08/01/2014 Daily Politics


08/01/2014

Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn are joined by Treasury minister Sajid Javid and shadow business secretary Chuka Umunna. Plus live coverage of Prime Minister's Questions.


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Morning folk, happy New Year, this is the Daily Politics.

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The gloves are off, let battle commence, the general election is

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only 16 months away, but blink and you might miss it. The parties are

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flexing their political muscles over the economy. We will be asking who

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is in better shape? It a New Year, have the party leaders resolved to

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be nice to each other? I doubt it. Find out in the first PMQs of 2014.

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Auntie moved to Salford but should other big institutions like the

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Royal Opera House and the House of Lords move north in an effort to

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rebalance the country away from London?

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And do you know your one nation from your big society? We will be asking

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if political slogans should be consigned to the political scrap

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heap. All that and more in the next 90 my

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opinion, of public service broadcasting, at its finest, this

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2014 BAFTA's very announced this morning I think we were nominated

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againment at least for what though? It is a daytime show. I can't go

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there. With us for the theration two straight talking MPs guaranteed not

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to utter the words global race, hard-working families, or the cost

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of living crisis. At least that is what it says here.

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I will believe it when I hear it. Welcome to the financial secretary

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to the Treasury Sajid Javid and the Shadow Business Secretary Chuka

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Umunna. Who are clearly share the same dress designer, suit designer,

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tie, hair stylists did you co-ordinate before you came here? We

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checked. We are not going to recommend an honour for our

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hairdresser. We will keep that to the Prime Minister. I am told that

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have signed a contract in blood to be slogan-free for 90 minutes. We

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will have a swear box and we will, no, we are not, we are going to have

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a slogan box. We will announce the winner at the end of the programme.

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Something to look forward to. First this morning let us talk about how

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we vote, because a report by the heck tration commission has

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recommended that voters should be required to show prove of

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identification at poling stations to stop vote-rigging, the Commission

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wants political candidates to agree to a strengthened Code of Conduct,

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which would prevent them from handling any postal votes. Do you

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agree with that? Should we have ID when we vote? I am pleased the

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Electoral Commission have looked into this, I haven't had time to

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study the report, it has just come out. I, also some of the action we

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have taken as a government, such as individual voter registration I

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think will make a difference, trying to cut fraud, this particular idea

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of using ID cards, I would like to look at the evidence, one thing that

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does concern me is that voter participation getting more people

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out there to vote, in every election, it is key. Do you think

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that would put them off? I would like to look at the #e6d. So it is

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something we will respond to in due course, it is the right thing to do,

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to look at the evidence the Electoral Commission will put

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forward. But you are not convinced yet What about you, do you think in

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order to try and tackle the problem, which they say isn't massive and

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widespread, but there are areas they are concerned about, that that, like

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many other countries would help reduce fraud? We need sensible

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reform to clampdown on electoral fraud but I am not sure about this

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proposal on photo ID. I have to say. Why? It was used in Northern Ireland

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from 2003, which is of course, you know, a certain situation, and what

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you saw there was voter registration, massively decimated

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the vote Errol was decimated. We have to be careful we don't use a

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sledge hammer to crack a nut. The heck trag tral commission has said

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they think probably only in a handful of case, a very small number

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has there been fraud, there have only been two convictions for

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electoral fraud between 2008 and 2011. We have to maintain the

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integrity of the system, but I think we have to be careful. How else

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would you tackle it? They identify 16 areas that were of greater ris,

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including Birmingham, Blackburn, gladded for, Burnley, Calderdale and

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numerous others, and they have also drawn attention to the fact they are

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worried about fraud, or vote-rigging in areas where there are, or is a

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high proportion of south Asian population, do you think in those

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cases we need stricter rules? What is important they said they don't

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think it is a widespread programme. It is a few areas, it is quite

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isolated. I don't think it a problem of any particular community, it is

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important to look at ways to cut it, that is why I think the individual

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voter registration is an important change, that will make a difference,

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but they are rightly independent, they are charged to look at this, so

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we should look at that carefully, there is no party politics in this

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at all, it is about getting, having confidence in our electoral system

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and that is why we should look what the they have to say. This is very

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much them, they are saying's We have to be careful. The Electoral

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Commission said today it wasn't just an issue impacting those... They

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said they had drawn focus to those. They were careful to say it isn't an

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issue only for those communities. In individual voter registration, we

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are not opposed to that in principle, but the way in which it

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is done in a rushed man e I think is a concern. I look in my own

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constituency for example and we have big issues in terms of the number of

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people who are not registered to vote who could be on the roll. We

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would need, you have to ensure you address under registration, before

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you move towards individual registration. We have get more

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people on the register, there is about three million who aren't on

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the register, an area like mine, it is underregistered. Briefly on

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postal vote, they want to tighten up the rule about who handles them. Is

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that a good idea? Some of the rules have been tightened up, I think

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again, we should look at this carefully, we should take what they

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have got to say seriously but we shouldn't rush to a decision on the

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first day of the report. Now in case you haven't notice we

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appeared to is slipped into a new years with all the mince pie, bran

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di, tury stuffing, you may not have been suitably alert to realise we

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waved goodbye to 2013 and hello to 2014. It is not passed David Cameron

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or George Osborne by, they were up and about at the begin of the week

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doing their morning stretches and trying to make all the running on

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the economy, with Mr Osborne announcing of the ?25 billion of

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cuts he thinks will have to be made in public spending, a big chunk,

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about 50% will need to come from the welfare budget. Jo has the details.

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Yes, David Cameron and George Osborne have been hitting the gym as

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part of their New Year's resolution to beat Labour in the debate oh the

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economy. There have been cent good indicators, including the British

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Chamber of Commerce, whose latest survey predicts the recovery will

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gather momentum. Car sales at their highest level since 2007 and the UK

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construction sector, growth remains strong.

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The Conservatives are determined to stay the course on the economy, and

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deficit reduction until 2015. And have outlined further cuts of ?25

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billion. They plan to make after the next election. Much of which will

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fall on the welfare budget, with housing benefits stripped for under

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25, and high earns, Labour have been puffing and panting as they try and

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catch up on the economy, with some critics accusing them of not having

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a proper plan, instead, Labour have decided to change the game, and have

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been trying to deliver a knock out blow over the cost of living.

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They have certainly been successful this making the Government back

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pedal over things like energy prices, Labour have some way to go

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to convince the public they are credible on the economy. In a poll

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last month 39% of people thought David Cameron and George Osborne

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best at handling the economy. Compared to just 23% who thought the

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two Eds were the best bet. Thanks for that. Chuka Umunna, you

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saw on the graph there only 23% of voters trust Labour to handle the

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economy. You have a lot of ground to make up by May 2015. These are

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surveys and polls and what will matter when people go to the ballot

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box. This poll was consistent. It has been a minority have trusted you

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since the election to run the economy. Look, we need to get the

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support of the British people across the whole swathe of a government's

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policy agenda and get their votes at the general election. What is clear,

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I am not sure I accept that, what is clear is that the biggest issue

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facing people are their living standards, I am trying to avoid

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using the slogan. I didn't say the whole piece there, but look, I mean

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people on average are earn earning ?1600 less than in 2010. So that

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needs to be addressed. I wouldn't deny we need to deal with the

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deficit and debt. I think we are at 75% now, it is forecast to go up to

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80%. And so, you know, undoubtedly, there are going to be tough

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decisions that we will need to be made, which, we have accepted, but

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ultimately if you want the deal with the public finances you have to put

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them on a long-term sustainable footing and that involves getting

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more people into work, but ensuring their earn more in work, that means

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we need to reconfigure the economy. We cannot go back to a growth model

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where you are seeing house prices, private consumption, and, you know,

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contrary -- contributing the to growth. You mean like under the last

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Labour Government We should have better regulated the banks and we

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have seen the economy grow where it hasn't been as balanced as what we

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would like. If you talk to people on my constituency here in Streatham,

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sure, things are ticking up, if you talk to people in other parts of

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London, other parts of the country, they are not feeling that, so we

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have to get a much more balanced form of growth, and a form of growth

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which sees more money going into people's wage packets.

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If Labour does win the next election, we hear you will be a more

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important figure in the Cabinet thannel balls. I don't know about

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that, I very much doubt that. In the economist it has got us all

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aTwitter. These days it says Labour's economic strategy will be

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to boost the business department at the expense of the Treasury. Ed

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balls is the Treasury you are the business department I have seen this

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piece which has caused some interest, in some senses, it misses

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the point because I think one of the big things we need to do is push

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power down and out. If we are going to address the need to rebalance the

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economy geographically, we need to see less obsession about what is

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going on at the centre, and we need to push power down. Like the

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business department would. You have offices all over the country. That

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is is a good example. If you look at the Biz, it has got eight regional

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office, two in Bristol and Cambridge there are no staff, so I think there

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is a London-centric... Do you know who wrote this blog bigging you up

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It is Jeremy Cliff. Who used to work for you. Is he the one who changed

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your Wikipedia entry to make you Britain's Obama. Oh, you did that

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yourself! He will not be the first journalist who. Researchers office

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of Chuka Umunna, campaign intern Streatham Labour Party. I think you

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know, it mentions it you had, you went round for a coffee to Margaret

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Thatcher's house. Then she banned me for six years. From Downing Street.

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That was a good expensive coffee. Lots of journalists have worked

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for... I did won't -- didn't work for her. It doesn't mean Tim

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Montgomorie edits Conservative Home. He bigged you up. You remember what

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Diane Abbott said, Ed ball, don't mess with him. Sajid Javid. Let me,

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these... You can try and rumble me. Can I begin, can we take it as given

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all the central office talking points, you have had them out. I

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have been watching every interview. You did it with Jeremy Paxman on

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Newsnight. Can we get, can you give us a clear indication, of what areas

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of welfare the 12 billion of cuts will come from? Well, first we have

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why are we talking about this is because Britain has to make a

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decision, if we are going to keep the growth going, this is important.

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That is the central office talking point. We had them all. The context

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is important. We have had that. Our viewers watch Newsnight. That is

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probably why they are so small! They have, I heard you on the radio in

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Sweden and France, I follow you everywhere, what is the answer to my

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question? Can you give its an indication of where the 12 billion

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cuts will come from? I can tell you there will be 25 billion in total

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after the election. That is what is necessary to sustain the recovery.

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Of that as you said 12 billion will come from the welfare budget. Give

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us a broad brush. It is not because we think the welfare budget, there

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is something hugely wrong with it and that is the only place to go. It

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is, we want a welfare system that work, that continues to be reformed.

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I understand that, for the sake of this discussion let us assume you

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love welfare, you cuddle it before you go to bed. Where will the cuts

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come The housing benefit for Under 25s is just under ?2 billion, right?

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This is a party proposal. I can't give you exact numbers. Some

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reputable think-tanks have said it is about ?2 billion. You will not

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taking housing benefits away from under 25-year-olds who have their

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own children? You probably won't take it away because you cuddle

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welfare every night. You won't take it away from disabled folk who are

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under 25? We will be only able to set that out when we get closer to

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the election. You are looking like a couple of hundred million, not ?2

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billion there? The important thing is, we are setting out the tough

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decisions that need to be made. We are prepared to make those

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decisions. You are not prepared to give... If they think it is not

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welfare, they can tell us they will cut the NHS, like they cut it in

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Wales, they can tell us it is going to be schools, or it will be more

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borrowing that will put the recovery at risk. We are prepared to make the

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decisions. Is Labour? You said if the Government stayed with its

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current spending and tax plans, that there wouldn't be a recovery. Did Ed

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Balls predict a triple recession? We didn't. I'm not too sure where - if

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you let me finish. I'm not sure he did. I don't think that is what has

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been said. We said that if he went for an overly austere fiscal

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consolidation programme, you risk there being months of no growth.

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Didn't he say there would be a double dip? That is what happened.

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Didn't he say there would be a double dip? I don't recall saying

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that. I do. I was at the Labour Party Conference. He said - at the

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Labour Party Conference, he did say - I will look in the quotes here. He

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is commenting on Osborne's strategy to the Labour faithful. He said,

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"There is nothing credible about this plan that leads to a double-dip

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recession." I think the point that that was was said - which conference

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is this taken from? I don't know. Can I pick up on one thing? Sure.

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Forever you hear - we heard some of the Central Office talking points,

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this allegation that Labour wants to borrow and spend more. No, we don't.

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Actually, we have said - we have set out a range - in the same way the

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Government hasn't said anything, the Conservative Party hasn't said at

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this moment everything that will be in the manifesto. You can say that

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again! We have said a range of things - public sector pay

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increases, we wouldn't give the Winter Fuel Allowance to the 5%

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richest pensioners. Again, that is a couple of million, too? We would

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like - and I see no reason why this shouldn't happen, the Office for

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Budget Responsibility to audit our plans and then they can determine

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that. If they won't do it, I'll do it! I'm not sure... I'll do you

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both! Can I ask you... I might give my forecasts. Can I ask this? Are we

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heading for a decent chunky increase in the minimum wage? What has been

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in the news - rightly so - the Department of Business has asked the

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Low Pay Commission to look into this. They will report back shortly.

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Would you be in favour of one? What would be the argument against it? If

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you increase the minimum wage, people would pay more tax and you

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would have to pay them a bit less welfare. What would be the argument

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against a chunky rise in the minimum wage, given that the current minimum

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wage is back at the value it was in 2004? It is 10% lower than where it

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was in 2008. That is a strong case to look at it. What would be the

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case against it? There are plenty of people who say there could be an

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impact on the job market. Who says that? Many economists. Who says

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that? I could find you a number of economists. One would do. You could

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look at Alastair Heath, one of your best friends. He would tell you that

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an increase in the minimum wage could have an impact on jobs. Right.

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It could. You have to look at these things. The important thing is that

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the right place to look at this decision is the Low Pay Commission.

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Would you like to see one? It should be looked at. Alright. We are proud

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to have introduced the National Minimum Wage. It is good to see the

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Conservative Party has come round to the need for a National Minimum

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Wage. We want to strengthen it. We have the former Deputy Chair... You

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would back that rise? Let me say two things. It is important we can

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continue with the social partnership approach where the Government,

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employee organisations and employer organisations sit down together and

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set the rate with reference to what the likely impact is going to be on

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jobs. Within that, we are looking at how we can strengthen it. It is not

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just an issue of the National Minimum Wage, we need to do

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everything we can to incentivise more employers to pay the living

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wage. From a fiscal point of view, you are doing less after people have

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been paid through tax credits than you would otherwise be doing. We

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need to leave it there. You can have too much fun(!)

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telling us to buy British. Politicians are making speeches

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about immigration. And the English cricket team are rubbish again. Why

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don't we let in as many Bulgarians and Romanians that want to come if

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they can play cricket? Yes, they've managed the dubious achievement of

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only the third Ashes whitewash in history. So there'll be no

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Let's look at Big Ben for the first time this year. Prime Minister's

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Questions on the way. If you would like to comment on proceedings, you

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can e-mail us at [email protected] or tweet

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your thoughts using #bbcdp. We will read some out after Prime Minister's

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Questions. Nick Robinson, fresh from his documentary last night, and his

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ratings battle against Nigella Lawson, is here. If you missed it,

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go to the back of the class and watch this. Ladies and gentlemen,

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can I gather you around? If I were to ask you how many immigrants are

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there in Britain as a proportion as a whole, is it a half, is it more

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than a half, say three-quarters? Sir, you think... The eighth. It is

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not as much as people think? That is about an eighth. You think about a

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quarter of the British population were born abroad? A quarter. Ladies

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and gentlemen, I can now announce the result. Who got closest to the

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immigrant population of Britain on our pie chart? Peter Snow, eat your

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heart out! The answer is - well done, Sir - an eighth! APPLAUSE

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There were no depths you were prepared not to go to to compete

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with Nigella in the ratings, even to using a pie chart, a REAL pie chart!

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I was doing a rehearsal before the pie filling started to fall out. The

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point of that - it was based on a piece of national opinion poll - is

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that on average - this is just an average - people think the immigrant

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population in Britain is a third and it is only an eighth. It is one

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example of where there are some misconceptions about immigration

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that - I was about to use a word to colour the debate. Those who live

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here but who are not born here, is that right, that is the definition?

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Correct. Part of the reason - in a sense, people no longer know what

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they mean by immigrants. Do you mean someone who might regard themselves

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as a British Pakistani, or a British Indian, although in fact they are

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the third generation. Are you talking about them? Or are you

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talking about people who have moved? In America, they used to say by the

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third generation you were the fully-fledged American? Yes. We

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still kind of think that if you come from immigrant parents or

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grandparents, there's still a sense in some parts of the country, "You

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are some kind of an immigrant." The fact - this is for people who didn't

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see the film - the fact that the debate about the right response to

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immigration now covers particularly for Labour, the issue about the

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economics, what can you do about implementing the minimum wage? What

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can you do about agency workers and so on? Conservatives have echoed

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some of those things. Immigration is treated more like a normal policy

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debate and it is becoming disassociated from race. Of course,

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there is always going to be a factor about race and religion and so on.

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And concerns about that. It seems to me, for the obvious reason that the

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big wave of immigration ten years ago now was white European and

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Christian, you could have strong views about immigration without

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people then necessarily saying, "I know where you are coming from." Did

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you see the programme last night? I didn't. I will watch it on iPlayer.

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The interesting thing about what Nick says is I found at the 2010

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general election, the people, those of my constituents who raised the

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issue of immigration with me more than any other groups, were my black

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and Asian constituents. Was that because of perceived unfairness that

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East Europeans, they thought, had a "better or easier deal"? The Asian

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community, they often say, there are tougher rules on marriage, about

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bringing brides from abroad, that apply to us, but they don't apply to

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a poll. I would say two things. First of all, the sense of being

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undercut in terms of wages and also the jobs going to somebody else.

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Secondly, in terms of the pressure on resources. Essentially, it is - I

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find - and I will no doubt find this out when I watch it on iPlayer - the

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immigration debate is a proxy for an economic debate. A lot of it has to

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do with if you look at the shape of our labour market, we rank fifth in

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terms of the size of percentage of our workforce. Actually, I really

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think that is what ultimately what it goes to. We will have to go over

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to the House in a minute. Did you watch the programme? I didn't see

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the programme. I will be watching it. Why? Why do I bother? You go to

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all this effort. You make a pie, you make a programme and they can't

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bother to watch? You have two proud British-born sons of British

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immigrants here. We understand this debate quite a lot. We have lived

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here all our life. It is not about race. It should never be about race.

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There are legitimate, sensible reasons where it is economics and it

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should never be a no go area for politicians. Just before we go over,

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a sad event in Westminster today. Paul Goggins, much-liked MP on both

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sides of the House, has died. There is always a danger with that phrase.

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It is true. I do think - I have walked through the House of Commons

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to come here and somebody broke the news to an MP I was talking to.

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People were very sad. A lovely guy. I only met him three years ago when

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I came into Parliament. In that time, I immediately identified him

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as one of the nicest MPs around across the House. Manchester MP,

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Paul Goggins. He had been a social worker. He was involved in social

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care, ran a children's home. Then went on to become a Home Office

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Minister. He spoke with real passion for his area. He was a passionate

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Catholic as well. This was a guy, whether you agreed with him or not,

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that people thought he was rooted in his community and in a set of values

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he was passionate about. Not an old man? No. Barely 60. People may

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remember that he was taken ill, he had a stroke after being out running

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just before Christmas. There were worries then. He had been unwell

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since. It will form part of PMQs. Let's go over to the House.

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Captain Richard Holloway of the royal engineers was tragically

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killed after being engaged in enemy fire in Afghanistan on 23rd

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December. He was a highly respected soldier and our deepest sympathies

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should be with his parent, his brother and girlfriend who he left

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behind. Mr Speaker our thoughts should also go to the victims of the

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US helicopter crash in Norfolk about which details are still merges and

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Mr Speaker, today, I know that the sudden death this morning of Paul

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Goggins, MP for Wythenshawe and sell will have shocked even in the house.

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He was a kind and brilliant man who believed in public service, he cared

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about the welfare of children and the importance of social work and he

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brought his own clear experience to bear as an MP, and as a minister. He

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did vital work as a Northern Ireland minister playing an essential role

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in delivering the essential devolution of policing and justice

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powers in Northern Ireland. He was liked and admired across the House

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and treated everyone in whatever circumstances with respect. He will

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be greatly missed and we send our condolences to his wife, his

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children and to his family. Mr Speaker, this morning I had meetings

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with colleagues an other, I shall have further such meetings today. I

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a sure that the House will want to be associated with the comments my

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right honourable friend. Paul Goggins in particular was a good,

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and decent man, and I know he will be sorely missed on all sides of the

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House. Yesterday, Mr Speaker, the British Chamber of Commerce found

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that manufacturing exports and services were growing strongly. Does

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my right honourable friend agree with me that this shows despite more

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work that needs to be done, it is crucial that the Government sticks

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to its long-term economic plan? I thank my right honourable friend for

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what he said and what he said about Paul Goggins as well. It's a report

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from the British Chamber of Commerce, there is still a lot more

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work to do, we have to continue to get the deficit down, we have to

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continue economic growth, keep getting more people into work, there

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shouldn't be one ounce of complacency, but the report did find

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that manufacturing balances are at a high, ex fors are up and services

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are growing strongly, if we stick to the plan we can see this country

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rise, and our people rise with it too.

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Mr Speaker, I join the Prime Minister in paying tribute to

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Captain Richard Holloway of the Royal Engineers who was killed in

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action in Afghanistan. His death just two days before Christmas is a

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reminder of the risks being taken on our behalf every day by the members

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of the armed force, he showed courage and bravery and our

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sympathies are with his family and friends. I join the Prime Minister

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in sending condolences to the families of the victims of the US

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helicopter crash in Norfolk. I want to pay tribute to our friend and

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colleague Paul Goggins. He was one of the kindest, most decent people

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in this House. He was is one of the deepest

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principle. It shone throughout his career, social worker, councillor,

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MP, and minister. And it is a measure of the man and

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his ability, that he earned the respect, trust, and affection of all

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sides in Northern Ireland. The Labour Party has lost one of its

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own, and one of its best. Our deepest condolences to go to his

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wife, his children, and indeed to his whole family.

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Mr Speaker, the whole county will be concerned about the price paid by

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those affected by the floods and storm, I pay tribute to of work the

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emergency service, can the Prime Minister update the House on the

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number of people affected and what action is being taken to ensure

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areas that could be affected by further flooding have all the

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necessary support? First of all can I thank the Leader of the Opposition

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for his very moving words about Paul Goggins and for what he said. In

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terms of flooding it is an extremely difficult situation for those

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affected. Seven people have lost their lives since this began, I

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think he is right to pay tribute to the emergency services, to the

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Environment Agency worker, to the flood wardens and to the many

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neighbours and individuals who have shown bravery and courage and spirit

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over the Christmas period at helping neighbours and friends. As it is an

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ongoing situation let me bring the House up-to-date. There are

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currently 104 flood warnings in place in England and Wales, that

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means that more flooding is sadly expected and immediate action is

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required. There are 186 flood alerts, meaning

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that even further flooding is possible beyond what we expect more

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rapidly. Although the weather is improving the river levels remain so

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high the flooding could come at short notice, there are a number of

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concerns including Dorset, Wiltshire, Hampshire, Somerset and

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Oxford shire. Giving the threats which could last for receive days to

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come, I urge the members of the public to follow the advice of the

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emergency services in those areas at risk. At a national level we have

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been co-ordinating this under COBRA and it will continue to meet until

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the threat has passed. Mr Speaker, I thank the Prime

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Minister for that answer. I know he and the Environment Secretary will

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keep the House up-to-date. Can he tell the House whether it is clear

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why it took so long for some of the energy distribution companies to

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restore power to homes over the Christmas period, and what steps

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does he believe can be taken to ensure that doesn't happen again? I

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think he is right, in all these circumstances, no matter how good

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the preparation, there are lessons to learn, I think there are lessons

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to learn on this occasion on the positive side the Environment Agency

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warning service worked beer than in the past. The flood defences did

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protect, up to one million homes over the December and Christmas

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period. There are some negatives there and we need to learn lesson,

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some of the energy companies didn't have enough people over the holiday

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period for emergency response, and I saw that for myself in Kent. So we

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need to learn these lesson, my right honourable friend will be leading

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this exercise, the Energy Secretary is already looking at the levels of

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compensation and the preparedness and the speed of response from

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energy companies, but I would welcome from all members, all

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constituencies affected by flooding what they see on the ground about

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lessons that can be learned so we can make sure preparedness is better

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in future. Given the scale of risk exposed by these floods and the

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expected impacts of climate change, can the Prime Minister commit to

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DEFRA providing a report to this House by the end of this month,

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giving a full assessment of the future capability of our flood

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defences and flood response agency, and whether the investment plans in

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place are equal to the need for events of this kind? I am happy to

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make that commitment. As he knows, in this current four year period we

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are spending ?2.3 billion compared with 2.1 billion in the previous

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period. The money is going into flood defences, as we saw, with the

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early December flooding action about 800,000 homes protected by previous

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flood defence, and a further 200,000 houses affected over Christmas, it

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makes sense to look again at the proposals that are in the programme

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for flood defence work, and to see what more can be done. As well as

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the Government money, we are keen to lever in more private sector and

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Local Authority money, I am happy to commit for the Environment Secretary

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to come back and report to the House about the level of expenditure in

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the years going ahead. Thank you Mr Speaker, further to the

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Prime Minister's remarks on the recent flooding would he join me in

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paying tribute to Bournemouth Borough Council, the Dorset

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emergency services as well as local residents in dealing with two

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evacuations in my constituency, one of which is still on going due to

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the river bursting its bank, given the changing weather pattern, could

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I ask what more could be done to improved river and sea defences?

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Well, as my honourable friend knows, in Bournemouth and the Dorset area

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we have had 290 homes flooded so far, I agree with him that the work

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of the emergency services, the work of the Environment Agency has been

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excellent, I think many Local Authorities, including my own have

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had good plan, put them into place competently but not every Local

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Authority does as well. In terms of the Bournemouth and Poole area, the

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Bournemouth beach management scheme of round ?14 million is going to be

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invested over the next five years bs and that should protect round 2500

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properties by 201819. I would be interested to hear about what more

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he thinks could be done. The Prime Minister will be aware

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that the majority of new housing benefit claimants are in work. He

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will be aware that private sector landlords are refusing to take

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tenants on benefit, or evicting them. What does he say to

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hard-working families, faced with losing their homes because of his

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housing benefit cuts? We say we are cutting your tax, in April this year

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we will lift to 10,000 poub the amount of money that someone can

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earn before they start paying income tax, that makes a big difference,

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for someone on the minimum wage, they will see their tax bill come

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down by two thirds, we do have to take action on the housing benefit

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bill, housing benefit accounts for ?23 billion of Government spending,

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when we came into office, there were some families in London, who were

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getting housing benefit payment of 660, 70, ?80,000. They shout how

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many, one was too many, that is why we have capped housing benefit.

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If the Government decided to mitigate the scale of the cuts it

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plan, can my right honourable friend tell me how I explain to students

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doing PSHE wild they should avoid taking on debt but it is all right

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for the Government to ignore the same debt. Think he makes an

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important point. We have taken difficult decision to get the

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deficit down, to get the country back on track, and that has meant

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difficult decisions in terms of departmental spending and also

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welfare, now the party opposite is now Ngola Baka to where it started.

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They are saying they want to mitigate the level of cuts and

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therefore they want to spend more, they want to borrow more, they want

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to tax more, we may be at the start of a New Year but they have gone

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back to where they were three years ago.

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Mr Speak, does the Prime Minister recognise the concerns of families

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and communities about the impact of fixed odds betting terminal, gaming

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machines where people can gamble up to ?300 a minute on the high

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streets? No, I share concerns about this issue and I think it is welcome

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we have having this debate in the House of Commons today. I think

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there are problems in the betting and gaming industry, and we need the

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look at them. I think it is worth listening to the advice of his own

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shadow minister, who said that we should look, I accept the argument

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that empirical evidence is needed before making changes because it

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might create another problem somewhere else. This is a problem.

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It needs looking at. We have a review under way, we are clearing up

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a situation that was put in place under the last Government, but I

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think if we work together we can sort it out.

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Mr Speaker, let me say the 2005 gamble act limited the number of

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machines to four per betting shop, but it didn't go nearly far enough,

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in the action that should have been taken. And let me just say, Mr

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Speaker, he asked about evidence. Local communities from Fareham to

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Liverpool are saying that these machines are causing problems for

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families and community, now local communities believe they already

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have the evidence, shouldn't they be given the power to decide whether

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they want these machines, or whether they don't want them? I think he is

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making it a reasonable point. Let me deal with the fact, fixed odds

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betting terminals were introduced in 2001, after the Labour Government

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relaxed gambling regulations, the second fact is there are now fewer

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of these machines now, than there were when Labour were in office, and

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of course, to his point he has just made, councils already have powers

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to tackle the issue and I believe that councils should make full use

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of that power. I am not arguing that is job done, there may well be more

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to do, but we have a review under way, this is an issue for the

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Department of Culture, Media and Sport, if he has ideas I would ask

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him to put them into this review, but as I say, he might want to

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listen to his own shadow minister, who has recently as November said

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there is no evidence to support a change to stakes and prizes for

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fixed odds betting terminal, there seem seems to be something of a

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change but I think ewe can sort it out. Our ideas are in our motion

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today, and if he wants to vote for it we would be happy for him to do

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so. Mr Speaker, he says there are already powers, he says there are

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powers in place, but the Mayor of London, and the Conservative head of

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the Local Government Association have said local authorities do not

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have the power to limit the number of machine, in one in three calls to

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the gambling helpline are about these machines and they are

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clustered in deprived areas, for example, there are 348 in one of the

:45:15.:45:19.

most deprived boroughs, Newham. Can he at least give us a timetable for

:45:20.:45:22.

when the Government will decide whether to act. We will be reporting

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in the spring as a result of the review that is under way. It is

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important we get to grips with this. There is something of a pattern. We

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had the problem of 24-hour drinking and that needed to be changed and

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mitigated - we have done that. We had the problems created by the

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deregulation of betting and gaming. We need to sort that out. We have

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also had problems in the banking industry and elsewhere, that we have

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sorted out. If he wants to... As I said, if he wants to input ideas

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into that review, that is the right way forward. May I pay tribute to

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Paul Goggins and say how much he will be missed in this House? My

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right honourable friend is on the record as saying that he would like

:46:12.:46:16.

to say the A64 on the future roads list. Can he ensure that the present

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economy, which is very buoyant in North Yorkshire, is not held back by

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the congestion on that road and the poor safety? Will he join with me

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and that he can travel with much greater safety on the A64? The

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honourable lady is right to raise this issue. The quality and the

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capacity of the road system in Yorkshire has been and is a major

:46:45.:46:47.

issue. The Government has taken some important steps to help. There is

:46:48.:46:51.

more work to be done. I know the Chancellor was listening carefully

:46:52.:46:55.

and I am sure we can look at this for the future roads programme. What

:46:56.:47:00.

plans does the Government have to close the loophole which allows

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businesses to pay agency workers less than their fellow employees

:47:05.:47:11.

doing the same job? I looked into this loophole carefully over the

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Christmas period when the party opposite raised it. I discovered two

:47:16.:47:19.

things about this loophole. The first is, it was introduced and

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agreed by the last Labour Government and the TUC. That is loophole fact

:47:25.:47:29.

number one. Loophole fact number two - he shouts CBI - this is what they

:47:30.:47:34.

said about it. They said, "Further gold plating of EU rules can only

:47:35.:47:40.

cost jobs." Then we have the Recruitment and Employment

:47:41.:47:44.

Federation. "These arrangements were agreed after consultation with the

:47:45.:47:48.

last Government and business unions. Is the Labour Party saying they want

:47:49.:47:53.

to deny British temps the option of permanent employment?" The IOD say

:47:54.:48:01.

this, "It's a bad idea all round. The initial response to this for

:48:02.:48:05.

employers will be to employ fewer people on higher wages. What a great

:48:06.:48:11.

start to the New Year!" Only Labour could come up with an idea like

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that! Thank you, Mr Speaker. There is considerable interest from

:48:18.:48:26.

businesses in the Marr time and -- maritime and marine sector to

:48:27.:48:30.

relocate. What can the Government do to send a clear message to

:48:31.:48:34.

entrepreneurs that Portsmouth is open for business? I think my

:48:35.:48:38.

honourable friend is right to raise this issue. There are two things

:48:39.:48:41.

specifically that we can do to help Portsmouth at this time. The first

:48:42.:48:46.

is the Portsmouth and Southampton City Deal, that will bring jobs and

:48:47.:48:50.

investment. Secondly, as to emphasise the fact that this massive

:48:51.:48:55.

programme of modernising the Royal Navy with the aircraft carriers, the

:48:56.:48:59.

Type-45s, these are by and large going to be based in Portsmouth,

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creating jobs, making sure that it remains one of the most important

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homes for the Royal Navy, but she is right. Added to that, there is a

:49:08.:49:13.

future in Portsmouth in other marine industries and we should do

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everything we can to encourage business to locate there. I would

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also like to pay my sympathies to Paul Goggins' family, he was a

:49:24.:49:27.

lovely, lovely man. Mr Speaker, the Government has cut ?1.8 billion from

:49:28.:49:32.

the social care budget, which means nearly 500,000 fewer people are

:49:33.:49:45.

eligible for social care. With home care charges up, and the

:49:46.:49:49.

Government's care cap nothing more than a care con, why isn't the Prime

:49:50.:49:52.

Minister being honest with older people about the real care costs

:49:53.:49:54.

they will face under this Government? Well, what I would say

:49:55.:50:00.

to the honourable lady is this. Difficult decisions have had to be

:50:01.:50:03.

taken across Government spending. If you look at health and social care,

:50:04.:50:07.

we protected the health budget so it is going up in real terms and we

:50:08.:50:11.

have put some of that health budget up to ?3 billion into social care to

:50:12.:50:16.

help local authorities. We now want to get local authorities and local

:50:17.:50:20.

Health Services working even more closely together to deal with the

:50:21.:50:23.

problems of blocked beds and making sure there are care packages when

:50:24.:50:27.

they leave hospital. In areas of the country where this is working, you

:50:28.:50:30.

can see the benefits. We want to make that happen across the country.

:50:31.:50:38.

Mr Speaker, our excellent Local Enterprise Partnership estimates

:50:39.:50:41.

that Buckinghamshire has a ?12 billion economy with 30,000

:50:42.:50:45.

registered businesses and European head offices of over 700 foreign

:50:46.:50:52.

companies. They need the security of long-term economic policies. Will

:50:53.:50:56.

the Prime Minister assure me that as our economic growth is so clearly

:50:57.:51:00.

returning, unlike the party opposite, he will not gamble with

:51:01.:51:05.

their future and he will stick steadfastly to his long tried and

:51:06.:51:11.

tested economic policies? I'm very grateful to my right honourable

:51:12.:51:15.

friend. There is a vibrant economy right across the Thames Valley,

:51:16.:51:18.

including in Buckinghamshire. That is going to be based on sticking to

:51:19.:51:22.

our long-term economic plan, particularly important for the

:51:23.:51:26.

companies she mentions is keeping our rates of corporate tax low so we

:51:27.:51:30.

attract businesses and make sure companies want their headquarters

:51:31.:51:34.

here. That is the right answer. Not the answer of the party opposite,

:51:35.:51:37.

which is to put a close sign over the British economy. Thank you, Mr

:51:38.:51:43.

Speaker. A year ago, the Prime Minister said he would make damned

:51:44.:51:46.

sure that foreign companies pay higher taxes. But in The Financial

:51:47.:51:50.

Times at the weekend, it was shown that technology companies, like

:51:51.:51:54.

Apple and eBay, are paying even less. Why isn't the Prime Minister's

:51:55.:52:00.

tough talk adding up to very much? I think we are - he is being a little

:52:01.:52:04.

unfair. We are making progress on this very difficult issue. We raised

:52:05.:52:09.

at the G8 the importance of having international rules on tax reporting

:52:10.:52:12.

and having more countries working together on tax reporting and huge

:52:13.:52:17.

progress has been made, not least in the European Union where, for the

:52:18.:52:20.

first time, countries like Luxembourg and Austria, that have

:52:21.:52:24.

always held out against this information exchange, are now taking

:52:25.:52:29.

part. The OECD work is going ahead apace. That is partly because

:52:30.:52:32.

Britain has put its full efforts behind this vital work. Mr Speaker,

:52:33.:52:38.

Paul Goggins was a very decent and humble man, and one of the most

:52:39.:52:41.

effective and fair Ministers this House has seen. He will be sadly

:52:42.:52:45.

missed. The Prime Minister will know that the science is clear that the

:52:46.:52:49.

extreme weather conditions affecting our communities, including the Kent

:52:50.:52:54.

estuary, are a destructive and inevitable consequence, in part, of

:52:55.:52:58.

climate change. Given that he has said that this should be the

:52:59.:53:01.

greenest Government ever, will he now agree to support carbon

:53:02.:53:07.

reduction targets so we can take real action to protect people and

:53:08.:53:11.

property? I agree with my honourable friend that we are seeings more

:53:12.:53:16.

abnormal weather events. Colleagues across the House can argue about

:53:17.:53:19.

whether that is linked to climate change or not. I suspect that it is,

:53:20.:53:22.

but the point is whatever one's view, it makes sense to invest in

:53:23.:53:26.

flood defences, it makes sense to invest in mitigation, it makes sense

:53:27.:53:30.

to get information out better. We should do all of those things. As

:53:31.:53:34.

for carbon reduction targets, this Government is committed to carbon

:53:35.:53:38.

reduction targets. We worked with the last Government to put the

:53:39.:53:42.

Carbon Act into place. It wouldn't have happened without our support.

:53:43.:53:47.

We also have the Green Investment Bank up and running in Edinburgh.

:53:48.:53:55.

Thank you, Mr Speaker. Government cuts having closed the police cells

:53:56.:54:02.

in Bassetlaw, I now discover the police are having to patrol villages

:54:03.:54:08.

using public transport. That begs the question I would like to ask the

:54:09.:54:13.

Prime Minister. If the police are waiting at a bus stop having

:54:14.:54:20.

arrested someone, should they go upstairs, should they go downstairs,

:54:21.:54:25.

or should they not arrest at all? The first thing to say to the

:54:26.:54:28.

honourable gentleman is he didn't mention that recorded crime in the

:54:29.:54:32.

Bassetlaw community safety partnership is down by 27%. What is

:54:33.:54:48.

so noticeable... 27%. 27%. What is very noticeable is every honourable

:54:49.:54:53.

member opposite is getting up and complaining about the need to make

:54:54.:54:57.

reductions in departmental spending. Frankly, this is like back to the

:54:58.:55:02.

future. We are back now to where we were three years ago, when we said

:55:03.:55:05.

you've got to make difficult decisions, you've got to make some

:55:06.:55:09.

cuts and get the deficit down. They lived in total denial. They are back

:55:10.:55:13.

to where they were three years ago. It may be the New Year. It is the

:55:14.:55:31.

same old Labour Party. May I thank the Prime Minister and everyone over

:55:32.:55:35.

the years who has paved the way to bring this about. May I invite my

:55:36.:55:41.

right honourable friend to visit Bletchley Park and see for himself

:55:42.:55:50.

Alan Turin's remarkable achievements? This is excellent news

:55:51.:55:55.

that this Royal Prerogative Mercy has been granted in this very

:55:56.:55:59.

special case. I would be delighted to go to Bletchley Park, one of my

:56:00.:56:05.

wife's family worked there during the war and speaks incredibly highly

:56:06.:56:12.

about what he was like to work with. The work that was done in his

:56:13.:56:16.

constituency was vital in winning the war. #6 Thank you, Mr Speaker.

:56:17.:56:22.

Before Christmas, I was contacted by a seriously ill constituent of mine

:56:23.:56:27.

who is waiting for a kidney transplant. He needs five-hour

:56:28.:56:30.

dialysis sessions three times a week. But in the Prime Minister's

:56:31.:56:34.

Britain, he's been told by the Jobcentre that he is fit for work.

:56:35.:56:39.

On Monday, the Chancellor promised to take ?12 billion more from the

:56:40.:56:44.

Welfare Budget. Will the Prime Minister guarantee there will be no

:56:45.:56:47.

further cuts to benefits for the sick and disabled? Well, first of

:56:48.:56:51.

all, what I would say on the specific issue of his constituent,

:56:52.:56:55.

if he wants to write to me with the individual case, I'm happy to look

:56:56.:57:00.

at that individual case. In terms of making sure dialysis machines are

:57:01.:57:04.

available and the expertise is available, we are putting more money

:57:05.:57:09.

into the NHS, even though the advice from the Labour Party was to cut.

:57:10.:57:13.

The reason we have been able to put more money into the Health Service

:57:14.:57:17.

is we have taken tough and difficult decisions about welfare. Because we

:57:18.:57:21.

have put a cap on the amount of money a family can get, we have been

:57:22.:57:25.

able to invest in our Health Service. Because we have put a cap

:57:26.:57:31.

on housing benefit, not giving ?70,000 to some families, we have

:57:32.:57:34.

invested in our Health Service. We want to see more dignity, security

:57:35.:57:38.

and stability in the lives of Britain's families and we are making

:57:39.:57:46.

choices consistent with that. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Soaring car sales

:57:47.:57:54.

have helped supply chain companies create manufacturing jobs. 200 in

:57:55.:57:59.

the last year. Another 400 planned. Does the Prime Minister agree that

:58:00.:58:02.

this shows we are successfully rebalancing the economy and that we

:58:03.:58:04.

need to stay the course with policies that are clearly working?

:58:05.:58:09.

Very grateful for my honourable friend and what he says. I went with

:58:10.:58:16.

him to the opening of the new warehouse in his constituency, which

:58:17.:58:19.

has generated hundreds of jobs and it is going to be vital for the

:58:20.:58:22.

supply chain in his constituency. What these businesses want to see is

:58:23.:58:26.

a consistent economic policy, keeping interest rates down, getting

:58:27.:58:30.

the deficit down, cutting taxes for hard-working people, helping

:58:31.:58:33.

businesses to take more people on, investing in education, in skills

:58:34.:58:37.

and in controlling welfare. Those are the elements of our long-term

:58:38.:58:41.

plan. That is what we will stick to. Two months ago, I asked the Prime

:58:42.:58:48.

Minister whether a councillor who was suspended by the Labour Party

:58:49.:58:51.

should return to Pakistan given the arrest warrant for him. He attended

:58:52.:58:56.

the Prime Minister's party in October as an invited guest. Why is

:58:57.:59:02.

the Prime Minister still hiding on whether he should return to face

:59:03.:59:09.

justice? The first is this. I think it will be interesting hear. --

:59:10.:59:14.

interesting to hear. The allegations he mentions are disputed and are

:59:15.:59:18.

currently subject to legal action. I'm limited in what I can say. What

:59:19.:59:22.

he failed to mention to the House last time he raised this is that the

:59:23.:59:27.

allegations date from the time when he was a Labour councillor. And I'm

:59:28.:59:36.

informed, Mr Speaker, that during his time as a Labour councillor, the

:59:37.:59:40.

Labour Party did absolutely nothing about these allegations. So, perhaps

:59:41.:59:46.

next time, when he stands up and asks a questions in the House of

:59:47.:59:49.

Commons, he will give us the full facts. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I

:59:50.:59:56.

associate myself with the tributes to Paul Goggins? His work on the

:59:57.:00:06.

reform of the law will go on. My constituent Christopher Scott died

:00:07.:00:10.

as a result of taking a legal high called AMT. Will my right honourable

:00:11.:00:15.

friend support my cause, calls from the Coroner and calls from

:00:16.:00:18.

Christopher's family to make sure that this dangerous drug and others

:00:19.:00:23.

like it are outlawed? My honourable friend is right. To raise this

:00:24.:00:29.

issue. Can I offer my condolences to the family of my honourable friend's

:00:30.:00:33.

constituent? As he knows with the rules that we have, hundreds of

:00:34.:00:36.

"legal highs" have already been banned and our temporary drug orders

:00:37.:00:40.

allow us to outlaw substances within days of them coming on to the

:00:41.:00:44.

market. We are not complacent. We have asked the advisory Council for

:00:45.:00:59.

the misuse of drugs to assist. May I join the Prime Minister and the

:01:00.:01:02.

Leader of the Opposition in paying warm tribute to Paul Goggins? He was

:01:03.:01:09.

a fine, decent and honourable man who was a great friend to Northern

:01:10.:01:13.

Ireland and a great friend to all of its people and he will be sadly

:01:14.:01:18.

missed, not only in this House, but throughout Northern Ireland. We

:01:19.:01:21.

offer sincere condolences to his wife and family at this difficult

:01:22.:01:26.

time. May I also commend the Prime Minister, and welcome the fact that

:01:27.:01:30.

he has committed to the triple lock guarantee for pensioners, if he's

:01:31.:01:33.

returned as Prime Minister in the next Parliament? Can I ask him to

:01:34.:01:38.

clarify whether if he is elected as Prime Minister again in 2015, and in

:01:39.:01:42.

the next Parliament, he will commit to retaining the Winter Fuel

:01:43.:01:51.

Allowance? Well, first of all, can I thank him for what he said about

:01:52.:01:59.

Paul Goggins? On the issue of pensions, it is important to

:02:00.:02:03.

recognise, we are only able to make this commitment to the triple lock,

:02:04.:02:06.

which has been important in this Parliament because we have made a

:02:07.:02:10.

commitment to raise the pension age to 66 and then progressively 67 and

:02:11.:02:15.

so on. That means that this pension increase is affordable. We made a

:02:16.:02:18.

very clear pledge for this Parliament about the pensioner

:02:19.:02:22.

benefits. I'm proud of the fact we are fulfilling it. We will set out

:02:23.:02:26.

our plans in the next manifesto. What I would caution people about is

:02:27.:02:32.

the belief that somehow if you don't pay for instance Winter Fuel

:02:33.:02:35.

Allowance, or the other benefits, if you don't pay them to those paying

:02:36.:02:40.

tax at 40p, you save a small amount of money. We will set out our plans

:02:41.:02:44.

in the manifesto. But absolutely vital is saying to Britain's

:02:45.:02:48.

pensioners, you have worked hard, we want to give you dignity and

:02:49.:02:51.

security in old age and the triple lock makes that possible. Is my

:02:52.:03:00.

right honourable friend that in my constituency there has been a large

:03:01.:03:05.

fire of waste carpets burning since September 3rd last year and the

:03:06.:03:08.

residents have been suffering from the fumes and smoke and that the

:03:09.:03:14.

Fire Brigade can't put out the fire for fear of polluting the water

:03:15.:03:19.

supply? Can I have my right honourable friend's support in

:03:20.:03:21.

urging the Environment Agency and the local authority to get this

:03:22.:03:24.

material off the site and give residents their lives back? I will

:03:25.:03:30.

certainly look in more detail into the issue that he raises. I

:03:31.:03:35.

understand the concern it's causing. My understanding is that

:03:36.:03:39.

environmental concerns, in particular that waste might run off

:03:40.:03:42.

and pollute local water supplies, these have hampered the efforts to

:03:43.:03:46.

extinguish the fire. I understand the local recovery group is meeting

:03:47.:03:49.

this week to see what more can be done to remove this waste. I'm happy

:03:50.:03:53.

to intervene with him on his behalf to make sure this makes progress.

:03:54.:04:00.

The Prime Minister's anti-independence campaign launched

:04:01.:04:02.

an initiative this week encouraging people outside Scotland to take part

:04:03.:04:06.

in the debate. Given that initiative, why will the Prime

:04:07.:04:10.

Minister not meet the First Minister on television? The calls for this

:04:11.:04:17.

debate show a mounting frustration amongst those calling for Scotland's

:04:18.:04:21.

separation from the rest of the United Kingdom, because they know

:04:22.:04:25.

they are losing the argument. They are losing the argument about jobs,

:04:26.:04:29.

they are losing the argument about investment. They have completely

:04:30.:04:32.

lost the argument about the future of the pound sterling. They are

:04:33.:04:35.

losing the argument about Europe. And yes, there should be a debate,

:04:36.:04:39.

but it is a debate between people in Scotland. The leader of the

:04:40.:04:44.

in-campaign should debate with the leader of the out-campaign. He, as

:04:45.:04:50.

the lackey of Alex Salmond, wants to change the terms of the debate. I'm

:04:51.:04:59.

not falling for that one. In the 13 years before 2010, there was net

:05:00.:05:03.

migration of nearly four million people into the UK. Mostly into

:05:04.:05:07.

England and in many cases, as a result of work permits issued by the

:05:08.:05:12.

then Government. Will my right honourable friend give me an

:05:13.:05:14.

assurance that this Government will keep in place its cap on the number

:05:15.:05:20.

of workers from outside the European Union? I can give my honourable

:05:21.:05:26.

friend the assurance he seeks. We should keep the cap on economic

:05:27.:05:29.

migrants from outside the European Union. We should continue with all

:05:30.:05:32.

the action we are taking to make sure that people who come here are

:05:33.:05:35.

coming to work and not to claim. I think what we need to do next is to

:05:36.:05:40.

recognise that the best immigration policy is not only to have strong,

:05:41.:05:45.

border controls, but also to have an education approach which is

:05:46.:05:48.

educating our young people for jobs in our country and a welfare system

:05:49.:05:52.

that encourages them to take those jobs. It is three sides to this

:05:53.:05:56.

argument - immigration, education and welfare. This Government has a

:05:57.:06:02.

plan for all three. Could I agree with the Prime Minister? No! The

:06:03.:06:15.

leader of the "no" campaign in Scotland cannot get a debate with

:06:16.:06:18.

the leader of the "yes" campaign in Scotland - that is absurd. The

:06:19.:06:22.

leader of the "yes" campaign in Scotland demands a debate with

:06:23.:06:28.

somebody that doesn't have a vote. In these circumstances, does the

:06:29.:06:32.

Prime Minister agree with me that in politics, as in shipbuilding, empty

:06:33.:06:35.

vessels make the most noise? I'm not finished. There is more.

:06:36.:06:57.

Without seeking to give offence to the Prime Minister, could I tell him

:06:58.:07:08.

that the last person Scotts want to have their -- Scots want to have as

:07:09.:07:15.

that representative is a Tory toff from the Home Counties, even one

:07:16.:07:26.

with a fine haircut? I accept every part of the honourable gentleman's

:07:27.:07:28.

question. I well remember when he came to Question Time, not with an

:07:29.:07:33.

empty vessel, but with a model of the vessel that he wanted built so

:07:34.:07:37.

near to his constituency, and I'm proud that this Government is

:07:38.:07:39.

building that vessel and indeed another one like it. I also accept

:07:40.:07:46.

that while I'm sure there are many people in Scotland who would like to

:07:47.:07:50.

hear me talk about this issue, my appeal doesn't stretch to every

:07:51.:07:56.

single part. The key point he is making is right. The reason the

:07:57.:07:59.

"yes" campaign head and the "no" campaign head can't get a debate is

:08:00.:08:03.

because those who want to break up the United Kingdom, they know they

:08:04.:08:06.

are losing the argument so they want to change the question. It's the

:08:07.:08:10.

oldest trick in the book and we can all see it coming.

:08:11.:08:19.

The Speaker deciding to let it overrun by, almost ten minutes.

:08:20.:08:26.

That watch I sent him for Christmas has not managed to wind up yet. An

:08:27.:08:33.

interesting Prime Minister's Questions because it was very

:08:34.:08:37.

low-key, it started with the Leader of the Opposition asking about the

:08:38.:08:41.

recent floods that have hit so much of the country, and then he did

:08:42.:08:45.

these three question, then he sat down, normally he does all six at

:08:46.:08:51.

once but he moved on to another three about the fix odds betting

:08:52.:08:55.

terminal, an important, interesting issue but not a kind of one of huge

:08:56.:09:00.

national significance, that was low-key as well. Normally we get

:09:01.:09:04.

what you thought of that, but before we do, I want to can Nick, is this a

:09:05.:09:10.

slow start to the New Year or are we seeing an attempt by the Leader of

:09:11.:09:16.

the Opposition, to change the tone of PMQ is There is one other thing

:09:17.:09:21.

that many MPs heard about the death of Paul Goggins who you heard

:09:22.:09:25.

tributes from all sides, and obviously very sincere tributes too,

:09:26.:09:29.

only just before, so that would have had a stilling effect any way, a

:09:30.:09:33.

subduing effect on the House of Commons. Ed Miliband looked

:09:34.:09:36.

emotional about it. He is a colleague, a friend, so I think that

:09:37.:09:41.

would have had an effect. But I think there is something more going

:09:42.:09:44.

on. I know that Ed Miliband was beginning to believe that Prime

:09:45.:09:48.

Minister's Questions had got out of control, it was a shouting match, on

:09:49.:09:52.

the rare occasion I am not here and in the gallery of the Mc, you can

:09:53.:09:57.

scarcely hear a single word. Occasionally you will see MPs lean

:09:58.:10:01.

backwards, it is not because they are falling asleep. There is a

:10:02.:10:05.

speaker, for us it in the front of us, we have to lean forward, simply

:10:06.:10:10.

to hear what is being said through the microphones, and I think Ed

:10:11.:10:13.

Miliband took the view something needed to change, he could, think of

:10:14.:10:17.

all the things he could have done, he could have make jokes about the

:10:18.:10:24.

MP's hairdresser getting an MBE, he could have talked about cuts, he

:10:25.:10:28.

chose the serious issues and asked about them in a low-key way. One

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fascinating possibility, it is only a possibility, is has he talked to

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the Prime Minister about changing it. I am told that in the past, Neil

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Kinnock once talked to John Major about changing the tone of Question

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Time, that both sides would change it. They sort of agreed to disarm

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for a period. I am told it lasted for a matter of weeks rather than a

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great long stretch of months but they both fell felt it had got out

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of control. I have no evidence it has happened in this case but I know

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it was being discussed by some people in the office. The viewers

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noticed the more low-key subdued, and most of the reaccuse swhuns in

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favour of it, so David said a quiet House today. Wouldn't it be nice if

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they behaved in such a manner all the time. And that was backed up by

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Ken Norman in Hertfordshire, how refreshing to hear a sober debate

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without the shouting, and mud-slinging, more please. But, as

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always, there is somebody on the other side. Peter said how tedious

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it is when there is no punch up in the chamber between the leader, do

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try harder. Then this on Twitter. "I see Ed Miliband hasn't eaten his

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Christmas turkey as it is sitting next to him." Jean said David

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Cameron can't seem to accept he has been in power for nearly four years

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and takes no soant for anything, and even though Ed Miliband didn't raids

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it, one of our viewers on the subject of David Cameron's

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hairdresser who received that offer, his haircut wasn't worth ?90.

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Boom-boom! There maybe a danger for Labour in this, let me put this to

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you and get your reaction, Mr Ed Miliband asked questions on the

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floods, and on these betting terminals, in a very serious

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responsible way, and he got replies in a suitable vain from the Prime

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Minister. And that is Mr Miliband finished. Other Labour backbenchers

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stand up and ask more party political question, which allows the

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preponderance then to come back, party politics, take this, Labour

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are useless replies, and Mr Miliband has not had a shot at saying the

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Tories are useless. I maybe this low-key approach could skew PMQs in

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favour of the Prime Minister. I couldn't disagree more. It tend to

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suggest most of the country are watching and they are not. Of course

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they are it is the Daily Politics. No disrespect to this programme, we

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have a major problem in our country, with the way that party politics is

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regarded. I wrote a piece over the weekend. It is too tribal. It is

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adversarial and we need to address that, and that is one of the reasons

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why we are reforming the way our party work, this is a broader thing

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than you say the relationship between Labour and the trade union,

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this is how we recorrect people with politics, we have an issue in the

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media. I remember when I was Ed's Parliamentary private secretary.

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Which Ed? Ed Miliband. When we were coming back from about a bout of

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PMQs and Ed had done six questions on a Foreign Affairs issue, and we

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were stopped by a member of the lobby who said why did do you that?

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And you know, couldn't you have done three on that and three a bit more

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kind of knock about? And I lost it and said to the member of the lobby,

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for God's sake we have got, I have got constituents who are fighting,

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who have been sent over into theatre, in this situation, I am, I

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can't remember if it was Libya or Syria, one of the other, it may have

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been Afghanistan, and I said and this is what you think we should

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reduce PMQs too? You are complaining there is not enough knock about. You

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are complaining that it was too serious today? This is as much a an

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issue for us as the media as well. Because very often people will not

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for example put us on television programmes unless we are about to

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have a massive knock about on a particular issue. How do we know?

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You were not approached to appear on this programme on the basis you will

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bash him. I am not suggesting that is the case. Andrew, I am not

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suggesting that is always the case, you will have a discussion with the

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producers about what the point of view is. Maybe, maybe it isn't as

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good television as some of those texts and e-mails would suggest. I

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question what is the function of PMQs? I think if you were a Martian

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from outer space landing in the middle of it and saying, human, what

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is this about and they say this is how they scrutinise the leader of

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their country, they would be "What? " Think the sombreness had to do

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with the sad news of Paul Goggins. Also turn to Nick's.About the topics

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Ed raised. We know one of the most important ones is the economy, it

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will dominate politics right up until the election, we heard from Jo

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earlier, lots of good news continues to come in, I am not surprised Ed

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didn't want to raise the issue of the economy. He could have gone on

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12 billion welfare cuts. Because these are questions that the

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Conservatives still... What about the point of maybe having a, you

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know, it doesn't always have to be a massive knock about. Come on, the

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economy, people talk about the economy lots. We are running out of

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time. I have no doubt it is just about Paul Goggins. Ed Miliband had

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lots of successes, it wasn't like he didn't know how to make this system

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work, I I know he had got to a stage of thinking "I've had enough of

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this. Even shouts at each other." We have to move on. Maybe they could do

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more on Foreign Affairs. So many international issues round, not one

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was raised today. Nick, thank you, you are off to make

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another documentary? I am having a rest! I will be a pie salesman.

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Simple Simon met a pie man. Any way what do Oasis and Nora Batty have in

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common, they are great northern icon, it is it time for icons to

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call Pickfords and up sticks to a northern city? Patrick Diamond who

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is a Labour councillor thinks so, and here is his soapbox.

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What happens when you move national treasures north? Well, this.

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The BBC's decision to shift iconic programmes to Salford has helped

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transform the Manchester docks into a 200 acre MediaCity. It is

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providing facilities and space to over 100 small and medium size

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businesses as well as ITV and the BBC. Help stimulating a burgeon

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north-west economy. -- burgeoning.

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Evidence suggests that UK MediaCity is having a positive effect on the

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creative economy of the north-west of England. It is exactly the this

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approach, public investment stimulating private sector

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entrepreneurship that we need more of in Britain. We should be looking

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for ways of repeating this project in different parts of the country.

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If Britain is going to move beyond the economic crisis to sustainable

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economic recovery we need to take bold and brave decisions.

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Since the 2008 economic crisis, growth has been even more heavily

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skewed towards London and the south-east of England. But if the

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BBC can look north, why shouldn't other cultural institutions do the

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same? Like the Royal Opera House. Or what about the British Museum, which

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could develop a presence outside the capital city? What about the House

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of Lords? Which makes the laws for the whole of the UK, why shouldn't

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it develop a much stronger regional presence?

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If we are going to ensure a brighter future for the north of England and

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a sustain sbl economic recovery it is time to rebalance Britain. There

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is lots of people and businesses in the north are doing for themselves,

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but we need more investments and we need more leadership. It is time to

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get away from the London-centric approach, it is time to look north.

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Well Patrick Diamond has come South Today. What is the primary

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motivation here? Is it for cultural reasons? Is it sending a signal to

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region lice big institution? There is two issue, one is about economic,

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we know since the economic crisis and the recovery which is under way,

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actually our economy is becoming more regionally inbalanced and we

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need to address that urgently, but there is a genuine issue about the

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balance of cultural funding, we spend ?69 per resident compared to

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4.60 on residents in the rest of the country, that is a deeply inbalanced

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skewing away from the rest of the country. Tourists Weiss, when you

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think about a global capital like London, don't that just make sense

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in way? Of course, in relation to cultural institution like the Opera

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House there will be some orientation to London, I accept that, but the

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question is about balance. I think that in the UK our economy and

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issues like the funding of cultural institutions have become too

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inbalanced and the question I want to explore is how can we address

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that to make it fair tore the rest of the UK. In you were running the

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Royal Opera House and you had to walk in and say guys, we have

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decided we are going to move up to Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, where

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ever it is, you would be prepared do that and feel it would happen

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easily, because these thins are not taken lightly. There are issues

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about the transition. I wouldn't want the Royal Opera House the leave

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London all together but there was a proposal to establish an Opera House

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in Manchester, it didn't come to fruition but it was a very good idea

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and it is something we should be looking to do in the future. If you

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look at the example of MediaCity in Salford, look at what it is doing,

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there are more than 100 small and medium size businesses, there is a

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burgeoning sector in the north-west. This is something we should be

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looking to encourage. Briefly, most people moved or a lot of people

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moved up there, how many jobs were created for people who lived in the

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local yaefr? There are issues about how the move was done. But it

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doesn't take away from the basic issue how can we use public

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investment to stimulate private sector end en-- entrepreneurship. Is

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London the be-all-and-end-all? Isn't even everything policically geared

:21:52.:21:54.

to making London that is the cash cow that is supposed to feed the

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rest of the country. It is significant and it will remain that

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way. Doesn't policy make it that way. But the pies racing an

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important issue. I was born in Rochdale, and I care very deeply

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about the whole north, and the issues, and they exist, so

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questions, how do we deal with it? One point important is Patrick said

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the situation got worse after the recession, the truth of it is this

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is something that Labour didn't address during their time in office.

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The situation got worse, including during the boom years. If you look

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at job, according to the ONS during Labour's period in office, for every

:22:37.:22:40.

ten jobs generated in the south there was only one job generated in

:22:41.:22:45.

the north. That may be -- made the inbalance much worse. Since then

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employment in the north is up by more than 200 thousand, it is up in

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every region, unemployment is down and we are using public money

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sensibly where we can to help generate jobs. Let me say two

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things, we should be careful. It is not just imbalances, it is within

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regions as well. Look at the disparity between areas in London.

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Secondly wro, can do the knock about, it is ridiculous to say we

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didn't do anything to push power down and out. Just a moment, we set

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up the Rio de Janeiro, on the whole well regarded, Lord Heseltine said

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it was a mistake for the Government to establish it. I think the move of

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the BBC is good. I am surprised you didn't mention what Vince Cable has

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done the investment bank in Edinburgh, those are good things but

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the local enterprise partnerships which are the main vehicle that the

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Government has put in place have been totesly insufficient, because

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they haven't been given appropriate budget or the power to help us deal

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with its. What would you move up to a northern city from London? It is

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not a question of moving jobs from one part of the sector to another.

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We need to be more ambitious and creative and the private sector is a

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key part. The issue is about how we use public investment.

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We are going to talk about political slogans. Before we do, have a look

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at this. # Everybody's talking at me. #

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Out in the "big society" is an enormous opportunity. What I have

:24:29.:24:31.

tried to set out with "one nation" a clear sense of where Britain will

:24:32.:24:36.

go. The Chancellor is going too far and too fast. Jobs are up.

:24:37.:24:40.

Construction is up. Manufacturing is up. Cutting too far and too fast. We

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are in a global race today. No-one owes us a living. Cost of living

:24:47.:24:53.

crisis. It is Labour that wrecks our economy. It is we Conservatives who

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clear it up! We are Britain. We are better than this.

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We are joined by Simon Danczuk, Labour MP. He said he's had enough

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of these phrases. What brought you to this? I was talking about all

:25:15.:25:22.

political parties. There is too many soundbites in politics. I am trying

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to do good public service. I am trying to save the public from

:25:27.:25:28.

having to listen to all this stuff. It is what people tell me on the

:25:29.:25:34.

street. Sajid is from Rochdale, if he knocked on doors saying, "We are

:25:35.:25:43.

all in this together," he would get short shrift. It reached a low point

:25:44.:25:57.

on the One Nation one. One Nation is a great concept. It is a concept -

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they should use it as a concept rather than a slogan. What do you

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say to him? There are times, particularly around 2001, when the

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height of so-called control freakery, where people became

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automotons. I don't think there's anything... Are you going to let me

:26:23.:26:30.

get a word in? You are speaking far too fast! Very good. I don't think

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there is anything wrong with slogans per se. If you crowbar it into

:26:35.:26:37.

everything and don't back it up with policy, that is a problem. We have

:26:38.:26:41.

backed it up with policy. It is not that kind of... See how much of

:26:42.:26:45.

these phrases - fill in the missing word. Labour isn't? Working. New

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Labour New? New Britain. No, New Labour, New Danger. Britain

:26:53.:26:58.

deserves? Better. Are you what we are thinking? Thinking what we are

:26:59.:27:07.

thinking? I agree with? Nick! Maggie, Maggie, Maggie... ? Out,

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out, out. Never had it... ? So good. Who was that? McMillan. What year?

:27:17.:27:25.

'64? No, '57. Alarm clock Britain from Nick Clegg. That did not...

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Only because it was so bad. I have a fear, I don't think you will win.

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Right. They love these phrases. You think so? Yes. A few of them were

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used in PMQs today. Sajid, someone has written in to say you used

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"tough decisions" at least twice. I do like that. In the north South

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piece, Chuka Umunna could have said "One Nation" and he didn't. You guys

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are keeping a tally. Here is the tally. LAUGHTER You will thank me

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for interrupting you now. Sajid had three slogans repeated in the course

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of the show. You, Chuka Umunna, had none! You get the Daily Politics

:28:12.:28:21.

mug. Another one! Two more and you have the full set! Good luck in your

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campaign. You can have a mug, too! Because you raised a good point.

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Time to put you out of your misery and give you the answer to Guess The

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Year. 1976 was the answer. Callaghan took over as Prime Minister from

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Wilson. The winner is? John Whitby in Cornwall. Hope you haven't been

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flooded out down there. That is it. We thank all our guests. The One

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O'Clock News is starting on BBC One. We will be back tomorrow at noon

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with the Daily Politics. From all of us here, bye-bye.

:28:55.:28:56.

Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn with live coverage of Prime Minister's Questions and the latest political news and debate. With Treasury minister Sajid Javid and shadow business secretary Chuka Umunna. The Guess the Year competition closes at 12.30pm during the live broadcast of this programme.


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