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Good morning and welcome to the Daily Politics.

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Islamic jihadists threaten to plunge the Middle East into chaos.

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Is this really the best way to stabilise the region?

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The Government promised to reduce net migration to below 100,000

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Is it any wonder the public are cynical?

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More than 100,000 people have signed a petition to ban puppy farming.

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And forget Spain versus Chile, we will bring you the real match

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All that coming up in the next 90 minutes and on the pitch

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for the duration, in goal and trying not to let any more in, former

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And coming up hard on the left wing, the Shadow Environment Secretary

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First this morning, Iran's odds of winning the World Cup are 2500/1,

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but who cares if Britain and America want to be your best friend?

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The country that was once an international pariah is now

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at the receiving end of diplomatic advances from the United States,

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Britain and other Western countries who are trying to see off the threat

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Their success threatens peace and stability in the entire region.

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The Prime Minister is chairing a meeting of the

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Here is Jo Co to explain how we got here.

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For more than a decade Britain was actively

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engaged in a series of conflicts that became known as Blair's wars.

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In 1999, British forces took part in a multinational force in Kosovo

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to hold back Slobodan Milosevic's forces.

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British troops were also active on their own in Sierra Leone

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in 2000 when rebels threatened to overrun the country.

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Then in 2001, following on from the September the 11th attacks, Britain

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took part in a multinational force against the Taliban in Afghanistan.

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Whilst all of these conflicts were controversial,

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there was a reasonable level of support in the country.

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Iraq in 2003, however, changed all of this.

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Hundreds of thousands marched against the war and the country

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The recriminations over that conflict continue to this day,

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overshadowing Britain's foreign policy ever since.

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It certainly hung over David Cameron's intervention in Libya.

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Following UN Security Council authorisation in 2011,

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Britain contributed to policing a no-fly zone over the country and

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many suggested Mr Cameron had found a new template for waging military

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campaigns by enabling the rebels to carry

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on the offensive. The situation in Syria, however, showed the limits

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In August last year the Commons rejected the Prime Minister's call

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for military action against President Assad following

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Speaking the morning after the vote the Chancellor George

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Osborne said there would now be "national soul-searching about our

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Joining us now is that Douglas Murray joining us from the Henry

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Jackson Society, named after the famous American. If there is a known

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regional player that could intervene, it is only America. It is

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not going to be Europe or Britain, it is only America. Should America

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do anything? It should, but it depends what the circumstances are

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under which it could make things better. There is a problem from

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outside the region at the moment which is we tend to be reading it

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outside the region at the moment if it is about us. This is a

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particularly British virus at the moment. This is not about us, it is

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about forces beyond our control and beyond America's control unless

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America can get some kind of regional agreement that could work.

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It is difficult to see what kind of thing that would be. It is not just

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an Iraq problem, it is a regional problem from the Levant and the

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Mediterranean through to the goal. It is fundamentally sectarian Shia

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war, sectarian war between two different religious groups. They

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each have their proxies, Saudis on one side on the other. Isn't the

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lesson of history that it is better to stay out? You could take that

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interpretation. There is a great problem for countries like ours and

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America which see humanitarian suffering of the kind that has gone

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on in Syria for several years and want to do something about it. The

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something must be done syndrome. At the other end we have got the

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limitations of our capabilities. They were demonstrated by the fact

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there were obvious things people thought we could do in Libya, but it

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was very hard to see what we could do in Syria. There is the difference

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between our desires and our capabilities. As for the Sunni and

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Shia issue, for some time there has been a risk the region would clarify

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along those lines. That is what has been attempted to be postponed, that

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that should be put off. It is possible we cannot put it off any

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longer. That has come about because of the clarification which has come

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inside Syria in recent years. The regional players have all been able

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to act out their proxy wars. But they are coming closer to home and

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that is why this is such a disturbing situation. There is no

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appetite in this country for any kind of intervention whatsoever.

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Loo-mac you saw that very clearly from Tony Blair's intervention. A

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lot of these type of things are seen through the prism of the Iraq

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intervention. William Hague made it clear we were not contemplating any

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kind of military intervention. He said our response was political to

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work out what was happening in Iraq and we had a humanitarian role. But

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he made it clear we were not looking at military intervention. What about

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the North and the autonomous region of Kurdistan? It is the only really

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successful part of the country. Would we offer that any protection?

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He made it clear he was not ruling out all intervention everywhere for

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ever. I know what he said. The Kurdish area has been very

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successful and one of the Foreign Office ministers met with their

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regional Government. They have a representative in London. You are

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telling me things I know. It is our job to try and support the

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democratic Governments in Iraq and Kurdistan and we have to look at

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protecting them if it is within our capability. What is Labour's policy?

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The terrorists creating mayhem in Iraq at the moment need to be

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stopped. It would be slightly strange if Labour said we back the

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brutal terrorists as they sweep through Iraq. We take it for granted

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you are against them, what is your policy? I do not disagree enormously

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with the Government about this. We need to support the Iraqi Government

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in making sure they can tackle this issue properly. What does that mean?

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We said we will support them in terms of tackling terrorism. We need

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to make sure the Government in Iraq can put themselves together by being

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less sectarian. If you look Read the latest dispatches from Baghdad that

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is not happening. The army is becoming more and more a wing of the

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Shia party. You say we back the Iraqi Government in dealing with

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this terrorism. In what way do you back it? The Government have talked

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about providing support. What kind of support? Support that is not

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troops on the ground. But what? The Western powers have talked about

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providing some capability that might assist. What should the British do?

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We support them in that. We have been clear on the Labour side as

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well as on the Government side that we do not support sending troops

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back in. I understand that. There is a limit to the support we can give.

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These two answers that Conservative and Labour have given this programme

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showed the collective irrelevance of British political parties in what is

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happening in Iraq. The reality is we have a huge and widening chasm

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between what we say we would like to do and what we are able to do. You

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cannot have successive governments diminishing our armed forces. We

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lower our armed defence capabilities, yet always ramping up

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the rhetoric of what we wish to achieve at war. You will simply have

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a situation like now where we cannot do very much. This is not about

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capabilities, this is about the appetite of wanting to get engaged

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and a bit of humility in the political class and in public about

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being sure if we intervene, we are going to make things better and not

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worse. The debate on Syria last year, the real reason there was not

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an appetite to do things was because people were concerned and were not

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sure about what intervention we could take that could make things

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better. That is a perfectly mature response. Would it not be more

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honest to say to the British people, because of what has happened in the

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past and Iraq hangs over like a dark shadow on British foreign policy,

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because of the fact we have slashed our armed forces and reduced our

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capability, there will be horrible things happening there, but other

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than humanitarian aid there is very little that we can do. Would that

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not be honest? The Foreign Secretary was honest. He made it clear we were

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going to provide political support to the Iraqi Government. I have no

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idea what that means. On the counterterrorism side we have

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expertise so we can provide advice. And we can provide significant

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humanitarian aid. And we can provide significant

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about that. The fact is the biggest ally is the Iranian Revolutionary

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guard. Its commander is already in Baghdad, we are told, with 67 of his

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top advisers. There were reports a couple of days ago that they had

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basically taken over control of the Iraqi forces because the American

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trained Iraqi forces were useless. That is his ally. When the league he

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was in exile he spent time in terror ran. They are the ones who matter.

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Not British forces. It was perfectly clear that the British would leave

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Iraq and put a timeline on that. It was obvious the Government would

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want to look for friends and there was only one friend in the region.

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One Iraqi politician said, you are our friends, the Iranians are our

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brothers. I looked shocked and he said, we can choose our friends, but

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we cannot choose our family. An example of how very much larger this

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could yet become is that the head of the forces you have just alluded to,

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was involved in a plot to assassinate an ambassador in

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Washington. America is now dealing directly and indirectly with these

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people. These people were very recently involved in a plot on

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American soil and America realises it has to cooperate with the

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Iranians on this. This is nobody's idea of a good time, but the

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situation in the region is so serious. It is a geopolitical

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situation. The lines on the map that we see in that part of the Middle

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East were put there by the British and French imperialists during the

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First World War. They have survived quite a while, but it is over now.

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Yes, it will not meet the centenary. One of the things that can be done

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to salvage this, the point about the Kurdish region is very fair. The

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most important thing is the one bit of the success story, the autonomous

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Kurdish region, should be protected. I think the Kurdish people can

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protect themselves. They have extraordinarily good fighters and

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they have done things in recent days that they see as being in their

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interests. It may be the case that if it was threatened, some kind of

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international force could be given as an assurance to protect those

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areas. In the meantime, the most we can hope is

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areas. In the meantime, the most we can hope what happened with ISIS is

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what happened before is the locals, including the sectarian groups,

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become so disgusted by the behaviour of ISIS that they turn against them.

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There is a genuinely popular uprising. That is not going to sort

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out the regional problem of which this may just be the start of. Our

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politicians out of touch with public opinion on immigration? According to

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the British Social Attitudes survey, almost half the population now

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believes that a decade of mass migration has not only harm to the

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economy, undermined British culture, and that the persistent public

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anxiety over immigrant numbers is something the main political parties

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ignore at their peril. Well, we have got the man who until a few months

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ago was immigration minister, Mark Harper. We will talk to him in a

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moment, but here is what Penny Young of the National Centre for social

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research, who produced this survey, told me yesterday. It is a mixed

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picture. On research, who produced this survey,

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told me yesterday. It is some things, attitudes to immigration are

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much harder. People are much less relaxed about migrants having the

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same legal rights as settled residents. Nevertheless, these

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figures obscure a lot of differences within the publishing. One of the

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most striking views is that if you have got a degree, you are very

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positive about the impact of immigration on the economy and the

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cultural life of the population. Everybody else sees a negative

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effect. So there are two sections within the British public with very

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different views. Mark Harper, why are you failing to

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hit your immigration target? It is very simple. Non-EU immigration, we

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are on track and have made considerable progress. To be honest,

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the surprise was that the EU numbers went up, and not from some of the

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Eastern European countries that people were concerned about, but

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from the traditional European countries like Spain, Portugal and

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France. And a lot of that is driven by the economic performance. We have

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been frank about it. We do have to look at the rules about free move it

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and when people can claim benefits when they come here. That will be

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part of our renegotiation of our terms of membership, which we will

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put the people in 2017. What bit of mass unemployment in the Eurozone

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did you not know about when you came up with these targets? When the

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target was set, I was not in the team. My understanding was that the

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numbers were broadly in balance so that the bulk of net migration to

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Britain in the past had been from outside the EU. But it was clear

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that the Eurozone was in crisis. That was why you formed a coalition

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government. It was clear that there was substantial unemployment across

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the Eurozone. There was also free movement coming in from Eastern

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Europe. You knew the situation. It can't have been a surprise to you

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that a lot of Europeans would want to come to Britain, and yet you went

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ahead and gave us a target that you are now telling us you knew you

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could not meet. I am not saying that.

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are now telling us you knew you could not meet. I am not saying The

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important thing from that survey is that people do still want

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immigration reduced. But you failed. We need to deal with the EU part of

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the picture. We have dealt with the non-EU part. We have made a dramatic

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impact on where new jobs are going. Since the election, three quarters

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of all those new jobs are now going to British citizens. In the five

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years running up to the crash, less than 10% off new jobs being created

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went to British citizens. That is behind some of the concerns in that

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survey. We both think the jobs being created are not benefiting British

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citizens. You promised that immigration would be below 100,000.

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The latest figures we have are over double that. Is 212,002 much? The

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target is in tatters. They have failed. Is it too much? Didn't agree

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with having a target in the first place. We have said from our time in

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office that we got something is wrong on immigration. But with

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respect, I am not asking about that. I am asking, is 212,000 net

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migration to much? We would not have chosen a net migration target. But

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is it too much? Or is it too few? It is the government's target, it is

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not a target we would have chosen. Forget it as a target. Assume the

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target does not exist. Just answer a simple question. Is a net increase

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of 212,000 people coming here too much or too little? I don't think

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you can say it is too much or too little. It depends on the needs of

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the country. I can say it is too high. You can become a slave to

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figures that you choose, as the current government have. They failed

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to meet the target they set themselves, but they also failed to

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deal with illegal immigration. There are less checks at orders now they

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are not getting rid of foreign criminals. We also did things wrong

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when we were in office. I want to acknowledge that. But you still

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can't give me an idea of numbers. People's concerns about this relate

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to the impact on their own lives. People are concerned about numbers.

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That came out in the British Social Attitudes study. And you can't give

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them a number. People are concerned about the impact of those coming in

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on their communities. I got this on the doorstep when I knocked on

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doors. The reality is that people are particularly interested in the

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impact this has on their lives and the potential job chances of their

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children and local services. If you get those issues right, the concern

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abates. I put it to you that your failure to get anywhere near a

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target that you said you would reach is just another reason why the

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British people don't trust you on this. I have been straightforward

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about the bit we have hit, which is non-EU migration, and I have in

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frank about the area where we haven't and I have said what we need

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to do about it. We have passed on immigration act which will lead to

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tightening up the rules on people who are in Britain who should not

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be, people who have overstayed their welcome. It is easier to get rid of

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foreign criminals. That only matters at the margins. That will not make a

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huge difference to the numbers. The stuff about making it more difficult

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to Britain will, because if you are here illegally, we can remove you.

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You will not be able to get somewhere to live. How could you be

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here illegally if you are an EU citizen? For EU citizens, you have

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to have a job or be self-sufficient or be a student. There are people

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who are causing problems, for example by begging. We can remove

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them. People are concerned about the restrictions on Chinese coming in.

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Visitors, yes. There is also discussion within government about

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the quality of people coming over. What would the figure be that would

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be enough to fill the industries unit, and not the people you don't

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want? The point on the Chinese issue is confusing. We also mentioned

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people speaking English. One of the big changes we have made is that you

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can't now come to Britain from outside the EU unless you can speak

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English. But you can stop a Polish person -- you can't stop a Polish

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person coming in. Your constant mea culpas, but inability to give us any

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numbers or any idea of what you think the scale of immigration

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should be is why people do not trust you either. I think people are

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concerned about the impact on their communities and life chances of

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immigration. They think they are not allowed to talk about it. You

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encourage them not to. We made mistakes in office. That is why we

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have to encourage these debates. If I say to people, we are going to

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stop agencies recruiting abroad, we are going to improve the enforcement

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of the national minimum wage, will make sure that businesses who

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recruit abroad because they need a skilled person that they can only

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get from abroad also has two other apprenticeships at home... It

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depends on the economic circumstances of the time. What

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matters to people is the impact this has in their communities. Do all

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Labour politicians think they should apologise for what happened in terms

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of numbers? Quite a few politicians like Tessa Jowell have said there

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was nothing to apologise for, and that it led to economic both. So

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Labour are not quite unified. People have different views within parties

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and across parties about these issues, but Ed Miliband has been

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clear. We have accepted that we made some mistakes, we need to go

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forward, realising that what matters is putting right the abuses that

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result from people coming into the country and in act that has in local

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communities on housing, services and jobs.

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Now, the Chinese premier, Li Keqiang, continues his visit to

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Britain today. Yesterday, he indicated that he was prepared to

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pony up some Chinese dosh on HS2 and nuclear power stations? What did he

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get in return? A signed copy of a script for Downton Abbey and a

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Charles Dickens DVD box set. Do those foreign office types know

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[email protected] It is coming up to midday here. Just

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take a look at Big Ben. It is a Wednesday, which can mean only one

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thing, Prime Minister's Questions is on its way. If you would like to

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comment on proceedings, try to be polite! You can e-mail us at

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[email protected] We will read your comments out after PMQs. And when he

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is not busy to be with us, Nick Robinson is here. Thought I would

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pop in. I see dark clouds behind Big Ben. I have just come from

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Liverpool. The sun was beautiful and shining this morning. The Lib Dems

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are talking about a referendum? The Times have a story considering that

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they are shifting -- considering Times have a story considering that

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shifting their position. Lots of cold water is being poured on this

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from the Lib Dem cold water is being poured on this

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senior Liberal Democrat I spoke to said this is not likely. That is a

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way of saying that the story is right that they are thinking about

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it. But they would only want to do it in return for a big offer from

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the Conservatives. If we give you a backing in the House of Commons,

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what do we get act? The dark cloud you referred to when you were in

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Brussels last week was of course Iraq, each bizarrely did not come up

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at all at Prime Minister 's questions. It is not as if it is a

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place we have invaded. Oh, no, we did. Twice. Surely it will come up

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this week, because it would look surreal if this event can go on for

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half an hour each week and a nor the important issues of the day. It was

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remarkable that it did not come up, but maybe it did not come up last

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time because British politicians have little useful to say about it.

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They are also scared about talking about it.

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They are also scared about talking Tony Blair's comment. There is a

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great desire to say Blair is a fool. But engaging with the argument

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that was raised, that was something that very few wanted to do. Douglas

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Alexander for Labour has walked the Blair tightrope rather elegantly

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earlier in the week, saying that while it was absurd to claim that

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the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with the problem now, allegedly

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Tony Blair's view, it was equally absurd to say it was only the doom

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with what happened 11 years ago. Let's find out.

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I spoke yesterday to my constituent, who was anxious because Hassan's

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passport had not arrived on time. Given the dreadful level of service

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she described she was shocked to find the passport agency returned a

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surplus of ?73 million. What does it say about the values of this

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Government that the Chancellor is making a profit over one of my

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constituent's misery? What I would say to any constituent of any MP in

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this house, because it is an important issue, is that anyone who

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needs to travel within the next week and who has waited more than three

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weeks will be fast tracked for no extra cost so they can get their

:31:30.:31:34.

passport in time. I do not want anyone to miss their holiday because

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of these difficulties. We have seen a 15% increase over the last week in

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the number of passports being processed, but we need to go faster

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and we need to hire more people. Is the Prime Minister aware of the

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growing sentiment that as the publication of the Chilcott report

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has been so long delayed the ancient but still existing power of

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backbenchers to commence the procedures of impeachment should now

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be activated to bring Mr Tony Blair to account for allegedly misleading

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the house on the necessity of the invasion of Iraq in 2003? I would

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say to my right honourable friend it is important we see the results of

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the Iraq enquiry. It has had access to all of the papers, officials and

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ministers. Frankly, if the Iraq enquiry had started when this party

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and when the Liberal Democrats had suggested, then we would have seen

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the Iraq inquiry published by now. But members opposite, including the

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leader of the opposition, voted against starting the Iraqi enquiry

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on no fewer than four occasions. Mr Speaker, all of us will have been

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appalled by the images of the brutal aggression of crisis that has spread

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across Iraq, terrorising its citizens and undermining its fragile

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democracy. Iraq is facing fundamental threats to its integrity

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and stability. Can the Prime Minister provide the house with the

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latest assessment of the situation in Iraq. And following the

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appearance yesterday of the president Al-Maliki, can he say what

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more he believes can be done to encourage a more inclusive and

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representative Government which is essential for the future of Iraq?

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The leader of the opposition is right is that one of the things that

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needs to happen is the Iraqi Government to take a more inclusive

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approach. I can tell the house the latest reports indicate fighting is

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continuing on one front and the oil refinery is currently under attack

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by ISIS. There is a large-scale recruitment not only of Shia

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militias, but also other young recruits to the Iraqi armed forces

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and it is vital that precedes and that ISIS is pushed back by the

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Iraqis. But the key thing to recognise is when you get this

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combination of poor governance of ungoverned spaces and support for

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extremism, that provides an opportunity for terrorists and we

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have to address this on each of those three France, supporting the

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Iraqi Government. This crisis is not just affecting Iraq, but has

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consequences for the whole world. Can he tell us the extra measures

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the Government is contemplating to ensure British nationals in the

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region cannot return here and engage in violent extremism or terrorism?

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Can he say what the Government is doing to prevent people in this

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country becoming radicalised and travelling to the region to fight?

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Our approach to this issue must be based on a hard-headed assessment of

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our national interest and most important is how to keep our

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citizens safe at home. The leader of the opposition asked about the

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actions we are taking, and we will be legislating in this Parliament to

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make the planning of terrorist attacks overseas illegal in the UK.

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We will make sure our policing and intelligence resources are focused

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on this part of the world and the danger of British people travelling

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there and becoming radicalised and returning to the UK. We have taken

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away passports, using the new powers we legislated for in the last

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Parliament and we will continue to do everything we can to keep our

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country safe. I want to talk about Iran and its role in this crisis. We

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support the announcement made yesterday by the Foreign Secretary

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to reopen the British embassy in Iran and the dialogue started by the

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Foreign Secretary, but the challenge we face in Iraq is although Iran

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opposes ISIS, the Iranian regime in the past has shown it does not

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support a vision for an inclusive and democratic state in Iraq. Can he

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give this house the current assessment of the willingness and

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intent of the Iranian regime to plate can -- to play a constructive

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role? First of all, it is important to re-engage with dialogue with Iran

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and that is why we are planning to reopen the embassy. It should be

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done on a step-by-step basis. It should be done with a very clear eye

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and a very hard-headed because we know of the appalling things that

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happened to our embassy in 2011. Two people who say there is

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inconsistency having dialogue with Iran and at the same time

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recognising how much they have done to destabilise the region, I would

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say we need to take a consistent approach with all the players in

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this region. We support the voices of moderation, the voices that

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support democracy under the rule of law. We need the Iranian Government

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to play that role as well as everyone else. The broader context

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is the wider Sunni and Shi'ite schism across the region. Does he

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agree it is not just Iran but other significant countries across the

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region that have a huge responsibility not to take steps

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that will further fuel the sectarian conflict? That includes support for

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extremist groups. Will the Prime Minister make clear in his

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conversations with all parties it will fuel the conflict. Whatever we

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are looking to do, whether it is to support the voices of moderation and

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democracy in Syria, whether it is trying to help the Iraqi Government

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closed down this ungoverned space in Iraq, or the conversations we have

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with other regional players, it is important we are consistent with

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that engagement and we oppose extremism, terrorism and violence.

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When it comes to the support we have given to rebels in Syria that we let

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through the official Syrian opposition who are committed to

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those things and not extremism and terrorism and our engagement with

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the Saudi Arabians, with Qatar and the Emirates and others is all on

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the basis that none of us should be supporting those terrorists are

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extremists. I want to ask about the humanitarian situation. We have

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British allies in the region, such as Jordan, who are already dealing

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with a huge refugee crisis. Britain is doing a good job of providing

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humanitarian support for those in refugee camps. But there are more

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refugees outside the camps and inside the camps. What further

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practical measures does the Prime Minister believe we can take to

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support companies like Jordan and Lebanon? We remain when it comes to

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Syria, the Syrian refugee situation, we remained the second

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largest bilateral aid donor anywhere in the world. We are providing

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shelter, food, clothing and support for the millions of people who have

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been made homeless. When it comes to supporting neighbouring countries,

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we have given direct help to Jordan. The increase of the population in

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Jordan and Lebanon is equivalent to almost 15 million people coming to

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the UK. In terms of the Iraq humanitarian situation where there

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is an emerging problem because of people being displaced because of

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the ISIS, murderous regime, we have already announced ?3 million of

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humanitarian aid to people displaced in that region and we will be

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increasing that two ?5 million. Britain will be playing its role for

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those, through no fault of their own, have been displaced by

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conflict. I hope he will continue to look at what more can be done to

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those outside the refugee camps. Everything we are seeing across this

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region begs a fundamental question about whether it can develop a

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politics where people live alongside each other as citizens rather than

:40:58.:41:01.

dividing along ethnic or religious lines. Does he agree that while we

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can and should provide assistance to make that happen, in the end it is

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about the political will of those in the region that will determine

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whether this happens or not? I agree, it would be a mistake to

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believe the only answer to these problems is the hard attack of

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direct intervention. We know that can create problems in itself. But I

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also disagree with those who think it is nothing to do with us and if

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they want to have some sort of extreme Islamist regime in the

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middle of Iraq it will not affect will. The people in that regime are

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also planning to attack us here at home in the UK. The right answer is

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to be long-term hard-headed, patient and intelligent with our

:41:53.:41:56.

interventions. The most important intervention is to make sure these

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governments are fully representative of the people who live in their

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countries and they close down the ungoverned space and they removed

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the support for the extremists. We have to help in Iraq, Somalia,

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Nigeria and Mali because these problems will come back and hit us

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at home if we do not. This week, construction begins on Watford's

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University technical college sponsored by an education trust.

:42:28.:42:32.

Students will receive first-class academic education and real

:42:33.:42:35.

preparation for real jobs in the real world. Would the Prime Minister

:42:36.:42:40.

in courage and young people in Watford to explore the opportunities

:42:41.:42:43.

that this wonderful new school will offer? I know we are doing all we

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can to help get the Watford University technical college ready

:42:51.:42:54.

in September so students can start to benefit. Having visited these

:42:55.:42:59.

technical colleges in Harlow and Staffordshire, I think they

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represent filling in one of the missing links in our education

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system that was left after the Second World War where we helped the

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Germans establish good technical schools, but did not put them in

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place in the United Kingdom. I am very proud to be leading a

:43:17.:43:19.

Government that is putting that right. Three large GP practices in

:43:20.:43:28.

the most deprived areas of north-east Yorkshire are facing

:43:29.:43:32.

crisis. In England we are at least 10,000 GPs short. Labour is

:43:33.:43:40.

promising a maximum 48 hour wait to see a GP. What is he promising?

:43:41.:43:49.

First of all, in order to provide more GPs, we need to provide money

:43:50.:43:53.

and this Government has increased spending on the NHS when we were

:43:54.:43:58.

told by the party opposite it was irresponsible. We have 7000 more

:43:59.:44:05.

doctors, more nurses and more midwives, but 19,000 fewer

:44:06.:44:11.

bureaucrats. It is vital in providing the health services that

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we need. Will he welcomed the happy news that the river we are in the

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midst of a volunteering week of action renovating a park closed in

:44:29.:44:34.

2009, but now reopening thanks to the determination of local

:44:35.:44:38.

residents. Will he welcomed all the jobs, community spirit and real ale

:44:39.:44:45.

that will bring? I am delighted to welcome the real ale and recommend

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they take advantage of the 1p cut not just in this budget, but in the

:44:50.:44:55.

previous budget. I know people in Avonmouth have suffered from air

:44:56.:44:59.

pollution and I am happy to discuss that with her. We are seeing a

:45:00.:45:04.

growth in terms of community pubs and that is all to do good. We

:45:05.:45:09.

introduced the community right to bid that has enabled a number of

:45:10.:45:15.

communities to take hold of these facilities. In its recent report the

:45:16.:45:24.

sea QC praised the start of the hospital in Woolwich for being kind

:45:25.:45:29.

and respectful. Does the Prime Minister remember that one year ago

:45:30.:45:33.

before being stopped by judicial review his Government were proposing

:45:34.:45:39.

to close the A department in the neighbouring Lewisham Hospital which

:45:40.:45:43.

would have added massively to the pressures on the already

:45:44.:45:49.

overstretched Queen Elizabeth? The most important thing with our health

:45:50.:45:54.

services to raise good service when we see it, but to recognise that

:45:55.:45:57.

when you see poor service, we see it, but to recognise that

:45:58.:45:59.

when you see it has to be turned around. We are clear about the

:46:00.:46:04.

turnaround work being done in many of our hospitals that were left for

:46:05.:46:09.

year after year under Labour. But the House might be interested to

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know that the average amount of time you wake in A was 77 minutes when

:46:14.:46:18.

Labour were in power. It is now 30 minutes under this government. Can

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the Prime Minister advise my constituents what action the

:46:28.:46:30.

government is taking to ensure that areas of regeneration such as

:46:31.:46:33.

Colindale in my constituency received the necessary public

:46:34.:46:37.

service infrastructure to support the increasing population? My

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honourable friend makes an important point.

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honourable friend makes an important bonus have helped to make sure the

:46:44.:46:46.

local authorities can put bonus have helped to make sure the

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infrastructure. We have strengthened new planning guidance to ensure that

:46:50.:46:53.

infrastructure is provided support new developments. As a result of the

:46:54.:46:57.

recent award of the Thameslink franchise, there will be new rolling

:46:58.:47:02.

stock on the line. By the end of 2018, there will be over 3000 more

:47:03.:47:06.

seats on trains running through Hendon at peak times, it I hope is

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welcome to his constituents. What does the Prime Minister believed the

:47:12.:47:15.

underlying causes for the ?2 billion deficit forecast for the English

:47:16.:47:22.

National Health Service trust for next year, and what are his

:47:23.:47:27.

remedies? The estimates being made today are being made on the basis

:47:28.:47:31.

that we have set challenges for the NHS in terms of making efficiencies?

:47:32.:47:38.

After four years in government, they have met those in efficiency

:47:39.:47:41.

challenges every year under this government. And that money has been

:47:42.:47:45.

ploughed back into better patient care in our NHS. The question for

:47:46.:47:51.

the NHS in British politics today, I would argue, is, why is it in Wales,

:47:52.:47:55.

where Labour are under control, where 8% cuts have remade in the NHS

:47:56.:47:59.

budget? They might be yawning opposite, blog but they are not

:48:00.:48:04.

yawning in Wales, because they are stuck on waiting lists, desperate

:48:05.:48:10.

for treatment. Will my right honourable friend join me in

:48:11.:48:15.

congratulating the England women's football team? They have had success

:48:16.:48:22.

in the World Cup qualifiers. On and off the pitch, women are delivering

:48:23.:48:26.

for England, with more women in employment, more women setting up

:48:27.:48:32.

businesses. So will the Prime Minister confirmed that in our

:48:33.:48:37.

long-term economic plan, we will ensure that women can continue to

:48:38.:48:40.

score the goals for the UK economy and that no one is left behind? I am

:48:41.:48:49.

happy to join my honourable friend. As a keen fan of not just the

:48:50.:48:53.

England football team, but also the England cricket team, I have the

:48:54.:48:57.

pleasure of having representatives of the England women's football and

:48:58.:48:59.

cricket team in Downing Street recently. I said they seemed to put

:49:00.:49:04.

us through considerably less heartache, stress and worry when

:49:05.:49:07.

qualifying for these major competitions, and indeed in the

:49:08.:49:13.

cricket team's case, when they are winning the Ashes. There is good

:49:14.:49:16.

news to celebrate, which is that e-mail employment is at a record

:49:17.:49:19.

high in our country. There are nearly 7000 more women at work --

:49:20.:49:25.

female employment. We are seeing more female staff in businesses. We

:49:26.:49:28.

are making sure it is fairer for women in terms of pensions. We have

:49:29.:49:32.

a good record, but there is more to be done. Exactly 20 years ago to the

:49:33.:49:42.

day, gunmen went into a pub in my constituency and killed six men.

:49:43.:49:48.

Amid widespread claims about pollution and police cover-up. The

:49:49.:49:52.

families have never received truth and justice. Only two weeks ago, the

:49:53.:49:59.

police ensured that the police ombudsman's investigation was

:50:00.:50:01.

stalled. Does the Prime Minister agree with me that all UK police

:50:02.:50:06.

services must cooperate fully with their oversight authorities, both to

:50:07.:50:12.

the letter and in spirit, to ensure that families that I represent

:50:13.:50:19.

received truth and justice? I agree with the honourable lady that

:50:20.:50:23.

everyone should cooperate with the police ombudsman. I believe the

:50:24.:50:26.

police ombudsman system in Northern Ireland is now a model that other

:50:27.:50:31.

countries are looking to follow. It was something I discussed recently

:50:32.:50:34.

with the Taoiseach in terms of what happens in the Republic of Ireland.

:50:35.:50:38.

We have a system there that works. We have enquiry teams which are also

:50:39.:50:43.

working, but I hope the work can continue between the parties in

:50:44.:50:47.

Northern Ireland to discuss the ideas for flights parades and the

:50:48.:50:52.

past. I hope everyone can come together and sort these issues out

:50:53.:50:56.

-- flied parades. In Jillings and rain, youth unemployment is down,

:50:57.:51:00.

unemployment overall is down, business creation is up. Does the

:51:01.:51:08.

Prime Minister not agree that this shows that our long-term economic

:51:09.:51:12.

plan is working? And will he join with me in welcoming the new

:51:13.:51:17.

creation of a university technical college in Medway, which will ensure

:51:18.:51:21.

that our future generations have the right skills to succeed in life? I

:51:22.:51:27.

am delighted to say to the honourable gentleman that it is

:51:28.:51:29.

welcome that youth unemployment, which has been too high for too long

:51:30.:51:35.

in our country, is down by 25% this year in his constituency, and

:51:36.:51:38.

long-term youth Honor Blackman is down 41%. He makes the point about

:51:39.:51:45.

-- used term unemployment is down. I want to see a technical college in

:51:46.:51:48.

every town so that we give young people the opportunity of a good

:51:49.:51:52.

technical education if that is what they choose. And those schools must

:51:53.:51:56.

be well funded, well resourced and also partnered with organisations

:51:57.:52:01.

that can bring their expertise to bear. How is his campaign going to

:52:02.:52:09.

stop Mr Juncker? It is a simple issue of principle. Much more

:52:10.:52:15.

connected to the principle than the name. The principle is this, and I

:52:16.:52:19.

think it will be shared on every side of the house. The members of

:52:20.:52:24.

the European Council, who are the elected Prime Minister 's and

:52:25.:52:27.

presidents, under the treaties, we should choose who runs the European

:52:28.:52:33.

Commission. I don't mind how many people on the European Council

:52:34.:52:36.

disagree with me, I will fight this to the very end. And what I would

:52:37.:52:44.

say to my colleagues on the European Council, many of whom have expressed

:52:45.:52:49.

interest in views about both this principle and this person, if you

:52:50.:52:53.

want reform in Europe, you have got to stand up for it. If you want

:52:54.:52:57.

change in Europe, you have got to vote for it. That is the message I

:52:58.:53:01.

will take, and that is the right message for our country. Last year,

:53:02.:53:17.

a Cabinet Office minister said relocation of staff out of expensive

:53:18.:53:21.

London offices to other regions continues to be high on the agenda

:53:22.:53:25.

to deliver the savings needed. Will the Prime Minister look to move some

:53:26.:53:29.

of those jobs to Redcar in Cleveland, where we have low-cost

:53:30.:53:34.

offices, affordable housing, school places, people ready to work and a

:53:35.:53:39.

great lifestyle? My honourable friend makes an important point

:53:40.:53:43.

about the relocation of jobs. Of course, we want to see that develop.

:53:44.:53:48.

I know it was disappointing about the changes to the insolvency

:53:49.:53:51.

service in Stockton last year. One of the reasons that happened was

:53:52.:53:57.

there has been such a sharp fall in bankruptcy and company closures,

:53:58.:54:01.

which is a welcome development. Overall, employment is rising in the

:54:02.:54:06.

north-east. It rose by 47,000 last year, but we have to make sure we

:54:07.:54:10.

generate not just by that sector jobs, but where we can, locate a big

:54:11.:54:14.

sector job different parts of the country. We continue with that

:54:15.:54:20.

programme. How many people from this country are fighting for ISIS, and

:54:21.:54:25.

what risks do they pose to the UK? The estimates that have been given

:54:26.:54:30.

so far are that around 400 people from the UK have taken part in

:54:31.:54:36.

fighting with ISIS, but those numbers are based around what is

:54:37.:54:40.

happening in Syria rather than what is happening in Iraq, where we have

:54:41.:54:46.

considerably less information. Together with the Home Secretary and

:54:47.:54:50.

others, I have turned meetings in Whitehall to make sure our

:54:51.:54:54.

intelligence, security and policing services are focused as sharply as

:54:55.:54:57.

they can on to this Robben. The estimates are now -- this problem is

:54:58.:55:03.

a greater threat to the UK than the return of jihadis from the

:55:04.:55:08.

Afghanistan or Pakistan region. We need to do everything we can to keep

:55:09.:55:13.

our country safe. What it is good news that the budget deficit has

:55:14.:55:17.

been cut by a third, there is still much more to do. One way of helping

:55:18.:55:22.

our country live within its means is to send back all the convicted

:55:23.:55:27.

criminals who are foreign nationals and who are costing British

:55:28.:55:31.

taxpayers millions of pounds each year to keep in our prisons. All too

:55:32.:55:32.

often, attempts to send year to keep in our prisons. All too

:55:33.:55:38.

criminals ask the blood by human rights legislation. -- the attempts

:55:39.:55:43.

are scuppered by human rights legislation. What plans does the

:55:44.:55:46.

Prime Minister have put an end to this ludicrous state of affairs? I

:55:47.:55:52.

agree that we need to do more on this front. We have removed around

:55:53.:55:57.

20,000 foreign national offenders since this government came to

:55:58.:56:00.

office, but the number is built to high. I have a lot of individual

:56:01.:56:05.

ministers to individual territories, particularly those with the highest

:56:06.:56:07.

number of foreign offenders, countries like Nigeria, Jamaica,

:56:08.:56:12.

Vietnam, China, to make sure we make progress on returning these

:56:13.:56:16.

prisoners. We also need to use the prisoner transfer agreement within

:56:17.:56:21.

the European Union, because that could lead to a large number of

:56:22.:56:28.

prisoners being returned to Poland. If we get a Conservative government

:56:29.:56:31.

after the next election, we will have a substantive reform to the

:56:32.:56:35.

Human Rights Act, which is not working properly for Britain. Last

:56:36.:56:41.

month, the National Health Service missed its cancer treatment target

:56:42.:56:44.

for the very first time. What does the Prime Minister have to say to

:56:45.:56:49.

patients and their families who have had to put their lives on hold,

:56:50.:56:53.

waiting for vital treatment to start? There is not a family in this

:56:54.:56:59.

country that is not affected by cancer and the difficulties of

:57:00.:57:02.

making sure you get the treatment you need as fast as you can. We have

:57:03.:57:06.

a series of targets for cancer treatment, and we are meeting almost

:57:07.:57:10.

all of them. We have seen an increase of around 15% in terms of

:57:11.:57:14.

the number of people being treated for cancer. And we have introduced

:57:15.:57:18.

that never existed the previous government, the Cancer Drugs Fund.

:57:19.:57:25.

She will know people in her constituency, just as I know people

:57:26.:57:29.

in my constituency who are getting medicines that they need that they

:57:30.:57:35.

never got before. The Prime Minister will know that the economic recovery

:57:36.:57:38.

in Essex has been led by the private sector, with Essex firms creating

:57:39.:57:42.

thousands of new jobs and exporting across the globe. Will he come and

:57:43.:57:46.

Essex businesses and support their efforts to export more by looking

:57:47.:57:50.

favourably upon our plans to upgrade our interest, both our road and rail

:57:51.:57:57.

network across Essex? As I have said before, where Essex leads, the rest

:57:58.:58:01.

of the country follows. In terms of economic recovery, private sector

:58:02.:58:05.

growth, entrepreneurialism, employing more people, that is what

:58:06.:58:10.

the economy needs. That is what our economic plan is delivering. Last

:58:11.:58:13.

week, we saw that record in crease in employment. This week, we saw

:58:14.:58:19.

inflation fall to a five-year low. I had successful meetings yesterday

:58:20.:58:23.

with the Chinese premier, fanning ?14 billion worth of important deals

:58:24.:58:26.

that will bring jobs, growth and investment to this country. We have

:58:27.:58:30.

to keep working on every aspect of our plan, including exports. The

:58:31.:58:37.

former Prime Minister Sir John Major made a strong case for looking at

:58:38.:58:43.

our constitutional arrangements, whatever the outcome in September in

:58:44.:58:47.

Scotland. Will he accept that devolution in England outside London

:58:48.:58:54.

is very much unfinished business? If our great cities like Birmingham

:58:55.:58:57.

want to remain economic engines, they require radically reformed

:58:58.:59:01.

funding structures and our regions require strategically elected direct

:59:02.:59:05.

mayors. As the honourable lady knows, I am a fan of directly

:59:06.:59:11.

elected mayors, but the people of Birmingham had their chance to make

:59:12.:59:14.

that decision and they voted not to have one. I hope people will see

:59:15.:59:20.

successful mayors in London, Liverpool, Bristol and other parts

:59:21.:59:23.

of the country, and they will see that there are benefits from that.

:59:24.:59:27.

But I agree with her that even if we don't move to a mayoral system,

:59:28.:59:30.

there is more we can do through city deals, local enterprise

:59:31.:59:34.

partnerships, devolving some of the funding in Whitehall further down

:59:35.:59:41.

towards cities and regions. What is welcome is the fact that her party

:59:42.:59:46.

has not decided to tear up local enterprise partnerships in its party

:59:47.:59:50.

review. It is good that we have cross-party agreement on how to

:59:51.:59:55.

drive devolution to our great cities around the country. On behalf of my

:59:56.:00:04.

burnt wood constituents, may I thank the Prime Minister for his swift and

:00:05.:00:09.

effective action in giving a posthumous honour to my constituent

:00:10.:00:15.

Stephen Sutton? But with the economic plan now working well, how

:00:16.:00:20.

can we build on that, and how can we build on the legacy that Stephen

:00:21.:00:25.

Sutton set for giving to charitable purposes? Stephen Sutton was an

:00:26.:00:32.

inspiring individual. His zest for life, even as he was suffering from

:00:33.:00:36.

a difficult and progressive cancer, was extraordinary. He raised the

:00:37.:00:40.

huge amount of money for Teenage Cancer Trust and raised it around

:00:41.:00:46.

the world as well as in the UK. It is right that our honours system

:00:47.:00:50.

happily rewards people that give to charity, that give of their time

:00:51.:00:56.

from the bottom to the top. There is probably more we can do to make sure

:00:57.:01:00.

that our honours dust reflects what the British public want, which is to

:01:01.:01:04.

say giving and generosity and compassion rewarded. The Prime

:01:05.:01:09.

Minister may recollect that a few months ago, at Prime Minister's

:01:10.:01:14.

Questions, I asked him to meet the victims of a drug. There are over 50

:01:15.:01:18.

of them coming to Parliament today. I would ask if he would see them,

:01:19.:01:21.

look at the document we have produced to show that the committee

:01:22.:01:26.

of medicine in new about the fact that this drug was causing

:01:27.:01:28.

deformities in babies, and nothing was done about it. I would ask him

:01:29.:01:34.

to then consider a public enquiry. I do not think I will be able, I'm

:01:35.:01:40.

afraid, today, to see the people she's bringing to the House of

:01:41.:01:42.

Commons. I'm happy to another conversation with her about what can

:01:43.:01:46.

be done and to understand about what more can be communicated to these

:01:47.:01:54.

people. In welcoming the Chinese premier, Mr Lee, to this country,

:01:55.:01:59.

and in recognising that China is one of the greatest export markets for

:02:00.:02:03.

Britain, can ask the Prime Minister to use his good offices to unblock

:02:04.:02:08.

the barrier to the export of pigs' feat for human consumption, which

:02:09.:02:13.

will bring thousands of pounds -- pigs' feet? I will certainly take up

:02:14.:02:20.

my honourable friend on that issue. I recall on a previous visit to

:02:21.:02:27.

China, we unlocked the export of big as' seem to China, so we made

:02:28.:02:37.

progress -- pigs' seaman. So I will look carefully at pig feet, and if

:02:38.:02:41.

exports can be allowed and jobs can be promoted, I would be happy to

:02:42.:02:47.

help. Notwithstanding the serious problems as well, does the Prime

:02:48.:02:53.

Minister share my concern about the crisis in South Sudan, where 4

:02:54.:03:00.

million people are facing famine? What steps are being taken to

:03:01.:03:08.

implement the peace process? I was discussing this issue yesterday with

:03:09.:03:10.

the Archbishop of Canterbury, who very bravely had been with local

:03:11.:03:16.

church leaders to a town which had been subject to some of the most

:03:17.:03:20.

serious fighting. It is a very different part of the world to what

:03:21.:03:23.

we were discussing earlier, but some of the same rules apply. We need a

:03:24.:03:26.

government that governs on behalf of all the people in that country, and

:03:27.:03:31.

does not try to divide the country along ethnic lines. We will do what

:03:32.:03:38.

we can, and when we talk about intervention in this country, it is

:03:39.:03:41.

intervention through diplomacy, aid, assistance and advice, and we will

:03:42.:03:52.

continue with that. Is my right honourable friend aware that at the

:03:53.:03:59.

conference this weekend in Athens of the national chairman of the select

:04:00.:04:04.

committees, with delegates from all parties, but also chairman of the

:04:05.:04:09.

European Parliamentary committees as well, the British delegation

:04:10.:04:16.

defeated an attempt to treat the word euro scepticism as equivalent

:04:17.:04:20.

to xenophobia and racism? And furthermore, that on the question of

:04:21.:04:28.

the procedure, the unprecedented procedure relating to the proposed

:04:29.:04:33.

appointment or election of Mr Juncker, the conference also agreed

:04:34.:04:42.

with the British delegation that this was an unprecedented and

:04:43.:04:44.

unacceptable and unsuccessful procedure? No surprises that my

:04:45.:04:51.

honourable friend was successful in this negotiation on behalf of

:04:52.:04:56.

Britain. There is support right around Europe for the concept of the

:04:57.:05:00.

Council of ministers making these choices. But as I say, it requires

:05:01.:05:04.

the elected by ministers and presidents to vote in the way they

:05:05.:05:10.

believe. We have been slightly delayed, but there are

:05:11.:05:14.

accommodations I want to make. On the Prime Minister's watch, five

:05:15.:05:17.

GPs' surgeries face closure in my bar and 98 nationally. Is this what

:05:18.:05:21.

the Prime Minister meant when he promised to protect the NHS? When I

:05:22.:05:27.

said we would protect the NHS, I meant just that. We are spending

:05:28.:05:32.

?12.7 billion more on the NHS, which Labour said was responsible for what

:05:33.:05:37.

we have 7000 more doctors in our NHS by 3000 more nurses, over 1000 more

:05:38.:05:43.

midwives in our NHS. But there is something we have less of. We have

:05:44.:05:48.

19,000 fewer bureaucrats, and that money has been piled into patient

:05:49.:05:52.

care, including improving primary care around the country. The people

:05:53.:06:04.

of Newark have enjoyed becoming better acquainted with the Prime

:06:05.:06:07.

Minister this past month. I regret to inform the Prime Minister that

:06:08.:06:12.

the town of South well in my constituency was again flooded last

:06:13.:06:15.

week. Would the Prime Minister reaffirm his commitment to support

:06:16.:06:21.

my proposal that those parts of Nottinghamshire that was severely

:06:22.:06:24.

affected by the floods of 2013 received similar grants to those

:06:25.:06:28.

parts elsewhere in the country flooded at the beginning of this

:06:29.:06:33.

year? Firstly, I welcome my honourable friend to his place in

:06:34.:06:39.

the House of Commons after a long, arduous but well fought and positive

:06:40.:06:42.

by-election campaign. My honourable friend makes an important point.

:06:43.:06:47.

There are parts of the country in Nottinghamshire, but also elsewhere

:06:48.:06:50.

that flooded during the course of 2013. They were not eligible for

:06:51.:06:57.

some of the payments that were made subsequent to the flooding, support

:06:58.:07:03.

for householders, farmers under the proposals. We are looking at whether

:07:04.:07:08.

we can put back to the beginning of the 2013 financial year the

:07:09.:07:10.

eligibility criteria for that flood work. I will look at it carefully

:07:11.:07:16.

and talk with my right honourable friend the Secretary of State for

:07:17.:07:18.

local government and communities, and see if we can resolve this issue

:07:19.:07:21.

for my honourable friend. which is a bit longer than normal.

:07:22.:07:43.

While it was taking place, there have been two developments in Iraq.

:07:44.:07:48.

The country's biggest oil refinery to the north-west of Baghdad is now

:07:49.:07:50.

in flames. The country's biggest oil refinery

:07:51.:07:53.

to the The militant tried to take it, they got part of it, Iraqi army

:07:54.:07:59.

helicopters have fought back. It looks like they have reclaim it, but

:08:00.:08:03.

it is at a cost of a huge part of the oil refinery. Secondly, the

:08:04.:08:11.

battle of Baghdad has not yet begun. But the battle of the Cooper is well

:08:12.:08:17.

underway, 40 miles to the north. The militants have taken huge chunks of

:08:18.:08:24.

that town and we understand the battle is raging there. If the

:08:25.:08:28.

militants take that town, the future of Baghdad could be next in line.

:08:29.:08:35.

Unlike last week when it didn't get a mention at all, the events in Iraq

:08:36.:08:40.

dominated the exchanges between the two frontbenchers. There is a

:08:41.:08:45.

bipartisan approach on this. The exchanges covered what the latest

:08:46.:08:50.

assessment was. The leader of the house went on to ask about what was

:08:51.:08:54.

happening to any British national fighting there and what we were

:08:55.:08:58.

going to do about that. It then came on to Iran in its role and the work

:08:59.:09:06.

Britain was doing to bring humanitarian aid to that troubled

:09:07.:09:10.

part of the world. Let's hear what you made of it all.

:09:11.:09:16.

Lots of response to the situation. Helen Manning says, hearing all the

:09:17.:09:22.

useless rhetoric about Iraq and Iran from Ed Miliband and David leaves me

:09:23.:09:29.

cold. From Tim, why doesn't the Government explain how we are

:09:30.:09:34.

threatened by the conflict? Paula Hendry said, the discussion across

:09:35.:09:39.

the dispatch box was refreshing. Both Mr Cameron and Mr Miliband had

:09:40.:09:44.

an adult interaction. This from Alec Aitken, I want all of the youths who

:09:45.:09:51.

have travelled to Syria, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and to wait

:09:52.:10:04.

red flagged and anyone fighting in these countries should be exiled.

:10:05.:10:08.

Peter Clatworthy says the fact of the matter is if these sets want to

:10:09.:10:14.

redraw the boundaries in the Middle East and want to massacre each other

:10:15.:10:18.

in the process, there is nothing we can do about it, except at the level

:10:19.:10:24.

of the United Nations. There was a related question from the father of

:10:25.:10:30.

the house fairly early on which was about enacting powers of

:10:31.:10:34.

impeachment, not something you hear about very often. It is true the

:10:35.:10:39.

house still has those existing privileges of impeachment because

:10:40.:10:42.

they have to be formally abandoned for them to be obsolete. That would

:10:43.:10:48.

require legislation and no legislation has been introduced.

:10:49.:10:50.

Adam Price, legislation has been introduced.

:10:51.:10:50.

Adam a former MP, and ten other MPs Adam a former MP, and ten other

:10:51.:10:56.

including Alex Salmond, Boris Johnson and Nigel Evans declared an

:10:57.:10:59.

intention to table a motion calling for an impeachment of Tony Blair

:11:00.:11:05.

regarding the invasion of Iraq. It was tabled by Parliamentary

:11:06.:11:10.

authorities in November, 2004, but in the end was not debated in that

:11:11.:11:15.

session because the motion did not have precedence in terms of business

:11:16.:11:18.

of the house. It would be unlikely that Peter Tapsell would have any

:11:19.:11:23.

influence in terms of enacting the powers now, but they are there. The

:11:24.:11:31.

last case was in a team of six. American powers were derived from

:11:32.:11:38.

those powers. It was 1806. That is impressive. Other than that of the

:11:39.:11:47.

two frontbenchers can gather round some generalised statements, what

:11:48.:11:52.

did we learn today? We did not learn a great deal. There was what people

:11:53.:11:58.

may regard as a grown-up exchange of views on Iraq, but it highlighted

:11:59.:12:03.

that Britain's Road is pretty marginal. Ed Miliband's last

:12:04.:12:07.

question sound that up and he would say no bad thing. It is up to the

:12:08.:12:14.

people in the region to find a solution. That was in contrast to

:12:15.:12:20.

Peter Tapsell and the impeachment of Tony Blair. But we know the

:12:21.:12:24.

Americans are considering military action, but there was no mention of

:12:25.:12:26.

military action and whether we should block it or participate in

:12:27.:12:33.

it. There was talk about diplomacy and humanitarian aid which could be

:12:34.:12:40.

given another boost, ?5 million. And that new relationship if it becomes

:12:41.:12:47.

that with Iran. But I got the sense that it captured both the importance

:12:48.:12:50.

of the issue and the impotence of Britain. Throughout this particular

:12:51.:12:58.

dispute, particularly in Lebanon and then in Syria and now in Iraq this

:12:59.:13:01.

has not been just an issue for the people who live there, this has

:13:02.:13:07.

become a proxy war. This has become a proxy war which the Saudis, the

:13:08.:13:12.

Kuwaitis, Qatar and Iran have now got involved in. There are

:13:13.:13:19.

geopolitical implications. This is not just an issue which will be

:13:20.:13:23.

resolved by the people who live in these countries. Know, and the US

:13:24.:13:28.

resolved by the people who live in considering what it is going to do

:13:29.:13:30.

and William Hague was asked about that earlier in the week and said we

:13:31.:13:32.

would support what the that earlier in the week and said we

:13:33.:13:36.

were doing in the sense we would not get involved in it, but we

:13:37.:13:39.

were doing in the sense we would not back them up. Without knowing what

:13:40.:13:44.

they were going to do? The question raised there and in one of the

:13:45.:13:49.

e-mails was the question about the threat to Britain. The key thing is

:13:50.:13:53.

those British citizens who have gone to fight in those countries and

:13:54.:13:56.

making sure they do not come back radicalised. If we have information

:13:57.:14:04.

that someone has been out in the killing fields of northern Iraq,

:14:05.:14:09.

playing their part in that killing, they will now be pretty battle

:14:10.:14:12.

hardened and well-trained and we know there are coming back, put

:14:13.:14:16.

aside the issue of those we do not know, what should we do with that

:14:17.:14:22.

person? If they are a naturalised British citizen? Yes. If they were

:14:23.:14:30.

not born a British citizen the Home Secretary has powers to remove their

:14:31.:14:32.

citizenship and stop them coming back. We have used that power. If

:14:33.:14:39.

they are British citizens we do not have that option for, if they are

:14:40.:14:44.

born here, we should use our intelligence services to know about

:14:45.:14:49.

them. If they have committed criminal offences, and you heard the

:14:50.:14:52.

Prime Minister talking about making it an offence to do this abroad, we

:14:53.:14:59.

have to use our intelligence services. What does that mean? We

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have to understand if they are a threat. Clearly they are a threat if

:15:09.:15:11.

they have been in the killing Fields. What more of a sign do you

:15:12.:15:19.

want? We have to use our intelligence services. We need to

:15:20.:15:24.

focus on where the risk is highest. I would suggest that is the 400

:15:25.:15:30.

people out there now. It is a difficult problem. And it is a

:15:31.:15:36.

problem that all parties have grappled with. The current

:15:37.:15:40.

Government removed some of the controversial powers for tracking

:15:41.:15:43.

people and there is an issue about whether we have got the right powers

:15:44.:15:48.

and strength. But I think it is tremendously difficult when people

:15:49.:15:54.

come back. We have to engage in these communities and make sure

:15:55.:15:57.

radicalisation, to the extent that it happens, is challenge. It has

:15:58.:16:04.

already happened. These people are out there. In some of the ISIS

:16:05.:16:09.

videos you can hear North of England accent. Some of them are apparently

:16:10.:16:15.

doing the killing as well. A lot of people will think, watching this

:16:16.:16:19.

programme, whether it is legal or moral, a lot of people think if they

:16:20.:16:23.

attempt to come back in, they should not be allowed back in at all or

:16:24.:16:28.

they should be taken in and stuck in the slammer until we work out what

:16:29.:16:32.

to do with them. There are issues about whether we have the correct

:16:33.:16:36.

powers. You cannot do that without having the correct powers. Control

:16:37.:16:44.

orders? We were concerned about them being abolished. I think in the

:16:45.:16:47.

circumstances you have to be clear that you have the right powers. The

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fact is if there are 400, the worst-case 700 make their way back,

:16:56.:16:58.

incredibly well-trained and battle hardened and quite fearless, the

:16:59.:17:03.

idea that the security forces should just monitor them, my understanding

:17:04.:17:11.

is to keep on monitoring with our resources you need ten or 12 people

:17:12.:17:15.

a day from the security services to do that. We have not got these

:17:16.:17:21.

people. That is why we will have a revival about powers and so

:17:22.:17:24.

violence. In the Guardian there is an argument about what are the core

:17:25.:17:31.

powers of surveillance? Someone from the Home Office argued it was legal

:17:32.:17:36.

and rightly legal to scan e-mails of people who come from abroad. His

:17:37.:17:42.

argument was it was the only way you will pick up that noisy traffic. But

:17:43.:17:48.

the state does not have the resource to take named individuals and

:17:49.:17:52.

monitor them all. Others would say that is a breach of Civil

:17:53.:17:56.

Liberties. I think we will have a debate in Parliament. A new law

:17:57.:18:02.

planning a terrorist offence overseas is a new offence in itself

:18:03.:18:08.

is being planned. There will be control orders and a debate about

:18:09.:18:12.

electronic surveillance. Should be an offence to go and fight for

:18:13.:18:17.

another terrorist group? I think it should. I think going in and

:18:18.:18:22.

fighting already can be. I think the Prime Minister is thinking about the

:18:23.:18:28.

planning and preparation. If you have been abroad and you have been

:18:29.:18:33.

taking part, you may have committed offences already. He was talking

:18:34.:18:37.

about making sure the planning and preparation is also a crime.

:18:38.:18:42.

Surveillance is important. Security services have no interest in reading

:18:43.:18:47.

e-mails, but people use social media to plan and commit these offences.

:18:48.:18:53.

That is clear. I was speaking to a senior security guy recently who

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said he agreed with the assessment. That is if Edward Snowden has not

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already stopped us doing what we need to do. But there is a big

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counter argument they are having their hands tied behind their back

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at the very time the threat is increasing. I am sure this will not

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go away. Just before we move on, a Liberal Democrat minister has

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confirmed senior figures in the party are discussing whether they

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should back a referendum on Britain's membership of the European

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Union and we heard reports today the party had been due to discuss this

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at a meeting last night, but it is only a preliminary meeting, but this

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could change that policy. Now,

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Britain is a nation of dog lovers. We all know about Andrew

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and his Molly. But campaigners are trying to get

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the Government to change the law to ensure that the puppies we buy are

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not mass produced in puppy farms. They want to ensure that puppies are

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kept with their mothers and not sold via pet shops, newspaper ads,

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websites and private dealers. Here is TV vet Marc Abraham with

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his soapbox. Most of us lavish love on our pets. Zoe's owner certainly

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does, but Zoe still bears the scars on the first years of her life on a

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puppy farm. Unfortunately, if you buy a puppy without seeing its mum,

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for example at a pet shop, not only will you most likely be unwittingly

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contributing to a trade that is detrimental to dog welfare, but you

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will probably end up back in a place like this, with a very sick dog as

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well. Young puppies like these guys need their mums. But puppy farmers

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separate them far too early. They often also ignored guidelines about

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health testing, maximum frequency of litters, keeping them in poor

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conditions, failing to socialise them before selling them on without

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vaccination or worming. Put simply, at the farms like this, dogs are

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bred in large numbers with little care for their welfare, health or

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happiness in an effort to maximise profits. Poppy farmers often sell to

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pet shops, just one reason why it is such a bad idea to buy your new

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companion from such a place. They also use the party dealers,

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advertising newspapers and when selling directly will arrange to

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meet at places such as pubs or service station. This way you never

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see the conditions in which the puppies being bred. One of the

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simpler than most effective steps deeper can take to stamp out puppy

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farming is by banning the sale of puppies in pet shops. In this day

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and age, there is no justification for this practice. We need greater

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regulation and much better inspection of the breeders. It is

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time for local authorities to enforce guidelines that puppies are

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only sold when they are seen with their mother. Puppy farming is

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cruelty, and it is time to stop it. And Marc Abraham joins us now. How

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big a problem is this? How many puppy farms are there? Some are

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licensed, some are unlicensed, so it is impossible to give an exact

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figure, but there are enough to cause a huge overproduction of dogs

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in this country. We have puppies being produced on a massive, battery

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farming scale. And we have held the rescued dogs Ian Poulter sleep every

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day. This is not right in the 21st century -- we have rescued dogs who

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are healthy being put to sleep every day. There is demand, but it is the

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wrong demand. People are impulsive. They see celebrities with a French

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bulldog, and the puppy farmers are rubbing their hands. People do not

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go for the family pet that will last 15 years any more. People go for a

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pet that will look good in their handbag or on Facebook, and get rid

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of it in a year's time. They are not committing to pet ownership as they

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once used to. What can the government do? You talked about

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having guidelines to say that you cannot buy from an unlicensed puppy

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farm. Is that in place, or is it what you want? DEFRA's own

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guidelines say that you should always see the pop with the mum, yet

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they always see the pop with the mum, yet

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are not willing to enforce this. They are ignoring their own

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guidelines, which is crazy. Also, local authorities have the

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guidelines, which is crazy. Also, local authorities powers to amend

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those restrictions, yet in research we conduct did, over 50% came back

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saying they did not realise this. It is time for ministers to commit to

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something positive and say, let's stamp out puppy farming, look after

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the rescued dogs of this world and the responsibility of breeders.

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There should be a comprehensive solution to this. It is a growing

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robin, and many of the puppy farms in the UK -- many of the farms are

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in Wales and it is a growing problem. The government are looking

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at how to increase the requirements. The law is

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enforceable. Some of those pictures, I don't think those conditions would

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have asked any kind of welfare test by any licensed operator. Beneath to

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be a comprehensive solution. We need to see how the Welsh solutions work.

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It is something we ought to be looking at dealing with, because it

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is a serious problem. Shouldn't the pet shops just be told not to take

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these? It is already the case within the law that you have to have a. My

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own local authority just revoke the licence of two breeding

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establishments in my constituency, so they can take action. Local

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authorities have to enforce the law. They do inspections, and they can

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look at the conditions the dogs are in. We have to finish there. Thank

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you for bringing attention to this. People can go to our website for

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more information. Join the debate and the petition. Good luck.

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MPs work hard in their constituencies when they are not

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representing their constituents in Parliament, they are beavering away

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on the ground. But you know that. Helen Goodman is the MP for Bishop

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Auckland in County Durham, and in her constituency is a village called

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Ingleton. So when she gave a speech at the village fair, she thought she

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would drop in some local knowledge to show how in touch she is with the

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constituency. But there is another Ingleton, 70 miles away in North

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Yorkshire, and she mixed up the two. Locals were perplexed by the

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waterfalls and big caves she praised in her speech. I am not surprised!

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Luckily, we have two hard-working constituency MPs here today, and

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they could not possibly confuse towns in their constituencies with

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others, or could they? We thought we would find out. It is the

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constituency quiz. Let's start with you, Maria Eagle. Your constituency

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is Hales would -- Halewood. But there is also a blast in Watford so

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which Garston does the River corn run through? That is not mine.

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Correct. It is in Watford. And in which Garston did ask Ron Jeremiah

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Horrocks, who predicted the transit of Venus across the sun in 1639,

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live? I can't say I know the answer to that. We know Jak Jones was

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warning Garston. I am being told that all these questions are wrong,

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and we are just wasting our time. So let's not bother. I could tell you a

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lot about my constituency. I am told that your questions are incorrect.

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In my constituency, I have two villages, both called Staunton. So

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you have to be sure not to model them up. It was a good idea, but

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unfortunately, the research team have been redeployed to western

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Baghdad as I speak. Surely you would know if it was your constituency. If

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I get asked open things, I usually take the view that people do not

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want a long, complicated speech. They just want to thank the people

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that are there, and then get the thing going. The real danger is with

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boundary changes, when you suddenly get a chunk of land that did not

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choose to be yours. I apologise to the people of all these

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constituencies. Now, time to put you out of your

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misery, unlike me. I'm just going into mine.

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I will put you out of your misery in a minute! Here is the answer to

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guess the year. The year, which we often get to tell

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you, was 1999. I said 2000. At least, we hope it is 1999. Thank

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you, Maria. For pressing the buzzer. Colin Bates in Birmingham, well

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done. Thank you to all of our guests,

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particularly Maria and Mark. One o'clock is is now on BBC One. And

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unlike Jeremy Paxman, we are not taking early retirement. We will be

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back tomorrow. Bye-bye.

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