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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.


A frenzy of policy announcements from Labour - from zero hours


contracts to the minimum wage - but have any of them had any impact


House prices are up 8% over the past year.


David Cameron says he's alert to the dangers of a house price bubble.


So is it time to put the brakes on the Government's Help to Buy scheme?


And would you have a pint with any of these politicians?


one part of the election campaign and asking, do we actually vote on


local issues. We'll discuss why MPs are so keen


to be seen down the local boozer. All that in the next hour


and with us for the whole programme today is Baroness Sally Morgan,


who's chair of Let's start with the ongoing saga


of the personal emails sent by the Premier League Chief Executive,


Richard Scudamore, which contained Yesterday Radio 5 Live's John


Pienaar asked the Prime Minister how he would have reacted if it


had been one of his ministers. You have come down hard on questions


of races, you sacked one senior member of your team. When it comes


to survive for long having admitted that sort of thing? -- when it comes


to sexism. No, I don't think they would not. I have to be careful with


what I say because I haven't seen these Pacific e-mails. In politics


it would not be tolerated. Absolutely, we have to set high


standards in politics. Is he right that it wouldn't have been tolerated


in politics? I hope so. I was pleased he said that. It is a pretty


significant issue. You can dismiss e-mails and say that it was private


banter, but it is kind of a window into what people's views are. I


think when somebody a leadership position, he says he says he is


trying to get more women involved in sport, it is a pretty significant


occurrence. If I was sitting on the board, I would be looking seriously


about whether or not he should continue. You would sack him?


Bluntly, I would. Should there be a line between the personal and the


public? You say people in a leadership position, anything they


write to a friend, a mate, however private, is still public property.


There are obviously grey areas. You can't be crawling through people's


e-mails. But this has been exposed by somebody who is working with him.


It seems to me that is quite significant. I suppose I also


think, if this was racism or potentially racist, I don't think


anybody would be standing by. I think if we are serious about really


promoting women, in all aspects of society, whether it is sport,


business politics, we have got to take a consistent stance. You think


it should be consistent across all aspects of public life, not just


politics being held to a higher standard? I think politics reflect


society and it should do. It is also about people's integrity. If you are


leading any sort of organisation, including a business, if on the one


hand you say you are keen on promoting women, supporting women to


get on further, and in another bit of your life you are expressing


views that don't do that at all, think that is a problem. If those


things were set down the pub, the same thing would not have happened.


It is because it is written down. If there had been banter in someone's


home, would it have at the same impact? I don't think so but I would


be disturbed if we had somebody in a leading position his audit would be


OK to use that banter. It reflects something about the way he views


women. Lets leave it there. This morning Ed Miliband appeared


on TV and revealed he spends ?70 to Was it tea, groceries,


travel or mobile phone charges? At the end of the show Sally


will give us the correct answer. As we all know, the country's


gearing up for the local and Euro But Ed Miliband doesn't seem to have


got that memo - he's been unveiling policies more suited to


a general election campaign. Here's what


the Labour Party policy factory has First off the production line,


its plans to give those on Then, the star product at the Labour


local election campaign launch targeted "generation rent",


with calls to to cap rent increases, abolish letting fees


and introduce longer tenancies. Next off the conveyor belt was


speedier access for GP appointments ?100 million


of savings would be made elsewhere The most recent offering to be


packaged for distribution was a plan to set


a statutory minimum wage target. However, this one's not yet quite


made its way off the factory floor - with an exact figure to be announced


nearer the general election. It seems the smoke will continue


to pour from the Labour policy but can Ed Miliband hit


on the golden ticket that will get voters queuing up


at the polling booths in 2015? Here's what Ed Miliband


had to say this morning. When I go around the country, people


don't say the cost of living crisis is over. People have said I will on


zero hours on that, -- I am on a zero hour contract and I am


struggling. People in Crawley said to me, we can't afford to buy a


house. We are struggling with the rent and can't afford to buy a


house. There is a deep problem about the way the country is run. It feels


to so many people like the system is rigged against them, it is run for a


few people at the top, not for them. That is a question that goes beyond


this election, beyond even apolitical party or a political


leader, it is much bigger. It is a profound question about how we run


our country and I am determined we tackle it.


With us now is Labour's Stephen Timms - the Shadow Employment


Minister - and the Conservative Business Minister Matt Hancock.


Labour haven't made the impact you would have hoped for in terms of


headlines and coverage. They are just not gathering attention ahead


of local and European elections. I think they will. We have been


setting up the concerns, people know there is a recovery underway but


they are not feeling better off as a result -- setting out the concerns.


To enable people to benefit, we need some major changes and those are the


ones we have been setting out, being with the fact that few bills are


going up so fast, -- dealing with the fact that fuel bills. Raising


the minimum wage. All of those things can ensure the recovery


benefits not just a few at the top, but everybody. If there is such a


crisis, as Labour keeps saying, in the cost of living and people are


not feeling the recovery, you would have thought these policies would


have caught on, and they haven't. Not in the way that your proposed


intervention in the energy market definitely did. That captured the


zeitgeist, these have not. I think we are still benefiting from that


and we are setting up a range of policies that build on that, which


will deal with the question, how can we make sure everyone and if it's


from the recovery that is now underway. -- everyone benefits.


Retail sales have already been going up over the past few months. It


rather mitigates what you are saying about a cost of living crisis. Let's


see what happens. The average family is ?1600 worse off since the


election. Inflation figures, they were hired than the rate of pay. I


don't think we have seen the end of the problem by any means. We will


not argue about statistics because we have had those debates before.


The government will say, look at growth, look at the recovery. But


you have mimicked some of the policies that Labour has put


forward, certainly in terms of energy prices. You wanted to


intervene on that. The Prime Minister also made a comment about


rents. So you have chased the narrative. With the rent issue, we


put that forward at our conference last year and Ed Miliband said


something in this area. Which policy? The policy on making sure


there is the opportunity to have longer-term rents. It is very


difficult to discern what the Labour Party policy is. When you say it is


rent controls, they say it is not. They say, is it what we set out at


the conference, they don't want to admit to that. There is a bigger


picture, why aren't any of these proposals cutting through? It is a


hodgepodge, a whole series of little announcements, some of which fall


apart at the first sight. Some of which address concerns that matter,


but there is a big picture out there. You are saying growth is more


important. Looking at the issue of growth is more important than the


smaller issues, even if they are a concern. You have put it rather


well. I hope it is how you would put it rather than I would. There is a


big picture. We have a long-term economic plan to deal with the


economy. It is starting to bear fruit. The job is by far from done.


It is making progress. The deficit is coming down. Pay is just adding


to get up there with inflation. -- just starting to. From Labour there


is no big picture plan, just a whole series of pocket piece, hodgepodge


policies that don't add up to anything. I would finish by saying


this. They add up to less than the sum of their parts. That is the


problem with the Labour proposal. You will not agree with that but is


it because you can't do anything about growth? You cannot argue


against what is happening so you are having to go for, what he would


call, these smaller, sideline issues. We had three years with


hardly any growth at all. Thankfully at last, there is growth appearing


and hopefully that will be sustained. It has left us with a


very serious legacy of problems. For example, and most unprecedentedly


large number of people have been out of work for a long time -- almost


unprecedentedly. The measures Ed Miliband has set out the right thing


to do, otherwise we will be left with a recovery where only the very


few at the top are feeling the benefit and everyone else is left


behind. We can't carry like that. Declaration of course it


Of course it takes a long time to recover from the recession


established when you were in office. The key is this, on the really big


questions, are you going to borrow more than we are planning as a


government? It is a question that Ed Miliband will answer. He gives a


very compensated answer. We are very clear, this government promise to


end the deficit will stop Are you going to borrow more? It is


straightforward. We will want to end the deficit as soon as we possibly


can, in the next Parliament. We are setting out measures to do that in a


way that is fair to everyone, not just a few at the top. When this


government was elected, it said we would have steady growth and falling


unemployment, it didn't happen. It has left a big legacy of problems


that we will address. Will be Labour government borrow more than our


plans? Inter we will set out our detailed budget plans at the time --


We will set out our detailed budget plans at the time. Who is right? A


big question for you! Do people at home think growth is going up,


marvellous, or do they look at Labour and think, these issues of


looking at rent increases, GP appointments, do they have more


traction? I think at this stage, symbolic policies are quite useful.


I think where Matthew is right is that by the time of the general


election, it will be the big economic landscape that is where the


real fight will take place. I think the minimum wage, it is very


interesting. I think the Government have clearly been quite supportive


of a rise but it turned out to be very tiny. The symbol was there but


the policy was inadequate in my view. If I think back to the rows


there were when we were in government, that the world was going


to collapse as we knew it, if you say you want to make work pay, it


means the minimum wage has to go up. Otherwise the taxpayers pay, rather


than employers. I think these symbolic policies are important but


by the time of the general election, it is about the bigger


picture. Let's have a look at the minimum


wage because that is something Labour have said they want to put


up. I think George Osborne said he would increase it, you have not put


an exact figure on it but presumably it will be closer to ?7 an hour? It


is puzzling that George Osborne said there should be a significant


increase when it has not happened. We put in evidence to the low pay


commission that over two years you could have this sort of increase and


in the first year they proposed the minimum wage should go up by 3%,


more than average earnings. In fact, the report says that compared to


average earnings, the level of the minimum wage has never been higher,


and then it is going up faster than average earnings. Crucially, this is


done through the low pay commission, to make sure that as well as


unions, business is onside and everyone supports it, and it is done


in a way that does not cost jobs. You can put the evidence in you


want. You can get some direction. De Lo Paid Commission is this the


Independent. We can afford to see an increase. Crucially, I was amazed


that in labour's proposals they said the changes should happen


irrespective of the impact on the wider economy. The independent


directors have said this is not the right way to go on this. You need


businesses to be on board with this. I remember the negotiations with


industry at the time of the minimum wage and it was successful. It is


not good enough for ministers to say we should have an increase and then


not do anything to deliver it. The level of the minimum wage is 53% of


median earnings. It needs to rise. level of the minimum wage is 53% of


If the recovery is going to benefit not just a few at the top, but


everybody... I am not just a few at the top, but


supporter of the minimum wage. I want to look


supporter of the minimum wage. I business. The argument being


supporter of the minimum wage. I Matt Hancock is unique business


onside. We remember you did Matt Hancock is unique business


accepted issue. Let's speak to Digby accepted issue. Let's speak to Digby


previous government. The last people on earth who should plan anything is


a politician. I agree with you but there are loads of policies which


are not good for business. I think Labour are not good for business.


The plan we have this week is drawn up by Alan Buckle, the former chair


of KPMG. I am confident we can reach an agreement with business. At the


time of the 1997 general election, there was not time at that time --


there was not agreement at that time. People realised it was in the


country's interest that everybody should benefit from the recovery,


not just a few. When will the government increase the minimum


wage? October, ?26 50. It will have gone up faster than average earnings


-- it will go up to ?6 50. It will be done in a way which does not


damage jobs and has support from unions and business in a


non-partisan way. We put in evidence to say that we thought it can go up


now. We have made a load of progress. Let's look at one issue in


terms of the recovery. Is there a housing bubble in London? Clearly,


house prices are rising in London. Is there a double? It is very


difficult to know. There is huge amount of money coming in from


overseas. The London market, the figures show they are quite separate


from outside London. This debate on housing is often debated by people


who all have houses in London and we should not allow a coffee table


discussion around those who are themselves impacted... Mark Carney


says the UK has deep structural problems and poses the biggest risk


to the recovery. I strongly agree with Mark Carney but the point is,


over the whole country, house price inflation was much lower the figures


this morning showed. Outside of London, I was in Carlisle last week,


and making sure people can get access to homes and buy a home in


places like Carlisle where house prices are much lower is really


important. Should Help to Buy be reined in? When we set up Help to


Buy we gave the Bank of England the ability to do that. I would like him


to make the judgement on that. I'm concerned about what the government


and others have said about what Help to Buy is doing in the housing


market. I get the real thing we need to do is get more houses built.


Everyone agrees with that. It was a failure by Labour to build the


houses we needed. Equally, there has been a failure by this government to


build houses at the rate we need. It is worth saying something on that.


The number of completions of course was low but the number of starts has


really started to accelerate, partly because we put in place the


financing to get it going. The problem now is there is a housing


bubble mouth to take the heat out of it should help to Bybee reindeer


and? -- should help to Bali be reined in? My concern is that we


could be heading in the direction of a bubble again now. Thank you.


Now if you've been a regular watcher of the Daily Politics over the past


few weeks, you'd know that as well as providing you with in-depth


and enthralling coverage of the big parties contesting this week's


elections, we've also taken time to talk to some of the smaller parties.


Adam Fleming is outside parliament with representatives of not one -


We have Nikki Sinclaire, a leader We Demand a Referendum Now Party, Tommy


Tomescu, who is the leader of Europeans Party and Brian Denny who


is leader of the No2EU. What is your policy? We believe there should be a


referendum now. Surely investment is the, uncertainty is the biggest


uncertainty of investment so therefore we cannot wait three


years. We are quite clearly saying we need that referendum now. It was


my campaign which forced David Cameron to the dispatch box and


forced him to offer that referendum. By re-electing me in the West


Midlands, you will have someone who will fight for a referendum.


Realistically, people who really want a referendum to happen should


just vote Tory in the next election, shouldn't they? David Cameron said


he wanted to stop banging on about Europe. It was my petition which


forced the debate in Parliament, it has forced him to the dispatch box


and forced the issue. This shows what one small party with one MEP


can actually do. By re-electing me in the West Midlands is someone who


will not let David Cameron renege on his promises as Prime Minister 's


have in the past. Tommy Tomescu, what made you quit dentistry and


take up politics? There is a lot of offences against Romanians and this


coincides with the latest campaign and what UKIP have said. We have


said no one takes any kind of measures against these and people


are becoming more and more... We demand a case to be followed and we


demand the Crown Prosecution Service go and analyse the case against


Nigel Farage for incitement to hatred... You think he should be


prosecuted? He should be prosecuted, clearly. He does not have to be


above the law just because the party is afraid they will lose votes. Have


you called the police to complain about him? I have done a complaint,


I am preparing to send it. I have a clip which I have placed on the


Europeans Party page and we are preparing to send it. Now Nigel


Farage is also setting up an army. It is not enough that he is


portraying racial hate attacks against Romanians. The People's


Army, was at that one of Hitler's early slogans? He is also saying


that some people from different nations are against, are better than


other nations. It is the same agenda. Brian, waiting very


patiently, you are No2EU, what are you yes to? We are yes to democracy


and yes to workers' rights. The EU is undermining workers' rights


across Europe. Look at Greece and Portugal and countries like Romania.


Collective bar and has been abolished and also EU rules out


privatising our public services. It is interesting you talk about UKIP


because UKIP are campaigning for the European rail directives to be


rolled out across the EU. UKIP MEPs are campaigning for the


privatisation of railways across Europe and they are campaigning for


the privatisation of the NHS. None of those policies will be popular


with the British electorate. The point is, most British people


support the National Health Service and they support renationalisation


of the roadways and No2EU was the only party standing on that platform


in this election -- nationalisation of the railways. Has at the EU been


great for workers' rights like the working time directive? In Greece,


if you go on strike, the Athens transport workers, you are


conscripted into the army automatically. That is not the


agenda that social Europe is opposed to be in lamenting. Most of the


directives that are supposed to defend workers are soft law, they do


not implement it and the massive loopholes. The Swedish derogation


means it cannot be it lamented so social Europe is a con. So you want


means it cannot be it lamented so to withdraw from a system,? Jelena


Renaud we to withdraw from a system,? Jelena


regardless. -- we need to grasp the nettle and make that decision.


Either be fully involved in the EU or leave it all together. If people


vote to leave your referendum -- if people vote for referendum... What


will you do? We do not think the free movement of capital, labour and


goods and services is a good way of running society. It does not mean


immigration will be abolished. The last word to Tommy. You should not


just pick and choose. There are some good things and bad things in


Europe. And also we are for a referendum. But people should be


informed about this and people should choose who to inform but now


they are afraid to do that because they are afraid. I ask the people to


vote for the Europeans Party for the migrant workers. Thank you for


joining us, we will continue discussing this but I have to hand


back to the studio. Thank you. With just 48 hours to go before


polling day across the country, we've decided to send our reporters


out and about to get a flavour of how the election campaigns are going


- and what voters make of it all. Today Giles is in Milton Keynes.


Giles. Good morning. We are in


Keynes having a look at the microcosm of local elections. Local


Keynes having a look at the elections get notoriously bad


turnouts. Is it because we do not really care or is it because what


drives our vote is not just local issues. We took our infamous mood


box into centre MKII asked an important question.


It is an important question.


It important question, do people vote on local issues or national


issues? Let's find out what the shoppers think.


this government, although there is no other government that can take


over that are better than they are... I just want them to opt for


their are... I just want them to opt for


are... To you, it are... I just want them to opt for


because you would vote for that party anyway? Yes, basically. If you


were to choose? Local. Thank you very much. Slightly bending the


democratic process by allowing a youngster to vote, but why not start


them early? Without on what is going to be better


them early? Without on what is going community. I don't care. Every


politician is a liar. National. community. I don't care. Every


Because it would affect everybody, not just me, not just our local


community. Everybody wants two votes, that is not how it works. I


don't bother with the local things. They do what they do with our money.


National is much more important. Do you know who your local candidates


are? No. Do you know what they stand for? Not really. But still the local


issues are relevant? Yes, of course. for? Not really. But still the local


I haven't heard anything from my local candidate. If they can't make


the effort, why should you? This is it, very true. It is a general


attitude to politics, life, and how they are going to treat people. I


think there is also a disconnect in terms of voters perceiving what can


be done locally. Because local government is so controlled by


central government. The way the local one, it gives more people more


of a say. With the national one, you don't really get heard. Here is the


thing. It was interesting. At first it was all local issues that were


more important, then there was a splurge as people started to think,


sometimes they vote in local elections to send a national


message, sometimes they don't know a lot about what is going


message, sometimes they don't know a and sometimes they don't think they


are that important. In the end, national issues has just won.


It is not necessarily scientific but it does change the way politicians


come to your doorstep. Let's find out how it works with two candidates


who will be standing. Just explain to me, the problem for Labour, it


seems to me, if you don't do well, everybody turns around and says, Ed


Miliband is in trouble, Labour is in trouble. If you do well, everyone


says, the opposition always does well in local elections when they


are not in power. It is a bit of a lose-lose situation. Not really. I


think what truly matters is we do a good job locally, talking about


issues that matter to local people. Things like affordable housing,


child care, the fact that living is getting harder for most people. Why


is it that a lot of people didn't know who their candidates were and


what they were doing locally? Milton Keynes is a huge city with 19 seats


up for election. It is difficult to get across to everybody in the city


what we are talking about. What we do have local fights and we are


trying to get out there. We spoke to 1000 people at the weekend. We are


listening to what people say. If you are in power, and many people I


spoke to yesterday said, local elections, I am not that fast, I


will use it to send the government a bloody nose -- not that bothered


about it. It means whatever you're doing, they are judging you on


completely different, they are not even judging you. We do get that


message on the doorstep at times but I den think they are being as


judgemental on this government as others may have been -- I don't


think. They are saying national policies are helping malting


Keynes. We are getting others saying they appreciate what we have done


locally. -- helping Milton Keynes. People who may have voted a


different weights are saying, you have done a good job and we support


you. -- who have voted a different way. Is it a failure of local


government to explain what it does? Or is it a failure of the press to


promote local elections... We are here, now! You are complaining! I am


saying that you talk a lot about European elections and general


elections in the run-up, local elections are often portrayed as the


referendum on what is happening nationally. They are not bad. Local


elections affect people more on the ground in the locality where they


live than any other elections. -- they are not that. It is people who


vote to say, I don't see them as important as other types of election


and don't seem to get the idea of what you can and can't do for them.


We can do lots. The government has made it far more to God for us to


implement affordable housing. The government is failing on childcare.


These issues come across on the doorstep, they want to know what we


are going to do about them. That is why we do it out onto the doorstep.


I was talking to somebody and other day who voted Labour and


Conservative in the past and was thinking about voting UKIP. When we


said why, he didn't know. There is the question, are you both worried?


A lot of people think you should both be worried of the fact that


people don't necessarily know what they are for, but they are thinking


about voting for them. The media have had a love affair for UKIP, now


it seems they love to hate them. What have they got to offer locally?


Absolutely nothing. They have no local politicians, they have one


policy, to withdraw from Europe. Why would you ever vote UKIP in a local


election? Thank you very much. We will be speaking to a UKIP candidate


and the Lib Dems later. Join us later.


And you can find a list of all the candidates standing


in the local elections in Milton Keynes on the council's website -


Sally Morgan, were you surprised that people viewed local elections


as more important? I think it varies. I think it does vary from


counsel to counsel. If councils are effective and capture the big mood


locally, people support them. Sometimes that is by symbolic


policies. Even in the constraints of the current position... I spoke to


somebody last night, literally in the pub after a meeting, who lived


in Southwark. He was saying, I think the council getting their act


together, they are going to offer free gym membership. That was


interesting, they were using their health and well-being money to do


something interesting and symbolic, and bluntly, eye-catching, and


saying, we want it to be really active in terms of doing something


interesting on the health agenda. Sometimes an city council -- and


imaginative counsel can spell out policies in an effective way --


sometimes Annan Our guest of the day - Baroness


Morgan - is the chair of Oftsed, the But she'll only be in the job


for a few more months. Earlier this year a row broke out


over the Education Secretary's the Education Secretary, Michael


Gove, has confirmed that the Labour peer, Lady Morgan, who chairs


Ofsted, will not be given a second spell in the post.


The spell in the post.


of making a determined effort to put Tory supporters in charge of public


bodies. The claim has been made by Baroness Morgan after she was told


she would not be reappointed as the head of state. It was a huge shock


for Baroness Morgan come in the Bitcoin


It became a huge story because Sally establishment.


It became a huge story because Sally Morgan decided to take it not lying


down. She went on the airwaves to denounce Michael Gove and Downing


Street for taking the decision on party political grounds. I am the


latest of a fairly long list of people who are nonconservative


supporters who are not being reappointed. I think there is a


pattern and it is extremely worrying. One of the important


things is that public appointments are made on the basis of merits.


Sally Morgan knows all about politics, she was once a senior aide


to Tony Blair. She was 180 degrees wrong in that the Tories were


stuffing quangos with Tories. More Labour people get appointed and


Tories. She will think she has got a pretty good media hit, she is


eloquent, she got her message across, she lit up the sky that


Saturday warning and did not get much criticism. The Education


Secretary Michael Gove praised Sally Morgan and denied it was a little


move. I appointed her in the first by snowing she was Labour. We have


move. I appointed her in the first Labour adviser to head the NHS. --


move. I appointed her in the first appoint on merit. Applications for


the new chair of Ofsted have now closed and no one will be more


interested in who gets the job than the outgoing chair, Sally Morgan.


And of course Sally Morgan is still with us.


And of course Sally Morgan is still


I said there was an inclination for nonconservative to be put into


posts. I said what I needed to say at the time. My absolute commitment


is to hope Ofsted goes from strength to strength. At the end of the clip


you said, I am interested in who gets the post. That is because I


wanted to be somebody who really cares and understands why Ofsted is


important and can work well with the chief inspector. You said you


anxious about that pattern. I am anxious about any suggestion that


decisions are not being made on capability and merit. If we have


public appointments, they must always be seen to be made on merit


and must be made on merit. I had a concern that wasn't happening. Do


you still have that concern? I hope that in a sense by raising the


issue, possibly there is a bit more focus. What was the evidence to


support your concern? Fraser Nelson said the government will actually


appointing more Labour people to various quangos or government


agencies. I am not in favour of any government placing people into


things. It is entirely inappropriate. If Labour put people


in who were not appropriate, would have condemned that as well. What is


very important is that important positions are made on the basis of


merit regardless of politics. It is not to say Conservatives should not


get it, I rarely clear about that. If a strong conservative person with


a commitment to education, who gets on well and constructively and can


give support to an extremely good chief expected, -- inspector, that


is fine by me. The important thing is the right people are appointed


who can take is organisations forward. There's not much point in


having independent unless they are independent. My absolute commitment


now and when I finish is the importance of Ofsted and I will


continue to support it from outside. Let's have a look at the Department


of education. It doesn't seem to have been a happy ship. There was a


divide between the Lib Dems and Conservatives, more recently there


has been a row over free school meals, what is your view? There is a


lot of noise and it is partly a symptom of being in the last year of


a coalition government. I think the differences on education, across all


of the parties, are not that great. You can either choose to make them


significant or you can say, there is a lot of consensus. What I would


say, briefings, public rows, private leaking of things, is not a good way


to run a government. I would have to say as a teacher, get your house in


order, it is not very good way to be running education. You think the


parties are much closer and some of it is manufactured in terms of the


differences. Are you happy and clear with what Labour's policy is


regarding free schools. Completely. Between all the parties, there is


not that much difference on free schools. Labour's position is clear,


labour supports free schools, it may call them something different. Why


not just call them academies, because they are academies? That was


the beginning of a symbolic noise in the system. Because free schools


have the same funding arrangements as academies. Free schools are a new


form of academies with a different name. Apart from that they are not


different. The issue that Labour and the Lib Dems, probably, is when


things are tough, when money is tight, who should decide where free


schools are and where should they be? Should they be in areas of need?


That is where the parties differ? Should the teachers be qualified?


Tristram Hunt has been clear about that. His view is that teachers


should be qualified. My view is that people do not necessarily have to be


qualified when they walk into a classroom but over time people


should get qualified. Actually, you are always going to have music


teachers and extra sports teachers who are not. There is a big divide.


I think there are not many unqualified teachers in any school


including private schools. What about inspecting private schools. Is


that an appropriate role for Ofsted? I'm sure if I was talking to the


chief finance he would say, as long as we get the funding! I think that


is an interesting idea. I am pleased that Michael Gove suggested it. When


we have such a varied system now as we do, with free schools and with


academies and with maintained schools and independent schools, and


nobody is very clear about at all, what is the thing parents can hold


on to? They can hold onto Ofsted viewing all schools in the same way


through the same prism. That is not the case for independent schools. I


suspect quite a lot of good heads and parents would have a view that


it is well come across the whole system. Ofsted is evolved into an


investigation in Birmingham, the so-called Trojan horse plot, do we


know when they will be able to publish their report? I think it


will be next week. I am really pleased that Michael was sure took a


personal view on the whole thing. He will report on that next week. And


the academies trust will be the first one to close? What is really


important is and what of the key issues going forward is, where is


the oversight of schools around the country? People need to know where


to turn to if they are concerned? At the moment, the only place people


know about is Ofsted but there needs to be something else between the


Department and between the individual schools.


More now on the local election campaign. Giles is in Milton Keynes.


These days it is a much more colourful political spectrum. There


is yellow in government for the first time and there is purple on


the map. Our Conservative spokesperson took no time at all to


dig into UKIP. Stuart Moore is standing for them. Robin Bradburn is


standing for the Lib Dems. We pretty much know now what UKIP stand for in


national terms, they have been great clear about that, what you do


locally? What is your policy on schools admissions or clearing the


beans, recycling? The first thing we will do in local government is


listen to the people and use a bit of common sense. Our local policies


have been on our website for over four months now. They have been


published by the North Branch and the South Branch. The problem is,


people have been given rhetoric. the South Branch. The problem is,


They do not understand we are a serious threat. Our policies include


protection of schools, investing in schools, helping more senior


citizens who are not as well. Can you do that if you do not win the


council and you will not win the council, will you? We can make a


very, very serious difference. At the moment, we will either be in a


conservative or a Labour council. We can make a serious impact and not


let them can make a serious impact and not


they have made so far. One of the things is it is hard for you to go


on the doorstep and say, that was asked when it might have been all of


you, how would you make a difference on the doorstep? We make a


difference because we contact the residents all year round. In Milton


Keynes we produce a document which we sent around every four weeks. A


lot of people do not know what their local councillors do. We try and


inform them. It is an education process. You put the information


before them and then they make their decisions. Isn't it true that a


smaller party in with a coalition government for the first time, it


does not matter what you do, you will get voted on because of what is


happening with Nick Clegg in government rather than you in Milton


Keynes? We all appreciate that government rather than you in Milton


we work hard for the community. Things


we work hard for the community. in Milton Keynes. We will push that


information to the voters so they can understand that we work for the


community, not just for election advantage at this time. I do not


community, not just for election know if you have said anything daft


but some of your fellow councillors have, how much damage is that


but some of your fellow councillors for you? No no matter what party you


are in, for you? No no matter what party you


something really daft then it will make a difference. But I think most


people will have a certain degree of more common sense. I they voting for


you or are they voting not for more common sense. I they voting for


others? I think it is a combination. Some of them are fed up and they


want change. Some new voters are coming to us because what we say a


sense. Do you miss coming to us because what we say a


party? The point is, coming to us because what we say a


for UKIP does not get things done. When you vote for us, we get things


done. The local administration at the moment have renege on the pink


sank recycling by reducing the number that are available. Our


record of being the top 57% number that are available. Our


in the country is under jeopardy because of a decision. It


interesting enough. You may think pink sacks and mowing


interesting enough. You may think a bit parochial but when you talk to


people, that is the sort of things they notice and the things in local


elections which actually count. That is it, Jo.


day in Milton Keynes.


And you can check out all the candidates standing for


Milton Keynes council at www.milton-keynes.gov.uk


Now - is Ed Miliband the kind of guy you'd like to have


I ask because Ed Balls has felt the need to make it clear that he and Ed


have enjoyed a few beers together, having previously said they had


So why are top politicians so keen to be seen as someone


In a moment we'll discuss that. First though, take a look at this.


Have a look at that colour. And cheers. They have already started


talking. I'm joined now by Alex Bull,


brewmaster of the By The Horns brewery, the wine and beer critic,


Oz Clarke, and Chair of the all-party group


on beer, the Conservative MP, Why is it so important for


politicians to be seen as the sort of person you would like to be with


down the pub? of person you would like to be with


down I think it is about likeability. Having a pint of beer


is one of life's simple pleasures. If a politician can demonstrate they


are the sort of guy you would want to have applied with, then they are


the sort of person you would trust to take decisions to in government.


I was going to say, also, we have demonstrated that MPs do get it,


they do understand that British beer is a great fantastic product, our


pubs are important to our communities and it is not just about


posing and being seen with applied in your hand like Nigel Farage, it


is about supporting British pubs and British beer which is so important


to our communities. Let's talk about the issue of likeability. Alex, we


have a range of beers here. If we think about the leaders of the main


political parties, which one do you think would suit which party leader?


We will start with our Stiff Per Lit. We will pay this with Ed


Miliband which is not what you might think -- stiff upper lip. The


gentleman on the front has a likeness. It is a light ale, 3.8%


and probably more akin to the sum of the week nature of how he presents


himself at times. You are making political comments! Pass it over to


Oz Clarke. See if the flavour matches the personality that you


think of Ed Miliband. I had not thought of stiff upper lip. I


thought of an upper lip that goes like this, not stiff. I want to see


if there is a bit of finish to the beer or not. It is very well


balanced. Are you sure this is Ed Balls beer? The bitterness in it is


maybe the bitterness of a good loser. Sally Morgan, you will have


something to say about that! How cruel. It refreshes you. Maybe some


of Ed's remarks have refreshed. Let's go on to Diamond Geezer. This


Is Nick Clegg. He Is A Happy Guy This May Sway With Who Is Winning.


They are both diamond geezers. It is much rounder. Are you sure this is


Nick Clegg? It is very self-confident. Nick Clegg does have


an amazing ability to be self-confident. It is nice and


multi. The bitterness is much less on this. Still refreshing. -- nice


and malty. We will be interesting to hear where the comments go as he


drinks more and more! In a macro -- this represents David Cameron. It is


called the Lambeth walk. I am not sure about that. I do not think Ken


Livingstone would allow David Cameron to promenade in amber unless


he has a nice house in Kennington. I will come back briefly to Andrew


Griffiths. Talking about beers and pubs, does it put of female voters?


No, more and more women are drinking cask ale. I have enjoyed a pint of


beer with David Cameron. He likes a nice ale. George Osborne was the


first chancellor in history to cut beer duty twice in successive years.


Well done for getting that in! Nice, chunky, London Porter,


presumably able to take the weight of the country on his shoulders.


Very briefly the last one. The last one is Wolf E Smith. It is for Nigel


Farage. The beer it self is a amber ale. It is perhaps a bit of a


dreamer this beer. I liked his paws. Go on, what do you think? This is a


good dream. It is wonderfully aromatic, it is beautifully bitter.


It has a citrus lime and lemon zest quality. It may be Nigel Farage's


aftershave. If this is Nigel, wow. Cheers for all of you. We have just


got time to find the answer to our quiz. What did Ed Miliband spend 70


to ?80 in a week, was it he, groceries and a travel or mobile


phone chargers. I think it is groceries. Thanks to Sally Morgan


and all our guests. Andrew and I will be here at new and. -- new net


tomorrow. Goodbye.


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