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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.

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NATO leaders continue their summit in Wales, with Iraq

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David Cameron says Britain is ready to commit 3,500 troops to

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David Cameron prepares the ground for British airstrikes

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against Islamic State fighters in Northern Iraq - but all the signs

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Nationalise the railways! Raise the minimum wage!

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No, not the cry of the unions - but the latest policy pledges from the

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Their leader joins us live at the start

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And Meet the Neighbours - in the first of a new series profiling

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the members of the European Union, Adam has been finding out what

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With us for the first half hour of today's programme is the LBC

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Let's start with the latest from Calais in northern France, where

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there's an increased police presence after scores of migrants tried to

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The local mayor says over 1,000 migrants are camped in the town and

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And she's threatened to call on local residents to blockade the port

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Is it the British government's response ability to stop these

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migrants crossing the Channel? Partly. I speak to people night

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after night on my late night show and immigration and asylum seekers

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is always a hot issue, as you would expect. It is easy to say this is

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France's problem, Calle' problem, get on with it but in this country,

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there's a real about people coming in, in some cases illegally. What do

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you do about it? You have had the authorities in Calais asking for

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more cash to help them. I think that's right. It poses a massive

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problem for David Cameron because as we go into 2015, and immigration is

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a political issue, certainly with the Ukip threat, if he cannot be

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seen to be sorting out Calais, 30-40 miles across the water, where is the

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credibility in saying he can be tough on immigration, illegal or

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otherwise? Those are striking pictures, watching people trying to

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get onto lorries, here, trying to climb over extremely high wire

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fences. But the mayor of Calais is calling for a blockade. Is that an

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overreaction? You have to spend some time there. I have been watching

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reports and listening to people. You had a near riot in the week, where

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the guys on the ferry had to people. You had a near riot in the week,

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where the guys on the ferry had staff. It is political pressure. --

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they had to turn the fire hoses on to stop people getting on board.

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People that ring into my show ask why people want to come to Britain,

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and why they -- ask why they don't stay in France. There have been

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stories of asylum offer is being given to people but they say they

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want to come for Britain. They could have many reasons for that. English

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is a language well spoken. And jobs, not benefits necessarily. They

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have family as well. You can understand it but you get into this

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whole area, how do you tell the difference between a genuine asylum

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seeker and someone who quite understandably just wants to go to a

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country to better their lives? The question for today is -

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in a speech last night, which city did Boris Johnson say was

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the best in the world? Was it a) Paris in the 19th century,

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b) Athens in the 5th century BC c) New York in the 20th century

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or d) London in the 21st century? And in half an hour's time Duncan

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will - we hope - We are

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"surrounded by an arc of crisis" according to the Secretary-General

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of NATO, Anders Fogh Rasmussen. But has the NATO conference in Wales

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been a talking shop? Or have member countries actually

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managed to agree any concrete action on the two big issues of the day,

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Ukraine and the threat from Let's hear what the Prime Minister,

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David Cameron, has had to stay at the conference

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this morning, on Ukraine. As Russia tramples illegally over

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Ukraine, we must reassure our Eastern European members that we

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will always uphold our Article five commitments to collective

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self-defence. We must be able to act more swiftly. In 2002, NATO stood

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down its high readiness force. I hope that today, we can agree a

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multinational spearhead force, which can be deployed anywhere in the

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world in just 2-5 days. This would be part of a reformed NATO response

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Force, with headquarters in Poland, forward units in the Eastern allies,

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and equipment and infrastructure positioned to allow more exercises

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and if necessary, rapid reinforcement.

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The Prime Minister there, announcing a UK commitment of 3,500 personnel

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The Prime Minister there, announcing a UK commitment of 1,000 personnel

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We'll discuss what that means in a moment.

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First, let's take a look at the other developments.

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More than 60 presidents and prime ministers have gathered for the

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final day of the NATO summit in Newport. Despite talk of an imminent

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cease-fire in Ukraine, an announcement of further sanctions

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against Russia is still expected. These include further travel bans,

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more financial restrictions on banks, and increased curbs on

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defence exports. Discussion of action against Islamic State

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extremists in Iraq and Syria has also dominated the conference. David

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Cameron has said military action is an option. He believes there are no

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legal barriers in the UK to air strikes. He added, "we have to use

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everything in our armoury to wipe out Islamists terrorists". This

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morning, NATO defence ministers have met to discuss initial -- additional

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help to train Iraqi and Kurdish forces.

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Let's get the latest from the NATO summit

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and speak to the BBC's assistant political editor, Norman Smith.

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We had from the Prime Minister, 3500 troops being committed to the rapid

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reaction force but it is now 1000. What was the confusion? The 3500

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troops will go towards exercises in Eastern Europe in the next two

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years. They are military training exercises. There will still be the

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formation of a rapid reaction force, 4000 strong, with 1000

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British troops, led by a British general but based in Eastern Europe

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with headquarters in Poland. The clear message is meant to be

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directed at President Putin, in other words, back off, NATO is

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getting serious about organising along your borders. That coincides

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with what is in effect a rebuff to President Putin's offer of a

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cease-fire. If you speak to senior figures here, it has been dismissed

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out of hand. They simply don't believe President Putin is serious.

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For that reason, they are going ahead with a new raft of sanctions,

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regardless of the cease-fire. What we are seeing is a definite

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hardening in attitude of Western leaders towards President Putin. The

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view is, unless the West stand up, President Putin will keep demanding

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more, and pushing further. David Cameron seems to be preparing the

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ground, if those conditions are met, for UK involvement in air

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strikes on ISIS targets in Iraq and possibly Syria. I think that is

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true. I do think we are at the point of action but I think we are now in

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a waiting game, waiting firstly to see whether a genuinely inclusive

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government is formed in Baghdad, and secondly, whether other neighbouring

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countries in the region get their acts together and actually start to

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put together forces and resources to confront Islamic State. Thirdly,

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crucially, we're waiting for President Obama. Everything is

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predicated on his decision to go for air strikes in Syria. But if you

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speak to the Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary, it is clear in my

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mind that they are up for air. Thank you for joining us.

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And we've been joined by former British

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ambassador to the US, Sir Christopher Meyer.

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Labour's shadow defence secretary, Vernon Coaker

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joins us from our studios in Westminster.

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David Cameron has said that he won't rule out UK participation in air

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strikes. Waiting for President Obama, what sign is there that he is

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actually going to call in Britain to make a contribution? We have not

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seen a public sign yet but I would be most surprised if President Obama

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decided he did not want British help in any air strikes or anything else

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we might do in the region, and not just British. It could be that Obama

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is looking for a coalition of the willing inside the NATO membership.

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All this will unravel over the next few days and weeks. The most

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important thing I heard said by David Cameron, and I am sure the

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president subscribes to this, is that we do actually have the outline

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of a strategy, a three pronged strategy. It has changed from

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President Obama's initial pronouncement that he did not really

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have a strategy? Taylor he has been given a lot of stick for that and I

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think very unfairly. He is right, as the Prime Minister is, to be careful

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about the next steps in Iraq. I think he will be able to come out of

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the NATO summit saying that they have something like a strategy. It

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is military, political, they are waiting for a new Baghdad government

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next week and it is diplomatic, in other words, trying to bring in the

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big regional powers. Like the Gulf States and Iran although that could

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be a problem. It could be but it is not impossible. Vernon Coaker, will

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Labour support UK air strikes on ISIS targets in Iraq? As it stands,

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we have had no request from the British government, and no

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discussions with the government about that. We have shown in the

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past that we supported it where we felt it was appropriate in Libya. We

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were not prepared to support it in Syria. If the government comes

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forward with proposals, we will consider them on the basis of the

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purpose of the air strikes, and what support there is in the region and

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some other things. But the government needs to be clear to us

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about what they are proposing to do and why. I think the discussion is

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being framed along those lines. I put you the scenario which would

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proceed air strikes. President Obama calls on the UK Government to join

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air strikes, on the basis that there is some kind of government in

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Baghdad, and there are players involved. Will Labour, at that

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point, get behind it? As I say, we need to consider the proposals. If

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those were the proposals, would you be happy to be there? You cannot say

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that without knowing the actual proposals. What does it mean to say

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there is a regional alliance? We need to be clear about the purpose

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of the air strikes. What are you... Frightened is not the right word but

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what are you worried about when you say you need to know the nature of

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it? Those are the conditions as I understand them. They may change but

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if those conditions were still put to you, what would worry you about

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it? You would want to know exactly, in clear terms, the purpose of the

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air strikes and their outcome. You would want to know who among the

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regional countries were supporting what you are doing. In other words,

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you have to have some clarity about this. It is not an objection one way

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or the other. It is not to say we are in favour or against what we

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need clarity from the government about what they are proposing and

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then we could look at the proposals, discuss them and decide on that

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basis whether we would support them or not. That is Iraq and I cannot

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get you to commit one way or the other, maybe Ferran. What about air

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strikes in Syria? Many voices say you would have 2 attack ISIS in

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Syria as well to make it effective if you are going to defeat the

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enemy. -- have 2 attack. Would air strikes without President Assad's

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permission be illegal? Again, you would need to know the legal base.

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It is difficult. You would need to know, and any action against ISIS

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need a legal basis. That is what we said about Iraq. A legal basis is

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absolutely vital to proceed. Taking up that point, it is true, bearing

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in mind the kind of problems we have had in the past over things like the

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invasion of Iraq and the legality of war, as Vernon Coaker got a point

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about making sure it was legally tight before air strikes in Syria

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took place? I am not a lawyer and I don't know but I do know that it

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makes no sense to confine attacks on ISIS within Iraq alone. What they

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have introduced into the equation is something quite new, a terrorist

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organisation which elides frontiers, namely that between Syria and Iraq.

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If you are going to do something against them which is going to be

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militarily, politically and diplomatically effective, you have

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to take them as a whole, not in an Iraqi chunk and then a Syrian chunk

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to be left hanging around. I don't know the legal imprecations, but the

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other reasons are very compelling, for going into Syria. --

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implications. Just for one moment, putting legal issues aside, because

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we will discuss them separately, but do you agree that any strategy of

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air strikes has to be one that includes both Iraqi targets and

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Syrian targets? All I would do is point to the evidence we have so

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far. We supported American air strikes in support of the

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humanitarian mission and what they were doing. Those air strikes in

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Iraq were successful in holding the advance of the ISIS forces. But not

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defeating them which is what the Prime Minister set and Ed Miliband

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says he supported mum that. Clearly in terms of Iraq, we have 40 of the

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advance -- vaulted the advance which has allowed the Kurds to regroup and

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now the Iraqi government has space to produce the type of inclusive

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government we want to see there. Do you regret in any way Labour's

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refusal to support earlier this year David Cameron's attempt to get some

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kind of mandate for air strikes against President Assad? No, I

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don't. What you have to do is look at the issues as they arise, the

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context in which you are asked to make decisions. That was the right

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decision about Syria. As I said, we are not a party that opposes

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intervention per se, as we showed with respect to the support we gave

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air strikes in Libya. But let's look at the context within which we are

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asked to make these decisions, see what the purpose and outcome is and

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when we get the request, we will look at it. What do you say about

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going ahead with air strikes without a Parliamentary mandate? It is

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dangerous. Going back to the conversation we had earlier, the

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countdown to next year's general election, political capital powered

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be lost. The one thing that has not been considered is the support of

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the British people. It is all well and good politicians debating this,

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and it is right and proper, but in a survey this week, 50% of people

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surveyed by the Independent newspaper were against air strikes

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and there was more opposition to boots on the ground. There's a real

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responsibility to bring the British people onside. I think it has

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changed in the last few days, particularly with the second video

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being released and a third, British captive. I think a poll now would

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show more support but the British people need to be behind this. Is

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that do with the Labour's reticence? Possibly.

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Do you think we will be bombing those targets in Iraqi in a few

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weeks? It is possible because it is possible to demonstrate that bombing

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in Iraq and in Syria is quite a different case from that made last

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year to intervene in the Syrian civil war. Those who support

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intervention now have to show that it is different to the situation

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last year, and I think that can be very easily done. Vernon Coaker,

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briefly, before we turn to Ukraine, have you and other shadow ministers

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been talking to Labour MPs about whether they support air strikes?

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Obviously not in a formal way that the Conservatives are doing, asking

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MPs if they support air strikes. What are you doing? You informally

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meet with members of your own party and there are discussions going on.

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And what is the reaction? Labour MPs go back to the point I was making,

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what is the context and the purpose and the outcome? Thank you. We have

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heard that 1000 UK troops will be committed to the rapid reaction

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force. Will that frighten President Putin? It will make him anxious.

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NATO has always been the bogeyman for the Soviet Union and now for the

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new state of Russia under Putin, and he needs to congratulate himself, I

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think, in having revived single-handedly a NATO alliance that

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was moribund and lacking in papers until he went into Crimea and then

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Ukraine. This is one of the unintended consequences of his

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invasion. The message to Putin, and whether it will worry him or not I

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don't know, but he needs to listen carefully, is that it is not about

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Ukraine. Ukraine is not likely to be a member of NATO in the near future.

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The Prime Minister referred specifically to Article five,

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obligations of the NATO treaty. That refers to current members of NATO

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and the message to Putin is don't you dare mess with the Baltic

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states, with Poland, the Czech Republic, Romania, in the way that

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you have done with Ukraine. Because if you do that, we invoke the

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article and we are on the edge of war, you see. And that is if you

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attack one NATO nation then you attack them all. Do you support

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tougher sanctions? We certainly support the toughening of sanctions

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with respect to Ukraine and as far as NATO is concerned, the

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announcement today about the spearhead to the Iraqi reaction

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force -- rapid reaction force, I think that is also good and

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reassuring. Will it work? I think it will. On it though it is not

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sufficient but alongside other policy proposals being made. -- on

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its own. If you look at NATO allies in Poland and the Baltic states,

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they are anxious to be reassured. It is ironic that is happening on a day

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when the Government is having trouble recruiting reserves. But

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this specific point about the spearhead is a good thing. You would

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support more defence spending, would you? I would certainly support

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ensuring that the defence capabilities that we have got are

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matched by the policies the Government pursue, and with respect

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to reserves they are failing on that. Would Labour commit more

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resources and money to the armed forces? We support the Government up

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until 2015 and after that it will be a question of the next spending

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review. Thank you very much. A rally demonstrating against

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the Government's health reforms is It's the culmination

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of a month-long march that began in Jarrow and followed the route of

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the original 1936 Jarrow Crusade. Named 999 Call For The NHS,

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the group is protesting against what they believe is the increasing

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privatisation of the health service. Adam Fleming joined them for part

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of the walk. I got up with the Jarrow marchers

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bright and early at a community centre in Luton where they had spent

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the night kipping on the floor. They were getting ready to March 11 miles

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to St Albans. Such a long way but such a small breakfast. It has been

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hard to deal with people's generosity on the march. People have

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been so kind, and we have been offered so much food and cake and

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hospitality. People have baked for the march and the NHS continually

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and it has been wonderful that people have put time and effort and

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care into it. We have been finding it hard to beat all the cake. A core

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group of 20 started off in Jarrow in mid-August and when they reach

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London on Saturday, they will have marched 280 miles. It is a mixture

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of trade unionists and lefties and those that say they including a

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nurse and psychiatrist. They have been joined by all sorts of people

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along the way. It was the brainchild

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of some campaigners from Darlington, You have to make sure everyone gets

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up on time and their luggage gets on the buses and that everyone is

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ready to go, fighting fit. The reason why they are is

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the amount of people that have just come out

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and joined us for the march, shared They are following the footsteps of

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the original Jarrow March of 1936. They were highlighting a lack

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of jobs in the North. What motivates the modern-day

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marchers is the health service, which they fear is being flogged

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off without the public noticing. That is denied by the Department of

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Health, who told us 6% of the NHS budget goes to the private sector,

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and that number has hardly changed But these people feel

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so passionate about the National Health Service, they really

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are prepared to go the distance. We've been joined by

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Dr Louise Irvine from the National Health Action Party which supports

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the march, and by Julia Manning from the 2020 health group which supports

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the Government's NHS reforms. Can I start with you? The NHS is

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still free at the point of use. Do you think the public cares who

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provides the health care as long as they are not paying for it directly?

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Well, for the public it is very important that health remain free at

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the point of use, but how it is organised and delivered is also

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important and I think if the public knew the amount of wasted that there

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is in the privatised system, and the risks of destabilising NHS care, but

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also the risks of poor quality care, they would care very much about who

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provide the care. What examples have you got poor quality care being

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provided by private providers? Well, Circle took over the provision

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of out of hours services in Cornwall, and have lost the contract

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because of the poor quality. They were putting in misleading reports

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and results. There have also been two cases recently of cataract

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operations which were being done by private providers. They have been

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pulled because of poor results. What do you say to that? There may be an

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argument that some of the public cares about what happens in the NHS

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but many will want a decent quality of care provided by whomever, so

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long as it is free at the point of use but not if the care is

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substandard and dangerous. I think this march is a fantastic display of

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public support and commitment to the NHS, which we absolutely agree with,

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and we want to see the NHS fit for the future and the 21st century. In

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terms of the concerns around privatisation, the reality is that

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the NHS is a partnership between independent providers and public

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sector providers. The amount of money the NHS budget spent in the

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independent sector, so IT support, GPs, drugs, the whole thing, it is

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actually 28% already. It is a partnership and without each other

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the system would fall down. People are worried that private sector

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provision will begin to engulf parts of what they feel is a health

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service that will lose its identity. I don't think it will lose its

:25:32.:25:35.

identity. I think everybody is committed to the same core

:25:36.:25:38.

principles and what is really important is that we recognise

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fantastic independent providers. Nobody wants to get rid of Macmillan

:25:43.:25:51.

nurses and nobody wants to stop the provision of wheelchairs for

:25:52.:25:54.

children. It is a great partnership and we should celebrate it. Isn't it

:25:55.:25:58.

true that the NHS has always been a mixture of public and private

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providers and what is being said is emotional but in reality has always

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existed? This is a way of misleading the public, talking about Macmillan

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nurses, the charity, and GPs who are independent contractors but very

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much part of the NHS. We do not have shareholders, we do not draw profit

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into the pockets of shareholders. The problem is the company is taking

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these contracts are big private equity funds, hedge funds, out to

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make major profit from the NHS. That is a real risk. The number of

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contracts that has gone out to the private sector has increased three

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times in the last year. It is only last year that the regulations came

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out. The provision percentage has not increased. The health and social

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care act was fermented two years ago and the regulations that enforce it

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would just one year ago. -- was implemented. And we have seen

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contracts going out to the private sector since. We used to have a cap

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on profits and we should have that. You admit it is a dangerous

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precedent to allow companies to focus on profit rather than care? I

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think any company that does not focus on the care they are providing

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should not be providing services to the NHS. But how on earth do you

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stop that? It is quite difficult to unravel what is going on in the

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NHS. The public may be very worried about what they see happening. Yes.

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There is a responsibility on both your parts and language is so

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important. When you use the P word, toxic privatisation, people pony up

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on the radio and think that you can only have treatment if you get your

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credit card out. You have to be very clear about what your concerns are.

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The word privatisation can be misused and abused. I think there is

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a point here that the majority of patients, and this is the battle you

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have, don't really care whether care comes from, so long as it is first

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class. -- where the care comes from. By the definition of the World

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Health Organisation and Oliver Letwin, who wrote about privatising

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the world, where public sector services are put over to the private

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sector to provide, that is privatisation. The Government does

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not want to use that word because it knows it is toxic and the public

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does not want it. The debate needs to be about how we find the NHS in

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the future, what services are provided by the NHS because it can't

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do everything. It raises our expectations about what is possible.

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We need that public debate and it needs to be about the inequity that

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is increasing as well. You can have one treatment in one place and not

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in another and that is what we need to be debating. I will leave it

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there. Thank you very much. What do you do if you're

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a left wing voter disillusioned with Well, the Green Party of England

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and Wales hopes you'll join them and they reckon they might just have

:28:59.:29:02.

the policies to entice the left The party is meeting

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for their annual conference in Birmingham as they look to add

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to their one MP gained in 2010. They want to renationalise

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the railways, something they say is They also want to introduce

:29:13.:29:16.

a wealth tax on the super rich with The party would also legislate

:29:17.:29:21.

for a living wage which will rise to ?10 an hour

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by the end of the next Parliament. To discuss

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their prospects we're been joined from Birmingham by the leader of

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the Green Party, Natalie Bennett. Welcome back to the daily politics.

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Let's pick up on that last policy proposal about a living wage rising

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to ?10. Have you got businesses on side? I think very much though.

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Businesses recognise that the low pay economy is doing them out of

:29:57.:29:59.

customers and opportunities to provide the services and goods that

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people need. Have you got any names about who has signed up? No, I am

:30:05.:30:09.

not going to give you any names. What I am going to talk about is how

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we are saying today that we need to make the minimum wage a living wage.

:30:15.:30:17.

If you work full time, you should earn enough to live on, and a survey

:30:18.:30:24.

has shown 76% of the public agree with that statement. The living wage

:30:25.:30:27.

is a basic principle. We have to offer people hope for the future as

:30:28.:30:32.

well. So many people are struggling to pay bills, facing payday loans

:30:33.:30:41.

and credit card bills, and we need to offer hope that things will get

:30:42.:30:44.

better in the future. We also want to... That is what the offer of ?10

:30:45.:30:46.

an hour for everybody by 2020 offers. You are criticising the

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Labour Party for signing up to the same spending limits as the

:30:56.:30:58.

government, especially initially, but what limit on public services

:30:59.:31:03.

are you add a catering? We need to restore the pay of public sector

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workers and we also need to restore the level of services. The fact is,

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we are cutting back so much on youth clubs, social care, there are so

:31:13.:31:15.

many areas, like social care workers... How much would you spend?

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In terms of the 2015 general election, we will have a fully

:31:23.:31:26.

costed manifesto, as we did in 2010, setting out the full details. But we

:31:27.:31:30.

want to start the election campaign here. We want a sales Territories

:31:31.:31:34.

are failed model. We have a situation where the economy at the

:31:35.:31:38.

moment, rich individuals and multinational companies are not

:31:39.:31:41.

making a fair contribution in tax or in wages. The 99% of us simply are

:31:42.:31:47.

not getting a fair share of Britain's wealth. We are, after

:31:48.:31:51.

all, the world's sixth richest economy. Some of the policies you

:31:52.:31:56.

advocate, you share with the Labour Party. Are you in danger of not

:31:57.:31:58.

achieving your policies, for instance the increased minimum wage,

:31:59.:32:02.

the mansion tax you have talked about, on a higher top rate of tax,

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all of which the Labour Party is proposing? Will you split the vote

:32:08.:32:12.

and not get anywhere near any of the proposals? If we look at the detail,

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the Labour Party is making noises about lots of these things. Henri

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nationalising the railways, Caroline Lucas has a Private members Bill

:32:21.:32:23.

before Parliament that says we should simply, as the train

:32:24.:32:28.

operating companies' contract slats, allow them to come back into public

:32:29.:32:32.

hands and run them as a public institution. Labour say they will

:32:33.:32:36.

create a public company, which bids into this failed, fragmented

:32:37.:32:39.

privatised system we have now. That is not renationalisation. It is

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supporting the model we have a ready got. If you look at the living wage,

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I believe Labour's position if they want to ask companies nicely and

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offer them tax breaks for the living wage. We are saying that white to

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become if you work full time, you should have enough money to live on.

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Do you think Natalie Bennett is making an offer, and her party is

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making an offer, which will have a broader appeal than they have had in

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the past? Two I think it is. I spoke to Natalie last night about one of

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the policies and they are broadening their range of policies, broadening

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from just being about the idea of the environment which is a

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perception a lot of people have. Where it goes is interesting because

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it may well take votes from Labour and the Lib Dems. It may well spin

:33:23.:33:28.

to the slightly centre-left chunk of the electorate. -- splinter. I think

:33:29.:33:32.

that might be a good thing but whether or not it will translate

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into MPs in 2015, no one knows. I also think, about fracking, the

:33:37.:33:39.

Green party will pick up votes from people who don't want it in their

:33:40.:33:42.

back garden. Thank you for joining us.

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Before we say goodbye to Duncan, let's see if he worked out

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The question was which city did Boris Johnson say last night was

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Was it a) Paris in the 19th century b) Athens in the 5th century BC,

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c) New York in the 20th century or d) London in the 21st century?

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So Duncan, what's the correct answer?

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My get out of jail card was I was working last night so I did not see

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it. I would like to think it is London but he's besotted with our

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things and was also born in New York. I'm going with Athens. I have

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to be honest, I'm not sure whether the right answer was Athens or

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London. But you're right! In a moment, we'll be turning

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our attention to the latest But for now, it's time to say

:34:28.:34:30.

goodbye to my guest Duncan Barkes. So for the next half an hour we're

:34:31.:34:35.

going to be focusing on Europe. We'll be discussing Europe's

:34:36.:34:41.

approach to the crisis in Ukraine, the line-up of

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Jean-Claude Juncker's new Commission, and Adam reports from

:34:44.:34:45.

Croatia - the EU's newest member. First though,

:34:46.:34:47.

here's our guide to the latest Germany breaks its post-war policy

:34:48.:34:49.

of not sending arms to conflict zones and authorises the arming

:34:50.:34:58.

of a 4000 strong battalion of Kurdish fighters to battle

:34:59.:35:02.

Islamic State in northern Iraq. The newly designated EU foreign

:35:03.:35:06.

affairs chief, Federica Mogherini says NATO

:35:07.:35:11.

countries bordering Russia need more than a paper pledge that NATO will

:35:12.:35:15.

step in if it comes to fight. You lost

:35:16.:35:19.

your independence once before. With NATO,

:35:20.:35:21.

you will never lose it again. Strong words from the president

:35:22.:35:23.

as 60 world leaders meet in Wales for the latest NATO summit,

:35:24.:35:27.

with security issues A potential Merkel headache with

:35:28.:35:29.

a victory for the For the first time,

:35:30.:35:34.

a party against the euro won seats New rules banning the manufacture or

:35:35.:35:40.

import of over 1600 watt vacuum cleaners led to a huge rush on

:35:41.:35:51.

the things before the ban came in. And with us for the next 30 minutes,

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I've been joined by Ukip's Jane Collins, and Catherine

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Stihler for the Labour party. Let's take a look at one

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of those stories in more detail - the EU's response to the

:36:08.:36:10.

Islamic State militants in Iraq. Jane, should ransoms be paid to

:36:11.:36:26.

ISIS, to release hostages? It is a very emotive question. I think once

:36:27.:36:31.

you start doing that, you are going down a one-way street and you can't

:36:32.:36:36.

come back. So, no. So your position is never to pay ransoms to

:36:37.:36:38.

terrorists, to have a British hostage release? Once you have done

:36:39.:36:44.

it, as I say, you open the door to the one-way street and there's no

:36:45.:36:49.

turning back. Do you agree, and with the Prime Minister being, as was

:36:50.:36:51.

said in some of the papers, quite hawkish on this? I agree. There are

:36:52.:36:56.

other ways to deal with the situation. None of us want to be --

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this to be the way it is but we have to use other means than paying

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ransoms. The German parliament is arming a battalion of Kurds, to some

:37:07.:37:10.

extent, changing a decades-old commitment not to get involved,

:37:11.:37:14.

certainly militarily, in international conflicts, and

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therefore, a minister has recently given a speech advocating more

:37:18.:37:21.

masculine German policy. Do you think that it would be a good idea

:37:22.:37:25.

for a concerted EU effort to do things like arming the Kurds? In

:37:26.:37:32.

Iraq at this moment in time, and remember, we are virtually guilty of

:37:33.:37:36.

causing the situation with this illegal war and we have got the two

:37:37.:37:41.

sides now that we are struggling to get some kind of stability and it is

:37:42.:37:46.

looking impossible, but I think with the Islamic terrorist groups and

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everything, there has never been a better case for armed intervention

:37:50.:37:56.

in Iraq. So you are saying that we caused it in 2003? We went into an

:37:57.:38:02.

illegal war, led by Tony Blair. Do you think that has led to the rise

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of ISIS? They have taken advantage of a destabilised country. What

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about the situation in Syria? Should the UK Government have led air

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strikes in Syria earlier this year? The thing is, Ukip disagreed with

:38:19.:38:22.

arming the rebels. The very same people now are using the arms

:38:23.:38:27.

against us. They would say they are not the same people. They were the

:38:28.:38:31.

moderate resistance. Do you think that Ed Miliband should firmly stand

:38:32.:38:35.

and support air strikes if America calls on Britain? I think we have to

:38:36.:38:39.

work together to find solutions to the ISIS threat which is why we are

:38:40.:38:44.

working in NATO. I think at the moment, we have to look at all the

:38:45.:38:47.

options. However, at this moment, we had to negotiate a make sure we are

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working together. Who are we negotiating with? With our

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colleagues and alliances. I don't think that we can rush into things.

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It is such a serious situation, we have to make sure the humanitarian

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situation, looking at what is happening with the Christians and

:39:10.:39:12.

other religious minorities in Iraq, we have had a humanitarian effort

:39:13.:39:16.

and obviously, that cooperation which is essential. But now we have

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to work together with NATO and across the EU to tackle this serious

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and poisonous threat. I agree it is a terribly poisonous threat but you

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can't negotiate with terrorists and that is the main problem. I was not

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say negotiate with terrorists. We have to work together. With other

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regional powers? Or within the EU? That is something the Europeans...

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Isn't this the time we need EU allies more than ever rather than

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being isolated and out of Europe, it is what Ukip once? I totally

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disagree. I think we can have our input in these situations quite

:39:54.:39:56.

positively, without having to be part of the EU. I think we have to

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work together. North and south Iraq really need to split. I completely

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disagree with that. It is so destabilised, and we can move some

:40:13.:40:15.

of the Christian populations through to the Nineveh plane for safety. We

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should be helping the Iraqi government, recognising the Sunni

:40:23.:40:24.

minority to make sure their voices are heard. This has been the big

:40:25.:40:28.

problem with Iraqi democracy, the minorities have not been heard. We

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have to work hard to make sure it happens. You want to see the

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break-up of Iraq because you don't think the different tribal groups...

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It is just not working and until it stabilises, it won't.

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The EU is piling more pressure on Russia over the crisis

:40:42.:40:44.

in Ukraine, with deeper economic sanctions targeting state-controlled

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banking, energy and defence sectors under discussion.

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France has already halted the delivery of a warship to Russia

:40:50.:40:52.

this week, one of two that were on order before the existing

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Now more of President Putin's inner circle,

:40:56.:41:00.

dubbed "Putin's Cronies" could have travel bans imposed on them.

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And if that doesn't persuade Putin, there are suggestions that the EU

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could recommend that Russia be banned from participating

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in sporting events, including stripping them of the 2018 World Cup

:41:12.:41:14.

Jane Collins, what do you think about 1000 troops being committed to

:41:15.:41:26.

a rapid reaction NATO force? Can I just address the fact we have 30

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soldiers already on exercises in Iraq? Sorry, in Ukraine!

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Ukraine is not part of NATO. We have no benefit in actually interfering

:41:39.:41:48.

in this situation. Really? We have had America and the EU

:41:49.:41:53.

pushing/insurance, and interference. Don't get me wrong, we don't condone

:41:54.:41:59.

President Putin's annexation and acts of aggression. Do you think he

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has a right to do it? No, we are saying we don't condone the

:42:05.:42:08.

annexation of Crimea and eastern Ukraine. So you approve of what he

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is doing? I have just said we don't. But you don't think it's worth

:42:16.:42:18.

trying to stop him? We are saying that what he's doing is wrong. We

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don't think it is right but what we are saying is, there is no benefit

:42:23.:42:28.

for the sanctions, going in hard, like they are doing, to the UK. What

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do you say to that? Sanctions have to be a measure. I disagree

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completely, we have to work together in the European Union. This is a

:42:39.:42:42.

near neighbour, a foreign power has invaded the eastern part of a

:42:43.:42:45.

sovereign country. This is the most serious crisis in Europe since NATO

:42:46.:42:52.

went into Serbia. This is something that is really critical. I think at

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the moment, when you look at what is happening in a sovereign state,

:42:56.:42:58.

where a foreign power has invaded, and also, the fact that many of our

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Eastern European neighbours, who are now full members of the EU, their

:43:04.:43:07.

viewpoint of Russia and Russian power, don't forget, is Dhoni had a

:43:08.:43:13.

cyber attack. And countries like Poland. The fact is, countries like

:43:14.:43:17.

the EU and America encouraged a clue to depose an elected president. -- a

:43:18.:43:24.

coop. But what about the people living there. And look as what -- at

:43:25.:43:30.

what has happened with MH17, not being able to get to the crash

:43:31.:43:34.

site. President Putin plays it both ways, one minute saying he has

:43:35.:43:37.

nothing to do with the people creating havoc in eastern Ukraine,

:43:38.:43:42.

but on the other, trying to organise a cease-fire. I am pleased with what

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is happening with Belarus today. What about the Prime Minister today?

:43:48.:43:52.

I'm not sure if it was today, but on Ukraine, dismissing President

:43:53.:44:00.

Putin's 7-point plan. President Poroshenko, talking about the

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cease-fire. Belarus are coming together to talk, as far as I

:44:05.:44:07.

understand, and that might be happening as we speak, maybe later

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but it is important we recognise that is happening. We welcome that

:44:12.:44:14.

because we need to make sure there's a cease-fire. Are you not worried

:44:15.:44:18.

about what is going on in eastern Ukraine in terms of how it could

:44:19.:44:20.

affect other Eastern European countries and the rest of Europe? Of

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course it is worrying but we see any benefit in putting armed troops on

:44:27.:44:32.

the ground. -- we cannot see. But sanctions is what we are doing. But

:44:33.:44:37.

they are not touching gas and oil, so they are completely toothless. We

:44:38.:44:39.

are going to leave it there. The buzz

:44:40.:44:42.

in Brussels this week has been all about who Jean-Claude Juncker will

:44:43.:44:44.

choose to be his new commissioners, when he takes over from Jose Manuel

:44:45.:44:47.

Barroso as President of the Will he have enough

:44:48.:44:49.

women candidates? Will he rearrange the Commission?

:44:50.:44:52.

And who will get the best jobs? two months left of weekly meetings

:44:53.:45:11.

before their replacements take-over. Appointments to these jobs are

:45:12.:45:14.

closely scrutinised. They are powerful positions because the

:45:15.:45:17.

Commission is the only part of the EU that can propose new laws. It is

:45:18.:45:25.

up on the 13th floor office building, the home of the European

:45:26.:45:30.

Commission, that you will find the President, soon-to-be Jean-Claude

:45:31.:45:36.

Juncker, and his 27 commissioners. There is one commissioner from each

:45:37.:45:40.

member state and each looks after a different policy area. It is the

:45:41.:45:44.

President who decides which portfolio each member state gets, so

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will this week he has been interviewing the candidates.

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Surprisingly he seems to think I might have a chance. What job are

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you going to give the UK candidate? Are you a candidate? Sadly, I am

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not. The Denmark representative has been head of the climate Commission

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for five years and knows all about the gruelling process of getting the

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job. You come from your national Government normally and you know

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about politics but this is a different kind of world. You have a

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certain humility in your approach, but you also know for instance that

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that first meeting with the President-elect is extremely

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important because that is where it is to find what you are going to do.

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What is your true portfolio for the next five years? Lauderdale, what

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position are you getting? How did the interview go? Very positive,

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thank you. A positive candidate! The new portfolio is already taken. All

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the other jobs are still up for grabs, which means journalists still

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have plenty to gossip about. The most sought-after jobs are generally

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speaking economic ones. Save economic affairs, trade, the

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internal market, competition, those areas. Britain has said that is what

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he wants, a top economic job. But if he gets energy and to change, you

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can argue that energy is crucial to the economy, so whatever he gets as

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long as it is in economic area, he will be able to sell. Ultimately

:47:29.:47:34.

decisions will be taken in the European Parliament when MPs will

:47:35.:47:37.

vote on the package of commissioners and their portfolios. Vivian Reding

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used to be the Vice President of the Commission. She is also from

:47:41.:47:46.

Luxembourg and says the number of women candidates is an issue. Women

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are half of the talent, half of the knowledge, half of the

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responsibility, so let's also carry half of the doing, what we are

:47:55.:48:00.

standing for. I have the impression that in some member states

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unfortunately, this is not taken seriously. If everything goes to

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plan, new commissioners will be in these suits by early November but it

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is an incredibly complicated process. Even after Jean-Claude

:48:15.:48:17.

Juncker has made up his mind, it is still not a done deal. Jane and

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Catherine are still with me and we have been joined by Syed Kamall from

:48:26.:48:30.

the Conservatives. It does not look like Lord hill will get one of the

:48:31.:48:36.

top economic jobs. We don't know. We have just seen the draft Commission

:48:37.:48:40.

plan but if it is true that he might get the energy portfolio, that is

:48:41.:48:45.

crucial. Look at what David Cameron and Obama are talking about at the

:48:46.:48:49.

moment, reducing reliance on energy from Russia. You can't have a modern

:48:50.:48:54.

digital economy if you can't switch on the lights. One of the

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commentators in that film said that the Government will argue any job is

:48:58.:49:01.

crucial to the economy because everything is crucial to the

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economy, and it is not the same as getting one of the top economic

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portfolios. Jean-Claude Juncker has made it clear that he is going to

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change all the portfolios so it will not be exactly the same. If someone

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had asked me what we would like a few weeks ago, energy would have

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been one of the top ones. Sounds like he will get that then! Is that

:49:22.:49:28.

what you know? I don't know. Tell us on Daily Politics! If he gets it,

:49:29.:49:35.

great. Which other top economic portfolio would you have liked for

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Lord Hill? I like to see things like international trade. We are very

:49:45.:49:47.

interested in monetary affairs and that is a crucial industry for

:49:48.:49:51.

Britain. Whatever happens, British MEPs will continue standing up for

:49:52.:49:56.

that crucial industry. Do you accept that without occupying one of the

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top economic portfolios, Britain's influence in the discussions between

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austerity and spending, now rife in the European Union again, will be

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diminished? Not at all. Commissioners all discuss the issues

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and commissioners often bring up issues not strictly related to their

:50:14.:50:18.

portfolio. It is interesting that it is not just energy but climate

:50:19.:50:22.

change. Paris conference next year, it is a very important issue to deal

:50:23.:50:29.

with. Of course. Wouldn't it be better if the UK was occupying one

:50:30.:50:33.

of the top your league economic roles? Of course. Everything is

:50:34.:50:38.

based on the economy. It is a Mickey Mouse appointment, really. Climate

:50:39.:50:43.

change is not Mickey Mouse! It is for him because he will be made very

:50:44.:50:47.

unpopular at home because energy bills will go up. He is going to

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push through European legislation, which will increase wind farms and

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it is going to... All right. It will. It is pensioners and young

:50:59.:51:02.

families and their bills will go up and he will not be popular. Jane is

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talking about the portfolio. Is it because Lord Hill was not well known

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to anyone, particularly Jean-Claude Juncker, that actually his chances

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of getting a key role were also reduced? If you look at most of the

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commissioners, most people do not know many of them. Not outside the

:51:23.:51:29.

Brussels Circle. But everyone I have met across the political spectrum,

:51:30.:51:35.

they have all said they have been impressed with Lord Hill. How many

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former Prime Ministers will be chosen as commissioners? Some

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clearly have been. Former Prime Ministers are much more important.

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But just because you are former Prime Minister does not mean you are

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an effective commissioner. I accept that but it is all about profile. It

:51:52.:51:56.

is not, actually, it is about being well respected in British

:51:57.:52:02.

institutions. Jean-Claude Juncker had to Google Hill! It is the job

:52:03.:52:10.

you do in Brussels that is crucial. But Britain is not well respected in

:52:11.:52:18.

Europe. Is that UKIP's fault? But the single market is not there any

:52:19.:52:22.

more. Consumer rights is not there any more. Those are the things that

:52:23.:52:28.

I wonder about. There is better regulation. The German has got the

:52:29.:52:35.

trade portfolio and the French have got competition. These rumours and

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we will find out next week. But we have to look at this. These people

:52:40.:52:43.

have to go through a hearing process that is very tough, and then they

:52:44.:52:47.

have to be voted into Parliament, so there is some time to go before we

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see these commissioners approved. I am pleased to see that there are now

:52:52.:52:56.

nine female candidates. I welcome that. I would rather see no

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commissioners. We don't have a British Commissioner. Are EU

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commissioners. Right, but they are working on behalf of the UK as well.

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You would not think so if you saw what was happening. Should the

:53:12.:53:16.

public know more about what the commissioners do and who they are?

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Yes, I think that is important. I spoke to the committee at the House

:53:23.:53:25.

of Commons this week, and I made the point that whatever you think of the

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EU, we are members, and legislation that is created in Brussels

:53:30.:53:33.

eventually becomes law in Britain, and we have to recognise that. What

:53:34.:53:40.

reaction did you get? Very positive. People want to know who these people

:53:41.:53:44.

are. People are recognising how many laws are made in Brussels. Do you

:53:45.:53:48.

think there would have been more chance of getting a top job if David

:53:49.:53:53.

Cameron has nominated a woman? You are saying that Hill's job is not a

:53:54.:53:59.

top job. I am not saying that but it is how it is regarded in

:54:00.:54:03.

Conservative circles. If you look at the crucial issues, energy is one of

:54:04.:54:05.

the top issues. Now, hold onto your hats, we've got

:54:06.:54:11.

something very exciting in store. Yes, it's the first in a new series

:54:12.:54:14.

of films called Meet The Neighbours. Adam's going to profile

:54:15.:54:18.

the EU's 28 member countries. He started off in Croatia,

:54:19.:54:20.

the EU's newest member, where he got Can I start with you? The NHS is

:54:21.:54:23.

still free at the point of use. Do -- where he got into a bit of a

:54:24.:54:34.

fight. I am finding out about life

:54:35.:54:43.

as a gladiator in a town Yes, another empire was

:54:44.:54:47.

here long before the EU. Would you rather be a subject of

:54:48.:54:58.

the Roman Empire or the EU empire? OK, Roman empire was

:54:59.:55:01.

definitely more cruel. This is a country which is used

:55:02.:55:04.

to joining and leaving things. I was born in Yugoslavia

:55:05.:55:07.

and my kids in Croatia, Yes, listen, some countries will

:55:08.:55:16.

never go through what we have gone through in the 20th century

:55:17.:55:24.

for another thousand years. Nowadays,

:55:25.:55:29.

Croatia is famous for tourism. But a big industry here is

:55:30.:55:35.

shipbuilding, so big that you need Right, over there are two ferries

:55:36.:55:37.

going to Turkmenistan, a massive fishing boat going to Russia, and

:55:38.:55:44.

this monster is an oil tanker that The country's shipyards were state

:55:45.:55:48.

run, but they had to be sold off, Brussels also insisted

:55:49.:55:59.

the country bring lots of sectors up to European standards, from

:56:00.:56:13.

the police to the sewage system. Now let's get a taste of

:56:14.:56:16.

the politics. This restaurant's name translates

:56:17.:56:18.

as cock-a-doodle-doo. The left-wing parties that form

:56:19.:56:27.

the Croatian government signed their power-sharing deal here,

:56:28.:56:29.

so they are known There were many courses,

:56:30.:56:33.

and they were all different, It was good food and good wine,

:56:34.:56:41.

so with that came good ideas. Another regular diner was

:56:42.:56:46.

the former Prime Minister, Ivo Sanader, who was jailed earlier

:56:47.:56:48.

this year for corruption on a massive scale, something that

:56:49.:56:51.

is often on the menu in Croatia. But here is one customer

:56:52.:56:56.

who is squeaky-clean. Marina is part of a brand-new Green

:56:57.:56:59.

party The general impression is that

:57:00.:57:01.

our politics is all about obtaining positions of power and privileges,

:57:02.:57:12.

well-paid positions, for those who And then not caring

:57:13.:57:15.

about the rest of the world. But the problem people worry

:57:16.:57:21.

about most here is the state Croatia has been battling

:57:22.:57:24.

a fierce recession for six years. Not everyone is convinced that

:57:25.:57:30.

joining the EU will shield them Not a resounding success for Croatia

:57:31.:57:53.

then, since it has joined the EU? Talking to Croatian colleagues, I

:57:54.:57:56.

think Croatia has welcomed being a member of the European Union and

:57:57.:58:01.

access to the single market. The fact that 4.4 million people across

:58:02.:58:06.

Croatia are now European citizens. So why is the economy not doing

:58:07.:58:11.

better? We would all agree that across the European Union our

:58:12.:58:14.

economies have been hard-hit by the financial crisis are improving and

:58:15.:58:23.

progressing. The only member state, when I wrote to every EU country,

:58:24.:58:29.

who said there had been no short cuts. 18 billion spent on them in

:58:30.:58:36.

2013. Tourism has not taken off as they hoped. 20% unemployment. I

:58:37.:58:41.

don't see where there benefits. Nothing evident that it has been

:58:42.:58:46.

beneficial joining the EU. That is it for today. Thanks to my. Goodbye.

:58:47.:58:51.

Jo Coburn with the latest news from the Nato Summit, an interview with the Green Party leader and the regular look at the news from the European Union.


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