02/07/2014 Daily Politics

Morning folks, and welcome to the Daily Politics.

It's been a busy week for Labour, they've been setting out their pitch

But they've not exactly been helped by a string of criticisms

from people who are meant to be their friends.

We'll look at what all the parties have cooking to help the economy.

There's plenty to talk about at PMQs,

from Labour's internal critics to the Tories' reliance on big donors.

We'll bring you all the action live at midday.

Is it time to finally allow shops to sell you whatever you want,

We're speaking to one MP who rejects the old arguments

Those who prefer quieter Sundays or to go to church can do so, those

that want to shop should not be restricted.

And it's a little-known downside to life as an MP,

I'll bring be speaking to two politicians who've tangled with

ferocious pets on the campaign trail.

Not Molly, though? No, she's an angel. She's French, she's not so

keen on UKIP. And with us for the show we have

the MP who's appeared more on We've checked and it's official,

it's the Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury Chris Leslie. He's been

on so often He must have a kitchen full, or a

stand where he sells them. He hasn't been on since last year,

probably because he's been too busy making

cameo appearances on Newsnight. Welcome to the show,

and don't worry Michael, we're quite used to politicians not

answering the questions. You don't normally ask them 12

times. Because we know it gets us nowhere!

All the new MEPs elected in May have been meeting in

Strasbourg for the first time, and yesterday saw the opening of the new

Not everybody joined in the general sense of bonhomie

and joie de vivre however, the UKIP MEPs, led by leader

Nigel Farage, turned their backs as an orchestra played Beethoven's

Ode to Joy, the unofficial anthem of the European Union.

Conservatives in the chamber sat quietly, while most MEPs stood.

Well, with Jean-Claude Juncker firmly in place to be president

of the EU Commission, the jockeying has begun to see which countries get

Britain wants one of the big economic portfolios, but an

unnamed aide to Jean-Claude Juncker quoted in the papers this morning

says the UK will only get a big job if it puts forwards a candidate with

Michael Howard, after the public criticism, how strong do you think

David Cameron's negotiating position is? I think it's stronger. He has

made it absolutely clear that he will stand up for what he believes

in. That he will fight for what he believes in. That, when he says the

European Union has to reform, if we are to remain members, he means it.

He is not bluffing. I think a lot of people in Europe thought previously

it was bluffing and there was no real prospect of the UK leaving the

European Union. I think now they have woken up and smell the coffee,

and they realise that, actually, there is a possibility of it

happening. What about getting a candidate for one of those plum

roles? Do you think that is likely when aides are also talking about

revenge against David Cameron, they want a serious candidate with an

open mind about that EU, who would that be? Would it be you? I think

that is unlikely. But not out of the question? I think there is a desire

in Europe to keep Britain in. I don't think anybody will be in the

business of humiliating the United Kingdom. I think they want us in. I

think that they will be making serious efforts to keep us in, which

is a very good thing. We heard from one member of the European

Commission saying it would be an thinkable for Britain to leave the

EU. Stretching and olive branch? I think that is stretching the spin of

David Cameron beyond what most people would think. If you wanted to

shape the European Union in a constructive way, make sure that we

dealt with some of the bureaucracy and waste, get to grips with some of

the forms we have to do, the only way of doing that is pitching in and

building alliances. It is a matter of embarrassment, not private, that

it was only Hungary that was left with David Cameron at that

particular time. Of course the Prime Minister is going to come back and

try to tout -- tubthump. Really, to be left without those alliances does

not bode well for the reforms we need in Europe. We have been talking

to the business community about this particular issue. They are very

concerned indeed about our place in this large trading bloc, making sure

that business and jobs are safeguarded for the future. That is

what now matters. Forgive me, I got the impression that your lot didn't

want Jean-Claude Juncker either? So, how would you have invented that?

Because you actually engage with the other members. There is nothing

wrong with putting up a fight, even losing. But you can't, in any way,

say that this was a successful negotiation when he was left with

only one I. It was embarrassing. How on earth would you suggest you could

have done any better? You had the same objective, David Cameron tried

to build alliances. He didn't! He was grandstanding throughout the

whole thing. Let's go to the referendum that Labour keep saying

they are not going to offer. Is that still the case? Any guarantee there

will not be that offer for the election next year? I don't think

anybody is going to have an in-out referendum... The promise of an

election? We have said we don't think it is required before you have

a proposal on the table to maybe have a treaty change. So, no,

despite what Unite has said, your big financial backer, who says that

Labour need to offer an in-out referendum? There are lots of views

on this issue. Unite have their views for their members. As far as

the Labour Party is concerned, we want to put the best interests of

the country first. You are sure you are not looking at flats in

Brussels? Quite sure. Have you been asked? No. And you would say no? If

I am asked, I will think about it and you will be the first to know.

I'm going to Brussels next week, shall I bring you back an estate

agent brochure? No thanks. Leave him alone! He didn't say no. I didn't

say yes. Neither did Michael Lansley on this programme. Where am I?

Back in the 90s it was dubbed the prawn cocktail offensive, as senior

Labour figures in opposition wooed big business over lunch in the City.

And it worked, even if prawn cocktails themselves had actually

Well this week Labour's been trying to tickle the tastebuds

of business leaders once again, and it's looking like a big battleground

JoCo can tell us what the parties have got cooking.

All the parties know they need to win the support of business if

they're to be trusted to show they can serve up a recipe for economic

success At the moment the polls on who voters trust to handle the

economy show that's a problem for Labour, they trail by 12 points.

Which has been some food for thought for the Labour policy team.

So this week the party have been positioning themselves

as the party that's pro-business, but not business-as-usual.

Top of the menu are lower business rates and plans to

devolve ?30 billion of spending to boost growth outside London.

For the Tories, their dish du jour is their long-term economic plan,

and they say they're helping firms by cutting their national insurance

Finally, the Lib Dems might be stuck in the kitchen with the Tories,

but they boast that in government they've targeted investment

in key sectors like manufacturing as well as creating a record number

It's been a big week for Labour announcements

but they haven't been helped by mutterings within the party.

Today, two former advisors to Tony Blair, Patrick Diamond and Lord

Roger Liddle have been among the critics, saying Labour will not win

You think they are anti-business, Labour? I don't think they are an

anti-business party, the point we are making is that Labour cannot

afford to be positioned as anti-business, because any

successful government in Britain today needs to have successful

businesses are part of its policy agenda, to provide the jobs, wages

and business standards that people across the country need. And also to

generate the wealth and the investment that we need to maintain

high quality public services. You clearly think they haven't been

sending out the right messages, let's look at some of the things

they have been talking about. They are making a virtue of supporting

small and medium businesses rather than big corporations. Has that been

a mistake? The point we make is that there are dangers in drawing

distinct differences between businesses. There is nothing

inherently virtuous about small or medium-sized us must, as against a

large business. They are all employers, they are necessary to

give quality jobs, good wages and living standards. To draw a

distinction between predatory and responsible capitalism is

problematic. How do you enforce that? We need to make sure

regulators bear down on bad business behaviour, but we should proceed

from the assumption that business is part of the solution, rather than

part of the problem. What should Labour do? They need to set out a

positive agenda for business, the idea of a progressive capitalism.

What makes capitalism progressive, as opposed to just capitalism, it

would be a private-sector enterprise that provides more high-quality

jobs, which provides rising living standards and rising wages. It would

also be a dynamic capitalism that provides the investment that we need

to provide good quality public services, a high-quality NHS, good

quality education and so forth. There are various ways of doing

that. Some of those have been discussed by the Labour Party this

week. Devolution of power to cities, more emphasis on training, more

emphasis on innovation and using education to innovate and produce

products and services of the future. These are all important. There are

emphasised areas, such as giving options of employee ownership. These

can be part of a pro-business agenda. He said the new Labour model

was shaken to its core. Do you agree with Ed Balls that the third Way has

failed? There were major problems with the new Labour approach of the

1990s. One of those has been much discussed, the failure to

effectively regulate the financial sector and the banks. That remains a

major issue. Another problem that was clearly evident in the new

Labour years was that there was not a proactive, industrial policy until

the final 18 months of the Labour government in the run-up to the 2010

elections. Labour then lost the election. The momentum around having

an active, government led interventionist industrial policy

was lost. All the evidence is, and if you look around the world, the

country succeeding in the global economy today are the countries

where the government plays a really active role in coordinating

investment and innovation. We need that in the UK as well.

Why is it that every time Ed Miliband trundles out a new

initiative, the wheels fall off? Is his office run by a bunch of teenage

incompetents who cannot count? You might be surprised that I would

challenge the premise of that question. It did yesterday? I don't

think you did. We had bold proposals from Andrew Adonis to devolve and

help regional economic development. He leaked in advance figures he

thought showed that the new jobs were being created in London. He was

told the figures were dodgy. He took them out of his speech entirely,

decided to add lead. The speech was then not released. Later, he said he

struck by the figures. If that's not the wheels falling off, what is? I

don't agree with that characterisation. The Centre For

Cities, a well respected think tank, whose job it is to look at economic

development, they pointed out quite rightly that, in the data, when you

love and location of employment, it is the case that Greater London has

had a greater number of jobs created and the rest of the country. That

dataset ended in 2012. We are due to seek the new dataset in 2013. And

the data from the Office of National Statistics ends when? That date is

more recent. I presume it was 2013-14. That ONS data, the

legitimate datasets, they were looking at the residency of where

jobs were created. Let me give you an example. If you are resident in

Saint Albans and you commute into London to work, the ONS data says,

well, that should be located in Hertfordshire. The other set of

statistics say it is actually a job in London. You can dance around on

the head of a pin on these things, but if the Conservatives and our

opponents say there is not a problem with differential regional economic

development, and they think everything is fine, I would say they

are out of touch. Are you saying making it residence and where they

are located, accounts for the difference between 80% of the jobs

created in London and in the last year only 20% of the jobs? The

statistics speak for themselves. They don't, actually. This was about

private sector jobs. How does the Centre for cities, which you are

depending on, designate education jobs? Education jobs? There may be

different data sets from the ONS? No, 40% are in the private sector,

so why would you use figures like that? These were not Labour Party

statistic. It is a separate think-tank, very well respected. Why

is it well respected? They have produced worthwhile analysis. The

figures are two years out of date. The bigger point is, Andrew, do you

believe we have a fine and balanced and sustainable recovery, or do you

believe, as I do, one of the key challenges for the Treasury and the

government is make sure we have a sustained recovery that is balanced

and reaching many parts of the country and helping as many parts of

the country. That is not happening. The scale of the problem is

important. Are the new jobs being created in the private sector in

London or is it 20%? There is still a problem, but it is a problem

between 80% and 20%? There can be conflicting reports, but my view is

there is a problem and we do have the recovery happening in London in

a different way than in Nottingham or in the North East. If it was 20%,

would there be a problem? I believe there is a problem from the

experience I have in my constituency and it totally. In terms of housing

developments, as in this formation. They are not happening in some of

those -- in parts of the country where they say it is happening.

London and the South East over experience I have in my constituency

and it totally. In terms of dominate this country and we need more

balanced growth? We do, but if Ed Miliband stands by the figures, why

did he take them out of his speech? The figures were set out by the

Centre for cities. But he took them out? He wasn't reading the speech,

as I saw it... Ed Balls was on the television on Sunday morning making

great play with these figures. Other Labour spokespeople made great play

with these figures and Ed Miliband had them in the draft of his speech.

He wasn't reading his speech. If you want to use this as a distraction

from the real problem. Feel free, talk about the methodology but you

are denying there is a problem. The bigger issue is the competence of Ed

Miliband. The biggest of all issues is how do we get more economic

growth and better paid jobs outside London and the south-east? What is

the government doing about that? You have two have a long-term plan for

the economy of the country. Unless you get the economy growing, you are

not going to get it spreading to other parts of the country. Michael

Howard, the leaves in long-term plans? If they did not work for

Stalin, how will they work for Howard? I think it is a different

plan. But what the government has succeeded in doing is getting the

economy growing. You have got to get growth and it is growing. That

growth will extend to other parts of the country but the government is

also doing things to reinforce that. Manchester has now an imaginative

plan for investment and infrastructure. It is funded by the

ability to keep part of its tax take. Infrastructure out what is 10%

lower than 2010. You should be embarrassed about that. Let the

market sort this out, is that your plan? We have had to recover from

the crisis your lot brought on in the years leading up to 2010. The

banks cause by crisis. We have managed to get the economy going.

Labour is trying to become more business friendly. It is suggested

some of the things Ed Miliband announced is not a business

friendly. But tonight you will be having a conservative summer party

at a posh, West London private members club, packed with

millionaires. 450 attended last year with a combined wealth of ?11

million and tables cost ?12,000 each. You are in their pockets. We

are not in their pockets, Tony Blair hosted similar kinds of parties. The

truth is, the gap between the two major parties now is bigger than it

has ever been since 1983 when I entered Parliament. Then you had

Margaret thatcher as leader of the Conservative Party and Michael foot

as leader of the Labour Party. Tony Blair change that. It must be

embarrassing for Chris who was cheering New Labour, to be in a

position to have the Labour Party proclaiming to do all sorts of

things which are nothing to do with New Labour, which would ring back

old Labour. But how can you, the Conservatives, criticise Labour's

ties with the unions when you will be having dinner tonight with people

with a combined wealth of INXS of ?11 million, paying ?12,000 for a

table to rub shoulders with the Prime Minister. They don't have any

influence on policies. How do we know that? I don't seem to remember

in the budget, they will all be there at this posh club tonight? I

have no idea who will be there. Are you going? No, I am not. Let me

remind everyone of something. The latest figures were pointed out by

George Osborne in the budget and they show that income inequality in

this country has been diminishing since 1986. It shows it has been

decreasing since 1986 and the highest earners pay a hugely

disproportionate... They are doing very well. Why have we got

Mandelson, minus, Glassman and Cruddas, why are they attacking your

boss? I don't think they are attacking. You heard Morris Glassman

on the radio characterising... He said he was taken up a short Ali for

a long walk. They are anxious they want to see the Labour government

succeed and we have the right credible offer on policies that will

make a difference. We are in a position where we are heading

towards the general election dash it is going to be close. Your interview

with Patrick Diamond, I did not disagree with anything he said. Are

they being helpful? Lots of people have advice. There is plenty of ice

for Ed Miliband, but he will make his decisions. Are they being

helpful? Plenty of people will have their views on these things. Some

people will be less helpful, but he will make the judgement as the

leader and he has shown he is capable. You will be familiar with

what happened there, not answering the question. I did answer the

question, you did not like what I said. I will give you one more

chance, are they being helpful? Some are being helpful, some are being

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the BBC's deputy political editor, In recent weeks, Ed Miliband has had

an open goal and not found the back of the net. Today, David Cameron has

an open goal, but makes it dangerous for him? Everybody is expecting him

to score, he has power and weight. With these quotations he has ready

to throw from John Cruddas, Morris Glassman or whoever, sometimes you

can get as a Prime Minister, too bogged down in the quotes. You just

need one or two real killers. If I was Ed Miliband, I would do anything

to avoid it and make it harder for Ed Miliband -- the Prime Minister. I

would go on issue like the NHS or something foreign. Given the economy

is going to be the biggest question, less than nine months away, it says

something if the leader of the opposition cannot go on the economy?

That is a continuing refrain from David Cameron, whenever Ed Miliband

does not talk about the economy, he will pick up on that. What about

these people who say about these Labour grandees queueing up like the

scene in the film, aeroplane, to hit him with a baseball bats, thump

him. Remember that? Why is that, he is ahead in the polls? It is

frustration. Frustration among some of the thinkers their policy ideas

are not being translated into policy. Also frustration that some

say Labour's inability to get their message across. There is no

narrative, no story tying together the policies. Objectively you could

say Ed Miliband does have a story, but not one that has resonated with

the electorate. I will tell you a story, we are going to PMQs.

Rovers deal is a key sign of prosperity? Will he do all he can to

haste and the completion of this deal? --

I know how passionately she feels about this important development. I

know she will feel delighted that the judge in question has dismissed

the judicial review, so we hope that this paves the way for the

supermarket and stadium to be built. Not only would this mean a

new home for Bristol Rovers, it will mean more growth and better

infrastructure for Bristol. Ed Miliband.

It is four years since the Prime Minister announced his top-down NHS

organisation. Since then, can he tell us if the number of people

having to wait more than a guaranteed two months for cancer

treatment has got better or worse? The number of people being treated

for cancer has gone up by 15%. We are meeting the key waiting time

targets, particularly for accident and emergency, that we met for

April, even though he predicted a crisis. That was a specific question

I asked about cancer treatment. The Prime Minister did this

reorganisation and said things would get better. MacMillan Cancer Support

warned that more lives are being put at risk. Cancer Research UK says it

is not just a missed target, some patients are being failed. They have

missed the target for the first time ever for cancer treatment. Is he

telling the two most respected cancer charities that they are wrong

and things are getting better? We introduced for the first time ever a

Cancer Drugs Fund, treating 50,000 people. That is what is happening.

The number of people being treated for cancer is up 15%. This is in

stark contrast with Wales, where Labour are in charge. They shake

their heads, but the fact is that Labour is in charge of the NHS in

Wales and they have not met a cancer target there since 2009! Actually,

he is wrong about that. In Wales, more patients start cancer treatment

within 62 days than in England. We know why he wants to talk about

Wales, because he cannot defend his record in England. Wasn't it

interesting that on the cancer treatment target, you could not

pretend things were getting better, but he could not admit they were

getting worse. In the four years since his organisation, have the

number of people waiting more than the guaranteed four hours in A got

better always? We have met our waiting time targets for accident

and emergency. Let me tell him exactly how long people are waiting.

The average waiting time, when the shadow secretary of state was

secretary of state, the average waiting time 77 minutes. Under this

government it is 30 minutes. That is what has happened under this

Government. Let me admit to a mistake. I have just said that

Labour have not met a cancer treatment target in Wales since

2009. I'm afraid I was wrong. They have not met that since 2008. Of

course, in Wales, there is no Cancer Drugs Fund. There has been an 8% cut

to the budget. People are dying on waiting lists and Labour are

responsible. He asks me to defend my record over the last four years. I

will. There are 7000 more doctors. There are 4000 more nurses. There is

over 1000 more midwives. We are treating over 1 million more

patients each year. Whereas the NHS and Labour have the disgrace of

Mid-Staffs, you can now see the NHS being properly invested in and

properly improving. I will tell him about our record on the NHS, the

shortest waiting times ever. More doctors and nurses than ever before.

The highest patient satisfaction ever. That is Labour's record on the

NHS. It was a long time ago, he did not answer the question, it is a

target that he set for four our waiting in A Let me give him the

figures for his four our waiting target. Before reorganisation, the

number of people waiting more than four hours was 353,000. After his

reorganisation, it has risen to 939,000. That is an increase of

300%. Is that better or worse? The average waiting time is down by more

than half, that is better. But he doesn't have to listen to me, he can

listen to the Shadow Health Secretary, who said this. He said,

this is the best health service in the world. That is what he said. He

was quoting the Commonwealth report, an independent organisation

which ranked the United Kingdom, for the first time, under this

government, as having the best health service anywhere in the

world. Better than America, better than Germany, better than France. He

says it was his record, this has only happened under this

government! I can tell him why it has happened under this government.

Mixed sex wards virtually abolished. Millions more treated. A Cancer

Drugs Fund, more doctors, more nurses, more midwives and more

people being treated. And, it's official, the best NHS in the world.

It is this party that created the NHS. Every time, we have to save it

from that lot opposite. Once again, he didn't answer the question. More

people are waiting more than four hours in A What about those

people that are so serious they need a bed in hospital? Since his

organisation, has the amount of people waiting four hours on

trolleys, something he said he would get rid of, got better or worse?

People are waiting less time than under the last Labour government. We

remember what the last Labour government gave us. The disgrace of

Mid-Staffordshire, for which they have never properly apologised. What

they said about our plans, we have put ?12.7 billion extra into the

NHS. Their view was that it was irresponsible. They oppose reform to

the NHS. You can see the effect in Wales. No reform, no money, longer

waiting lists, no targets met, people dying on waiting lists under

a Labour government. He can't answer the basic questions about his own

targets in the NHS. I can tell him, the number of people waiting on

trolleys for more than four hours has gone up from 61,000, up to

167,000 on his watch. Mr Speaker, he promised the reorganisation in the

NHS would make things better, it made things worse. Worse on access

to cancer treatment, worse on A weights, worse on GP access. The NHS

is getting worse on his watch and there is only one person to blame,

him. Honestly, if he can't do better than that, even on the NHS, he

really is in trouble. What is happening under this government,

millions more patients treated, a Cancer Drugs Fund for the first time

ever, the Health Service ranked the best in the world. We know what he

would do. We have heard from the director of policy. He said this,

there will be no interesting ideas that will emerge from Labour's

policy review, that's official. His gurus come out, and say that he has

no vision. Yesterday, you miss quotes statistics, gets them

completely wrong. The factory he speaks in, the managing director

says Labour's policy would be a bureaucratic nightmare. I would say

to the people looking glum behind him, cheer up, folks, it's only

Wednesday! Good to be back, Mr Speaker. Sheryl

Lee Shannon, a 40-year-old mother was murdered... On the 17th of March

by Paul O'Hara, who, at the time, was out on licence, having murdered

his former partner in 1998. The introduction of Clare's Law, or the

right to know, to find out if your partner has a history of violence,

in this case she did know of this history, must be backed up by

support, both by police and the privation service, so those in this

situation no of the potential dangers they face, so we will not

see another tragedy like the death of Sheryl Lee. It is good to see my

honourable friend back in his place. He makes an important point, the

introduction of Clare's Law has made a real difference. It gives people

the right to the information about potential dangers from a partner.

I'm proud of the fact that has now been rolled out across the country.

He's absolutely right, we need to do more with the police and the

privation service, the prison service, to make sure more warnings

are given in more cases. The Prime Minister will be aware of the

housing crisis in London. Is he aware of his colleague's the member

for Newbury's distinctive contribution? Through his family

firm he has brought up the New Era Estate... The honourable lady will

be heard, however much it takes. Families in Hackney are facing

seeing their rent driven up and facing eviction, being put on the

street. Under the activities of the member for Newbury's firm, is that

the Prime Minister's idea of compassionate conservatism? We know

that we need to see more houses built, and we have seen 41,000 over

the last year, over a fifth of those in London. We need more

house-building and therefore we will see more affordable rent, both in

the social sector and the private sector as well. One in three of our

nuclear test veteran's descendants have been born with a serious

medical condition. Given the cross-party campaign, recognition,

not compensation, including a payment into a charitable fund, will

the Prime Minister now clear the logjam, recognise the veterans and

finally resolve the shameful chapter in our nuclear history? Let me pay

tribute to my honourable friend, who has campaigned consistently on this

issue in the house and outside it. He and I have discussed it. I'm

happy to tell the house that this government recognises and is

extremely grateful to all of this service personnel that participated

in the nuclear testing programme. We should be no doubt that their

selfless contribution made sure that the UK is equipped with a deterrent

that we need. I have asked officials to look again at the specific points

and oddments he has made and I will come back him as soon as possible.

Last Saturday I spoke to two my 93-year-old constituent who served

as a merchant seaman throughout the Second World War. He said he never

thought he would live to see the day in this country when people in work

would still not have enough money to live on. What does the Prime

Minister say to Keith? Is it simply that this Tory Government makes the

rich richer and everybody else poorer? Or is it just the inevitable

consequence of his long-term economic con? The first thing I

would say is that I am proud to lead a government that has seen the basic

state pension increased by ?15 a week under this government, helping

his constituent. In terms of how we help people in work, what we need to

do is create more jobs. We've seen 2 million under this government. The

second thing we need to do is cut taxes. Under this government, you

can earn under ?10,000 before you pay income tax. It is that that is

at the heart of the economic plan. brutal murders of three girls,

mostly by Hamas. Does the Prime Minister agreed that far from

showing restraint, Israel must do everything possible to take out

Hamas terrorist networks and will he give the Israeli government support

in this? What I would say to my honourable friend, who I know is

passionate about these issues, this was an inexcusable act of terror and

one can only imagine the effect on the families and friends of these

teenagers. It is important Britain will stand with Israel as it seeks

to bring to justice, those who are responsible. We welcome that

President of Bass has condemned the abduction and will help to find this

people. All security operations have to be done with care, but the people

who perpetrated this should be brought to justice. In 2011, the

Prime Minister said waiting lists matter, so why are there 3 million

on ever lengthening waiting lists, the highest for six years? And what

does the Prime Minister said to Catherine Sinclair, a constituent of

mine, 33 weeks she has been waiting in pain or a hip operation. Does she

matter? He needs to look at the figures and the figures show the

numbers waiting longer than 18 weeks, 26 weeks to start treatment,

they are lower today than they ever were when the shadow Chancellor was

sitting in government. We have the record yesterday of the leader of

the opposition using dodgy statistics. Yesterday he claimed

that three quarters of the jobs in our country were created in London.

That is totally wrong! Have we heard an apology? Have we heard a

correction? He will do anything to talk down the British economy. The

Prime Minister is aware, because I have raised this issue with him

before, my long-standing campaign for serious investment in rail

service from Penzance and the council proposal for train upgrade

and my petition which I delivered to this House in support of that

campaign. Will the Prime Minister visit my constituency with his

cheque-book and favourable announcement? I intend to spend a

lot of time in his constituency between now and the next election

and I will be bringing all sorts of good news for the people of St Ives.

Germany has three times as many apprentices as the UK. The number of

young apprentices have fallen. Long-term youth unemployment in

Dudley is twice the national average and we will only attract secure and

better jobs if we make education and skills a priority. Will the Prime

Minister make a start in ensuring every public sector procurement

contract secures apprenticeship places? If he looks at the figures

for Dudley North, he will find the claimant count is down by 20%. He

will find the youth claimant count is down by 21% in the last year. The

long-term youth claimant count is down by 28%. The fact is, in the

West Midlands, things are getting better. More people in work, more

jobs being created. He should be celebrating Dudley, rather than

running it down. The Prime Minister will be aware of the tragic death of

my three-year-old constituent, Sam Morris from sepsis. He was failed by

his GPs, out-of-hours services, hospital, the primary care trust and

the ombudsman. It must not happen again. Will the Prime Minister

ensured the ombudsman was macro recommendations are implemented in

full. To deliver proper transparency in a timely way. This family waited

two years for justice. The honourable lady is absolutely right

to raise this tragic case and thoughts should be with his parents.

It is shocking and saddening to see a whole succession of health

services failing this family. Anyone who lost a child and lost a child by

Young knows how harrowing and dreadful it is. We must learn

lessons from this case, make sure they are acted on. Last week we

launched a major safety campaign to prevent these tragic and sadly

avoidable deaths. At the Tory summer Ball, the Defence Secretary was sat

with a lobbyist for the governments of Bahrain. Can the Prime Minister

tell others if they discussed the fact Bahrain is still not regarded

by the Foreign Office as a human rights country of concern? The

Labour Party had to get one trade union to write one cheque for ?14

billion. When you look at the candidates the Labour Party has

got, when you take out of the mix we have the son of Tony Blair, son of

Jack Straw, son of John Lescott. You will find 80% of the candidates are

union sponsored. They bought the candidates, bought the policy and

they bought a leader. We must never let them near the country. Thank you

Mr Speaker. The number of NEATS in my constituency has fallen thanks to

a joint project. Will the Prime Minister congratulate those for that

success and urge more MPs to get involved. Recognising the great

value and if lended wisely? He is right. There is an interest across

this House because all parties are committed to making the local

enterprise partnerships work, not to go back to the old regional

development agencies. It is important local enterprise agency is

our business lead and it is important they are strong in all

parts of the country. MPs can play a role in encouraging promising

businessmen and women to get involved. Can I take the Prime

Minister back to the question of the private rented sector? Across London

there are thousands of family, people at work, people on benefits

who are frightened of rent increases, frightened of short-term

tenancy and frightened of the consequences for themselves and

their children of being evicted and forced to move out of the area in

which they have lived. It is social cleansing in parts of London and it

is coming to the rest of the country. Can he give an assurance

there will be serious consideration about the need to bring back rent

control in this country to protect people to ensure they have somewhere

secure and decent to live. Where I would agree with honourable

gentleman, there is a need for greater transparency for the work of

letting agents in terms of fees. There is a need for longer term

tenancies, but in the end we must allow the customer to choose what

they want. Where I part company with him, is the idea of introducing rent

controls. Every time they have been tried, they have failed and that is

not just my view. It is the view of Labour's own Shadow Housing Minister

who says she does not think rent controls will work in practice.

Perhaps he needs to have a word with her before coming on to me? In the

1983 general election, a 13-year-old boy delivered leaflets around my

constituency, pledging that Michael that would out of the European

Union. Does my right honourable friend find it strange the same boy

now leader of the Labour Party, isn't willing to either support

re-negotiation of written's terms of membership of the EU or pledged

support to trust the people of Britain in a referendum on our

membership in the European Union? I have always thought it is unfair to

hold against people things they might have done in their youth! As a

14-year-old, if that was his idea of fun, we have two make room for

everybody. The point is this, it is in the interests of the British

people to have a renegotiation. What is my idea of fun, it is not hanging

out with the Shadow Chancellor. So, I feel sorry for the leader of the

opposition because he has two hang out with him all of the time. What a

miserable existence, to have sitting next to you, the person who wrecked

the British economy and have to listen to them as they say to the

people of great Britain, we crashed the car, give others the keys back!

The uncertainty surrounding the future of Scotland and the UK has

resulted in many of the business community in Scotland with holding

significant investment. Does the Prime Minister agreed there is a

moral responsibility on employers to inform their employees of any

consequences over the separation from the UK so they can make a prior

choice before the referendum? A huge amounts of pressure is put on

businesses by the Scottish Government with threats and warnings

if they speak out and say what they believe is the truth. I have come

across business leaders in Scotland who want to keep the United Kingdom

together and think it is crazy to have border control, different

currencies and split up the United Kingdom. I would urge them to speak

out, talk about the strength of the United Kingdom and vote to keep it

together. This weekend the city's towns and villages of Yorkshire will

be alive to cries of the Tour de France. As it passes through the

counties. Will the Prime Minister join in the doozy as with people of

the race taking part it is a wonderful legacy to build for

cycling and encourages people to get on their bikes? Ie agree it is

brilliant it is starting in Yorkshire and it will be a fantastic

event for our country. It is a great advert for Yorkshire. I am looking

forward to going to see the race and some of the preparations. It will be

a magnificent event and I will do everything I can to promote it,

apart from wearing lycra! Will the Prime Minister make it illegal for

recruitment agencies to advertise overseas jobs or this country unless

they advertise locally also? The short answer is yes. We are saying

employment recruitment agencies to advertise

overseas jobs or this agencies cannot do that. They

overseas jobs or this country unless they advertise cannot advertise jobs

abroad and we are doing everything to stop that. We have a ?12 billion

tourism deficit in this country, the deficit of people who go overseas

and the people who come here. One of the reasons is the high VAT rates on

accommodation and attractions. Will the Prime Minister look at that to

make sure that is not what is driving up the deficit? He is right

to promote the South West as a holiday destination. The restoration

of the transport links has been vital. It is difficult to have

differential rates of VAT on some of these things but everything we can

do to promote the UK as a holiday destination, including the fact that

Tour de France is coming this weekend, we should do. Cancer

Research UK has just launched a strategy in tailoring treatment of

individuals which will prove more effective in combating the disease.

How will the Prime Minister ensure the NHS is in a position to access

radiotherapy and drugs are available to all regions of Great Britain and

Northern Ireland? The Cancer Drugs Fund has been a breakthrough, not

just making available drugs, but also important treatments. I hope

other parts of the United Kingdom will take this up. The other thing

we can do is to make sure that we are sequencing gene owns as fast as

we can so we can carry out the research necessary to see which

cancer drugs will be effective on which patients, according to their

DNA. This will be the modern way to do tailored medicine and Britain is

ahead of the pack on this in terms of making sure we invest in our

universities and sciences as well as the NHS. I have two young

constituents who owned 108 properties -- one of the 108

properties in rugby as part of the Help to Buy scheme. But the fact

they now enjoy their own home and have made a start on the housing

ladder, demonstrates this government support for those who want to work

hard and get on? I join him in congratulating his constituents,

because Help to Buy scheme is working to get people the housing

ladder. It is enabling people who don't have rich parents who cannot

afford a big deposit but can afford the mortgage to buy the House or

flat they want. We have seen 30,000 people taking advantage of this

scheme and it is hoping to kick-start investment in housing. Is

the Prime Minister aware that on the question of the national health

service, and as an outpatient, which I have two visit on a regular

basis, I hear from the front line about the problems in the health

service. Nurses have lost quite a considerable amount in their real

pay. The A are bursting at the seams. Then there is the question of

almost every hospital in Britain that is running into financial

difficulties. As a member of the Bollington club, is he proud to be

surrounded by this wreckage? Remember, it is his legacy, not

ours. Stop blaming the opposition. Get it done, all get out! I just

think the picture the honourable gentleman paints is wrong. There are

more people going to A, over a million more people going to A in

our country but we are meeting targets and waiting times are down

by a half. There are 4000 more nurses in the NHS than when I first

stood here. There are 7000 more. Does and we have cut the number of

administrative staff, the bureaucrats we were left with by the

party opposite, 19,000 fewer than those and that is why we can treat

patients with more clinical staff. A record we can be proud of. It is

thanks to our long-term economic plan, ?200 million has been

allocated to the biting potholes, 3.3 million in Northampton North.

Doesn't that infrastructure investment mean it is only

Conservatives that have a plan that puts Britain on the road to

recovery, where as the Labour Party would drive this country's economy

off a cliff? I think my honourable friend is justified in taking a lot

of credit for the work that has been done on potholes because he has

raised this at every forum in this House over and over again. Northants

got ?3.3 million specifically to spend on repairing roads and it can

fill in 62,000 potholes! It is important because it damages cars,

motorbikes and cycles on their way to work. Mending potholes is good

for working families. Arthur Jones, a 73-year-old Army veteran from

Denbigh in my constituency went hill walking in Crete. He has not been

seen since June 19. His family are frantic with worry. Will the Prime

Minister ensure the FCO continued their excellent work and cooperate

with the Greek woman to make sure he is found? I will certainly do

everything I can to help him with his constituents and have

discussions with the Foreign Office. to an end. If you are wondering

where Jo is, she has to about a dog. That leaves me to talk through Prime

Minister's questions. Dominated by the Leader of the Opposition

deciding to go on the NHS. the Leader of the Opposition

deciding to go on the A number of factual questions thrown at the

Prime Minister, asking for certain statistics, which the Prime

Minister, by and large, answered by answering a different question about

different statistics. You probably saw that theme early on in the Daily

Politics, setting a precedent for Prime Minister's Questions. Anyway,

we will come back to the significance of why Ed Miliband

should go on the NHS in a moment. This is what you thought about it.

Mr Jenkins says, why doesn't Cameron answer the questions instead of

skirting around the subject? John Maxwell says, when will Ed Miliband

know not to throw NHS statistics around? Another viewer says,

Miliband fails again, he never wants to talk money because they don't

have a clue. But Mr Dawson says that David Cameron is out of his depth,

Ed Miliband trounced him. There you go, roughly split. If anything,

possibly a slight vote in favour of Miliband. The Leader of the

Opposition is at his strongest in these exchanges when he comes well

briefed with the fact is. Assuming that, on this occasion, the facts

are correct. The figures that he gave for people waiting more than

two months, the length of time in A, those having to wait for beds

in trolleys before they get them. The Prime Minister really didn't

confront any of these figures? No, I think what we got today was a

flavour of the general election campaign. It's going to be fought

over statistics, which will get incredibly boring and compacted did.

I think a lot of it will have to confusion, rather than clarity. --

complicated. Clearly, we saw Ed Miliband thinking that this was an

area he was comfortable in. It's like the issue on Question Of Sport.

Do you play home or away? What do you feel comfortable about? He feels

strong on the NHS, he feels the Government are weak on it because of

their organisation. A lot of statistics can be used. David

Cameron did not answer all of those questions. Yet, I think the Prime

Minister also showed, he was not that defensive about it, he was

prepared to take him on on the issue. The interesting point is that

this is supposed to be Labour's economy week, and yet Ed Miliband

chose to go on the NHS. Why would you go on an issue when you are

already well ahead on the polls, on the NHS, where people prefer Labour?

From my postbag, looking at what constituents are raising, there is a

growing problem, not just with A, not just with GPs, waiting time, not

just getting community care beds, social services and so forth. It

means if you look at what has been happening in May, June, some of the

recent statistics, it's not just the winter crisis that we normally talk

about, it is becoming a summer crisis. This is something that the

public are very concerned about. They do love their NHS. They wanted

to be supported, cared for and cherished. They know that the

top-down reorganisation, putting emphasis on competition rather than

quality of care, it's very unpopular and causing significant problems.

People were mystified by what the reorganisation meant. At some

stages, even the Prime Minister seems mystified. It's going to be

quite hard to show any great benefit from it, come the election? I don't

know, these things take time before the full effects work through. It

started four years ago? I know, but it takes a considerable length of

time. What puzzles me is that Labour may be ahead in the polls, it's

remarkable that Ed Miliband couldn't mention the economy in Labour's

economic week, but Labour did not promise up and -- promise at the

next election to ring fence the NHS budget. They would have to control

expenditure in the same way as the Government had to do. The inference

is that they would be spending less money on the Health Service than the

Government. The Government did ring fence at. This is meant to be your

economic week. All of the parties do this, they like to reinforce

messages. You make speeches, you tweet things, you publish

documents. The economy, the economy, the economy. Why would you not go on

the economy this week? Don't think you have to only talk about one

topic at one time. But this is your economic week, that is the topic? Of

course we want a strong economy, Ed Miliband will make another speech on

the economy later this week. The NHS does need to be raised and raised

fiercely with the Prime Minister, who has made all sorts of promises

about detecting health care. And yet, we have seen a real crisis

beginning to develop in an NHS that is under more and more pressure.

People are finding it so difficult, even to see a GP, and they are

having to resort to go to A This is a problem, and of course

ministers want to sweep it under the carpet. It is our job as Her

Majesty's loyal opposition that we are constantly putting to the Prime

Minister concerns of the public. Whether it is the economy, schools

or the NHS. The Prime Minister didn't seem to know some of the

answers to the questions. Mr Miliband asked him how many people

are having to Wade Morgan four hours at A -- wait more than four

hours. He answered with the average rate, but that is not what he was

asked. He didn't seem to know that those not falling in the four our

target, it was 350,000, it is now more than 1 million. But isn't the

average weight most important? Not if you are one of the million... But

you have to look at the picture, about that. Is there any evidence it

was a last-minute change? It seemed to me, certainly until yesterday,

that the economy thing would be the natural thing to go on? I have no

evidence to suggest he made a change at the last minute. We know that

Labour going to make the NHS part of the big summer campaign. What is

interesting, if you talk to the health professionals, if you talk to

MPs, their great fear is that the election campaign is dominated by

conflicting statistics, by a competition for which party is going

to promise a small amount more cash for the NHS, without real debate

about the substantial issues facing the NHS. Namely, the huge lack of

funding and increasing demands on the structure that is simply not

going to be touched by meeting we are going to hear over the next

eight months or so. That is the great fear that a lot of people have

got. Len McCluskey, the general secretary of Unite, one of your

biggest bankroll is, he has issued a statement saying that Labour will be

hostage to fortune if it does not offer an in-out referendum on the

European Union. Len McCluskey has his own views about what Unite

members would want to do. Every organisation, the CBI, the trade

unions and others will make their case. You were talking before about

lots of advice for leaders of political parties and the

opposition. It is our job as a Shadow Cabinet, supporting Ed

Miliband, to make a judgement about what is in the best interests of the

country and the economy. We judge that the uncertainty of David

Cameron's position of Britain's role in Europe is causing great damage to

long-term interest and prospects. You don't have to take it from me,

you know there are plenty in the business community that have

concerns. Len McCluskey says he does not want a referendum because he

thinks Britain should leave, he says, we'd seek a referendum rethink

in order to help get Labour into power. Without such a pledge, our

party will stand exposed. He says in a tight election is to make a

difference. Most people understand that if you do have a change in a

tight election it can make a difference. Most people understand

that if you do have a changing relationship, if there is more

conceiving of sovereignty is, at that point you should give people

the referendum that they want to express their view one. But there is

a lot on the government's plate, locked that the country to face up

to. Putting at risk the very fragile nature of the recovery that we have

got, distracting renegotiations, which David Cameron can't even say,

what is aiming for in his renegotiation, it is a crazy

approach to take. I'm told the real reason he is reluctant to go down

that route is that he doesn't think the public would believe him. David

Cameron commerce is a referendum, the public are still sceptical.

Which is why the Conservatives are desperately finding ways to convince

the public they are serious about it. We are going to have the

Referendum Bill established in law, to try to get this idea out there

that the Conservatives are serious about it. Ed Miliband thinks he

could promise this, not have an electoral pick up and have a huge

problem down the line if he becomes Prime Minister. It is dog awareness

week. I am sure you knew that, if you were not aware of dogs before

now, I don't know what you have been doing.

They say that dogs are man's best friend.

But if you are one of the hundreds of thousands

of workers, whose job involves delivery of knocking on people's

doors, you are likely to also encounter some less friendly Fidos.

I dog is trained to bark at anybody who says long-term economic plan!

Not all dogs are as well-behaved as yours. This week, postal workers,

the Royal mail and some elected representatives have got together to

chew over the issue of dog safety. In the last year, there have been 8%

more attacks by dogs on postmen and post women. Who better to discuss

this canine issue than somebody from Battersea dogs home? Brian Brady is

here with his two glamorous assistants, what are you here for?

This problem of people encountering aggressive dogs when visiting

houses. These two don't look aggressive, but can you be

complacent? They might look calm and now, small dogs, a lot of people

think they are safe. It isn't the case. They have exactly the same

instincts as a bigger dog. They can bite. What advice would you give to

postal workers, MPs out canvassing and sticking their hands to

letterboxes? If you are posting something through a letterbox, use a

peg. Keep your fingers out of the letterbox. A lot of people get

bitten. If you encounter a dog, ignore it as much as you can, don't

approach it. Certainly don't reach out to it. Most people, if they are

bitten, they get bitten on the hand because it comes towards the dog's

face. Let's two MPs who have had some canine encounters. Have you got

any scars? I have a scar on my backside when an Alsatian ran down

the road. It had been acting the goat with another dog. It ran up

behind me and get me. It tore my trousers. Luckily I had my mobile

phone in my pocket. You were saved by the mobile phone? The only came

down and asked if the dog had bitten me. And then asked me to say sorry

to the dog. I don't think the dog can say sorry but I think it might

be appropriate for you to say sorry. But it is a serious issue? It is, I

was caught in a garden, held up by two dogs, that seemed enormous at

the time and when I tried to move, one of them bit me on the forearm. I

had to wait a good ten minutes before they left, so I could leave

the garden. I have a friend who is a postal worker and she had a finger

severely injured while posting the mail. It is a serious issue. I

severely injured while posting the mail. It is a serious issue. say to

dog owners, like myself, look at what your dog does when you are not

there and when the post is being delivered. I was surprised how my

dogs reacted, so I have put a post box on the wall. You are in the

hands of dog owners? That thing is dead from being bitten by a dog

putting my fingers through the letterbox. I now have a short ruler

to put the letters through, but they grab those as well. So I ask for it

back and they say they should not have put the leaflet through the

door. Even I didn't realise it was quite a hazard. We know about postal

workers, I never thought about MPs. Has the law changed to give you

extra protection? You can now be prosecuted if you have a dog that

attacked somebody in the garden. People complain when they don't hear

from politicians, but we have got to look after ourselves as well and

delivering this literature is important. Dog owners, look at how

your dogs behave, perhaps put a box on the wall. It is important people

are able to do their jobs on a day-to-day basis and in a safe way.

But it is the dog owners, it is their responsibility? People should

not be in fear of being attacked? day-to-day basis and in a safe way.

But it is You are right, every responsible dog owner has to take

responsibility. Take all of the measures they can to make sure

people who come to our doors are saved? We can fix baskets on the

inside of the door to catch the letters. Exterior postboxes to the

wall. If you have a dog you know will react to strangers, don't allow

it out to meet someone in the first place. Let's have a look at Millie

and Molly. They don't look like they will go for either of you. Which way

do they vote? They are neutral. Maybe we should keep it that way.

Back to you, Andrew. Any experience of this, Chris Leslie? It is a

serious issue. If you can get your leaflet folded in the right way.

Never put your fingers through the letterbox, it is about strengthening

it. There is a lot of science. It is something which calls for a long

time plan! Now this year marks

the 20th anniversary of the Younger viewers,

and I believe there are a couple, may find it hard to believe that

in England and Wales you couldn't pop out to buy a new sofa, a new TV

or even a VHS player before 1994. Well the Conservative MP Philip

Davies believes that it's time to Shopping has been transformed,

with the click of a button. We can buy more and more,

at any time, from anywhere. In a highly competitive,

globalised world, internet shopping has reformed the consumer market,

allowing us to shop 24 hours a day. So it seems to me

illogical to continue with It is very convenient

for supermarket giants like Tesco, Sainsbury's or Waitrose to say they

do not agree with relaxing or scrapping Sunday trading

restrictions. But their smaller stores are open

longer on Sundays, with inflated prices and fewer products to choose

from, hitting us in the pocket. At the same time, with online

shopping, they offer us home It is hardly fair to say that

certain businesses and shops with a smaller trading area can be

exempted, and employees can work from dawn to dusk, but workers in

these larger retail stores can't. It's nonsensical to hinder

competition in the Sunday market No one would actually be forcing any

retailer or business to be open Likewise, no one is forcing

people to go out shopping. Those who prefer quieter Sundays or

to go to church can just And those who want to shop

should not be restricted. Philip Davies joins us now. Michael

Howard you were Home Secretary in 1994? It came into effect in 1994

and I was Home Secretary but the work of getting it through

Parliament was Peter Lloyd. What is your reaction? To what Philip has

said? I have a lot of sympathy and a lot of the predictions which

accompanied the 1994 act have not come to pass. He has made a very

powerful case. It is a very difficult islands to strike. I would

be a hypocrite to say I do not shop sometimes on a Sunday. But the staff

in the retail sector, it is a different day to the rest of the

week and we should have a reflection of that. So probably I think the

current situation as it stands, it strikes the right balance. How do

you answer that? The employee point. All of these people working from

dawn to dusk are probably sole traders working for themselves, what

about big organisations? The main beneficiaries are Tesco express,

Sainsbury's local, Morrisons, that is what the convenience market looks

like. It is not small traders you describe, Andrew. It is nonsensical

to say Tesco worker in a big store needs the protection Chris is

talking about. But the Tesco worker in a Tesco express is free to work

every hour God sends. It is nonsensical. The current rules are

absurd and unjustifiable. What would you like? The same rules that apply

to the other six days, it should apply to Sunday? Yes, just like in

Scotland. This guy has not fallen in, in Scotland. I am sure if they

tried to reverse it, there would be uproar. People are working in these

big shops, they asked acting shelves ready for opening on Monday morning,

they just cannot open the doors. They are shopping for people who

have ordered on the Internet, but they cannot open the doors. It is

crazy we have these double standards. It is a changing pick and

you are right about some of the small anomalies. But there has to be

some break in the week in the sense you get people the chance to have a

rest. The what about the workers in big supermarkets, why just them? We

have to protect people, give them the chance to have that rest time

otherwise it is just like any other day. People wouldn't have a choice,

it would be part of a shift system? You would have to work certain

Sundays? We already have protection in the law for people who do not

want to work on a Sunday, don't have too. I don't propose to change that

law, but many people do want to work on Sundays. When I was a student and

I wanted to earn extra money, I would have loved ASDA to be able to

open longer so I could do longer hours. Do you still get paid more

for working on a Sunday? Not always. Should Parliament 's sit on a

Sunday? I don't have a problem, I work on a Sunday. Journalists work

on, lots of people do. Bus drivers, train drivers. TV presenters,

absolutely. Why should we just make an exemption for people in big

supermarkets? A recent poll found 77 people -- 77% of people did not want

to change? That was asked by a union and you have to ask what the

question was. If I was to ask a question to say should you be able

to go out to the shop at any time to buy what you wanted, I would find

70% would say yes. It is how the question is framed. It was quite a

battle to change the law in the first place. Several unsuccessful

attempts. Including the night of the Libyan bomber raid, if I remember

right? Yes, you are right. The option contained three options

within it and Parliament was able to vote in the options and that is how

we got it through. Looking at the support you have had, it is pretty

small. Parliament does not seem of a mind to do this at the moment? Lots

of people in Parliament think, they think what I think but are not

prepared to put their heads above the parapet. I know it is a

surprise! I would like to think the political parties with the more

courageous over this. Garden centres are treated as a big supermarket

where many garden centres are very small businesses, just because they

are in a large area, they are restricted from opening. We should

do something to correct those kind of anomalies. Where is Joe? Here I

am. I survived the two jobs. And here's Jo back from the Green,

because she wanted to find JFK was only sworn in once having

one the presidential election in 1960, against... Sorry, are you

talking to me? Richard Nixon. Press the red button. Mark Stevens

from Kent. That is it. Thanks to our guests.

The one o'clock news is starting on BBC One. We will be back tomorrow at

11:30 a.m.. We are on for an hour. Make sure you join as then. Goodbye

for now.