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Good morning and welcome to the Daily Politics.

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Islamic jihadists threaten to plunge the Middle East into chaos.

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Is this really the best way to stabilise the region?

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The Government promised to reduce net migration to below 100,000

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Is it any wonder the public are cynical?

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More than 100,000 people have signed a petition to ban puppy farming.

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And forget Spain versus Chile, we will bring you the real match

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All that coming up in the next 90 minutes and on the pitch

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for the duration, in goal and trying not to let any more in, former

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And coming up hard on the left wing, the Shadow Environment Secretary

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First this morning, Iran's odds of winning the World Cup are 2500/1,

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but who cares if Britain and America want to be your best friend?

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The country that was once an international pariah is now

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at the receiving end of diplomatic advances from the United States,

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Britain and other Western countries who are trying to see off the threat

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Their success threatens peace and stability in the entire region.

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The Prime Minister is chairing a meeting of the

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Here is Jo Co to explain how we got here.

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For more than a decade Britain was actively

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engaged in a series of conflicts that became known as Blair's wars.

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In 1999, British forces took part in a multinational force in Kosovo

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to hold back Slobodan Milosevic's forces.

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British troops were also active on their own in Sierra Leone

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in 2000 when rebels threatened to overrun the country.

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Then in 2001, following on from the September the 11th attacks, Britain

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took part in a multinational force against the Taliban in Afghanistan.

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Whilst all of these conflicts were controversial,

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there was a reasonable level of support in the country.

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Iraq in 2003, however, changed all of this.

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Hundreds of thousands marched against the war and the country

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The recriminations over that conflict continue to this day,

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overshadowing Britain's foreign policy ever since.

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It certainly hung over David Cameron's intervention in Libya.

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Following UN Security Council authorisation in 2011,

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Britain contributed to policing a no-fly zone over the country and

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many suggested Mr Cameron had found a new template for waging military

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campaigns by enabling the rebels to carry

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on the offensive. The situation in Syria, however, showed the limits

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In August last year the Commons rejected the Prime Minister's call

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for military action against President Assad following

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Speaking the morning after the vote the Chancellor George

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Osborne said there would now be "national soul-searching about our

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Joining us now is that Douglas Murray joining us from the Henry

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Jackson Society, named after the famous American. If there is a known

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regional player that could intervene, it is only America. It is

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not going to be Europe or Britain, it is only America. Should America

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do anything? It should, but it depends what the circumstances are

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under which it could make things better. There is a problem from

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outside the region at the moment which is we tend to be reading it

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outside the region at the moment if it is about us. This is a

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particularly British virus at the moment. This is not about us, it is

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about forces beyond our control and beyond America's control unless

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America can get some kind of regional agreement that could work.

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It is difficult to see what kind of thing that would be. It is not just

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an Iraq problem, it is a regional problem from the Levant and the

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Mediterranean through to the goal. It is fundamentally sectarian Shia

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war, sectarian war between two different religious groups. They

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each have their proxies, Saudis on one side on the other. Isn't the

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lesson of history that it is better to stay out? You could take that

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interpretation. There is a great problem for countries like ours and

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America which see humanitarian suffering of the kind that has gone

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on in Syria for several years and want to do something about it. The

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something must be done syndrome. At the other end we have got the

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limitations of our capabilities. They were demonstrated by the fact

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there were obvious things people thought we could do in Libya, but it

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was very hard to see what we could do in Syria. There is the difference

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between our desires and our capabilities. As for the Sunni and

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Shia issue, for some time there has been a risk the region would clarify

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along those lines. That is what has been attempted to be postponed, that

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that should be put off. It is possible we cannot put it off any

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longer. That has come about because of the clarification which has come

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inside Syria in recent years. The regional players have all been able

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to act out their proxy wars. But they are coming closer to home and

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that is why this is such a disturbing situation. There is no

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appetite in this country for any kind of intervention whatsoever.

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Loo-mac you saw that very clearly from Tony Blair's intervention. A

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lot of these type of things are seen through the prism of the Iraq

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intervention. William Hague made it clear we were not contemplating any

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kind of military intervention. He said our response was political to

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work out what was happening in Iraq and we had a humanitarian role. But

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he made it clear we were not looking at military intervention. What about

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the North and the autonomous region of Kurdistan? It is the only really

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successful part of the country. Would we offer that any protection?

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He made it clear he was not ruling out all intervention everywhere for

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ever. I know what he said. The Kurdish area has been very

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successful and one of the Foreign Office ministers met with their

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regional Government. They have a representative in London. You are

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telling me things I know. It is our job to try and support the

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democratic Governments in Iraq and Kurdistan and we have to look at

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protecting them if it is within our capability. What is Labour's policy?

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The terrorists creating mayhem in Iraq at the moment need to be

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stopped. It would be slightly strange if Labour said we back the

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brutal terrorists as they sweep through Iraq. We take it for granted

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you are against them, what is your policy? I do not disagree enormously

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with the Government about this. We need to support the Iraqi Government

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in making sure they can tackle this issue properly. What does that mean?

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We said we will support them in terms of tackling terrorism. We need

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to make sure the Government in Iraq can put themselves together by being

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less sectarian. If you look Read the latest dispatches from Baghdad that

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is not happening. The army is becoming more and more a wing of the

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Shia party. You say we back the Iraqi Government in dealing with

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this terrorism. In what way do you back it? The Government have talked

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about providing support. What kind of support? Support that is not

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troops on the ground. But what? The Western powers have talked about

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providing some capability that might assist. What should the British do?

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We support them in that. We have been clear on the Labour side as

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well as on the Government side that we do not support sending troops

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back in. I understand that. There is a limit to the support we can give.

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These two answers that Conservative and Labour have given this programme

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showed the collective irrelevance of British political parties in what is

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happening in Iraq. The reality is we have a huge and widening chasm

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between what we say we would like to do and what we are able to do. You

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cannot have successive governments diminishing our armed forces. We

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lower our armed defence capabilities, yet always ramping up

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the rhetoric of what we wish to achieve at war. You will simply have

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a situation like now where we cannot do very much. This is not about

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capabilities, this is about the appetite of wanting to get engaged

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and a bit of humility in the political class and in public about

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being sure if we intervene, we are going to make things better and not

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worse. The debate on Syria last year, the real reason there was not

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an appetite to do things was because people were concerned and were not

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sure about what intervention we could take that could make things

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better. That is a perfectly mature response. Would it not be more

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honest to say to the British people, because of what has happened in the

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past and Iraq hangs over like a dark shadow on British foreign policy,

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because of the fact we have slashed our armed forces and reduced our

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capability, there will be horrible things happening there, but other

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than humanitarian aid there is very little that we can do. Would that

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not be honest? The Foreign Secretary was honest. He made it clear we were

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going to provide political support to the Iraqi Government. I have no

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idea what that means. On the counterterrorism side we have

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expertise so we can provide advice. And we can provide significant

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humanitarian aid. And we can provide significant

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about that. The fact is the biggest ally is the Iranian Revolutionary

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guard. Its commander is already in Baghdad, we are told, with 67 of his

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top advisers. There were reports a couple of days ago that they had

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basically taken over control of the Iraqi forces because the American

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trained Iraqi forces were useless. That is his ally. When the league he

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was in exile he spent time in terror ran. They are the ones who matter.

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Not British forces. It was perfectly clear that the British would leave

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Iraq and put a timeline on that. It was obvious the Government would

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want to look for friends and there was only one friend in the region.

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One Iraqi politician said, you are our friends, the Iranians are our

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brothers. I looked shocked and he said, we can choose our friends, but

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we cannot choose our family. An example of how very much larger this

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could yet become is that the head of the forces you have just alluded to,

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was involved in a plot to assassinate an ambassador in

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Washington. America is now dealing directly and indirectly with these

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people. These people were very recently involved in a plot on

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American soil and America realises it has to cooperate with the

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Iranians on this. This is nobody's idea of a good time, but the

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situation in the region is so serious. It is a geopolitical

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situation. The lines on the map that we see in that part of the Middle

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East were put there by the British and French imperialists during the

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First World War. They have survived quite a while, but it is over now.

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Yes, it will not meet the centenary. One of the things that can be done

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to salvage this, the point about the Kurdish region is very fair. The

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most important thing is the one bit of the success story, the autonomous

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Kurdish region, should be protected. I think the Kurdish people can

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protect themselves. They have extraordinarily good fighters and

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they have done things in recent days that they see as being in their

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interests. It may be the case that if it was threatened, some kind of

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international force could be given as an assurance to protect those

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areas. In the meantime, the most we can hope is

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areas. In the meantime, the most we can hope what happened with ISIS is

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what happened before is the locals, including the sectarian groups,

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become so disgusted by the behaviour of ISIS that they turn against them.

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There is a genuinely popular uprising. That is not going to sort

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out the regional problem of which this may just be the start of. Our

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politicians out of touch with public opinion on immigration? According to

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the British Social Attitudes survey, almost half the population now

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believes that a decade of mass migration has not only harm to the

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economy, undermined British culture, and that the persistent public

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anxiety over immigrant numbers is something the main political parties

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ignore at their peril. Well, we have got the man who until a few months

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ago was immigration minister, Mark Harper. We will talk to him in a

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moment, but here is what Penny Young of the National Centre for social

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research, who produced this survey, told me yesterday. It is a mixed

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picture. On research, who produced this survey,

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told me yesterday. It is some things, attitudes to immigration are

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much harder. People are much less relaxed about migrants having the

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same legal rights as settled residents. Nevertheless, these

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figures obscure a lot of differences within the publishing. One of the

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most striking views is that if you have got a degree, you are very

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positive about the impact of immigration on the economy and the

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cultural life of the population. Everybody else sees a negative

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effect. So there are two sections within the British public with very

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different views. Mark Harper, why are you failing to

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hit your immigration target? It is very simple. Non-EU immigration, we

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are on track and have made considerable progress. To be honest,

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the surprise was that the EU numbers went up, and not from some of the

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Eastern European countries that people were concerned about, but

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from the traditional European countries like Spain, Portugal and

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France. And a lot of that is driven by the economic performance. We have

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been frank about it. We do have to look at the rules about free move it

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and when people can claim benefits when they come here. That will be

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part of our renegotiation of our terms of membership, which we will

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put the people in 2017. What bit of mass unemployment in the Eurozone

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did you not know about when you came up with these targets? When the

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target was set, I was not in the team. My understanding was that the

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numbers were broadly in balance so that the bulk of net migration to

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Britain in the past had been from outside the EU. But it was clear

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that the Eurozone was in crisis. That was why you formed a coalition

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government. It was clear that there was substantial unemployment across

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the Eurozone. There was also free movement coming in from Eastern

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Europe. You knew the situation. It can't have been a surprise to you

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that a lot of Europeans would want to come to Britain, and yet you went

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ahead and gave us a target that you are now telling us you knew you

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could not meet. I am not saying that.

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are now telling us you knew you could not meet. I am not saying The

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important thing from that survey is that people do still want

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immigration reduced. But you failed. We need to deal with the EU part of

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the picture. We have dealt with the non-EU part. We have made a dramatic

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impact on where new jobs are going. Since the election, three quarters

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of all those new jobs are now going to British citizens. In the five

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years running up to the crash, less than 10% off new jobs being created

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went to British citizens. That is behind some of the concerns in that

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survey. We both think the jobs being created are not benefiting British

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citizens. You promised that immigration would be below 100,000.

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The latest figures we have are over double that. Is 212,002 much? The

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target is in tatters. They have failed. Is it too much? Didn't agree

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with having a target in the first place. We have said from our time in

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office that we got something is wrong on immigration. But with

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respect, I am not asking about that. I am asking, is 212,000 net

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migration to much? We would not have chosen a net migration target. But

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is it too much? Or is it too few? It is the government's target, it is

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not a target we would have chosen. Forget it as a target. Assume the

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target does not exist. Just answer a simple question. Is a net increase

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of 212,000 people coming here too much or too little? I don't think

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you can say it is too much or too little. It depends on the needs of

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the country. I can say it is too high. You can become a slave to

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figures that you choose, as the current government have. They failed

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to meet the target they set themselves, but they also failed to

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deal with illegal immigration. There are less checks at orders now they

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are not getting rid of foreign criminals. We also did things wrong

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when we were in office. I want to acknowledge that. But you still

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can't give me an idea of numbers. People's concerns about this relate

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to the impact on their own lives. People are concerned about numbers.

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That came out in the British Social Attitudes study. And you can't give

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them a number. People are concerned about the impact of those coming in

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on their communities. I got this on the doorstep when I knocked on

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doors. The reality is that people are particularly interested in the

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impact this has on their lives and the potential job chances of their

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children and local services. If you get those issues right, the concern

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abates. I put it to you that your failure to get anywhere near a

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target that you said you would reach is just another reason why the

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British people don't trust you on this. I have been straightforward

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about the bit we have hit, which is non-EU migration, and I have in

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frank about the area where we haven't and I have said what we need

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to do about it. We have passed on immigration act which will lead to

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tightening up the rules on people who are in Britain who should not

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be, people who have overstayed their welcome. It is easier to get rid of

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foreign criminals. That only matters at the margins. That will not make a

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huge difference to the numbers. The stuff about making it more difficult

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to Britain will, because if you are here illegally, we can remove you.

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You will not be able to get somewhere to live. How could you be

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here illegally if you are an EU citizen? For EU citizens, you have

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to have a job or be self-sufficient or be a student. There are people

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who are causing problems, for example by begging. We can remove

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them. People are concerned about the restrictions on Chinese coming in.

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Visitors, yes. There is also discussion within government about

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the quality of people coming over. What would the figure be that would

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be enough to fill the industries unit, and not the people you don't

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want? The point on the Chinese issue is confusing. We also mentioned

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people speaking English. One of the big changes we have made is that you

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can't now come to Britain from outside the EU unless you can speak

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English. But you can stop a Polish person -- you can't stop a Polish

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person coming in. Your constant mea culpas, but inability to give us any

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numbers or any idea of what you think the scale of immigration

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should be is why people do not trust you either. I think people are

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concerned about the impact on their communities and life chances of

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immigration. They think they are not allowed to talk about it. You

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encourage them not to. We made mistakes in office. That is why we

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have to encourage these debates. If I say to people, we are going to

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stop agencies recruiting abroad, we are going to improve the enforcement

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of the national minimum wage, will make sure that businesses who

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recruit abroad because they need a skilled person that they can only

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get from abroad also has two other apprenticeships at home... It

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depends on the economic circumstances of the time. What

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matters to people is the impact this has in their communities. Do all

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Labour politicians think they should apologise for what happened in terms

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of numbers? Quite a few politicians like Tessa Jowell have said there

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was nothing to apologise for, and that it led to economic both. So

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Labour are not quite unified. People have different views within parties

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and across parties about these issues, but Ed Miliband has been

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clear. We have accepted that we made some mistakes, we need to go

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forward, realising that what matters is putting right the abuses that

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result from people coming into the country and in act that has in local

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communities on housing, services and jobs.

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Now, the Chinese premier, Li Keqiang, continues his visit to

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Britain today. Yesterday, he indicated that he was prepared to

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pony up some Chinese dosh on HS2 and nuclear power stations? What did he

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get in return? A signed copy of a script for Downton Abbey and a

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take a look at Big Ben. It is a Wednesday, which can mean only one

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thing, Prime Minister's Questions is on its way. If you would like to

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comment on proceedings, try to be polite! You can e-mail us at

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[email protected] We will read your comments out after PMQs. And when he

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is not busy to be with us, Nick Robinson is here. Thought I would

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pop in. I see dark clouds behind Big Ben. I have just come from

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Liverpool. The sun was beautiful and shining this morning. The Lib Dems

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are talking about a referendum? The Times have a story considering that

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they are shifting -- considering Times have a story considering that

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shifting their position. Lots of cold water is being poured on this

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from the Lib Dem cold water is being poured on this

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senior Liberal Democrat I spoke to said this is not likely. That is a

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way of saying that the story is right that they are thinking about

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it. But they would only want to do it in return for a big offer from

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the Conservatives. If we give you a backing in the House of Commons,

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what do we get act? The dark cloud you referred to when you were in

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Brussels last week was of course Iraq, each bizarrely did not come up

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at all at Prime Minister 's questions. It is not as if it is a

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place we have invaded. Oh, no, we did. Twice. Surely it will come up

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this week, because it would look surreal if this event can go on for

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half an hour each week and a nor the important issues of the day. It was

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remarkable that it did not come up, but maybe it did not come up last

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time because British politicians have little useful to say about it.

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They are also scared about talking about it.

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They are also scared about talking Tony Blair's comment. There is a

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great desire to say Blair is a fool. But engaging with the argument

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that was raised, that was something that very few wanted to do. Douglas

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Alexander for Labour has walked the Blair tightrope rather elegantly

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earlier in the week, saying that while it was absurd to claim that

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the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with the problem now, allegedly

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Tony Blair's view, it was equally absurd to say it was only the doom

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with what happened 11 years ago. Let's find out.

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I spoke yesterday to my constituent, who was anxious because Hassan's

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passport had not arrived on time. Given the dreadful level of service

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she described she was shocked to find the passport agency returned a

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surplus of ?73 million. What does it say about the values of this

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Government that the Chancellor is making a profit over one of my

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constituent's misery? What I would say to any constituent of any MP in

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this house, because it is an important issue, is that anyone who

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needs to travel within the next week and who has waited more than three

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weeks will be fast tracked for no extra cost so they can get their

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passport in time. I do not want anyone to miss their holiday because

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of these difficulties. We have seen a 15% increase over the last week in

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the number of passports being processed, but we need to go faster

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and we need to hire more people. Is the Prime Minister aware of the

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growing sentiment that as the publication of the Chilcott report

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has been so long delayed the ancient but still existing power of

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backbenchers to commence the procedures of impeachment should now

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be activated to bring Mr Tony Blair to account for allegedly misleading

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the house on the necessity of the invasion of Iraq in 2003? I would

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say to my right honourable friend it is important we see the results of

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the Iraq enquiry. It has had access to all of the papers, officials and

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ministers. Frankly, if the Iraq enquiry had started when this party

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and when the Liberal Democrats had suggested, then we would have seen

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the Iraq inquiry published by now. But members opposite, including the

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leader of the opposition, voted against starting the Iraqi enquiry

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on no fewer than four occasions. Mr Speaker, all of us will have been

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appalled by the images of the brutal aggression of crisis that has spread

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across Iraq, terrorising its citizens and undermining its fragile

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democracy. Iraq is facing fundamental threats to its integrity

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and stability. Can the Prime Minister provide the house with the

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latest assessment of the situation in Iraq. And following the

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appearance yesterday of the president Al-Maliki, can he say what

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more he believes can be done to encourage a more inclusive and

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representative Government which is essential for the future of Iraq?

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The leader of the opposition is right is that one of the things that

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needs to happen is the Iraqi Government to take a more inclusive

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approach. I can tell the house the latest reports indicate fighting is

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continuing on one front and the oil refinery is currently under attack

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by ISIS. There is a large-scale recruitment not only of Shia

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militias, but also other young recruits to the Iraqi armed forces

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and it is vital that precedes and that ISIS is pushed back by the

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Iraqis. But the key thing to recognise is when you get this

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combination of poor governance of ungoverned spaces and support for

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extremism, that provides an opportunity for terrorists and we

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have to address this on each of those three France, supporting the

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Iraqi Government. This crisis is not just affecting Iraq, but has

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consequences for the whole world. Can he tell us the extra measures

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the Government is contemplating to ensure British nationals in the

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region cannot return here and engage in violent extremism or terrorism?

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Can he say what the Government is doing to prevent people in this

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country becoming radicalised and travelling to the region to fight?

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Our approach to this issue must be based on a hard-headed assessment of

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our national interest and most important is how to keep our

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citizens safe at home. The leader of the opposition asked about the

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actions we are taking, and we will be legislating in this Parliament to

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make the planning of terrorist attacks overseas illegal in the UK.

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We will make sure our policing and intelligence resources are focused

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on this part of the world and the danger of British people travelling

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there and becoming radicalised and returning to the UK. We have taken

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away passports, using the new powers we legislated for in the last

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Parliament and we will continue to do everything we can to keep our

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country safe. I want to talk about Iran and its role in this crisis. We

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support the announcement made yesterday by the Foreign Secretary

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to reopen the British embassy in Iran and the dialogue started by the

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Foreign Secretary, but the challenge we face in Iraq is although Iran

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opposes ISIS, the Iranian regime in the past has shown it does not

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support a vision for an inclusive and democratic state in Iraq. Can he

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give this house the current assessment of the willingness and

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intent of the Iranian regime to plate can -- to play a constructive

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role? First of all, it is important to re-engage with dialogue with Iran

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and that is why we are planning to reopen the embassy. It should be

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done on a step-by-step basis. It should be done with a very clear eye

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and a very hard-headed because we know of the appalling things that

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happened to our embassy in 2011. Two people who say there is

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inconsistency having dialogue with Iran and at the same time

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recognising how much they have done to destabilise the region, I would

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say we need to take a consistent approach with all the players in

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this region. We support the voices of moderation, the voices that

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support democracy under the rule of law. We need the Iranian Government

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to play that role as well as everyone else. The broader context

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is the wider Sunni and Shi'ite schism across the region. Does he

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agree it is not just Iran but other significant countries across the

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region that have a huge responsibility not to take steps

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that will further fuel the sectarian conflict? That includes support for

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extremist groups. Will the Prime Minister make clear in his

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conversations with all parties it will fuel the conflict. Whatever we

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are looking to do, whether it is to support the voices of moderation and

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democracy in Syria, whether it is trying to help the Iraqi Government

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closed down this ungoverned space in Iraq, or the conversations we have

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with other regional players, it is important we are consistent with

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that engagement and we oppose extremism, terrorism and violence.

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When it comes to the support we have given to rebels in Syria that we let

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through the official Syrian opposition who are committed to

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those things and not extremism and terrorism and our engagement with

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the Saudi Arabians, with Qatar and the Emirates and others is all on

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the basis that none of us should be supporting those terrorists are

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extremists. I want to ask about the humanitarian situation. We have

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British allies in the region, such as Jordan, who are already dealing

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with a huge refugee crisis. Britain is doing a good job of providing

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humanitarian support for those in refugee camps. But there are more

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refugees outside the camps and inside the camps. What further

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practical measures does the Prime Minister believe we can take to

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support companies like Jordan and Lebanon? We remain when it comes to

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Syria, the Syrian refugee situation, we remained the second

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largest bilateral aid donor anywhere in the world. We are providing

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shelter, food, clothing and support for the millions of people who have

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been made homeless. When it comes to supporting neighbouring countries,

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we have given direct help to Jordan. The increase of the population in

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Jordan and Lebanon is equivalent to almost 15 million people coming to

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the UK. In terms of the Iraq humanitarian situation where there

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is an emerging problem because of people being displaced because of

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the ISIS, murderous regime, we have already announced ?3 million of

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humanitarian aid to people displaced in that region and we will be

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increasing that two ?5 million. Britain will be playing its role for

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those, through no fault of their own, have been displaced by

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conflict. I hope he will continue to look at what more can be done to

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those outside the refugee camps. Everything we are seeing across this

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region begs a fundamental question about whether it can develop a

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politics where people live alongside each other as citizens rather than

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dividing along ethnic or religious lines. Does he agree that while we

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can and should provide assistance to make that happen, in the end it is

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about the political will of those in the region that will determine

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whether this happens or not? I agree, it would be a mistake to

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believe the only answer to these problems is the hard attack of

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direct intervention. We know that can create problems in itself. But I

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also disagree with those who think it is nothing to do with us and if

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they want to have some sort of extreme Islamist regime in the

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middle of Iraq it will not affect will. The people in that regime are

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also planning to attack us here at home in the UK. The right answer is

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to be long-term hard-headed, patient and intelligent with our

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interventions. The most important intervention is to make sure these

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governments are fully representative of the people who live in their

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countries and they close down the ungoverned space and they removed

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the support for the extremists. We have to help in Iraq, Somalia,

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Nigeria and Mali because these problems will come back and hit us

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at home if we do not. This week, construction begins on Watford's

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University technical college sponsored by an education trust.

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Students will receive first-class academic education and real

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preparation for real jobs in the real world. Would the Prime Minister

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in courage and young people in Watford to explore the opportunities

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that this wonderful new school will offer? I know we are doing all we

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can to help get the Watford University technical college ready

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in September so students can start to benefit. Having visited these

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technical colleges in Harlow and Staffordshire, I think they

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represent filling in one of the missing links in our education

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system that was left after the Second World War where we helped the

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Germans establish good technical schools, but did not put them in

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place in the United Kingdom. I am very proud to be leading a

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Government that is putting that right. Three large GP practices in

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the most deprived areas of north-east Yorkshire are facing

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crisis. In England we are at least 10,000 GPs short. Labour is

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promising a maximum 48 hour wait to see a GP. What is he promising?

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First of all, in order to provide more GPs, we need to provide money

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and this Government has increased spending on the NHS when we were

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told by the party opposite it was irresponsible. We have 7000 more

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doctors, more nurses and more midwives, but 19,000 fewer

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bureaucrats. It is vital in providing the health services that

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we need. Will he welcomed the happy news that the river we are in the

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midst of a volunteering week of action renovating a park closed in

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2009, but now reopening thanks to the determination of local

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residents. Will he welcomed all the jobs, community spirit and real ale

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that will bring? I am delighted to welcome the real ale and recommend

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they take advantage of the 1p cut not just in this budget, but in the

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previous budget. I know people in Avonmouth have suffered from air

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pollution and I am happy to discuss that with her. We are seeing a

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growth in terms of community pubs and that is all to do good. We

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introduced the community right to bid that has enabled a number of

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communities to take hold of these facilities. In its recent report the

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sea QC praised the start of the hospital in Woolwich for being kind

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and respectful. Does the Prime Minister remember that one year ago

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before being stopped by judicial review his Government were proposing

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to close the A department in the neighbouring Lewisham Hospital which

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would have added massively to the pressures on the already

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overstretched Queen Elizabeth? The most important thing with our health

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services to raise good service when we see it, but to recognise that

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when you see poor service, we see it, but to recognise that

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when you see it has to be turned around. We are clear about the

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turnaround work being done in many of our hospitals that were left for

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year after year under Labour. But the House might be interested to

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know that the average amount of time you wake in A was 77 minutes when

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Labour were in power. It is now 30 minutes under this government. Can

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the Prime Minister advise my constituents what action the

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government is taking to ensure that areas of regeneration such as

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Colindale in my constituency received the necessary public

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service infrastructure to support the increasing population? My

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honourable friend makes an important point.

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honourable friend makes an important bonus have helped to make sure the

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local authorities can put bonus have helped to make sure the

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infrastructure. We have strengthened new planning guidance to ensure that

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infrastructure is provided support new developments. As a result of the

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recent award of the Thameslink franchise, there will be new rolling

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stock on the line. By the end of 2018, there will be over 3000 more

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seats on trains running through Hendon at peak times, it I hope is

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welcome to his constituents. What does the Prime Minister believed the

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underlying causes for the ?2 billion deficit forecast for the English

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National Health Service trust for next year, and what are his

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remedies? The estimates being made today are being made on the basis

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that we have set challenges for the NHS in terms of making efficiencies?

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After four years in government, they have met those in efficiency

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challenges every year under this government. And that money has been

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ploughed back into better patient care in our NHS. The question for

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the NHS in British politics today, I would argue, is, why is it in Wales,

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where Labour are under control, where 8% cuts have remade in the NHS

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budget? They might be yawning opposite, blog but they are not

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yawning in Wales, because they are stuck on waiting lists, desperate

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for treatment. Will my right honourable friend join me in

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congratulating the England women's football team? They have had success

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in the World Cup qualifiers. On and off the pitch, women are delivering

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for England, with more women in employment, more women setting up

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businesses. So will the Prime Minister confirmed that in our

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long-term economic plan, we will ensure that women can continue to

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score the goals for the UK economy and that no one is left behind? I am

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happy to join my honourable friend. As a keen fan of not just the

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England football team, but also the England cricket team, I have the

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pleasure of having representatives of the England women's football and

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cricket team in Downing Street recently. I said they seemed to put

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us through considerably less heartache, stress and worry when

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qualifying for these major competitions, and indeed in the

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cricket team's case, when they are winning the Ashes. There is good

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news to celebrate, which is that e-mail employment is at a record

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high in our country. There are nearly 7000 more women at work --

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female employment. We are seeing more female staff in businesses. We

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are making sure it is fairer for women in terms of pensions. We have

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a good record, but there is more to be done. Exactly 20 years ago to the

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day, gunmen went into a pub in my constituency and killed six men.

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Amid widespread claims about pollution and police cover-up. The

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families have never received truth and justice. Only two weeks ago, the

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police ensured that the police ombudsman's investigation was

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stalled. Does the Prime Minister agree with me that all UK police

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services must cooperate fully with their oversight authorities, both to

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the letter and in spirit, to ensure that families that I represent

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received truth and justice? I agree with the honourable lady that

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everyone should cooperate with the police ombudsman. I believe the

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police ombudsman system in Northern Ireland is now a model that other

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countries are looking to follow. It was something I discussed recently

:50:32.:50:34.

with the Taoiseach in terms of what happens in the Republic of Ireland.

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We have a system there that works. We have enquiry teams which are also

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working, but I hope the work can continue between the parties in

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Northern Ireland to discuss the ideas for flights parades and the

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past. I hope everyone can come together and sort these issues out

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-- flied parades. In Jillings and rain, youth unemployment is down,

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unemployment overall is down, business creation is up. Does the

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Prime Minister not agree that this shows that our long-term economic

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plan is working? And will he join with me in welcoming the new

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creation of a university technical college in Medway, which will ensure

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that our future generations have the right skills to succeed in life? I

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am delighted to say to the honourable gentleman that it is

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welcome that youth unemployment, which has been too high for too long

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in our country, is down by 25% this year in his constituency, and

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long-term youth Honor Blackman is down 41%. He makes the point about

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-- used term unemployment is down. I want to see a technical college in

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every town so that we give young people the opportunity of a good

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technical education if that is what they choose. And those schools must

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be well funded, well resourced and also partnered with organisations

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that can bring their expertise to bear. How is his campaign going to

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stop Mr Juncker? It is a simple issue of principle. Much more

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connected to the principle than the name. The principle is this, and I

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think it will be shared on every side of the house. The members of

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the European Council, who are the elected Prime Minister 's and

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presidents, under the treaties, we should choose who runs the European

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Commission. I don't mind how many people on the European Council

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disagree with me, I will fight this to the very end. And what I would

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say to my colleagues on the European Council, many of whom have expressed

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interest in views about both this principle and this person, if you

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want reform in Europe, you have got to stand up for it. If you want

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change in Europe, you have got to vote for it. That is the message I

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will take, and that is the right message for our country. Last year,

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a Cabinet Office minister said relocation of staff out of expensive

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London offices to other regions continues to be high on the agenda

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to deliver the savings needed. Will the Prime Minister look to move some

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of those jobs to Redcar in Cleveland, where we have low-cost

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offices, affordable housing, school places, people ready to work and a

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great lifestyle? My honourable friend makes an important point

:53:40.:53:43.

about the relocation of jobs. Of course, we want to see that develop.

:53:44.:53:48.

I know it was disappointing about the changes to the insolvency

:53:49.:53:51.

service in Stockton last year. One of the reasons that happened was

:53:52.:53:57.

there has been such a sharp fall in bankruptcy and company closures,

:53:58.:54:01.

which is a welcome development. Overall, employment is rising in the

:54:02.:54:06.

north-east. It rose by 47,000 last year, but we have to make sure we

:54:07.:54:10.

generate not just by that sector jobs, but where we can, locate a big

:54:11.:54:14.

sector job different parts of the country. We continue with that

:54:15.:54:20.

programme. How many people from this country are fighting for ISIS, and

:54:21.:54:25.

what risks do they pose to the UK? The estimates that have been given

:54:26.:54:30.

so far are that around 400 people from the UK have taken part in

:54:31.:54:36.

fighting with ISIS, but those numbers are based around what is

:54:37.:54:40.

happening in Syria rather than what is happening in Iraq, where we have

:54:41.:54:46.

considerably less information. Together with the Home Secretary and

:54:47.:54:50.

others, I have turned meetings in Whitehall to make sure our

:54:51.:54:54.

intelligence, security and policing services are focused as sharply as

:54:55.:54:57.

they can on to this Robben. The estimates are now -- this problem is

:54:58.:55:03.

a greater threat to the UK than the return of jihadis from the

:55:04.:55:08.

Afghanistan or Pakistan region. We need to do everything we can to keep

:55:09.:55:13.

our country safe. What it is good news that the budget deficit has

:55:14.:55:17.

been cut by a third, there is still much more to do. One way of helping

:55:18.:55:22.

our country live within its means is to send back all the convicted

:55:23.:55:27.

criminals who are foreign nationals and who are costing British

:55:28.:55:31.

taxpayers millions of pounds each year to keep in our prisons. All too

:55:32.:55:32.

often, attempts to send year to keep in our prisons. All too

:55:33.:55:38.

criminals ask the blood by human rights legislation. -- the attempts

:55:39.:55:43.

are scuppered by human rights legislation. What plans does the

:55:44.:55:46.

Prime Minister have put an end to this ludicrous state of affairs? I

:55:47.:55:52.

agree that we need to do more on this front. We have removed around

:55:53.:55:57.

20,000 foreign national offenders since this government came to

:55:58.:56:00.

office, but the number is built to high. I have a lot of individual

:56:01.:56:05.

ministers to individual territories, particularly those with the highest

:56:06.:56:07.

number of foreign offenders, countries like Nigeria, Jamaica,

:56:08.:56:12.

Vietnam, China, to make sure we make progress on returning these

:56:13.:56:16.

prisoners. We also need to use the prisoner transfer agreement within

:56:17.:56:21.

the European Union, because that could lead to a large number of

:56:22.:56:28.

prisoners being returned to Poland. If we get a Conservative government

:56:29.:56:31.

after the next election, we will have a substantive reform to the

:56:32.:56:35.

Human Rights Act, which is not working properly for Britain. Last

:56:36.:56:41.

month, the National Health Service missed its cancer treatment target

:56:42.:56:44.

for the very first time. What does the Prime Minister have to say to

:56:45.:56:49.

patients and their families who have had to put their lives on hold,

:56:50.:56:53.

waiting for vital treatment to start? There is not a family in this

:56:54.:56:59.

country that is not affected by cancer and the difficulties of

:57:00.:57:02.

making sure you get the treatment you need as fast as you can. We have

:57:03.:57:06.

a series of targets for cancer treatment, and we are meeting almost

:57:07.:57:10.

all of them. We have seen an increase of around 15% in terms of

:57:11.:57:14.

the number of people being treated for cancer. And we have introduced

:57:15.:57:18.

that never existed the previous government, the Cancer Drugs Fund.

:57:19.:57:25.

She will know people in her constituency, just as I know people

:57:26.:57:29.

in my constituency who are getting medicines that they need that they

:57:30.:57:35.

never got before. The Prime Minister will know that the economic recovery

:57:36.:57:38.

in Essex has been led by the private sector, with Essex firms creating

:57:39.:57:42.

thousands of new jobs and exporting across the globe. Will he come and

:57:43.:57:46.

Essex businesses and support their efforts to export more by looking

:57:47.:57:50.

favourably upon our plans to upgrade our interest, both our road and rail

:57:51.:57:57.

network across Essex? As I have said before, where Essex leads, the rest

:57:58.:58:01.

of the country follows. In terms of economic recovery, private sector

:58:02.:58:05.

growth, entrepreneurialism, employing more people, that is what

:58:06.:58:10.

the economy needs. That is what our economic plan is delivering. Last

:58:11.:58:13.

week, we saw that record in crease in employment. This week, we saw

:58:14.:58:19.

inflation fall to a five-year low. I had successful meetings yesterday

:58:20.:58:23.

with the Chinese premier, fanning ?14 billion worth of important deals

:58:24.:58:26.

that will bring jobs, growth and investment to this country. We have

:58:27.:58:30.

to keep working on every aspect of our plan, including exports. The

:58:31.:58:37.

former Prime Minister Sir John Major made a strong case for looking at

:58:38.:58:43.

our constitutional arrangements, whatever the outcome in September in

:58:44.:58:47.

Scotland. Will he accept that devolution in England outside London

:58:48.:58:54.

is very much unfinished business? If our great cities like Birmingham

:58:55.:58:57.

want to remain economic engines, they require radically reformed

:58:58.:59:01.

funding structures and our regions require strategically elected direct

:59:02.:59:05.

mayors. As the honourable lady knows, I am a fan of directly

:59:06.:59:11.

elected mayors, but the people of Birmingham had their chance to make

:59:12.:59:14.

that decision and they voted not to have one. I hope people will see

:59:15.:59:20.

successful mayors in London, Liverpool, Bristol and other parts

:59:21.:59:23.

of the country, and they will see that there are benefits from that.

:59:24.:59:27.

But I agree with her that even if we don't move to a mayoral system,

:59:28.:59:30.

there is more we can do through city deals, local enterprise

:59:31.:59:34.

partnerships, devolving some of the funding in Whitehall further down

:59:35.:59:41.

towards cities and regions. What is welcome is the fact that her party

:59:42.:59:46.

has not decided to tear up local enterprise partnerships in its party

:59:47.:59:50.

review. It is good that we have cross-party agreement on how to

:59:51.:59:55.

drive devolution to our great cities around the country. On behalf of my

:59:56.:00:04.

burnt wood constituents, may I thank the Prime Minister for his swift and

:00:05.:00:09.

effective action in giving a posthumous honour to my constituent

:00:10.:00:15.

Stephen Sutton? But with the economic plan now working well, how

:00:16.:00:20.

can we build on that, and how can we build on the legacy that Stephen

:00:21.:00:25.

Sutton set for giving to charitable purposes? Stephen Sutton was an

:00:26.:00:32.

inspiring individual. His zest for life, even as he was suffering from

:00:33.:00:36.

a difficult and progressive cancer, was extraordinary. He raised the

:00:37.:00:40.

huge amount of money for Teenage Cancer Trust and raised it around

:00:41.:00:46.

the world as well as in the UK. It is right that our honours system

:00:47.:00:50.

happily rewards people that give to charity, that give of their time

:00:51.:00:56.

from the bottom to the top. There is probably more we can do to make sure

:00:57.:01:00.

that our honours dust reflects what the British public want, which is to

:01:01.:01:04.

say giving and generosity and compassion rewarded. The Prime

:01:05.:01:09.

Minister may recollect that a few months ago, at Prime Minister's

:01:10.:01:14.

Questions, I asked him to meet the victims of a drug. There are over 50

:01:15.:01:18.

of them coming to Parliament today. I would ask if he would see them,

:01:19.:01:21.

look at the document we have produced to show that the committee

:01:22.:01:26.

of medicine in new about the fact that this drug was causing

:01:27.:01:28.

deformities in babies, and nothing was done about it. I would ask him

:01:29.:01:34.

to then consider a public enquiry. I do not think I will be able, I'm

:01:35.:01:40.

afraid, today, to see the people she's bringing to the House of

:01:41.:01:42.

Commons. I'm happy to another conversation with her about what can

:01:43.:01:46.

be done and to understand about what more can be communicated to these

:01:47.:01:54.

people. In welcoming the Chinese premier, Mr Lee, to this country,

:01:55.:01:59.

and in recognising that China is one of the greatest export markets for

:02:00.:02:03.

Britain, can ask the Prime Minister to use his good offices to unblock

:02:04.:02:08.

the barrier to the export of pigs' feat for human consumption, which

:02:09.:02:13.

will bring thousands of pounds -- pigs' feet? I will certainly take up

:02:14.:02:20.

my honourable friend on that issue. I recall on a previous visit to

:02:21.:02:27.

China, we unlocked the export of big as' seem to China, so we made

:02:28.:02:37.

progress -- pigs' seaman. So I will look carefully at pig feet, and if

:02:38.:02:41.

exports can be allowed and jobs can be promoted, I would be happy to

:02:42.:02:47.

help. Notwithstanding the serious problems as well, does the Prime

:02:48.:02:53.

Minister share my concern about the crisis in South Sudan, where 4

:02:54.:03:00.

million people are facing famine? What steps are being taken to

:03:01.:03:08.

implement the peace process? I was discussing this issue yesterday with

:03:09.:03:10.

the Archbishop of Canterbury, who very bravely had been with local

:03:11.:03:16.

church leaders to a town which had been subject to some of the most

:03:17.:03:20.

serious fighting. It is a very different part of the world to what

:03:21.:03:23.

we were discussing earlier, but some of the same rules apply. We need a

:03:24.:03:26.

government that governs on behalf of all the people in that country, and

:03:27.:03:31.

does not try to divide the country along ethnic lines. We will do what

:03:32.:03:38.

we can, and when we talk about intervention in this country, it is

:03:39.:03:41.

intervention through diplomacy, aid, assistance and advice, and we will

:03:42.:03:52.

continue with that. Is my right honourable friend aware that at the

:03:53.:03:59.

conference this weekend in Athens of the national chairman of the select

:04:00.:04:04.

committees, with delegates from all parties, but also chairman of the

:04:05.:04:09.

European Parliamentary committees as well, the British delegation

:04:10.:04:16.

defeated an attempt to treat the word euro scepticism as equivalent

:04:17.:04:20.

to xenophobia and racism? And furthermore, that on the question of

:04:21.:04:28.

the procedure, the unprecedented procedure relating to the proposed

:04:29.:04:33.

appointment or election of Mr Juncker, the conference also agreed

:04:34.:04:42.

with the British delegation that this was an unprecedented and

:04:43.:04:44.

unacceptable and unsuccessful procedure? No surprises that my

:04:45.:04:51.

honourable friend was successful in this negotiation on behalf of

:04:52.:04:56.

Britain. There is support right around Europe for the concept of the

:04:57.:05:00.

Council of ministers making these choices. But as I say, it requires

:05:01.:05:04.

the elected by ministers and presidents to vote in the way they

:05:05.:05:10.

believe. We have been slightly delayed, but there are

:05:11.:05:14.

accommodations I want to make. On the Prime Minister's watch, five

:05:15.:05:17.

GPs' surgeries face closure in my bar and 98 nationally. Is this what

:05:18.:05:21.

the Prime Minister meant when he promised to protect the NHS? When I

:05:22.:05:27.

said we would protect the NHS, I meant just that. We are spending

:05:28.:05:32.

?12.7 billion more on the NHS, which Labour said was responsible for what

:05:33.:05:37.

we have 7000 more doctors in our NHS by 3000 more nurses, over 1000 more

:05:38.:05:43.

midwives in our NHS. But there is something we have less of. We have

:05:44.:05:48.

19,000 fewer bureaucrats, and that money has been piled into patient

:05:49.:05:52.

care, including improving primary care around the country. The people

:05:53.:06:04.

of Newark have enjoyed becoming better acquainted with the Prime

:06:05.:06:07.

Minister this past month. I regret to inform the Prime Minister that

:06:08.:06:12.

the town of South well in my constituency was again flooded last

:06:13.:06:15.

week. Would the Prime Minister reaffirm his commitment to support

:06:16.:06:21.

my proposal that those parts of Nottinghamshire that was severely

:06:22.:06:24.

affected by the floods of 2013 received similar grants to those

:06:25.:06:28.

parts elsewhere in the country flooded at the beginning of this

:06:29.:06:33.

year? Firstly, I welcome my honourable friend to his place in

:06:34.:06:39.

the House of Commons after a long, arduous but well fought and positive

:06:40.:06:42.

by-election campaign. My honourable friend makes an important point.

:06:43.:06:47.

There are parts of the country in Nottinghamshire, but also elsewhere

:06:48.:06:50.

that flooded during the course of 2013. They were not eligible for

:06:51.:06:57.

some of the payments that were made subsequent to the flooding, support

:06:58.:07:03.

for householders, farmers under the proposals. We are looking at whether

:07:04.:07:08.

we can put back to the beginning of the 2013 financial year the

:07:09.:07:10.

eligibility criteria for that flood work. I will look at it carefully

:07:11.:07:16.

and talk with my right honourable friend the Secretary of State for

:07:17.:07:18.

local government and communities, and see if we can resolve this issue

:07:19.:07:21.

for my honourable friend. which is a bit longer than normal.

:07:22.:07:43.

While it was taking place, there have been two developments in Iraq.

:07:44.:07:48.

The country's biggest oil refinery to the north-west of Baghdad is now

:07:49.:07:50.

in flames. The country's biggest oil refinery

:07:51.:07:53.

to the The militant tried to take it, they got part of it, Iraqi army

:07:54.:07:59.

helicopters have fought back. It looks like they have reclaim it, but

:08:00.:08:03.

it is at a cost of a huge part of the oil refinery. Secondly, the

:08:04.:08:11.

battle of Baghdad has not yet begun. But the battle of the Cooper is well

:08:12.:08:17.

underway, 40 miles to the north. The militants have taken huge chunks of

:08:18.:08:24.

that town and we understand the battle is raging there. If the

:08:25.:08:28.

militants take that town, the future of Baghdad could be next in line.

:08:29.:08:35.

Unlike last week when it didn't get a mention at all, the events in Iraq

:08:36.:08:40.

dominated the exchanges between the two frontbenchers. There is a

:08:41.:08:45.

bipartisan approach on this. The exchanges covered what the latest

:08:46.:08:50.

assessment was. The leader of the house went on to ask about what was

:08:51.:08:54.

happening to any British national fighting there and what we were

:08:55.:08:58.

going to do about that. It then came on to Iran in its role and the work

:08:59.:09:06.

Britain was doing to bring humanitarian aid to that troubled

:09:07.:09:10.

part of the world. Let's hear what you made of it all.

:09:11.:09:16.

Lots of response to the situation. Helen Manning says, hearing all the

:09:17.:09:22.

useless rhetoric about Iraq and Iran from Ed Miliband and David leaves me

:09:23.:09:29.

cold. From Tim, why doesn't the Government explain how we are

:09:30.:09:34.

threatened by the conflict? Paula Hendry said, the discussion across

:09:35.:09:39.

the dispatch box was refreshing. Both Mr Cameron and Mr Miliband had

:09:40.:09:44.

an adult interaction. This from Alec Aitken, I want all of the youths who

:09:45.:09:51.

have travelled to Syria, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and to wait

:09:52.:10:04.

red flagged and anyone fighting in these countries should be exiled.

:10:05.:10:08.

Peter Clatworthy says the fact of the matter is if these sets want to

:10:09.:10:14.

redraw the boundaries in the Middle East and want to massacre each other

:10:15.:10:18.

in the process, there is nothing we can do about it, except at the level

:10:19.:10:24.

of the United Nations. There was a related question from the father of

:10:25.:10:30.

the house fairly early on which was about enacting powers of

:10:31.:10:34.

impeachment, not something you hear about very often. It is true the

:10:35.:10:39.

house still has those existing privileges of impeachment because

:10:40.:10:42.

they have to be formally abandoned for them to be obsolete. That would

:10:43.:10:48.

require legislation and no legislation has been introduced.

:10:49.:10:50.

Adam Price, legislation has been introduced.

:10:51.:10:50.

Adam a former MP, and ten other MPs Adam a former MP, and ten other

:10:51.:10:56.

including Alex Salmond, Boris Johnson and Nigel Evans declared an

:10:57.:10:59.

intention to table a motion calling for an impeachment of Tony Blair

:11:00.:11:05.

regarding the invasion of Iraq. It was tabled by Parliamentary

:11:06.:11:10.

authorities in November, 2004, but in the end was not debated in that

:11:11.:11:15.

session because the motion did not have precedence in terms of business

:11:16.:11:18.

of the house. It would be unlikely that Peter Tapsell would have any

:11:19.:11:23.

influence in terms of enacting the powers now, but they are there. The

:11:24.:11:31.

last case was in a team of six. American powers were derived from

:11:32.:11:38.

those powers. It was 1806. That is impressive. Other than that of the

:11:39.:11:47.

two frontbenchers can gather round some generalised statements, what

:11:48.:11:52.

did we learn today? We did not learn a great deal. There was what people

:11:53.:11:58.

may regard as a grown-up exchange of views on Iraq, but it highlighted

:11:59.:12:03.

that Britain's Road is pretty marginal. Ed Miliband's last

:12:04.:12:07.

question sound that up and he would say no bad thing. It is up to the

:12:08.:12:14.

people in the region to find a solution. That was in contrast to

:12:15.:12:20.

Peter Tapsell and the impeachment of Tony Blair. But we know the

:12:21.:12:24.

Americans are considering military action, but there was no mention of

:12:25.:12:26.

military action and whether we should block it or participate in

:12:27.:12:33.

it. There was talk about diplomacy and humanitarian aid which could be

:12:34.:12:40.

given another boost, ?5 million. And that new relationship if it becomes

:12:41.:12:47.

that with Iran. But I got the sense that it captured both the importance

:12:48.:12:50.

of the issue and the impotence of Britain. Throughout this particular

:12:51.:12:58.

dispute, particularly in Lebanon and then in Syria and now in Iraq this

:12:59.:13:01.

has not been just an issue for the people who live there, this has

:13:02.:13:07.

become a proxy war. This has become a proxy war which the Saudis, the

:13:08.:13:12.

Kuwaitis, Qatar and Iran have now got involved in. There are

:13:13.:13:19.

geopolitical implications. This is not just an issue which will be

:13:20.:13:23.

resolved by the people who live in these countries. Know, and the US

:13:24.:13:28.

resolved by the people who live in considering what it is going to do

:13:29.:13:30.

and William Hague was asked about that earlier in the week and said we

:13:31.:13:32.

would support what the that earlier in the week and said we

:13:33.:13:36.

were doing in the sense we would not get involved in it, but we

:13:37.:13:39.

were doing in the sense we would not back them up. Without knowing what

:13:40.:13:44.

they were going to do? The question raised there and in one of the

:13:45.:13:49.

e-mails was the question about the threat to Britain. The key thing is

:13:50.:13:53.

those British citizens who have gone to fight in those countries and

:13:54.:13:56.

making sure they do not come back radicalised. If we have information

:13:57.:14:04.

that someone has been out in the killing fields of northern Iraq,

:14:05.:14:09.

playing their part in that killing, they will now be pretty battle

:14:10.:14:12.

hardened and well-trained and we know there are coming back, put

:14:13.:14:16.

aside the issue of those we do not know, what should we do with that

:14:17.:14:22.

person? If they are a naturalised British citizen? Yes. If they were

:14:23.:14:30.

not born a British citizen the Home Secretary has powers to remove their

:14:31.:14:32.

citizenship and stop them coming back. We have used that power. If

:14:33.:14:39.

they are British citizens we do not have that option for, if they are

:14:40.:14:44.

born here, we should use our intelligence services to know about

:14:45.:14:49.

them. If they have committed criminal offences, and you heard the

:14:50.:14:52.

Prime Minister talking about making it an offence to do this abroad, we

:14:53.:14:59.

have to use our intelligence services. What does that mean? We

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have to understand if they are a threat. Clearly they are a threat if

:15:09.:15:11.

they have been in the killing Fields. What more of a sign do you

:15:12.:15:19.

want? We have to use our intelligence services. We need to

:15:20.:15:24.

focus on where the risk is highest. I would suggest that is the 400

:15:25.:15:30.

people out there now. It is a difficult problem. And it is a

:15:31.:15:36.

problem that all parties have grappled with. The current

:15:37.:15:40.

Government removed some of the controversial powers for tracking

:15:41.:15:43.

people and there is an issue about whether we have got the right powers

:15:44.:15:48.

and strength. But I think it is tremendously difficult when people

:15:49.:15:54.

come back. We have to engage in these communities and make sure

:15:55.:15:57.

radicalisation, to the extent that it happens, is challenge. It has

:15:58.:16:04.

already happened. These people are out there. In some of the ISIS

:16:05.:16:09.

videos you can hear North of England accent. Some of them are apparently

:16:10.:16:15.

doing the killing as well. A lot of people will think, watching this

:16:16.:16:19.

programme, whether it is legal or moral, a lot of people think if they

:16:20.:16:23.

attempt to come back in, they should not be allowed back in at all or

:16:24.:16:28.

they should be taken in and stuck in the slammer until we work out what

:16:29.:16:32.

to do with them. There are issues about whether we have the correct

:16:33.:16:36.

powers. You cannot do that without having the correct powers. Control

:16:37.:16:44.

orders? We were concerned about them being abolished. I think in the

:16:45.:16:47.

circumstances you have to be clear that you have the right powers. The

:16:48.:16:55.

fact is if there are 400, the worst-case 700 make their way back,

:16:56.:16:58.

incredibly well-trained and battle hardened and quite fearless, the

:16:59.:17:03.

idea that the security forces should just monitor them, my understanding

:17:04.:17:11.

is to keep on monitoring with our resources you need ten or 12 people

:17:12.:17:15.

a day from the security services to do that. We have not got these

:17:16.:17:21.

people. That is why we will have a revival about powers and so

:17:22.:17:24.

violence. In the Guardian there is an argument about what are the core

:17:25.:17:31.

powers of surveillance? Someone from the Home Office argued it was legal

:17:32.:17:36.

and rightly legal to scan e-mails of people who come from abroad. His

:17:37.:17:42.

argument was it was the only way you will pick up that noisy traffic. But

:17:43.:17:48.

the state does not have the resource to take named individuals and

:17:49.:17:52.

monitor them all. Others would say that is a breach of Civil

:17:53.:17:56.

Liberties. I think we will have a debate in Parliament. A new law

:17:57.:18:02.

planning a terrorist offence overseas is a new offence in itself

:18:03.:18:08.

is being planned. There will be control orders and a debate about

:18:09.:18:12.

electronic surveillance. Should be an offence to go and fight for

:18:13.:18:17.

another terrorist group? I think it should. I think going in and

:18:18.:18:22.

fighting already can be. I think the Prime Minister is thinking about the

:18:23.:18:28.

planning and preparation. If you have been abroad and you have been

:18:29.:18:33.

taking part, you may have committed offences already. He was talking

:18:34.:18:37.

about making sure the planning and preparation is also a crime.

:18:38.:18:42.

Surveillance is important. Security services have no interest in reading

:18:43.:18:47.

e-mails, but people use social media to plan and commit these offences.

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That is clear. I was speaking to a senior security guy recently who

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said he agreed with the assessment. That is if Edward Snowden has not

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already stopped us doing what we need to do. But there is a big

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counter argument they are having their hands tied behind their back

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at the very time the threat is increasing. I am sure this will not

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go away. Just before we move on, a Liberal Democrat minister has

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confirmed senior figures in the party are discussing whether they

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should back a referendum on Britain's membership of the European

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Union and we heard reports today the party had been due to discuss this

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at a meeting last night, but it is only a preliminary meeting, but this

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could change that policy. Now,

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Britain is a nation of dog lovers. We all know about Andrew

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and his Molly. But campaigners are trying to get

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the Government to change the law to ensure that the puppies we buy are

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not mass produced in puppy farms. They want to ensure that puppies are

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kept with their mothers and not sold via pet shops, newspaper ads,

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websites and private dealers. Here is TV vet Marc Abraham with

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his soapbox. Most of us lavish love on our pets. Zoe's owner certainly

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does, but Zoe still bears the scars on the first years of her life on a

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puppy farm. Unfortunately, if you buy a puppy without seeing its mum,

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for example at a pet shop, not only will you most likely be unwittingly

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contributing to a trade that is detrimental to dog welfare, but you

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will probably end up back in a place like this, with a very sick dog as

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well. Young puppies like these guys need their mums. But puppy farmers

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separate them far too early. They often also ignored guidelines about

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health testing, maximum frequency of litters, keeping them in poor

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conditions, failing to socialise them before selling them on without

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vaccination or worming. Put simply, at the farms like this, dogs are

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bred in large numbers with little care for their welfare, health or

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happiness in an effort to maximise profits. Poppy farmers often sell to

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pet shops, just one reason why it is such a bad idea to buy your new

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companion from such a place. They also use the party dealers,

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advertising newspapers and when selling directly will arrange to

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meet at places such as pubs or service station. This way you never

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see the conditions in which the puppies being bred. One of the

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simpler than most effective steps deeper can take to stamp out puppy

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farming is by banning the sale of puppies in pet shops. In this day

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and age, there is no justification for this practice. We need greater

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regulation and much better inspection of the breeders. It is

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time for local authorities to enforce guidelines that puppies are

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only sold when they are seen with their mother. Puppy farming is

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cruelty, and it is time to stop it. And Marc Abraham joins us now. How

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big a problem is this? How many puppy farms are there? Some are

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licensed, some are unlicensed, so it is impossible to give an exact

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figure, but there are enough to cause a huge overproduction of dogs

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in this country. We have puppies being produced on a massive, battery

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farming scale. And we have held the rescued dogs Ian Poulter sleep every

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day. This is not right in the 21st century -- we have rescued dogs who

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are healthy being put to sleep every day. There is demand, but it is the

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wrong demand. People are impulsive. They see celebrities with a French

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bulldog, and the puppy farmers are rubbing their hands. People do not

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go for the family pet that will last 15 years any more. People go for a

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pet that will look good in their handbag or on Facebook, and get rid

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of it in a year's time. They are not committing to pet ownership as they

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once used to. What can the government do? You talked about

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having guidelines to say that you cannot buy from an unlicensed puppy

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farm. Is that in place, or is it what you want? DEFRA's own

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guidelines say that you should always see the pop with the mum, yet

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they always see the pop with the mum, yet

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are not willing to enforce this. They are ignoring their own

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guidelines, which is crazy. Also, local authorities have the

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guidelines, which is crazy. Also, local authorities powers to amend

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those restrictions, yet in research we conduct did, over 50% came back

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saying they did not realise this. It is time for ministers to commit to

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something positive and say, let's stamp out puppy farming, look after

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the rescued dogs of this world and the responsibility of breeders.

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There should be a comprehensive solution to this. It is a growing

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robin, and many of the puppy farms in the UK -- many of the farms are

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in Wales and it is a growing problem. The government are looking

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at how to increase the requirements. The law is

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enforceable. Some of those pictures, I don't think those conditions would

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have asked any kind of welfare test by any licensed operator. Beneath to

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be a comprehensive solution. We need to see how the Welsh solutions work.

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It is something we ought to be looking at dealing with, because it

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is a serious problem. Shouldn't the pet shops just be told not to take

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these? It is already the case within the law that you have to have a. My

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own local authority just revoke the licence of two breeding

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establishments in my constituency, so they can take action. Local

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authorities have to enforce the law. They do inspections, and they can

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look at the conditions the dogs are in. We have to finish there. Thank

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you for bringing attention to this. People can go to our website for

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more information. Join the debate and the petition. Good luck.

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MPs work hard in their constituencies when they are not

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representing their constituents in Parliament, they are beavering away

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on the ground. But you know that. Helen Goodman is the MP for Bishop

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Auckland in County Durham, and in her constituency is a village called

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Ingleton. So when she gave a speech at the village fair, she thought she

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would drop in some local knowledge to show how in touch she is with the

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constituency. But there is another Ingleton, 70 miles away in North

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Yorkshire, and she mixed up the two. Locals were perplexed by the

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waterfalls and big caves she praised in her speech. I am not surprised!

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Luckily, we have two hard-working constituency MPs here today, and

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they could not possibly confuse towns in their constituencies with

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others, or could they? We thought we would find out. It is the

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constituency quiz. Let's start with you, Maria Eagle. Your constituency

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is Hales would -- Halewood. But there is also a blast in Watford so

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which Garston does the River corn run through? That is not mine.

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Correct. It is in Watford. And in which Garston did ask Ron Jeremiah

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Horrocks, who predicted the transit of Venus across the sun in 1639,

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live? I can't say I know the answer to that. We know Jak Jones was

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warning Garston. I am being told that all these questions are wrong,

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and we are just wasting our time. So let's not bother. I could tell you a

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lot about my constituency. I am told that your questions are incorrect.

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In my constituency, I have two villages, both called Staunton. So

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you have to be sure not to model them up. It was a good idea, but

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unfortunately, the research team have been redeployed to western

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Baghdad as I speak. Surely you would know if it was your constituency. If

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I get asked open things, I usually take the view that people do not

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want a long, complicated speech. They just want to thank the people

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that are there, and then get the thing going. The real danger is with

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boundary changes, when you suddenly get a chunk of land that did not

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choose to be yours. I apologise to the people of all these

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constituencies. Now, time to put you out of your

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misery, unlike me. I'm just going into mine.

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I will put you out of your misery in a minute! Here is the answer to

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guess the year. The year, which we often get to tell

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you, was 1999. I said 2000. At least, we hope it is 1999. Thank

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you, Maria. For pressing the buzzer. Colin Bates in Birmingham, well

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done. Thank you to all of our guests,

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particularly Maria and Mark. One o'clock is is now on BBC One. And

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unlike Jeremy Paxman, we are not taking early retirement. We will be

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back tomorrow. Bye-bye.

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Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn are joined by former Immigration minister Mark Harper and shadow environment secretary Maria Eagle for the latest political news, interviews and debate, and live coverage of Prime Minister's Questions.

The Guess the Year competition closes at 12.30pm during the live broadcast of this programme.


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