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be next to be beheaded. The chilling threat from the so-called Islamic

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State jihadists who released another video last night. David Cameron has

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been caring another meeting of COBRA. It is clear the government's

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options are limited. We will be asking if government

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plans to tackle home-grown terrorism will have any effect.

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Expect a Broads -- expect events abroad to dominate politics today.

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It'd likely to be a sombre affair. -- it is likely. This man wants to

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modernise the House of Commons but do politicians wish John Burkholder

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was history? -- John Burke out. Joining goes or Business Minister

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Matt Hancock. The terrorists of Islamic State say

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they have beheaded a second journalist called for two. It was

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orchestrated in much the same way as the first video, a man with a

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British accent holding a knife and making threats against the US and

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now Britain. He says the next to be murdered will be a British hostage.

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The family of the hostage have asked us not to name the hostage and we

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respect them but the family is from Scotland. Other than the usual words

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of outrage and condemnation, there has been no specific British

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reaction, no formal statement after the meeting of the emergency

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committee. I'm secretary Philip Hammond said this. We have looked

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very carefully at the options to support the legitimate government of

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Iraq and Kurdistan in defending themselves against the threat from

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ISIL and if we judge air strikes could be beneficial, we will

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consider them. We make no decision to do so at the moment. With us now

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is the BBC's world affairs editor. When you see these videos, it makes

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Islamic State look powerful and threatening. But could it be they

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doing this because these American air strikes are having an effect

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their positions? I am sure. They are not the organisation they seemed to

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be in June when they captured one of the major cities of Iraq, Mosul. And

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the Iraqi army, which we have been training and arming at such expense

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run away. That has not happened since. The business of sending over

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drones and missiles has had a good effect on keeping the ISIL, which we

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seem to be saying now, which irritates me, but there response is

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down. Dashed their response. They are in trouble. If you have got

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people who are decent and innocent journalists and you have a knife,

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you can take off their heads, imagining you are doing it with

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complete power. One day, that guy and several of the others will be in

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The Hague, in the night -- in the International Criminal Court. I hope

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I am not too old to cover that. I hope you can cover it as well. They

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may be extremist ideological is -- and ideological living in their

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world, do they think American foreign policy will change, what can

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they achieve? We say that, but I have just come back from

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Afghanistan. I was talking about the same kind of thing. People wanted to

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join up with Islamic State. They see it very differently. They think they

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just keep on and they tough enough, countries like Britain and America

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will go away, which is what has happened. Historically, written and

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America have been fiercely involved in Afghanistan -- Britain. Then they

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had to get involved again and they forgot about it. We are on our third

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turn around. So they are not far wrong in saying they might be able

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to just get rid of us. It will not happen by scaring goes and it will

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not happen by putting their heads of innocent people on video. I watched

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some of those videos and it was disgusting. -- by scaring goes. It

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gets our attention when it is a British and American hostage, but

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this is part of the course. It could be symbolism. I was reading that in

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this town, and Islamic State, every Friday, there are now public

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executions and beheadings in the square. And the dead are mounted on

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a crucifix as a warning to local residents to do what they are told.

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So this is what they do. This is what they do. You must not just

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think it is only happening in Rakka, or Syria, Syria and Iraq, it could

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now spread to Afghanistan. That is what this group of thrillers we were

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talking to have been saying -- gorillas. It is happening on a daily

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basis in Nigeria. Northern and north-eastern Nigeria. I do not want

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to say they are spreading all over the world and they will get to us,

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it is not like that. But there are black holes on the map that these

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people are able to infest. That is what has happened. Matt Hancock, if

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that is what they do, what should we do? If air strikes are effective,

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should we join the Americans in these air strikes? That decision has

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not yet been made. But in terms of the individual written hostage, we

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are looking at all options -- British. But as well as looking at

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what options we can take abroad, we also have to do everything we can to

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defend people at home. We will get to that. I am concentrating on the

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situation in what we used to call in Iraq and Syria. Which they now call

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Islamic State. What are the options there? You say you are looking at

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all options but that is meaningless. What is the opposite of that, we are

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not looking at any options? What are the options? It would not be

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appropriate to go into the individual militarily and other

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options available. But what we do know is that the impact of the US

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air strikes has been, the effect of that has been to prevent this

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advance -- military. So we support the US while not taking part in

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these air strikes ourselves. Also, the Kurds have got a role to play in

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this. Should we are on them? We supporting them. I cannot make a

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decision like that on this show. -- should we macro to them. There is

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also a big humanitarian aspect. The humanitarian crisis is serious. Of

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course, and we spend a lot of money trying to do that. It does not

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address the issues I have raised. I understand the government has not

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come out and said anything. Jack Straw, distinguished former Foreign

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Secretary for a Labour government, he said he supported Britain joining

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American air strikes. Could that become Labour Party policy? We are

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not far away from that. The European Union is involved in funding and

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giving military assistance to the Kurds and we support you on that. We

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support the Americans in their air strikes and a decision has yet to be

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made as to whether Britain should take an active part in that but we

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will not commit to boot is on the ground. Ed Miliband has set out the

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parameters on which we should set a decision. So on the basis of, will

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it be perfect, is its proportionate? There is no point doing something

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for the sake of being seen to be doing something, it has to be

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effective and genuine. But the evidence is that these air strikes

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are effective which is why the Islamic State are starting to kill

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hostages. So you think Labour could be moving in the direction of

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supporting British air strikes, along with the Americans and serving

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weapons to the Kurds? In a wider context, we also have to be

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multilateral in our approach. There has to be a political solution and

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the major players in that area... What does that mean? We cannot be

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one country and a friend deciding to take action somewhere. It has to be

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some sort of international consent and within a coherent plan. The

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French President, for example, has just called for an international

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conference at the United Nations which is the right and to do. Have

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to bring the major power brokers to the table to make sure there is no

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more funding of ISIS. This is the French President that is refusing to

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arm Ukraine but selling warships to Russia? Multilateral cooperation.

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You work with the powers. Frankly, we can all pick holes in friends you

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may have but real politics is about bringing the power brokers to the

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table and finding a proper solution. One of the things that has been

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remarkable about this has been the reluctance of President Obama to get

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involved. And when events strike him into getting involved, the moment he

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can take his total out of the water again, he does it. Exactly. This is

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the big rob them. Everybody can see we are only doing it just for a very

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short time -- this is the problem. We will light a number of rockets

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and then we will say, let's get out of here and finish with this place.

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You can hear the wreath in the voices of generals and politicians

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-- relief. Leaving Afghanistan, what could be better? Actually, that is

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an invitation for these things to happen again. It cannot just be an

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in and out policy. It has got to be, we have to commit ourselves to

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building up these black holes into proper state again and we have to be

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there -- states. Not necessarily with soldiers, that is not a good

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idea, but with our attention and our cheque-book. And friends. There are

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others, they have cheque-books and they have people and they have an

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insight we do not necessarily have. Let's get this clear, they also have

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an axe to grind. This is a Sunni and Shia sectarian war. With the Saudis

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and Iran, they are proxies. We sell these weapons to Saudi Arabia but

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they do not seem to want to use them. They are not there to be used!

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The pattern is shifting. Iran is a lot closer about Iraq now than Saudi

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Arabia. These things that have got to be with very carefully but they

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have to be dealt with on the basis that we are permanently involved in

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one way or another. Not patrolling the streets with squaddies. But with

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our minds and our hearts. And understanding the region. Yes. Thank

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you very much, always a pleasure. How do we deal with the terror

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threat at home? A number of new proposals have been announced by the

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government to prevent what the government called the gaps in our

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armoury. But there are concerns about whether the new measures

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strike the balance between keeping us safe and protect civil liberties.

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-- protecting. , Theresa May, raise the terror

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threat level from substantial to severe. That means that an attack in

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Britain was highly likely. It is estimated that around 500 British

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nationals have travelled to Iraq and Syria, to fight for militant groups.

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The government is focusing its attention on what happens if they

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come home. On Monday, David Cameron announced a series of new measures

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to the Commons, including enhancing the government the radicalisation

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programme and forcing airlines to hand over more information about

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passengers coming to and from conflict zones. The government

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answer to control orders, which can be used to deal with terror suspect,

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will be toughened up, and there is going to be statutory powers for

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police to seize passports from terrorist suspects attempting to

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leave the UK. Perhaps the most controversial proposal, cross-party

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talks on legislation to prevent fighters from coming back to the UK

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by removing their passports. This could prove difficult as there are

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warnings that the move may go against international law. Before we

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get the individual proposals, in your mind, what is it that has

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turned 500 or so, that is a conservative estimate, 500 British

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citizens into jihadis, who are fighting in Syria and Iraq and many

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of whom would like to bring that home of terrorism back here. -- that

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brand of terrorism home back here. Different reasons for different

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individuals, one of the heart of it, that we have got to do long-term, as

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well as short-term measures that we will talk about, is make sure that

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we have a strategy that tackles this sort of radicalisation. Right from

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the start and from the grassroots. Has it not been there until now?

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Until a couple of years ago, the approach of the UK authorities was

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that when an ideology is looking like a violent ideology, then that

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is the time to engage. But I think very strongly that we have got to

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start before that. Things like the active teaching of and self

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confidence in British values across the whole school system. That is

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really important, to try to bring people together. And to try to... To

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essentially strengthened nation-building in our own nation.

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Of course, that is not going to be a panacea, and in this area, nothing

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is. But you can take action earlier and you can take action to

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is. But you can take action earlier and you can take action try to

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prevent some of these people moving towards violence, before they are

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indoctrinated with a violent ideology. Sounds like there has been

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a gap, there was the prevent strategy, with hindsight should more

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money have been put into that? It is not necessarily about money, the

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previous Prevent strategy was targeted at those who had a violent

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extremist ideology. We have changed that to be a strategy to deal with

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those who have an extremist ideology whether it is violent or not.

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Because we know that an extremist attitude is one thing that can lead

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to violent acts and this kind of thing. That was a major gap, I

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think, we have put it right at a strategic level, but cascading that

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through all schools, making sure schools are self-confident about

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British values of tolerance and openness and Beardsley of

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nonviolent... Nonviolent resolution. The so-called Trojan horse.

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Sometimes you have got to tackle two. Looking at the proposals put

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forward, do you support the idea that fighters coming back from Syria

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and Iraq should be prevented in some way of re-entering the UK by for

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example having passports taken away? There is a superficial attraction,

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the Tories have built that up by the briefing over last weekend but I do

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not think... I cannot believe they ever thought they would be able to

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do it when it comes to somebody who is only a British citizen. If you

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have another nationality, taking away somebody's nationality, their

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passport... Sending them back to their country of origin. Yes, but if

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somebody is British and only British and trying to come back, if you take

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away their passport you are making them stateless and we do not agree

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with that, we have not agreed with that since the 1960s and there is a

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reason for that: If we were to do it, countries across the world would

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do it, we would end up with a whole lot of guys in the Islamic State who

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have nowhere else to go anyway. David Anderson, the counterterrorism

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adviser, has said that, on the BBC. Why has David Cameron even hinted at

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being able to do something about preventing British citizens, sole

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British citizens, from re-entering the UK, when there are so many legal

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difficulties in international law. He was clear in his statement on

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Monday that you cannot move passports, some people have dual

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nationality. -- that you can remove passports for people who have dual

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nationality. We have taken steps in law to make sure that we can remove

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British citizenship from those that are naturalised. What about sole

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British citizens, he said he would work out proposals, he told MPs, UK

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nationals, that were suspected of being involved in terror act, were

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going to be prevented from re-entering the UK for a period of

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time, how can that be done and where will they go? Where will they be?

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Sitting in an airport in Turkey... I do not understand what you are

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doing. It is all very well saying that you are going to do something

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but what do you intend to achieve? The attack, which... That is not the

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attack. What would you accept, to prevent those UK nationals coming

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back to Britain? What matters is protecting people at home.

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Absolutely. That means not having people as far as is possible coming

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back and being free on the streets of Britain. There are ways that you

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can tackle that, and obviously, making sure that you can do that in

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a way which complies with international law, that is

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important. But the idea that we cannot take those steps, should not

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look at those debts, in order to look at -- in order to protect

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people here, is absurd. There are steps you can take: We have been

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arguing with you, as we know, about these control orders, Tpims. A rule

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about you stay here and we can keep an eye on you. We think that they

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had been watered down so much... Nobody is under one at the moment.

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Was it a mistake for the government to drop control orders? These can be

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put on terror suspects to restrict them in all sorts of ways. No,

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because they were restrictive... We decided they needed changing. Did

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you decide they were too tough? Well, there were ways in which they

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were not working, people could abscond from them. They needed

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tackling. There is a new measure... Another one absconded in a Burka!

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They are a joke! Clearly, we have got to make sure that these things

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work effectively. How many people are under one at the moment? None.

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That is the correct answer! And there is 500 jihadi 's fighting in

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Iraq. If you have a jihadi that has gone to Syria, of course you cannot

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put them under anything. Why are the ones that have come back not been

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put under this order? You cannot know... If somebody travels through

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Turkey, then there is not necessarily the ability to know

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where everybody... We try to establish what the government is

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going to do to stop a jihadis leaving Syria, coming to Turkey and

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from Turkey humming back to Britain... What do you do with them

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when they arrive at Heathrow? These things are extremely difficult. For

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instance... You could prosecute them. If they have gone to Syria and

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waged war, they have committed a crime. You could start with that for

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example. I apologise for the sadistic notion of this analysis

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here... LAUGHTER Your partners are saying something

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similar, the Liberal Democrats. If somebody goes to Turkey, and we do

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not know if they have gone into Syria, that makes the situation more

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difficult. Believe you me, we are determined to act and put in as much

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protection as possible subject to defending the very values of

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tolerance and liberty which we are fighting for at the same time. I'm

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not completely clear about what can and cannot be done but we we can

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expect much more on that, coming up very shortly in prime ministers

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questions. It is a pretty grim morning, we will try to cheer

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ourselves up and turn to something completely different.

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News has reached us here at the Daily Politics that

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a certain Anthony Blair, you may remember him(!), he led the Labour

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Party once upon a time, has picked up a gong at the flashy GQ Awards.

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I think it stands for gentlemen 's quarterly...

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Richest former Prime Minister? Well, of course, he would win that award!

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No: he's won philanthropist of the year.

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I'll just pause a moment so that can sink in.

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No wonder they like him in Kazakhstan!

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Now I'm afraid we are unlikely to ever win such an accolade

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for our generosity here at the BBC, we don't just give things away

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We cannot afford it! We do not have anything to give away! If you want

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to win one of our special mugs, you have got to work for it!

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We will remind you how to win in a moment, but first, let's see if you

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remember when this happened... All dressed up and nowhere to go...

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You have a history of anti-Semitism... Homophobia... How

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come you will not apologise, you gutless coward!

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To be in with a chance of winning a daily politics mug, you do not have

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to win. It's tough year! Just send the answer to the special quiz

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e-mail address, below: It's coming up to midday here,

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just take a look at Big Ben, yes, Prime Minister's

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Questions is on its way. And that's not all!

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James Landale is here. Now obviously we expect events

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abroad to dominate PMQS. But since we last saw each other

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James, David Cameron's had to deal I am today leaving the Conservative

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Party and joining Ukip. APPLAUSE This has not been an easy decision.

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I have been a member of the Conservative Party for all of my

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adult life. It is full of wonderful people who want the best of Britain.

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My local Conservative Association in Clacton is thriving. It brims with

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those that I am honoured to call my friends. The problem is, many of

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those at the top of the Conservative Party are simply not on our side.

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They are not serious about the change Britain so seriously needs.

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Yes, not just the defection of Mr Carswell, to Ukip, but the resigning

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of his seat, and calling a by-election to fight in the Ukip

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name, an opinion poll has suggested yesterday that he would win by the

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narrow margin of 32 points. I think we could fire that under the L, for

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landslide! Clearly he is the bookies favourite. -- file that. What is the

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mood on the Tory backbenches, in terms of their attitude towards

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Douglas Carswell? Pretty angry. One MP last night said that Douglas

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Carswell, 1992 committee, said he had not just stab the Prime Minister

:28:15.:28:19.

in the back, he had stabbed everyone in the back, and the man who said

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that was widely applauded. The Conservative Parliamentary party, we

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will not see many more defections like him. The significance... How

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much it changes the narrative, how much it focuses the attention of

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politics back to the Conservative Ukip battle at a time when the Prime

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Minister wanted to get off that and focus on the economy. The

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Conservatives, the real worry that some of them have, what impact does

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it have on those voters that they need if they want to secure a

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majority next time? Soft labour, soft Lib Dems, nonvoters, all of

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those voters who by and large the polls suggest are not attracted by

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debates within the Conservative Party about Europe and battles with

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Ukip. That is what is worrying strategists for the Conservatives.

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How are they going to handle this by-election, October nine, the

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birthday of the Prime Minister! We shall be carrying it live, after

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this week, this is what we do these days with the by-elections. You were

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on the last one. LAUGHTER

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You had better take your energy pill! I would love to be there! How

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are they going to handle this. Everybody seems they will lose and

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probably lose badly. Who are they going to get to make the feudal

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gesture of standing against Douglas Carswell? How are they going to

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handle it -- feudal gesture. -- futile. They will fight reasonably

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hard to put on a reasonable show, I will not throw the kitchen sink, but

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the lesson from the by-election in Europe, that cost them a lot of

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money, they won it but it cost them a shed load, something over ?100,000

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which is a lot of money in the election cycle. Will Lynton Crosby

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want to direct that kind of resource to one seat like that? Probably

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not, they cannot vacate the field. That would be unlikely. They will do

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their best not to draw their attention to that. They want it done

:30:16.:30:20.

quickly. What about Boris? You may be silly, but he is not that silly!

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What is the significance of what Douglas Carswell has done? There was

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a sense that... Hold on a moment, I will hold that question, we will go

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to PMQ 's. It appears to have been carried out

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by a British citizen. Our thoughts are with the British hostage and his

:30:43.:30:46.

family, there ordeal cannot be imagined. But this country will

:30:47.:30:53.

never give in to terrorism. Our opposition to ISIL will continue at

:30:54.:30:58.

home and abroad. It is important we are clear about the nature of the

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threat we are facing. It makes no distinction between culture, country

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and religion, the only way to defeat it is to stand firm and to send a

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straightforward message. A country like ours will not be cowed by these

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barbaric killers. If they think we will weaken in the face of their

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threats, they are wrong. It will have the opposite effect, we will be

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more forthright in the defence of the values, liberty and a law,

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freedom and democracy that we hold dear and I am sure a united message

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to that effect will go forward from this house today. Mr Speaker, this

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morning, I had meetings and in additions to my duties in this

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house, I will have further meetings today -- in addition. Chi -- can I

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endorse what the Prime Minister has said about the American hostage? Can

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I say to the Prime Minister that some years ago, he said he wanted to

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prevent the Conservatives banging on about Europe, what has happened? A

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lot of things have changed in Europe, not least the Eurozone

:32:08.:32:12.

crisis which had eased that is beginning to appear again and this

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has created enormous tension within the union. Those countries within

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the Eurozone that need further integration and those outside the

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Eurozone that want a more flexible relationship with Europe. It is

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right to debate these matters in this house but above all, it is

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right to include the British people. And my plans, they will have a

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decisive say before the end of 2017. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Other Prime

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Minister join me in congratulating businesses in Basildon and XXXX who

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have been -- who have reduced on employment by 36% -- in Basildon and

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XXXX. Is this roof the economic LAN is working? -- proof. In the East of

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England, the number of people in work is up by 400,000 since the

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election, private sector employment has increased, business and

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investment has increased, and the news we have about the GDP figure

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revisions shows since 2010, this country has grown faster than France

:33:24.:33:29.

and Germany and any major economy apart from Canada and the United

:33:30.:33:31.

States of America. There should be no complacency because the job is

:33:32.:33:36.

not yet done but our long-term plan is working and it is the way to

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secure a better future for our country. I joined the Prime Minister

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in expressing the universal sense of revulsion at the barbaric murder of

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Steven Sotloff and in expressing deep concern about the British

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hostage Dean held. This will be a terrible time for his family --

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being held. People across the country will be thinking of them.

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This is a pattern of murderous behaviour I20 macro of the innocent.

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Christians, easy-to-use, anybody who does not agree with their vile

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aetiology. -- by ISIL. -- ideology. This must strengthen our resolve to

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defeat them and have -- and he can be sure of our full support in

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standing firm against them. Can I thank the Leader of the Opposition?

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We should send a united message. What has happened to the hostages

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some far and what may happen again in the future is a par and barbaric

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-- borrowed. We will not waver in our aim of defeating terrorism and

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that is not something that divides this house politically, it is

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something that everyone and I -- and I suspect the entire country agrees

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with. The pattern of killing will shock people across the world full

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does he agree that we and countries in the region have a vital

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humanitarian and security interest in overcoming ISIL? What progress is

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being made to mobilise other countries including Turkey, Saudi

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Arabia, Qatar and the Arab League against ISIL? The way the Leader of

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the Opposition is approaching this is right. This is a crisis in which

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we are there to help the people on the ground and the countries in the

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region that want to solve this crisis. This is not a Western led

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intervention. We have the Kurds defending communities including

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minority communities from the horrors of ISIL. The government of

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big doubt needs to get itself together to represent the country.

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Then we can do more to make sure this appalling organisation feels

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the pressure of international and local condemnation. We should using

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all the assets we have, focusing on humanitarian aid and saving people

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from hunger and persecution. Using political and diplomatic pressures

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to make sure a government in Baghdad can represent the country and

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working with others so pressure is put on. If we continue like that,

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asking how can others in the neighbourhood do their work, how can

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we help them and best event our national interests and keep people

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safe at home? That is the right approach. I agree with the Prime

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Minister and building that partnership is vital. Working with

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the UN is a key part of building the legitimacy of the alliance. In

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addition to the UN Security Council resolution has to know last couple

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of weeks, what plan does he have two use the UK's chair of the Security

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Council to build international consensus? We have used the UN to

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put pressure on ISIL by making it clear people should not provide

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resources sanctuary these people, they should be cut off. That has

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been the approach. What we do have an opportunity through the UN to

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marshal international support for the view that this ISIL so-called

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Islamic caliphate is unacceptable and needs to be squeezed out of

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existence. We should aim to get the maximum support through the UN for

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Messieurs -- measures being taken. In Britain, people will have been

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shocked and disgusted there were British voices on the visitor you --

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on the video. The Prime Minister announced a relocation powers to

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suspected terrorists and he has our full support for this. Can he

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confirm this will go ahead and can he give an indication of the

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timetable? I can confirm it will go ahead and it will require

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legislation. We need to put the independent reviewer of terrorism,

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to put his advice into action. He has spoken of it combination of

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exclusion and relocation and that needs to be introduced into the

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terrorism prevention and investigated. We should do this on a

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cross-party basis to send the clearest message and urgency is the

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order of the day. The best way to deal with terrorists is criminal

:38:28.:38:31.

prosecution and if that is not possible, strict restriction on

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their movement. On Monday, he also proposed the possibility of locking

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British citizens returning to the UK. Can he say more about whether he

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believes this is legally a list -- legally permissible and if there are

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plans to take this forward? The short answer is, yes, but it will

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take work. We already have the power when people try to return to the UK,

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if it is a foreign national, we can exclude them even if they have lived

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here. Dual nationals can be stripped of their British citizenship and

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excluded. A naturalised British person, you can and our new laws

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strip them of their British nationality. -- under. There is a

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cap when somebody has been born and raised as a British citizen like the

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individual from high Wycombe who wanted to return to do harm to our

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country, the best thing to do is to gather evidence, prosecute,

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convicted and imprisoned. But there could the occasions when we need to

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exclude so we should fill that gap and I believe it is legal and

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possible to do it. We will look at the practicality and legality of

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proposals. Can he revisit the case for strengthening the prevent

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programme in terms of revolt -- in terms of resources and community

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engagement? That is essential to prevent people being indoctrinated

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into this poisonous ideology. We do need fast action to build alliances

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across the world against ISIL and strong and considered action at home

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is what the world needs, is what the British people expect, and in

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pursuing this course, he has our port. Prevent, what we have done is

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to divide up the different elements. One part is about community

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confusion best led by the Department For Culture and communities and the

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other part best run by the Home Office. But what we need to be clear

:40:30.:40:34.

about is that it is not enough to target those who reach violent

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extremism, we need to go after those who promote the extremist narrative

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that gives the terrorists and the men of violence support for what

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they do. It is not unlike the Cold War were we did not just pursue

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those who wanted to do all such harm, we also had to challenge those

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who gave them succour. That is what we need to do in the struggle which

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I think will last for decades, and we need to show resilience and unity

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in pursuing it. In this Parliament, our coalition government has

:41:12.:41:16.

increased health spending in England by over ?17 billion a year. As a

:41:17.:41:26.

direct consequence of that, a block grant to Scotland which supports NHS

:41:27.:41:32.

funding in Scotland has increased by ?1.7 billion a year. Does he agree

:41:33.:41:36.

that this gives the lie to Alex Salmond's propaganda about the NHS?

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He is absolutely right, because of the decisions we took, long-term

:41:44.:41:47.

decisions after a careful assessment to increase spending, that has given

:41:48.:41:53.

extra money for Scotland to spend on the NHS so that gives lie to one

:41:54.:41:57.

claim. His second claim that somehow, the government, however

:41:58.:42:04.

ties parts of the NHS in Scotland is complete nonsense. -- could

:42:05.:42:11.

privatise. The only person who could do that is Alex Salmond and you can

:42:12.:42:16.

tell somebody has lost the argument when they start telling ludicrous

:42:17.:42:21.

lies about what he could do himself! There have been worrying reports

:42:22.:42:26.

about a rising malnutrition and children going back to school

:42:27.:42:30.

hungry. The government is rolling out free school meals but that will

:42:31.:42:34.

not solve food property. In the past, I have felt he has not taking

:42:35.:42:39.

this seriously, will he acknowledge this is a problem and a national

:42:40.:42:43.

scandal and it is his job to do something about it? It is well -- it

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is welcome all infants will have free school meals this week. That

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will be welcome and down the country and 99% of schools are providing

:42:55.:42:59.

those. -- up and down. The wet -- the best way is to get more people

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into work, and we are doing, and to make sure the economy grows and

:43:06.:43:08.

delivers for hard-working people. I know Labour wants this narrative

:43:09.:43:13.

about inequality and let me give statistics to show why it is not

:43:14.:43:19.

true. There are 300,000 fewer children in poverty than when Labour

:43:20.:43:23.

were in office. Inequality in our country has gone down and not up.

:43:24.:43:28.

One of the most serious causes of poverty, long-term youth

:43:29.:43:31.

unemployment, is lower than when this Government came to office, that

:43:32.:43:35.

is how we are changing people's lives. Does he agree their friends

:43:36.:43:42.

in the Middle East is share a commitment to peaceful change? --

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who share. From Palestine, to the elected governments of Kurdistan and

:43:49.:43:52.

Libya and they must by now be finding British support

:43:53.:43:58.

inconsistent, fragmented and not strategic, is it not time for a more

:43:59.:44:03.

strategic strategy? I do not agree with the honourable gentleman. This

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Government has massively increased engagement with Middle Eastern

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states. Everybody knows our view is in favour of democracy and human

:44:14.:44:17.

rights and the building blocks of democracy. We do not believe you can

:44:18.:44:23.

drop democracy out of the back of an aeroplane, it needs to be built. We

:44:24.:44:27.

engage with all those states in order to maximise not just our

:44:28.:44:32.

influence but the chance of regional stability in that vital area. Does

:44:33.:44:38.

the Prime Minister share public concern that terrible abuse can

:44:39.:44:44.

happen to children, most recently the 1400 sexually abused girls in

:44:45.:44:50.

Rotherham? Yet directors of social services and other senior officers

:44:51.:44:55.

pay no penalty and often move on to higher paid jobs. Surely if the

:44:56.:45:02.

contracts of the people at the top mean they cannot be sacked in such

:45:03.:45:06.

circumstances, may be the contracts need looking at?

:45:07.:45:12.

I agree entirely with what the honourable lady has said, what we

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see in Rotherham is shocking, it demonstrates a failure in the local

:45:19.:45:22.

government system there, in the children's services department and

:45:23.:45:26.

in policing and all of those issues need to be addressed, which is why I

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have asked the Home Secretary to chair a group of ministers about how

:45:30.:45:33.

we learn lessons even before we get the enquiry fully underway. Where I

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think the honourable lady is absolutely right, local authorities,

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when they employ these people, should look carefully at contracts

:45:41.:45:44.

and make sure that if people do not do the job properly they can be

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removed, it is absolutely vital. You cannot police all of this from

:45:49.:45:52.

Whitehall, local government has responsibility for the people it

:45:53.:45:55.

employs and should hold them to account. Can I concur with the Prime

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Minister's earlier comments on the appalling barbaric behaviour and say

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that we all stand right behind him. If net migration into the UK

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continues at present levels, we can fill a sissy the size of Leeds every

:46:12.:46:16.

three years. -- city the size of Leeds. This is not only

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unsustainable but potentially destabilising. Does my right

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honourable friend agree with me that the sooner we adopt a Visa only

:46:24.:46:28.

system for all foreign nationals, including those from the EU,

:46:29.:46:32.

allowing the sovereign parliament to decide who settled here, the better.

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First of all can I thank my honourable friend about what he says

:46:39.:46:42.

about the stand that we must all take against terror and terrorism

:46:43.:46:48.

and Isil. We have done a huge amount to restrict migration from outside

:46:49.:46:52.

the European Union. Figures are down by almost 30% since we came to

:46:53.:46:56.

office. We have closed down 700 bogus colleges and introduced an

:46:57.:47:01.

academic limit. We must do more. Freedom of movement is an important

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principle but it is not an unqualified right and it should not

:47:04.:47:07.

be the freedom of movement to claim benefits. We should also make sure

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that when new member states join the European Union we do not necessarily

:47:12.:47:13.

have transitional controls which simply last for a number of years,

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we should have transitional controls which make sure they will not have

:47:18.:47:21.

full access to markets until their economies are of a radically

:47:22.:47:24.

different size and shape. Angus Roberts on. The most recent UK

:47:25.:47:30.

Ambassador to NATO, Dame Marriot Leslie, has today said that an

:47:31.:47:34.

independent Scotland would be welcome in NATO and that she is

:47:35.:47:38.

voting yes on the referendum. -- Angus Robertson. Earlier this year,

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the Prime Minister gave a commitment on Scottish television to take part

:47:47.:47:50.

in a programme with undecided voters before the referendum. Will he be

:47:51.:47:54.

doing that or will he be running away just as he ran away from the

:47:55.:47:59.

First Minister in a debate? On the television programme on sky

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television I offered them a date and a format, but they seemed to run

:48:03.:48:05.

away themselves, that is a great pity.

:48:06.:48:09.

On NATO, I prefer to listen to Lord Robertson, secretary-general of

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NATO, knee is absolutely clear that Scotland will be better off inside

:48:17.:48:20.

the United Kingdom and the United Kingdom will be better off with

:48:21.:48:24.

Scotland. The problem with the right honourable gentleman, when it comes

:48:25.:48:26.

to all of the big questions, currency, position in NATO, position

:48:27.:48:34.

in the European Union... They have not been able to provide a single

:48:35.:48:35.

credible answer. Does the Prime Minister agree with

:48:36.:48:50.

me that it is unacceptable to prevent the sale of kosher goods and

:48:51.:48:53.

goods made in Israel, as this conflict is the policy of the

:48:54.:48:59.

Israeli government with Judaism and leads to a rise in anti-Semitism.

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What assurances can be given that this government is going to address

:49:04.:49:07.

boycotts and anti-Semitism in the United Kingdom. We have been very

:49:08.:49:11.

clear that we do not support boycotts, we do not support measures

:49:12.:49:15.

that are intended to delegitimise the state of Israel, which has a

:49:16.:49:20.

right to exist. We argue it has a right to peace within its proper

:49:21.:49:23.

borders. I do think he makes an important point: We should be

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absolutely clear, you can criticise Israel and the Israeli government

:49:31.:49:34.

for its actions. Without being anti-Semitic. But we have seen in

:49:35.:49:40.

recent weeks is a rise in anti-Semitic attacks in this country

:49:41.:49:43.

and that is unacceptable as I said on Monday. Could refer the Prime

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Minister to events in Rotherham: Does the Prime Minister agree that a

:49:51.:49:53.

common thread in the awful picture from Rotherham that has been

:49:54.:49:56.

referred to earlier, and the dreadful plight of the young boy

:49:57.:50:02.

this week, is that the relevant authorities can all too often be

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driven by considerations other than the best interest of the child? To

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reflect this sad lesson for all of us, will you agree to amend the

:50:10.:50:13.

modern slavery Bill, to provide for independent child guardians who

:50:14.:50:16.

would be charged with reflecting the best interests of the child to all

:50:17.:50:21.

of the relevant authorities and services? I'm very proud of the fact

:50:22.:50:26.

this government is introducing the modern slavery Bill, it is a girl I

:50:27.:50:31.

support and I shall look carefully at specific suggestions made.

:50:32.:50:36.

Commenting briefly on the other point: To be fair to the authorities

:50:37.:50:41.

involved, in the case of the young boy, they all want to do the best

:50:42.:50:45.

for the child, that is what they are thinking of, but what happened is

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that decisions were taken that were not correct and did not shine with a

:50:49.:50:53.

sense of common sense and that fortunately has been put right. What

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all of us in public life and public office have got to do is look at

:51:00.:51:02.

legal requirements but also make a judgement, and those judgements can

:51:03.:51:12.

sometimes be all-important. If the respected Hampshire Police can use

:51:13.:51:16.

the European arrest warrant to create an injustice, can my right

:51:17.:51:19.

honourable friend have any confidence that other member states

:51:20.:51:22.

with less well-developed legal systems will not use the arrest

:51:23.:51:25.

warrant for worse purposes in future? What I say to my honourable

:51:26.:51:32.

friend, I respect his arguments, police have got to make their

:51:33.:51:35.

judgements and as I have just said, they do not always get them right.

:51:36.:51:38.

The question we must ask ourselves in this house: We have got to think

:51:39.:51:44.

about a situation potentially where a terrorist has attacked this

:51:45.:51:47.

country and is on the run through Europe to other countries. And how

:51:48.:51:51.

quickly we want to be able to get that person back in front of our

:51:52.:51:55.

courts to face British justice. This is not an imaginary set of

:51:56.:52:00.

circumstances, this is exactly what happened in 2005, after the dreadful

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London bombings. We do need to think about this. I'm all for making sure

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that powers flow from Brussels to London and they have in the case of

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Justice and home affairs where we have repatriated over 100 measures.

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I also want to be a Prime Minister who can British people in the eye

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and say that we will keep you safe from serious crime and crime and

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terrorism and have people back in front of British courts as soon as

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possible. We now know that in the event of separation, Scotland would

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no longer... That was a good laugh... ! LAUGHTER

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Would no longer have a formal currency with the rest of the UK. In

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response, the First Minister has said that an independent Scotland

:52:47.:52:50.

would default on its share of the national debt. What would be the

:52:51.:52:54.

consequences of such a direct was approached towards the people of

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Scotland? It is one of the most chilling things that has been said

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in this referendum campaign, that a separate Scotland would consider

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defaulting on its debt. We know what happens if you do not pay your

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debts, nobody will lend you any money unless you pay a punitive

:53:11.:53:14.

interest rates. We all know what that means for homeowners, much

:53:15.:53:18.

higher mortgage rates. For businesses, crippling interest

:53:19.:53:22.

rates. Those are the consequences of what the separatists are proposing.

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We need to get that message out loud and clear in the coming days. Fall

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of the reasons that have been given, if we were to lose the union, that

:53:35.:53:38.

would not only be a disaster for Scotland, but a national humiliation

:53:39.:53:48.

of catastrophic proportions. But hats we have been a bit complacent

:53:49.:53:52.

up until now. I urge the three party leaders, in the next three weeks, to

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drop everything else and stand shoulder to shoulder to fight for

:53:56.:53:58.

the union that we love and believe in. I think my honourable friend...

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Order, please, Mr McNeil, you are a thoroughly decent chap, but you are

:54:06.:54:14.

a very over excitable individual. You should calm down, you aspire to

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be a statesman, try behaving like one! Now, the Prime Minister. I

:54:18.:54:22.

agree with my honourable friend about the importance of this

:54:23.:54:26.

referendum, what I would say is that I think the leaders of the parties

:54:27.:54:29.

in this house have all put aside their differences. And they have

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said, in spite of the political differences we have, we all agree

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about one thing. Not just that Scotland is better off inside the

:54:38.:54:40.

United Kingdom but that the United Kingdom is better off with Scotland

:54:41.:54:44.

inside. Perhaps as well as being leader of the Conservative Party and

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Prime Minister, as the member of Parliament for an English seat, I

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say on behalf of everyone in England and I believe in Wales and Northern

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Ireland, we want Scotland to stay! CHEERING

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Prime Minister, we are all very aware of your interest in the Middle

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East and particularly Iraq, and since we were last here,

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particularly the last 24 hours. Muscle, Christians have been

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displaced, threatened with beheading, they have been told,

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convert or die. -- in Mosul. Surely we should do more, and there should

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be additional sanctions against Isil. We should do everything we can

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to protect persecuted minorities including Christians and the

:55:29.:55:34.

Yazidis. We have been delivering him and Terry on eight through military

:55:35.:55:37.

assets, through RAF aeroplanes, working with others to make sure

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they are protected. As part of that strategy we should work with the

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Kurdish and others to make sure that Isil can be beaten back and to make

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sure Christians and others are not persecuted. Increasing numbers of

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British families are leaving the UK like the family of Ashya King

:55:55.:55:59.

because they think they will get a fair trial in family courts abroad

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rather than here. Should Parliament look at the reasons for this? We do

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regularly debate in this house, family law. This government has made

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some amendments to family law of the long debates within government and

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within this house and it is arguing that there should be further

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parliamentary opportunities. There are backbench days and other

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opportunities to raise these issues. Given that that they present given

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to him from the member for Clacton, how many more birth day surprises is

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he expecting from his Tory backbenchers? LAUGHTER

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I'm sure I shall be getting allsorts of pleasant surprises on my

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birthday! LAUGHTER These do not spoil it by letting me

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know what they are! LAUGHTER CHEERING

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-- please, do not spoil it by letting me know what they are!

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LAUGHTER Scotland is important, many are

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concerned that Alex Salmond and the Yes campaign have failed to provide

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a plan B issue of currency should Scotland become independent. Does

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the Prime Minister agree with me that the voters of Scotland need to

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know what plan B is before they vote, and if they cannot get a clear

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answer, they should say, no thanks, to separation. My honourable friend

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makes a good point, those of us who believe in the United Kingdom can

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answer all of these questions, we can answer what the United Kingdom

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will look like in the future. Those arguing for separation have not

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answered these questions, their most recent effort to say that somehow

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Scotland would go one using the pound sterling but not be part of a

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monetary union, that got a rebuff yesterday from the European

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Commissioner, he said that on that basis, they would not be able to be

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members of the European Union. Yet again, another piece of the puzzle

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completely falls away. Peter Hain. Isn't the truth that

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Isil will not be beaten without air strikes in Syria as well, and that

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means engaging, however unpalatable, with the regime in Iran, as well as

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the Saudis, and perhaps a route to resolving the bitter and dangerous

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Sunni conflicts in the region, because ultimately, Isis poses a

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bigger threat to the nations in the region than it does to us. A couple

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of points, I respect your views, first of all, I would argue that

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brutality Bashar al-Assad has been one of the things that has helped to

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generate the appalling regime which is represented by Isis. -- I would

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argue that the brutality of Bashar al-Assad. The second thing, what we

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want to see, we are consistent across the piece on this, democratic

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government, pluralistic and representing all of their people

:58:44.:58:47.

taking place. We want to see that in Iraq, which is why we support the

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Prime Minister in his attempts to build an inclusive government, and

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we should support attempts in Syria to have a democratic transition to a

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regime which can represent everyone in Syria. Jihadi crimes committed in

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the names of this state... BOOING I welcome the plans announced by my

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right honourable friend, to seize British passports from dual

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nationals and remove rights of residency in the UK from foreign

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nationals known to have been fighting with Isil in Iraq and

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Syria, to keep such people from committing terrorist atrocities in

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the UK. What progress has the government made concerning jihadi 's

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with only British citizenship who might insist you and believe have

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forfeited their right to return to the UK, even though they may be

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rendered stateless and deprived of citizenship. -- have forfeited their

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right to return to the UK. -- my constituents believe. News right to

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say, people across the country, not just Dudley South, take a basic view

:59:51.:59:53.

that if you leave this country, you travel to the heart of Iraq, you

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declare you are in favour of some so-called Islamic State, and that is

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the country you want to be a part of, that you should forfeit

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effectively your right to come back. -- he is right to say. People feel

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that, they feel it deeply, that is why they should say that we need to

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look at this, not just exclude foreign nationals, not just British

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citizenship, but those British citizens that make the statements

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should be stopped from coming back to this country. Diana Johnson. My

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constituent, Christine Nicholson, is trapped in northern Iraq, unable to

:00:28.:00:34.

travel home. -- Christian. Will you look at his case and see what more

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can be done to expedite his return, as well as issuing new travel

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documents if necessary? I'm very happy to look at the Honourable

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Lady's case and I'm sure that the Secretary will have been listening

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to that and let me take the opportunity to commend the work the

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Foreign Office commission do, often armed bank, supporting those who get

:00:56.:00:58.

stuck in different countries and indeed, supporting families whose

:00:59.:01:03.

loved ones have been taken hostage. We are focused upon Iraq today, but

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since I have been Prime Minister, there have been hostages taken in

:01:09.:01:11.

countries like Nigeria and Somalia. We often do not hear about that

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work, because it is better to keep names and identities from the

:01:16.:01:20.

public. It is very important to know that when this happens, meetings of

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COBRA are held. I take a personal interest in each and every one of

:01:25.:01:28.

these cases to work out what we can do to help bring people home and

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resolve dreadful complex situations. Libya is in disturbance, Gaza,

:01:31.:01:46.

Israel, the appalling illegal annexation of Crimea by a blood and

:01:47.:01:50.

a Putin, and yet we have not had a proper opportunity to discuss this.

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Is it time now for a two-day debate, and before the house rises for the

:01:56.:01:58.

party conference recess, a full debate to discuss these matters? I

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think my honourable friend is right, we live in a very troubled

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and difficult world with huge changes taking place, as you have

:02:07.:02:09.

mentioned, some of the specific areas. In consultation with the

:02:10.:02:13.

leader of the house, there is going to be a full day 's debate as soon

:02:14.:02:17.

as next Wednesday, which will give honourable members the chance to

:02:18.:02:20.

speak about these issues. I'm sure there will be other subsequent

:02:21.:02:24.

opportunity to look at the specific questions he has raised.

:02:25.:02:29.

Horrific, vile and disgusting abuse suffered by children in my

:02:30.:02:34.

constituency should never put have been allowed to happen, the victims

:02:35.:02:38.

do not have the support they have, the minerals are on the streets.

:02:39.:02:42.

Child sex exploitation is not just an issue in Rotherham, it is a

:02:43.:02:43.

national issue. I Would like to commend the

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Honourable Lady, she is right to speak in a way that she does, this

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has affected not just Rotherham, there was a dreadful place in

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Oxford, near to my constituency, of a very similar nature, with similar

:03:05.:03:09.

failings in the systems. As I have announced, the Home Secretary will

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be leading this committee of ministers to draw together the

:03:13.:03:15.

response, and the announcement of the person who will lead the broader

:03:16.:03:19.

child abuse enquiry is going to be made in the coming days.

:03:20.:03:21.

This is vital. We have got to ask a series of questions about how

:03:22.:03:28.

individual services have failed. There is the issue of whether these

:03:29.:03:33.

problems were ignored, echoes of concerns about racism and political

:03:34.:03:36.

correctness, but I also think that there is a big concern that

:03:37.:03:42.

sometimes, the police and other agencies were ignoring these people,

:03:43.:03:44.

because they somehow felt they were beyond the pale. That offends all

:03:45.:03:50.

our senses of human decency, that none of these people, none of these

:03:51.:03:53.

children should be left behind by the society. Last but not least,

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Menzies Campbell. My right honourable friend, will be aware

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that often when hostage cases arise, there is a suggestion that

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ransom should be paid. Should those who advance that case take account

:04:09.:04:11.

of the fact that the money achieved by Iran Sim is not distributed among

:04:12.:04:16.

the impoverished citizens of Gaza, rather, it is used to purchase

:04:17.:04:20.

weapons, to finance the training and maintenance of those who are willing

:04:21.:04:26.

to use them, and otherwise to advance the malevolent objectives of

:04:27.:04:34.

terrorism. -- the money achieved by ransom. There is no doubt in my mind

:04:35.:04:38.

that the many tens of millions of dollars that Isil have raised from

:04:39.:04:41.

ransom payments is going into promoting terrorism including

:04:42.:04:47.

terrorism affecting our own country. At the G8, I launched an initiative

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to try to get other countries to sign up to a very clear doctrine

:04:52.:04:54.

that in the case of terrorist kidnap, no ransom should be paid.

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Britain continues with this policy, America continues with this policy,

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but we need Juri Ide to make sure that other countries are good to

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their word. -- but we need to redouble efforts. So the first Prime

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Minister's Questions comes to an end and it was a quiet and sombre

:05:20.:05:23.

affair. I cannot remember a time when exchanges were heard in such

:05:24.:05:29.

silence which is only fitting given a British citizen is a risk of being

:05:30.:05:36.

beheaded in Iraq at the moment. There was largely front bench

:05:37.:05:41.

unanimity on the situation in the Middle East. A statement of support

:05:42.:05:46.

from Ed Miliband. Questions about various matters which the Prime

:05:47.:05:51.

Minister has not yet and said but he said that he would. Ed Miliband is

:05:52.:05:59.

calling on Britain to use its position on the UN Security Council

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to position on the UN Security Council

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bring international pressure to bear on this. It did not take us further

:06:03.:06:09.

forward on any British response to events and -- in Iraq or to help

:06:10.:06:15.

this country would handle the return of jihad is but the Prime Minister

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thought it was permissible to take away the passports of those who had

:06:20.:06:31.

been fighting for the Islamic State. We come back to that in a minute. --

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jihadis. The second issue was Scotland, with MPs on both sides

:06:41.:06:43.

raising issues for the Prime Minister. What about by the fact the

:06:44.:06:49.

polls are narrowing and the realisation on the pro union side

:06:50.:06:52.

that they need to get their act together. The prime Minster made

:06:53.:06:57.

arguments and he was asked, should all the party leaders not drop

:06:58.:07:02.

everything for the next two weeks and campaign in Scotland? He thought

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it was a good idea to give it up by Verity. He did not suggest himself

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and Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg should go to campaign for the union

:07:14.:07:22.

-- give it a priority. Viewers were commenting on the UK

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response to crisis. This set, Cameron and Ed Miliband should be

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applauded, a reminder we are stronger united and -- undivided, I

:07:33.:07:38.

hope Scotland was listening -- this message says. A lot of people are

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code that. -- echoed. How about charging jihadis with treason when

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they return, they says? David says, if these executioners do have

:07:56.:08:00.

British passports, we should not prevent them from entering the UK

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again, we want them under observation and is not running loose

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slitting throats of hostages. And this, both the Prime Minister and Ed

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Miliband talked about defeating terrorists, with what? Only

:08:15.:08:20.

humanitarian aid? They are in a deluded and parallel world, in fear

:08:21.:08:23.

of something. James, the Prime Minister floated

:08:24.:08:29.

the idea over the weekend and it was mentioned again that one possible

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option would be for those richest citizens, pure natural born British

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citizens who have gone to fight for Islamic State, that we would not let

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them back in -- British. A number of legal authorities said we could not

:08:50.:08:53.

get away with that. He said he still thought it was legally promote --

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permissible, what do we know? I have been asking, why is the government

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thinking this is a possibility? One reason is that the law is not clear.

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There is not much case law, there is uncertainty about what the court

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would say if it were to be tested. So there is uncertainty. It is not

:09:16.:09:20.

clear whether you are talking about you when conventions, European,

:09:21.:09:26.

domestic law. The second point is -- UN conventions. The second point is

:09:27.:09:32.

that a UN convention said, do not make people stateless. But there are

:09:33.:09:40.

certain circumstances when a state can render somebody stateless. So if

:09:41.:09:46.

you have done something seriously prejudicial to your own state. The

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question is, does that exception give them some room for manoeuvre?

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Or that any areas where you could? -- of their areas. Prime Minster

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gave us a clue. -- of any areas. He talked about people who leave the UK

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and to pledge allegiance to another country. If we reach a stage where

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the caliphate, the Islamic State, is given recognised legal status, that

:10:15.:10:18.

could become the state to which somebody could be deprived of the

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House macro citizenship and told, that is now your state. -- British

:10:24.:10:30.

citizenship. The Prime Minister believes it is possible. If it was

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possible to stop these people coming back in, should we not do that? It

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is not possible. I do not know what lawyers he has been talking to, it

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is not what David Anderson says and he is that adviser on terrorism. We

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had a discussion about the importance of international law, you

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cannot pick and choose. Most people watching this would be less

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concerned about international law and more concerned these people have

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beheaded American and British citizens and that they will come

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back and do us harm. Laws do not always keep a safe on the streets of

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this country. So if it was possible to prevent these people coming back

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in, should we not try to do that? This is a battle between ideologies.

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It is a battle to keep our streets safe! We are not to lose our central

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ideology will stop the Prime Minister said about the importance

:11:37.:11:45.

of a rule of law. -- ideology. The rule of law is to keep you pull safe

:11:46.:11:51.

in our churches, streets, underground, not a UN convention

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knows about -- nobody knows about. -- to keep people safe. If they have

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pledged allegiance to the Islamic State, why should they be let back

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in? We should prosecute these people for treason. If people have been

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waging war elsewhere, they should be put on trial in this country. We

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cannot have across the world... It is no good for there to be a group

:12:18.:12:22.

of people who are stateless. It does no good. But they have pledged

:12:23.:12:29.

allegiance to the Islamic State. If that is what they like, let them

:12:30.:12:34.

stay. Do not let them back into this country, what is wrong with that?

:12:35.:12:38.

The Islamic State is not a recognised state. So you are saying

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we should start bring up on people's nationality? -- giving got.

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Other countries will also do that. When we send back people, people

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will say, we are not having them. A lot of people will think, if people

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are coming back to bombers, why should they get their nationality

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back? -- to one is. I understand, but you cannot make people

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stateless. There would be anarchy. Countries would say, I do not like

:13:16.:13:19.

the look of you, where will they end up? They will be members of the

:13:20.:13:25.

Islamic State! So you are saying we should chuck out to people we do not

:13:26.:13:30.

like the look of? They will end up in the Islamic State who will have

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nothing to lose but to fight for that. We have not thrown them out,

:13:35.:13:38.

they went there of their own volition to form a caliphate of my

:13:39.:13:44.

dear -- of medieval barbarity. Why should we let them back in? I am not

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saying anybody wants to let them in or I have any sympathy with it, but

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the law is the law. We have been signed up since 1966 and we have

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agreed with the rest of the world that you cannot make people

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stateless because it is no good for an individual country or the welfare

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of the world for people to be stateless. If they were to blow up

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their citizens? We will arrest them and prosecute them. That did not

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work in 77, some of them were trained in terrorist camps in

:14:21.:14:24.

Afghanistan and they came and did us harm -- 7/7. We have to gather

:14:25.:14:29.

evidence and ring them to law because in the end, the law is a

:14:30.:14:33.

protection for everybody. It is more important and it can protect us and

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we must not undermine it I putting out, in my view, putting out

:14:39.:14:45.

superficial briefings to get a political hit -- by putting out. It

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is not sustainable. One final thing, you think it is an affront to human

:14:53.:14:57.

rights we do not let these people back into this country, but you are

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prepared to put them under a form of internal ex-oil -- internal

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ex-I'll, which is what your control orders would do. -- eternal Exiles.

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Why is that not an affront to human rights but letting them back in is?

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If somebody has a British nationality, we cannot and do an

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agreement that has stood good for 50 years. It is a compromise that needs

:15:27.:15:34.

to be made. So you can compromise? Of course, because it is the duty of

:15:35.:15:41.

a state to protect its citizens. The main way you do that is to have a

:15:42.:15:48.

respect for the law. Is this now under serious consideration, given

:15:49.:15:51.

the number of legal authorities, and the voice of the lip -- and the

:15:52.:15:58.

voice of the coalition parties, that it is not a runner? Thank goodness

:15:59.:16:05.

and is not attorney general. We need to look at all options. If I can

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just finish. We need to do everything we can to protect British

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citizens. That is the first duty of any government. If that requires

:16:19.:16:21.

changing the law, of course we should do that. If that requires

:16:22.:16:25.

looking into the detail of long-standing international

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agreements, we need to do that. But should we explore every option to be

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able to keep people who have gone and declared their allegiance to an

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international body that likes to think of itself as a state, although

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not recognised as a state, and of course we should. Because the

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priority for everybody in government has to be to protect British

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citizens. Is that difficult? Yes, it may well be difficult, but should it

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be seriously considered and not thrown away as an idea? Of course it

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should. Has this Government, if you are going to go down that road and

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you have heard from Emily the roadblocks in the way, does this

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Government have the backbone to take on the British legal establishment,

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the European legal establishment and the United Nations legal

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establishment? We have made progress in some areas

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already, getting rid of Abu Katahdin, four years we were told it

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was not possible, legally, and yet Theresa May managed to do it. -- Abu

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Qatada. Have you really got the backbone to take on these three

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powerful establishment? Have we got the backbone to protect British

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citizens on the streets, yes, and we will not be put out by knee jerk

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negativism. The most important thing that came out of the queues, the

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full support from the Labour leader for the action that we are taking.

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He used the phrase... You do not know what you are getting in. White

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he said, " that is interesting, Prime Minister, we will look at what

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you come up with. He said that he would give the

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government his full support, that was much stronger language. My

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instinct, it is interesting what you said about the nuances and potential

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loopholes and possible ways around, my instinct is that when they look

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at this, they will decide, it is actually a melting to hi to climb.

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And one reason why, Europe, I hate to mention it. There is a European

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dimension to this, there is now a legal concept of EU nationality.

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There is a fear that if you render somebody stateless and say they are

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no longer a British citizen, they could go to the courts and they

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complain they are an EU citizen and by depriving them of British

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citizenship, they are deprived of the European Union citizenship and

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that is a matter for the European courts. The Germans, the French, the

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Spanish, the Italians, they all face the same problems.

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Are we eating too much meat? I probably am, and everything else! On

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Monday scientists told us we should restrict diets to two portions of

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red meat and seven of poultry every week. That is not all.

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And that's not all, top boffins estimate greenhouse gases from food

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production will go up 80% if meat and dairy consumption continues to

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Here's the writer Bryan Appleyard's soapbox.

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I'm standing in the middle of a perfectly delicate farm, the kind we

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like to think produces all of our food, but that is not usually true,

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we often look back on the past with moral revulsion. How could the

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Victorians send the poor to the workhouse? How could people in the

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1960s, 70s and 80s turned their back on the sexual abuse of children by

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celebrities? How will we be found morally disgusting? One way might be

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in the treatment of animals. The animals on this farm are well

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treated and free to roam, but that is not the case for most of the

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animals we eat, they are tortured for their entire lives, living in

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near darkness in tiny cages and pens. Overdosed with drugs to make

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them grow quickly and they suffer continuous pain as a result. The

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quality of the meat produced is appalling. You may think this is sad

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but unavoidable. The world population is growing at people need

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to be fed. But in fact, factory farming of animals massively reduces

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the amount of food available for people. An area the size of Western

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Europe is now planted with cereals, to feed these industrially farmed

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animals, completely unnecessary. Feeding the cereals to humans would

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eliminate all world food shortages. Land is daily stolen from the very

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poor to give very low-grade meat to the relatively rich. The only reason

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we torture animals to death in factory farms is because the rich of

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the world like to eat meat, however bad it is. People in the future will

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see this as barbaric. Brian, from the Sunday Times,

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joining us now. Looking at solutions, are you advocating that

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more people should look at vegetarianism as a real option on a

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much broader scale? Or, a lot less meat? Vegetarianism is a red

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herring, we are talking about the treatment of animals. It is cruel,

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most people who witnessed it are traumatised, and it is also

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fantastically inefficient. The conversion of crops to animal food

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is at 3% efficiency! We are currently growing an area the size

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of Western Europe, just to grow food for the animals. If there was less

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demand for the meat, there would not be the call for mega- farms, the bad

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treatment of the animals. Could you look at it that way? It would go up

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in price, of course, that would cut demand. That is the big problem, it

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is the price. Able are demanding cheaper food, we pay less for food

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than we did 20, 30 years ago, as my mother always tells me. That is

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market failure on a global scale. -- we are demanding cheaper food. Free

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market in the developed world -- developing world has shown the way

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forward. Do we need to persuade consumers to pay more, is it

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possible? One way or another they are going to have two anyway,

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because the price is going to go up anyway, because so much land, a lot

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of land is being taken for biofuels as well. That is going to happen

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anyway. This has been a political problem that is almost completely

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insoluble, people demand meet, especially the American diet, the

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hamburger, spreading further and further across the world. -- meat. I

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cannot imagine why, it is disgusting. You are not in fashion

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there. It is a badge of honour, being able to afford meat, it is a

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sign that you have joined the middle class, it is a status symbol. I'm

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not saying it is simple, just at the moment, the methods of eating, the

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diet, what kind of timescale are you talking about in terms of price

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rises. -- the methods of eating, the diet, it is catastrophic. What kind

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of timescale are you talking about in terms of price rises? It can be

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pretty quick, we are racing towards a crash crisis point. What about if

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you go on a diet, involved eating a lot of meat. No he is like an

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elephant, if you have ever heard of that... They never forget! That was

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the only comparison I wanted to say. I'm certainly not doing it right

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now. A quick look at what happened to John Bercow, a few minutes ago,

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after promised as questions. In light of your statement last Monday,

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I would be very grateful if you could clarify something, that is,

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the status of the letter that you sent to my right honourable friend,

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the Prime Minister... Given that there is a pause, and we cannot

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anticipate the outcome of that Paul's, what are you going to do, Mr

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Speaker, about the letter? Will you be withdrawing it until after the

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polls has been completed and decisions have flown from that, or

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will it float around in number ten until a relevant point? Why were the

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recruitment consultants prevented from telling the advisory panel

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which he referred to that the candidate, Carol Mills, was under

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two investigations by the Senate? Is it not the case that the recruitment

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consultants did not originally recommend that Carol Mills be

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considered? Unfortunately, but fairly predictably, the honourable

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gentleman is wrong. He is wrong on both counts. I set out the position

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very clearly on Monday afternoon, it was my responsibility and privilege

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to respond with courtesy and in detail two points of order on that

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occasion, sadly, it was a disadvantage to the house, the

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honourable gentleman was not present at that time. If he was, he chose

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not to rise to his feet. He has done so now, I have given him an answer.

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It is very clear. I think that the house will want to proceed with its

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business. That was the speaker, this is all a row about a new clerk of

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the house that John Bercow would like to appoint from Australia.

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Instead of what MPs think is a collection of very qualified people

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within the House of Commons. We can go to College Green. We are joined

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by the chairman of the speakers fan club... ! LAUGHTER

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Daily Mail columnist, Quentin Letts. Where are we now, where is

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this great thing going? PMQ 's went all right for John Bercow. Most of

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it was very sombre. It was going on with the foreign affairs. Then there

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was the difficult exchange of points of order, John Bercow handle that

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extremely badly, you could almost sense his authority wintering like

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chicken bones, terrible! Short passage of play for him when he was

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being questioned why Conservative backbenchers. He treated them with

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scorn and sarcasm and downright rudeness, not the way to do it, I do

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not think. He had a bad five minutes. Where do we go from here?

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We will go into further detail about how he was trying to nobble the

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selection of the new clerk of Parliament. What he was trying to do

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was stiff parliament, this is the speaker of the House of Commons,

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behaving like this. We will get further into the detail of it. I

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suspect in the end he will survive but his authority is in a terrible

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state and it is doing nothing for the dignity of Parliament. Sounds

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like the police are coming for him or for you, we shall leave it and we

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shall let the law take its course! Guess... 2010 is the answer! Press

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that big red buzzer! Who has one? Raj from Harrow!

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Thank you to all of the guests on the programme, the one o'clock News,

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BBC One. I shall be here again tomorrow, as usual, with all of the

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big stories of the day. I shall not be joining you, I'm afraid. She's

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taking a holiday, but you can count on me! I shall be back on Friday.

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Goodbye. about the breeding habits of

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Icelandic shellfish is back. OK, OK, it's ACTUALLY about

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the warm-beverage preference

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