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Morning folks, and welcome to the Daily Politics.

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It's been a busy week for Labour, they've been setting out their pitch

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But they've not exactly been helped by a string of criticisms

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from people who are meant to be their friends.

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We'll look at what all the parties have cooking to help the economy.

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There's plenty to talk about at PMQs,

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from Labour's internal critics to the Tories' reliance on big donors.

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We'll bring you all the action live at midday.

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Is it time to finally allow shops to sell you whatever you want,

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We're speaking to one MP who rejects the old arguments

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Those who prefer quieter Sundays or to go to church can do so, those

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that want to shop should not be restricted.

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And it's a little-known downside to life as an MP,

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I'll bring be speaking to two politicians who've tangled with

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ferocious pets on the campaign trail.

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Not Molly, though? No, she's an angel. She's French, she's not so

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keen on UKIP. And with us for the show we have

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the MP who's appeared more on We've checked and it's official,

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it's the Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury Chris Leslie. He's been

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on so often He must have a kitchen full, or a

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stand where he sells them. He hasn't been on since last year,

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probably because he's been too busy making

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cameo appearances on Newsnight. Welcome to the show,

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and don't worry Michael, we're quite used to politicians not

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answering the questions. You don't normally ask them 12

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times. Because we know it gets us nowhere!

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All the new MEPs elected in May have been meeting in

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Strasbourg for the first time, and yesterday saw the opening of the new

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Not everybody joined in the general sense of bonhomie

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and joie de vivre however, the UKIP MEPs, led by leader

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Nigel Farage, turned their backs as an orchestra played Beethoven's

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Ode to Joy, the unofficial anthem of the European Union.

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Conservatives in the chamber sat quietly, while most MEPs stood.

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Well, with Jean-Claude Juncker firmly in place to be president

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of the EU Commission, the jockeying has begun to see which countries get

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Britain wants one of the big economic portfolios, but an

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unnamed aide to Jean-Claude Juncker quoted in the papers this morning

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says the UK will only get a big job if it puts forwards a candidate with

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Michael Howard, after the public criticism, how strong do you think

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David Cameron's negotiating position is? I think it's stronger. He has

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made it absolutely clear that he will stand up for what he believes

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in. That he will fight for what he believes in. That, when he says the

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European Union has to reform, if we are to remain members, he means it.

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He is not bluffing. I think a lot of people in Europe thought previously

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it was bluffing and there was no real prospect of the UK leaving the

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European Union. I think now they have woken up and smell the coffee,

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and they realise that, actually, there is a possibility of it

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happening. What about getting a candidate for one of those plum

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roles? Do you think that is likely when aides are also talking about

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revenge against David Cameron, they want a serious candidate with an

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open mind about that EU, who would that be? Would it be you? I think

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that is unlikely. But not out of the question? I think there is a desire

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in Europe to keep Britain in. I don't think anybody will be in the

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business of humiliating the United Kingdom. I think they want us in. I

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think that they will be making serious efforts to keep us in, which

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is a very good thing. We heard from one member of the European

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Commission saying it would be an thinkable for Britain to leave the

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EU. Stretching and olive branch? I think that is stretching the spin of

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David Cameron beyond what most people would think. If you wanted to

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shape the European Union in a constructive way, make sure that we

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dealt with some of the bureaucracy and waste, get to grips with some of

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the forms we have to do, the only way of doing that is pitching in and

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building alliances. It is a matter of embarrassment, not private, that

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it was only Hungary that was left with David Cameron at that

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particular time. Of course the Prime Minister is going to come back and

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try to tout -- tubthump. Really, to be left without those alliances does

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not bode well for the reforms we need in Europe. We have been talking

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to the business community about this particular issue. They are very

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concerned indeed about our place in this large trading bloc, making sure

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that business and jobs are safeguarded for the future. That is

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what now matters. Forgive me, I got the impression that your lot didn't

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want Jean-Claude Juncker either? So, how would you have invented that?

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Because you actually engage with the other members. There is nothing

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wrong with putting up a fight, even losing. But you can't, in any way,

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say that this was a successful negotiation when he was left with

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only one I. It was embarrassing. How on earth would you suggest you could

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have done any better? You had the same objective, David Cameron tried

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to build alliances. He didn't! He was grandstanding throughout the

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whole thing. Let's go to the referendum that Labour keep saying

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they are not going to offer. Is that still the case? Any guarantee there

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will not be that offer for the election next year? I don't think

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anybody is going to have an in-out referendum... The promise of an

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election? We have said we don't think it is required before you have

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a proposal on the table to maybe have a treaty change. So, no,

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despite what Unite has said, your big financial backer, who says that

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Labour need to offer an in-out referendum? There are lots of views

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on this issue. Unite have their views for their members. As far as

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the Labour Party is concerned, we want to put the best interests of

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the country first. You are sure you are not looking at flats in

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Brussels? Quite sure. Have you been asked? No. And you would say no? If

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I am asked, I will think about it and you will be the first to know.

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I'm going to Brussels next week, shall I bring you back an estate

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agent brochure? No thanks. Leave him alone! He didn't say no. I didn't

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say yes. Neither did Michael Lansley on this programme. Where am I?

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Back in the 90s it was dubbed the prawn cocktail offensive, as senior

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Labour figures in opposition wooed big business over lunch in the City.

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And it worked, even if prawn cocktails themselves had actually

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Well this week Labour's been trying to tickle the tastebuds

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of business leaders once again, and it's looking like a big battleground

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JoCo can tell us what the parties have got cooking.

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All the parties know they need to win the support of business if

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they're to be trusted to show they can serve up a recipe for economic

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success At the moment the polls on who voters trust to handle the

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economy show that's a problem for Labour, they trail by 12 points.

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Which has been some food for thought for the Labour policy team.

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So this week the party have been positioning themselves

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as the party that's pro-business, but not business-as-usual.

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Top of the menu are lower business rates and plans to

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devolve ?30 billion of spending to boost growth outside London.

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For the Tories, their dish du jour is their long-term economic plan,

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and they say they're helping firms by cutting their national insurance

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Finally, the Lib Dems might be stuck in the kitchen with the Tories,

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but they boast that in government they've targeted investment

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in key sectors like manufacturing as well as creating a record number

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It's been a big week for Labour announcements

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but they haven't been helped by mutterings within the party.

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Today, two former advisors to Tony Blair, Patrick Diamond and Lord

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Roger Liddle have been among the critics, saying Labour will not win

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You think they are anti-business, Labour? I don't think they are an

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anti-business party, the point we are making is that Labour cannot

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afford to be positioned as anti-business, because any

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successful government in Britain today needs to have successful

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businesses are part of its policy agenda, to provide the jobs, wages

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and business standards that people across the country need. And also to

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generate the wealth and the investment that we need to maintain

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high quality public services. You clearly think they haven't been

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sending out the right messages, let's look at some of the things

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they have been talking about. They are making a virtue of supporting

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small and medium businesses rather than big corporations. Has that been

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a mistake? The point we make is that there are dangers in drawing

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distinct differences between businesses. There is nothing

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inherently virtuous about small or medium-sized us must, as against a

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large business. They are all employers, they are necessary to

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give quality jobs, good wages and living standards. To draw a

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distinction between predatory and responsible capitalism is

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problematic. How do you enforce that? We need to make sure

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regulators bear down on bad business behaviour, but we should proceed

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from the assumption that business is part of the solution, rather than

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part of the problem. What should Labour do? They need to set out a

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positive agenda for business, the idea of a progressive capitalism.

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What makes capitalism progressive, as opposed to just capitalism, it

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would be a private-sector enterprise that provides more high-quality

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jobs, which provides rising living standards and rising wages. It would

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also be a dynamic capitalism that provides the investment that we need

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to provide good quality public services, a high-quality NHS, good

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quality education and so forth. There are various ways of doing

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that. Some of those have been discussed by the Labour Party this

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week. Devolution of power to cities, more emphasis on training, more

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emphasis on innovation and using education to innovate and produce

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products and services of the future. These are all important. There are

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emphasised areas, such as giving options of employee ownership. These

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can be part of a pro-business agenda. He said the new Labour model

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was shaken to its core. Do you agree with Ed Balls that the third Way has

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failed? There were major problems with the new Labour approach of the

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1990s. One of those has been much discussed, the failure to

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effectively regulate the financial sector and the banks. That remains a

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major issue. Another problem that was clearly evident in the new

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Labour years was that there was not a proactive, industrial policy until

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the final 18 months of the Labour government in the run-up to the 2010

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elections. Labour then lost the election. The momentum around having

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an active, government led interventionist industrial policy

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was lost. All the evidence is, and if you look around the world, the

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country succeeding in the global economy today are the countries

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where the government plays a really active role in coordinating

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investment and innovation. We need that in the UK as well.

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Why is it that every time Ed Miliband trundles out a new

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initiative, the wheels fall off? Is his office run by a bunch of teenage

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incompetents who cannot count? You might be surprised that I would

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challenge the premise of that question. It did yesterday? I don't

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think you did. We had bold proposals from Andrew Adonis to devolve and

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help regional economic development. He leaked in advance figures he

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thought showed that the new jobs were being created in London. He was

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told the figures were dodgy. He took them out of his speech entirely,

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decided to add lead. The speech was then not released. Later, he said he

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struck by the figures. If that's not the wheels falling off, what is? I

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don't agree with that characterisation. The Centre For

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Cities, a well respected think tank, whose job it is to look at economic

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development, they pointed out quite rightly that, in the data, when you

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love and location of employment, it is the case that Greater London has

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had a greater number of jobs created and the rest of the country. That

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dataset ended in 2012. We are due to seek the new dataset in 2013. And

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the data from the Office of National Statistics ends when? That date is

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more recent. I presume it was 2013-14. That ONS data, the

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legitimate datasets, they were looking at the residency of where

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jobs were created. Let me give you an example. If you are resident in

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Saint Albans and you commute into London to work, the ONS data says,

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well, that should be located in Hertfordshire. The other set of

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statistics say it is actually a job in London. You can dance around on

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the head of a pin on these things, but if the Conservatives and our

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opponents say there is not a problem with differential regional economic

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development, and they think everything is fine, I would say they

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are out of touch. Are you saying making it residence and where they

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are located, accounts for the difference between 80% of the jobs

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created in London and in the last year only 20% of the jobs? The

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statistics speak for themselves. They don't, actually. This was about

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private sector jobs. How does the Centre for cities, which you are

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depending on, designate education jobs? Education jobs? There may be

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different data sets from the ONS? No, 40% are in the private sector,

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so why would you use figures like that? These were not Labour Party

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statistic. It is a separate think-tank, very well respected. Why

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is it well respected? They have produced worthwhile analysis. The

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figures are two years out of date. The bigger point is, Andrew, do you

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believe we have a fine and balanced and sustainable recovery, or do you

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believe, as I do, one of the key challenges for the Treasury and the

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government is make sure we have a sustained recovery that is balanced

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and reaching many parts of the country and helping as many parts of

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the country. That is not happening. The scale of the problem is

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important. Are the new jobs being created in the private sector in

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London or is it 20%? There is still a problem, but it is a problem

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between 80% and 20%? There can be conflicting reports, but my view is

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there is a problem and we do have the recovery happening in London in

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a different way than in Nottingham or in the North East. If it was 20%,

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would there be a problem? I believe there is a problem from the

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experience I have in my constituency and it totally. In terms of housing

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developments, as in this formation. They are not happening in some of

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those -- in parts of the country where they say it is happening.

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London and the South East over experience I have in my constituency

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and it totally. In terms of dominate this country and we need more

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balanced growth? We do, but if Ed Miliband stands by the figures, why

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did he take them out of his speech? The figures were set out by the

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Centre for cities. But he took them out? He wasn't reading the speech,

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as I saw it... Ed Balls was on the television on Sunday morning making

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great play with these figures. Other Labour spokespeople made great play

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with these figures and Ed Miliband had them in the draft of his speech.

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He wasn't reading his speech. If you want to use this as a distraction

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from the real problem. Feel free, talk about the methodology but you

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are denying there is a problem. The bigger issue is the competence of Ed

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Miliband. The biggest of all issues is how do we get more economic

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growth and better paid jobs outside London and the south-east? What is

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the government doing about that? You have two have a long-term plan for

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the economy of the country. Unless you get the economy growing, you are

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not going to get it spreading to other parts of the country. Michael

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Howard, the leaves in long-term plans? If they did not work for

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Stalin, how will they work for Howard? I think it is a different

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plan. But what the government has succeeded in doing is getting the

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economy growing. You have got to get growth and it is growing. That

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growth will extend to other parts of the country but the government is

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also doing things to reinforce that. Manchester has now an imaginative

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plan for investment and infrastructure. It is funded by the

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ability to keep part of its tax take. Infrastructure out what is 10%

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lower than 2010. You should be embarrassed about that. Let the

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market sort this out, is that your plan? We have had to recover from

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the crisis your lot brought on in the years leading up to 2010. The

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banks cause by crisis. We have managed to get the economy going.

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Labour is trying to become more business friendly. It is suggested

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some of the things Ed Miliband announced is not a business

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friendly. But tonight you will be having a conservative summer party

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at a posh, West London private members club, packed with

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millionaires. 450 attended last year with a combined wealth of ?11

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million and tables cost ?12,000 each. You are in their pockets. We

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are not in their pockets, Tony Blair hosted similar kinds of parties. The

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truth is, the gap between the two major parties now is bigger than it

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has ever been since 1983 when I entered Parliament. Then you had

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Margaret thatcher as leader of the Conservative Party and Michael foot

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as leader of the Labour Party. Tony Blair change that. It must be

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embarrassing for Chris who was cheering New Labour, to be in a

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position to have the Labour Party proclaiming to do all sorts of

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things which are nothing to do with New Labour, which would ring back

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old Labour. But how can you, the Conservatives, criticise Labour's

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ties with the unions when you will be having dinner tonight with people

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with a combined wealth of INXS of ?11 million, paying ?12,000 for a

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table to rub shoulders with the Prime Minister. They don't have any

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influence on policies. How do we know that? I don't seem to remember

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in the budget, they will all be there at this posh club tonight? I

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have no idea who will be there. Are you going? No, I am not. Let me

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remind everyone of something. The latest figures were pointed out by

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George Osborne in the budget and they show that income inequality in

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this country has been diminishing since 1986. It shows it has been

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decreasing since 1986 and the highest earners pay a hugely

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disproportionate... They are doing very well. Why have we got

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Mandelson, minus, Glassman and Cruddas, why are they attacking your

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boss? I don't think they are attacking. You heard Morris Glassman

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on the radio characterising... He said he was taken up a short Ali for

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a long walk. They are anxious they want to see the Labour government

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succeed and we have the right credible offer on policies that will

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make a difference. We are in a position where we are heading

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towards the general election dash it is going to be close. Your interview

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with Patrick Diamond, I did not disagree with anything he said. Are

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they being helpful? Lots of people have advice. There is plenty of ice

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for Ed Miliband, but he will make his decisions. Are they being

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helpful? Plenty of people will have their views on these things. Some

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people will be less helpful, but he will make the judgement as the

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leader and he has shown he is capable. You will be familiar with

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what happened there, not answering the question. I did answer the

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question, you did not like what I said. I will give you one more

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chance, are they being helpful? Some are being helpful, some are being

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less helpful. All the new MEPs elected

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in May have been meeting in The for the biggest prize in

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Europe. The horse trading is underway. There have been secret

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cloak and dagger meetings in Brussels. We have been fielding

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the BBC's deputy political editor, In recent weeks, Ed Miliband has had

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an open goal and not found the back of the net. Today, David Cameron has

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an open goal, but makes it dangerous for him? Everybody is expecting him

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to score, he has power and weight. With these quotations he has ready

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to throw from John Cruddas, Morris Glassman or whoever, sometimes you

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can get as a Prime Minister, too bogged down in the quotes. You just

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need one or two real killers. If I was Ed Miliband, I would do anything

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to avoid it and make it harder for Ed Miliband -- the Prime Minister. I

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would go on issue like the NHS or something foreign. Given the economy

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is going to be the biggest question, less than nine months away, it says

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something if the leader of the opposition cannot go on the economy?

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That is a continuing refrain from David Cameron, whenever Ed Miliband

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does not talk about the economy, he will pick up on that. What about

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these people who say about these Labour grandees queueing up like the

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scene in the film, aeroplane, to hit him with a baseball bats, thump

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him. Remember that? Why is that, he is ahead in the polls? It is

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frustration. Frustration among some of the thinkers their policy ideas

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are not being translated into policy. Also frustration that some

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say Labour's inability to get their message across. There is no

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narrative, no story tying together the policies. Objectively you could

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say Ed Miliband does have a story, but not one that has resonated with

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the electorate. I will tell you a story, we are going to PMQs.

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Rovers deal is a key sign of prosperity? Will he do all he can to

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haste and the completion of this deal? --

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I know how passionately she feels about this important development. I

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know she will feel delighted that the judge in question has dismissed

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the judicial review, so we hope that this paves the way for the

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supermarket and stadium to be built. Not only would this mean a

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new home for Bristol Rovers, it will mean more growth and better

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infrastructure for Bristol. Ed Miliband.

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It is four years since the Prime Minister announced his top-down NHS

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organisation. Since then, can he tell us if the number of people

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having to wait more than a guaranteed two months for cancer

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treatment has got better or worse? The number of people being treated

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for cancer has gone up by 15%. We are meeting the key waiting time

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targets, particularly for accident and emergency, that we met for

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April, even though he predicted a crisis. That was a specific question

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I asked about cancer treatment. The Prime Minister did this

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reorganisation and said things would get better. MacMillan Cancer Support

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warned that more lives are being put at risk. Cancer Research UK says it

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is not just a missed target, some patients are being failed. They have

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missed the target for the first time ever for cancer treatment. Is he

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telling the two most respected cancer charities that they are wrong

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and things are getting better? We introduced for the first time ever a

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Cancer Drugs Fund, treating 50,000 people. That is what is happening.

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The number of people being treated for cancer is up 15%. This is in

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stark contrast with Wales, where Labour are in charge. They shake

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their heads, but the fact is that Labour is in charge of the NHS in

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Wales and they have not met a cancer target there since 2009! Actually,

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he is wrong about that. In Wales, more patients start cancer treatment

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within 62 days than in England. We know why he wants to talk about

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Wales, because he cannot defend his record in England. Wasn't it

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interesting that on the cancer treatment target, you could not

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pretend things were getting better, but he could not admit they were

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getting worse. In the four years since his organisation, have the

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number of people waiting more than the guaranteed four hours in A got

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better always? We have met our waiting time targets for accident

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and emergency. Let me tell him exactly how long people are waiting.

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The average waiting time, when the shadow secretary of state was

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secretary of state, the average waiting time 77 minutes. Under this

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government it is 30 minutes. That is what has happened under this

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Government. Let me admit to a mistake. I have just said that

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Labour have not met a cancer treatment target in Wales since

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2009. I'm afraid I was wrong. They have not met that since 2008. Of

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course, in Wales, there is no Cancer Drugs Fund. There has been an 8% cut

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to the budget. People are dying on waiting lists and Labour are

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responsible. He asks me to defend my record over the last four years. I

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will. There are 7000 more doctors. There are 4000 more nurses. There is

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over 1000 more midwives. We are treating over 1 million more

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patients each year. Whereas the NHS and Labour have the disgrace of

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Mid-Staffs, you can now see the NHS being properly invested in and

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properly improving. I will tell him about our record on the NHS, the

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shortest waiting times ever. More doctors and nurses than ever before.

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The highest patient satisfaction ever. That is Labour's record on the

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NHS. It was a long time ago, he did not answer the question, it is a

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target that he set for four our waiting in A Let me give him the

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figures for his four our waiting target. Before reorganisation, the

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number of people waiting more than four hours was 353,000. After his

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reorganisation, it has risen to 939,000. That is an increase of

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300%. Is that better or worse? The average waiting time is down by more

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than half, that is better. But he doesn't have to listen to me, he can

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listen to the Shadow Health Secretary, who said this. He said,

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this is the best health service in the world. That is what he said. He

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was quoting the Commonwealth report, an independent organisation

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which ranked the United Kingdom, for the first time, under this

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government, as having the best health service anywhere in the

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world. Better than America, better than Germany, better than France. He

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says it was his record, this has only happened under this

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government! I can tell him why it has happened under this government.

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Mixed sex wards virtually abolished. Millions more treated. A Cancer

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Drugs Fund, more doctors, more nurses, more midwives and more

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people being treated. And, it's official, the best NHS in the world.

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It is this party that created the NHS. Every time, we have to save it

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from that lot opposite. Once again, he didn't answer the question. More

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people are waiting more than four hours in A What about those

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people that are so serious they need a bed in hospital? Since his

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organisation, has the amount of people waiting four hours on

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trolleys, something he said he would get rid of, got better or worse?

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People are waiting less time than under the last Labour government. We

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remember what the last Labour government gave us. The disgrace of

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Mid-Staffordshire, for which they have never properly apologised. What

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they said about our plans, we have put ?12.7 billion extra into the

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NHS. Their view was that it was irresponsible. They oppose reform to

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the NHS. You can see the effect in Wales. No reform, no money, longer

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waiting lists, no targets met, people dying on waiting lists under

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a Labour government. He can't answer the basic questions about his own

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targets in the NHS. I can tell him, the number of people waiting on

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trolleys for more than four hours has gone up from 61,000, up to

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167,000 on his watch. Mr Speaker, he promised the reorganisation in the

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NHS would make things better, it made things worse. Worse on access

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to cancer treatment, worse on A weights, worse on GP access. The NHS

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is getting worse on his watch and there is only one person to blame,

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him. Honestly, if he can't do better than that, even on the NHS, he

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really is in trouble. What is happening under this government,

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millions more patients treated, a Cancer Drugs Fund for the first time

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ever, the Health Service ranked the best in the world. We know what he

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would do. We have heard from the director of policy. He said this,

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there will be no interesting ideas that will emerge from Labour's

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policy review, that's official. His gurus come out, and say that he has

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no vision. Yesterday, you miss quotes statistics, gets them

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completely wrong. The factory he speaks in, the managing director

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says Labour's policy would be a bureaucratic nightmare. I would say

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to the people looking glum behind him, cheer up, folks, it's only

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Wednesday! Good to be back, Mr Speaker. Sheryl

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Lee Shannon, a 40-year-old mother was murdered... On the 17th of March

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by Paul O'Hara, who, at the time, was out on licence, having murdered

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his former partner in 1998. The introduction of Clare's Law, or the

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right to know, to find out if your partner has a history of violence,

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in this case she did know of this history, must be backed up by

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support, both by police and the privation service, so those in this

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situation no of the potential dangers they face, so we will not

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see another tragedy like the death of Sheryl Lee. It is good to see my

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honourable friend back in his place. He makes an important point, the

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introduction of Clare's Law has made a real difference. It gives people

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the right to the information about potential dangers from a partner.

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I'm proud of the fact that has now been rolled out across the country.

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He's absolutely right, we need to do more with the police and the

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privation service, the prison service, to make sure more warnings

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are given in more cases. The Prime Minister will be aware of the

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housing crisis in London. Is he aware of his colleague's the member

:41:24.:41:26.

for Newbury's distinctive contribution? Through his family

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firm he has brought up the New Era Estate... The honourable lady will

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be heard, however much it takes. Families in Hackney are facing

:41:54.:41:56.

seeing their rent driven up and facing eviction, being put on the

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street. Under the activities of the member for Newbury's firm, is that

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the Prime Minister's idea of compassionate conservatism? We know

:42:10.:42:13.

that we need to see more houses built, and we have seen 41,000 over

:42:14.:42:19.

the last year, over a fifth of those in London. We need more

:42:20.:42:21.

house-building and therefore we will see more affordable rent, both in

:42:22.:42:25.

the social sector and the private sector as well. One in three of our

:42:26.:42:31.

nuclear test veteran's descendants have been born with a serious

:42:32.:42:38.

medical condition. Given the cross-party campaign, recognition,

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not compensation, including a payment into a charitable fund, will

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the Prime Minister now clear the logjam, recognise the veterans and

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finally resolve the shameful chapter in our nuclear history? Let me pay

:42:54.:42:58.

tribute to my honourable friend, who has campaigned consistently on this

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issue in the house and outside it. He and I have discussed it. I'm

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happy to tell the house that this government recognises and is

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extremely grateful to all of this service personnel that participated

:43:10.:43:13.

in the nuclear testing programme. We should be no doubt that their

:43:14.:43:17.

selfless contribution made sure that the UK is equipped with a deterrent

:43:18.:43:20.

that we need. I have asked officials to look again at the specific points

:43:21.:43:24.

and oddments he has made and I will come back him as soon as possible.

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Last Saturday I spoke to two my 93-year-old constituent who served

:43:31.:43:35.

as a merchant seaman throughout the Second World War. He said he never

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thought he would live to see the day in this country when people in work

:43:40.:43:43.

would still not have enough money to live on. What does the Prime

:43:44.:43:47.

Minister say to Keith? Is it simply that this Tory Government makes the

:43:48.:43:50.

rich richer and everybody else poorer? Or is it just the inevitable

:43:51.:43:57.

consequence of his long-term economic con? The first thing I

:43:58.:44:00.

would say is that I am proud to lead a government that has seen the basic

:44:01.:44:03.

state pension increased by ?15 a week under this government, helping

:44:04.:44:08.

his constituent. In terms of how we help people in work, what we need to

:44:09.:44:16.

do is create more jobs. We've seen 2 million under this government. The

:44:17.:44:19.

second thing we need to do is cut taxes. Under this government, you

:44:20.:44:23.

can earn under ?10,000 before you pay income tax. It is that that is

:44:24.:44:26.

at the heart of the economic plan. brutal murders of three girls,

:44:27.:44:48.

mostly by Hamas. Does the Prime Minister agreed that far from

:44:49.:44:52.

showing restraint, Israel must do everything possible to take out

:44:53.:44:56.

Hamas terrorist networks and will he give the Israeli government support

:44:57.:45:00.

in this? What I would say to my honourable friend, who I know is

:45:01.:45:05.

passionate about these issues, this was an inexcusable act of terror and

:45:06.:45:11.

one can only imagine the effect on the families and friends of these

:45:12.:45:16.

teenagers. It is important Britain will stand with Israel as it seeks

:45:17.:45:22.

to bring to justice, those who are responsible. We welcome that

:45:23.:45:29.

President of Bass has condemned the abduction and will help to find this

:45:30.:45:35.

people. All security operations have to be done with care, but the people

:45:36.:45:40.

who perpetrated this should be brought to justice. In 2011, the

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Prime Minister said waiting lists matter, so why are there 3 million

:45:47.:45:51.

on ever lengthening waiting lists, the highest for six years? And what

:45:52.:45:55.

does the Prime Minister said to Catherine Sinclair, a constituent of

:45:56.:46:00.

mine, 33 weeks she has been waiting in pain or a hip operation. Does she

:46:01.:46:10.

matter? He needs to look at the figures and the figures show the

:46:11.:46:12.

numbers waiting longer than 18 weeks, 26 weeks to start treatment,

:46:13.:46:20.

they are lower today than they ever were when the shadow Chancellor was

:46:21.:46:27.

sitting in government. We have the record yesterday of the leader of

:46:28.:46:31.

the opposition using dodgy statistics. Yesterday he claimed

:46:32.:46:38.

that three quarters of the jobs in our country were created in London.

:46:39.:46:43.

That is totally wrong! Have we heard an apology? Have we heard a

:46:44.:46:50.

correction? He will do anything to talk down the British economy. The

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Prime Minister is aware, because I have raised this issue with him

:46:58.:47:02.

before, my long-standing campaign for serious investment in rail

:47:03.:47:07.

service from Penzance and the council proposal for train upgrade

:47:08.:47:13.

and my petition which I delivered to this House in support of that

:47:14.:47:20.

campaign. Will the Prime Minister visit my constituency with his

:47:21.:47:22.

cheque-book and favourable announcement? I intend to spend a

:47:23.:47:29.

lot of time in his constituency between now and the next election

:47:30.:47:33.

and I will be bringing all sorts of good news for the people of St Ives.

:47:34.:47:41.

Germany has three times as many apprentices as the UK. The number of

:47:42.:47:47.

young apprentices have fallen. Long-term youth unemployment in

:47:48.:47:52.

Dudley is twice the national average and we will only attract secure and

:47:53.:47:56.

better jobs if we make education and skills a priority. Will the Prime

:47:57.:48:02.

Minister make a start in ensuring every public sector procurement

:48:03.:48:09.

contract secures apprenticeship places? If he looks at the figures

:48:10.:48:18.

for Dudley North, he will find the claimant count is down by 20%. He

:48:19.:48:30.

will find the youth claimant count is down by 21% in the last year. The

:48:31.:48:44.

long-term youth claimant count is down by 28%. The fact is, in the

:48:45.:48:46.

West Midlands, things are getting better. More people in work, more

:48:47.:48:47.

jobs being created. He should be celebrating Dudley, rather than

:48:48.:48:49.

running it down. The Prime Minister will be aware of the tragic death of

:48:50.:48:52.

my three-year-old constituent, Sam Morris from sepsis. He was failed by

:48:53.:48:53.

his GPs, out-of-hours services, hospital, the primary care trust and

:48:54.:48:58.

the ombudsman. It must not happen again. Will the Prime Minister

:48:59.:49:05.

ensured the ombudsman was macro recommendations are implemented in

:49:06.:49:12.

full. To deliver proper transparency in a timely way. This family waited

:49:13.:49:19.

two years for justice. The honourable lady is absolutely right

:49:20.:49:23.

to raise this tragic case and thoughts should be with his parents.

:49:24.:49:29.

It is shocking and saddening to see a whole succession of health

:49:30.:49:43.

services failing this family. Anyone who lost a child and lost a child by

:49:44.:49:51.

Young knows how harrowing and dreadful it is. We must learn

:49:52.:49:53.

lessons from this case, make sure they are acted on. Last week we

:49:54.:49:55.

launched a major safety campaign to prevent these tragic and sadly

:49:56.:49:56.

avoidable deaths. At the Tory summer Ball, the Defence Secretary was sat

:49:57.:49:58.

with a lobbyist for the governments of Bahrain. Can the Prime Minister

:49:59.:50:04.

tell others if they discussed the fact Bahrain is still not regarded

:50:05.:50:09.

by the Foreign Office as a human rights country of concern? The

:50:10.:50:15.

Labour Party had to get one trade union to write one cheque for ?14

:50:16.:50:21.

billion. When you look at the candidates the Labour Party has

:50:22.:50:25.

got, when you take out of the mix we have the son of Tony Blair, son of

:50:26.:50:32.

Jack Straw, son of John Lescott. You will find 80% of the candidates are

:50:33.:50:36.

union sponsored. They bought the candidates, bought the policy and

:50:37.:50:43.

they bought a leader. We must never let them near the country. Thank you

:50:44.:50:58.

Mr Speaker. The number of NEATS in my constituency has fallen thanks to

:50:59.:51:09.

a joint project. Will the Prime Minister congratulate those for that

:51:10.:51:11.

success and urge more MPs to get involved. Recognising the great

:51:12.:51:24.

value and if lended wisely? He is right. There is an interest across

:51:25.:51:29.

this House because all parties are committed to making the local

:51:30.:51:33.

enterprise partnerships work, not to go back to the old regional

:51:34.:51:36.

development agencies. It is important local enterprise agency is

:51:37.:51:41.

our business lead and it is important they are strong in all

:51:42.:51:46.

parts of the country. MPs can play a role in encouraging promising

:51:47.:51:49.

businessmen and women to get involved. Can I take the Prime

:51:50.:51:54.

Minister back to the question of the private rented sector? Across London

:51:55.:51:58.

there are thousands of family, people at work, people on benefits

:51:59.:52:05.

who are frightened of rent increases, frightened of short-term

:52:06.:52:08.

tenancy and frightened of the consequences for themselves and

:52:09.:52:11.

their children of being evicted and forced to move out of the area in

:52:12.:52:17.

which they have lived. It is social cleansing in parts of London and it

:52:18.:52:20.

is coming to the rest of the country. Can he give an assurance

:52:21.:52:23.

there will be serious consideration about the need to bring back rent

:52:24.:52:32.

control in this country to protect people to ensure they have somewhere

:52:33.:52:34.

secure and decent to live. Where I would agree with honourable

:52:35.:52:40.

gentleman, there is a need for greater transparency for the work of

:52:41.:52:45.

letting agents in terms of fees. There is a need for longer term

:52:46.:52:50.

tenancies, but in the end we must allow the customer to choose what

:52:51.:52:54.

they want. Where I part company with him, is the idea of introducing rent

:52:55.:52:59.

controls. Every time they have been tried, they have failed and that is

:53:00.:53:05.

not just my view. It is the view of Labour's own Shadow Housing Minister

:53:06.:53:09.

who says she does not think rent controls will work in practice.

:53:10.:53:16.

Perhaps he needs to have a word with her before coming on to me? In the

:53:17.:53:26.

1983 general election, a 13-year-old boy delivered leaflets around my

:53:27.:53:31.

constituency, pledging that Michael that would out of the European

:53:32.:53:36.

Union. Does my right honourable friend find it strange the same boy

:53:37.:53:41.

now leader of the Labour Party, isn't willing to either support

:53:42.:53:48.

re-negotiation of written's terms of membership of the EU or pledged

:53:49.:53:52.

support to trust the people of Britain in a referendum on our

:53:53.:53:58.

membership in the European Union? I have always thought it is unfair to

:53:59.:54:01.

hold against people things they might have done in their youth! As a

:54:02.:54:16.

14-year-old, if that was his idea of fun, we have two make room for

:54:17.:54:21.

everybody. The point is this, it is in the interests of the British

:54:22.:54:29.

people to have a renegotiation. What is my idea of fun, it is not hanging

:54:30.:54:35.

out with the Shadow Chancellor. So, I feel sorry for the leader of the

:54:36.:54:42.

opposition because he has two hang out with him all of the time. What a

:54:43.:54:46.

miserable existence, to have sitting next to you, the person who wrecked

:54:47.:54:50.

the British economy and have to listen to them as they say to the

:54:51.:54:56.

people of great Britain, we crashed the car, give others the keys back!

:54:57.:55:03.

The uncertainty surrounding the future of Scotland and the UK has

:55:04.:55:07.

resulted in many of the business community in Scotland with holding

:55:08.:55:15.

significant investment. Does the Prime Minister agreed there is a

:55:16.:55:18.

moral responsibility on employers to inform their employees of any

:55:19.:55:26.

consequences over the separation from the UK so they can make a prior

:55:27.:55:32.

choice before the referendum? A huge amounts of pressure is put on

:55:33.:55:36.

businesses by the Scottish Government with threats and warnings

:55:37.:55:40.

if they speak out and say what they believe is the truth. I have come

:55:41.:55:45.

across business leaders in Scotland who want to keep the United Kingdom

:55:46.:55:49.

together and think it is crazy to have border control, different

:55:50.:55:55.

currencies and split up the United Kingdom. I would urge them to speak

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out, talk about the strength of the United Kingdom and vote to keep it

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together. This weekend the city's towns and villages of Yorkshire will

:56:21.:56:25.

be alive to cries of the Tour de France. As it passes through the

:56:26.:56:54.

counties. Will the Prime Minister join in the doozy as with people of

:56:55.:57:01.

the race taking part it is a wonderful legacy to build for

:57:02.:57:02.

cycling and encourages people to get on their bikes? Ie agree it is

:57:03.:57:04.

brilliant it is starting in Yorkshire and it will be a fantastic

:57:05.:57:06.

event for our country. It is a great advert for Yorkshire. I am looking

:57:07.:57:08.

forward to going to see the race and some of the preparations. It will be

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a magnificent event and I will do everything I can to promote it,

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apart from wearing lycra! Will the Prime Minister make it illegal for

:57:14.:57:18.

recruitment agencies to advertise overseas jobs or this country unless

:57:19.:57:25.

they advertise locally also? The short answer is yes. We are saying

:57:26.:57:30.

employment recruitment agencies to advertise

:57:31.:57:32.

overseas jobs or this agencies cannot do that. They

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overseas jobs or this country unless they advertise cannot advertise jobs

:57:37.:57:44.

abroad and we are doing everything to stop that. We have a ?12 billion

:57:45.:57:52.

tourism deficit in this country, the deficit of people who go overseas

:57:53.:58:02.

and the people who come here. One of the reasons is the high VAT rates on

:58:03.:58:12.

accommodation and attractions. Will the Prime Minister look at that to

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make sure that is not what is driving up the deficit? He is right

:58:21.:58:30.

to promote the South West as a holiday destination. The restoration

:58:31.:58:35.

of the transport links has been vital. It is difficult to have

:58:36.:58:40.

differential rates of VAT on some of these things but everything we can

:58:41.:58:44.

do to promote the UK as a holiday destination, including the fact that

:58:45.:58:47.

Tour de France is coming this weekend, we should do. Cancer

:58:48.:58:50.

Research UK has just launched a strategy in tailoring treatment of

:58:51.:58:52.

individuals which will prove more effective in combating the disease.

:58:53.:58:54.

How will the Prime Minister ensure the NHS is in a position to access

:58:55.:58:57.

radiotherapy and drugs are available to all regions of Great Britain and

:58:58.:59:00.

Northern Ireland? The Cancer Drugs Fund has been a breakthrough, not

:59:01.:59:04.

just making available drugs, but also important treatments. I hope

:59:05.:59:06.

other parts of the United Kingdom will take this up. The other thing

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we can do is to make sure that we are sequencing gene owns as fast as

:59:12.:59:15.

we can so we can carry out the research necessary to see which

:59:16.:59:17.

cancer drugs will be effective on which patients, according to their

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DNA. This will be the modern way to do tailored medicine and Britain is

:59:21.:59:23.

ahead of the pack on this in terms of making sure we invest in our

:59:24.:59:26.

universities and sciences as well as the NHS. I have two young

:59:27.:59:27.

constituents who owned 108 properties -- one of the 108

:59:28.:59:33.

properties in rugby as part of the Help to Buy scheme. But the fact

:59:34.:59:37.

they now enjoy their own home and have made a start on the housing

:59:38.:59:43.

ladder, demonstrates this government support for those who want to work

:59:44.:59:48.

hard and get on? I join him in congratulating his constituents,

:59:49.:59:52.

because Help to Buy scheme is working to get people the housing

:59:53.:59:55.

ladder. It is enabling people who don't have rich parents who cannot

:59:56.:00:01.

afford a big deposit but can afford the mortgage to buy the House or

:00:02.:00:06.

flat they want. We have seen 30,000 people taking advantage of this

:00:07.:00:10.

scheme and it is hoping to kick-start investment in housing. Is

:00:11.:00:21.

the Prime Minister aware that on the question of the national health

:00:22.:00:25.

service, and as an outpatient, which I have two visit on a regular

:00:26.:00:33.

basis, I hear from the front line about the problems in the health

:00:34.:00:36.

service. Nurses have lost quite a considerable amount in their real

:00:37.:00:43.

pay. The A are bursting at the seams. Then there is the question of

:00:44.:00:49.

almost every hospital in Britain that is running into financial

:00:50.:00:59.

difficulties. As a member of the Bollington club, is he proud to be

:01:00.:01:05.

surrounded by this wreckage? Remember, it is his legacy, not

:01:06.:01:13.

ours. Stop blaming the opposition. Get it done, all get out! I just

:01:14.:01:21.

think the picture the honourable gentleman paints is wrong. There are

:01:22.:01:26.

more people going to A, over a million more people going to A in

:01:27.:01:30.

our country but we are meeting targets and waiting times are down

:01:31.:01:35.

by a half. There are 4000 more nurses in the NHS than when I first

:01:36.:01:41.

stood here. There are 7000 more. Does and we have cut the number of

:01:42.:01:45.

administrative staff, the bureaucrats we were left with by the

:01:46.:01:50.

party opposite, 19,000 fewer than those and that is why we can treat

:01:51.:01:55.

patients with more clinical staff. A record we can be proud of. It is

:01:56.:02:07.

thanks to our long-term economic plan, ?200 million has been

:02:08.:02:11.

allocated to the biting potholes, 3.3 million in Northampton North.

:02:12.:02:19.

Doesn't that infrastructure investment mean it is only

:02:20.:02:22.

Conservatives that have a plan that puts Britain on the road to

:02:23.:02:27.

recovery, where as the Labour Party would drive this country's economy

:02:28.:02:34.

off a cliff? I think my honourable friend is justified in taking a lot

:02:35.:02:38.

of credit for the work that has been done on potholes because he has

:02:39.:02:42.

raised this at every forum in this House over and over again. Northants

:02:43.:02:48.

got ?3.3 million specifically to spend on repairing roads and it can

:02:49.:02:55.

fill in 62,000 potholes! It is important because it damages cars,

:02:56.:03:00.

motorbikes and cycles on their way to work. Mending potholes is good

:03:01.:03:06.

for working families. Arthur Jones, a 73-year-old Army veteran from

:03:07.:03:11.

Denbigh in my constituency went hill walking in Crete. He has not been

:03:12.:03:17.

seen since June 19. His family are frantic with worry. Will the Prime

:03:18.:03:22.

Minister ensure the FCO continued their excellent work and cooperate

:03:23.:03:26.

with the Greek woman to make sure he is found? I will certainly do

:03:27.:03:31.

everything I can to help him with his constituents and have

:03:32.:03:35.

discussions with the Foreign Office. to an end. If you are wondering

:03:36.:03:48.

where Jo is, she has to about a dog. That leaves me to talk through Prime

:03:49.:04:01.

Minister's questions. Dominated by the Leader of the Opposition

:04:02.:04:02.

deciding to go on the NHS. the Leader of the Opposition

:04:03.:04:06.

deciding to go on the A number of factual questions thrown at the

:04:07.:04:10.

Prime Minister, asking for certain statistics, which the Prime

:04:11.:04:13.

Minister, by and large, answered by answering a different question about

:04:14.:04:18.

different statistics. You probably saw that theme early on in the Daily

:04:19.:04:23.

Politics, setting a precedent for Prime Minister's Questions. Anyway,

:04:24.:04:25.

we will come back to the significance of why Ed Miliband

:04:26.:04:30.

should go on the NHS in a moment. This is what you thought about it.

:04:31.:04:36.

Mr Jenkins says, why doesn't Cameron answer the questions instead of

:04:37.:04:39.

skirting around the subject? John Maxwell says, when will Ed Miliband

:04:40.:04:46.

know not to throw NHS statistics around? Another viewer says,

:04:47.:04:53.

Miliband fails again, he never wants to talk money because they don't

:04:54.:04:57.

have a clue. But Mr Dawson says that David Cameron is out of his depth,

:04:58.:05:01.

Ed Miliband trounced him. There you go, roughly split. If anything,

:05:02.:05:08.

possibly a slight vote in favour of Miliband. The Leader of the

:05:09.:05:12.

Opposition is at his strongest in these exchanges when he comes well

:05:13.:05:16.

briefed with the fact is. Assuming that, on this occasion, the facts

:05:17.:05:21.

are correct. The figures that he gave for people waiting more than

:05:22.:05:25.

two months, the length of time in A, those having to wait for beds

:05:26.:05:32.

in trolleys before they get them. The Prime Minister really didn't

:05:33.:05:36.

confront any of these figures? No, I think what we got today was a

:05:37.:05:39.

flavour of the general election campaign. It's going to be fought

:05:40.:05:43.

over statistics, which will get incredibly boring and compacted did.

:05:44.:05:47.

I think a lot of it will have to confusion, rather than clarity. --

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complicated. Clearly, we saw Ed Miliband thinking that this was an

:05:53.:05:55.

area he was comfortable in. It's like the issue on Question Of Sport.

:05:56.:06:02.

Do you play home or away? What do you feel comfortable about? He feels

:06:03.:06:08.

strong on the NHS, he feels the Government are weak on it because of

:06:09.:06:12.

their organisation. A lot of statistics can be used. David

:06:13.:06:15.

Cameron did not answer all of those questions. Yet, I think the Prime

:06:16.:06:18.

Minister also showed, he was not that defensive about it, he was

:06:19.:06:22.

prepared to take him on on the issue. The interesting point is that

:06:23.:06:25.

this is supposed to be Labour's economy week, and yet Ed Miliband

:06:26.:06:31.

chose to go on the NHS. Why would you go on an issue when you are

:06:32.:06:36.

already well ahead on the polls, on the NHS, where people prefer Labour?

:06:37.:06:44.

From my postbag, looking at what constituents are raising, there is a

:06:45.:06:48.

growing problem, not just with A, not just with GPs, waiting time, not

:06:49.:06:55.

just getting community care beds, social services and so forth. It

:06:56.:06:59.

means if you look at what has been happening in May, June, some of the

:07:00.:07:03.

recent statistics, it's not just the winter crisis that we normally talk

:07:04.:07:07.

about, it is becoming a summer crisis. This is something that the

:07:08.:07:10.

public are very concerned about. They do love their NHS. They wanted

:07:11.:07:20.

to be supported, cared for and cherished. They know that the

:07:21.:07:24.

top-down reorganisation, putting emphasis on competition rather than

:07:25.:07:30.

quality of care, it's very unpopular and causing significant problems.

:07:31.:07:35.

People were mystified by what the reorganisation meant. At some

:07:36.:07:39.

stages, even the Prime Minister seems mystified. It's going to be

:07:40.:07:42.

quite hard to show any great benefit from it, come the election? I don't

:07:43.:07:47.

know, these things take time before the full effects work through. It

:07:48.:07:54.

started four years ago? I know, but it takes a considerable length of

:07:55.:07:58.

time. What puzzles me is that Labour may be ahead in the polls, it's

:07:59.:08:02.

remarkable that Ed Miliband couldn't mention the economy in Labour's

:08:03.:08:06.

economic week, but Labour did not promise up and -- promise at the

:08:07.:08:14.

next election to ring fence the NHS budget. They would have to control

:08:15.:08:18.

expenditure in the same way as the Government had to do. The inference

:08:19.:08:21.

is that they would be spending less money on the Health Service than the

:08:22.:08:28.

Government. The Government did ring fence at. This is meant to be your

:08:29.:08:33.

economic week. All of the parties do this, they like to reinforce

:08:34.:08:37.

messages. You make speeches, you tweet things, you publish

:08:38.:08:41.

documents. The economy, the economy, the economy. Why would you not go on

:08:42.:08:46.

the economy this week? Don't think you have to only talk about one

:08:47.:08:51.

topic at one time. But this is your economic week, that is the topic? Of

:08:52.:08:55.

course we want a strong economy, Ed Miliband will make another speech on

:08:56.:09:01.

the economy later this week. The NHS does need to be raised and raised

:09:02.:09:04.

fiercely with the Prime Minister, who has made all sorts of promises

:09:05.:09:08.

about detecting health care. And yet, we have seen a real crisis

:09:09.:09:13.

beginning to develop in an NHS that is under more and more pressure.

:09:14.:09:17.

People are finding it so difficult, even to see a GP, and they are

:09:18.:09:21.

having to resort to go to A This is a problem, and of course

:09:22.:09:27.

ministers want to sweep it under the carpet. It is our job as Her

:09:28.:09:33.

Majesty's loyal opposition that we are constantly putting to the Prime

:09:34.:09:36.

Minister concerns of the public. Whether it is the economy, schools

:09:37.:09:40.

or the NHS. The Prime Minister didn't seem to know some of the

:09:41.:09:43.

answers to the questions. Mr Miliband asked him how many people

:09:44.:09:47.

are having to Wade Morgan four hours at A -- wait more than four

:09:48.:09:54.

hours. He answered with the average rate, but that is not what he was

:09:55.:09:58.

asked. He didn't seem to know that those not falling in the four our

:09:59.:10:06.

target, it was 350,000, it is now more than 1 million. But isn't the

:10:07.:10:10.

average weight most important? Not if you are one of the million... But

:10:11.:10:21.

you have to look at the picture, about that. Is there any evidence it

:10:22.:10:26.

was a last-minute change? It seemed to me, certainly until yesterday,

:10:27.:10:29.

that the economy thing would be the natural thing to go on? I have no

:10:30.:10:34.

evidence to suggest he made a change at the last minute. We know that

:10:35.:10:38.

Labour going to make the NHS part of the big summer campaign. What is

:10:39.:10:41.

interesting, if you talk to the health professionals, if you talk to

:10:42.:10:48.

MPs, their great fear is that the election campaign is dominated by

:10:49.:10:52.

conflicting statistics, by a competition for which party is going

:10:53.:10:56.

to promise a small amount more cash for the NHS, without real debate

:10:57.:11:02.

about the substantial issues facing the NHS. Namely, the huge lack of

:11:03.:11:05.

funding and increasing demands on the structure that is simply not

:11:06.:11:08.

going to be touched by meeting we are going to hear over the next

:11:09.:11:12.

eight months or so. That is the great fear that a lot of people have

:11:13.:11:16.

got. Len McCluskey, the general secretary of Unite, one of your

:11:17.:11:20.

biggest bankroll is, he has issued a statement saying that Labour will be

:11:21.:11:24.

hostage to fortune if it does not offer an in-out referendum on the

:11:25.:11:30.

European Union. Len McCluskey has his own views about what Unite

:11:31.:11:33.

members would want to do. Every organisation, the CBI, the trade

:11:34.:11:36.

unions and others will make their case. You were talking before about

:11:37.:11:42.

lots of advice for leaders of political parties and the

:11:43.:11:45.

opposition. It is our job as a Shadow Cabinet, supporting Ed

:11:46.:11:48.

Miliband, to make a judgement about what is in the best interests of the

:11:49.:11:51.

country and the economy. We judge that the uncertainty of David

:11:52.:11:56.

Cameron's position of Britain's role in Europe is causing great damage to

:11:57.:12:01.

long-term interest and prospects. You don't have to take it from me,

:12:02.:12:06.

you know there are plenty in the business community that have

:12:07.:12:09.

concerns. Len McCluskey says he does not want a referendum because he

:12:10.:12:13.

thinks Britain should leave, he says, we'd seek a referendum rethink

:12:14.:12:18.

in order to help get Labour into power. Without such a pledge, our

:12:19.:12:25.

party will stand exposed. He says in a tight election is to make a

:12:26.:12:29.

difference. Most people understand that if you do have a change in a

:12:30.:12:32.

tight election it can make a difference. Most people understand

:12:33.:12:34.

that if you do have a changing relationship, if there is more

:12:35.:12:36.

conceiving of sovereignty is, at that point you should give people

:12:37.:12:38.

the referendum that they want to express their view one. But there is

:12:39.:12:42.

a lot on the government's plate, locked that the country to face up

:12:43.:12:47.

to. Putting at risk the very fragile nature of the recovery that we have

:12:48.:12:53.

got, distracting renegotiations, which David Cameron can't even say,

:12:54.:12:57.

what is aiming for in his renegotiation, it is a crazy

:12:58.:13:03.

approach to take. I'm told the real reason he is reluctant to go down

:13:04.:13:09.

that route is that he doesn't think the public would believe him. David

:13:10.:13:14.

Cameron commerce is a referendum, the public are still sceptical.

:13:15.:13:17.

Which is why the Conservatives are desperately finding ways to convince

:13:18.:13:22.

the public they are serious about it. We are going to have the

:13:23.:13:25.

Referendum Bill established in law, to try to get this idea out there

:13:26.:13:29.

that the Conservatives are serious about it. Ed Miliband thinks he

:13:30.:13:33.

could promise this, not have an electoral pick up and have a huge

:13:34.:13:35.

problem down the line if he becomes Prime Minister. It is dog awareness

:13:36.:13:46.

week. I am sure you knew that, if you were not aware of dogs before

:13:47.:13:50.

now, I don't know what you have been doing.

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They say that dogs are man's best friend.

:13:53.:13:54.

But if you are one of the hundreds of thousands

:13:55.:13:56.

of workers, whose job involves delivery of knocking on people's

:13:57.:13:59.

doors, you are likely to also encounter some less friendly Fidos.

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I dog is trained to bark at anybody who says long-term economic plan!

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Not all dogs are as well-behaved as yours. This week, postal workers,

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the Royal mail and some elected representatives have got together to

:14:18.:14:21.

chew over the issue of dog safety. In the last year, there have been 8%

:14:22.:14:25.

more attacks by dogs on postmen and post women. Who better to discuss

:14:26.:14:31.

this canine issue than somebody from Battersea dogs home? Brian Brady is

:14:32.:14:35.

here with his two glamorous assistants, what are you here for?

:14:36.:14:50.

This problem of people encountering aggressive dogs when visiting

:14:51.:14:54.

houses. These two don't look aggressive, but can you be

:14:55.:14:59.

complacent? They might look calm and now, small dogs, a lot of people

:15:00.:15:02.

think they are safe. It isn't the case. They have exactly the same

:15:03.:15:06.

instincts as a bigger dog. They can bite. What advice would you give to

:15:07.:15:13.

postal workers, MPs out canvassing and sticking their hands to

:15:14.:15:16.

letterboxes? If you are posting something through a letterbox, use a

:15:17.:15:22.

peg. Keep your fingers out of the letterbox. A lot of people get

:15:23.:15:27.

bitten. If you encounter a dog, ignore it as much as you can, don't

:15:28.:15:31.

approach it. Certainly don't reach out to it. Most people, if they are

:15:32.:15:36.

bitten, they get bitten on the hand because it comes towards the dog's

:15:37.:15:47.

face. Let's two MPs who have had some canine encounters. Have you got

:15:48.:15:54.

any scars? I have a scar on my backside when an Alsatian ran down

:15:55.:16:00.

the road. It had been acting the goat with another dog. It ran up

:16:01.:16:06.

behind me and get me. It tore my trousers. Luckily I had my mobile

:16:07.:16:12.

phone in my pocket. You were saved by the mobile phone? The only came

:16:13.:16:18.

down and asked if the dog had bitten me. And then asked me to say sorry

:16:19.:16:27.

to the dog. I don't think the dog can say sorry but I think it might

:16:28.:16:33.

be appropriate for you to say sorry. But it is a serious issue? It is, I

:16:34.:16:40.

was caught in a garden, held up by two dogs, that seemed enormous at

:16:41.:16:44.

the time and when I tried to move, one of them bit me on the forearm. I

:16:45.:16:48.

had to wait a good ten minutes before they left, so I could leave

:16:49.:16:55.

the garden. I have a friend who is a postal worker and she had a finger

:16:56.:17:00.

severely injured while posting the mail. It is a serious issue. I

:17:01.:17:03.

severely injured while posting the mail. It is a serious issue. say to

:17:04.:17:05.

dog owners, like myself, look at what your dog does when you are not

:17:06.:17:09.

there and when the post is being delivered. I was surprised how my

:17:10.:17:18.

dogs reacted, so I have put a post box on the wall. You are in the

:17:19.:17:25.

hands of dog owners? That thing is dead from being bitten by a dog

:17:26.:17:33.

putting my fingers through the letterbox. I now have a short ruler

:17:34.:17:39.

to put the letters through, but they grab those as well. So I ask for it

:17:40.:17:45.

back and they say they should not have put the leaflet through the

:17:46.:17:50.

door. Even I didn't realise it was quite a hazard. We know about postal

:17:51.:17:58.

workers, I never thought about MPs. Has the law changed to give you

:17:59.:18:02.

extra protection? You can now be prosecuted if you have a dog that

:18:03.:18:07.

attacked somebody in the garden. People complain when they don't hear

:18:08.:18:12.

from politicians, but we have got to look after ourselves as well and

:18:13.:18:15.

delivering this literature is important. Dog owners, look at how

:18:16.:18:21.

your dogs behave, perhaps put a box on the wall. It is important people

:18:22.:18:34.

are able to do their jobs on a day-to-day basis and in a safe way.

:18:35.:18:38.

But it is the dog owners, it is their responsibility? People should

:18:39.:18:39.

not be in fear of being attacked? day-to-day basis and in a safe way.

:18:40.:18:40.

But it is You are right, every responsible dog owner has to take

:18:41.:18:45.

responsibility. Take all of the measures they can to make sure

:18:46.:18:49.

people who come to our doors are saved? We can fix baskets on the

:18:50.:18:55.

inside of the door to catch the letters. Exterior postboxes to the

:18:56.:18:59.

wall. If you have a dog you know will react to strangers, don't allow

:19:00.:19:05.

it out to meet someone in the first place. Let's have a look at Millie

:19:06.:19:09.

and Molly. They don't look like they will go for either of you. Which way

:19:10.:19:18.

do they vote? They are neutral. Maybe we should keep it that way.

:19:19.:19:26.

Back to you, Andrew. Any experience of this, Chris Leslie? It is a

:19:27.:19:32.

serious issue. If you can get your leaflet folded in the right way.

:19:33.:19:39.

Never put your fingers through the letterbox, it is about strengthening

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it. There is a lot of science. It is something which calls for a long

:19:47.:19:47.

time plan! Now this year marks

:19:48.:19:50.

the 20th anniversary of the Younger viewers,

:19:51.:19:53.

and I believe there are a couple, may find it hard to believe that

:19:54.:19:57.

in England and Wales you couldn't pop out to buy a new sofa, a new TV

:19:58.:20:01.

or even a VHS player before 1994. Well the Conservative MP Philip

:20:02.:20:05.

Davies believes that it's time to Shopping has been transformed,

:20:06.:20:09.

with the click of a button. We can buy more and more,

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at any time, from anywhere. In a highly competitive,

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globalised world, internet shopping has reformed the consumer market,

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allowing us to shop 24 hours a day. So it seems to me

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illogical to continue with It is very convenient

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for supermarket giants like Tesco, Sainsbury's or Waitrose to say they

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do not agree with relaxing or scrapping Sunday trading

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restrictions. But their smaller stores are open

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longer on Sundays, with inflated prices and fewer products to choose

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from, hitting us in the pocket. At the same time, with online

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shopping, they offer us home It is hardly fair to say that

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certain businesses and shops with a smaller trading area can be

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exempted, and employees can work from dawn to dusk, but workers in

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these larger retail stores can't. It's nonsensical to hinder

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competition in the Sunday market No one would actually be forcing any

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retailer or business to be open Likewise, no one is forcing

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people to go out shopping. Those who prefer quieter Sundays or

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to go to church can just And those who want to shop

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should not be restricted. Philip Davies joins us now. Michael

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Howard you were Home Secretary in 1994? It came into effect in 1994

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and I was Home Secretary but the work of getting it through

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Parliament was Peter Lloyd. What is your reaction? To what Philip has

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said? I have a lot of sympathy and a lot of the predictions which

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accompanied the 1994 act have not come to pass. He has made a very

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powerful case. It is a very difficult islands to strike. I would

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be a hypocrite to say I do not shop sometimes on a Sunday. But the staff

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in the retail sector, it is a different day to the rest of the

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week and we should have a reflection of that. So probably I think the

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current situation as it stands, it strikes the right balance. How do

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you answer that? The employee point. All of these people working from

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dawn to dusk are probably sole traders working for themselves, what

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about big organisations? The main beneficiaries are Tesco express,

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Sainsbury's local, Morrisons, that is what the convenience market looks

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like. It is not small traders you describe, Andrew. It is nonsensical

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to say Tesco worker in a big store needs the protection Chris is

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talking about. But the Tesco worker in a Tesco express is free to work

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every hour God sends. It is nonsensical. The current rules are

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absurd and unjustifiable. What would you like? The same rules that apply

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to the other six days, it should apply to Sunday? Yes, just like in

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Scotland. This guy has not fallen in, in Scotland. I am sure if they

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tried to reverse it, there would be uproar. People are working in these

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big shops, they asked acting shelves ready for opening on Monday morning,

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they just cannot open the doors. They are shopping for people who

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have ordered on the Internet, but they cannot open the doors. It is

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crazy we have these double standards. It is a changing pick and

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you are right about some of the small anomalies. But there has to be

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some break in the week in the sense you get people the chance to have a

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rest. The what about the workers in big supermarkets, why just them? We

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have to protect people, give them the chance to have that rest time

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otherwise it is just like any other day. People wouldn't have a choice,

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it would be part of a shift system? You would have to work certain

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Sundays? We already have protection in the law for people who do not

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want to work on a Sunday, don't have too. I don't propose to change that

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law, but many people do want to work on Sundays. When I was a student and

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I wanted to earn extra money, I would have loved ASDA to be able to

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open longer so I could do longer hours. Do you still get paid more

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for working on a Sunday? Not always. Should Parliament 's sit on a

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Sunday? I don't have a problem, I work on a Sunday. Journalists work

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on, lots of people do. Bus drivers, train drivers. TV presenters,

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absolutely. Why should we just make an exemption for people in big

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supermarkets? A recent poll found 77 people -- 77% of people did not want

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to change? That was asked by a union and you have to ask what the

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question was. If I was to ask a question to say should you be able

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to go out to the shop at any time to buy what you wanted, I would find

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70% would say yes. It is how the question is framed. It was quite a

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battle to change the law in the first place. Several unsuccessful

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attempts. Including the night of the Libyan bomber raid, if I remember

:26:55.:26:55.

right? Yes, you are right. The option contained three options

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within it and Parliament was able to vote in the options and that is how

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we got it through. Looking at the support you have had, it is pretty

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small. Parliament does not seem of a mind to do this at the moment? Lots

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of people in Parliament think, they think what I think but are not

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prepared to put their heads above the parapet. I know it is a

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surprise! I would like to think the political parties with the more

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courageous over this. Garden centres are treated as a big supermarket

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where many garden centres are very small businesses, just because they

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are in a large area, they are restricted from opening. We should

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do something to correct those kind of anomalies. Where is Joe? Here I

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am. I survived the two jobs. And here's Jo back from the Green,

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because she wanted to find JFK was only sworn in once having

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one the presidential election in 1960, against... Sorry, are you

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talking to me? Richard Nixon. Press the red button. Mark Stevens

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from Kent. That is it. Thanks to our guests.

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The one o'clock news is starting on BBC One. We will be back tomorrow at

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11:30 a.m.. We are on for an hour. Make sure you join as then. Goodbye

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for now.

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