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The Co-op scandal takes another twist. Paul Flowers is arrested in | :00:52. | :00:57. | |
connection with the drug supply investigation. We will discuss the | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
continuing political fallout. He once hugged the Huskies and said, | :01:02. | :01:08. | |
vote blue, go green. Now he wants to roll back on the green stuff. Is | :01:09. | :01:14. | |
David Cameron 's modernising agenda as dead as a parrot? We go | :01:15. | :01:21. | |
behind-the-scenes of return 's newest local TV channel. It is in | :01:22. | :01:31. | |
Grimsby. -- Britain 's newest local TV channel. And we discuss the | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
legacy of John F. Kennedy, who was assassinated in Dallas, 50 years ago | :01:38. | :01:38. | |
today. They always ask, can you remember | :01:39. | :01:50. | |
where you were when the news of the death of Kennedy came through 50 | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
years ago today? I can. All that is coming up in the next hour, as well | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
as our regular look at the latest political news from 12:30pm. With | :02:01. | :02:06. | |
us, the political columnist from the Times. Let's start with the news | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
that the former chairman of the Co-op bank, Paul Flowers, has been | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
arrested in Merseyside in connection with the drug supply investigation. | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
He was filmed by the mail on Sunday which said he was handing over money | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
for cocaine and discussing buying other hard, illegal drugs, -- drugs. | :02:24. | :02:35. | |
Last night, the BBC also revealed that he had resigned from the Co-op | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
group in June because of concerns about his lavish expense claims. | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
Separately, he was also forced out, we are told, because the banking arm | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
thought they had doubts about his competency for the job. These | :02:50. | :02:55. | |
expense claims at the bank followed huge expense claims at a charity he | :02:56. | :03:04. | |
worked for as well. The Times has splashed on this as well. The | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
headline, Labour engulfed by Co-op scandal. Although the Conservatives | :03:10. | :03:16. | |
have been dragged into this a bit as well, because of the historic ties | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
between Labour and the Co-op in between Co-op people and Labour | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
people, it is Labour in the front line, isn't it? The Co-op was | :03:26. | :03:32. | |
cuddly, touchy, Feely and an ethical bank. It is supposed to be less | :03:33. | :03:38. | |
cut-throat and the nice bank. All the politicians on all sides wanted | :03:39. | :03:45. | |
to cosy up a bit. Ed Balls facilitated the Britannia deal. | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
George Osborne also was keen to help the Co-op get a deal with Lloyds. | :03:49. | :03:55. | |
And to get the 600 odd Lloyds branches to become Co-op branches. | :03:56. | :04:02. | |
It was a way to get banks out of the banking crisis. We do not deal with | :04:03. | :04:10. | |
evil bloodsuckers. Exactly. It seems there was an issue of competence at | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
the top of the Co-op. It was both ethical issues for individuals but | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
also management questions about how these appointments were made. It is | :04:21. | :04:27. | |
interesting, you had Labour, Conservative, Lib Dems, all in | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
favour of this super mutual. They were all doing what they could. | :04:34. | :04:43. | |
George of -- George Osborne went out of his way. None of them asks | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
themselves any of the really hard questions about, is this bank | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
competent enough? What if the chairman like? Does he have banking | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
experience? Is the balance sheet strong enough to do this? I think | :05:01. | :05:08. | |
there is a danger, if there is too much mudslinging on either side. If | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
the Tories tried to pin too much blame on labour, it will backfire. | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
There are not really party political points to be scored too much on | :05:18. | :05:23. | |
this. At the moment, the line of the Conservatives is to smear by | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
association. What they have not yet got is the smoking gun. Or the | :05:28. | :05:34. | |
smouldering e-mail. These are the smoking guns of the 21st-century. | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
What they really need to make their case stick is showing some e-mail - | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
some form of correspondence that that shows that Mr Flowers, Ed Balls | :05:45. | :05:52. | |
or Ed Miliband - were actually in cahoots over something. No knowledge | :05:53. | :06:00. | |
of how he resigned as a counsellor. There is a lack of clear evidence. | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
We would like to know what Reverend Flowers said to Ed Miliband. | :06:07. | :06:13. | |
Exactly. Another question about the laid-back in a funding crisis with | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
the falling out of the unions and the co-operative bank. They have a | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
big overdraft. There are wider questions about that. In the end, | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
the voters think, these are all politicians smearing each other and | :06:27. | :06:35. | |
they are all the same. It does combine the Watergate question for | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
Labour. What did you know and when did you know it? That has not stuck | :06:40. | :06:48. | |
yet. I do not think it has. What comes to mind with the Conservative | :06:49. | :06:57. | |
Party bastion of it is all kicking off with MPs squaring up to each | :06:58. | :07:11. | |
other. -- Conservative Party? It is said the Tories should revive the | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
National Liberal party and encourage sitting MPs to sign up. It is about | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
attracting liberal minded voters before the next election. Greg | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
Barker and Nick Hurd have said he was right to ask tough questions. | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
Other Tory MPs are fighting back. Stuart Jackson said, it is about the | :07:31. | :07:48. | |
tribe. Peter bone oppose the idea of a second party, endorsing | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
Conservative candidates, so he can stand on the joint UKIP Tory ticket. | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
Not very useful. How well David Cameron break up the fight? The | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
Prime Minister is siding with antimodern eyes is at this stage. He | :08:02. | :08:08. | |
might have one time said, vote blue and go green. He did say that. A | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
senior Tory source has told the paper is David Cameron wants to cut | :08:14. | :08:23. | |
the green crap. Which approach with win the Tories more seats in 2015? I | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
am joined by the director of the think tank, bright blue. And by a | :08:29. | :08:46. | |
UKIP supporter. It is a long way to go. Ryan, I guess you agree with | :08:47. | :08:53. | |
Nick Bowles. This is an impression that modernisers are somehow | :08:54. | :08:55. | |
obsessed with gay marriage and huskies. -- Nick Boles. Nick Boles | :08:56. | :09:04. | |
will say yes, let's have a tough line on immigration and a referendum | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
on the EU. A lot of people out there are sceptical. Younger voters and | :09:10. | :09:12. | |
people outside the southern heartlands. Ethnic minority voters. | :09:13. | :09:19. | |
We need something for them. Things like international develop and gay | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
marriage. This can be very appealing to voters. Let's have a broad offer. | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
It is trying to strengthen conservatism. Nick Boles reminds me | :09:29. | :09:37. | |
of a trendy new vicar. He strips out all the pews and puts in rave drapes | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
on the walls and holds raves in the names. He wonders why, despite the | :09:44. | :09:51. | |
best efforts, young people hate the church. They have jettisoned all the | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
old principles and all the things that might have made them | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
worthwhile. That is a good analogy, I think. We were just let that hang | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
on the wall. What is the answer to this point? Nick Boles said that the | :10:06. | :10:12. | |
Conservative Party is thought of by the Young as the party of the rich. | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
He seems to think this is a presentational problem. It is about | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
be our team. As it stands, it is the party of the rich. Nick Boles is | :10:23. | :10:37. | |
very much part of this... He is certainly a minor aristocrat. | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
Nothing is worse in Britain than being called a minor aristocrat. Try | :10:42. | :10:53. | |
and convince me, have a go. It is not about abandoning conservatism. | :10:54. | :10:56. | |
The problem with the Tory party is there is a perception they are not | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
in touch with the modern world and they do not stand for people on low | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
and middle incomes. We need policies which address that. It is not | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
abandoning Conservative policies. Gay marriage is applying very | :11:10. | :11:12. | |
special Conservative institution to the issue of gay rights. On helping | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
the low paid, the biggest policy has been raising the personal tax | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
allowance. This is what modernisers support. You care strongly about gay | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
marriage. Young people really do not give a toss about that kind of | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
thing. They care about jobs, earning a living and having a future. All of | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
this is being denied them either current modernising policy of money | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
printing. That is a real issue, rather than a fake issue. No one | :11:43. | :11:50. | |
cares about gay marriage. Young people do not understand why people | :11:51. | :11:59. | |
were opposed to it in the past. If we have taken it in our stride as a | :12:00. | :12:06. | |
society, why make it an issue? Young people wonder why they were not | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
allowed to marry. There is support across the country, overwhelming | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
support. Nick Boles is so wrong. The Tories | :12:15. | :12:36. | |
need to realise they have not won an election at right since 1992. The | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
modernising in the last election was slightly fudged, I think. It got | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
confused. If they do become the party of the rich, then they will | :12:48. | :12:54. | |
never win. They are the party of the oligarchs. The party of people are | :12:55. | :13:06. | |
people whose houses have been inflated by all of this. -- the | :13:07. | :13:13. | |
party of the people whose houses have been inflated. They needed to | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
have done a lot more to counterbalance it and they have. Is | :13:18. | :13:26. | |
it time to cut green levies? Not all modernisers are from the rich. There | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
is a whole range of people - people like Robert Halfon, from different | :13:32. | :13:34. | |
backgrounds and standing for different things. Modernisation is | :13:35. | :13:43. | |
also about beating this image of it being the party of the rich. That is | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
a classic lower middle-class Tory issue. Should green levies be cut? | :13:49. | :13:56. | |
On the green levies, there is all this talk about the dropping of the | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
green agenda. Lots of things are being done. There is the renewable | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
heat incentive and nuclear power station for the first time since the | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
mid-90s. There is the Green Deal and the green investment bank. Lots is | :14:10. | :14:18. | |
going on. Do not start out as a politician not answering the | :14:19. | :14:21. | |
question because you grow into it anyway. Should the green levies be | :14:22. | :14:27. | |
cut? There is a cost of living crisis and people are feeling the | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
squeeze. It is right the government should be looking at how you should | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
support people on very low incomes with bills. They are looking at | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
other ways to support green energy. They are looking at maybe putting it | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
into general taxation. There are alternative ways to do this. It is | :14:45. | :14:47. | |
the case that renewable energy should be supported. Do it in a way | :14:48. | :14:54. | |
that is fair and make sense. You are sounding like a member of the Tory | :14:55. | :15:00. | |
Cabinet. Of course the green levies should be cut. That is one of the | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
main reasons why we are having this cost of living crisis. Energy bills | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
are being inflated by lunatic green policies which have been endorsed by | :15:11. | :15:17. | |
David Cameron, in succession to Ed Miliband. The reason we should be | :15:18. | :15:27. | |
doing this is there is no issue. Why vote for someone where they all have | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
the same problem? It may be right or wrong in terms of substance but is | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
it not quite clear in the Tory leadership, as they look back at | :15:37. | :15:43. | |
2010 and say they fought modernising agenda and did not win the election, | :15:44. | :15:47. | |
which they hate people to point out, and they are moving towards what you | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
would call the right. They are moving towards traditional routes | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
because their polling suggests that is the way to get more votes. | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
Successive Tory leaders tried that strategy and it hasn't worked. David | :16:01. | :16:06. | |
Cameron's authentic message was that he was going to be a different kind | :16:07. | :16:09. | |
of Conservative. He was going to appeal to a wider range of people... | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
It was all PR driven, wasn't it? You question whether what kind of a | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
leader is he? There is a lack of authenticity about where he is going | :16:20. | :16:28. | |
now. He vote for Ed Miliband's climate change? Exactly. He is | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
riding with huskies. If his attitude and the Tory Party's | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
is on the defensive, w don't you join the Tories and drag them your | :16:40. | :16:46. | |
way? I like to think of UKIP as the equivalent of the Tea Party. It is | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
the conscience of the Conservative Party. It is like the Tory Party in | :16:51. | :16:57. | |
exile and its job is to remind the Tory Party that there is this | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
massive constituency of voters who would like lower taxes and less | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
regulation and smaller energy bills. The Republicans winning in Florida | :17:06. | :17:11. | |
and the Republicans won in New Jersey? It is not the pertected | :17:12. | :17:19. | |
model -- perfect model. All parties are coalitions and you are only | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
going to win if you are coalition to more of the centre and if you become | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
a coalition to the right, they will not win. So far they have not won | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
anything they have done. You two go and have a chat! I can see a meeting | :17:34. | :17:41. | |
of minds at some stage. I can convince them. When his frontal | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
lobes develop. Thanks. Next week the first of a new | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
breed of local TV stations starts broadcasting in Grimsby. Funded by | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
advertising, sponsorship and a commercial agreement with the BBC, | :17:56. | :17:58. | |
the new channels will feature local news, sport, culture and, | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
entertainment and they will be available on Freeview Channel A. | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
That's a good position to be on on the electronic programme guide. The | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
new stations were dreamt up by Jeremy Hunt because he is with the | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
NHS. He saw them as a way of strengthening local democracy. Was | :18:17. | :18:23. | |
he right? Giles has been to Grimsby for a look behind the scenes of | :18:24. | :18:30. | |
Estuary TV. Behind all the glitz and fanfare, in | :18:31. | :18:37. | |
an office in Grimsby institute, the town's university, three staff at | :18:38. | :18:40. | |
Estuary TV that launches next Tuesday, the first of a new batch of | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
licensed stations delivering the Government's local TV policy putting | :18:46. | :18:52. | |
the final touches to their programmes and promos forhe viewers. | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
Wow, excited. I know! I should think so too. | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
Excited they are and if why is daunted, there is eight full-time | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
staff, but one suspects an anticipated and very needed army of | :19:05. | :19:11. | |
volunteers. There is a busy schedule to fill. They will offer news, | :19:12. | :19:18. | |
sport, culture and politics in a non for profit community station for the | :19:19. | :19:24. | |
Humber region. But this kind of US-style local TV is an idea that's | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
been tried before in the UK and failed. Why might it be different | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
this time? There will be interaction in terms of people working for the | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
station, people volunteering to make programmes, but young people coming | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
here to train and learn their craft. It is important to stress that, you | :19:41. | :19:43. | |
know, we can't be complacent. We really want to give local TV a great | :19:44. | :19:49. | |
launch, and a following wind, but it is important everyone involved in | :19:50. | :19:52. | |
local television works hard to make it happen. | :19:53. | :19:55. | |
That's it from Estuary TV news. Join us again tomorrow evening at 5.40pm. | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
Until then, from all of us, goodbye. So that's the programme that goes | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
out every day, clearly you think there is a market for this? I think | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
there is a market. For instance, through our Facebook page we had a | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
local school group say we are celebrating tenth birthday. Come and | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
film us. It was the first request, we have been along, but to turn it | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
on its head, we gave the camera to the children. We let them film and | :20:22. | :20:27. | |
do the interviews. There is that level of it is not waving | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
camcorder-style. What do you like doing out of school? I like really | :20:32. | :20:41. | |
playing. We have put it together as one of the first packages to go out. | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
Things like that make us a bit different. And we're watching | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
Estuary TV. Believe me, the peculiarities of | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
doing a television report about the launch of a television station are | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
not lost on me, but television is changing. What people watch, who is | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
watching it and how they watch it is changing out of all proportion and | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
maybe that's why the Government thought it was time to have another | :21:09. | :21:11. | |
go at this local TV idea where it failed in the past and you get the | :21:12. | :21:14. | |
sense that people doing it think it is a good time. They know it will be | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
hard work. They know there is no guarantees of success, but it is not | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
inevitable that they will fail. We are joined by Ed Hall, the Chief | :21:22. | :21:36. | |
Executive of Comux. They are the company responsible for the | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
infrastructure which will beam the new TV channels to your homes. | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
Welcome. Thank you. How do you pronounce it? Comux. As | :21:46. | :21:54. | |
in multiplex. I understand you have admitted that many examples over the | :21:55. | :21:57. | |
last 20 years have shown the business model for local TV didn't | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
stack up. Why is this different? It is dramatically different. These | :22:03. | :22:09. | |
channels are going to appear on Channel eight on Freeview. In the | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
past, they were in very difficult places to find. So most TVs didn't | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
pick them up and they were difficult to measure. So one station here, one | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
station there, they didn't have an awed cens that was measured that | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
they could sell. This time, 12 million, more than 12 million homes | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
will have a new channel eight. You have created a commodity that can be | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
sold properly. Are they only on for a couple of | :22:35. | :22:44. | |
hours a day? You have various plans. Will they need to be advertising | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
funded? They are advertiser funded. They have relaxations from Ofcom. | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
The BBC has been forced, I think, to chip in ?40 million, isn't it? The | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
BBC has enjoyed investing in local Television. Really? Who are you | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
speaking to at the BBC? The BBC Trust. There is a warm | :23:03. | :23:08. | |
relationship... Ah, the Trust. A warm relationship? You were talking | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
about Estuary TV. There are people that worked in that newsroom, that | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
are already working and have been working for the BBC for a loum. | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
There are established relationships. Presumably the ads that the stations | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
will go for will be different from the ads that will run on ITV or Sky | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
or Channel 4? I mean, that will be up to the local stations to decide. | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
They would be very local, would they? We can see people talking | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
about local advertising, but also they are effectively a national | :23:42. | :23:44. | |
network as well. So they will benefit from that too. What do you | :23:45. | :23:50. | |
think of this, Rachel? I am sceptical that it will transform | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
local democracy. The biggest threat, you will get ended free sheets from | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
the council. I am not sure this is the solution. People sort of in the | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
Twitter ageks social media, is a much more gal tarian way of people | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
communicating with each other locally. It seems a bit artificial | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
to create the stations. I have not heard anyone stay that the launch of | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
a local television will be a sudden earthquake in local democracy, we | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
are talking about 19 new newsrooms up and down the country with new | :24:27. | :24:32. | |
journalists. As of today, there are hundreds of Andrew Neils applying | :24:33. | :24:40. | |
for jobs! The viewers have just gone... That's the generation. We | :24:41. | :24:46. | |
are a generation. We started our careers in local radio, or local | :24:47. | :24:53. | |
newspapers and that's dried up and this opens that up. These newsrooms | :24:54. | :25:01. | |
aren't going to be full of Oxbridge graduates and these will be demock | :25:02. | :25:21. | |
ra ra tising. John F Kennedy was assassinated 50 | :25:22. | :25:30. | |
years ago at 12. 30 local time. What is the Kennedy legacy? Did he change | :25:31. | :25:37. | |
things? Can any of today's politicians hold such an iconic role | :25:38. | :25:43. | |
in the world? Here is look back on the presidency like no other. | :25:44. | :25:54. | |
Ask not what your country can do for you, can what you can do for your | :25:55. | :26:07. | |
country. # I heard there was a secret call # | :26:08. | :26:10. | |
We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things. Not | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
because they are easy, but because they are hard. | :26:15. | :26:28. | |
NEWSREEL: Within the past week, unmistakable evidence established | :26:29. | :26:36. | |
the fact that a series of offensive sites is now in preparation on that | :26:37. | :26:49. | |
imprisoned island. Today, in the world of freedom, the | :26:50. | :27:03. | |
proudest boost is... Mrs Kennedy is presented with a bouquet of red | :27:04. | :27:12. | |
roses. The streets are lined with spectators waiting for their chance | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
to see the president. It appears as if something happened in the | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
motorcade group. I repeat, something has happened in the motorcade group. | :27:22. | :27:31. | |
The President was hit in the head. That's an unconfirmed report that | :27:32. | :27:40. | |
the president was hit in the head. From Dallas Texas, the flash | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
apparently official, President Kennedy died at 1pm Central Standard | :27:46. | :27:55. | |
Time. 2pm Eastern Standard Time, some 38 memberships ago. | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
-- minutes ago. And the last image of these power | :28:00. | :28:21. | |
pictures was the President's young son saluting his father's coffin. | :28:22. | :28:38. | |
Welcome to both of you. Aren't these pictures incredibly powerful. I | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
remember the day myself when it came through and it was early evening | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
news on the BBC at the time. If one wants to cut away from the emotion | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
though and 50 years later, the reason we are talking about him | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
today is because he died when he did. Yes. If he had survived his | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
presidency was in trouble. It wasn't sure he was going to be re-elected | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
and most of the 21 major Bills he was trying to get through Congress | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
were getting nowhere? That's right and his untimely death puts him | :29:08. | :29:13. | |
outside history doesn't it? You can ask yourself of Tony Blair if he | :29:14. | :29:17. | |
died two years in, what would we be saying about him now? I don't think | :29:18. | :29:22. | |
it is just that. I think he was a brilliant speech maker who spoke for | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
a whole nation and he did capture, he had had that sense of a new | :29:28. | :29:34. | |
generation and we didn't have time to be disappointed in him, but he | :29:35. | :29:37. | |
did capture something important about that particular time in | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
history. We didn't have time to be dus appointed in him, but also, | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
unlike today, we didn't know everything about him? That's right. | :29:47. | :29:51. | |
We didn't write about his father being a bootlegger. We the didn't | :29:52. | :29:58. | |
know he was a serial philanderer and all that would have come out today? | :29:59. | :30:02. | |
That's right. The important thing about JFK was the new generation. I | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
did a bit of homework as you can imagine here facing you! It is | :30:08. | :30:13. | |
always a good idea? He was the first American president to be born in the | :30:14. | :30:20. | |
20th century. Y.. A post-war generation? For various reasons | :30:21. | :30:25. | |
apart for his personal charisma, he would be remembered and he did | :30:26. | :30:28. | |
inspire people with a fresh sense of optimism when he became president in | :30:29. | :30:42. | |
1960. The terrible pain is that it was his death, and particularly the | :30:43. | :30:48. | |
manner of his death, that unleashed all lease changes which allowed | :30:49. | :30:50. | |
President Johnson to get the civil rights bills through, the tax | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
cutting bills, to begin the big society. Kennedy had wanted to do a | :30:56. | :31:02. | |
fair bit of that but Johnson went much further. That is a very good | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
point. We will never know what would have happened. The point raised by | :31:07. | :31:14. | |
Kwasi Kwarteng is very important. He had a real experience of the war and | :31:15. | :31:19. | |
a horror of war. He talked about the tyranny of struggle against disease | :31:20. | :31:26. | |
and war. The career politician of today does not quite have the | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
real-life career behind them. He was a great friend of Britain. He had a | :31:32. | :31:37. | |
very anti-British, Irish father, who had actually told Roosevelt, they | :31:38. | :31:45. | |
get Britain. JFK was very pro-this country. It is good to contrast him | :31:46. | :31:55. | |
with his father. Somehow he managed to project a kind of innocence, if | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
you like. We know that his private life was chequered and all the rest | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
of it. He projected an optimism and innocence. He was a great friend of | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
Britain. We saw clips of him in Germany. He was a Cold War warrior. | :32:11. | :32:19. | |
He touched people beyond America. Don't you think it is that which | :32:20. | :32:25. | |
politicians now can learn from? There is a danger in going down the | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
route of fear and smear is we were talking about earlier. That was | :32:30. | :32:40. | |
President Obama. He got a second term. Absolutely. I think if JFK had | :32:41. | :32:47. | |
a second term, I think he would have got into a lot of the difficulties | :32:48. | :32:56. | |
that Obama hands. He was always a little bit equivocal on civil | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
rights. He needed the Southern Democrats. We would have seen how | :33:01. | :33:08. | |
far he would have gone. Where he was not equivocal was on the subject of | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
Cold War. He believed it could be contained. The Cuban missile crisis, | :33:13. | :33:17. | |
the days of lonely struggle with his brother against military advisers, | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
that was his seminal moment. It was important. It changed the view of | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
the world. This was a global issue. Actually, the legacy of that in | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
terms of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, that was huge. People seem | :33:32. | :33:41. | |
to forget he fought the 1960 election against Mr Nixon. He said | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
there was a missile gap and America had to build more missiles. Turns | :33:47. | :33:54. | |
out he was totally wrong. The one thing that comes through is the | :33:55. | :33:58. | |
eloquence of the man, the authority of the man. Even when you know | :33:59. | :34:02. | |
everything, it is hard to stop thinking, that is a decent person. | :34:03. | :34:08. | |
Politics is about leadership and charisma. I go back to the point I | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
was making. If it gets down to the lowest common denominator smear and | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
counterclaim, everyone gets buried in the jungle. The leaders who win | :34:18. | :34:24. | |
rise above it. They are authentic. We are going to have to leave it | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
there. I could talk with you for the next three hours. We might still | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
have some viewers if we did. Coming up... A regular look at what has | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
been going on in the European arena. Now it is time to say goodbye to my | :34:39. | :34:44. | |
guest of the day, Rachel is a vest. We are going to be focusing on | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
Europe and discussing the EU budget and joining the European Union. Here | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
is our guide from the latest in Europe in just 60 seconds. EU | :34:54. | :35:01. | |
governments agreed to the European Commission plan to delay the auction | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
of the next round of permits for the emissions trading scheme. The aim is | :35:07. | :35:10. | |
to push up the price of the permit and encourage low carbon energy. | :35:11. | :35:15. | |
MEPs voted overwhelmingly for the European Parliament to be given the | :35:16. | :35:18. | |
right to decide where it is based. It is a victory for the single-seat | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
campaign, he wants to scrap the Strasbourg parliament and make | :35:24. | :35:26. | |
Brussels the official seat. The Spanish ambassador was summoned to | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
the Foreign Office to explain why a Spanish survey ship entered | :35:32. | :35:33. | |
territorial waters and defied orders to leave from the Royal Navy for 22 | :35:34. | :35:40. | |
hours. The European Parliament committee for economic and monetary | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
affairs backed a proposal to give every EU citizens the right to have | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
a basic bank account with a debit card. MEPs voted in favour of a new | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
40% target for the number of women on company boards. Backed by a | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
threat to dissolve companies that do not meet the quota. With us now for | :35:57. | :36:08. | |
the next 30 minutes, I am joined by Gerard Batten and the leader of the | :36:09. | :36:13. | |
Labour only members of the European Parliament. This is about 40% target | :36:14. | :36:27. | |
of number of women. Would it be compulsory for companies to have 40% | :36:28. | :36:33. | |
women? That is what the report said. However, we think legislation | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
should be the last resort. It is ridiculous that most companies do | :36:39. | :36:43. | |
not have enough women. 20% on the FTSE 100 companies have women on the | :36:44. | :36:46. | |
board. All the reports show that when women are on billboards, it | :36:47. | :36:52. | |
could be better. Do you think in the end it would have to be compulsory? | :36:53. | :36:59. | |
It does not work on a voluntary capacity. Putting aside the pros and | :37:00. | :37:07. | |
cons for doing this, what has it got to do with Europe? I thought you | :37:08. | :37:13. | |
might ask that. If this is about big companies and many of those big | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
companies have subsidiaries all over Europe... The boards are based in | :37:19. | :37:23. | |
London or Paris. It is a problem across Europe. I would prefer the | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
government to tackle this will stop if not, it has to be done at | :37:28. | :37:32. | |
European level. Women are fed up with it. I assume this is a red rag | :37:33. | :37:42. | |
to a bull. I had 30 years working in the commercial well before I was | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
elected to anything. I had women bosses. There was never a shortage | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
of women going in for positions and they got them on merit. Businesses | :37:52. | :37:57. | |
want to be successful. The reason why there are always women is | :37:58. | :38:03. | |
because they are too stupid? Maybe they are not applying for the jobs | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
for other reasons. If you are elevated to that position, it is | :38:08. | :38:11. | |
very long hours and very arduous and lots of men do not want to it. You | :38:12. | :38:20. | |
could argue for and against. It is interesting you said, I wish the | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
national government would do it. We elect that government and there is a | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
debate. If the government that we elect do not do it, we in Europe | :38:29. | :38:35. | |
will do it anyway. Something has to be done. Women are fed up. It is | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
difficult for UKIP to say they have no women any peas. Do they have | :38:40. | :38:53. | |
none? They have no women MEPs. We had two and they resigned. Godfrey | :38:54. | :39:08. | |
has a particular sense of humour. You must not take it too literally. | :39:09. | :39:14. | |
I am sure you met him. I realise I made a big mistake going there. Is | :39:15. | :39:23. | |
this going to happen? I do not think so. We are coming up to European | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
election and I do not think we are going to get that far. You also want | :39:29. | :39:33. | |
to impose Draconian measures. One of them is dissolving the company. This | :39:34. | :39:38. | |
is what the EU is good at, destroying jobs. It is about sending | :39:39. | :39:44. | |
a message to these companies. We will see what happens. Remember when | :39:45. | :39:48. | |
David Cameron wanted to force cuts on the European budget in February. | :39:49. | :39:53. | |
The Prime Minister said, the British public can be proud that we have cut | :39:54. | :40:00. | |
the seven-year credit card limit for the European Union for the first | :40:01. | :40:03. | |
time ever. It has taken a toll now. It will be finally ratified. Months | :40:04. | :40:15. | |
of hard bargaining ended. The seven-year budget has been | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
approved. It is a 3.5% cut in EU spending. The cuts particularly | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
affect EU spending on European polar regions. This is called cohesion. | :40:27. | :40:33. | |
Major transnational infrastructure projects, help for poorer regions | :40:34. | :40:36. | |
and agricultural subsidies remain the largest area of EU spending. The | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
budget is equivalent to 1% of the 28 member states gross national income. | :40:42. | :40:47. | |
The ratification of the budget has been welcomed by the chief | :40:48. | :40:50. | |
negotiator of the European Parliament. It has provided | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
stability within the EU. There seems to have been a certain amount of | :40:56. | :41:02. | |
fudge. As the European Parliament we accepted the level that the council | :41:03. | :41:06. | |
decided. Because that level is so long, longer than previous years, we | :41:07. | :41:13. | |
tried to make it more operational by introducing more flexibility and | :41:14. | :41:17. | |
introducing the possibility to have a revision in 2016 and by avoiding | :41:18. | :41:23. | |
some payment of the previous periods should be transferred to the next | :41:24. | :41:28. | |
period. We asked for more payment in 2013. That makes it the framework | :41:29. | :41:36. | |
notwithstanding it. It can work and can permit the European Union. | :41:37. | :41:49. | |
Earlier this week, this man was elected the leader in the European | :41:50. | :41:55. | |
Parliament. I was expecting you to congratulate me. I happy with the | :41:56. | :42:03. | |
3.5% cut? This is the first time ever we have seen a cut with the EU | :42:04. | :42:08. | |
budget overall. Both with the Parliament, the commission and | :42:09. | :42:12. | |
Parliament asking for an increase. The commission asked for a slight | :42:13. | :42:15. | |
increase and the Parliament a bigger one. What we have now done is set a | :42:16. | :42:21. | |
precedent. This is the first ever cut of an EU budget, whether it is | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
the seven-year budget for the annual budget. It is a great president. We | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
can carry it on to make sure we are spending money more effectively. Is | :42:32. | :42:38. | |
it a bit of a fudge? There is a revision clause which will mean a | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
review of the income resources in 2016. Could it be shut up there? The | :42:43. | :42:49. | |
Parliament can try, just as they tried today to allay the whole deal. | :42:50. | :42:59. | |
We know that. A group. That. Hasn't David Cameron done very well rested | :43:00. | :43:10. | |
Mark there is a slight decrease in the budget. -- done very well? There | :43:11. | :43:16. | |
is a slight decrease in the budget. Some other measures that were voted | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
on yesterday had, at current prices. As we go through the next seven | :43:22. | :43:25. | |
years, those prices will increase due to inflation so they will be | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
coming back and asking for more money. I think we should have done | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
more. I would like to see more taken from the CHP and put into | :43:35. | :43:53. | |
innovation. -- CAP. Tony Blair made an attempt to negotiate part of the | :43:54. | :44:10. | |
rebate in returned for -- in return for improved agricultural policy. It | :44:11. | :44:18. | |
failed. My understanding is it has also come down as a percentage of | :44:19. | :44:25. | |
overall EU spending. It has. It is only 1.5% of GDP and 40% of the | :44:26. | :44:31. | |
budget. It is ridiculous. We need to prioritise that. If we joined in | :44:32. | :44:40. | |
1957, this would not have happened. This is a whole other discussion. | :44:41. | :44:46. | |
Are you concerned that some of the poorer areas of the EU look like the | :44:47. | :44:52. | |
ones to take the brunt of the reduction? It is concerning. In | :44:53. | :44:58. | |
these to be fair and equitable. Some of the Portuguese say we do not | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
support them on this. I would like them to use that money in a | :45:03. | :45:08. | |
different way to make sure the country is growing. The funny thing | :45:09. | :45:12. | |
about the Common agricultural policy is it is not agreed a cross-party. | :45:13. | :45:21. | |
-- it is agreed across the parties. When Mr Cameron goes to Brussels, is | :45:22. | :45:30. | |
agricultural policy - is it one area he should aim to repatriate back to | :45:31. | :45:31. | |
Westminster? The Government is saying let's look | :45:32. | :45:41. | |
at these different areas, but there are many loud voices over here | :45:42. | :45:48. | |
saying we have to repatriate part of agriculture. What are you going to | :45:49. | :45:53. | |
do as leader now of this unruly mob? It is funny when you become a | :45:54. | :45:57. | |
leader, other leaders congratulated me and some said you will enjoy it | :45:58. | :46:00. | |
for a couple of days and then you have got to get on with the work and | :46:01. | :46:06. | |
enjoy the poisoned cal lass. What's the gsh What's the plan? People are | :46:07. | :46:18. | |
talking about EU immigration. And people are worried about welfare. | :46:19. | :46:22. | |
People are worried about it, but it doesn't mean there is anything you | :46:23. | :46:27. | |
can do? This is one of the things, can we be cleverer? You have to | :46:28. | :46:36. | |
protect your own national interests and you can't do this. We cannot | :46:37. | :46:42. | |
stop these people coming. A referendum has been promised. While | :46:43. | :46:46. | |
we are in the EU, you know, if you want to leave, what happens is we | :46:47. | :46:50. | |
have to say, what can we do while we are here now? The answer to that in | :46:51. | :46:54. | |
January next year, the Government and the Conservative Party can do | :46:55. | :46:58. | |
nothing about giving another 29 billion people the right to turn up. | :46:59. | :47:01. | |
That's what you are saying and that's true. This is why we have to | :47:02. | :47:08. | |
leave the European Union. Richard Ashworth was a europhile. How would | :47:09. | :47:14. | |
we classify you? You have to wait and see. People always try and | :47:15. | :47:23. | |
pigeon hole me. I would assume you are the one who knows best. How | :47:24. | :47:27. | |
would we classify you? I am sceptical of the current European | :47:28. | :47:31. | |
project. In 2005 when I was elected people talked about creating a | :47:32. | :47:34. | |
United States of Europe and it don't want to see that. If if there was no | :47:35. | :47:40. | |
renegotiation, if it was the choice between the status quo of our | :47:41. | :47:44. | |
membership now and getting out, how would you vote? If there was a | :47:45. | :47:47. | |
referendum tomorrow, no change. I would be tempted to vote to leave. | :47:48. | :47:54. | |
That's why I think we have renegotiate. How high would the | :47:55. | :48:00. | |
temptation be? Seven or eight. I would be tempted to vote. That's why | :48:01. | :48:04. | |
we need a renegotiation. No one is going to renegotiate. Mr | :48:05. | :48:16. | |
Barroso said it. Well, he won't be around. We can conclude he is not | :48:17. | :48:23. | |
Richard Ashworth? Absolutely. Perhaps the only thing more | :48:24. | :48:30. | |
frustrating been having your travel plans disrupted by an airline, when | :48:31. | :48:36. | |
it comes to the way airlines deal with delays or passengers who have | :48:37. | :48:43. | |
been bumped off because the flight as been overbooked. How will new | :48:44. | :49:00. | |
proposed plans come to pass? Personal story, I was flying back to | :49:01. | :49:05. | |
London from Amsterdam a few weeks ago with KLM, I was told my flight | :49:06. | :49:10. | |
was overbooked and I wouldn't be going anywhere until the following | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
morning. I wasn't best pleased, but when I went to the customer services | :49:15. | :49:18. | |
desk, there were passengers from all over Europe who were stuck. Every | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
flight you travel on is over booked and it is not an accident. It is the | :49:24. | :49:29. | |
company policy of almost every major European airline. Usually people | :49:30. | :49:33. | |
think it is a one off occurrence, it just happened. It is not. On | :49:34. | :49:37. | |
particularly on busy routes, you find it quite a bit. So for me, it | :49:38. | :49:43. | |
is a bigger problem than is admitted by the airlines and it is a bigger | :49:44. | :49:47. | |
problem than the travelling public understand. | :49:48. | :49:49. | |
It is not just over booking and it is not just KLM who declined to give | :49:50. | :49:56. | |
us an interview. Airline policies on delays, and cancellation are in the | :49:57. | :49:59. | |
sights of European Parliament and the commission. They are in the | :50:00. | :50:02. | |
process of strengthening EU regulation 261. It is supposed to | :50:03. | :50:06. | |
safeguard passengers' rights, about you Brian and his colleagues fear it | :50:07. | :50:12. | |
is barely worth the paper it is written on. The airlines have driven | :50:13. | :50:16. | |
a coach and horses through the legislation and the reason why we | :50:17. | :50:19. | |
are looking at the regulation again is because the regulation has been | :50:20. | :50:22. | |
abused by the airlines to the detriment of the travelling public. | :50:23. | :50:26. | |
As you might expect, the airline industry doesn't quite see it like | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
that. Their European trade body does accept the rules will change, it is | :50:31. | :50:34. | |
a question of by how much? Please don't make those rules so | :50:35. | :50:43. | |
strict that you cripple the industry and ultimately harm the interests of | :50:44. | :50:46. | |
the passenger which could actually happen if the rules are so strict | :50:47. | :50:54. | |
that we are heavily burdened with them and acceptable compromise will | :50:55. | :50:57. | |
be difficult to reach. Having said that, the commission proposal is | :50:58. | :51:03. | |
really pretty fair and balanced as far as we're concerned. Which is why | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
MEPs think the commission's plan to enforce the existing rules rather | :51:08. | :51:12. | |
than add to them is lame. I don't think they go anywhere near far | :51:13. | :51:23. | |
enough. The commission has failed to recognise 261 is about passenger | :51:24. | :51:26. | |
rights, not airline rights The timetable to get it through is | :51:27. | :51:30. | |
tight. It has to be signed of by the Parliament, the commission and the | :51:31. | :51:33. | |
Council of Ministers and that worries consumers groups We would | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
support the European Parliament approach. We are much more concerned | :51:38. | :51:41. | |
about the council position, with the member states, with the Governments | :51:42. | :51:45. | |
because they seem to wish to water down the protection that would be | :51:46. | :51:50. | |
granted to air passengers. We see there is inference of the airline | :51:51. | :51:54. | |
companies to member states. The reform maybe on the runway, but it | :51:55. | :51:58. | |
is not certain to takeoff, in Europe, as with flights, change can | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
be subject to delay, re-routing and cancellation. | :52:04. | :52:08. | |
His flight back was delayed! Have you ever been bumped? It is | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
something what happens regularly. What about yourself? I haven't, | :52:13. | :52:16. | |
Andrew. In America, when you get bumped, they have a bidding war. | :52:17. | :52:19. | |
They say, if you don't take this flight, we will give you $500 and | :52:20. | :52:26. | |
start at $50 and it goes up to ?500. Do they do that in Europe? I was on | :52:27. | :52:32. | |
a flight where someone as bumped off and they were offered compensation | :52:33. | :52:34. | |
and another flight. Are the changes going to make a difference? Well, | :52:35. | :52:38. | |
they could be stronger. This is about passengers rights and it is | :52:39. | :52:41. | |
important and it is something that that is Europe-wide. This is one of | :52:42. | :52:46. | |
the benefits of being part of the EU. Is this something that would | :52:47. | :52:53. | |
have to be tackled by the EU? They should be done properly by | :52:54. | :52:58. | |
inter-governmental agreements so national governments can agree these | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
things across borders and that's what used to happen. I don't see why | :53:03. | :53:06. | |
are that couldn't happen in the future. Will you be voting for this? | :53:07. | :53:11. | |
No, we will abstain. We never vote for more EU legislation as a matter | :53:12. | :53:16. | |
of principle. What we did in October when there was a directive before | :53:17. | :53:19. | |
the Parliament to increase pilots hours and health and safety is as | :53:20. | :53:25. | |
far more important and we were the only party to oppose that. Is that | :53:26. | :53:29. | |
right to vote for increased pilots hours? Well, this was about | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
Europe-wide and it meant that member States could do better than that if | :53:35. | :53:37. | |
they wanted to. It didn't stop member states from improving that | :53:38. | :53:42. | |
position. It created a minimum standard. We had strong | :53:43. | :53:46. | |
representation from the unions. It was not something they felt... The | :53:47. | :53:51. | |
pilots union is strong and sets standard. If you seen the | :53:52. | :53:54. | |
documentaries about the long hours that pilots work and the bad | :53:55. | :53:57. | |
conditions they sleep in when they are not flying. There was a story | :53:58. | :54:02. | |
that two fell asleep at the same time? There is no point if doing | :54:03. | :54:05. | |
this if you abstain. We voted against that motion. Let's move on | :54:06. | :54:08. | |
because Albania is waiting in the wings. It looks like Macedonia is | :54:09. | :54:14. | |
further ahead in the queue. Iceland are not really bothered anymore and | :54:15. | :54:19. | |
Ukraine said they are not interested. They are still over the | :54:20. | :54:27. | |
moon in zag Zagreb. How does a country join the EU? Here is Adam | :54:28. | :54:34. | |
with his latest of the A to Z of Europe. | :54:35. | :54:46. | |
How do you get into the EU? I've come to mini Europe in brust les to | :54:47. | :54:51. | |
find out. -- Brussels to find out. First a country has to fit | :54:52. | :54:57. | |
fundamental criteria, they were written in Copenhagen in the 1990s, | :54:58. | :55:04. | |
the country has to have respect for law, a fully functioning market | :55:05. | :55:08. | |
economy. If a country broadly measures up it | :55:09. | :55:15. | |
becomes a candidate and then it is put under the magifying glass with | :55:16. | :55:21. | |
the EU telling it what reforms have to be made. Finally, there is a | :55:22. | :55:26. | |
treaty. All of this takes ages. Just ask the ambassador for the most | :55:27. | :55:32. | |
recent arrival, Croatia. It started in 2000 when there was an opening | :55:33. | :55:36. | |
towards the EU prospective of Croatia. Our formal application to | :55:37. | :55:42. | |
become a member was sub smitted in -- submitted in 2003, the | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
negotiations started in 2005 and ended in 2011 and we entered the | :55:47. | :55:51. | |
union in 2013. I would say, it was 13 years of hard work and personal | :55:52. | :55:56. | |
sacrifice, but in our case, 13 ended up being a lucky number. | :55:57. | :56:02. | |
Inevitably, politics come into it. For example, EU officials wanted to | :56:03. | :56:05. | |
delay the accession of Greece, but they were overruled by the | :56:06. | :56:09. | |
politicians. The expansion into Eastern Europe in the early 2000s | :56:10. | :56:17. | |
was champ beyond by -- championed by Britain and others weren't | :56:18. | :56:22. | |
welcoming. While we are now potentially ambling towards the | :56:23. | :56:25. | |
exit, there are plenty of countries who would love a spot in mini Europe | :56:26. | :56:31. | |
like Albania. At the end of the process, we will see we have | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
transformed ourselves, our standards of living. We will see that our | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
industries and the other sectors of the economies, they will have, they | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
will be better placed to benefit from the possibilities that the | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
single market, the European single market offers to them. Some people | :56:51. | :56:55. | |
say enlargement is the EU's most successful foreign policy because | :56:56. | :56:58. | |
the lure of membership encourages countries to develop. Others fear | :56:59. | :57:02. | |
that Europe is becoming quite the opposite of this place. Far too big. | :57:03. | :57:13. | |
I would love to go there. Who would you love to see come in next? Serbia | :57:14. | :57:18. | |
is a good candidate and if it brings peace and stability to these | :57:19. | :57:25. | |
countries and good governance. Is it fit for purpose? We have to make | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
sure it is before we consider it joining in. | :57:30. | :57:34. | |
I don't mind who comes in, as long as we can leave first. They can take | :57:35. | :57:37. | |
our place! It is significant that Ukraine which looked like was moving | :57:38. | :57:41. | |
towards Europe, I would suggest Moscow is putting the heavies on it? | :57:42. | :57:46. | |
It sounds like it, yes. They were concerned about it in Moscow. It is | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
a shame. They have put the frighteners on it to do with trade | :57:52. | :57:58. | |
if they join. And energy as well. Quite a lot of countries who joined | :57:59. | :58:03. | |
in the past weren't fit to join. The whole thing was fudged because the | :58:04. | :58:08. | |
EU's motto ought to be wider and wider shall our bounds be set. That | :58:09. | :58:14. | |
was British policy. It is called the union now, not the European Union in | :58:15. | :58:21. | |
the treaty and I have been to meetings where they talk about | :58:22. | :58:25. | |
long-term African countries. Every year, it is not ridiculous. We had | :58:26. | :58:33. | |
Croatia. We could take the 13 colonies back. I feel that's their | :58:34. | :58:36. | |
long-term objective. You have got Turkey lined up and Croatia came in | :58:37. | :58:41. | |
and long-term... That's a long way away. It is. If you get your way, we | :58:42. | :58:50. | |
will be out? I houp so. -- hope so. That's to my guests. That's it for | :58:51. | :58:52. | |
now. Bye-bye. | :58:53. | :58:59. |