08/07/2014 Daily Politics


08/07/2014

Jo Coburn presents the latest political news, interviews and debate. She is joined by American pollster Frank Luntz.


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To answer questions over the department's handling of historical

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allegations of sexual abuse. The Government has announced two

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separate inquiries to find out if a culture of secrecy allowed serious

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crimes to take place. Many hospitals in England charge for

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car parking. Is it a fair way for the Health Service to make money or

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a stealth tax on the sick? You might be thinking about heading off to the

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great British seaside for your holidays, you will be able to get a

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stick of rock and a donkey ride, but new rules many beaches are about to

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be classified as dirty. The way they cover the news on TV in

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America is well, different what we're used to here. It may seem

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extreme, but is it for money? -- fun?

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You may have heard it is allel rage at Westminster -- all the rage to

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bring in a top adviser from America to sharpen up your image. We don't

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like to be left behind so we got our own hired gun! It is Frank Lunce. We

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have just got him for the next hour! Let's start with the tighter

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security facing air passengers travelling to the US. British

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Airways warned that anyone who can't turn on an electronic device like a

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phone or a tablet will be banned from their flight following warnings

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that Al-Qaeda has developed new types of bomb that could be hidden

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in electronic devices. Do you regard it as a sensible precaution or too

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extreme? Well, I fly over 300,000 miles a year and I'm back and forth

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to Europe five or six times, and I can only imagine what it will do to

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airport security. I have done a fair bit of Middle Eastern travel. The

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challenge we have right now is what is happening in Iraq. You have a

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terrorist organisation, ISIS, that is beyond anything that we have

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experienced in the last 100 years. Or dangerous, more of a threat and

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more random, the violence and the killing is more blood thirsty and it

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is so significant that if anything happens to any plane, we will never

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forgive our Government. Hasn't that been the case at other points in

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history? Is the public behind this in your view? Will they actually

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support this tightening of security as they have done, after 9//11, for

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example, after 7/7 or will they just think we have had enough of this

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increased security and want to get on with our lives and travel where

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we want to when we want to? We expect is 100% success. You have got

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somewhere between # 5% -- 75% and 80% who would support this. It is

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another victory for terrorism. The more hassle that it causes us, the

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more of our freedoms that are given up, the more tragic this becomes,

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but it is a way of life. You say you travel all the time. What has it

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been like? Your flight affected already? It is easier to come here

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than to leave. Heathrow has stronger security. Their rules are stricter

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than in the States. I've done a lot of travel in the Middle East. If you

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do it the right way, you have got to come early, you have got to be

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professional about it, you make sure that your devices are charged, it is

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not that difficult. But I don't like giving up on our freedoms. I don't

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like changing the way that we live because someone doesn't like us or

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how we live. Do you think it is too extreme to stop people boarding the

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flights even if they take their electronic devices away if they

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weren't charged up? I'm not a terrorism expert, but when people

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start to be denied that chance to board, you see, it used to be you

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would have to throw it into your luggage. If they're going to say, if

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you can't turn it on, you can't fly, that's going to be a problem. It is

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time for our quiz. And with the holiday just around the corner,

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today's question is about your summer reading list. Thanks to

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e-books academics say they can work out how many people are finishing

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some of this year's must read titles and it is not many! Which of these

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is least likely to have you reaching for the final page?

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S at the end of the show Frank will give us the correct answer. I think

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it is D. Women I've Loved by Bill Clinton! Thanks for adding that to

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the list. All eyes will be on the top civil

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servant from the Home Office later today when he appears before MPs to

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explain the way allegations of child abuse were handled by the

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department. His boss, Home Secretary, Theresa May, yesterday

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announced two new inquiries, one to look into the handling of documents

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about those allegations passed to the Home Office in the 1980s and a

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second wider inquiry into allegations of abuse in Parliament,

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the BBC, and religious organisations that won't report until after the

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2015 election. Here is Theresa May. I want to set three important

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principles. First, we will do everything we can to allow the full

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investigation of child abuse and the prosecution of its perpetrators and

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we will do nothing to jeopardise those aims. Second, where possible,

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the Government will adopt a presumption of maximum transparency

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and third, presumption of maximum transparency

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and we will make sure that wherever individuals and institutions have

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failed to protect children from harm, we will expose those failures

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and learn the lessons. Theresa May announcing the inquiries yesterday.

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We're joined by our political correspondent, Robin Brant. Robin,

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so Mr Sedwill is going to be questioned and put under the

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spotlight by MPs on the Select Committee. What will the line of

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questioning be? Well, it can be a crucible with Keith Vass in the

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chair. The thrust assuming we don't get the details on the terms of

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reference and the broader remit for the bigger inquiry, the thrust this

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afternoon for Mark Sedwill will be a focus on that letter he send to

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Keith Vass on Saturday which detailed the review that the Home

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Office carried out last year. It began in February. It was headed by

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an inspector from H MI C who was unnamed. It reported in the August.

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Its conclusions were slipped out, but only really were details added

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on Saturday in this letter to Keith Vass and it was that letter that

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revealed that tens of thousands of files had been searched and 114 were

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presumed missing or destroyed or could not be found and we also

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learned on Saturday from this letter that four bits of information which

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had been previously undisclosed had now been turned over to the police

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for further investigation. So there will be questions about you know,

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the person that was brought in to do it. How they did it, the methodology

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of their work. There will be more questions about these 100 plus files

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which have gone missing. He will be asked to explain, I think, Mr

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Sedwill what that means and how could they have gone missing? And he

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referred to the fact that 50% of the files -- 5% of the files initially

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examined had gone missing, but there is no broader explanation for that

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and it is this claim, mixed together with the revelation about missing

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files that is fuelling the conspiracies out there. So the

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thrust of the questions will be about the missing files, the

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methodology, the man who did it and why frankly as well at the time the

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are results were just slipped out and there wasn't more publicity

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given to the results. That is curious as we're now pouring over

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the details as you say that didn't get that much publicity, but what

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about the issue that ministers weren't questioned during the

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review? Will that be enquired upon? It says in the letter no ministers

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were interviewed or questioned. That's partly because Mr Sedwill and

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the man who carried out the investigation wanted to try and keep

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at arm's length from current ministers, my understanding is that

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previous ministers weren't questioned either. There will be

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intrigue about that, because, of course, the man at the centre of

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this and the man who denies any allegation that he dealt with these

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accusations improperly is the Home Secretary at the time. So there will

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be questions as I said, not just about the remit and the way the

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methodology, the work that was done, but frankly if ministers sitting or

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past weren't questioned, what are the validity of the conclusions

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reached last summer? Mark Sedwill said having a review of a review.

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We're going to get the name of a QC who will help Peter Wanless with

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that, but he said the reason for that was to check that the

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conclusions remain sound and valid and quayed Vass and others -- Keith

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Vass and others will say if you didn't question the politicians

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involved or politicians now, the conclusion perhaps isn't sound and

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valid already. Robin, thank you very much. Mark

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Sedwill will be questioned in a few hours time.

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Yesterday, an interview emerged of a former Conservative Whip in which he

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suggested that whips had huge amounts of power over their fellow

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MPs and would protect them from all kinds of scandals. Here is the MP

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who is now dead, speaking in 1995. The scandal involve small boys or

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any kind of scandal which a member seemed likely to be mixed up in,

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they would come and ask if we could help and if we could, we did and we

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would do everything we can because we would store up brownie points.

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That sounds a pretty nasty reason, but it is one of the reasons if we

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can get a chap ot of trouble when he will do as we ask forever more.

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We're joined by the Labour MP who raised that interview during

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yesterday's debate in Parliament. You are shocked by that revelation.

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I was shocked, but not completely surprised, because the thing we know

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about child abuse, it is about trying to exert power over other

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people and what we have seen with the trial involving Rolf Harris and

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Jimmy Savile and other celebrities is people who are in positions of

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power find it particularly easy to cover-up what is happening to their

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victims, their victims feel that they can't come forward because this

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person is incredibly well respected and well-known and so, I wasn't

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hugely surprised that that had happened, but I was obviously

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horrified by it and wanted to raise it with the Home Secretary because

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when we have got an inquiry of this nature now, what we need to make

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sure is firstly, we can get access to any of those records that still

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exist in the Whips' Office. If the systems are still in place that

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conspire to stop the truth coming to light that they must be challenged

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and tackled however uncomfortable is That for political parties, for

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Parliament and the Government. Are you reassured by whatever is

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announced by Theresa May will get to the truth? No, I very much welcome

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the fact she had a change of heart and she has aannounced there will be

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an inquiry, but what concerns me, when I raised this in the House

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yesterday, it transpired it is not clear how this will work. It is not

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clear if those the whips records exist and if they do exist, it is

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not clear who owns them and whether they can be made available in the

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public domain. What this did actually yesterday was it rang alarm

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bells with me and many of my colleagues because these are the

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sort of difficulties that arose over the Hillsborough inquiry and as you

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know, 25 years later, the families are still fighting for justice and

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for the truth to come out and what we cannot afford as a country, in

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terms of public confidence and particularly for child abuse

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survivors is for this to be yet another inquiry that doesn't get to

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the truth. Right, the inquiry which Yvette Cooper asked for, it is vast,

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looking at all sorts of institutions and religious organisations and the

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BBC. Is it going to be any easier to get to the truth there with such a

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big remit? I think it has to have a broad remit because what we have

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seen over recent years is there is no part of the country that is

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untouched by child abuse and I think people working in the field knew

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that already. The point is not that child abuse is happening everywhere,

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the point is as my colleague Nicola Blackwood said last year, it can

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happen anywhere and that's why we need to be extra vigilant and

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actually, for politicians who are in a position of power, our systems

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need to be 110% robust to make sure if there are problems that they come

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to light. What does this do to the institutions that are going to be

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looked at in terms of whether they did enough to protect children from

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abuse? Good for you and don't give you and

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if you don't get the answer, push and push. The key is, don't make it

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Labour, all governments are involved in this. Relugeous institutions have

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been -- religious institutions have been involved in this. If you keep

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it out of politics, the public will say bravo and don't back down. The

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moment it becomes political, that's when the issue becomes we don't

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trust politicians anymore because we believe in cover-ups whether it is

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about money or sex or power, we don't think they're fighting for us,

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we think they're fighting for them. Do you think it will get to the

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bottom of it? Will it bring answers? If MPs like you keep the focus on

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this every week, again and again, it can. If the BBC does, it can and it

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has to because you cannot have this level of cynicism that you have got

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in Britain and we have in America and you have to be able to trust

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these people. Remember, they have a public trust. They were elected to

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represent and OK, maybe they are not role models, but we expect more from

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Congress or members of Parliament and if they behave badly, they have

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to be held accountable. What about shifts in attitude in public

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response to claims of child abuse? Historical or not, there has been a

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shift, we have had many people on the programme who have said that in

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the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, somehow people did turn a blind eye. It was

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not acceptable, but those people were in a way not investigated after

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rumours and claims. We want accountability. It has changed. We

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want accountability, let the chips fall where they may, and the key

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person, if they are alive and they need to be punished. You set out

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what you want, to be available to the people looking at this, but why

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then not have a judge led enquiry, why not have people swearing an

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oath, why not make it that formal, if you think it is that important

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and you need to get to the bottom of it. You have used Hillsborough as an

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example of where it was difficult. Something that was welcomed

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yesterday, the Home Secretary under pressure from MPs said that if the

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independent panel that she set up feel that they need statutory

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powers, she is very open to giving them to them. But the important

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thing here, child abuse thrives in secrecy, it is not fun, it is not

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exciting, it is humiliating, it is distressing. It is awful. What we

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need to do, all of us, whether it is the media, politicians, anybody in a

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position, we need to shine a spotlight anywhere we think that

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could have occurred. Keep up the pressure to make sure we have the

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right answers for people finally after years and years of living with

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this in silence. Thank you very much.

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Parking charges are never popular, but the fees charged to park

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at many hospitals are, according to one MP, a stealth tax

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Hospitals in Wales and Scotland have abolished them,

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but three-quarters of hospitals in England do make visitors pay to

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Our reporter Jane Dodge went to one hospital in Nottingham.

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Really it is coming out of our pocket, isn't it. We pay our taxes

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and everything like that and still, it is overpriced for car parks. It

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is too much. Especially for patients. They should not have to

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pay that much. Should they be paying anything? They should not. If you

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are in hospital for a couple of weeks, people have got to I have

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been here since 7:15am, now it is 1pm, yes, I expect it to cost in the

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region of about ?10. How does that sound to you? It is a lot of money.

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The hospital argues that charging the rates they do for car parking

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means they can ring fence the budget of patient care, it means they do

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not have to take money out of patient care to subsidise parking

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for visitors. Do you accept that argument? If you put it that way,

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perhaps the patients come first. I can afford the parking. I find it

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expensive but I suppose there is people who would find it extremely

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expensive. I would only use it in an emergency. I have just jumped off

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the bus to come here. ?4 an hour, that is pretty steep. And we are now

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joined by Robert Chalfant and from the centre-right think tank reform,

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Andrew Halden B. -- Robert Halfon and from the

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centre-right think-tank Reform, Andrew Haldenby. Hospital car

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parking has become a stealth tax, people do not know why the charges

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are there and what it is being spent on, and there are very few

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concessions. What you say to that? It seems to be unfair that at a

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point in your life when you are vulnerable, going to hospital,

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seeing relatives, you are being charged through the nose. It is

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wrong to charge people through the nose, but you have got to take it in

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a hospital by hospital case. Kingston Hospital, big car park next

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to the shops and residential housing, if there were no charges

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for that car park, it would be full every day of the week, 24 /7. It is

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not what Robert would like to achieve but the thing is, no patient

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would be able to get into the hospital. This is the law of

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unintended consequences. Some hospitals in London are charging up

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to ?500 every week. ?500 every week? ! There are many examples of

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horror stories. People have cancer and they are paying huge amounts of

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money to park their car. The answer is a simple one, to what Andrew has

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said, if you go to a hospital, you would go to a ward, a token or a

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ticket would be given to you, and then you would not have to pay, that

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would stop people using it for shopping and the issues he has

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described. This has become a stealth tax, charges increasing all the

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time, it is costing people enormous amounts of money. The charity,

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bliss, it is a charity for parents with sick children, they have said

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that parents are paying an average of ?34 a week when they have

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premature babies. Some of them cannot even go into the hospital to

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see their baby because they cannot afford to pay the car parking

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charge. How would you pay for it? You say people do not know where the

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money goes, and when people are arguing over the cost of cancer

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drugs, and vital life-saving equipment, perhaps car park charges

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is not the priority. Important question, I would argue this is as

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much a front-line issue as it is when you spend money on nurses and

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medical machinery. These decisions are made in NHS hospitals every day.

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There is money. If we used a generic drug for stat ins, rather than

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branded drugs, we would save 200 millions. That is the cost it would

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take to scrap hospital car park in charges completely. -- statins. If

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there was a way for paying for it, would you look at hospital charges

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being scrapped. They can be scrapped now by hospital trust if they want

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to but the reason they do not is because they want to spend the money

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on clinical treatments and they are afraid that car it is the same

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argument as prescription charges, nobody likes prescription charges

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but they were introduced because when they were free, people were

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taking too much, they were misusing resources. A small charge was

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introduced. Most things in your NHS are free at the point of use, a tiny

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number of things are charged but they are charged for a good reason.

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We can have a debate in the long term about whether there will be NHS

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charges, I'm reluctant to have any charges on the NHS, but what we have

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seen with car parking, it has become a stealth tax, people do not know

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why they are being charged so much money. If they did know and they

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were faced with these choices, perhaps they would support the idea.

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It is interesting hearing a conservative asking for charges to

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be removed, in a controversial debate about general funding for the

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NHS. This is quality of life, you have given me an idea that I would

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like to take back to the US! We charge a lot of money, it can cost

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40, 50 bucks, just for a visit in hospitals in New York and Los

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Angeles. You have a bigger issue. Not just quality of life in terms of

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parking, what kind of service do you get? The big debate, how long it

:23:23.:23:25.

takes to get health care services here, how long do you have to wait

:23:26.:23:30.

for admittance, how long do you have to wait for a doctor to see you?

:23:31.:23:35.

That is a higher priority. What are the margins? People living pay

:23:36.:23:39.

cheque to pay cheque, issues like this will matter in a general

:23:40.:23:42.

election. What about your suggestion, if you are a London

:23:43.:23:45.

hospital, living near good public transport, trying to encourage

:23:46.:23:50.

people not to bring their car, you think that is not justifiable, to

:23:51.:23:53.

have higher charges in the local hospital. We have got to get real,

:23:54.:23:59.

Sony people who go to hospital are immobile for one reason or another,

:24:00.:24:02.

parents and relatives go with children, it is difficult to use

:24:03.:24:09.

public transport. Not every hospital has great communication links. There

:24:10.:24:12.

are hospitals all around the country. There will be isolated

:24:13.:24:16.

examples but it is becoming a stealth tax, there is no

:24:17.:24:19.

transparency and it is hitting the most vulnerable in our communities,

:24:20.:24:23.

and it is wrong that parents cannot afford to go to hospital to see

:24:24.:24:26.

premature babies, because they cannot afford to park their car.

:24:27.:24:30.

That is unjust and that is why the government have got to look at

:24:31.:24:34.

this. I agree that it is a stealth tax in as much as people do not

:24:35.:24:38.

understand it. In the NHS, there is only one place where the NHS says,

:24:39.:24:44.

"you must give us money to fund this service" and that is car parks. It

:24:45.:24:48.

is unusual when people do not know about it and it should be explained

:24:49.:24:52.

to them. But I think the principle is correct. The government is not

:24:53.:24:56.

listening to you, that is not seem to be a will to look at this, are

:24:57.:25:01.

you getting anywhere? I am a campaigning MP, we have gone to the

:25:02.:25:06.

backbench committee, 110 members from each side of the house,

:25:07.:25:09.

including Frank Field, from both sides of the house. We have a

:25:10.:25:15.

Twitter page, if you join that I can send you all of the other details.

:25:16.:25:20.

We are on Facebook as well. In a couple of days we have had a

:25:21.:25:24.

thousand people contacting us. Most horrific stories have been sent to

:25:25.:25:27.

me, people suffering from cancer paying huge amounts because there is

:25:28.:25:32.

no concessions. We have got to look at this. You say it is up to

:25:33.:25:35.

individual hospitals but the governments have done brilliantly,

:25:36.:25:40.

in getting rid of mixed sex wards. That was a national decision, this

:25:41.:25:45.

is as much a national decision. Thanks.

:25:46.:25:51.

Now on this show we can't get enough of opinion polls.

:25:52.:25:54.

Which is fortunate, as at the moment you can't move for polls

:25:55.:25:57.

on everything from who do you trust to run the economy to which party

:25:58.:26:00.

The politicians claim they don't take much notice, although

:26:01.:26:05.

if that were true our guest of the day here would be out of a job.

:26:06.:26:08.

Eleanor Garnier's been finding out more.

:26:09.:26:10.

I think that the only polls that count are on May 22 this year and at

:26:11.:26:14.

the general election next year... The only one that counts is the one

:26:15.:26:18.

where people get to vote and decide who they want to run the country...

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There is only one poll that counts, that is the one that will take place

:26:23.:26:26.

tomorrow, Thursday. The only poll that counts is the pall of the

:26:27.:26:31.

voters... You are beginning to sound like a politician!

:26:32.:26:34.

They Say they do not matter but political parties still spend

:26:35.:26:39.

thousands of pounds on polls and on focus groups, they have been used

:26:40.:26:45.

here in the UK since the late 1970s but they were first pioneered in

:26:46.:26:50.

America. How many of you without saying any names have a preference

:26:51.:26:53.

or who should take over the Conservative Party? This is Frank

:26:54.:26:58.

Luntz, at a focus group for Newsnight during the Conservative

:26:59.:27:01.

Party leadership election, it saw David Cameron rise to power.

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Welcome to the world of 21st-century focus groups. This is in central

:27:07.:27:14.

London, theories are tested and opinions are listened to and

:27:15.:27:18.

reactions are recorded. They may be anonymous but the people chosen to

:27:19.:27:23.

take part in focus groups are scientifically selected. The

:27:24.:27:26.

questions and queries put to them are detailed and targeted. Instead

:27:27.:27:31.

of simply "do you like ex-politician?" It is "how would you

:27:32.:27:36.

describe them if they weren't -- it is, "what kind of animal would they

:27:37.:27:42.

be? " And what kind of driver might they be? One person said that Nick

:27:43.:27:47.

Clegg is driving the wrong way up a one-way street, that goes further

:27:48.:27:52.

than just saying they do not like them, that is a better understanding

:27:53.:27:56.

of what they dislike. There may be popular with political parties but

:27:57.:28:01.

not all politicians like the idea of focus groups. If you want to waste

:28:02.:28:04.

money they are probably a good thing, they do not do any harm, but

:28:05.:28:08.

the way to find out what people are thinking is to knock on the

:28:09.:28:11.

doorstep, talk to people, that is how you find out what is worrying

:28:12.:28:15.

people. Talking to people on the doorstep, you the truth. Focus

:28:16.:28:20.

groups, they can almost be interpreted to anything. It is

:28:21.:28:24.

unbelievably arrogant I think for any politician to assert that they

:28:25.:28:28.

think they know what all voters think on all issues all of the time

:28:29.:28:34.

or any, any of the time! They need to use all of the tools available to

:28:35.:28:38.

them, to connect with the public and really understand what they feel,

:28:39.:28:42.

and they are mad if they do not use focus groups, they are crazy.

:28:43.:28:46.

They may say that the only poll that matters is the one on election day,

:28:47.:28:52.

but from this side of the glass, looking on, politicians are

:28:53.:28:56.

certainly watching and listening. Any thing to help political parties

:28:57.:29:01.

connect with lost voters. I don't know about you but I agree with

:29:02.:29:03.

everything they have said! We know they do. They just say

:29:04.:29:17.

there's only one to look at. Whilst you conducted polls for Newsnight

:29:18.:29:21.

that propelled David Cameron from behave-on to party leader and it's

:29:22.:29:25.

been asked many times whether you played kingmaker or spotted a trend

:29:26.:29:34.

that already existed. Which was it? -- oblivion? I didn't know what he

:29:35.:29:38.

looked like, the day that I did the session. I had never seen him. I had

:29:39.:29:43.

a transcript of what he said. I was trying to pick clips so voters could

:29:44.:29:51.

react. I said that was David Cameron and my initial reaction was he's too

:29:52.:29:56.

young, they are going to choose someone, maybe not Kenneth Clarke,

:29:57.:29:59.

maybe not someone that old, someone born in this century! But actually,

:30:00.:30:07.

my first reaction was, the Tories were older.

:30:08.:30:12.

The Tory voter is older. I was shocked at how they responded. He

:30:13.:30:17.

didn't use notes. He did not read a speech. Every other politician gets

:30:18.:30:20.

up and they are reading. He delivered from the heart and number

:30:21.:30:25.

two. He gave credit to Tony Blair. It wasn't just a slash and burn. The

:30:26.:30:31.

British public is tired of these divisions, they are tired of the

:30:32.:30:36.

anger that seems to be expressed in every speech. Everything the Tories

:30:37.:30:40.

have done is wrong, everything Labour has done is wrong. They want

:30:41.:30:44.

someone who can find the sensible centre. The centre ground is what

:30:45.:30:48.

every politician says that they are after. How do you think that David

:30:49.:30:52.

Cameron has developed his brand since that time, since that point?

:30:53.:30:58.

It's interesting to me to watch his communication style because it's not

:30:59.:31:02.

as informal. Maybe you can't be as Prime Minister. Maybe you have to be

:31:03.:31:08.

more structured. But to see him attempt to redefine what it is to be

:31:09.:31:11.

a Conservative was important over the last few years because the

:31:12.:31:17.

sketch had a bad reputation. I don't believe that Conservatives won in

:31:18.:31:21.

2010, I believe that Labour lost. The group that was e-Wally as

:31:22.:31:27.

decisive was the one we did for the BBC which showed Gordon Brown could

:31:28.:31:30.

have been re-elected if he'd have gone within the first 100 days.

:31:31.:31:36.

That's tactics. It's not because people's minds change and Gordon

:31:37.:31:40.

Brown did not demonstrate he was a leader. The focus groups work by

:31:41.:31:47.

thinks, let's give them a try. And he was a change from Tony Blair?

:31:48.:31:52.

Which they appreciated. After an hour-and-a-half of watching him,

:31:53.:31:54.

they'd already had enough. That caught us that timing is everything.

:31:55.:32:03.

What about Ed Miliband then now? The Labour Party is trying to adopt the

:32:04.:32:06.

tactics used by the Obama campaign and people say he doesn't compare

:32:07.:32:11.

very fairly and we'll come on to Obama's popularity, but can it work

:32:12.:32:16.

here? Can that Stardust work for Ed Miliband? The first thing I learned

:32:17.:32:23.

is that Labour is spelled LOBOUR, not LABOR and the Americans have to

:32:24.:32:26.

understand that the language here is not the same as America, the

:32:27.:32:30.

expectations are not the same. I'm not the kind of guy that wants to

:32:31.:32:35.

come over here and trash the country but British voters are more

:32:36.:32:38.

sophisticated, asking more detailed questions, shows like this one get

:32:39.:32:43.

into more substance and so it's dangerous to have an American

:32:44.:32:45.

sensibility applied to British politics. So why are so many

:32:46.:32:50.

politicians, why are David Cameron and Ed Miliband using American

:32:51.:32:54.

strategies? Have you seen any evidence of David Axelrod on

:32:55.:33:00.

Labour's campaign? I saw the language he use odd on behalf of

:33:01.:33:11.

Miliband, on Barack Obama which you pronounce PARRACK. It's the same

:33:12.:33:14.

thing with British Consul tans because the British political elite

:33:15.:33:17.

goes to other countries and gives them advice. The key is to

:33:18.:33:23.

understand the civility of the country. Do you think it's

:33:24.:33:26.

understood here? It takes years to understand. I went to Oxford here

:33:27.:33:30.

for three years and over the last five days I've been working my way

:33:31.:33:34.

through the 80 and 90s politicians and the stuff that I read in British

:33:35.:33:39.

publications is not necessarily accurate if you really want to

:33:40.:33:42.

understand the British people. Who is going to win the 015 election? I

:33:43.:33:47.

can tell you why the Conservatives won't win, they are not getting

:33:48.:33:50.

credit for the economy. Labour won't win because Ed Miliband is not

:33:51.:33:55.

sufficiently respected as a leader -- 2015. The Liberals won't do as

:33:56.:33:59.

well because there is a disappointment in their performance

:34:00.:34:03.

in the coalition. I can tell you why each person is going to do badly. I

:34:04.:34:06.

can't give you a winner at this point. Do you think it will be a

:34:07.:34:09.

coalition again, a hung Parliament? I believe it will be a coal Is again

:34:10.:34:14.

but I don't know who will lead it. One thing makes me sad - the level

:34:15.:34:19.

of cynicism in Britain seems to be at an all-time high. Now you have

:34:20.:34:23.

got this child abuse scandal. It's tragic. This is the cradle of

:34:24.:34:28.

democracy for the entire globe and I would want to see the population

:34:29.:34:33.

proud of what British institutions have done globally. Instead, they

:34:34.:34:37.

are cynical, it's dark and it's depressing. We've got the same thing

:34:38.:34:44.

in America. If you take that cynicism, some might argue that's

:34:45.:34:48.

helped the rise of UKIP. Do you agree with that? Do you see echoes?

:34:49.:34:54.

I see tremendous similarities, the level of anger, disappointment and

:34:55.:35:02.

the level of fear. The key for the politicians, particularly the party

:35:03.:35:04.

leaders is to speak with incredible clarity. Put aside the notes, the

:35:05.:35:10.

talking points and tell people not just what they think you want to

:35:11.:35:13.

hear, tell them exactly how you feel and why. Simplify it, lardify it

:35:14.:35:18.

and, most importantly, give voters the chance to be heard. That means,

:35:19.:35:23.

don't respond to questions, ask questions. I'm waiting for the

:35:24.:35:28.

political leaders here in this country. Ask your constituents

:35:29.:35:34.

questions, don't just answer them. The more that you hear them, their

:35:35.:35:37.

voice, their emotions, their passion, the better the political

:35:38.:35:41.

person you'll be. All right. Let's leave it there.

:35:42.:35:45.

Today, the Government's commissioner for victims and witnesses, Helen

:35:46.:35:49.

Newlove, publishes her first report on her work to improve the way the

:35:50.:35:53.

criminal justice system treats victims. The Tory peer has ample

:35:54.:35:57.

experience of that system herself. Helen's husband Garry was murdered

:35:58.:36:03.

outside their home by a gang of drunk everyone youths. She says she

:36:04.:36:08.

spent her first year in the job listening to victims, and in the

:36:09.:36:11.

report, she outlines her priorities for the next 12 months. She calls

:36:12.:36:16.

for more research into restorative justice where victims can be brought

:36:17.:36:20.

face-to-face with offenders to tell them how they were affected by a

:36:21.:36:23.

crime. What's more, she says she wants to

:36:24.:36:28.

give make sure victims' views are better heard by the police, courts,

:36:29.:36:33.

prisons and policy-makers. And Helen Newlove, who entered the Lord's in

:36:34.:36:37.

2010, believes more work should be done to improve the current

:36:38.:36:40.

complaints system for victims and, where cases are dealt with out of

:36:41.:36:44.

court, she says the interests of victims should be prioritised. So

:36:45.:36:49.

that's what she wants to see happen. Will the Government listen? Helen

:36:50.:36:55.

joins me now. Wok welcome to the prom. Are you being listened to?

:36:56.:36:59.

Well, I'm not a person that will go away so they have got to listen and

:37:00.:37:02.

if they don't, I can keep challenging them. What's been the

:37:03.:37:05.

response so far to the issued you have raised in this last year? It's

:37:06.:37:11.

become welcoming on some things but on other things not, and the fact

:37:12.:37:15.

that I recently did a victims contact scheme, we are getting

:37:16.:37:20.

better training and giving training better care to victims. I've been to

:37:21.:37:27.

see a section 28 pilot which I have to say was quite good to see, and

:37:28.:37:32.

I'm not on about the politicians here, but the judiciary, the judge

:37:33.:37:38.

was victim-focussed, the defence and prosecution were victim-focussed.

:37:39.:37:41.

That is nice to see, but there's further work to do. You can't fix

:37:42.:37:46.

this overnight and it cannot be a knee-jerk reaction. Victims need to

:37:47.:37:50.

be understood, rehabilitated and we need to work with them, not speak

:37:51.:37:54.

for them. If you surround that your experience and what happened to your

:37:55.:37:58.

husband, what the complaints that you had about the system chimes with

:37:59.:38:04.

what other victims say to you now? Sadly, it does. This is seven years

:38:05.:38:12.

this year that Garry died. So nothing's changed? They have. Nobody

:38:13.:38:17.

recognised victims, they were part of a process but fitted in when it

:38:18.:38:21.

suited them, so we are speaking about victims. Victims are really

:38:22.:38:25.

tired of being asked the same questions time and time again and I

:38:26.:38:28.

say to the Government, how much more do they need to do. So my review as

:38:29.:38:34.

Victim's Commissioner goes to if heart of them, exposes the failings

:38:35.:38:39.

where they are not doing it, makes it quality, independent reports to

:38:40.:38:43.

place before Government for them, they are the law-makers, along with

:38:44.:38:48.

the judiciary, to do something to support victims.

:38:49.:38:53.

So victims treated in a less compassionate way than you would

:38:54.:38:56.

like. Where does the fault lie? It's bad in every organisation, to be

:38:57.:39:00.

federal feckly organisation. I wouldn't blame any specific. An

:39:01.:39:04.

example is, sending a very clinical letter to a victim if you are no

:39:05.:39:09.

going to go ahead with the case, with principal guidelines. That

:39:10.:39:14.

means nothing to everybody. For me, it's about language, put it in a

:39:15.:39:18.

language that they understand, sit with victims to make them understand

:39:19.:39:22.

and better communication doesn't retraumatise victims. The criminal

:39:23.:39:25.

justice testimony is supposed to be there to protect them, not to

:39:26.:39:31.

revictimise them. We have had a barrister on the programme saying,

:39:32.:39:35.

until a case has gone through, people who're under suspicion have a

:39:36.:39:39.

right to be defended and rigorous questioning of potential victims. Do

:39:40.:39:42.

you think that's still fair? If you over protect people in the witness

:39:43.:39:45.

stand, for example, in the witness box, they still need to come under

:39:46.:39:50.

vigorous questioning until a verdict? I would like to have

:39:51.:39:55.

victims to have some protection, never mind over-protection to be

:39:56.:40:01.

honest. In the States over the last ten years we have switched and we

:40:02.:40:08.

use that phrase "victims' rights" and it's not yours or your husband's

:40:09.:40:12.

fault that you happened to be there. The key is to understand the emotion

:40:13.:40:17.

on it. I'm sorry for you loss. Every day, I'm sure that she relives it

:40:18.:40:20.

and that's something that we forget. Just because it was seven years ago,

:40:21.:40:26.

doesn't mean that it goes away. This tragedy is 20 years from now, it

:40:27.:40:30.

will be the same. So how do you make people whole again? And that emotion

:40:31.:40:36.

is what the policy needs to be focussed on. How do you, taking that

:40:37.:40:40.

point, help people, which is what you have had to do, move on with

:40:41.:40:44.

their lives, get over what's happened and, in some cases, as with

:40:45.:40:48.

you, these are dreadful things, life-changing. How can you help

:40:49.:40:52.

victims move on? It's a fair point on the emotion and that's many of

:40:53.:40:56.

the debates I have is emogs is not recognised in the courtroom. But

:40:57.:41:00.

actually, emotion is what's happened to victims and their trauma and you

:41:01.:41:04.

need to support them as they enter the courtroom but also rehabilitate

:41:05.:41:08.

them. Victims want justice, they believe in a right to a fair trial

:41:09.:41:12.

but they also want rehabilitation. We always talk about rehabilitating

:41:13.:41:17.

offenders and it's about time that rehabilitation of victims is

:41:18.:41:20.

paramount to make sure that there's no further victims in our society.

:41:21.:41:26.

Are you a big supporter of bringing perpetrator and victim together in

:41:27.:41:30.

certain cases? I believe it's a victim's choice. That's what I want

:41:31.:41:35.

to look at in more in-depth reviews. It shouldn't be a political

:41:36.:41:40.

strapline. Nobody should jump into it and say it sounds very good. For

:41:41.:41:46.

me, it's what Vic times need. They are vulnerable and traumatised. You

:41:47.:41:50.

need a specialist area, like the doctors. Let them go at that time

:41:51.:41:53.

when they want to digest it and if they want to follow it through, it's

:41:54.:41:59.

a victim's choice, nobody owns an area and it should be for the

:42:00.:42:03.

victims and what they can get, and happy, healthy lives back from it

:42:04.:42:06.

that. 's what's paramount in this, not politicians. Good luck. Thank

:42:07.:42:11.

you very much. If the travel industry is to be believed, 2014

:42:12.:42:15.

will be the year of the staycation and if you are unfamiliar with that

:42:16.:42:19.

particular buzz word, it means a holiday here in the UK, perhaps by

:42:20.:42:24.

the Great British seaside, but no EU standards coming into effect next

:42:25.:42:28.

year could mean many of the beaches could be reclassified as unfit for

:42:29.:42:31.

bathing. We have been beside the seaside in Hastings to find out

:42:32.:42:37.

more. Holiday-makers have been coming to

:42:38.:42:41.

the seaside town of Hastings for generations.

:42:42.:42:45.

And it's no different today with over three million day trippers

:42:46.:42:50.

flocking to the town every year. But, new EU laws could blight one of

:42:51.:42:55.

the town's biggest attractions. The sea.

:42:56.:42:59.

Changes in the way that bathing water quality is measured could

:43:00.:43:03.

strike Hastings and some 50 other English beaches off the list of

:43:04.:43:08.

recommended places to swim. If the impression is given that Hastings

:43:09.:43:11.

Beach is not clean, you may choose toe go somewhere else. For a town

:43:12.:43:16.

that wants visitors in bigger numbers, that could be damaging. The

:43:17.:43:20.

EU standard is what it is and we'll make sure we do everything we can to

:43:21.:43:24.

hit it. Although the sea is clean by current standards, the new EU water

:43:25.:43:29.

quality targets coming into force next year are twice as stringent as

:43:30.:43:33.

those are bathing areas currently have to meet. On a hot day in high

:43:34.:43:39.

summer, this beach will be packed. But, from October 2015, the new EU

:43:40.:43:44.

law means that local authorities will have to display a sign atth

:43:45.:43:49.

advising against swimming if the water quality fails to meet minimum

:43:50.:43:52.

standards. Authorities are working hard to

:43:53.:43:57.

ensure that doesn't happen. Nationally, water companies are

:43:58.:44:02.

investing ?220 million cleaning up Britain's bathing water in the five

:44:03.:44:08.

years to 2015. In Hastings, ?3 million has been spent by Southern

:44:09.:44:13.

Water this year alone with another ?7 million earmarked for next year.

:44:14.:44:16.

We have spent hundreds of millions of pounds over the years improving

:44:17.:44:20.

the bathing water quality right around the coast and, if you go back

:44:21.:44:25.

20 years, less than 50% of the bathing waters past the standard.

:44:26.:44:29.

All the work we are doing and money we are spending should mean we see

:44:30.:44:31.

results next year but I can't guarantee it.

:44:32.:44:36.

So what needs to be done? Well, what we flush away ends up down here.

:44:37.:44:41.

These Victorian sewers in Brighton are similar to those in Hastings

:44:42.:44:46.

where campaigners are re-educating people about what not to put down

:44:47.:44:51.

the drain or flush down the loo. Waste down the toilet will get

:44:52.:44:56.

treated but contaminated run-off from roads and pavements, domestic

:44:57.:45:01.

oil and fats down the drain, or dirty water from wrongly connected

:45:02.:45:04.

pipes will flow directly into the sea. People have been shocked to

:45:05.:45:13.

hear about the new directives, that they were not aware that not all

:45:14.:45:18.

water that is thrown away, not all substances that are thrown down the

:45:19.:45:21.

drain go off to be treated. With just over one year to go, no one is

:45:22.:45:26.

certain that the sea in Hastings is going to be clean enough to meet

:45:27.:45:30.

these rigorous EU standards, this bike knowing that the change has

:45:31.:45:34.

been coming for eight years. Work is underway to address the issues, but

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we'll all of the effort payoff? -- but, will all of the effort payee --

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pay off? We're joined by the Green Party

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leader Natalie Bennett and by the chair of the all-party

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parliamentary group for all things He's not beside the seaside

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but he's in our Salford studio. Do you support the new regulations?

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You have got to support them, they are European mandate, I think of it

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like this, people go to the seaside, they do not go there to bathe,

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necessarily, but it will affect tourism to a large extent. Do you

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support them? Do you think that the Environment Agency said that bathing

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water in Britain is far cleaner than it was 25 years ago, what more can

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be done? We are talking abstractly about European standards, I

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apologise to everyone who is eating lunch but we are talking about two

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measures of faecal bacteria. Lovely! This is what we are bathing in, we

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need people to be bathing in healthy water. This is based upon the best

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signs of what healthy water is, a measure introduced in 2006, we have

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had plenty of time to react, I feel sorry for small business people who

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may be affected. But example, it is a lovely place to visit, and I hope

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that it will meet the standards, but there is a lot of other

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attractions. When Natalie Bennett puts it like that, in terms of the

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kind of bacteria you could be coming up against, the ball will feel

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reassured that coastal communities will have to do their bit to improve

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the standard of cleanliness in the water. Most council communities have

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been doing that for a long time, to put it into perspective, between the

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wars, they would bring battleships to the jetty of my constituency,

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people were bathing in oil, and all kinds of stuff! That was when

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tourism was at its height. We are in a different world altogether. --

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most people will feel reassured. I think that these your chips -- I

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think that these yardsticks are probably a little too Draconian,

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however, having clean water, good clean water, is never a bad thing.

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You represent Morecambe, would you say that the beaches in your area

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are clean or dirty? My beaches are clean in my area. Quite recently we

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have had a new measurement on our beaches, and two of my beaches have

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just failed. These EU mandates are getting more stringent all of the

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time. How clean does it really have to be? How clean does it have to be,

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we saw in that film, the effect that this is going to have on tourism, if

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you have got signs saying, "unfit for bathing, do not swim". That is

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going to harm the British tourist industry at the seaside. We have got

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to do what we are balancing your, a business cost, health of people

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exposing themselves to the sea water. Is there a big health risk.

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Yes, that is what faecal bacteria will do, I was reading the brief,

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preparing for this, reading the website, and there are suggestions

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that if you go surfing in certain areas, surfers, not bathers, talk to

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your doctor about having a hepatitis A vaccination! We do not want to be

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there! We want to be able to go into water anywhere in Britain. We really

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must ask, given that this came in in 2006, privatised water companies,

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this is one more example of where the model of privatisation has not

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delivered. We have seen improvements but we could have gone much further,

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much better. Answer that one. I disagree, in my constituency we have

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an outlet with United Utilities, spending millions, I am fighting

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them putting an outlet near a populated area in my constituency. I

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know that they are spending copious amounts of money to address this, to

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say that it is privatised industry is a fallacy. How come you have not

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done more, not you, specifically, how come more has not been done when

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you have had a number of years to deal with it? The regulation is

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going more and more stringent, it is going up rather than down, or even

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levelling out, what we are experiencing here is European Union

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bureaucracy going crazy as usual, how clear does the water have to be?

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bureaucracy going crazy as usual, I went into my local United

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Utilities plant, over this discrepancy of a new tube going near

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a populated area, they showed me what it comes in as and what it goes

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out as. It was fit to drink. If it is of that standard, do we still

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have two carry on looking for clean and clear waters? We will ask a

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visitor to the country. -- do we still have two carry on looking for

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clean and clear waters? Your water is too cold! With all due respect, I

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am going to swim in Florida! California! It is too cold here, but

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what I would say, you can have a healthy economy and healthy water,

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and we have the right to expect both. That is what the British

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population would say, the air they breathe should not make them sick,

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the water in which they swim should not make them ill, and there has got

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to be a focus upon what it does to the economy in the local area.

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Nothing short of that is acceptable. You are going to have to heat up the

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water to get Frank in! What about the environmental impact? LAUGHTER

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That is for another day. Now here

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at the Daily Politics we give you Of course we do! But TV channels in

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Britain are by law obliged to be That's not the case in the States,

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where cable channels are allowed to trumpet their highly charged

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and partisan views. Our guest of the day is

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a regular contributor to one Lets see what the American people

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had to say about that clip. SHOUTING One at a time! Can I ask you a

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question, seriously, is this going to be the level of discourse over

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the next two years? Yes! Macro shouting point well taken... That

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was not presidential... Macro SHOUTING

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Warrants stop worrying about what the other person do, we have got to

:52:33.:52:40.

come together! No, no, no! -- stop worrying about what the other person

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do! We are going to stop this conversation now! I am glad that you

:52:47.:52:51.

were in charge! I lost control. It is difficult! That was one of your

:52:52.:52:58.

focus groups from 2010, when President Obama had accused the

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Republicans of being hostage-takers over negotiations about tax cuts.

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And we're joined by Medhi Hasan from the Huffington Post website, he's

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also a presenter on al-Jazeera's English language channel

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It is more polarised. Except that in Congress, we would never do what you

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do in Parliament! I was Congress, we would never do what you

:53:20.:53:22.

Margaret Thatcher, her final speech, somebody

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Margaret Thatcher, her final "hypocrite! ". She is sitting down,

:53:26.:53:30.

her last speech, somebody screams out. We would never do that in

:53:31.:53:34.

Congress. But our public is more polarised. At least in Congress we

:53:35.:53:37.

do not scream and holler at each other. Does it help political

:53:38.:53:43.

debate, to have parties and shows like Fox News, does it help the

:53:44.:53:50.

level of discourse or do you end up with a screaming match? Before I

:53:51.:53:54.

come to that, to take this point, when President Obama gave the state

:53:55.:53:59.

of the union, a Republican shouted out "liar back Tory" and many would

:54:00.:54:07.

argue that this is part of a new level of unprecedented polarisation.

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One person, one time. -- a Republican shouted out "liar! "

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Americans are deciding where to live and who to marry and who to make

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friends with on the basis of what they believe, I think... Fox News

:54:25.:54:29.

and talk radio is not the sole cause of it but it would be mad to think

:54:30.:54:33.

that it does not feed into it, the idea the news channels are under no

:54:34.:54:36.

obligation to give you the other side of the argument, they spew out

:54:37.:54:42.

one-sided use all day long in order to generate heat rather than light.

:54:43.:54:47.

I was in the States the last time, when Obama care was being discussed

:54:48.:54:50.

and debated, I watched with interest, and a lot of British

:54:51.:54:54.

people thought, my goodness, why is there so much vitriol? We take it so

:54:55.:55:01.

seriously, the promise, we do seek out information, to affirm us,

:55:02.:55:05.

rather than inform us. I think that is a fundamental challenge. The

:55:06.:55:11.

issue, we do not know enough, we do not learn enough, we do not read

:55:12.:55:15.

enough. We do not watch enough. I work for Fox News, I will admit, I

:55:16.:55:21.

watch an hour or two of MSNBC, I want to know what everybody is

:55:22.:55:27.

saying. And what they are saying. There was an academic study a couple

:55:28.:55:31.

of years ago which found that people who watch Fox News are less informed

:55:32.:55:35.

about MST news in America than people who watch no news whatsoever!

:55:36.:55:39.

People who watch the daily show were better informed! We have done the

:55:40.:55:46.

same kind of research, and the Fox News viewer knew more. Did they know

:55:47.:55:51.

more are all a more engaged? Are they more passionate? Do they know

:55:52.:55:58.

more? You work for Huffington Post, not exactly mainstream media... It

:55:59.:56:03.

is the biggest new site in America, but the point about television era,

:56:04.:56:06.

it is regulated differently, but in America, elevating channels, there

:56:07.:56:11.

is no difference between comment and news. -- television channel. His

:56:12.:56:16.

papers are far more balanced here. And they are self regulated. --

:56:17.:56:23.

newspapers are far more balanced here. Would it be better if

:56:24.:56:28.

television was like it was in America? This did not help the level

:56:29.:56:33.

of public discourse, it does not help information, the vast majority

:56:34.:56:40.

of the British public want impartial news. We know that everybody is

:56:41.:56:43.

turned off from politics, disengaged, if we made it more

:56:44.:56:47.

entertaining? Why should we encourage mistrust by saying what

:56:48.:56:50.

you are getting is not necessarily both sides of the argument? Looking

:56:51.:56:56.

at Al Jazeera, is it impossible for a news organisation to be completely

:56:57.:57:01.

impartial? Surely there is always an agenda? There is no such thing as

:57:02.:57:05.

pure impartiality, but I think the point that would be made by Al

:57:06.:57:08.

Jazeera, and I present a show for them, but they would say that they

:57:09.:57:11.

give a different view on the world, it is the first global news channel

:57:12.:57:15.

not based in the West, for example. In this country, Al Jazeera English

:57:16.:57:20.

is regulated by off, full to their is the obligation to you

:57:21.:57:23.

impartiality which was dropped in the late 1980s by America, and it

:57:24.:57:28.

has been a disaster for the US. It is rich... For someone coming from

:57:29.:57:34.

your perspective... To condemn America. I will be the first to say

:57:35.:57:37.

there is issued, but I will defend what they do because our newspapers

:57:38.:57:43.

are far less biased. We are talking about television. The problem is the

:57:44.:57:48.

web, just read the comments section, go to Huffington Post, whoever is

:57:49.:57:53.

watching... For one day, go to the website and read the comments... It

:57:54.:57:57.

is the most personal, vicious, horrific commentary in politics. You

:57:58.:58:03.

are talking about the comments below the line, every news organisation

:58:04.:58:07.

has those, every newspaper. It does not make it right. But in America,

:58:08.:58:14.

Fox News encourages that on the air! That is enough for the moment! We

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have got to be proud of the BBC. I am!

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There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz.

:58:25.:58:27.

to a new academic study, which of these books are readers

:58:28.:58:31.

Is it: a, Capital, by the French economist Thomas Piketty?

:58:32.:58:34.

b, Hilary Clinton's memoir Hard Choices?

:58:35.:58:35.

or c, Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time

:58:36.:58:38.

I think that it is D, daily politics! LAUGHTER

:58:39.:58:51.

I have already read on Twitter, it is capital! You cheated!

:58:52.:58:57.

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