16/05/2014 Daily Politics


16/05/2014

Andrew Neil presents the latest political news, interviews and debate, including a report on the delayed publication of the Iraq Inquiry.


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It's set to be one of the hottest days of the year.

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But the temperature ahead of next week's European and local election

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Most MPs are off on the campaign trail.

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But back here at Westminster, one senior MP tells us he's fed up

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of waiting for the Iraq War inquiry, now four years overdue.

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The Police Federation is also getting it in the neck over claims

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How much damage have they done to the reputation of the Old Bill?

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It's the live TV debate that electrified Europe.

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The main candidates to be European Commission President have been

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And, speaking of voters, just how much does anyone really

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And with us for the duration, two top political columnists.

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Sue Cameron from the Telegraph and Zoe Williams from the Guardian.

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Sue specialises in writing about the civil service.

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Zoe also gets to review restaurants for one of the Sunday magazines.

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I'll leave you to decide whose job is more fun.

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Let's start with the Police Federation.

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That's the group that represents rank and file police officers

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It's the subject of a scathing select committee

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report this morning, with the Home Affairs committee saying it's

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accused of levels of bullying to rival any popular soap opera.

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And urgently needs reform, including full disclosure of its finances.

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MPs also criticised the role of the Police Federation in the Plebgate

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affair which led to the resignation of chief whip Andrew Mitchell.

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Here's committee chairman Keith Vaz speaking earlier.

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This is a big opportunity at Bournemouth for the federation to

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move on if they change the way in which they have been doing their

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business. We want an end to the bullying that we were shocked to

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hear was happening at national headquarters. We want full

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transparency. Every police officer in England and Wales to get a rebate

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for their subscriptions and we want this to be what it should be. The

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representatives of the finest police force in the world.

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We asked to speak to the Police Federation this morning

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He was giving PR advice to local police federations at the time

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He's been singled out by the select committee.

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It said he cynically tried to exploit the allegations

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against Andrew Mitchell to publicise the Police Federation's campaign

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And the MPs said "the consequence was a lowering of

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Welcome back. You are paid by the Police Federation to advise three

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officers now under investigation for stitching up a Cabinet Minister. Did

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you know, did you encourage them to be economical with the truth? No, I

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wasn't paid to advise them to stitch of a Cabinet minister. I was paid by

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Police Federation in the Midlands and across the country as well as

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being paid by the National Federation. Coming to the Midlands,

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they'd already planned them are going to have a campaign during the

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Tory conference full for the Andrew Mitchell things fell into their lap.

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I gave the media training and got involved in that as well. When it

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comes to the meeting you are referring to, you must remember, of

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course, all three of them are now having a review about whether they

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can reopen the case, but no, I didn't advise them to stitch up

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Andrew Mitchell. Andrew Mitchell wasn't the target for the digital

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they were providing misleading evidence? No, I wasn't in the

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meeting. No, but you practice for it. Personally, I was amazed Andrew

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Mitchell accepted invitation. I was asking about the evidence to the

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Home Affairs Select Committee. No, I was no longer working for them. You

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prepped them for the Andrew Mitchell meeting? What do do for your money?

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Lots, caps on the front page of newspapers for four weeks. Now

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coming back to haunt you. The reputation the Police Federation...

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Do you want me to answer the question? The reputation of the

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police has never been poorer. The reason is because it's due to one

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police officer who lied. The reason is because it's due to one police

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officer who lied. He was there when he wasn't. I have never represented

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that police officer or the Metropolitan Police for that if I

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had done, I would've told him not to do it. He brought into disrepute and

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the leadership of the Police nationally, who were completely

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rudderless during this campaign, but going back to what I did, we kept on

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the front pages of newspapers for four weeks. I have absolutely no

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regrets about it. The target was not Andrew Mitchell. We were not trying

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to get rid of him. It was a political campaign and I think

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you'll find police officers in this country, unlike Ukraine, have

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exactly the same rights to free speech and expression as any other

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individual. They cannot strike, take industrial action, but they can

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protest and have their say if they feel these cuts were unjust and

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that's what my clients felt and my job was there to get it in the

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papers which I did successfully. The fact their reputation is in the dirt

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is all down to one person? Don't a three who gave misleading evidence

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to the home select committee? I'm glad you are so confident you think

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it's misleading information. I wasn't in the meeting, Andrew. The

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chair of the committee says it is now clear... If there is the same

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man who walked out of my evidence 50 minute into Keith Vaz? Have you

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watched the video? No. I will be happy to. I did ask your research is

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to ask you to watch it last night because 50 minute injured, Keith Vaz

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leaves. Yeah, yeah, yeah, never mind that. I'm asking you about the Home

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Affairs Select Committee. I'm talking about it. The chairman said

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it clear they missed that the committee, possibly deliberately,

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and if they don't come back and corrected, they will be in contempt

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of Parliament. You're saying it's all down to one man? If you let me

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answer the question, I think the Police Federation is the methods are

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now bigger of one police officer who and because it was legal and the

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present chairman, Mr Williams, invited me to work on it. The Home

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Affairs Select Committee, I don't know for the those officers went

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back and apologised. You now know the IPCC want to investigate them

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again. It's no subject to judicial review. We have to wait and see. I

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didn't brief them to go before the committee or had anything to do with

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it. The entire episode of the Federation no credit at all. It must

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think more carefully in the future mother nature of its public

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campaigning. We do not think this contract, the one I had with you,

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was appropriate, and don't think the work of the brothers Gaunt helped

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the police board the consequence was a lowering of the reputation for

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that. I can answer that, if Keith Vaz had listened to my evidence plea

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didn't, there was a conclusion at the end. The deputy chair said we

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have consulted on this. There was no time for consultation. They've

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clearly made their minds before I went in there. The report was

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clearly written before I gave my evidence but I will go back, the

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lowering of the Police Federation is down to the officer who lied not

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what we did. Keith Vaz and his committee have a perfect right to

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say they think my campaign wasn't very good but the timing of this

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report is very interesting. On the eve of the conference, this is a

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political move by the political establishment to cower the Police

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Federation. The leadership by the way, is rolling over and let them do

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it. How much did they pay you? It's all on the record if you want to go

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back to it, the interview you haven't watched. All the evidence is

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there, Andrew. I'm not going to go into it again. I'm asking you. You

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haven't done your research. The ?15,000 a month with other national

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contract. Individual contract... So you were on it? My company was, yes.

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Do you think they will ask for their money back given the reputation is

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on the debt now? I don't think so. Would you give it back to them? Of

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course not, what a ridiculous question. My job is to give the

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media training and I did it. I then worked with the regions. If you had

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watched the Home Affairs Select Committee, which you have failed to

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do. Let me bring in Zoe Williams. What is your view? The Police

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Federation is a union to represent its members so the idea it shouldn't

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be political and anything that goes against the government is political

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is really strange. It is there to lobby on behalf of its members. The

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Mitchell affair is unfortunate. What about you is that a to further its

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campaign? Jews think they were doing that? That's do you think? It was an

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open call, wasn't it? It was irresistible, that story. It

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should've been resisted. One of the problems with the police, it isn't

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just Plebgate. It is Mark Duggan, Hillsborough, it's that poor man who

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was bludgeoned to death. And the reputation of the police, all the

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police, is absolutely down. It's no good you being self-righteous and

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saying, Keith Vaz doesn't listen to my evidence. He couldn't read

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afterwards. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter? It doesn't matter

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they came to the conclusion? Let her finish. There were loads and loads

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of really good, hard-working and very, very courageous police

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officers who don't support the report. 91% of police officers...

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The Normanton report show that it doesn't agree with a national

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leadership for the correctly for the 91%, National leadership. The

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absolutely right, the police had taken a hit on a lot of things and

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rightly so. Hillsborough, rightly so. The Police Federation is a

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professional body to lobby for the rights. -- the rights of the police.

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If separate authoritarian. We have to leave it there.

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Ed Miliband's guru, called David Axelrod, is in town this week

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At the end of the show we'll see if Zoe and Sue can give us

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Now it was way back in 2009 that Gordon Brown set up an

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Five years later and the man in charge, John Chilcot, still isn't

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The delay is being blamed on a disagreement over whether to publish

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classified correspondence between former Prime Minister Tony Blair and

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This programme has learned that the chairman of the Public

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Administration Select Committee, Bernard Jenkin, has written to

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Cabinet Secretary Jeremy Heywood and Cabinet Office minister Francis

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Maude, warning them that he may call them in front of his committee

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Here's Eleanor Garnier's report which does contain

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It was Winston Churchill who coined the phrase the special relationship.

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He was something of an expert at forging friendships with US

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presidents like Franklin D Roosevelt. And since Churchill's

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day, Britain's oration ship with America have been pretty much

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accepted by all US presidents and British prime ministers. But there

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is something lurking that is threatening to turn that special

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relationship a little bit sour. It is the Chilcott enquiry. What? Can I

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explain what it is? Yes, I can. The Chilcott enquiry is an

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independent... The Chilcott enquiry is an independent investigation into

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the invasion of Iraq back in 2003. Good morning and welcome to the

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Iraqi enquiry's first day of public hearings. Sir John Chilcott is a man

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in charge. His enquiry started in 2009. Two years later, it was still

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taking evidence from key witnesses but the findings still haven't been

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published. The delay is being blamed on discussions between the enquiry

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and the Cabinet Secretary Sir Jeremy Heywood over the publication of

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top-secret notes and conversations between the then Prime Minister Tony

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Blair and former US President George Bush. The Prime Minister's patients

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are said to be running out and there's frustration from senior Tory

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MPs. It's very serious that this report is now at least four years

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overdue. So we have written to the Minister to ask for explanation as

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to why these delays occurred and what is holding up the publication

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of the report? And how these issues will be resolved on the basis of

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that, we may call for the Minister or indeed for the Cabinet Secretary

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to come and give evidence to explain how they will sort this out. They've

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already had a full investigation surrounding the Iraqi war including

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the Hutton affair and Butler enquiry. The former Minister from

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Tony Blair 's government to the classified correspondence shouldn't

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stop this latest report from being published. My experience of chairing

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the intelligence and security committee was that we published

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very, very sensitive material but we did it by ensuring that those

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agents, informants, who might be under threat of death, where

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protected by adapting certain sentences so blacking out certain

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references, and I don't see why Chilcott enquiry can't do this and

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then he will be able to publish as document and we will look at it. The

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report is likely to give an indication as to the depth of the

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special relationship between Tony Blair and George Bush. So, that is

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the situation surrounding the Chilcott E enquiry. Seeing as you

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are such good friends, I will leave you chatting while I find out what

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is happening. We're joined now by the former

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Lib Dem leader Ming Campbell and Anyone who is liable to criticism

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gets to see the passage that might criticise him or her. Sir John

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Chilcott has not been able to embark upon that process because he is

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still in dispute with the Cabinet Secretary as to whether or not there

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can ultimately be published the exchanges between George W Bush and

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Tony Blair in the run-up to the war. Why are these important? They are

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important for this reason. The decision to take military action

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against Saddam Hussein was the most serious form of policy blunder

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probably since Suez or maybe before that. This particular thing which

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says exchanges like that are confidential, it is in the public

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interest. The public interest now is overwhelmingly in favour of

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understanding the political journey which the Labour government, under

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Tony Blair, reached the decision to take military action. That is why in

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my view, said John Chilcott is absolutely right and the Government

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should acknowledge those requests. There are certain conversations that

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should be left to history. Private conversations between leaders can be

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blue sky thinking. I do not think what we could gain from theirs. It

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was not a policy decision, it was said in a conversation. We would

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gain if we knew from the start we were going to war. That would be

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important, given what we knew in the run-up. He told us all he had to do

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was give up his weapons of mass destruction and there would be no

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war. If he told Mr Bush is something very different, that would be

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germane. I think it was an offhand conversation. I do not see what we

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will learn from it. Do promise you will take this country to war is an

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offhand conversation? Do you know it was an actual promise? That is the

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whole point. The question is timing. When did Tony Blair commit

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the United Kingdom? Was he aware that the argument in favour of

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regime change was one which laid very strongly behind the American

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position, behind George W Bush? Did he understand that Article two of

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the United Nations Charter opposes regime change? We really need to

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know how it was that the political thinking developed. Another thing,

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which is pushed to one side often, what was the attitude of the Cabinet

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towards this? They have been described as supine. Some say the

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topic was never properly discussed. That may have been because

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commitments had already been given in private conversations. The

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American president is covered by executive privilege. Just as if you

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had a conversation with your own lawyer. It is a very important

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concept. Leaders need to get free and open advice. With Mr Nixon, the

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Supreme Court overruled his right to executive privilege, so it is not

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necessarily watertight. If I was sitting down with my lawyer and he

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wants some crazy ideas to blue sky think, I want him to have the

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opportunity of free speech, to get it through the Crucible and

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throughout the bad starts. -- stuff. I think that is a different thing.

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The point is, if the conversations are going to become public in living

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memory, all within the contemporary period of the events, that they will

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find another way all closed down that kind of communication? This is

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not normal course. That is the point. This is the decision...

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Remember a million people walked past this door outside protesting

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against this. You cannot find anyone who was in the Labour Cabinet or the

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Labour government at the time the decision was made who is trying to

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defend now what happened. The consequences were far beyond what

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had been anticipated, deeply damaging to Iraq and deeply damaging

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both to the United Kingdom and the United States. There seems from what

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Menzies Campbell is saying, that there seems to be a stand-off

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between Chilcott and the Cabinet Secretary. How does that get

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resolved? With difficulty is the answer. I suspect what has to happen

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is the pressure needs to be kept up. It seems to me, I absolutely agree

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with what Menzies Campbell has said. Normally, civil servants, advisers,

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ministers Presidents need to discuss these things will stop I think it is

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absolutely in the public interest. I think that Bernard Jenkins saying he

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would call Sir Jeremy Heywood in and Francis Maude but it is Jeremy he

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would call Sir Jeremy Heywood in and Francis Maude but it is Jeremy who

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is the, they must not be allowed to get away with continually saying, it

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is difficult. I am told it is the lawyers, as you suggested, saying it

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would set a precedent. It should not be left to the lawyers. Executive

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privilege would only work as an argued if, in this case, Tony Blair

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were not already held to have behaved wrongly. I think it would

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work in his favour to have those conversations released. There is

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nothing they could release that people do not already say about him.

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We all think he had given... It is a different issue. We all think that

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he had made an agreement with George Bush we do not know about. All it

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could do is either confirm that or deny it and I do not think he is

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doing his own case a favour by trying to keep it private. He is

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making it worse. People are saying, Michael Dobbs the other day, this

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has all happened because Blair is putting the pressure on. I do not

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think that is true. Cabinet secretaries are close to whichever

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ministers they are working with. Mr Blair Brown what was subsequently

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called a sofa government. At that time, he was permanent secretary at

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number ten. When it looked like there might be coalitions and we

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asked whether the civil service was ready for a coalition government, he

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said, we're not even ready for a change of government. Where do we go

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from here? It seems from what you say, this is still an unresolved

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argument. Even when it is resolved .com -- when it is resolved, it goes

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back to Robert Maxwell. He was criticised and now he could have

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been entirely right but that is a different debate. This is not going

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to happen before the election, is it? There are those who believe that

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this delay, among other things, as its purpose, kicking this into the

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long grass until after the election. Where this to be published in the

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run-up to the general election, it would become part of the campaign.

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Why would the Conservative government or conservative and

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Democrat government be reluctant? Not the current regime. I think

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there were 25 who did not agree. Ken Taylor, Douglas Hurd and others.

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Labour would take the biggest hit. I think Labour would benefit from

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having an open Anne Frank discussion about who thinks what an saying,

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this is what we stand for. -- Anne Frank discussion. The danger is that

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American presidents will be wary of this. If you want a current version

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of this deal, look at the Benghazi scandal. I can understand it.

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it's the debates between the five main candidates for the post

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There are some similarities with Eurovision though.

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Last night was the grand finale and it was shown on 49 TV stations.

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We have to invest into the economy but a greener economy cars we need

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to create sustainable jobs, jobs that will still be there in a couple

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of decades. Jobs that give good quality of life. Apple wants to

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start with a new product for the bigger to the four main operators

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and start immediately to start a new product. If we had to do it, we need

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100 operators in 28 different countries. That is why they have

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Google, Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Microsoft. They are all American

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companies and we still need to do that. The biggest deficit in Europe

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is a democratic deficit. Citizens stay away. They do not believe their

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vote will make a big change to the strategy and direction of Europe as

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it currently is. In the past, the European elections were boring.

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There was no confrontation. Secondly, it was abused for mid-term

:26:58.:27:03.

election of national governments. I think the debate here shows we are

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changing in the European Union, to more democracy, more controversial

:27:11.:27:14.

debate, Porter 's bouncy. This is a step forward. I would like a Europe

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that does not cultivate divisions. I would like to put an end to

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divisions between north and south, young and old member states. I would

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like a Europe of consensus, of wise compromise. I would like a Europe

:27:30.:27:34.

which allows the Europeans to fall back in love with Europe. I'd bet

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you are disappointed you missed that.

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Joining me now from Brussels is our correspondent,

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Duncan Crawford, who soaked up every minute of the debate.

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Why are these debates happening? They are taking place to drum up

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support for what is going on in the European Parliamentary elections and

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also to put a face to the party to try to end the democratic deficit

:28:10.:28:15.

the European Commission has. You have the five main party group

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candidates. You saw them speak there. They believe that if their

:28:20.:28:24.

party group gets the most MEPs in the European Parliamentary

:28:25.:28:27.

elections, they should be the one to head up the European Commission. It

:28:28.:28:32.

is a big job for the European Commission president. It is the only

:28:33.:28:37.

institution in the EU which can propose legislation. He or she,

:28:38.:28:42.

whoever gets that post, will be able to influence the direction which

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Europe moves in for the next five years. So, they have the debate. It

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was polite at those times. They did not disagree that often. There were

:28:53.:28:56.

a few jibes at each other and some disagreement. Largely on the big

:28:57.:29:00.

economic matters, trying to get people out of unemployment and into

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jobs, tackling youth unemployment and immigration, illegal

:29:09.:29:10.

immigration. There was a lot of consensus. I understand that despite

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the opened transparency of the debate and whoever is the largest

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group can choose the president of the commission from the European

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Parliament, it could still be done in a backroom deal by the leaders of

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the nation states. You are right. Basically, historically, it always

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has been done that way. David Cameron, Angela Merkel, their

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predecessors in the past, they would have gone behind closed doors and

:29:37.:29:40.

work out who they would want to have the top job of the European

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Commission president. This time around, it is different because of

:29:44.:29:49.

the Lisbon Treaty. It says that EU heads of member states say they need

:29:50.:29:53.

to take into consideration what the European Parliament wants. Certainly

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the potential for some institutional deadlock in Brussels over this.

:30:00.:30:06.

David Cameron will have concerns about the five candidates involved

:30:07.:30:11.

in this debate last night. Most likely they will be viewed as too

:30:12.:30:16.

federalist, two in favour of integration in Europe. If David

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Cameron wins the next general election, he wants to renegotiate

:30:20.:30:25.

Britain 's relationship with the EU. Before we get to that, I want to get

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a brief wedding about Scotland. I understand there was a mention of

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Scotland last night. What did they say about this argument that if

:30:34.:30:47.

Scotland The general answer was they shouldn't get involved, it wasn't a

:30:48.:30:52.

thing for the EU to comment on at this stage, it is up to the member

:30:53.:30:56.

states are bad, that said, Martin Short, the Socialist candidate who

:30:57.:31:00.

is currently the European Parliament president, said the procedures could

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be followed suggesting that Scotland, if it became independent,

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could join with the EU and the Green candidates, she talks about

:31:12.:31:18.

welcoming Scotland into the EU. Would they have to reapply? They

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didn't say they would have to reapply. They basically ducked the

:31:29.:31:31.

question is that it wasn't their place to comment. The Green

:31:32.:31:37.

candidate was talking about welcoming Scotland into the EU,

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independently, about as positive as it got, really, for Alex Salmond.

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Thank you very much. Does this make the European elections more

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interesting? I give them half a small cheer for shuffling towards

:31:57.:32:00.

something slightly more democratic. But otherwise, no. Ultimately, if

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the heads of individual countries decide who to have, then that's

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almost certainly going to be who it will be. It could be very

:32:11.:32:15.

interesting, the row between them, but I bet that is smoothed over and

:32:16.:32:19.

deals are done behind closed doors. Neither are the frontrunners, are

:32:20.:32:25.

coming anywhere near here in this country. We are not going to see

:32:26.:32:30.

site nor sound of them. Labour and the Lib Dems will be happy with that

:32:31.:32:35.

because both are very staunch federalists. I know why they like

:32:36.:32:43.

Scotland, because it's so windy. The Green party is fit in favour of

:32:44.:32:49.

independence. More windmills, more wind farms. It's the jewel in our

:32:50.:33:00.

green crime. O. Then you are unlikely to be acceptable to the

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Prime Minister is the Irish prime ministers. It's very difficult. Even

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though socialist doesn't mean the same thing, if you are voting

:33:10.:33:14.

socialist, you would be voting for somebody on the left. It's

:33:15.:33:19.

federalism Mr Cameron is objecting to. They all are. Maybe that's not

:33:20.:33:28.

why they're coming here. The interesting thing is, the impetus in

:33:29.:33:32.

Europe this towards greater federalisation because that's the

:33:33.:33:35.

only way they would get out of the Euro crisis. And avert another

:33:36.:33:39.

crisis. Nothing David Cameron does Canada reflect what is best for

:33:40.:33:41.

Europe. OK, let's move on. So that's one attempt to get voters

:33:42.:33:44.

engaged ahead In case you'd forgotten,

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although that would be pretty tricky if you're a regular viewer

:33:47.:33:50.

of this show, next Thursday is And if you live

:33:51.:33:53.

in England or Northern Ireland you could also be voting in local

:33:54.:33:58.

and mayoral elections. The turn out for these types of

:33:59.:34:00.

election are usually pretty poor. But with the EU never far

:34:01.:34:04.

from the headlines will this year be Adam's been out to find out

:34:05.:34:07.

if people are feeling switched on, Do you know what's happening next

:34:08.:34:35.

Thursday? Do you know how many MEPs will be elected next Thursday? 50.

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60? 120. 100? 73. Tell your friends. Where are you from? Belgium. Will

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you be voting next week? Yes, Belgium has compulsory voting. What

:34:57.:34:59.

happens is be done to vote? You could get fined. Do you know the

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European Parliament is? Brussels? And? It's in France. It's gone.

:35:06.:35:16.

Strasberg. Yes. How much of your councillors up for election? I don't

:35:17.:35:20.

know. I don't know what proportion is up for election. I think we had

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about six candidates. That's all I know from the voting form. Do you

:35:26.:35:29.

know what voting system they use for the European elections? It's a form

:35:30.:35:34.

of proportional representation. An open list or a closed list? It's a

:35:35.:35:41.

party list system. Do you work for a party? I am a candidate, yes. I

:35:42.:35:47.

thought using suspiciously familiar. And well-informed. I think that's

:35:48.:35:49.

the only reason he knew the answer. And we're joined now by Katie Ghose

:35:50.:35:56.

from the Electoral Reform Society. As the name suggests, they campaign

:35:57.:35:59.

for reforms to the electoral system. It's interesting the more power

:36:00.:36:04.

that's gone to the European Parliament, the lower the turnout in

:36:05.:36:09.

the election has been. That's right, and without expecting a turnout for

:36:10.:36:13.

the year rose or the locals to be higher than the low 30s, which is

:36:14.:36:16.

where it has remained stubbornly low and also we not saying that although

:36:17.:36:21.

Europe is all over the headlines, that's not translating into a huge

:36:22.:36:25.

public appetite to go to the polls and it's also not leading people to

:36:26.:36:29.

take part in local democracy more. This is a long-term problem. People

:36:30.:36:34.

have been tuning out from formal party politics from long time and I

:36:35.:36:37.

don't think there's a quick fix to that. In the Euro election, the

:36:38.:36:43.

first time in 1979 with 62%, which seemed quite healthy but by 2009, it

:36:44.:36:48.

dropped to 43% and it's probably going to be lower this time. People

:36:49.:36:56.

don't think it matters very much? People feel it's very remote. People

:36:57.:37:02.

feel national MPs are increasingly alien from their concerns. Whether

:37:03.:37:09.

that's fair or not. You take the European Council, it feels even more

:37:10.:37:13.

remote. Actually, these politicians and decision-makers have a say and

:37:14.:37:17.

influence over jobs and homes and security but people don't feel it to

:37:18.:37:21.

be that way. On the local elections, I was covering the local elections

:37:22.:37:28.

in France. The turnout was pretty impressive both in the first round

:37:29.:37:33.

and the second round. One of the reasons for that is that it matters

:37:34.:37:38.

in France who the Mayor is. It matters who the local councillors.

:37:39.:37:46.

They have real power. In many ways, I live in France for part of the

:37:47.:37:50.

year, and it's more important to me who my local French Maher is done

:37:51.:37:57.

the president is. -- French Mayor. You've hit the nail on the head. If

:37:58.:38:02.

there were more meaningful powers and budget held locally, people

:38:03.:38:06.

might feel it was worth going to the polls but we've also got a very

:38:07.:38:10.

outdated system which means there are loads of uncontested seats.

:38:11.:38:16.

Between 2011-14, two .5 mil in people didn't have a save -- say

:38:17.:38:22.

because only one party going for it in the award, uncontested. And also

:38:23.:38:30.

the party thought, I'd better put my resources elsewhere. We are

:38:31.:38:32.

disenfranchising millions of people. No wonder people are thinking with a

:38:33.:38:38.

platter of uncontested seats, if not is worth my while. In Scotland, the

:38:39.:38:42.

referendum there, even very hard and nonvoters are saying and going to

:38:43.:38:47.

give my damnedest to this and I'm going to vote in the referendum. You

:38:48.:38:52.

think the turnout on September 18 will be very high? Yes. It's going

:38:53.:38:59.

to be really-I'm not going to have a stab at it. I've had discussions

:39:00.:39:01.

with Scottish people who don't normally vote and they say this is

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the future of my country and 16-year-olds are going to be voting

:39:06.:39:09.

for the first time and this is very exciting. I think they will be very

:39:10.:39:12.

engaged and it's only a matter of time before we have young people

:39:13.:39:16.

developing the voting habits for life. Maybe this is another problem

:39:17.:39:24.

here, the European Parliament for the London region. The whole of

:39:25.:39:33.

London? Yes, the London region. You vote only once by putting across in

:39:34.:39:38.

the box next to your choice. I thought the system was proportional

:39:39.:39:45.

representation? You don't have much choice as as a closed system. This

:39:46.:39:51.

gives the names, people on this list of been chosen by the parties. They

:39:52.:39:56.

have behaved themselves. Yes, and parties are too much control. If we

:39:57.:40:01.

want to breathe fresh life into politics, we need to respond to

:40:02.:40:05.

modern voters who want choice. Do you know who your MEP is? When I do

:40:06.:40:11.

it, you have got to shock me but an informal vote swapping system.

:40:12.:40:14.

Across the country. There is somebody I want to vote for in the

:40:15.:40:19.

south-west. I could sever the Facebook page and it will be trust

:40:20.:40:24.

based. You can't enforce it but you can say, you vote was so-and-so and

:40:25.:40:28.

in return, I will vote for your party. I think that's going to be

:40:29.:40:34.

quite unusual. Do you know the name of your MEP? I'm afraid I don't. I

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don't. If I saw it, it would ring about.

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LAUGHTER The fact people have to think about

:40:46.:40:49.

tactics shows we have a pretty old-fashioned system that's not

:40:50.:40:53.

working. People like these two don't know who the MEPs are, what hope for

:40:54.:40:59.

the rest? That's the problem. Also three quarters of British people

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feel their voice doesn't count in the European Union, so it's the

:41:03.:41:05.

thing is not being heard. I just wonder, I know what you're saying,

:41:06.:41:10.

but in some places, please, the controversy and the impact of UKIP

:41:11.:41:15.

isn't going to put off the turnout. I think it could happen. Newark is

:41:16.:41:20.

very soon after if you kept us very well in these elections. I will def

:41:21.:41:26.

to the other five I have got. Thank you for being with us.

:41:27.:41:29.

Now, in America, politicians quite regularly say they

:41:30.:41:31.

are driven by their Christian faith to take public office.

:41:32.:41:34.

Over here MPs tend to be more reticent about discussing religion

:41:35.:41:37.

And when they do, it can cause a bit of a kerfuffle.

:41:38.:41:42.

Ahead of Easter Sunday, David Cameron wrote in the Church Times

:41:43.:41:45.

that Britain should be proud of its status as a Christian country.

:41:46.:41:48.

Plenty of secularists disputed that, and the former Archbishop

:41:49.:41:51.

of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams said that Britain was

:41:52.:41:53.

a post-Christian country because so many people have given up

:41:54.:41:56.

One small group called the Christian People's Alliance is hoping to prove

:41:57.:42:02.

him wrong and make an impact at next week's European elections.

:42:03.:42:06.

They want to leave the EU, but in the meantime they want to bring

:42:07.:42:10.

What they describe as their key moral issues include the importance

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The leader of the Christian People's Alliance, Sid Cordle joins us now.

:42:19.:42:31.

If you have a Christian Prime Minister who says we live in a

:42:32.:42:37.

Christian country, why do we need your party? Because basically this

:42:38.:42:42.

government has not pursued Christian policies. There are a lot of reports

:42:43.:42:49.

because this is a European election, coming to the European Parliament on

:42:50.:42:52.

issues like abortion, one of the proposals is going to take away the

:42:53.:42:58.

right of the doctor to refuse to conduct an abortion. Other proposals

:42:59.:43:01.

are saying they want to dictate what is taught in schools on sex

:43:02.:43:08.

education. The Conservatives have abstained on all these reports.

:43:09.:43:11.

There is no opposition coming from the Conservative Party. But there

:43:12.:43:14.

are strong Christians on both sides of the house. For people who think

:43:15.:43:20.

like you, would they not be more progress? More likely to influence

:43:21.:43:26.

the debate if you concentrated all votes on getting people elected

:43:27.:43:30.

rather than your own people? You and I both know you're not going to win

:43:31.:43:37.

any seats. No, I don't accept that. This is a tremendous opportunity for

:43:38.:43:42.

us. There are an enormous number of Christians who have left the

:43:43.:43:45.

Conservative Party over the issue of same-sex marriage. Sadly, too many

:43:46.:43:49.

of them have gone to UKIP. But I think they are beginning to find

:43:50.:43:53.

that in UKIP, it's not a natural home for Christians. This issues of

:43:54.:44:01.

racism in UKIP. They have made life difficult for you, haven't they? You

:44:02.:44:05.

would be doing better if they didn't exist? Not necessarily. UKIP brought

:44:06.:44:11.

the whole issue of Europe onto the agenda and they provide an

:44:12.:44:15.

attractive alternative which hasn't really existed before. It's only

:44:16.:44:20.

existed fairly recently, but people need to see that, actually, I don't

:44:21.:44:25.

believe the majority of people in this country want to live under a

:44:26.:44:29.

UKIP government. Frankly. I think there would be happy to live under

:44:30.:44:31.

Christian People's Alliance government. Do you? Absolutely. The

:44:32.:44:39.

Pope said last, if the person is gay and six God and has good will, who

:44:40.:44:44.

am I to judge? Would you welcome though some gay people? Of course,

:44:45.:44:47.

don't judge people because of their lifestyle. When not against people

:44:48.:44:50.

but the principles on which we stand. Earlier this year, UKIP

:44:51.:44:57.

councillors said the floods in Britain were due to gay marriage.

:44:58.:45:06.

You wouldn't accept that? the way he said it was completely wrong. What

:45:07.:45:11.

about the substance? All Christians believe that God does things with

:45:12.:45:21.

nature. Because he is gay? He supports gay marriage? A lot of

:45:22.:45:29.

Christians believe that God is angry at gay marriage. Where David Silva

:45:30.:45:35.

Esther was wrong is to be adamant this is the case. If he thinks it is

:45:36.:45:40.

possible this is the case, the majority of Christians, I certainly

:45:41.:45:44.

would agree with that. You tweeted that if the head of the Environment

:45:45.:45:49.

Agency, Chris Smith, one of the most openly gay politicians in British

:45:50.:45:53.

life, if he resigned the floods would stop. If he resigned, the

:45:54.:46:01.

floods with stop. You said it is like Job. If he resigned p, I am

:46:02.:46:10.

sure the floods would stop. I not know quite where that quote has come

:46:11.:46:15.

from. That is from your tweets. One of the problems on Twitter is you

:46:16.:46:21.

only have a very few words to say. It is quite clear what you said. If

:46:22.:46:26.

gay people could change the weather, wouldn't that make them God 's

:46:27.:46:32.

anointed people? I think, quite honestly, we are delving into an

:46:33.:46:37.

area which is quite honestly not of interest to the majority of people.

:46:38.:46:45.

You are socially conservative, aren't you? What I would say

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categorically is, as a Christian, I believe God is involved in every

:46:51.:46:55.

aspect of society. He is very interested in marriage. Marriage is

:46:56.:46:58.

a pillar of society and vitally important to us. I believe children

:46:59.:47:05.

need a mother and a father and they need that stability. Breakdown of

:47:06.:47:08.

marriage is costing this country some 46 billion. That will rise to

:47:09.:47:14.

49 billion. We need to do something about it and it does matter. In

:47:15.:47:20.

America, that would be regarded as the socially conservative Christian

:47:21.:47:23.

view. That is what you represent in this country, am I right? What he

:47:24.:47:31.

said on gay marriage and whether children should be brought up by two

:47:32.:47:37.

parents in the same sex and so on... I would say I am a Christian.

:47:38.:47:44.

A Christian is a follower of Jesus 's teaching. That is clear and I

:47:45.:47:49.

have no problem whatsoever in following that teaching. We are

:47:50.:47:55.

grateful for you coming in and explaining that. We will have you

:47:56.:47:57.

back. If you've been watching the BBC

:47:58.:48:02.

during the early evenings or sometimes late

:48:03.:48:04.

at night over the last month, Not just how The One Show is really

:48:05.:48:07.

just a pale imitation of the Daily Politics but a rash

:48:08.:48:12.

of party election broadcasts. Since the early days of BBC radio,

:48:13.:48:15.

the political parties have been given a slice of airtime to

:48:16.:48:18.

communicate directly to the voters Let's have a look at some

:48:19.:48:21.

of the most recent crop. I believe you have the right to have

:48:22.:48:45.

your say on Europe. When we have finished renegotiating Britain 's

:48:46.:48:46.

relationship with the European Union, we will give you the final

:48:47.:48:51.

decision with them in /out referendum by the end of 2017. Let

:48:52.:48:58.

open all the doors and batten down the hatches. Sky 20 million

:48:59.:49:03.

immigrants. That is why, when it comes to Europe, the answer is

:49:04.:49:09.

simple. On 22nd of May, take the right choice and vote for...

:49:10.:49:16.

Something else. The last two generations have been robbed of

:49:17.:49:21.

voting on the EU yet it has a great impact on our everyday lives than

:49:22.:49:24.

anything else. We need to put this issue to bed now and not leave it

:49:25.:49:30.

for another generation. I'm asking you to vote for the Liberal

:49:31.:49:35.

Democrats, the party of in. In for the sake of British prosperity and

:49:36.:49:41.

jobs. If I allow energy companies to raise their prices, you will defend

:49:42.:49:46.

it? You will keep your mouth shut about huge profits? Yes. Jolly good,

:49:47.:50:02.

well done you. We are joined by the man who designed how much airtime

:50:03.:50:06.

parties will get. Welcome to both of you. Do people enjoy watching these

:50:07.:50:11.

party election broadcasts or can you see a switch off when they come on?

:50:12.:50:18.

Definitely. You switch on for Phil Mitchell and you get David Cameron.

:50:19.:50:22.

He is in EastEnders. That is a small programme on BBC One! I think it can

:50:23.:50:28.

have a counter-productive effect. People can be turned off. They want

:50:29.:50:32.

to watch their favourite programme and there is a politician. I wanted

:50:33.:50:37.

to get away from those guys, I have just watched the news and here they

:50:38.:50:41.

are again, trying to ram ideas down my throat and I do not like that. It

:50:42.:50:47.

plays into the idea of political apathy. Voting levels are down. Do

:50:48.:50:53.

you think it was that kind of fear that led Labour to make this

:50:54.:50:59.

controversial TV about the shrinking... ? First of all the fear

:51:00.:51:07.

of showing Ed Miliband. He is not in it. Labour is mentioned in the last

:51:08.:51:15.

really second of it. David Axelrod has been brought in to try to

:51:16.:51:20.

improve his TV profile. His three advisers are all from newspapers. He

:51:21.:51:27.

is perceived as a turn-off. Voting, their poll in the internal pressure

:51:28.:51:30.

groups and their little focus groups that they do, are suggesting that

:51:31.:51:35.

people think he is a bit of a geek. Do not put him on your TV. I think

:51:36.:51:40.

it is a very bad idea to go negative. You're going to send

:51:41.:51:44.

people into the warm embrace of UKIP. You are saying all politicians

:51:45.:51:48.

are the same and it is extremely cynical. Let's have a look at some

:51:49.:51:55.

of the rules on this. What are the rules when it comes to PEB is? How

:51:56.:52:00.

do parties qualify for getting airtime and how do you decide how

:52:01.:52:07.

many slots they get? Thank you for that one. The starting point is how

:52:08.:52:12.

many candidates they are putting up. It is different in different sorts

:52:13.:52:15.

of elections. Let's take the European elections. If you have a

:52:16.:52:20.

full slate of candidates in England, you get a single broadcast. There is

:52:21.:52:25.

a second criteria which is parties that can demonstrate electoral

:52:26.:52:29.

support will get additional broadcasts. Traditionally, three

:52:30.:52:32.

broadcasts were Labour, Tory, UKIP, the Lib Dems. The Greens have two.

:52:33.:52:39.

It is based as a starting point for 2009. The smaller parties will get

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one broadcast and the bigger parties will get more in the Europeans. In

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the locals, they'll get one. When they demonstrate support, the polls

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relevant? Can be. You take that into account. We take that into account

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in our editorial coverage. The process of deciding this is, the

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starting point, it is candidates. Largely it is what happened in the

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last equivalent election. A lot of our viewers have wondered, and even

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complained, about why UKIP is getting so much time? They get three

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broadcasts, as they did in 2009. If you look back at the previous

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European elections, in 2004 they did pretty well. That is why they got

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the same number of broadcasts in 2009. They came second in 2009. It

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would be quite reasonable for them not to get the same number of

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broadcasts as the bigger parties. Some also think they are getting too

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much time on programmes like this. Is there a formula for how much time

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they all get in the run-up to the they all get in the run-up to the

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elections? Formula is too strong a word, it implies you

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elections? Formula is too strong a that you do it with good judgment.

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You look at the fact that UKIP did well last time. It makes sense for

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them to have the same kind of coverage and scrutiny that the

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bigger parties are getting. You do take that into account. You have got

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to take account as well of things that may have happened since,

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subsequent elections. They have had a very strong run in the opinion

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polls. The polls can be relevant. UKIP have been running ahead of the

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Lib Dems for getting on for two years. People often wonder why Nigel

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Farage appears so much on current affairs broadcasts where somebody

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like Caroline Lucas does not. UKIP has no MP and make do point out that

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opinion polls of the Mirror the picture you see on current affairs

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broadcasts. If you are often represented, some would say in

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excess of their real representation... I think the mirror

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thing does not work. You look at the opinion polls and it is a really

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robust trend. What has happened in the past two years in terms of

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support for UKIP, if you look what happened in the local elections last

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time, UKIP had no background in the councils and they shot towards 20%.

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If you look at by-elections in local councils, UKIP have been, not just

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an opinion polls, but real votes have been getting around 17 to 20%,

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ahead of the Lib Dems. You get a small boost, more coverage and then

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more boost. Firemen cut we have to give them coverage if people are

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giving them support. -- we have to give them coverage if people are

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giving them support. Natalie Bennett will be on the Sunday Politics. It

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is not random. It is by looking at objective figures on how people

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vote. What do you make about the idea of hosting a TV debate online?

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The Wild West of the internet! You might put an audience that seems to

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be totally uninterested in politics at the moment. I mentioned before,

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voter apathy. It is strong among the younger people. They think, these

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people are not speaking for us. They are all middle-aged men in suits and

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they are not speaking for me. If you put them on a forum where they might

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achieve in, I do not think that is a good idea. Sky one advantage of it,

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to a greater extent it cuts out the political class that the

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broadcasters, the politicians... There would be far fewer rules and

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regulations which politicians often used as an excuse for not doing TV

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debates. We would love to do them but the rules, we cannot abide by

:57:00.:57:09.

them. The other thing is... You can use, I think... There will be

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opportunities to use Skype and video to bring in a far greater number of

:57:15.:57:20.

people asking questions directly instead of the traditional studio.

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It is not either/or. As you saw there,

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the American political guru, David Axelrod, who's fast becoming a bit

:58:13.:58:17.

of an obsession here at Westminster, has been in London meeting senior

:58:18.:58:20.

Labour figures this week. So let's find out the answer to

:58:21.:58:23.

our quiz. We asked what's wrong with

:58:24.:58:27.

this tweet from Mr Axelrod? He's spelt the Labour leader's name

:58:28.:58:29.

wrong and, in doing so, Thanks to our back on BBC One

:58:30.:58:34.

on Sunday with an elections feast on the Sunday Politics,

:58:35.:58:41.

with Sajid Javid, Simon Hughes Female artists have rocked the world

:58:42.:58:43.

for centuries. Not only did she impress and surprise

:58:44.:59:11.

Michelangelo, in her nineties,

:59:12.:59:17.

she won the homage of van Dyck. So just how did they push the

:59:18.:59:21.

boundaries and flout convention?

:59:22.:59:25.

Andrew Neil presents the latest political news, interviews and debate, including a report on the delayed publication of the Iraq Inquiry.


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