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Afternoon, folks. Welcome to The Daily Politics. | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
MPs have sharply criticised plans to allow Her Majesty's Revenue | :00:40. | :00:45. | |
and Customs to recover money directly from people's bank accounts | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
to pay tax bills. The Commons Treasury Committee says | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
it is very concerned because tax officials have | :00:51. | :00:57. | |
a history of making mistakes. Last time round, | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
the BNP were the talk of the town. This time they look like they are | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
heading for electoral oblivion. We will be talking to Nick Griffin. | :01:04. | :01:15. | |
Is this Labour's worst party election broadcast? | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
It has divided the membership. Tune in for analysis of the | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
"UNcredible shrinking man". And we will be launching | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
The Daily Politics political wheel. Have I Got News For You, | :01:28. | :01:29. | |
eat your heart out. Public service broadcasting at its | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
finest. All that in the next hour. | :01:35. | :01:46. | |
With us for the duration, two shy retiring types who do not | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
know what they think. Champion of the working class, | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
keen environmentalist, strident feminist, James Delingpole. | :01:52. | :01:52. | |
And libertarian, climate change sceptic, Owen Jones. | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
I may have got at the wrong way round, but you get the general... | :01:58. | :02:07. | |
Sold out already. Have not even started and they are off! | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
climate change sceptic, Owen Jones. First, a taxing issue. | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
In the budget in March, told the George Osborne handed | :02:14. | :02:15. | |
officials, some would say, draconian new powers to seize unpaid | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
taxes from the private bank accounts of thousands of ordinary people. | :02:19. | :02:20. | |
It was not commented on too much at the time. | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
of thousands of ordinary people. Today MPs have raised | :02:26. | :02:27. | |
the alarm. They fear officials at | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs could get their sums wrong and raid | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
the accounts of innocent people. And unsuspecting wives or husbands | :02:34. | :02:35. | |
could lose out because of an errant spouse. | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
Here is Mr Osborne announcing the policy in the House of Commons. | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
Here is Mr Osborne announcing the policy Public tolerance for | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
those who do not pay their fair share of apres to long ago. But we | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
had to wait for this government and there was proper action -- | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
evaporated long ago. Today we go further. I am increasing the budget | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
to tackle noncompliance. We will block transfers of profits between | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
companies within groups to avoid tax. We will increase the recovery | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
of debt for those of sufficient earnings. We will give HMRC powers | :03:15. | :03:22. | |
to collect from bank accounts like most other Western countries. That | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
was the bit at the end, people who had refused to pay tax, the | :03:28. | :03:30. | |
was the bit at the end, people who Government could go into their bank | :03:31. | :03:32. | |
accounts. In thes have said Government could go into their bank | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
make a mistake. Let me start with the principle. If you have not paid | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
your tax and you have been asked to repeatedly, is it right in principle | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
your tax and you have been asked to HMRC should be able to go into your | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
bank account? No. Tax avoidance is worth ?25 | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
bank account? No. Tax avoidance is this lack of... | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
bank account? No. Tax avoidance is has a long track record of making | :04:02. | :04:02. | |
mistakes. has a long track record of making | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
and balances, there is huge scope has a long track record of making | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
with people struggling and taking money away when they are already | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
struggling. We need to tackle the fact HMRC is not properly resourced. | :04:16. | :04:18. | |
We need to talk about the revolving door between the big four | :04:19. | :04:24. | |
accountancy firms who draw up tax laws and go to their clients and | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
tell them how to avoid them. The man who used to be head of HMIC is now | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
working for Deloitte. The likes of Amazon and global chilly Google do | :04:35. | :04:41. | |
not pay their taxes. -- and Google. The government needs an anti-tax | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
avoidance bill. It is an illiberal measure. I am liking Owen Jones | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
more. I think that this is measure. I am liking Owen Jones | :04:52. | :05:09. | |
Osborne trying to outflank Labour on big government vindictiveness. I | :05:10. | :05:11. | |
commend a piece big government vindictiveness. I | :05:12. | :05:17. | |
written by a man at the Adam Smith Institute today. There is | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
written by a man at the Adam Smith principle going back 800 years to | :05:21. | :05:20. | |
the principle going back 800 years to | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
cannot take things from you without common consent. It has got to go | :05:27. | :05:32. | |
cannot take things from you without account and get the money out | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
regardless, particularly given that a lot of the people who are | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
reluctant to pay their taxes to HMRC, it may be for good reasons. | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
Maybe their accountants have advised them that they have grounds and it | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
should be decided by the courts, not by HMRC. It would go in front of the | :05:48. | :05:55. | |
tax commissioners. It would go through due process. This is a | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
slippery slope. We will see a lot of this in the coming years, | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
governments trying to confiscate money by whatever means possible. I | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
am going to agree with James Delingpole again. Help me! There is | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
a problem of due process. HMRC are trying to sell the personal details | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
of millions of taxpayers at the moment. There is a petition to try | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
to stop it. We need the clamp-down on tax avoidance. Let us have due | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
process to confiscate money where people are refusing to pay tax. They | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
have to pay tax. Of course. But it is the between nature of what is | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
proposed. No one objects to people paying the taxes. We need far more | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
action on that. Let me move on before they start cuddling each | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
other in this outbreak of consensus here. | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
the policy in the House of Commons. Now, is this the worst party | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
political broadcast ever? No, of course it's not. | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
We have seen an awful lot of election broadcasts here at | :06:57. | :06:58. | |
The Daily Politics. Let me tell you, | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
the bar is not high. But Labour's latest film is | :07:02. | :07:03. | |
certainly proving controversial. Let's take a look. | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
This is the story of Nick Clegg, a man entrusted by a nation to act | :07:08. | :07:17. | |
upon the policies he proposed. But he soon became the UNcredible | :07:18. | :07:25. | |
shrinking man. He desperately tried to impress his new friends. He | :07:26. | :07:31. | |
noticed something most peculiar. Everything he stood for began to | :07:32. | :07:39. | |
shrink. Tax cuts. For millionaires. I think we should spare a thought | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
for the wealthy. I have a friend who was down to his last two yachts. Mr | :07:45. | :07:55. | |
Cameron! Who said that? Me. My gosh. The man has shrunk. He has actually | :07:56. | :08:02. | |
shrunk. What shall we do with him? Can we hunt him. Leave this to me. | :08:03. | :08:11. | |
Don't worry. I have an important job for you. Great. I would like you to | :08:12. | :08:24. | |
look after Socks. David! We are now joined by the Lib Dem peer Olly | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
Grender. How did it go down at Lib Dem headquarters? Not very well. As | :08:29. | :08:35. | |
you can imagine. I think it is furious that we have got this moment | :08:36. | :08:41. | |
about a European election and they've vertical vote. I think it is | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
critical. -- a critical vote. Here what we have is an attack. The pea | :08:47. | :08:55. | |
soup of core vote rather than extended argument -- the pursuit. | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
You do get knock-about in politics. You have to roll with that. Some may | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
find a surprise in that Labour would dedicate a full broadcast to | :09:08. | :09:14. | |
attacking Nick Clegg. They are there so we do not have the kind of | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
advertising you see in the US. It is for a good reason. They are free. | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
But there is an expectation you slightly lay out your stall. I did | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
not see that here. Douglas Alexander who I think is one of the people | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
running the Labour campaign for 2015, he said, we expect a campaign | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
of fear and smear from the Conservatives. What was that? This | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
is the problem. They will have everything thrown at them by the | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
Conservatives and Lynton Crosby. They will be able to point to this | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
video. What is depressing and I wrote about it yesterday... I read | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
about it in the Guardian. It should be offering a message of hope. It | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
does mean taking on the record of the Lib Dems, but you have to at | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
least balance it out with an alternative vision. How are you | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
doing with the housing crisis, falling living standards? Tony Benn | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
used to say it is about the issue is not the personalities. There was a | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
lack of that in the video. This is an attack. A British version of an | :10:24. | :10:30. | |
American-style attack ad at the kind that was done on Mitt Romney. Do | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
they work? I thought it was funny. I like it for a number of reasons. I | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
love the line about, can we hunt him? The character playing David | :10:42. | :10:44. | |
Cameron was brilliant. It was a pastiche of the Harry Enfield | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
sketch, woman, know your place. I also like it because it is making | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
politics interesting. This is a class war attack. It is presenting | :10:55. | :11:01. | |
the Conservatives as toffs who do not care, do not know what NHS | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
stands for. It is absurd even how much David Cameron bangs on about | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
our NHS. And how much he used it personally. This is all to the good. | :11:12. | :11:18. | |
We on the right see the enemy plane in view. The Labour Party have gone | :11:19. | :11:25. | |
very hard left. Come on! By supporting George Osborne was not | :11:26. | :11:32. | |
spending plans -- George Osborne's spending plans? You quite like | :11:33. | :11:38. | |
American-style politics where it is dirty and mean and it is about | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
personalities. I think people in this country do not want it. They | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
want it about the issues and politics. The one thing that maybe | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
they need to start including if there is going to be an attack like | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
this is Ed Miliband saying, I have seen this broadcast and I approved | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
it. It would be embarrassing to ask Ed Miliband... The public purse has | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
paid quite a lot of money to Ed Miliband over recent years to | :12:04. | :12:06. | |
develop policies for his party. I would like to know where they are. | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
An important point is about who has endorsed it. We have tried to get | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
Labour people to come on and defended but they have not done it. | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
I have Douglas Alexander on the programme on the Sunday Politics | :12:22. | :12:29. | |
this Sunday at 11am. He tweeted it. He has to defend it. It is his | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
campaign. He suggested it was more him. What do you make about James's | :12:36. | :12:42. | |
point about the class war aspect of this? I am not interested in | :12:43. | :12:50. | |
people's backgrounds. The problem in politics generally is that it is an | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
representative. Looking at the whole parliament, there are a lack of | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
working-class people. The Tories are worse but it is not great in the Lib | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
Dems. There are no ethnic minority members of the Liberal Democrats. | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
Not many women. Labour have a problem as well. Talk about policies | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
about tax justice and making people pay taxes and income and | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
distributing wealth and power. I do not think personal pop shots work. I | :13:15. | :13:26. | |
do not believe in it either. I do not like this game, this divisive | :13:27. | :13:34. | |
approach to society where we have to say the up against... It not about | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
that. That is what the video was saying. I do not like the video. I | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
said to Hazel blears before the election, why didn't they deal with | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
the will social housing waiting list question what she said that no one | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
was interested in housing. What that says to me is that you do not have | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
people on the lists in selected for parliament, it is less likely to be | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
addressed. It is hard to come from Salford and said that there is no | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
interest in housing. The Lib Dems came back with a reply to this. It | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
is your own attack advert. Let us have a look at this. | :14:11. | :14:33. | |
No expense spared! A little YouTube number. The point you are trying to | :14:34. | :14:43. | |
make is that on the European issues, Mr Miliband. At. Attacking | :14:44. | :14:53. | |
Nick Clegg is a curious stance. Surely they want to hold on to the | :14:54. | :15:01. | |
leftish Lib Dem voters who have moved to Labour. Someone said this | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
week that there are few messages that are appealing to the south of | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
England. This demonstrates that. I want to put something else up on the | :15:11. | :15:13. | |
screen. This is another Labour advert. There it is. It is about Mr | :15:14. | :15:26. | |
Clegg and Mr Cameron who put ?450 extra VAT on your shopping bill. | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
Spot the deliberate mistake. They think there is VAT on food. Almost | :15:32. | :15:41. | |
every item does not have VAT X macro that is unfortunate. That is fairly | :15:42. | :15:51. | |
recent. You have to be fairly out of touch to not know that. The Lib Dems | :15:52. | :16:00. | |
campaign on stopping the VAT bombshell. I think it captures | :16:01. | :16:08. | |
perfectly the lamer choose of the Lib Dems generally. -- the lameness. | :16:09. | :16:18. | |
I love how it completely damns the Lib Dems. The best shot they have is | :16:19. | :16:24. | |
that they are saying, we are the only party that takes the UKIP | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
menace seriously. Defining yourself against the most popular would-be | :16:30. | :16:35. | |
MP... If only he had put himself before the electorate. Good luck to | :16:36. | :16:43. | |
any party who defends himself. Or who is in favour of Europe. Give | :16:44. | :16:51. | |
Owen a call for advice on any posters will stop it is quite | :16:52. | :16:57. | |
remarkable, but anyway. Now for the latest in our series | :16:58. | :17:05. | |
of political thinkers. Today it's the turn of | :17:06. | :17:07. | |
Peter Kropotkin. Giles went to meet his champion, Tom | :17:08. | :17:09. | |
Hogkinson of the Idler magazine. I will make a net that most people | :17:10. | :17:39. | |
think they know what an anarchist is and would not expect to find out | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
about one at the Royal geographical Society in London. I'm here in | :17:45. | :17:55. | |
Kensington to meet the editor of the Idler magazine. He thinks he can | :17:56. | :17:57. | |
tell us how to live our lives better. How are you? Why have I come | :17:58. | :18:04. | |
to the Royal geographic Society to find out about an anarchist? | :18:05. | :18:13. | |
Kropotkin was a fascinating character. In his 20s he became an | :18:14. | :18:20. | |
Explorer. He did trips across the mountains of Siberia which he wrote | :18:21. | :18:27. | |
up in his learn it journals and he created fantastic and beautiful maps | :18:28. | :18:30. | |
which are still in use today. Later in life, he became the foremost | :18:31. | :18:36. | |
proponent of anarchism as a social theory. Why'd you like him so much? | :18:37. | :18:44. | |
I was researching a book which was trying to find out how we can inject | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
more freedom in to our everyday lives. I wrote a populist book about | :18:50. | :19:02. | |
it. The first half of his book is about cooperation between animals | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
and then it is about human beings, and is full of ideas about how we | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
can improve our relationships and take control of our lives. If you | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
think this is a funny place to find an anarchist philosopher, let me | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
show you where he lived when he lived in England. Let do that will. | :19:18. | :19:29. | |
When you said let's come and see where he lives, I did not think we | :19:30. | :19:35. | |
would end up in suburban Bromley. There is a blue plaque. What is his | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
theory of anarchism? He is against authority in whatever form it might | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
exist will stop he is against the tyrannical power of the state which | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
forces citizens to do things they do not want to do. He is against big | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
business because companies force their employees to do things they do | :19:55. | :20:00. | |
not want to do. State and big corporations take away our | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
individual freedoms. We have become used to anarchist meaning Moloch off | :20:05. | :20:14. | |
cocktails and direct action. This theorist says Kropotkin was a | :20:15. | :20:21. | |
likeable man, worthy of respect. What people liked about Kropotkin | :20:22. | :20:24. | |
was that he practised what he preached. He lived the kind of life | :20:25. | :20:30. | |
he thought anarchists and mole people should live. -- moral people. | :20:31. | :20:41. | |
I could not take you to Russia but there is a Russian restaurant in | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
London that will do. The Russia we are talking about was writing in the | :20:46. | :20:52. | |
late 19th century. Is it relevant? It is strikingly relevant because a | :20:53. | :20:55. | |
lot of the problems our experience today. We complain about not | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
enjoying our work and being stuck in a boring job, and people want to | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
escape from it. The complain about a government that we think has become | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
too big and controlling. His idea, really, was to take responsibility | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
and this is something we can do today. We can take power back. It | :21:15. | :21:20. | |
could be something like growing your own vegetables or organising a | :21:21. | :21:22. | |
cricket match with the neighbours will stop or making your own clothes | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
and mending them stop these creative act are the ideas we need to bring | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
back into our lives today. It is not just enjoying yourselves, it is | :21:33. | :21:39. | |
because he wants a better society. He thinks that is better for | :21:40. | :21:58. | |
everybody. Excellent! They do get around, don't they? | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
And the Editor of the Idler magazine Tom Hodgkinson is here. | :22:02. | :22:04. | |
Did he have much influence at the time was to mark --? Socialism was | :22:05. | :22:16. | |
influenced by Kropotkin's ideas. He called him a great White Christ | :22:17. | :22:26. | |
coming from Russia. He was a big influence. Did that influence have | :22:27. | :22:33. | |
any practical effect or did it go with his departure? It had the | :22:34. | :22:40. | |
practical effect of affecting wild political philosophy. Idler did not | :22:41. | :22:48. | |
call it anarchism will stop at his essay was read by political thinkers | :22:49. | :22:51. | |
and it would have influenced people like Orwell and the anarchists in | :22:52. | :23:01. | |
Spain. Would it have worked? It has worked briefly in little moments. | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
One thing that Kropotkin liked was the medieval citystate system, and | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
this is before we had nations, and before we had big governments. Like | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
Venice and Florence, and London now! Yet! He loved the idea that a new | :23:17. | :23:23. | |
kind of radical bourgeois culture was coming out of the countryside, | :23:24. | :23:29. | |
removing itself from nobles, building their own cities, and | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
governing themselves. Self-government communes. Up and | :23:33. | :23:41. | |
down the river, these cities sprung up in the 11th and 12 century. In | :23:42. | :23:51. | |
the 15th century, the rise of the nation occurred and when governments | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
get out of hand, Hitler and Stalin at here. Is there a big difference | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
between anarchism and libertarianism? This guy sounds like | :24:00. | :24:08. | |
my kind of man. He does not like big government or corporations those are | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
the big problems in our society. Where would he give from a | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
libertarian like me? I am not sure how libertarian you are but I think | :24:19. | :24:27. | |
one of the problems with libertarianism... Take for example | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
the silicon valley libertarianism, the people that run Facebook, they | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
have an extreme version of it, and they do not want any control on | :24:39. | :24:41. | |
their behaviour. That can lead to immoral behaviour, especially with | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
new industry like the Internet which needs regulation. There can be a | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
role for the government to hold back from the excesses of that kind of | :24:51. | :24:58. | |
commercial freedom. He emphasises mutual aid and how people can help | :24:59. | :25:04. | |
each other. That is what I like about Kropotkin, he is optimistic | :25:05. | :25:10. | |
and warm, and agrees that we are not all selfish and out for each other. | :25:11. | :25:19. | |
He has a sense that, actually, we are social animals, and we depend on | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
each other, and you can build a society together and work together | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
collectively, but without the tyranny of the state. That is nice. | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
I think one day in the future, centuries from now, I think it is | :25:33. | :25:35. | |
depressing that we will all be languishing under a state, under | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
authority where we cannot trust each other and we have to be protected | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
from each other. We have gross inequalities between wealth and | :25:45. | :25:47. | |
power, and while I do not agree it is a practical blueprint, it is a | :25:48. | :25:57. | |
nice thought. My dream libertarian age the Victorian age -- is the | :25:58. | :26:08. | |
Victorian age. There was a fine tradition of philanthropy, the | :26:09. | :26:15. | |
government was much smaller, the economy was driving. What was the | :26:16. | :26:18. | |
life expectancy in the Victorian age? -- thriving. That is not true, | :26:19. | :26:33. | |
actually! There was a lot of good stuff in the Victorian age but we | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
have to look at the facts, and the fact was that it was the government | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
who introduced things like the ten hour working day. In the early 1800, | :26:43. | :26:49. | |
women and children were literally dying because they were working so | :26:50. | :26:56. | |
much. It was unregulated, the labour market. The government did do some | :26:57. | :27:03. | |
good there. Employers want staff to die on the job, they think, but they | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
do not. You find that business has an interest in looking after | :27:10. | :27:12. | |
employers will stop the great myth of the Left is that the government | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
does not have to step in on time. No, no! It was Lord Shaftesbury who | :27:17. | :27:22. | |
introduced limitations on the working day. Fair enough. I am not | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
saying there is no room for the government but the work of | :27:28. | :27:32. | |
catalysts... We live in a society where most people in poverty are in | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
work and the tax payer is subsidising poverty. Instead of big | :27:38. | :27:43. | |
government subsidising those employers, let's have a wage that | :27:44. | :27:49. | |
reduces the burden on the tax payer. It is the same with housing. We | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
subsidised private landlords, we subsidised companies, big | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
corporations, industry, education. So, let's have a society where we do | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
not have that. What-macro hold that bought because we have to move on | :28:05. | :28:05. | |
and we may cover some of that. Now, talking of political thinkers, | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
we've got two quite large ones So we thought we'd play | :28:10. | :28:12. | |
Political Roulette. A sort of poor man's | :28:13. | :28:23. | |
"Have I Got News For You" device. Yes, we have a series of hot topics | :28:24. | :28:26. | |
on the Daily Politics wheel. And we want you to discuss | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
as many of them as we can. One of you press that button to get | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
it spinning and press it again when you want it to stop! Press the | :28:36. | :28:53. | |
button. This is a smooth operation! As you can see, we are new to this | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
and have I got news for you is not in any danger. Press the button, | :28:59. | :29:08. | |
started spinning. Press it again. The economy. I will say to you that | :29:09. | :29:16. | |
living standards are rising, unemployment is falling. The Tories | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
said they would pay off the debt, but they have added more debt. They | :29:23. | :29:25. | |
said it would wipe out the deficit but they will be lucky to get | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
through half. As for growth, the worst economic recovery since, not | :29:30. | :29:37. | |
the great depression, but the longest recovery since the Victorian | :29:38. | :29:44. | |
age. The longest fall in living standards since Victoria sat on the | :29:45. | :29:51. | |
throne. People will be poorer than they were in 2015 than they were in | :29:52. | :29:58. | |
2010. Despite having written that things are going to get better, and | :29:59. | :30:06. | |
this generation has -- never had it so good, I would have to concede. | :30:07. | :30:10. | |
This is a feeble recovery and it is driven by quantitive easing, which | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
is creating this room. This enables the rich get richer. The housing | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
bubble. A housing bubble, I do not think it is a real recovery, and I | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
worry that the worst is yet to come and we are going to have something | :30:27. | :30:32. | |
horrible to happen. Nevertheless, it is a vindication of having not | :30:33. | :30:44. | |
joined the euro. They cheated! I wanted to get climate change will | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
stop I can happily talk about UKIP. It is very exciting. Some polls seem | :30:50. | :30:55. | |
to be suggesting they are almost 40%. Question Time... Namely poll. | :30:56. | :31:18. | |
-- named the poll. James Delingpole! It was dominated by Nigel Farage. | :31:19. | :31:24. | |
The audience was all over him. They thought he was fantastic. He is | :31:25. | :31:30. | |
different. Will they come first in the European elections? Yes. And | :31:31. | :31:36. | |
other public schoolboy who worked in the City. He trades on the | :31:37. | :31:42. | |
antiestablishment. That is the reality of it. The problem with UKIP | :31:43. | :31:49. | |
is they are deflecting people's anger at real problems. 5 million | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
people on social housing waiting lists, not because of immigrants, | :31:55. | :31:59. | |
but because of the Government not building housing. We have a lack of | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
skilled jobs, not because of immigrants, but because successive | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
governments... Why are they doing so well? The polls of UKIP motors, very | :32:10. | :32:16. | |
different opinions than James Delingpole. They want to | :32:17. | :32:22. | |
renationalise energy, rail, they want to tax the rich. They are seen | :32:23. | :32:30. | |
as up yours, immigration is the big issue driving it. Your turn. Press | :32:31. | :32:43. | |
it again. Cameron. Where do I start? Give me that. Do it again. Climate | :32:44. | :33:01. | |
change. I am surrounded by two powerful believers in the consensus. | :33:02. | :33:07. | |
We have seen a fascinating report, the... The IPCC report. In a sense, | :33:08. | :33:13. | |
it makes for depressing reading because if we do not deal with the | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
threat of climate change, we will have more extreme weather, drought, | :33:18. | :33:24. | |
floods, so one. The key point is it is an opportunity for jobs and for | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
growth. If we in Britain have a mass insulation programme of homes and | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
businesses, good for fuel poverty and the environment. We lost | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
industries, we do not want to send people down the mines, like Germany, | :33:39. | :33:44. | |
we could have hundreds of thousands of renewable energy jobs. Whilst it | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
might look bleak, great opportunity for jobs and the economy. We should | :33:48. | :33:53. | |
get to work on it. I am a great believer in climate change will stop | :33:54. | :33:56. | |
it has been changing for the last 4.5 billion worth years -- 4.5 | :33:57. | :34:04. | |
billion years. There have been other warming periods where people were | :34:05. | :34:06. | |
billion years. There have been other not flying around in jets or | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
billion years. There have been other in four x fours. In its own way, the | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
climate was capable of changing. We are just coming out of the Little | :34:15. | :34:22. | |
ice age which ended in 1850. In the recent warming and the warming the | :34:23. | :34:26. | |
IPCC has concentrated on, from the mid to early 70s, man has played no | :34:27. | :34:33. | |
role in that? It has played a tiny role. What percentage? Less than | :34:34. | :34:45. | |
half the warming. That is not tiny. In the last 150 years, global | :34:46. | :34:49. | |
half the warming. That is not tiny. temperatures have risen by 0.8 | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
half the warming. That is not tiny. degrees. Do you think the scientific | :34:55. | :34:56. | |
consensus is wrong degrees. Do you think the scientific | :34:57. | :35:01. | |
in terms of drought and extreme weather patterns? I love this appeal | :35:02. | :35:08. | |
to authority. Scientists know what they are talking about. | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
to authority. Scientists know what Ph.D. In it. Again, the appeal to | :35:13. | :35:17. | |
authority. A lot of the scientists are actually green activists. They | :35:18. | :35:25. | |
work for Greenpeace, the WWF. Many are actually green activists. They | :35:26. | :35:31. | |
respected scientists dispute the claims of the IPC 's. They said this | :35:32. | :35:39. | |
about HIV and AIDS. It is also an economic question. I am making a | :35:40. | :35:48. | |
point. Even if you accept that the climate is warming slightly, you | :35:49. | :35:51. | |
have to ask yourself, are the measures being taken to deal with | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
what so far seems to be a slight problem? Are they causing more harm | :35:56. | :36:00. | |
than good? I would argue that they are. | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
than good? I would argue that they you said. 50% of the climate | :36:04. | :36:10. | |
change... It is less than that. What is your explanation for the pause in | :36:11. | :36:18. | |
temperature rises is your explanation for the pause in | :36:19. | :36:21. | |
years? It is climate change. is your explanation for the pause in | :36:22. | :36:22. | |
is the long view. is your explanation for the pause in | :36:23. | :36:29. | |
projections over the coming years. is your explanation for the pause in | :36:30. | :36:33. | |
The computers never predicted this pause. Again, if you look at the | :36:34. | :36:39. | |
consensus over the last few years, pause. Again, if you look at the | :36:40. | :36:43. | |
what we see at the moment is that we are ready seeing the impact of | :36:44. | :36:48. | |
climate change with extreme weather events, and impact particularly in | :36:49. | :36:51. | |
many third World countries, an increase in flooding, things like | :36:52. | :36:56. | |
hurricane 's. We are de seeing the impact. It is not something to be | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
frightened about. Do you accept these extreme weather events must | :37:01. | :37:04. | |
have something to do with climate change? Extreme weather events go on | :37:05. | :37:10. | |
in the world and there will be tomorrow. Extreme weather happens | :37:11. | :37:13. | |
all of the time. People like Owen love to fetishise the IPCC. The men | :37:14. | :37:23. | |
in the white lab coats. It has become like a religion and these are | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
the high priests. The economic damage is worrying. We will leave it | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
there. I enjoy that. Now, this is the season | :37:34. | :37:40. | |
of election launches and today it's the turn of the Trade | :37:41. | :37:43. | |
Union and Socialist Coalition. They have more than 500 candidates | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
standing in the local elections. Let's take a look at one | :37:47. | :37:48. | |
of their election videos. Cuts! No! I am standing for TUSC in | :37:49. | :37:59. | |
Tower Hamlets. Why should we have to pay for the mistakes of the bankers? | :38:00. | :38:06. | |
I am standing to be a TUSC candidate in the Lewisham are. I am at the | :38:07. | :38:14. | |
conference for the simple reason I believe this is the start of | :38:15. | :38:18. | |
something monumental. I believe this is the start of a working people | :38:19. | :38:24. | |
getting political, active and also having an alternative voice to | :38:25. | :38:31. | |
Labour when Labour decide one central to sever links with the | :38:32. | :38:36. | |
trade unions. We are joined by the national chair of the Trade Union | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
and Socialist Coalition. It is good to have a moderate on the programme | :38:40. | :38:47. | |
at last! I take it from that video that the party's concentration is | :38:48. | :38:54. | |
overwhelmingly on what you think of the cuts and austerity. That is | :38:55. | :39:00. | |
right. Three quarters of our candidates are active trade | :39:01. | :39:03. | |
unionists and very senior people. We have also got a lot of anti-bedroom | :39:04. | :39:11. | |
tax campaigners, anti-fracking campaigners, anti-cuts campaigners. | :39:12. | :39:16. | |
We have some people who have already made history. We have Lord Dixon | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
whose Heckel started the process that led to the new Hillsborough | :39:21. | :39:28. | |
inquest. We are tackling austerity and cuts. You are contesting 559 | :39:29. | :39:37. | |
seats in 87 cities. What would be a good result for you? I will give you | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
the same answer as when you asked before. We have only been going for | :39:43. | :39:49. | |
years. Do you have any councils at the moment? I have just come from a | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
press conference where a councillor who was expelled by the Labour Party | :39:54. | :39:57. | |
a few months ago for voting against the closure of a swimming pool in | :39:58. | :40:03. | |
his ward, he was sat by me at the press conference because he is | :40:04. | :40:05. | |
standing for us for re-election. Like I said before, when you are | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
starting from scratch and you have not got big money behind you, let us | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
remember, the unions has given Labour third of a third of ?1 | :40:15. | :40:18. | |
billion and they have less influence now than the poor in the early part | :40:19. | :40:23. | |
of the 19th century. It is visibility we are after to try to | :40:24. | :40:27. | |
get the alternative message out. You get some backing from the RMT. Yes. | :40:28. | :40:37. | |
Will that continue now that Bob Crow has passed away? His passing was a | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
tremendous shock. He was a driving force. But the RMT is a democratic | :40:43. | :40:48. | |
union and has twice had an annual conference of delegates around the | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
country and the conference has decided to back the coalition and | :40:53. | :40:55. | |
its representatives are drawn from the whole executives. Owen Jones's | :40:56. | :41:04. | |
father... I remember his dad very well. What can you say to him to get | :41:05. | :41:13. | |
him to join you? He has made excellent points. Our difference | :41:14. | :41:17. | |
really is that we have already reached a conclusion like the | :41:18. | :41:20. | |
counsellor I have been speaking about in Southampton. You have two | :41:21. | :41:26. | |
chances daily macro choices in the Labour Party. You vote for cuts or | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
if you vote against them like in Hull and other places, Labour is | :41:31. | :41:37. | |
expelling councillors. I want to be on their side. He won spectator | :41:38. | :41:45. | |
magazine's backbencher of the year. He is a very principled man and lots | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
of people involved... Why are you not with him? My dad was a militant. | :41:51. | :41:57. | |
My great uncle, he was on the football team of the Independent | :41:58. | :42:00. | |
Labour Party in the 1930s. They left the Labour Party and they dwindled | :42:01. | :42:07. | |
into insignificance. That has been the story of every attempt to set up | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
a new left party, unafraid. The question I put two people setting up | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
a left party is that why given every single other attempt having failed | :42:18. | :42:25. | |
why will it be different? The early period is hard. The leader of the | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
first party up in Scotland... UKIP when they stood initially got 1.7%. | :42:32. | :42:42. | |
We have been averaging 5%, 6%, in council elections. I am confident | :42:43. | :42:45. | |
that given the choice, Labour, Tories, Liberal Democrats, there is | :42:46. | :42:52. | |
an alternative. I do not disagree that it is a hard job. We will have | :42:53. | :42:55. | |
to leave it there. of their election videos. | :42:56. | :43:01. | |
Andrew Breitbart, not a household name here, but | :43:02. | :43:04. | |
across the pond, he was renowned, or notorious, depending on which side | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
of the political spectrum use it. A leading right-wing blogger, | :43:10. | :43:12. | |
he was at the forefront of digital media, breaking high-profile stories | :43:13. | :43:14. | |
of political scandal and helping to develop the Huffington Post. | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
Before his early death two years ago, he established the Breitbart | :43:20. | :43:21. | |
news website which has now just launched in | :43:22. | :43:27. | |
the UK, featuring James Delingpole. Giles Dilnot paid them | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
a visit to have a look at the latest in online-only journalism. | :43:32. | :43:37. | |
It started life as Boris wants said as wiff-waff, became ping-pong and | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
officially table tennis. The back and forth his political news. The | :43:44. | :43:51. | |
quirky. Abu Hamza tucks into a doughnut. Breibart London may be | :43:52. | :44:00. | |
coming from the editor's flat, but it is another voice online doing | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
serious business in what rather dated Lee is referred to as the | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
blogosphere. It is not just filing copy, Breibart is batting with a | :44:10. | :44:17. | |
spin. We do not hide it. It is very obvious. It should be obvious when | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
you hit the front page. If not, we are doing a bad job. But it is | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
fact. We are serving a market which is fed up of buying newspapers and | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
getting press releases. Traditional media have spent the last year aping | :44:31. | :44:36. | |
online political news because they are serious competition. Looking at | :44:37. | :44:39. | |
the national newspapers, they are covering stories from three or four | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
days ago. What is the hold-up? They have to deal | :44:45. | :44:50. | |
days ago. What is the hold-up? They pages. We do not have that. The | :44:51. | :44:56. | |
agility is at the offices of Vice.com where the freedom of the | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
internet and its ability not to be bound to old formats or loyalties is | :45:01. | :45:06. | |
tricky for politicians. One of the freedoms we have that other | :45:07. | :45:09. | |
organisations we have that have existed for longer and in a more | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
conservative space, we do not necessarily have to behave in the | :45:14. | :45:20. | |
same manner as the BBC or the Times. Perhaps it would be more risky for | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
politicians to come and get into bed with this, as it were. Political | :45:26. | :45:31. | |
Scrapbook sees politics as better for the online challenge. The reason | :45:32. | :45:37. | |
politicians do not like the blog is clear is that it has democratised | :45:38. | :45:42. | |
access to information -- the blogosphere. There | :45:43. | :45:45. | |
access to information -- the an open secret in Westminster a | :45:46. | :45:47. | |
couple of years ago that 250 people knew about. The difference now is | :45:48. | :45:55. | |
lid on that information. It has opened it up to anybody with an | :45:56. | :46:00. | |
internet connection. They all agree that nobody involved knows how big | :46:01. | :46:02. | |
internet connection. They all agree online media is going to be except | :46:03. | :46:04. | |
that it is not a fad. If online media is going to be except | :46:05. | :46:07. | |
not sure, you can bet that online media is going to be except | :46:08. | :46:11. | |
politicians and old media do not have a clue. James you are involved | :46:12. | :46:21. | |
with this. It has become fundamentally uninspiring, | :46:22. | :46:25. | |
with this. It has become going to shake things up? | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
with this. It has become long time. It is the greatest | :46:30. | :46:35. | |
with this. It has become invention of the printing press. | :46:36. | :46:37. | |
Information is You start from a low base in the UK, | :46:38. | :46:42. | |
don't you? You start from a low base in the UK, | :46:43. | :46:48. | |
expectations. This is exciting. Old media is dying on its feet and new | :46:49. | :46:55. | |
media is a new thing. One of the reasons is that it can get onto | :46:56. | :46:59. | |
stories more quickly and also, it also circumvents the way that the | :47:00. | :47:09. | |
Left has occupied the universities, the schools, the newspapers. Right | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
wingers can get round that. I would give you one example. Climate gate, | :47:14. | :47:20. | |
that story would not have broken without the Internet. Most of the | :47:21. | :47:27. | |
information about that is on the Internet. In this country, is there | :47:28. | :47:34. | |
a left wing equivalent of Breitbart? You saw Political Scrapbook which is | :47:35. | :47:47. | |
an equivalent. The problem is this idea that the traditional media is | :47:48. | :47:53. | |
dominated by the left. It does not resonate with me. It depends on the | :47:54. | :47:59. | |
definition of left. There are lots of left blog is, certainly. If you | :48:00. | :48:05. | |
look at the Guardian, that gets 100 million hit. -- hits. That gives a | :48:06. | :48:15. | |
platform to a variety of voices on the left, and the right as well stop | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
rather than stick with the dead tree press... The Guardian is the | :48:20. | :48:26. | |
second-biggest website in the world! Rather than sticking with the dead | :48:27. | :48:32. | |
tree press, why do you not do a British Breitbart of the left? I | :48:33. | :48:40. | |
will tell you why I do not agree. One contributed to Breitbart in the | :48:41. | :48:45. | |
USA, he treated that if there is another terrorism attack in the USA, | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
all Muslims should be slaughtered in the street. I do not think that | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
style of politics, that extreme it is, is helpful. -- extremism. The | :48:55. | :49:02. | |
danger of Breitbart is that it becomes the lowest common to. You | :49:03. | :49:09. | |
said that every time you speak, 1000 new Socialists are born. Is that | :49:10. | :49:16. | |
right? Did that come out of my mouth? Ultimately, the facts of life | :49:17. | :49:26. | |
are of Conservative, and this is what the Internet shows. People have | :49:27. | :49:32. | |
an appetite for ideas, and not just... Sorry, we are going to have | :49:33. | :49:42. | |
to move on. The success of the BNP, the British National party, in the | :49:43. | :49:45. | |
last election. They won two seats in the North of England. Since then, | :49:46. | :49:49. | |
their fortunes have declined and they looked to be cruising for a | :49:50. | :49:54. | |
bruising this time around. In a moment, we will talk to the party | :49:55. | :49:58. | |
leader, Nick Griffin. He was a flavour of their latest campaign | :49:59. | :50:04. | |
video. Can I make something clear to you? UKIP is not against | :50:05. | :50:08. | |
immigration. We welcome immigration and want immigration. | :50:09. | :50:24. | |
# Tell them where to go by voting BNP. | :50:25. | :50:30. | |
# That is it, that is all you are allowed to see. It has been | :50:31. | :50:36. | |
censored. The powers that be say it is because we break off, rules. We | :50:37. | :50:41. | |
think it is because the message of hope is out of kilter with the | :50:42. | :50:49. | |
agenda of making British people a minority in this country. -- OFCOM. | :50:50. | :50:58. | |
You are in terminal decline, aren't you? That video, which the BBC | :50:59. | :51:08. | |
censored... Actually, it was OFCOM. No, it was OFCOM. It does not | :51:09. | :51:14. | |
matter. It does. It has been seen by thousands of people. It is the most | :51:15. | :51:22. | |
popular British political broadcast in history, it is gone by wilful | :51:23. | :51:28. | |
Ain 2007, you've got 200,000 votes. After the local elections, you had | :51:29. | :51:32. | |
55 councillors. You now have two, why did you lose your seats? You are | :51:33. | :51:37. | |
doing it again. We are not down to two councillors. We have dozens in | :51:38. | :51:42. | |
the North of England. Parish and town council is working hard for | :51:43. | :51:46. | |
their community. We have not got the seats where people are paid for | :51:47. | :51:49. | |
working as a councillor. When we stand in those, the Labour Party | :51:50. | :51:54. | |
rolls out electoral fraud campaigns and the BBC covered it up. If it is | :51:55. | :52:01. | |
our fault that you have lost most of your councillors, is it our fault | :52:02. | :52:06. | |
that you got 55 in the first place? I did not say it was your fault, I | :52:07. | :52:11. | |
said it was the BBC's fault for covering up electoral fraud. Who's | :52:12. | :52:18. | |
fault is it that your membership has collapsed? Again, I would love to | :52:19. | :52:26. | |
blame the BBC because if you do not pay or BBC licence, you put in | :52:27. | :52:31. | |
prison. I cannot do that. How much is it to join the BMP? A full | :52:32. | :52:40. | |
membership is ?90. Unemployed, ?60. You have lost almost 10,000 members | :52:41. | :52:53. | |
in recent years. Our membership has gone down in recent years, so has | :52:54. | :53:02. | |
other parties. The BBC should be talking about this issue. We have a | :53:03. | :53:06. | |
system in Britain where people are sacked, fired and discriminated | :53:07. | :53:09. | |
against because of their beliefs. That is a scandal. Are you to blame | :53:10. | :53:15. | |
for the party's decline? My members do not think so. There are always | :53:16. | :53:21. | |
people who fall out, who are sacked for some reason. That is politics. I | :53:22. | :53:27. | |
was in charge of the party's electoral rise, I have seen it | :53:28. | :53:30. | |
through the hard times, we were massively in debt, and we are now in | :53:31. | :53:35. | |
the black. We will still be here in the future. You have fallen out with | :53:36. | :53:40. | |
senior members, you have been declared bankrupt in January as | :53:41. | :53:45. | |
well, is it not time to let someone else have a go? My members say that | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
the legal debt which bankrupted me were rung up because the British | :53:50. | :53:55. | |
government attacked the BNP with the equality commission, and I was right | :53:56. | :54:01. | |
to defend that case, so my members do not care if I am bankrupt. A lot | :54:02. | :54:05. | |
of people have come to me, ordinary people, and said, I am bankrupt, | :54:06. | :54:12. | |
Nick, can you give me some advice? In recent years, you have tried to | :54:13. | :54:15. | |
make the party seem more respectable. I have looked at your | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
website and Signor manifesto. The top issue, you talk about austerity. | :54:21. | :54:33. | |
-- your manifesto. You talk about adding the burger. Is that your top | :54:34. | :54:44. | |
issue? -- banning the burka. In this country, there is a steady | :54:45. | :54:52. | |
Islamisation, and the burka is a symbol of that. We make a point of | :54:53. | :54:57. | |
resisting it for symbolic reasons and many people agree with me. Why | :54:58. | :55:02. | |
are you still alerting and consorting with neo-Nazis? Such as? | :55:03. | :55:11. | |
You spoke at an explicitly neo-Nazi press conference in January. No, it | :55:12. | :55:17. | |
is not! The leader is in custody on suspicion of murder. No, he is not! | :55:18. | :55:26. | |
That is utter rubbish. You asked me about Golding Dawn, and the leader | :55:27. | :55:37. | |
is imprisoned. -- Golden Dawn. As for them being neo-Nazis, they are | :55:38. | :55:45. | |
descended from the only people to resist Nazi occupation of Greece at | :55:46. | :55:49. | |
the start of the Second World War, thereby saving Russia and the West | :55:50. | :55:53. | |
from Nazi domination. I am not neo-Nazi. When we see Golden Dawn | :55:54. | :56:00. | |
with Nazi insignia and giving Hitler salutes, they are not Nazis? If you | :56:01. | :56:04. | |
studied the history, you would know that that salute was used by young | :56:05. | :56:10. | |
Greeks who went off to fight and die when they were killing young | :56:11. | :56:19. | |
fascists and Nazis. There is the German neo-Nazi group that you spoke | :56:20. | :56:25. | |
at. They are not neo-Nazi. Being neo-Nazi is illegal in Germany and | :56:26. | :56:31. | |
they would have been banned. What we need in the European Parliament is a | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
proper radical national block so that there is a real voice against | :56:36. | :56:38. | |
the criminal war mongering that is going on from everyone for all the | :56:39. | :56:43. | |
other parties, including UKIP and the BBC, to get us into war is in | :56:44. | :56:47. | |
Syria and the Ukraine which has nothing to do with Britain. We need | :56:48. | :56:52. | |
to speak up against that. Are you being squeezed on the one side by | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
UKIP, which speaks about issues you have mentioned, including | :56:57. | :57:01. | |
immigration and membership of the EU, and on the other side, by the | :57:02. | :57:08. | |
English Defence League, which has become better at street protests and | :57:09. | :57:14. | |
thuggery than you. No! The English Defence League was a big thing two | :57:15. | :57:23. | |
years ago, that it has gone. The demonstrations where we were calling | :57:24. | :57:25. | |
for capital punishment to be introduced, there were only ten | :57:26. | :57:30. | |
elderly skinheads there. Do you think it is a Zionist front | :57:31. | :57:37. | |
organisation? No doubt at all. If you go online and look what lies | :57:38. | :57:42. | |
behind the EDL, you will find all the facts. Is this not a hallmark of | :57:43. | :57:52. | |
fascism when you are labelling people as Zionist? We are not being | :57:53. | :57:59. | |
anti-Italian and to talk about the problems of Zionism, you are not | :58:00. | :58:05. | |
being anti-Semitic. You asked about UKIP, perhaps we should touch on | :58:06. | :58:08. | |
that. You get are squeezing everybody and because they managed | :58:09. | :58:13. | |
to convince some people they have an anti-immigration policy, that could | :58:14. | :58:18. | |
eat into our vote. Their anti-immigration policy is a net | :58:19. | :58:21. | |
increase of 50,000 a year which would actually mean an increase of | :58:22. | :58:26. | |
350 thousand Africans and Asians coming into Britain every year. As | :58:27. | :58:30. | |
that message sinks in, people are taking to us. Our message is to stop | :58:31. | :58:36. | |
all immigration. If you lose any peas, will you give up? No, we will | :58:37. | :58:41. | |
carry on campaigning and we will be back. -- MEPs. That is it for today, | :58:42. | :58:52. | |
I will be back on Sunday with the Sunday Politics. It is a 11am. I | :58:53. | :58:57. | |
will be joined by Douglas Alexander and Nigel Farage. The by. | :58:58. | :59:01. | |
You've dug, you've sown, you've planted, | :59:02. | :59:04. | |
you've watered, you've trimmed, you've nurtured. | :59:05. | :59:07. | |
Look what you've grown with your patch of land. | :59:08. | :59:09. | |
A massive thank you for sending in all your pictures, from BBC Two's... | :59:10. | :59:14. |