :03:13. | |
Lots of things will I said did the Treasury on the Lloyds deal to be | :03:14. | :03:20. | |
done or with the Co-op? My view was they wanted it to be done with the | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
Co-op. So did Labour. By trying to get into this fight, I thought this | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
could be a short-term tactic which backfired very badly. In the end it | :03:33. | :03:42. | |
is not -- mudslinging on both sides. Now it is in a very sticky situation | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
for both sides. Yes, I think that is true. The Lloyds merger with HBOS | :03:49. | :03:56. | |
during the financial crisis and one of the reasons they were able to | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
take it over was it was agreed with some branches and there had to be a | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
home found for them. What they were trying to do was provide more | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
diversity and in the end we ended up with TSB. What do you think of | :04:10. | :04:19. | |
Reverend Flowers? The question of how he got to the position of | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
chairman of the Co-op tank, how did that happen? I don't know. It is | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
bizarre. It is different from a commercial situation. You would | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
normally have a head hunter. Because it is the co-operative movement, he | :04:35. | :04:37. | |
seems to have come through the trustee route. It seems that he was | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
not questioned more. Was questioned but only once. Is it your | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
understanding that it was your belief that no one in Labour Party | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
headquarters are in the leader's office knew the real reason why no | :04:53. | :05:00. | |
one -- that no one knew the real reason why Mr Flowers stepped down | :05:01. | :05:10. | |
from Radford city council? If Ed Miliband had known... The point Jo | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
was asking was about the pornography on the computer and inappropriate | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
e-mails being sent. It is your view that no one in the Labour Party | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
headquarters in London or in the leader's office knew why he had | :05:27. | :05:32. | |
resigned? That covers a few hundred people. It would only take one to be | :05:33. | :05:38. | |
enough. It is difficult for me to speak to all of them but I do not | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
think anyone senior in the Labour Party knew about this guy. The thing | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
that is getting lost which I think is a shame, the Co-op made a series | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
of bad mistakes, ultimately resulting in bad appointment, | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
including Reverend Flowers, that resulted in a 1.6 million black | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
hole. In the middle of all this mudslinging is whether there is a | :06:03. | :06:09. | |
question of a role for something different in banking, whether there | :06:10. | :06:12. | |
is a role for me to listen or credit unions. I think it is getting | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
completely lost because of the colourful life of Reverend Flowers. | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
We will have to leave it there. Councils in England say they are | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
losing ?4.1 billion to Scotland and Wales because the formula for | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
allocating money across the UK has not been updated since the 1970s. In | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
a moment, we will speak to the Local Government Association but first we | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
are joined by our political correspondent Vicki Young in | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
Westminster and Jamie McIvor in Scotland. We have long heard | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
complaints about the so-called Barnett formula. How much money | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
would Scotland and Wales lose and how much would England game? It is | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
nothing new. There are already complaints about how the fauna | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
works. There are new figures today saying that England is out of pocket | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
by ?4.1 billion. They say the Barnett formula is a historic relic | :07:07. | :07:09. | |
from the 1970s and their main complaint is it is not based on | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
need, it is based on population. What they are saying is we need now | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
in England, when it comes to adult social care is very great and they | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
think it is a matter of when that formula is going to change, not if. | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
The LGA themselves are coming up with alternative methods of funding. | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
I do not think we should expect any changes ahead of the Scottish | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
referendum but they are saying if you're going to look at changing the | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
powers of the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly, that formula has | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
to change and England must not lose out any longer. No doubt that the | :07:43. | :07:54. | |
action in Scotland will be one that is very critical. The point many | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
will make here, about the argument expressed by the local government | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
Association, is really that it is comparing apples with pairs when it | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
comes to cancel funding. It does not pay for councils in Scotland | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
directly. It gives the Scottish Government it's blocked Grant. It | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
gives roughly a third of that money to councils. If they wanted, they | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
could give councils far more or buy cancels a bag of sweets and give | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
them twopence Hateley with a bit left over. This is outdated. It was | :08:29. | :08:44. | |
set up in the late 1970s. Surely, it is not applicable now? It has been a | :08:45. | :08:52. | |
feature of public life in Scotland since Andrew was an economist. I | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
would have been seven at the time of the referendum. It does go back to | :08:58. | :09:08. | |
the crux of the debate about Scottish independence. Nationalists | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
would argue the formula is outdated and Scotland puts more into the UK | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
Treasury than it gets back. That is why they want complete fiscal | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
autonomy for Scotland. Many within the Unionist ham are open to the | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
argument of whether or not Scotland deserves a greater degree of fiscal | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
autonomy and that the block grant should be cut as a result of that. | :09:30. | :09:39. | |
We are joined by Merrick, chairman of the local government | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
Association. Welcome. What do you say to our young friends in | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
Scotland? You get your money from the London government. Scottish | :09:51. | :09:53. | |
local authorities get their money from the Scottish Government. So, | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
the amount they get is up to the Scottish Government. The amount you | :09:58. | :10:00. | |
get is up to the London government. Why are you comparing it. It is the | :10:01. | :10:08. | |
formula with which it is done. We were still in a period when you | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
could take ?50 away for your summer holiday. This is 1979. It was | :10:13. | :10:19. | |
created to deal with the upcoming 79 referendum, which we know the result | :10:20. | :10:25. | |
of that it was a different time, before Scotland had tax-raising | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
powers. Now Wales is being offered a referendum for tax-raising powers. | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
It was simply block grant between various parts of the UK. It is not | :10:33. | :10:40. | |
the formula that determines how much the local councils get in Scotland, | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
it is the Scottish Government that determines that. Just as it is the | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
London government that determines how much you get. If you want more | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
money, surely it is the London government you should be lobbying. | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
There was not a Scottish government when the formula was created. The | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
formula was running. They must decide how the money is divvied up | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
in Scotland. What is wrong with that? The formula was a temporary | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
measure. We need a different way of funding public services. Scotland | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
will decide. Our point is that England, the cities of England, the | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
regions of England, also should be funded in a different way. We're not | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
trying to take money from Scotland or Northern Ireland Wales. We are | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
trying to say there should be equity. From 1979 until 2010, | :11:28. | :11:36. | |
actually most of that time public expenditure was going up into local | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
communities. We are in a different world. There is less money for us | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
all. We need equity in the wake it is spent. This is a bizarre time to | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
raise this. If Scotland votes for independence, it becomes irrelevant. | :11:49. | :11:57. | |
If they get independence, everything is over. If it votes to stay in, | :11:58. | :12:00. | |
there will need to be discussion on the terms with which Scotland stays | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
in. It would be relevant to raise this in the formula. We're making a | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
long-term case with actually the next government about how funding is | :12:13. | :12:20. | |
done. No one will listen to you. They will not listen to you. Someone | :12:21. | :12:27. | |
is listening to us. Others are listening in to your programmes and | :12:28. | :12:32. | |
other programmes. These are important matters. It is to do with | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
the way English regions and cities are funded. It is to be equitable | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
with the rest of the union. There has not been much debate about | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
Scotland and the referendum happening. I agree with that. I must | :12:43. | :12:54. | |
try to put that right at stage. The LGA is not without political | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
sophistication. The mainstream party that wants to save the union, and | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
that is Labour, Conservative Lib Dems, is going to come up with a | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
formula this side of the referendum that clearly means the Scottish | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
Government will get less money. Maybe they should. Maybe they should | :13:12. | :13:18. | |
not. It not happen. Ella Awe are talking about after the next | :13:19. | :13:28. | |
election. If that is the debate... The debate has already shifted by | :13:29. | :13:34. | |
the move in Wales. We are saying that parts of England, the cities | :13:35. | :13:37. | |
and regions of England, should be treated in the same way. A lot of | :13:38. | :13:44. | |
people get this wrong. One of the people who knew Joel Barnett, it is | :13:45. | :13:52. | |
not based on need, is it? It is based on the population and | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
expenditure pre-1979. That is still being retained all the way through | :13:58. | :14:08. | |
till today. I would never turn against the new formula. Every | :14:09. | :14:15. | |
councillors facing budget cuts. Liverpool has had to save ?156 | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
billion next few years. It is said to figure to say. With every model | :14:22. | :14:27. | |
is likely to be affected. Everyone should have a try themselves at | :14:28. | :14:33. | |
balancing the books. We report on how an app, which lets people have a | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
go at setting their own council budgets, is catching on. Elaine is a | :14:38. | :14:45. | |
tour guide. Matthew has just opened a salad bar. You know what you have | :14:46. | :14:54. | |
two do. Balance the books. They can access every government department | :14:55. | :14:57. | |
and make cuts. It shows what the cuts will do. In terms of service is | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
lost and the bottom line. I have started by trying to be fair. I have | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
put 10% of every service. We are still over budget. Where did you | :15:10. | :15:18. | |
make the cuts? The library. Libraries can go? Libraries do not | :15:19. | :15:26. | |
cost lives. Why are you shaking your head? I know the impact tourism has | :15:27. | :15:35. | |
on the city. I believe in privatisation, if that is a | :15:36. | :15:44. | |
possibility. Does it make a big impact on the bottom line? Name. For | :15:45. | :15:51. | |
the team, it is a game. For this man, it is a reality. Do you think | :15:52. | :15:58. | |
Joan has been soft in any areas? Could he be more tough? I totally | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
agree with foul. I have tried really hard to come in on budget. I could | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
not do it. It is so difficult. How much does it cost? Probably ?5,000. | :16:11. | :16:18. | |
The reality is people of our city actually understand why we are doing | :16:19. | :16:24. | |
things and get away from the dependency that the council can do | :16:25. | :16:31. | |
things. Everything could disappear altogether. We aren't joined by the | :16:32. | :16:42. | |
Mayor and Mary from the local government Association. You are | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
directly elected, I think I am right in saying. What have people come up | :16:47. | :16:54. | |
with from this app? Other than agreeing with you about how | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
difficult the job is. It is a serious app. It is a serious | :17:01. | :17:03. | |
approach to try to engage with people and and indicate the | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
seriousness of the problem and the financial indications they face. | :17:08. | :17:14. | |
Around 4800 people participated in trying to use the simulator. There | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
are probably about 1200 people who have managed to see it through to | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
the end. A lot of people have given up. It is a serious issue for us to | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
try to engage with the public and see if we can talk to them about the | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
challenges that we face and work with them to look at what services | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
we should provide. We know, with funding cuts, that local | :17:37. | :17:39. | |
authorities, certainly Liverpool, will not be able to do things we | :17:40. | :17:48. | |
would like to do. Has anything come out of this process that you had not | :17:49. | :17:55. | |
thought of? We have not looked in detail at the suggestions. Matthew | :17:56. | :17:58. | |
looked at the private sector. We are looking at working with the private | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
sector, for instance. One of our golf courses is being subsidised by | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
the taxpayers. We have put that into the private sector and we will end | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
up saving or making around ?60,000. We are working with the private | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
sector, we are going to have to become more of a Commissioner of | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
services rather than a provider of services. There will be a situation | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
where there will be huge reduction in our library services. That is the | :18:25. | :18:31. | |
point about what Merrick was talking about the Barnett formula. It is | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
linked to our local authority funding. My argument is the | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
politicians on both sides should be honest about addressing the Barnett | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
formula and looking at the way is distributed. I also think the UK | :18:48. | :18:50. | |
government should look at how the funding that we do have is also | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
funded. Liverpool is not a deficit denier. We accept that there has to | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
be things changed. What we are saying is why is it for instance | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
that Liverpool is worse off than southern cities? I was in London | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
yesterday at Downing Street promoting the International Festival | :19:11. | :19:13. | |
of business which is taking place in Liverpool. Believe you me, in | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
comparison with Liverpool and other northern cities, there is no | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
recession in London. Thank you. We should keep in touch with you, this | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
is an interesting experiment you are involved in and clearly being forced | :19:27. | :19:29. | |
to make these cuts will change the nature of local government in | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
Liverpool. We do not get out and about enough soap leaves keep in | :19:33. | :19:41. | |
touch. OK, Andrew. I'm supposed to be a cross-party chairman of the | :19:42. | :19:49. | |
LGA. How was that working? Not bad. Kensington and Chelsea would come at | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
one with Liverpool in this matter? The same pressures are across the | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
country. When you are directly elected mayor you speak for yourself | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
and not just for the party who got you elected. Thank you. | :20:06. | :20:12. | |
Grotesque monsters looking to suck the life out of humanity and insane | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
warmongers trying to take over the world. We are not talking about | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
Andrew or the House of Commons but that iconic series Doctor Who, which | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
is celebrating its 50th anniversary which you might have noticed. This | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
is one Downing Street briefing which went wrong. There is flash | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
photography. You may want to hide behind the sofa. | :20:37. | :20:52. | |
Very attractive. You can come out now. Joining us from Nottingham is | :20:53. | :21:31. | |
another doctor, Doctor Mike mash -- Doctor Matthew Ashton. Matthew | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
Ashton, tell us about the political elements of Doctor Who. I think it | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
has always been political. Like every good science fiction book of | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
film it reflects contemporary issues. Firstly there is a level for | :21:49. | :21:54. | |
kids to understand with monsters and adventures but then more jokes and | :21:55. | :22:03. | |
satire for the grown-ups. There were stories about the miners strike, | :22:04. | :22:15. | |
feminism and other issues. It has never been party political but it | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
has always explored politics. In the 1970s there were two episodes which | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
explored entering the EEC and another one explored the miners | :22:28. | :22:31. | |
strike. Recently there have been aliens in Downing Street so there is | :22:32. | :22:37. | |
something for political anoraks. I clearly have not watched it closely | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
enough. You mentioned that monster. He does not look scary. This was | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
dealing with a small planet being taken into a federation at the time | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
of the UK joining the EEC. Do you think there was a parallel? There | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
clearly was. The producers thought they would inject some of this into | :22:58. | :23:04. | |
Doctor Who and make it relevant. Matthew, what about the Dalek | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
invasion of Earth. That is a familiar shot, not the Daleks but | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
the house of parliament. That was a contemporary science fiction idea | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
about what if the war. Often the Daleks have been used as metaphors | :23:22. | :23:29. | |
for Nazis. They are always talking about ethical purity. What about the | :23:30. | :23:41. | |
Green Death? That was an episode going back a little bit. It is an | :23:42. | :23:48. | |
iconic episode, partly because of those maggots which were made out of | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
condom is. They were extremely scary. They were not always about | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
environmental issues, it was the time that a corporate company became | :23:58. | :24:03. | |
the big baddie. It was about how corporations manipulate communities. | :24:04. | :24:08. | |
What do you think it says about society, Doctor Who? I think it | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
reflects issues in society. In the 1970s questions were asked in | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
Parliament about whether it was too violent or scary to stop then in the | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
80s Doctor Who did episodes about that, what if people watched violent | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
TV, would it lead to revolution. I have watched it with my children and | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
it is quite dark. Nicola, were you a fan of it? I have not watched it for | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
25 years. When I was younger I did not pick up on the political stuff | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
behind-the-scenes. That is because Matthew said it works both those | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
levels. Do you think it will sustain in the future? It will because it | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
talks about issues which people are interested in. Your favourite Doctor | :24:54. | :25:00. | |
Who? Map Smith, actually. Thank you very much, Matthew Ashton in | :25:01. | :25:07. | |
Nottingham. I saw the first episode of Doctor Who and it didn't have a | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
negative affect on me, didn't have a negative effect on me, didn't have a | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
negative affect my cred before we go, what worthy cuff links that | :25:17. | :25:23. | |
David Cameron wore? They were Kiwi cuff links because he made a bet | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
with the New Zealand Prime Minister and the all Blacks beat them in | :25:28. | :25:28. | |
rugby. That is and the all Blacks beat them in | :25:29. | :25:35. | |
rugby. That is it for today. The BBC News is starting on BBC One. I will | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
be back tonight and we will have Delia Smith on baking, Jon Snow on | :25:41. | :25:47. | |
cycling, Kevin Maguire, and somebody called Portillo. I cannot | :25:48. | :25:48. |