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Afternoon, folks, welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:36. | :00:37. | |
It's the final day of campaigning ahead of European | :00:38. | :00:39. | |
The leaders are all still out and about, trying to pick up | :00:40. | :00:51. | |
last-minute votes in what promises to be one of the most significant | :00:52. | :01:00. | |
It wouldn't be an election without a few cock-ups, | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
I'm live at the new library in Birmingham to find out how voters | :01:05. | :01:17. | |
feel about the candidates in the European elections with less than 24 | :01:18. | :01:18. | |
hours to go. We'll talk about what not to do | :01:19. | :01:20. | |
when you're trying to get elected. And with the polls all over | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
the place - well, kind of - we turn the stars to get the real analysis | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
our party political astrologer. And with us | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
for this elections extravaganza is the pollster's pollster, a man who | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
always checks his horoscope - He's conducted more surveys | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
than you've had hot dinners. He's probably even run a poll | :01:40. | :01:48. | |
about hot dinners. What was the outcome? People like | :01:49. | :01:54. | |
them! That cost us ?10,000! So, | :01:55. | :02:04. | |
the party leaders are having a busy Ed Miliband has embarked | :02:05. | :02:06. | |
on a US-style ten-stop tour of the country, each stop designed to | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
highlight a different Labour policy. buy some red roses for his wife | :02:12. | :02:18. | |
Justine and promote his pledge to He'll be hoping to move on from | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
several gaffes during interviews yesterday, including getting into | :02:22. | :02:28. | |
a muddle over how much his flesh yesterday, including getting into | :02:29. | :02:35. | |
a muddle over how much his And the Dave and Boris show has hit | :02:36. | :02:38. | |
the road, pressing the flesh The Prime Minister didn't buy | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
anything for SamCam but he bought Of course, Newark's the scene for | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
a crucial by-election on the 5th of June, and the Tories are throwing | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
the kitchen sink, which includes their biggest stars, like Boris, | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
at the campaign to try to stop And Nigel Farage and Nick Clegg have | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
been out on the airwaves, too. Of course, the BBC's going to be | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
bringing you coverage of the local elections tomorrow night | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
and then again on Friday afternoon. Then overnight on Sunday, | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
we'll have those all-important And, as usual, Jeremy Vine has blown | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
the Beeb's annual graphics budget. Here he is to explain what's up | :03:17. | :03:24. | |
for grabs. The local elections will cover 36 | :03:25. | :03:36. | |
metropolitan boroughs. Let's look at the map. Most of them held by | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
Labour. 19 unitary authorities and the 32 boroughs of London and you | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
can see lots of places where people are not voting. If we have a look at | :03:45. | :03:48. | |
the result last year you will see what happened and why it was quite | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
stunning. This is projected national share as if the local elections had | :03:53. | :03:54. | |
been The reason for this is the emergence | :03:55. | :04:05. | |
of UKIP at 23% and the first time they have been on this craft. To | :04:06. | :04:11. | |
give it some context, we can go back to 2007 and look at the local | :04:12. | :04:18. | |
election results. 2007, Conservatives doing well. Labour in | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
power. The governing party, as always, getting punished. Gordon | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
Brown really struggling. 2010 is the year to focus on. These power seats | :04:28. | :04:36. | |
that were up last week. What you see is almost a difficulty for Labour of | :04:37. | :04:39. | |
really showing the Conservatives a clean pair of heels. And this is | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
quite an unusual pattern, with all three parties here looking quite | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
suppressed. Surely that is the effect of UKIP coming in and making | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
such an impact. There are also elections to the European | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
such an impact. There are also and here is the battle ground. 500 | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
million people in it! If we look at the UK last time, 12 regions with 73 | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
MEPs to be sent the UK last time, 12 regions with 73 | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
only one coloured read last time. the UK last time, 12 regions with 73 | :05:09. | :05:15. | |
But we can break it down in a slightly simple manner. | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
But we can break it down in a UKIP purple where they are strongest | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
and some Lib Dem orange as well. But clearly blue tells the story. The | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
Conservatives, the overall winners. Half as many for UKIP and Labour. | :05:28. | :05:33. | |
Conservatives, the overall winners. The Lib Dems on 11. They | :05:34. | :05:36. | |
Conservatives, the overall winners. night. And two for the Greens. That | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
was the result last time. What will happen this time? Well, look at the | :05:43. | :05:49. | |
polls and what they say about voting intentions in European elections. | :05:50. | :05:50. | |
You see an extraordinary intentions in European elections. | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
UKIP. This time last intentions in European elections. | :05:54. | :05:54. | |
in first place when it intentions in European elections. | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
people will vote in a European intentions in European elections. | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
and Labour powers through. The Lib Dems really struggling and the | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
Conservatives a bit more robust than expected. But here we are at the | :06:07. | :06:13. | |
end. And this is what we will be watching during this election. Who | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
will take first? Could UKIP really put Labour into second? | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
So that is what 21st century graphics look like! I have only seen | :06:24. | :06:31. | |
hours! Ben, the polls are all over the place but they are not | :06:32. | :06:37. | |
consistent. One thing they seem to be getting consistent is that UKIP | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
is the first in the European polls? In most of them and there is one out | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
today where people have them level pegging. But certainly UKIP are | :06:47. | :06:49. | |
doing much better than last time. They were second last time and if | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
they are second this time it will be by a very narrow margin. One thing | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
we have to remember is that all polls have a margin of error | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
attached to them. The average poll has at least a 3-point error rate. | :07:01. | :07:08. | |
So it is getting almost too close to call between Labour and UKIP, but it | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
will all be about the machine on the ground and whether you can get your | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
voters out. And the postal vote? Yes, and Nigel Farage is hoping that | :07:19. | :07:25. | |
will have Been cast before some of the cock ups of the last day or two. | :07:26. | :07:32. | |
We have always known that Labour voters are a bit less likely, | :07:33. | :07:42. | |
traditionally, to get out. They don't get out to the polling | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
station. We will know in a little while. Is possible UKIP, Labour and | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
the Tories could be quite close together? That the spread between | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
the three will not be huge absolutely. Conservatives probably | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
in third place but it is absolutely neck and neck between Labour and | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
UKIP and anything could happen, to be quite honest. And pollsters have | :08:05. | :08:10. | |
been asking how you would vote in the European elections and then the | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
general or even the local tomorrow. What do the local... What do the | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
polls tell us about the local elections? To be honest, there | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
haven't been a great deal of polls about those because there are so | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
many different local circumstances. Labour did pretty well last time. So | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
we should see Labour, if they are going to do well at a general | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
election, you would want to see them holding on. Trafford is | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
interesting. Can Labour in a northern city take Trafford from the | :08:42. | :08:49. | |
Conservatives crept -- Conservatives? But they could lose a | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
few councillors next time, or on Thursday. Will the local election | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
results, when we get them late tomorrow night, will they tell us | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
more about the general election than the European election results? To be | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
honest, because they are voting at the same time, they will tell us | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
more about the European elections because this is the turnout and in | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
general elections it is so much higher. One word of caution, these | :09:16. | :09:23. | |
almost have no correlation with what happened that General elections. | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
Tony Blair got beaten all over the shop by the Conservatives but then | :09:28. | :09:33. | |
won handsomely. Who will come first in the European elections? UKIP but | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
only probably. And it could change. There you go! He is hedging his | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
bets. And I am right to do so! Now, on yesterday's show we were | :09:43. | :09:49. | |
in Milton Keynes talking Today we've sent Adam to Britain's | :09:50. | :09:52. | |
second biggest city He's there talking to people | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
about tomorrow's European elections and he's visiting | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
the city's brand new library. Hello, good to see you. Welcome to | :10:02. | :10:08. | |
Birmingham and the brand-new library. Look at it glinting there | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
in the beautiful summer sunshine. It opened last September and I am told | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
it has 800,000 books and even a slightly smaller EU section which | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
was empty today, apart from the Daily Politics producers, who were | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
swatting up for this item! Out there is the West Midlands, with something | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
like four and a bit million voters for the European elections. They | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
will be sending seven MEPs to Strasbourg and Brussels as a result | :10:37. | :10:39. | |
of this vote but how hard are the party is working to try to win | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
voters over? If only there were a tried and tested way to work it out. | :10:45. | :10:53. | |
We have brought our famous soapbox and voting box to the famous | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
bullring. The question, have you had any contact with the parties? What | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
kind have you had? The Conservatives. It was just the | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
leaflet. What did you think? I thought it was quite good. What | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
about the others? What did that make you think? It made me think, where | :11:14. | :11:19. | |
are they? Can you remember anything that was said? I will lead them this | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
evening because I have them ready to read. Have you had in the | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
information from the political parties about the European | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
elections? No. Nobody knocking at the door? No. Do think that is a bit | :11:34. | :11:43. | |
weird? Definitely. Do you think it is a bit | :11:44. | :11:46. | |
heard anything and there is a big election coming up? Yes! I didn't | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
even know there was a big election coming up! Have you had any of the | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
ration about the European elections? Everybody did the same tricks in the | :11:58. | :12:05. | |
book. Really? Yeah! I've been away for 14 years. There's a lot to catch | :12:06. | :12:13. | |
up! Tony Blair isn't here any more! Who has better leaflets? We have! We | :12:14. | :12:25. | |
are a party! Free mascara! We have had people knocking at the door | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
bothering us. It has been a bit intense. Pretty annoying, yeah. What | :12:31. | :12:37. | |
if you got a tweet from a political party? Possibly. Or a Facebook... | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
Have you had any contact from the political parties? Don't all come | :12:44. | :12:50. | |
knocking at the door at once! It depends what they are saying. | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
Picture this. David Cameron at the door? He would have to go right | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
through the gate and over the wall! Have you seen any of the party | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
election broadcast? Yes. Can you remember them? I was pretty | :13:06. | :13:14. | |
impressed with the Labour one. I was pretty impressed. I know people have | :13:15. | :13:21. | |
been criticising. So you have been two hustings at university. Do you | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
think we need more of that around elections? Yes. I was surprised at | :13:28. | :13:35. | |
how ruthless it was. Have we inspired you when you get home? Yes. | :13:36. | :13:43. | |
Some have had contact but not a big majority by any means. Come on! | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
People are waiting for a leaflet! And, conveniently, we have some | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
politicians right here to ask them about it. We have Anthea McIntyre of | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
the Conservatives and James Carver from UKIP. Can it really be true | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
that the public haven't had any contact from any of you? I think | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
that is surprisingly. We have sent an individual address to every | :14:07. | :14:16. | |
elector. You haven't had as much it delivered experience getting out to | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
the voters. The party has come a very long way in recent years. We | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
have a record number of elections. 77% of the seats at this time. | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
have a record number of elections. have the people to get out and I am | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
very, very encouraged. And I will be running people to the polling | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
station as a candidate. It is all very hands on deck and we are | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
confident of a superb result. The Chancellor was saying that UKIP | :14:46. | :14:48. | |
could wreck the economy. What does he mean by that? I think they will | :14:49. | :14:51. | |
take votes he mean by that? I think they will | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
cannot deliver on anything they promised. Only Conservatives can | :14:56. | :14:56. | |
give promised. Only Conservatives can | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
produce a sustainable growth in the economy. And a vote for UKIP is a | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
protest that will just fly in the face of that. So if you want | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
changing Europe and done in-out referendum, the only party to vote | :15:11. | :15:20. | |
for is the Conservatives. -- and an. In last year's local elections, | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
across-the-board on the first past the post elections, when the | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
European Union was even raised, UKIP scored 24% of the vote. We are in a | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
situation now with a Prime Minister in a difficult situation with his | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
own party because of the motives of the British people. Much of our | :15:37. | :15:42. | |
support comes from people who haven't voted in the previous | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
elections so UKIP is invigorating the British public and not since the | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
birth in the 1900 have people been so ready for a positive message. | :15:52. | :15:59. | |
That's a big claim! Prime Minister is a big position. We have an | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
improving economy, inward investment, growth is predicted to | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
rise, we do not want to risk that with a protest vote with a party | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
that cannot deliver anything. They like to make you think they can, but | :16:14. | :16:19. | |
that cannot deliver anything. They give you a referendum is the Tories. | :16:20. | :16:26. | |
The referendum will be in 2017, we are told, would you like it earlier | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
than that? No, I would not. I want to see renegotiation and reform. I | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
think we can make you are a lot better for the UK, and we have got | :16:37. | :16:39. | |
think we can make you are a lot to try and do that and then we will | :16:40. | :16:48. | |
have the referendum. I met a parrot the other day and the Conservatives | :16:49. | :16:49. | |
sound just like that! I am sorry, the other day and the Conservatives | :16:50. | :16:56. | |
Anthea... Let's have a sensible debate and not just insult! You are | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
being insulting to the British people because | :17:02. | :17:03. | |
being insulting to the British five years we should turn around and | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
renegotiate. Have I interrupted you? You have, yet! Let us listen to | :17:10. | :17:17. | |
what the vice president of the commission has said. He says there | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
should be no renegotiation. Sun that is not true! Can I ask a question? | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
should be no renegotiation. Sun that UKIP sense to MEPs to Brussels but | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
they have resigned from the party, what has gone on? -- sent to MEPs. | :17:29. | :17:36. | |
We are very confident we are going to do very well on May the 22nd and | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
there is a precedent here. In 1999, in the first European elections, a | :17:42. | :17:50. | |
former Labour MEP finished seventh. She stood as an independent Labour | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
candidate and did not even save her deposit. This election is about | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
political parties and the UKIP pound sign is on the ballot paper. If | :18:00. | :18:06. | |
people want to say, we have had enough of Europe, they can vote | :18:07. | :18:15. | |
UKIP. When I was doing the survey, the two politicians that people name | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
are Nigel Farage... That is saying that Nigel Farage is doing a good | :18:21. | :18:28. | |
job, he is going to reform. Tomorrow is not about that. The people who do | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
the work, that turnout, endlessly voting on behalf of Britain, they | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
are the Tories. UKIP vote against British interest. We are in a | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
library. When did you last go to a library and what did you borrow? | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
Probably Harry Potter! 1984, George Orwell. What does that say about you | :18:51. | :18:57. | |
too? ! You can find out more about the candidates on the West Midlands | :18:58. | :19:07. | |
pages on the BBC website. Thank you. A beautiful new library in the | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
centre of Birmingham. I hope it means they can knock down the old | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
library. There has been some breaking news while we have been on | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
air. Public funding for the Police Federation is going to be stopped | :19:23. | :19:30. | |
altogether from August. It currently gets ?190,000 per year from the | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
taxpayer. The Home Secretary Theresa May said that it is going to stop. | :19:36. | :19:43. | |
Now, every election campaign has its share of hiccups. | :19:44. | :19:46. | |
The kind of moments that wake the spin doctors in the dead | :19:47. | :19:49. | |
Who could forget Gordon Brown calling a Labour voter a bigot | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
in 2010, little realising his microphone was switched on. | :19:55. | :19:56. | |
Well, yesterday was a good day for fans of campaign blunders. | :19:57. | :19:59. | |
Ed Miliband had already got into a spot of bother after telling | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
an interviewer his family's weekly shop cost about ?70 or ?80, | :20:04. | :20:05. | |
when the average family of four typically spends more than ?100. | :20:06. | :20:08. | |
He then went on to give this interview to BBC Wiltshire. | :20:09. | :20:19. | |
What do you make of Jean Grant? I beg your pardon? You think he has | :20:20. | :20:30. | |
done a good job? I think lots of Labour representatives are doing a | :20:31. | :20:31. | |
good job right across the country. With us now is George Pascoe-Watson, | :20:32. | :21:18. | |
the former political editor of the With the benefit of hindsight, what | :21:19. | :21:37. | |
should he have done? He should have prepared. If you prepare properly | :21:38. | :21:43. | |
and you find yourself in that situation, it even if you had | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
forgotten the name of the Labour leader, you would have remembered | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
why you were in Swindon and you would have been able to say, it is a | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
long day, you would excuse me if I had forgotten his name. What I do | :21:56. | :22:01. | |
know is that he is fighting a strong campaign for as in Swindon on | :22:02. | :22:07. | |
whatever the issue is. You have to do things that are genuine and not | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
PR stunts which is where UKIP, of course, had their difficulties as | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
well. Work out why I'm in Swindon, you do not need to be there for any | :22:18. | :22:20. | |
other reason than to campaign. If you know that and prepare properly, | :22:21. | :22:29. | |
you can be genuine and authentic. Ed Miliband has all these people around | :22:30. | :22:32. | |
him, they travel with him, he has an entourage. Why did they not brief | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
him? Where were they? It is local elections, it is a local radio | :22:39. | :22:41. | |
programme, he should have been briefed by his people. It is a Tory | :22:42. | :22:48. | |
controlled town, we are so number of seats behind, and the leader is | :22:49. | :22:56. | |
called Jim. That is right, I am sure there is an inquest going on in the | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
Labour machine about that kind of thing. You need to bear in mind that | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
I have some sympathy with politicians. The election trail now | :23:04. | :23:11. | |
is very long, and they are trying to pick up stuff. They are trying to | :23:12. | :23:14. | |
focus on major international news which is happening. A microphone can | :23:15. | :23:20. | |
be crossed in their face any time. Here is the difference perhaps. In | :23:21. | :23:25. | |
the old days, he would have been in Swindon but on this, you were | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
sitting in a studio in London and doing one local radio station after | :23:31. | :23:36. | |
another. When you launch a book, that is what you do now. Maybe when | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
you do that, and you are not going to the location, and you are not | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
meeting anyone, you do not learn enough as you sure. And that is what | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
I mean by being authentic and doing things that are true rather than | :23:51. | :23:52. | |
presenting yourself as something you are not. I think what is really | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
interesting about this, though, on the wider picture, is that this | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
general election coming up next year is going to be the first digital | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
one, where things happen at 1 million million mph. Cock ups are | :24:08. | :24:19. | |
going to happen. Who is the guy, when they do make a clock up, is | :24:20. | :24:26. | |
going to get out of it in humility, with a human touch, and sort of | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
dance away from it? The Tories will take great heart from the fact that | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
Ed Miliband looked a bit stuck. He was not the only one stuck in the | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
wicket yesterday. UKIP decided to hold a multiracial carnival | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
yesterday in Croydon. I thought you were going to say car crash! What | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
could go wrong? Music and the people! Happiness! When did you | :24:52. | :25:09. | |
first know this was a UKIP demonstration? When we first got | :25:10. | :25:19. | |
here. Do you feel used? Slightly. I have heard they are not really | :25:20. | :25:25. | |
racist, I do not know. Are they racist? I'm not sure. Successive | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
governments have continued and still today, they fail to look after | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
communities like Croydon. Croydon was once the place to be, the place | :25:35. | :25:46. | |
to shop and it has now come a dump! Years standing in the Euro elections | :25:47. | :25:50. | |
for the area. That is a novel way to win vote. Whereas you would not | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
expect the Leader of the Opposition to get into that much trouble in a | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
radio interview down the line to a local radio station, that had | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
disaster written all over it before you got there, didn't it? It is back | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
to planning and being authentic. PR stunts do not work because they are | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
not authentic. You are only trying to be somebody you are not. That | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
shines through and when things are not executed well planned route, it | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
falls apart and the cracks appear. That is what happened here. For | :26:25. | :26:31. | |
Nigel Farage, his whole plan has to be the anti-politician. Every time a | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
clock up happens, he uses it to amplify the fact that he is a human | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
being, things go wrong, and that strengthens the sense that he is | :26:42. | :26:48. | |
just an odd guy. And die?! In terms of politics. -- an odd guy? ! A lot | :26:49. | :26:59. | |
of this is about competence. It is about exaggerating things that | :27:00. | :27:05. | |
people already have about them. Ed Miliband is photographed with a | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
slightly gormless look as he eats a sandwich. It let's the persona | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
slipped and reminds people about how they perceive you. The other point | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
about Nigel Farage is that people like people like that. They like | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
Charlie Kennedy, they like Boris. Do they want that person to become | :27:24. | :27:29. | |
Prime Minister? Narrative begins to form about Ed Miliband. | :27:30. | :27:32. | |
Prime Minister? Narrative begins to to clock ups? That is the really | :27:33. | :27:38. | |
difficult thing if you are Labour. -- clock ups. | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
Make sure he is a bit more nimble on his feet. There is a kind of Gotcha | :27:43. | :27:55. | |
culture at the moment where we ask politicians about the price of | :27:56. | :28:01. | |
bread. I would suggest that Winston Churchill did not know the price of | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
bread but he saved us from the Nazis. The problem with Ed Miliband | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
is that his whole plan has been about the cost of living and how it | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
is hurting ordinary families. If you do not know what the cost of living | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
is, how do you know what a crisis is? It reminds us that he is not | :28:18. | :28:23. | |
like the rest of us. He does not do as much as David Cameron does but it | :28:24. | :28:30. | |
does not help. The truth is, is it not, in their own different ways, Mr | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
Cameron and Ed Miliband are out of touch. All politicians, because of | :28:35. | :28:43. | |
where they are, they do not have time to go shopping and that is | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
where authenticity comes in. It is about crafting a message. It is | :28:48. | :28:54. | |
about saying, I am not going to pretend I push the trolley around in | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
Morrisons. It is about saying who you are in having the guts and the | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
balls to say it. A person like Boris is actually very good at disarming | :29:03. | :29:07. | |
it. When Boris was asked, you said, I do not know, so what! We have got | :29:08. | :29:15. | |
to go and move on but we all agree that Gordon Brown's blunder was one | :29:16. | :29:21. | |
of the greatest blunders of modern times. It was a bad blunder at a bad | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
time. It played to a narrative that people had already priced in. The | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
question here is whether any of the gaffes yesterday will have a | :29:32. | :29:34. | |
difference to tomorrow's boats. We shall see. Thank you. We talked | :29:35. | :29:40. | |
about the campaigns run by the major parties, but what about the smaller | :29:41. | :29:41. | |
parties? In the run-up to tomorrow's | :29:42. | :29:43. | |
elections we've been speaking to parties that are standing eight or | :29:44. | :29:46. | |
more candidates for the European Parliament, and Giles is | :29:47. | :29:49. | |
on the green with two more. I am taking credit for the price of | :29:50. | :29:58. | |
milk question. Let me introduce you to the public face of the Socialist | :29:59. | :30:05. | |
equality party. Let me start with you. What does the National Liberal | :30:06. | :30:11. | |
party stand for? It seems that it is a collection of people who believe | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
in separatist movements around the world? Exactly. We are standing for | :30:15. | :30:24. | |
self-determination for all nations. And at the same time, we are proud | :30:25. | :30:30. | |
and I am proud to be British and to live in a British way of life here. | :30:31. | :30:37. | |
We are working very hard here in the UK... Working hard to do what? What | :30:38. | :30:44. | |
we do is work with communities to engage them in the political process | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
here in the UK and in Europe as well, so that they can be effective | :30:50. | :30:54. | |
and they can feel they are really part of this political process and | :30:55. | :31:02. | |
part of society. The guy who tops your list for the elections, Graham | :31:03. | :31:08. | |
Williamson, was once a founding member in a very large part of the | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
National Front. You comfortable with that? Exactly. We are very proud to | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
have him on the list. Because we have known these guys for years and | :31:18. | :31:26. | |
years. He has tried to integrate all these communities into society. He | :31:27. | :31:34. | |
has said many times it is a party of his history. 20, 30 years ago. And | :31:35. | :31:40. | |
he said, I have made a mistake and it was when he was a young guy. So | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
we have to be fair when we are judging on someone. I'm looking at | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
your manifesto. One of the suggestions is that after three | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
cases of alcohol-related anti-social disorder, you should go to prison. | :31:56. | :32:00. | |
That doesn't sound very liberal. Exactly! So we don't say exactly you | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
have to go to prison. But what we believe, this much has to be | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
organised because we know it is affecting a large part of the | :32:11. | :32:16. | |
community here in the UK. Many people would understand that. Many | :32:17. | :32:22. | |
people come out and they are supporting this. Good luck with the | :32:23. | :32:29. | |
elections. Let me introduce Chris. Socialist Equality Party. There are | :32:30. | :32:32. | |
quite a lot of Socialists smaller parties. What is different about | :32:33. | :32:38. | |
yours? Our policies are correct and we stand on the side of the working | :32:39. | :32:43. | |
class and we have a perspective that defends the working class. Trotsky | :32:44. | :32:50. | |
party is what I was looking for. We are a Trotsky party. And you would | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
like to see the creation of the United Socialist States of Europe? | :32:56. | :33:01. | |
Yes. Why would the British public want to vote for that and do they | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
vote for that? They would certainly want to vote for that when you | :33:06. | :33:08. | |
consider the savage attacks being made on jobs and social conditions | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
at the behest of the European Union. And the drive to war in the Ukraine | :33:13. | :33:18. | |
against Russia. We are advancing a perspective where the continent | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
takes control of its own destiny and fights for something better. Isn't | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
the problem with these elections that if the class you are talking | :33:26. | :33:31. | |
about has shrunk, they therefore don't vote for this. So we would be | :33:32. | :33:37. | |
talking about you in the same way we talk about UKIP and the Greens | :33:38. | :33:41. | |
previously? The working class is as big as it ever was. Most people need | :33:42. | :33:47. | |
to get by and they need an alternative. Our job is to convince | :33:48. | :33:50. | |
them that socialism is that alternative. If all of the smaller | :33:51. | :33:56. | |
Socialist parties got together would you not have a better chance of | :33:57. | :33:59. | |
getting your argument across? Because you are not that far | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
distant, are you? I think we are very far apart. Please tell me I am | :34:04. | :34:13. | |
not first up when the winner comes! We will be talking to more | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
candidates from the smaller parties. The health party and the Peace | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
Party. Well, I for one can hardly wait! | :34:24. | :34:26. | |
So, there are elections of various kinds | :34:27. | :34:28. | |
across the country tomorrow, and Northern Ireland is no exception. | :34:29. | :34:31. | |
Voters there will go to the polls to choose three MEPs | :34:32. | :34:34. | |
Unionists and nationalists have different views on EU membership | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
and migration, but the legacy of The Troubles and the arrest | :34:39. | :34:41. | |
of one of Northern Ireland's most high-profile politicians has also | :34:42. | :34:44. | |
Here's our Northern Ireland political editor, Mark Davenport. | :34:45. | :34:52. | |
If I was to secure an interview with David Axelrod or Lynton Crosby and | :34:53. | :35:00. | |
ask them for their top tips for a party leader facing into an election | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
campaign, I reckon neither strategists would recommend getting | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
arrested. Definitely not getting arrested for questioning about the | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
murder of a mother of ten. But then politics in Northern Ireland is | :35:14. | :35:16. | |
radically different to politics anywhere else. | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
radically different to politics When Gerry Adams was questioned | :35:21. | :35:23. | |
about Jean McConville's murder, his party claimed it was an | :35:24. | :35:26. | |
about Jean McConville's murder, his damage their election chances. But | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
since the police released the Sinn Fein president without charge, | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
Republicans have changed tack. One of the immediate effects was that it | :35:35. | :35:38. | |
has galvanised the Sinn Fein party and the broader public family, so if | :35:39. | :35:45. | |
people weren't fighting a good campaign, they are very focused. | :35:46. | :35:55. | |
Miss Anderson is the bookies favourite. The SDLP lost a decade | :35:56. | :36:04. | |
ago and chances are far slimmer. There is a gathering opportunity now | :36:05. | :36:08. | |
to change fundamentally our politics here at home and elect a strong and | :36:09. | :36:13. | |
decisive, effective voice into the European Parliament. The Unionist | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
field is pretty packed. Candidates range from a new moderate, pro-UK | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
party to more traditional unionists who view the election as a | :36:24. | :36:29. | |
referendum on a power-sharing government at Stormont. This is the | :36:30. | :36:32. | |
perfect opportunity for people to pass their verdict on the | :36:33. | :36:35. | |
revelations of the constant pandering to Sinn Fein and also on | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
the dismal performance of Stormont. People want to have a stable | :36:41. | :36:44. | |
Northern Ireland. They want it to be moving forward and they want a | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
party, the only party, that is capable of keeping Sinn Fein to what | :36:50. | :36:52. | |
has pledged to do and that is what BD you people that party position | :36:53. | :37:02. | |
will be. -- the day you pea -- the Democratic Unionist Party position. | :37:03. | :37:10. | |
In the last election, the Ulster Unionists banded together with the | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
Conservatives. That relationship has ended in divorce, with the | :37:15. | :37:16. | |
Conservatives putting forward their own candidate. You are convinced you | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
can get elected without the own candidate. You are convinced you | :37:22. | :37:29. | |
central office? I think we can be very efficient and effective. UKIP | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
already have one member at the Stormont Assembly. Others contesting | :37:36. | :37:38. | |
these elections include the Greens and the cross community Alliance | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
Party. Their candidate was subject to racist abuse after calling for | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
the removal of flags and paramilitary symbols on the street. | :37:48. | :37:54. | |
I represent everyone. I represent a new face of Northern Ireland in | :37:55. | :37:57. | |
Europe and I will be the best ambassador for Northern Ireland, to | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
show the diversity in Northern Ireland. Apart from picking three | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
MEPs, Northern Ireland's voters will choose who they want to sit on 11 | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
new district councils. The newly elected councillors will spend their | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
first few months deciding where their headquarters should be and | :38:15. | :38:17. | |
which flag, if any, should flutter over their buildings. Given the | :38:18. | :38:22. | |
recent history at Belfast City Hall, that is something that could prove | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
far from straightforward. That was Mark Davenport from Belfast. | :38:27. | :38:31. | |
Northern Ireland is a micro-political system all of its | :38:32. | :38:34. | |
own. When you do general election polling, do you do Northern Ireland? | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
We don't, because it doesn't have much impact on what happens in | :38:40. | :38:45. | |
Westminster. So we do opinion polls for Northern Ireland on what happens | :38:46. | :38:48. | |
in Northern Ireland. It is so different what happens -- from what | :38:49. | :38:56. | |
happens in the rest of the country. We will make some automatic | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
assumptions and put it into the mix. But at another close election, we | :39:01. | :39:02. | |
might have another look. OK. Adam's still there with more | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
candidates for the European Hi. We are up here on the terrace of | :39:09. | :39:21. | |
the brand-new library. It is very peaceful. Let's ruin that! Anybody | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
the brand-new library. It is very excited about the European | :39:26. | :39:28. | |
elections? European elections?! A blinding response! Other candidates | :39:29. | :39:34. | |
standing here in the West Midlands, we have Nina Gale of Labour, and | :39:35. | :39:41. | |
Philip... Phil Benyon. And Will Duckworth of the Green Party. I went | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
out speaking to people in Birmingham yesterday. They mentioned Nigel | :39:47. | :39:50. | |
Farage and David Cameron but nobody mentioned Ed Miliband. I was with Ed | :39:51. | :39:56. | |
Miliband on Monday in Walsall. 500 people there, a huge audience, and | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
people I have spoken to on the doorstep, they resonate with what Ed | :40:01. | :40:05. | |
is saying on the cost of living crisis and where we need to go, so, | :40:06. | :40:10. | |
you know, I don't know who you were speaking to, but certainly on the | :40:11. | :40:15. | |
doorstep, I get a really positive message about what Ed Miliband is | :40:16. | :40:19. | |
saying and what we need to do to put this country back into work. The | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
message that people are concerned about is jobs, jobs, jobs. That's | :40:24. | :40:28. | |
what they want from Europe and a government. We are in a region where | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
we have the third-highest unemployment, so we really must | :40:33. | :40:36. | |
address this issue straightaway. And that is what Labour and MEPs in | :40:37. | :40:42. | |
Parliament have been doing and it is what Labour will do when we are in | :40:43. | :40:46. | |
government. Have you met anybody on the doorstep who can explain Ed | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
Miliband's position on a referendum in Europe? I think most people are | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
not that concerned about Europe. Unfortunately! I have to admit that. | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
Most people are saying, what does it mean for us? Do we need a referendum | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
now? Not everybody thinks we need a referendum. They are feeling more | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
concerned about how they are feeling squeezed in living, how they are | :41:12. | :41:15. | |
feeling in relation to their health services at the moment. But our | :41:16. | :41:18. | |
position is quite clear on the referendum. That if there is a new | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
transfer of powers, we will hold a referendum. But we are not reckless. | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
We don't need to hold a referendum just because, like David Cameron, we | :41:28. | :41:35. | |
weak, and he has promised a referendum when there is no need to | :41:36. | :41:39. | |
have one at this time. Why have a referendum now? And today, we have | :41:40. | :41:44. | |
heard from the CBI... We will leave that there. When people answer the | :41:45. | :41:51. | |
door, do they say, hurray, it is the man of the party of in? People are | :41:52. | :41:58. | |
surprisingly friendly on the doorsteps. Obviously you have people | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
who will be voting for UKIP but most people where we are knocking on the | :42:03. | :42:05. | |
doors, they are very worried about jobs, as Nina says, and they are | :42:06. | :42:11. | |
very worried also about environmental issues. What we have | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
been doing in the European Union, we have not only been pushing the | :42:16. | :42:19. | |
environmental agenda forward at a pace the economy can stand, but we | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
have also been addressing the employment problem, particularly | :42:25. | :42:27. | |
youth unemployment. We in the Liberal Democrats are a positive, | :42:28. | :42:32. | |
pro-European, internationalist party that is pro-business as well as | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
being green, and I think nobody else can claim that. With the jobs issue, | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
I have been working on issues around apprenticeships. I go around the | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
region trying to persuade small businesses, medium-size businesses | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
to start apprenticeship schemes and we are getting some success. This is | :42:50. | :42:57. | |
why unemployment is down to 6.8%. If you do really badly in these | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
elections, will you be on the phone the next day to Nick Clegg saying, | :43:02. | :43:07. | |
you must sort this out? I personally won't be but others will. | :43:08. | :43:10. | |
you must sort this out? I personally they will? We won't be making any | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
changes before the 2015 elections. We have a long time before then. I | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
think we will have a reasonably good election, better than most people | :43:20. | :43:22. | |
think. Certainly on the doorsteps it election, better than most people | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
is better than in the polls. We will see when we get the results on | :43:27. | :43:32. | |
Sunday. Why is it that when you meet loads of Green MEPs from other | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
countries, you don't meet many from Great Britain? It takes a while for | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
the general population to realise this is a proportional | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
representation system and we can get people in. We already have MEPs in | :43:46. | :43:49. | |
the south-east of London. We have a real chance in the south-west, the | :43:50. | :43:53. | |
East, the north-west regions as well as here and there is a real chance | :43:54. | :43:57. | |
we are overtaking the Lib Dems in many of the opinion polls. There is | :43:58. | :44:03. | |
a real Eurosceptic mood around and people are concerned with those top | :44:04. | :44:06. | |
issues people ask about but you want to be more generous in benefits to | :44:07. | :44:14. | |
migrants? At the moment if you are trying to live on jobseeker's | :44:15. | :44:18. | |
allowance, it is practically. People have tried it and it is practically | :44:19. | :44:24. | |
impossible. We are demonising the poor and the unhealthy in this | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
country quite unfairly. The vast majority of people who come over do | :44:29. | :44:32. | |
not come for benefits. They come to work. And they are a vital resource. | :44:33. | :44:37. | |
We need them. We should not just tolerate them but respect and | :44:38. | :44:40. | |
appreciate the things they bring to this country. A quick final | :44:41. | :44:45. | |
question. We are in this beautiful new library. What is your favourite | :44:46. | :44:49. | |
political book? My favourite political book is probably... 1984. | :44:50. | :44:59. | |
What does that say! Not because what I like what it says but because The | :45:00. | :45:09. | |
Prince is quite exciting. I was going to say that, too! I have seen | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
that! The last book I borrowed from a library was War And Peace. Are you | :45:15. | :45:23. | |
still reading it? Did you get to the end? Yes, I did. Enjoy your last day | :45:24. | :45:29. | |
of campaigning and being on the terrace. You can get all the | :45:30. | :45:32. | |
candidates for this part of the world on the BBC News website. Back | :45:33. | :45:38. | |
to you, Andrew. Thank you for that. We will have a | :45:39. | :45:41. | |
test later to see if they have read any of these books. | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
We've talked on the show before about how long | :45:46. | :45:47. | |
and complicated the ballot papers for these elections are. | :45:48. | :45:53. | |
127 candidates representing 17 different parties. | :45:54. | :45:54. | |
And you get another ballot paper for local elections and | :45:55. | :45:57. | |
Anthony Reubens is the BBC's head of statistics and he's here to tell | :45:58. | :46:17. | |
Do people pick names that will get them high up the ballot paper? Well, | :46:18. | :46:28. | |
I have not heard of anyone changing their name but there was a | :46:29. | :46:32. | |
I have not heard of anyone changing done by some academics of all the | :46:33. | :46:38. | |
local elections from 1973, and they suggested anecdotally | :46:39. | :46:41. | |
local elections from 1973, and they effect was so big that some parties | :46:42. | :46:44. | |
were favouring candidates with names higher up the alphabet and were | :46:45. | :46:48. | |
choosing candidates raised on their names being higher up than their | :46:49. | :46:54. | |
opponents. There was one interesting example at the moment. There was a | :46:55. | :47:11. | |
party running in the election Independence From Europe. I suppose | :47:12. | :47:18. | |
it gets Independence From Europe. I suppose | :47:19. | :47:25. | |
alphabetically by surname. In European elections it is | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
alphabetically by surname. In party name. This is a trick done | :47:30. | :47:30. | |
before by Alex party name. This is a trick done | :47:31. | :47:31. | |
The S M P changed its name to party name. This is a trick done | :47:32. | :47:47. | |
Salmond. -- SMP. This is what academics call low information | :47:48. | :47:49. | |
elections as we were finding out from Birmingham earlier stop it is | :47:50. | :47:54. | |
where people cannot be bothered to find out about the candidates of the | :47:55. | :47:57. | |
system of voting, so in elections where you are allowed more than one | :47:58. | :48:02. | |
vote, people often only take one vote anyway, and it is the | :48:03. | :48:08. | |
candidates higher up in the alphabet you will get those votes. I think we | :48:09. | :48:16. | |
can show a ballot paper on screen. There it is on screen right now. In | :48:17. | :48:21. | |
the local elections, you are voting for an individual, but in the | :48:22. | :48:26. | |
European election, the party have chosen the candidates, and you are | :48:27. | :48:31. | |
voting for the party. The higher up the person is on the party list, the | :48:32. | :48:41. | |
more likely you are to choose them. If you are an individual, it is salt | :48:42. | :48:52. | |
's law. I think this is something we should all be feeling strongly | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
about. Do you feel this cremated against? I do have a friend who is | :48:57. | :49:02. | |
standing in local elections and he feels discriminated against. There | :49:03. | :49:06. | |
is a consultation going on in Scotland on this subject, and I | :49:07. | :49:09. | |
spoke to the electoral commission this morning and they are watching | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
carefully the result of this! In Australia, in parts of Tasmania, | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
they have a random system where they print many different ballot papers. | :49:19. | :49:25. | |
The order bias is well known so when we ask you to choose from a list, we | :49:26. | :49:31. | |
would randomise it because of the bias. We can see it systematically. | :49:32. | :49:37. | |
It is real, it does exist. Order bias? Yes. Can you take account of | :49:38. | :49:48. | |
this in the polling? To be honest, I am not sure. It is marginal and | :49:49. | :49:53. | |
where you have two candidates in a local election and there are three | :49:54. | :49:59. | |
candidates from one party, the ones that hour the top of the list are | :50:00. | :50:02. | |
more likely get chosen because you know so little about them. Whether | :50:03. | :50:09. | |
it gets you to switch from party to party, the trick that was played in | :50:10. | :50:17. | |
1994 by the Literal Democrats, that has been outlawed. They changed the | :50:18. | :50:26. | |
law. Yes. You learn things on these programmes. Wacky for being with | :50:27. | :50:27. | |
us. -- thank you for being with us. So it's a long ballot paper | :50:28. | :50:33. | |
and that's because there are plenty of smaller new parties in addition | :50:34. | :50:37. | |
to the big established lot. Earlier Giles spoke to two | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
of them out on college green in And he's still there with | :50:42. | :50:44. | |
the final two of the campaign. Andrew, we thought we would keep it | :50:45. | :50:58. | |
simple for this bit, keep it light and easy with a feeling of | :50:59. | :51:05. | |
well-being. We have the He's Party. John Morris, the Peace Party, I | :51:06. | :51:11. | |
cannot think of any other parties that for war, what is unique? | :51:12. | :51:19. | |
Unfortunately, all the other parties we have found have tucked away in | :51:20. | :51:25. | |
their manifestoes that we must defend ourselves in some way, and | :51:26. | :51:32. | |
that means bombs, weapons, aircraft. Does it mean scrapping the Ministry | :51:33. | :51:36. | |
of Defence, that sort of thing? Absolutely, eventually. It will | :51:37. | :51:40. | |
obviously take a long time because we have to convince people and | :51:41. | :51:46. | |
convert people to work nonviolently together. You see the agency for all | :51:47. | :51:53. | |
of this as the EU. You think they are the engine for promotion of | :51:54. | :52:07. | |
peace rest are yes. --? Yes. It was set up for peaceful reasons and | :52:08. | :52:10. | |
largely, it has done that for 60 years. You have probably seen the | :52:11. | :52:16. | |
small party called UKIP, polling around 30% in the polls. It does not | :52:17. | :52:21. | |
look like the electorate is ready for the EU as party for peace. Are | :52:22. | :52:27. | |
they mistaken? They are missing something very important. Even | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
Winston Churchill was for creating a political union for Europe and that | :52:33. | :52:39. | |
is what I hope we can see as a step towards world peace. In all | :52:40. | :52:45. | |
sincerity, lots of people might be thinking, what a nice worldview, but | :52:46. | :52:49. | |
you know that you are not going to get masses of vote, why do you do | :52:50. | :52:55. | |
it? I could not possibly vote for anybody else and I know there are | :52:56. | :52:58. | |
lots of other people out there ringing the same. There were many | :52:59. | :53:00. | |
people that do not ringing the same. There were many | :53:01. | :53:03. | |
maybe there is a new option. Thank you. We know something about the | :53:04. | :53:14. | |
National Health Action Party. You do what you say on the tin, what are | :53:15. | :53:20. | |
you all about? We are funded by doctors, health workers and ordinary | :53:21. | :53:26. | |
people. We are concerned about what is happening to the NHS, the | :53:27. | :53:34. | |
top-down reorganisation. If we do not pay for it, if it is free at the | :53:35. | :53:39. | |
point of delivery, the state is paying, is it privatisation or have | :53:40. | :53:45. | |
we missed something? The definition of privatisation is when public | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
services are handed over to private companies for profit. It is the | :53:50. | :53:54. | |
World Health Organisation's definition. You are standing at the | :53:55. | :54:02. | |
party. Labour have said they will repeal the act, should you vote for | :54:03. | :54:09. | |
them? Labour have said they would not get rid of the privatisation | :54:10. | :54:12. | |
that has happened and has not rejected the idea of a market within | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
the NHS. They have not talked about PFI which is sapping billions out of | :54:19. | :54:23. | |
hospitals. There is a long way to go before we can trust | :54:24. | :54:29. | |
hospitals. There is a long way to go to the rescue of the NHS. We had the | :54:30. | :54:32. | |
National Liberal Party, they are all to be found on the ballot papers, it | :54:33. | :54:35. | |
is up to you to decide. Our guest of the day here Ben Page | :54:36. | :54:40. | |
knows a thing or two And when it comes to elections he'll | :54:41. | :54:44. | |
have a stab at predicting how Occasionally, | :54:45. | :54:50. | |
he might even get it right. But in general he prefers to talk | :54:51. | :54:53. | |
about trends rather than coming off the fence and telling us | :54:54. | :54:56. | |
exactly what's going to happen. For that we've decided to turn to | :54:57. | :55:00. | |
one of civilisation's oldest scholarly | :55:01. | :55:02. | |
traditions ? yes, it's astrology. And to gaze into the political stars | :55:03. | :55:04. | |
we're joined by Debbie Frank. Welcome to the programme. So, what | :55:05. | :55:15. | |
do the stars foretell for Mr Cameron? He is a very slick and | :55:16. | :55:20. | |
charming person, and he has that going for him but he is in a bit of | :55:21. | :55:24. | |
a kick at the moment, under pressure. That comes from Nigel, the | :55:25. | :55:30. | |
polar opposite to him, he is an Aries. His job is to shake | :55:31. | :55:35. | |
everything up which he will continue to do until the next election in | :55:36. | :55:41. | |
2015. Nigel is somebody who is outspoken, individual, and every | :55:42. | :55:52. | |
settlement that happens with him is a positive thing. What about Ed | :55:53. | :55:58. | |
Miliband? He is. He has Neptune on his Mars. He is in a state of | :55:59. | :56:06. | |
bewilderment. It sounds painful! I advised him to do another | :56:07. | :56:10. | |
supermarket shop because he is losing the plot. I think he might be | :56:11. | :56:13. | |
happy about what is going on in the European election, temporarily, but | :56:14. | :56:19. | |
his long-term stars show that he is losing grip a little bit and needs | :56:20. | :56:23. | |
to stay focused. Another Capricorn, Nick Clegg. He looks like he's going | :56:24. | :56:30. | |
to be a little with the result. It is interesting when you look at his | :56:31. | :56:36. | |
chart. He is very connected with David Cameron and he wishes he was | :56:37. | :56:41. | |
David Cameron. His chart is about having a strong wife, and his | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
political life might change considerably. What about the leader | :56:46. | :56:54. | |
of the Green Party? She is an Aquarius. She is of the people, and | :56:55. | :57:06. | |
humanitarian. She is under pressure at the moment. Nigel is stealing her | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
fire a little bit, but she is definitely the right person for the | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
job. Natalie is doing what she was born to do, a great leader for the | :57:16. | :57:20. | |
Green Party. On the European elections, who is going to come | :57:21. | :57:26. | |
first? Nigel is going to have a big swing up here. He is totally front | :57:27. | :57:29. | |
of House, basically. swing up here. He is totally front | :57:30. | :57:35. | |
despite his little mishap, he swing up here. He is totally front | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
going to be pretty happy. David Cameron is going | :57:40. | :57:41. | |
going to be pretty happy. David and then he is going to come right | :57:42. | :57:47. | |
back up in July. There you go, no caveats. What you say to that? The | :57:48. | :57:50. | |
statistics tell caveats. What you say to that? The | :57:51. | :57:52. | |
to call! That is caveats. What you say to that? The | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
is boring but sometimes they are. caveats. What you say to that? The | :57:57. | :58:03. | |
There is something called caveats. What you say to that? The | :58:04. | :58:09. | |
all test. -- football. There was a 90% accuracy between the colour of | :58:10. | :58:14. | |
the winners of the FA Cup and who actually wins. 95% of the time, it | :58:15. | :58:18. | |
has been right since been Second has been right since been Second | :58:19. | :58:23. | |
World War. It is my birthday today, what do the stars say about me? | :58:24. | :58:28. | |
World War. It is my birthday today, are a tourist. -- Taures. It is all | :58:29. | :58:44. | |
lovely. That is it for today, thank you to all our guests. | :58:45. | :58:47. | |
The One O'clock News is starting over on BBC One now. | :58:48. | :58:50. | |
Jo will be back here at noon tomorrow, election day, | :58:51. | :58:53. |