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Last week Labour made it clear it was putting the NHS at the heart of

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its election campaign. They think it's their issue. Today the Tories

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are out to convince us - it's their issue, too. Welcome to the Daily

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Politics, live from day 3 of the Conservative Party Conference here

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in Birmingham. Today's big announcement it from the Prime

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Minister, even though his keynote speech isn't until tomorrow. It is

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about health. Although it is not being announced by the Health

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Secretary who is speaking today. Well party leaders like to be

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associated with the good stuff and today the PM has announced GPs will

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be on call seven days a week, seven hours a day, but not until 2020 for

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everybody and he has not squared that with the GPs who tend to have

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minds of their own. He also announced the same thing last year

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but we are all in favour of recycling these days. I will be

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talking to the Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt.

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I'm here at Westminster where I will be talking to the father of this

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Conservative hero, Boris Johnson. He arrived last night to a rapturous

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reception. He will no doubt get another one when he addresses

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conference a little later. We'll have his speech, live.

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Here in Birmingham, the Home Secretary, Theresa May says she's

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going to ban extremism. We'll see how that works. And speaking of

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extremism, as we come on air, Iraqi forces are struggling to stop

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Islamic state militants advancing on Baghdad. Some reports have them 1

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kilometre from the capital's western perimeter. We'll be asking the

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Foreign Secretary, fillip ham ond, what happened to the air war? Zorb

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Philip ham ond. -- Philip Hammond. And Giles has the balls to see what

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is the divide over Europe. You are allowed one ball. Well it has to be

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out. All that in the next hour-and-a-half

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of the programme. Widely regarded as the Lidl of public service

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broadcasting. The Culture Secretary, who we talked

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to yesterday, Sajid Javid wants the BBC to do more for less. If we did

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any more for less, we'd be paying you. Keeping off today's programme,

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we have a pair of Muppets. Welcome to Mr Richards and Matthew Parris

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from the Times. Average wages are falling in low

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terms, if you are low paid they are falling in real terms and now they

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are going to cut benefits, lower in real terms. Have the Tories given up

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on blue-collar votes? You would be surprised about the thoughtfulness

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between activists and Tory MPs here, mostly they agree with George

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Osborne's suggestion for a two-year freeze. They don't see where else

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you could get the ?3 billion but they are aware they'll take a direct

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hit amongst some voters and there are also, some of them, worried

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about the impact on those voters' families. What do you think, Steve?

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I think it is an issue. I also think - I mean he mentioned the total

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global figure of ?25 billion. He has a long way to go. Where are the

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other ?22 billion coming from? I find with public spending, people

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are theoretically thrilled to hear someone is going to be tough on

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public spending until you get to the specifics. He will try to do this

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quickly. It is his decision to do this quickly. I don't know where the

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other ?22 billion will come from. And how he explains that as

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he-and-a-half gates towards the next election. Is there not a feeling

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with the election only seven months away that Mr Osborne may have

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overdone it? ? I don't think so, on the whole, the Conservative Party,

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as a force, so to speak s more worried about the deficit, than the

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Government has seemed to be -- so to speak s more worry. Everything he

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can do to get it down, they are in theory but there are questions in

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practice. Squeezing the wages of below average and squeezing the bell

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fair benefits of the below average n work, by the way, those in work, yet

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you have cut the top rate of tax from 50 to 45%, and the pension

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give-away yesterday is overwhelmingly beneficial to of a

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fluent middle class homes. Where is the fairness? I must say - if I

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could think of a good way to hit the rich, I would have included that,

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were were I the Chancellor, in the speech because the we are all in it

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together, did have a certain amount of resonance, Houghton do you hit

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the rich, that's the question -- how do you? I think he has overdone it.

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The economy is growing more than the Western world. I'm not sure if

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that's true, as he said. But it is growing. But there is no need

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towards rushing to cut the deficit in the first two years of the

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Parliament. He said he is going to do that. I think politically it is

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difficult to explain. The reason why the deficit is not falling anything

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like as fast as he said, indeed it has risen in this first five months

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of this financial year s that his income tax receipts are not coming

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through. They are not coming through because wages are not growing. He is

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caught in a vicious circle. That is always the case. When wages don't

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grow, and the tax doesn't come in and when the tax doesn't come in,

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you can't give away more to those whose wages are not growing. But

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what can a Chancellor do about that? He could increase the minimum wage.

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Yes, but then that's a direct hit, isn't it, for a lot of small and

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medium-sized businesses and neither the Conservative Party nor any

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sensible economists wants to put that on their sides. Let's look at

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the fallout from the Mark Reckless defection. There has been a change,

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an asymmetric reaction. Dug last Carswell they have written that off.

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But they are -- Doug last. Douglas.

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They think they can win in the Rochester constituency. If they

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don't, it is a disaster. If he wins that, the sense of momentum for UKIP

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will be really, really difficult for the Conservative Party. I think

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they've got every chance of winning that seat. The Tories. The Tories.

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Could Labour win? Could they slip through? It is also possible. All

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the Tories I have spoken to here say that would be preferable for them

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than UKIP. They could say the split right vote is letting Labour N but

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obviously they want to win it. -- in. But I don't think we'll see a

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Tory MP before that by-election in Westminster. They will be down

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there. They have tonnes of resources. I think it is possible.

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This whole UKIP defection is irrational, the Reckless and

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considers well one but the Reckless one is also risky, in a which that

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the Carswell one isn't from their perspective. I think it is more than

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risky. I sense a turning of the tide. Actually this Reckless

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defection could work to the Conservatives' advantage. There is a

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very strong feeling of wanting to fightback now on this and a very

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strong feeling of good rid dance to him, to Mr Carswell and two or three

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others, if they want to go. I dare say there will be one before the

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leader's speech tomorrow or immediately after T I think the

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party will take that in its stride. -- after it. The danger for the

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Tories is the nature of the fightback. If they try too hard to

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woo those gone over to UKIP that places them in the wrong part of th

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political spectrum if they want to win the general election. They have

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to be careful how they target the voters. They have to be careful how

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they frame the debate to get them back. They could end up too far to

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the right. Let's leave it there for a moment. We may have you back. We

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are in discussions with your agents at the moment. You mean if you can't

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get anyone better. That's quote for saying "we can't get anyone else."

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So Boris Johnson arrived in Birmingham last night to the usual

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hero's welcome. Of course he hates the fuss and tries to avoid

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publicity. A few weeks ago he announced his intentions to run for

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Parliament and will be standing as an MP next year. The self-efacing

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London mayor always attracts a big crowd. He is rather liked by the

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party faithful. The London Mayor even had a gift, supporting a Boris

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cut, thrown at him by one adoring fan. Boris is due to speak it the

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hall in about 15 minutes. He will almost certainly be late. His annual

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speech has become one of the highlights of the party conference.

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I'm sure David Cameron can't wait for it. The faithful at least are

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excited. Does the big Boris comeback involve trying to get the keys to

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number ten? Jo is on the green with a man who may have an inkling of his

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son's thinking. Yes, you gave the clue away.

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Environmentalists, former MEP and author and of course, Boris

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Johnson's father. What are you doing here and not supporting Boris at the

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conference? Of course I am but you invited me to talk. I am launching

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my new book in London. I point out to your thousands of delegates, it

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is available in the book shop in Birmingham. Like father like son,

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self-publicity never did anyone any harm.

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Boris speaks for himself on these matters. As far as I know he is a

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Mayor of London and a prospective parliamentary candidate for

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Uxbridge. That's enough for him getting on with. But those are his

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ambitions, you would like to see him as leader and former Prime Minister.

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We all have ambitions for our children, we sometimes keep them to

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ourselves? You never kept anything to yourself. Lots and lots of

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things. I wanted to write a good book. I have written 24, is there a

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good book? I'm not sure. Is it important to have a leader to unite

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the Conservative family when there are defections like in the last two

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days to UKIP? Well, the very good news s we have a leader, we have

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David Cameron. This has been, by the way, as far as I'm concerned an

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upbeat conference. I have there until last night. You know all this

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stuff about defections. These are blips, and stories Blips, really,

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can you put them down to this? You had Douglas Carswell, and Mark

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Reckless and a form Deputy Mayor saying they want to go to a party

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that says what it does and does what it says. Everyone knows defections

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to UKIP are irrelevant. If they are interested in the things that UKIP

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are interested in, well the answer is, vote Conservative. I spent 20

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years working for Europe. 20 years. Cameron, David Cameron has given us

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the answer here. We are going to have to referendum. Nobody else is

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giving us that. He has not said what he will do if you don't get

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reformed. You want it stay in, whether or not it is reformed. I'm

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in the so sure that you can automatically assume that's my

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action. I think you can What is your answer? If we get a real good deal

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on immigration. When I worked in the European Commission, there was no

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question that everybody had a right to work anywhere. You had to be a

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Kewellified doctor before you qualified to practice. If you were a

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dentist you had to say ah in different languages, not just in

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English. All this stuff of everybody has a free right to go everywhere

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and get all the benefits that can and must change. I think if Cameron

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delivers that, that will be a very major point. Point is people don't

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believe he can, and even those who think maybe he can, it will not go

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far enough for them. Who and how do you unite the Conservative Party at

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this stage? I think you have got it - I think we have a united party. Do

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I sound like a broken record, I hope not. I do believe we have a united

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party on this one. The pledge on the in-out referendum has brought...

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Look, did you listen to Daniel Hammond this morning? He might have

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been a defector, he said ass clearly as anything - he is not going to

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defect. Do you think Boris Johnson would unite the party more? We know

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the reception he gets and how popular he is with the party

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faithful. We saw the reception he got last night? Could he be more

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effective at uniting the Conservative Party? Don't think I'm

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ducking this question. When I came here I thought we would have a broad

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range of questions. I'm in favour of Boris. He said clearly he is going

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to stay mayor until May 2016. We are going to win this election anyway.

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So this is truth to tell, it does not arise. Do you think it helps,

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then, when Boris Johnson at last night's reception, mocks UKIP's

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supporters. You are talking about the vacuum cleaner. I am. But we'll

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leave it there. I thought it was a good joke. But does it help if you

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are mocking people going to UKIP and the sort of voters that the

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Conservative Party wants to woo back? I have lived long enough to

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know you should never duck a good joke. Basically jokes are what carry

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the day for you in politics. I made lots and lots of jokes. Some have

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flopped but some have been right. There was a joke once when I was

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standing for election down in Hampshire and the Chairman of the

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selection committee said - Mr Johnson if you are selected today

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will your wife come to live with you in Hampshire. I said she may very

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well come to live in Hampshire but not with me, I'm afraid. So that

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works, sometimes. A former wife, I should say. John Redwood has say pro

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EU businesses should be punished if they are seen to be meddling in

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politics. Who? ProEU businesses should be punished? ? I'm not in

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favour of that. I'm in the in favour of that. Did he say that? He is a

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clever man. He couldn't say the National Anthem in Welsh, I know

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that. He is a clever and bright man, I think he will regret having made

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that remark. Thank you very much. That was Jo speaking to Boris's

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resins on earth. Jeremy Hunt is with me. Health spending has been ring

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fenced in this Parliament. Will it be ring fenced in the next

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parliament? I would love to make a major announcement on the Daily

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Politics. This is the place to make it. But we make announcements like

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that when we are ready to make them, and now is not the moment. Let

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me finish, you asked me the question. You haven't answered it.

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Did me a chance. If you look at our record in this Parliament, it is

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better than ring fencing. Spend on the NHS in this Parliament has gone

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up by 4% in real terms. That is because we are committed to the NHS

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and to have shown that commitment and will continue to show that

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commitment. But at this stage in the last parliament when you were only

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in opposition, you were able to tell me that you were going to ring fence

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health spending. Now you are in government. Why can't you tell me

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whether or not you will? When we are ready to make a big announcement on

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NHS finances, we will do that. Will the Chancellor not give you the

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money? You will just have to be patient. Seven-day GP surgeries. You

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had it in the 2010 manifesto. You have announces again this year.

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Instead of making all these announcements, why haven't you

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attempted to get GP agreements to this? We haven't renounced it. --

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announced it again. Last year we said we were going to make it

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possible for a million people to get GP appointments seven days a week.

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We deliver that. It was a pilot, and it worked. People of working age

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don't want to wait a long time for an appointment or to take time off

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work to see their GP, and they want to be up to see their GP at

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weekends. It was a success, and we are now rolling that out. The Prime

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Minister is saying this morning he is going to roll it out to another

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million people, and by the end of the next Parliament, everyone will

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be able to do it. It was in your 2010 manifesto, and it won't be

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ready for everybody until 2020, ten years. Is that a Tory promise? We

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have delivered it for more than a million people. And what the Prime

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Minister said today is we are going to deliver it to another million

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people. And he also said something else. These things can't be magic

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doubt. To deliver this promise, you need more capacity in general

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practice, and what he has also said is we are going to train 5000 more

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GPs so that we have the capacity to deliver this commitment. And you

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cannot do it unless you get a new contract with the GPs, correct? We

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have announced a new contract today. Including this? It is part of what

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we are offering. It is being agreed with GPs outside of that contract.

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Have you begun negotiations with GPs yet? We have agreed it was 1200

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surgeries, and we will agree it with 1200 more surgeries next year. We

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have had no warning response when we offered this after last year's

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contract. Far more people wanted to take part in this than actually did.

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We have announced the new GP contract today, and we have said

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that we are going to go back to GPs having personal responsibility for

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their patients. We believe the relationship between doctor and

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patient is very important. We want every single person in England to

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have a named GP. But you can't just decree all this. Why have you

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announced more money to extend hours for most GPs when they will tell you

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that they need more resources just to deliver. You can't just ask GPs

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to do more with existing resources, because they are worked off their

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feet. It is also about making sure that they have that capacity. And

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you are heading for a ?1 billion deficit. How will you address that?

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The NHS as a whole is balancing its books and will continue to do so.

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NHS England says there is good to be a ?2 billion black hole in the

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2015/16 budget. They don't say that, they say that it is going to be

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difficult to find efficiency savings. But we have found ?20

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billion of efficiency savings in this Parliament, meaning we are

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doing a million more operations every year than we were doing four

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years ago. That is a tremendous achievement, and we're working hard

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in tough circumstances, but the NHS, despite the gloom and doom, is

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actually doing very well. But you are already missing five Kiwi team

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times targets. NHS -- five key waiting times targets. You also have

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to look at the volume of activity. We are doing nearly a million more

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operations year. Take cancer. When we came to office, we had one of the

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lowest cancer survival rate in Western Europe. We are now testing

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1000 more people every single day for cancer in the NHS. We are on

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track to treat a million more people this Parliament for cancer. And we

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are starting to close the back gap with other European countries. One

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of the targets that you miss is A waiting times. Is it true that you

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privately think that drunks who need A treatment should pay for it

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themselves? That is not what I said. I said I have sympathy for people

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who think that those who behave irresponsibly put extra pressure on

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our A, but it is difficult to work that out practically. ?6 billion of

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NHS services are now out to tender. Why do you deny that you are

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privatising the NHS? Because we are not. Using a charity, using the

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independent sector to help fulfil NHS services is not privatisation

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stop it is accepting that we don't have a monopoly of good ideas inside

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the NHS, and we need to be prepared to look at other people who have

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innovative ways of doing things. But if you look at the growth in the

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private sector services of the NHS, it grew at twice the rate in the

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last Government that it is done under this Government, and what we

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have said is something very different. We don't want politicians

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deciding if this is going to be done by the private sector or the

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traditional NHS sector. Let's let GPs on the ground make those

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decisions so that we can be sure that those decisions are taken not

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ideological reasons but for what is best for the patients. The 2012

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reform Acts opt that from being -- Reform Act stopped that from being

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the fact. We have taken the decision as to who is given a contract away

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from politicians and given it to local doctors. And as it happens,

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they are increasing the use of the independent sector at a slower rate

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than the last government, and that is their decision, and that is how

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Richard E. I was reading about a couple of clinicians who are saying

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that they haven't seen patients because they are too busy preparing

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for bids. That is not fair. The process of how you decide who is

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going to deliver services, unfortunately you have to follow EU

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guidelines. We haven't changed that. What I think has changed is that I

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would rather those decisions in the end were taken by doctors who know

:23:27.:23:31.

what patients want. That didn't happen before. I think we're getting

:23:32.:23:38.

better services, better services in the community, better services in

:23:39.:23:41.

primary care and closer to home, and I think that is a good thing for

:23:42.:23:46.

patients. But we don't know how this will work out. Why don't you put a

:23:47.:23:52.

cap on this to see how it goes? At the moment there is no limit as to

:23:53.:23:55.

how much this could go into the private sector, correct? The people

:23:56.:24:00.

who decide should be local doctors. They are the ones, and as it

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happens, they are increasing the use of the private sector at a slower

:24:06.:24:11.

rate than the Labour government. There is no limit to the amount of

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contracts that can be outsourced to the private sector, correct? The

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limit is what local doctors say it should be. Are you not worried that

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this is an uncharted experiment? You have taken ages to experiment with

:24:26.:24:31.

GPs seven days a week, 12 hours a day. Don't you need to do some

:24:32.:24:35.

experiment with this to reassure people that this is not

:24:36.:24:39.

privatisation rather than just unleashing this before everybody?

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Look at the evidence as to how things are happening. If you look at

:24:45.:24:47.

the NHS compared to four years ago, if you look at some of the things

:24:48.:24:51.

that really matter to people, whether they are treated with

:24:52.:24:55.

dignity and respect, those figures are at record levels. Whether they

:24:56.:25:00.

are getting a cancer diagnosis, a dimension diagnosis, all those

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figures are record levels. If you look at the things that matter to

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people who use the NHS, it is performing very well, and we are

:25:08.:25:11.

very proud in this Government that under huge financial pressure,

:25:12.:25:15.

pressure created because, frankly, the last government lost control of

:25:16.:25:18.

our national finances, the NHS is holding up and doing well. You said

:25:19.:25:28.

is doing well. NHS England is having to use money now that it was holding

:25:29.:25:35.

back for winter full the 18 week maximum waiting list has been

:25:36.:25:41.

broken. And for hours for A waiting targets, you have missed

:25:42.:25:44.

that target. Have you hit any targets? We have hit the majority of

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targets. These are the important ones. Let's take some of them. The

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target is to see 95% of all within or hours. We are now seeing 2000

:25:55.:26:03.

more people in A within four hours every single day then compared to

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four years ago. That is an astonishing tribute to how well our

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doctors are doing. So when you get a need the surface, you see an NHS

:26:11.:26:16.

that is working hard, but it is doing extremely well in the

:26:17.:26:19.

circumstances. If you are not giving extra money for the NHS, could you

:26:20.:26:24.

carry on as Health Secretary? I would like to carry on as Health

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Secretary. There are a lot of things I would like to do. I'm very

:26:30.:26:32.

committed to this job. It is the best job I've ever done. And we have

:26:33.:26:38.

shown in terms of our financial commitment, we have shown how

:26:39.:26:42.

committed we are this Parliament. And what we do in a future spending

:26:43.:26:45.

round will be the subject of future negotiations. It you can see

:26:46.:26:50.

priorities by the way NHS spend has gone up, despite huge financial

:26:51.:26:55.

pressures. If you were doing such a great job, why do only 5% of health

:26:56.:27:00.

professionals in that recent poll think that your reforms were

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positive? What I care about is what patients say, and if you look at

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what patients say about their NHS care, they are very happy. Things

:27:10.:27:16.

that they worried about being addressed. We have put hospitals and

:27:17.:27:20.

a special measures, and five have been turned around. That was a

:27:21.:27:24.

problem that the last government swept under the carpet. And I think

:27:25.:27:29.

patients say about their local NHS that they think it is doing well. If

:27:30.:27:34.

patients are a so happy, why does Labour have an 18 point lead on the

:27:35.:27:39.

NHS over the Tories? They have been very clever at exploiting it is an

:27:40.:27:43.

issue, and it is their traditional comfort zone. But if Labour want to

:27:44.:27:48.

have a battle on the NHS, we are very proud and we think it is doing

:27:49.:27:51.

well in challenging circumstances, and we have a plan for the future

:27:52.:27:54.

that will help to continue to make sure that the NHS is there in the

:27:55.:27:59.

way that we need it to be, and that is what the Prime Minister's

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announcement about extending GP access is about, it is about

:28:02.:28:07.

changing the NHS for a society with different expectations, and we are

:28:08.:28:11.

delivering that. If you are, why do the polls show

:28:12.:28:15.

that the NHS has risen to the third most important issue in the country,

:28:16.:28:17.

just the low the economy and immigration? Concern has been rising

:28:18.:28:23.

among the public, so why would that be if people are so happy? I would

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dispute that it has risen to being the third biggest worry. I think

:28:29.:28:32.

people have always been concerned about the NHS because it is one of

:28:33.:28:34.

the most important things to everyone in this country. They want

:28:35.:28:39.

to be able to see their GP, get to hospital in an emergency. This is

:28:40.:28:43.

something that matters to all of us. And what we should be saying to the

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British people is that if we want a strong NHS, we have to have a strong

:28:48.:28:51.

economy. It is not a choice between the two. You need a strong economy

:28:52.:28:58.

to pay for a strong NHS. And only one party, the Conservative party,

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can offer both. Last week at the Labour conference, they put the NHS

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at the centre of their election campaign. Do you welcome that?

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Absolutely. When people look at the Labour record in Wales, where they

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have been running the NHS for the last four years with frankly

:29:16.:29:21.

appalling consequences, and they haven't been facing up to the poor

:29:22.:29:24.

care in the number of hospitals, and people look at some of the problems

:29:25.:29:28.

Labour left behind in the NHS, if they were to scrutinise that, they

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are welcome. But we will stand on our record, because the NHS is done

:29:33.:29:36.

very well. How does that square with Lynton Crosby's edict, the man who

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is going to run the year of 2015 campaign, that you shouldn't talk

:29:46.:29:49.

about the NHS at all? He doesn't say that. He pretty much does. What he's

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saying is that what is important for people's families is that they have

:29:56.:29:59.

jobs, and we have created 2 million in the private sector. That they

:30:00.:30:03.

have a growing economy, we inherited a shrinking one, and we have turned

:30:04.:30:08.

it around. And that you have the kind of economy that can fund more

:30:09.:30:11.

than public services, which is what this Government has delivered. Can I

:30:12.:30:16.

just clarify on one last point. Already acute hospitals have got a

:30:17.:30:22.

half ?1 billion deficit so far, and it looks like they are heading for a

:30:23.:30:26.

?1 billion deficit. How do you feel that? The NHS as a whole world

:30:27.:30:32.

balances books. It is challenging for individual hospitals. But why?

:30:33.:30:36.

Because before when they had financial pressures, they would cut

:30:37.:30:40.

staff numbers, and we had short-staffed walls, particularly in

:30:41.:30:45.

some of the elderly care wards. Now they know that is not a notch on. We

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treat every single patient with dignity and respect and

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compassionate care. So it takes longer. That is interesting, what

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you said, but is not the answer to what I asked you, which is how will

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you feel this ?1 billion black hole?

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As I said the NHS will balance its books. I'm certain we will do that,

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with the plans in place. We will work with trusts where there are

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deficits to make sure that happens. Theresa May is speaking to the

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conference now. Boris is going to follow. Which one do you fancy to be

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the next Tory leader? I fanessy David Cameron, he is doing a

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fantastic job. -- fancy. He will be our next Prime Minister

:31:31.:31:34.

and lead this country through one of the biggest challenges since we have

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had since the Second World War and British people know it is an

:31:38.:31:40.

extraordinary thing to do. See yourself as leader one day? I think

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David Cameron will be the man. He is not going to be oorned forever as he

:31:45.:31:50.

said during the Scottish referendum, whenever he goes. When he falls,

:31:51.:31:56.

Prime Minister Hunt. I think Health Secretary Hunt for five years, is my

:31:57.:32:02.

ambition. Prime Minister Cameron is the Prime Minister. You want to say

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as Health Secretary? I do. A sucker for punishment.

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Thank you investment We mentioned Boris is coming up. Our Giles was

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out and about voks popping as we say in the business -- vox popping.

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Let's see what he Z

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Rewe looking forward to Boris? Yes, I suppose so. Why? I wish he would

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talk more sense and stop the messing about. He says humorous things. They

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stick with you. What is the Boris affect? I don't know. I think he is

:32:46.:32:50.

a sort of popstar of the political world. The fact is, when he came to

:32:51.:32:57.

Leeds I have never seen so many people crowd round and want to meet

:32:58.:33:03.

him. We should tap into it. You are definitely jealous. Of course I am.

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Are youk looking forward to Boris? Very much looking forward to him.

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Why does he get some pulses racing and others maybe not? Boris. An

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exciting mayor. It is... Interesting -- because he is Boris He has more

:33:28.:33:31.

charisma than a normal politician. I'm excited to see what he is going

:33:32.:33:36.

to see especially now he has announced he is going to be an MP.

:33:37.:33:41.

He exkuds friendliness and passion and warmth. You are swaying talking

:33:42.:33:47.

about him. I think he is lovely. He is lovely. That's what she said.

:33:48.:33:52.

Anyway, Boris is speaking shortly. Theresa May the Home Secretary is

:33:53.:33:56.

still speaking to the hall. The hall is increasingly filling up. I kind

:33:57.:33:59.

of suspect they are all there to see Boris. Boris Johnson, what is a

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party to do with him? If he no 'S phenomenon, a spectacle. A

:34:05.:34:07.

fairground show, a show pony, they love him. You mean's con? He is not

:34:08.:34:13.

a conbut people, were they to come to consider him as a possible Prime

:34:14.:34:18.

Minister, would be asking different questions from the questions they

:34:19.:34:23.

are asking now. Is he fun? Is he going to be entertaining? He is all

:34:24.:34:27.

those things and this party like all political parties are short on that.

:34:28.:34:30.

Would they be asking tougher questions if there was a prospect he

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could become leader of this party and Prime Minister They would be

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asking much, much tougher questions. I'm not saying there wouldn't be an

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answer to them but the questions have not been asked yet. He is on

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message this morning. If I were Boris and wanted to be leader of the

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Conservative Party. I would worry about the frenzy that surrounds him.

:34:50.:34:53.

When people attract this degree of kind of hysteria, they never become

:34:54.:34:57.

leader. When Michael Portillo used to come to Tory conferences, he was

:34:58.:35:01.

adored, a similar frenzy. It never worked. Tony Benn for Labour in the

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'80s, a frenzy you could feel around the whole town of the conference. I

:35:07.:35:10.

was chairing a fringe meeting next door to him last night. I could feel

:35:11.:35:14.

the atmosphere from his fringe meeting in our fringe meeting but it

:35:15.:35:18.

is dangerous for him. In the end, it will go wrong in terms of the

:35:19.:35:22.

leadership. There will be disappointment to accompany the

:35:23.:35:25.

frenzy at some point. But there was a frenzy for Mr Benn at Labour

:35:26.:35:30.

Conferences from the left. It was ideological, there was a frenzy from

:35:31.:35:36.

Mr Portillo from the right of the Conservatives before we on This Week

:35:37.:35:41.

reinvented him and made him a more cuddly, nicer figure. These are eye

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legal logical. The Boris frenzy, I would suggest is the cult of

:35:47.:35:50.

personality. With the other two it was about personality. Benn was a

:35:51.:35:56.

mesmerising orator. Mr Portillo didn't have a personality. He had an

:35:57.:36:05.

aura. An aura? He did. It is not what you are living with on Thursday

:36:06.:36:09.

night. It went beyond ideological. But you are right they were rooted

:36:10.:36:15.

in their parties and that was their appeal. He moves all over the place.

:36:16.:36:20.

That could be a problem. It is a cult of personality. He is an

:36:21.:36:25.

ideological chameleon, isn't he? All politics is about personality but

:36:26.:36:28.

there is a serious danger for Boris Johnson. That is, I think, he is

:36:29.:36:33.

trying to court the interest of the Conservative right. He is not a

:36:34.:36:36.

right-wing politician. He is a middle of the road, liberal... A

:36:37.:36:44.

social Liberal. Lotion Liberal. -- 'S 'S' social Liberal. He quite

:36:45.:36:49.

likes Europe and immigration. So something that could happen, preever

:36:50.:36:53.

to run seriously for the leadership, is he would have to betray the

:36:54.:36:58.

Conservative right. That problem could come over the hills. He is

:36:59.:37:02.

playing the populist card at the moment. And his speeches are also

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all over the place ideological. Some of them have been quite Keynesen.

:37:07.:37:15.

Putting the London economy, benefitting the UK economy. Then he

:37:16.:37:20.

will argue for a much smaller state. Then he says he wants to be in

:37:21.:37:24.

Europe and then hint happy outside Europe. These things would have to

:37:25.:37:27.

be tested if he were to stand for the leadership. That would apply to

:37:28.:37:30.

other candidates. I mean they are all pitching right wards at the

:37:31.:37:33.

moment because that's where they feel they need the support to read a

:37:34.:37:39.

leadership contest. In the end, coherent messages win leadership

:37:40.:37:44.

contests. It is widely assumed if Mr Miliband loses in May, he will

:37:45.:37:49.

resign as Labour Leader. If Mr Cameron loses in May, he will resign

:37:50.:37:53.

as Conservative leader. If he does resign as Conservative leader, do we

:37:54.:37:58.

assume Boris will throw his hat in the ring, as night follow day, and

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who will be the other candidates? Well, Boris has promised that he

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wouldn't do that, but he has broken promises before. I would expect he

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would break this one. You say I'm on message today. I'm not sure, because

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I think if the Conservative Party lose the next election, all hell is

:38:15.:38:20.

going to break loose within the party. It will be chaos and it'll go

:38:21.:38:26.

on for years. Would it be possible, do you think, for someone to become

:38:27.:38:31.

leader of this post-defeat Conservative Party, we are

:38:32.:38:34.

hypothesising, who was in favour of staying in the European Union? I

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think it would be possible for someone who pretended they were

:38:39.:38:40.

against Europe, but weren't really. And that might be somebody like

:38:41.:38:45.

Boris. I think in defeat the Conservative Party would be looking

:38:46.:38:47.

for reassurance and something colourful. So it would be either be

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somebody from the right of the party or it would be Boris Johnson. In

:38:52.:38:56.

defeat is there not a danger of a reverse takeover by Nigel Farage?

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Yes. You say yes. In victory, too, Europe is going to be a massive,

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massive problem for Cameron to manage. Funny enough, I think in

:39:07.:39:13.

defeat it becomes - as Matthew said - all hell breaks loose but it

:39:14.:39:17.

becomes in a less pressurised context than in government, where he

:39:18.:39:20.

has to deliver a renegotiation that will appeal to enough of his party.

:39:21.:39:24.

Let's start with his parliamentary party. I can't see how he does that.

:39:25.:39:28.

So Europe will remain an issue for this party. A huge issue, in power

:39:29.:39:32.

or out. And whether a new leader this party. A huge issue, in power

:39:33.:39:37.

come in on a manifesto which says staying in Europe is their

:39:38.:39:40.

preferable option is an interesting question. I suspect they can,

:39:41.:39:44.

because I think defeat will be traumatic and will lead to an

:39:45.:39:49.

introspection which might not necessarily head towards Farage. If

:39:50.:39:53.

it is defeat, this will be an even more eurosceptic party. Hold that

:39:54.:39:55.

thought. I have been told that the Mayor of London has finally made it

:39:56.:40:00.

to the stage. And there he is in the hall. Going to the podium. Let's

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hear from Boris Johnson, the Mayor of London.

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Good morning everybody. Thank you for that lovely introduction. Can I

:40:06.:40:09.

just say, not only is Tanya going to be a fantastic MP, but she will do

:40:10.:40:15.

this country the service of removing Vince Cable from Parliament, which

:40:16.:40:20.

is a wonderful -- a wonderful thing to be doing. It is fantastic to be

:40:21.:40:24.

here in Birmingham, everybody but before I go any further, I just want

:40:25.:40:29.

to check one thing. I want to check - is everybody here? Are we all

:40:30.:40:32.

here, by in large, proud Conservatives? Yes. Are we proud of

:40:33.:40:39.

the oldest and most successful party in all western democracies? Yes Do

:40:40.:40:44.

we intend to fight the next election under the Conservative banner and no

:40:45.:40:48.

other? Yes. Are there any defectors here? No. Are there any quitters or

:40:49.:40:56.

splitters? No Anybody silly being yellow around the edges, like a

:40:57.:41:06.

kipper? LAUGHTER If I can quote a great Midlands' author "He wish hath

:41:07.:41:11.

no stomach to the fight, let him depart." He was from Midlands but of

:41:12.:41:18.

course came to London. Indeed - if she has no stomach let her depart I

:41:19.:41:23.

think this is a fantastic time to be a Conservative. I think in the last

:41:24.:41:26.

few weeks, particularly last week, we have seen the beginning of the

:41:27.:41:37.

end tap owe ka-consensus that Ed Miliband could get into power by

:41:38.:41:41.

pandering to his core vote and relying on the gross unfairness of

:41:42.:41:48.

the electoral system. The chattering classes are waking up to the reality

:41:49.:41:55.

that victory is within our grasp, in the next eight months and I think

:41:56.:42:00.

last week in Manchester, you saw the final explosion of the myth that

:42:01.:42:04.

Labour is doomed to success. Because... LAUGHTER. In setting out

:42:05.:42:11.

what should have been his programme to the country, the Labour Leader

:42:12.:42:15.

gave a surreal speech in which he described how he tried to find

:42:16.:42:20.

material by randomly accosting young people in London parks, desperately

:42:21.:42:24.

hoping for inspiration And yet, he failed in all of this, to mention

:42:25.:42:28.

the economy. As George rightly pointed out the other day. My

:42:29.:42:33.

friends, it can only be called a Freuden slip. His subspshes

:42:34.:42:40.

rebelled. The baggage handlers in his memory went on strike. As indeed

:42:41.:42:47.

they would... APPLAUSE

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As indeed they woop under a Labour -- as indeed they would under a

:42:52.:42:54.

Labour Government And they refused to load the word "deficit" on to the

:42:55.:43:00.

conveyor belt of his tongue. On the central question of politics, he

:43:01.:43:05.

knows it is we Conservatives who are taking the country forward and

:43:06.:43:15.

Labour would take us back to the Brown/Blair slash Balls/Miliband

:43:16.:43:20.

regime that difficult gave us the worst recession for 100 years. We

:43:21.:43:25.

don't want to go back, do we? Things are going well for our country and

:43:26.:43:33.

on the verge of getting better. People will object to me saying

:43:34.:43:38.

this, I'm just the tow rag Mayor of London where things are supposed to

:43:39.:43:42.

be so different indeed. I noticed over the recent months of the

:43:43.:43:48.

campaign in Scotland there was a slight noe note of not just

:43:49.:43:52.

Anglo-phobia but London phobia by some of the friends in the Scottish

:43:53.:43:57.

National Party, a suggestion that Londoners were politically, cultural

:43:58.:44:00.

and economically divorced from the rest of the country and to listen to

:44:01.:44:03.

some of the London bashing, you might think that our capital was a

:44:04.:44:09.

modern Babylon, with billionaires being plied with hot towels on the

:44:10.:44:14.

top deck club class of their swanky new buses or guzzling pearls

:44:15.:44:25.

dissolved in Srinagar. -- VIP egar, while lolling back on the padded

:44:26.:44:29.

cushions of their Barclay's hire bikes.

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APPLAUSE. AND WHILST I REJECT THIS RUBBISH, I

:44:35.:44:39.

WOULD HAVE TO admit one of the rain reasons why I don't want this

:44:40.:44:43.

country to lurch back it Labour, is that the current story of London is

:44:44.:44:47.

one of amazing success. And success that in so many ways helps everybody

:44:48.:44:54.

in the City, as Theresa May has just said, getting crime down, which is

:44:55.:44:58.

of such moneyed fennel importance to everybody throughout our city. We

:44:59.:45:03.

have a murder rate reduced by roughly 50% over the last six years,

:45:04.:45:08.

to pick a period at entirely random. And we have bus crime down by about

:45:09.:45:13.

40%, which obviously not crime-committed by bus, which is

:45:14.:45:16.

very rare indeed now but crime committed on buses. I echo much of

:45:17.:45:23.

what Teresa said and I would like to pay tribute to the thousands of men

:45:24.:45:27.

and women of the Metropolitan Police who work to bring crime down in our

:45:28.:45:32.

city and I think they are doing absolutely a fantastic job.

:45:33.:45:34.

APPLAUSE If you press me, I would admit that

:45:35.:45:47.

we are going through an unprecedented era of improvement in

:45:48.:45:51.

our transport line, the Victoria line faster, the Jubilee line

:45:52.:45:57.

faster, delays on the tube down 40%, air conditioning coming in even on

:45:58.:46:03.

the deep tube, crossrail on time, on budget, a monumental feat of British

:46:04.:46:10.

engineering. And next year, under a Conservative mayor, we will be

:46:11.:46:15.

taking the Northern line through the Battersea, the first time anyone has

:46:16.:46:18.

put together enough drive it finance to build a role where in London

:46:19.:46:24.

since the days of Margaret Thatcher. -- a railway in London. George is

:46:25.:46:35.

underwriting it, but if you pull my toenails out, I would confess to you

:46:36.:46:40.

that post-Olympic London is the most popular and most successful city on

:46:41.:46:45.

earth. We had 16.9 million tourist visitors last year, knocking Paris

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off the number one spot. We are building a superb garden bridge in

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the middle of the city, doing fantastic things in the Olympic

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Park, I could go on and on. My point to you today is that if someone

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tells you that that means London is somehow different from the rest of

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the country, and above all, if they try to imply that what happens in

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London is irrelevant to the economic fortunes of our nation, then I would

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respectfully tell them that they are talking through the back of their

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net. At this conference, we can say with pride that London remains not

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just the capital of England but, thanks to the wisdom of a clear

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majority of Scott, it is the capital of Britain and the capital of the

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United Kingdom. APPLAUSE

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And will, I believe, remain so for our lifetimes. You have permission

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to purr if you so choose, Dave. APPLAUSE

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When the great flywheel of the London economy turns, it drives the

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vast and intricately connected locomotives that is the British

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economy. You have heard in the past how I have talked about the impact

:48:29.:48:31.

of London transport contracts on the rest of the economy, investing

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billions on vehicles from Liverpool and Ballymena. You have heard me

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point out that there would be no financial services industry in

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Edinburgh if it was not for London, and now let me give you a yet more

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concrete and yet more substantial, tangible example. Behold this

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brick. It was given to me yesterday in Newcastle under Lyme. A

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constituency where we Conservatives - I won't throw it - a constituency

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where we may well win, and they have built a factory which only started

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last year and is being propelled by the positive benefits of help to

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buy, and is capable of making 80 million of these objects per year.

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APPLAUSE And if you want to know why that

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factory is starting to hire people and fire bricks in huge numbers,

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look at the skyline of London sprouting with extraordinary growth

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like a speeded up David Attenborough nature film about the return of

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spring to the Canadian tundra, and that was why Ed Miliband was silent

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on the key issue facing our country. That was why his son conscious opts

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to him and implored him not to mention the economy. -- his

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subconscious. The difference between us and Labour is that they talk and

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we do. APPLAUSE

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As Ed Miliband's great hero Engels almost put it, and outs of Tory

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action is worth a tonne of Labour fury. What is the answer to our

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housing problem? Is it to put a new tax on housing? Punishing those who

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have worked hard for years to pay their mortgages and hope to pass on

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something to their children? Is that the right way forward? Or is it to

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do what all great Conservative administrations have done over the

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last 100 years, and to build homes that people need? And to help them

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onto the property ladder. And I am proud to say that in London it is

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not just that we have enabled to build more affordable homes in the

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recession than Labour ever did in the boom, and we will get up to over

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100,000 soon. We are building places with gardens, decent room sizes. And

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I look at the 38 post-industrial Brownfield opportunity areas across

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the city and I see space to build hundreds of thousands, 400,000

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perhaps more without getting anywhere near the green belt, and I

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want those homes marketed first. And sold first, the people from this

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country, and people from London, and not necessarily to oligarchs from

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the planet Zog. But I want to reassure you that I am very far from

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Zoggist, and most of my ancestors came from Zog. But that is the

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challenge, to build more homes. We will need 1 billion of these

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bricks. Brick, you will not be alone. He will not be alone when he

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comes to London. And that is a lot of work.

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APPLAUSE That is a lot of work for factories

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in the Midlands. And there are pipes, bathrooms, the whole

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caboodle. And those businesses are not just supporting the London

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economy. They are exported around the world. And I have been around a

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bit, and I have seen a tie factory where they are taking on more

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workers to satisfy the demand for common cummerbunds in China. And a

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factory making chillies and working with the Indian government to supply

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weapons strength chillies from Wiltshire for crowd control and

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managing riots. Isn't that amazing? I have tried it. Believe me, they

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will be begging for water cannon! Everywhere I go, I see new ideas in

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this country, new businesses starting up and a new conference.

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And what is the best way to support those start-ups? What is the best

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way of giving hope, not just the kids coming onto the job market but

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people in their 40s and 50s who have been hit by the recession, people

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who may be coming onto the job market in their 50s, like me. Is it

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more regulation? Is that the answer? Is it higher income taxes as

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Ed Balls once, for anyone earning more than ?26,000? One of those

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Labour policies that Ed Miliband mysteriously wiped from his data

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banks as he stood up to speak. Do you think for one second that Labour

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is going to help those companies to grow or take on more staff or be

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more ambitious? Of course they won't. For 200 years, our party has

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been the party that believes in social justice, in managing and

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mitigating the worst effects of the free market. We believe that you

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have got to go that way. We believe we are the best answered inequality,

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opportunity. We believe in in courage and success, not punishing

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it. We believe in wealth creation, not constant levelling down. And we

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believe that for all its defects, the free market is the best means we

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have yet found for satisfying the wants of humanity. And that is why

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all of our policies are aimed at getting people into work, creating

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250,000 apprenticeships, as we are doing in London, or as we will have

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done, aiming for 3 million across the country? Nod the Prime Minister.

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And willing people to work hard, they get up early, they do the 24/7

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jobs that make London the capital of the world. We Conservatives believe

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that they should be decently paid, and that is why I am so proud of

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what we have done with the London living wage, now paid by...

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APPLAUSE It is now paid by about 408 firms, a

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1200% increase on what Labour ever achieved when they were in office,

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putting almost ?100 million into the pockets of the poorest families in

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London. Not by compulsion, not by legislation, not by coercion, not by

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negotiation with Len McCluskey, but by simply showing companies that it

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is the right thing to do, not just for their employees but for those

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companies themselves, because, believe me, that investment in their

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people shows up in the bottom line, in lower HR bills, less absenteeism,

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higher productivity, loyalty, commitment. That is the Conservative

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approach. Cutting taxes wherever we can, managing our responsibilities

:57:47.:57:54.

as we have done in London. Governing economically and responsibly to let

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people on low incomes keep more of what they earn, as this Government

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has done, reducing the burdens on business that create the wealth we

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need. And the last thing we need is more regulation from Brussels,

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folks. And in common with many other people around the Yukon I want

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reform not just of the CAB that costs every family ?400 per year in

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food costs, not just of the common fisheries policy, I want to change

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the whole mentality that pervades the Brussels commission, and that

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tells us, tells them that they can decide how powerful our vacuum

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cleaners should be, a point on which I will not elaborate. There is only

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one leader in Europe who can deliver that reform. One man who has the

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experience and the respect in Europe to make the case, and then take that

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case to the people of this country in the in/out referendum that we

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have been denied for 40 years. And that man is not Salmond or Clegg or

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Farage, because not one of the will give us a referendum. That man is

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David Cameron. APPLAUSE

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The man who has the natural authority around that table in

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Brussels that goes with the leadership of the fastest-growing

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economy. And that is the man who is going to lead our country into 2015

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and beyond, my friends. APPLAUSE

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That's our new fisheries policy that we need. First chuck Salmond

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overboard. He then, then eat the kippers for breakfast.

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We will fight them on the beaches of Clacton, won't we? And we'll fight

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them and defeat them on the beaches of Rochester and Strood as well.

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While we are on the subject of constitutional common sense I want

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it end the nonsense and I'm sure you all want to, that allows Labour MPs

:00:35.:00:41.

to sit in Parliament and vote on English matters when they have no

:00:42.:00:45.

corresponding powers in Scot lands and those Scottish MPs have no say

:00:46.:00:54.

in those matters in so far might affect their own constituents. David

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Cameron is the only leader to pledge to sort out that anomaly. I was

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looking at the way the London economy is developing. We now export

:01:03.:01:07.

more music to America than we import. Which is incredible when you

:01:08.:01:11.

consider the relatively sizes of our economy. The great music trade is

:01:12.:01:17.

predominantly westward across the Atlantic which is presumably we have

:01:18.:01:21.

a band called One Direction. There is a joke there somewhere, anyway. I

:01:22.:01:29.

don't know if you saw the film, a wonderful film with George Clooney

:01:30.:01:33.

and Sandra Bullock called Gravity. You see the cowering of the

:01:34.:01:39.

interstellar projectile going past them like a couple o pensioners

:01:40.:01:44.

shouldering from Ed Miliband's new property taxes. Where did those

:01:45.:01:48.

asteroids come from? They didn't come from outer space. Each and

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every one, manufactured in Soho. Look at the text sector, which

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London is now dominant in Europe, much to the irritation, by the way

:02:02.:02:05.

Angela Merkel, who can see that we are taking off now in the 21st

:02:06.:02:09.

century industries that are going to matter to all Western economies. We

:02:10.:02:15.

lead in biotech, fin tech, nano-tech, green tech, tech. And all

:02:16.:02:24.

types of tech. And that affect - that cluster of energy and

:02:25.:02:28.

enterprise in London has now long-since spread over the last few

:02:29.:02:32.

years. You can see it all over the country, spreading into Birmingham,

:02:33.:02:36.

to Manchester. Every other great city. Just as the canal that I ran

:02:37.:02:42.

or rather to thorred along this morning, is part of the same great

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interconnected body of water, that flows right past my house in

:02:48.:02:50.

Islington, fancy that, exactly the same. All joined up. That's the

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strength and diversity of the London economy, shared with the rest of the

:02:55.:02:58.

UK. And it is not, by the way, just in tech and media and culture and

:02:59.:03:03.

creativity. It is also in manufacturing. I think I'm right in

:03:04.:03:08.

saying - we are on the verge of - that's why Angela Merkel is so worry

:03:09.:03:12.

about our tech success, because we are on the verge of doing so well in

:03:13.:03:16.

the old metal-bashing industries as well. We are on the verge of

:03:17.:03:21.

becoming I think the second-biggest car manufacturer in Europe. An

:03:22.:03:24.

astounding thing to have achieved for this country, when you consider

:03:25.:03:27.

where we were in the 1970s. APPLAUSE

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And, let me conclude by saying, that if you go out for an evening in Las

:03:34.:03:38.

Vegas, if you are lucky to go out for an evening in Las Vegas, as so

:03:39.:03:44.

many bright young British people do, and have a wonderful time and you

:03:45.:03:50.

missed the last - you know, somehow or other you lose your bearings, and

:03:51.:03:56.

you wake up with a thundering hangover - you know. It is going to

:03:57.:04:00.

happen in Las Vegas. And you find yourself sheltering under the anding

:04:01.:04:06.

of a bus stop. -- under a the awning. Suppose you missed the last

:04:07.:04:12.

limo home and have to caught a bus, which is possible in Las Vegas. Do

:04:13.:04:15.

you know, the chances are, that that bus stop will be made in London.

:04:16.:04:22.

And that busstop, I am proud to say, is very likely to have been made,

:04:23.:04:31.

not just in London, but in the London borough of Hillingdon. A

:04:32.:04:37.

borough I hope, very much, to represent in Parliament next year.

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APPLAUSE And I want to thank... APPLAUSE

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I want to thank the organisers of this conference of giving me quite

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so much time to a mere prospective parliamentary candidate for Uxbridge

:04:55.:04:59.

and South Ruislip. And as I look ahead, folks, I can see only one

:05:00.:05:03.

obstacle that we have to clear in the next few years and that is the

:05:04.:05:07.

threat of a Labour Government next year. So, let us unite now. Let's

:05:08.:05:12.

get together. Let's get the whole Conservative family together and

:05:13.:05:19.

take the fight to the unrepentant unreconstructed semi Marxist mill

:05:20.:05:23.

and Balls and their plan to take this country back to the policies

:05:24.:05:29.

that led us to disaster last time. -- Miliband and Balls.

:05:30.:05:33.

And let's be proud of our party and what we have done. When people doubt

:05:34.:05:39.

us and our intentions, let's explain again and again our fundamental

:05:40.:05:43.

Conservative insight that it is only by encouraging and enabling wealth

:05:44.:05:47.

creation that we can hope, as a nation, to protect the vulnerable

:05:48.:05:51.

and the needy and deliver the social justice, in which we believe. And,

:05:52.:05:57.

if we can get over that simultaneous message of hope, and enterprise, the

:05:58.:06:03.

real one-nation message, then I have no doubt that we can win in 2015.

:06:04.:06:08.

And win big. APPLAUSE So let's leave Ed Balls to

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his football practice or whatever he gets up to. Let's leave Ed Miliband

:06:16.:06:23.

to master the art of a bacon sarnie. Let's leave the Clegger, old Nick

:06:24.:06:28.

Clegg to get on with whatever it is that he does, which I haven't quite

:06:29.:06:31.

discovered. Let us Conservatives get on with our work of unleashing the

:06:32.:06:37.

talents of the people of this country, and the most dynamic

:06:38.:06:41.

economy in Europe. Thank you very much for listening to me and see you

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at the barricades. Thank you. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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The Prime Minister made sure he was first to his feet there as Boris

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Johnson came to the end of his remarks. Mr Cameron always likes to

:06:58.:07:01.

be seen to be enjoying Boris Johnson's speech. I'm sure he does -

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perhaps. Anyway, Mr Johnson followed the Home

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Secretary, Theresa May. She gave us a very sombre speech about the

:07:11.:07:14.

terrorist threat. Mr Johnson was more in character with the more

:07:15.:07:21.

barnstorming approach. You can see he filled the hall there. Clint

:07:22.:07:26.

Eastwood once spoke to a chair at a republic convention and Boris

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Johnson at a Conservative Party Conference today spoke to a brick. I

:07:30.:07:33.

guess, if you can do one, you can do the other. We are joined by a couple

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of Tory MPs. We'll talk about Europe in a minute.

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Let's talk about Boris. Is he the future leader of your party? He is

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obviously one of the runners and riders but I'm not sure we are

:07:47.:07:49.

planning to change our leader for sometime. We are going to win the

:07:50.:07:52.

election and David Cameron will be the Prime Minister. If it did come

:07:53.:07:55.

to changing leader, would you consider him kindly? I would

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consider all the candidates. I understand that, but would you

:08:01.:08:04.

consider him kindly? I would consider all the candidates very

:08:05.:08:07.

kindly, Andrew. You would? Yes. What about you? I think we've got A, a

:08:08.:08:14.

very good leader now and a lot of very good potential future leaders,

:08:15.:08:19.

including Boris. Including Boris? Is he on your side on Europe, do you

:08:20.:08:24.

think? I'm not sure. I think he very much sees the benefits of being in

:08:25.:08:30.

the European Union, but like me and most members of the country he wants

:08:31.:08:34.

to see changes in the way we do business with Europe and the way

:08:35.:08:37.

Europe does business with us. Is he on your side? I attended a very good

:08:38.:08:41.

fringe meeting yesterday which was also address bid Gerard Lions the

:08:42.:08:46.

economist. He has produced this very comprehensive document about the

:08:47.:08:49.

City of London and our future in Europe. He says, quite rightly, that

:08:50.:08:52.

we have great opportunities outside the European Union, as well as

:08:53.:08:56.

within the European Union but we have to get the relationship with

:08:57.:09:00.

the European Union right. Let's stick with Europe. Jeremy here quite

:09:01.:09:05.

likes the EU, Bernard, not so much. What about the party faithful here

:09:06.:09:07.

in Birmingham? Here is our Giles. If there's one issue that the Tories

:09:08.:09:13.

feel very passionately about, one issue that divides them more

:09:14.:09:16.

than any other and one issue that some party strategists wish would

:09:17.:09:19.

just go away - it's Europe. David Cameron is going to offer

:09:20.:09:22.

a referendum "in/out" in 2017. There are a huge mix of views

:09:23.:09:24.

in the Conservative Party. But I think there is

:09:25.:09:30.

a general assumption that If you had a referendum right now,

:09:31.:09:32.

in or out? We should be in the European Union,

:09:33.:09:37.

I strongly believe that. It does need a lot of reform,

:09:38.:09:39.

don't get me wrong, absolutely. We can't have the uncertainty,

:09:40.:09:46.

business needs to know, in or out, but and we should stay in

:09:47.:09:49.

as a result. Obviously in Government but

:09:50.:09:51.

but out of the EU. My instinct is that we're very

:09:52.:09:54.

likely to be out, unless the Prime Minister can pull

:09:55.:09:58.

something real good out You are allowed one vote

:09:59.:10:00.

and one ball. Well, it's got to be out, guys,

:10:01.:10:06.

there you go. Because we are fed up with

:10:07.:10:10.

people running our country. We want to have employment laws that

:10:11.:10:15.

make us the fastest-growing place and the biggest GDP, growing

:10:16.:10:26.

in the whole of the Western world. You sound awfully

:10:27.:10:28.

like people I met in Doncaster? Well, Doncaster is

:10:29.:10:31.

an awfully nice place but South Derbyshire is good enough for me

:10:32.:10:34.

and it is staying Tory, thank you. Most of

:10:35.:10:37.

the Tories that were out have left It is surprising to me, that

:10:38.:10:39.

there are a remainder still out. But the box doesn't lie.

:10:40.:10:45.

No Secretary of State playing ball. I personally benefited from the EU

:10:46.:10:50.

from programmes, for example, I have lived in France

:10:51.:10:59.

for many years and I think we are stronger to be part of something

:11:00.:11:04.

bigger in a globalised world. I'm out personally under

:11:05.:11:07.

the current terms. I think we should be a global power,

:11:08.:11:11.

not just confined to a European We should have

:11:12.:11:15.

a free trade agreement with the European and actually expand

:11:16.:11:17.

and let's trade with the world. They don't like this one,

:11:18.:11:20.

it scares them. When I was 11 I was

:11:21.:11:24.

a eurosceptic and now I'm not. A little bit early

:11:25.:11:36.

but then I got a little bit more... I think there is always a few people

:11:37.:11:49.

that just don't quite understand. What they don't understand is we

:11:50.:11:53.

have won the argument on Europe. It is a crucial thing to take place,

:11:54.:11:56.

it'll affect our country Really complex detailed

:11:57.:11:59.

negotiations to take place. You've got to listen to that, see

:12:00.:12:02.

what the arguments are, see how it The moodbox never

:12:03.:12:05.

ceases to surprise. Very early on, out was well ahead,

:12:06.:12:09.

well ahead and then, suddenly, Now, some people were

:12:10.:12:12.

so surprised by that, One solution seems to be -

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lots of Tories who used to be out There we go, 150/150. Bernard Jenkin

:12:19.:12:43.

s it your view that the Prime Minister can recat patriot enough

:12:44.:12:47.

powers to satisfy you? Well, he wants us to be anp independent

:12:48.:12:50.

nation state with trade and can he operation with our European

:12:51.:12:54.

partners. He doesn't want to be in a superstate, banking or monetary

:12:55.:12:58.

union. Unfortunately the treaties don't provide for that relationship

:12:59.:13:01.

at the moment. We need very substantial changes it the treaties

:13:02.:13:04.

in order to maintain that relationship. Do I think we can

:13:05.:13:07.

obtain that within the European Union? I have my doubts. And if he

:13:08.:13:12.

didn't achieve that, or if it proved impossible to get these changes to

:13:13.:13:16.

the treaties, would you vote to come out? Well, then I think the

:13:17.:13:19.

negotiation would turn into something different. The negotiation

:13:20.:13:23.

would be a negotiation about what relationship we would be having with

:13:24.:13:27.

our European partners from outside the treaty. So, by the time the

:13:28.:13:30.

referendum actually came, if the Prime Minister was recommending for

:13:31.:13:35.

us to leave, he would have a clear policy and clear direction to

:13:36.:13:39.

explain how that was going to work, as Gerard Lions put in his document,

:13:40.:13:44.

for example. Do you think, it is conceivable that the Prime Minister

:13:45.:13:48.

would campaign to leave? I'm not sure whether it is conceivable. I

:13:49.:13:52.

would hope we won't get to that police at all. I would hope we have

:13:53.:13:57.

a clear renegotiation that the Prime Minister would be able to for and we

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would be able to, as a party, saying we are campaigning... It is not

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going as far as Bernard Jenkins wants, isn't it? We would still be

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part of the CAP and common fisheries policy. There will still be free

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movement of peoples. That's not going to be renegotiated. That

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doesn't sound like a new relationships I think it is possible

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to renegotiate a new relationship on some of those things. We have seen

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negotiation of the Common Fisheries Policy under this government. We

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need to present to the British people a real vision of what it is

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like to be in and out of the European Union. Let's see all the

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positive things about it and neglectivities things and let the

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British people make up their own mind. What are the positive things?

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A high degree of cooperation. Free movement of good and services. And

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people? ? I'm personally rather in favour of immigration. I think what

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poisons the debate is being unable to control and decide who comes in

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and out of our own country. I think we need to get back the control of

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free movement of people. You would vote to stay in, even if there isn't

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a renegotiation, correct? On balance, I probably would. I believe

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the European Union brings great benefits to Britain, as well as

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having these problems we need to deal with. But I think it is well

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worth going through this and making sure we put the decision to the

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British people. It has to be the British people who make the

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decision. It sounds like you would vote to leave or have a totally new

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relationship unless there is major repatriation. This is what we would

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call a divided party. As you saw from the walls tumbling

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into the boxes, there are two views. And David Cameron was very frank

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that people should be able to vote whichever way they want a

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referendum. At what we need is a mandate on the direction that the

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Prime Minister is to take. We need a mandate for the kind of direction. I

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am sure we will be discussing that in the run-up to the election. We're

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joined now by Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond. Lots of important

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things to talk about. How many sorties has the RAF launched? I

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think they are running about two a day. And family bombs they dropped?

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They have not yet attacked a target. Why not? There is a process going on

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of gathering intelligence surveillance data, synthesising

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that, establishing pattern of life. When we do release our weapons, we

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have to be absolutely sure that they are against ISIL targets, that they

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are not go to kill innocent Sunni Muslims civilians in areas occupied

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by ISIL, otherwise we have the opposite effect than that wished.

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But they did reconnaissance before. It is a military process now.

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Parliament has made its decision. We have authorised the RAF to go ahead,

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and they are doing what they do superbly well. If there is an air

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force in the world that can carry out this task while minimising the

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risk of civilian casualties and the risk of collateral damage, the RAF

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is the air force. Islamic State is now on the outskirts of Baghdad and

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is close to taking Kobani. I'm not sure about the information about the

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outskirts of Baghdad and whether that is correct. I think it is

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Baghdad province, not Baghdad city. They are not that close. They have

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swept up 200 villages in the past 14 days. Baghdad is well defended, and

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we're confident about that. We won't be panicked into dropping bombs all

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over the place. We have to make sure that we identify the enemy, monitor

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their movements so that we know where they are, and then we attacked

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precisely at the targets. But do we really have the capabilities to do

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this. How many combat squadrons did we have won the first Gulf war broke

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out in 1991? I can't answer the question. We have 30. How many do we

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have now? It depends on your definition of a combat squad. We

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have 120 typhoon aircraft and 40 Tornadoes. You have seven. I am not

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going to play this game that you have been playing over the last

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week. This is relevant. There is nobody who knows anything about air

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power who is suggesting that the French air force is a more

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formidable force than the RAF. It is not just about how many formations

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you have. It is about the training of your people, the capability of

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York were mad, the structure in the organisation, and the RAAF is a

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formidable force. The Tornado is the only plane we have that can do this

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position bombing, so why are we scrapping the squadron next year?

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Because in 2019 we will phase out the Tornado. In 2018, we will have

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the F 35 coming into service, and between now and 2019, we will be

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integrating the air to ground weapons that are currently on the

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tornado and the Brimstone onto our Typhoon force, so it will become a

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genuine multirole aircraft with a grand capability, and the new joint

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strike fighter with its stealth characteristics, the F 35, will

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augment and supplements that. They keep on blowing up at the moment.

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The Prime Minister had to delay the scrapping of the tornado during the

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Libyan air raids, and are we going to do the same again? We have enough

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Tornadoes to carry out the task. We have enough Tornadoes to go on.

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Explained to me. Keeping the 2 squadron, you say we can't afford

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that, but we have a budget of ?10 billion a year. We have a

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complicated restructuring programme to draw down all the equipment that

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is becoming obsolete and replace it with new state-of-the-art equipment.

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I have seen no reason why we would want to change that plan or disrupt

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that plan. There is certainly no reason on the basis of the campaign

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that we have undertaken to take parting in Iraq. We can do that with

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the tornado capability that we have got. And by the way, I am not the

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Defence Secretary. You were, and is Foreign Secretary you deploy the

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defences. Would an attack on Syria Beagle? There is advised that there

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is a credible legal basis for collective self defence. So why have

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we not included Syria in our attack? Because the was to support

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the Iraqi government with air strikes in Iraq. We haven't ruled

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out the possibility. Do you think it is likely that the air war will

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extend to Syria? We will look at the case for extending British activity

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into Syria. We will look at whether there are things that we could do

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that would significantly augment the coalition campaign. If we think

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there are, we will go back to Parliament, because we will need

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additional support from Parliament. We go back to Parliament and get

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parliamentary agreement. And I think the message that we heard from the

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opposition and from many members across the house last Friday was

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that the house is open-minded about the case. But they would want to

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hear the argument. Do you regret making it known the IS at you didn't

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know where the hostages were being kept? No. Would it not be the case

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that IS shouldn't know whether we know or not? I think they could

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probably work out that we don't know or we would have done some then. I

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made that comment over two weeks ago, and situations can change. But

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don't you regret making it? IS shouldn't know whether we know or

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not. I don't particularly regret making it. I tend to think that the

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best answer the question is the truth. Where will the boots on the

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ground, from? In Iraq, the Iraqi security forces, which are

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substantial in size and well equipped with modern American

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equipment, and the Kurdish Peshmerga. The Iraqi security forces

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have good equipment but poor morale, and they need restructuring and

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retraining. The Peshmerga have good morale and good command, but poor

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levels of equipment, they need re-gripping. 45 element is from

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Baghdad in an Iraqi army camp, it was surrounded by IS, it was clearly

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losing, it was a camp full of Iraqi soldiers. They called their

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commanders in Baghdad for air support. The phone wasn't even

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answered. IS sent in a truck, a suicide truck, 500 soldiers were

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killed, and when they got there, they discovered that the Iraqi

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commanders had fled days before and that the Iraqi soldiers had been

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drinking saltwater. That is your boots on the ground. You give an

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example of poor command and poor morale and organisation in the Iraqi

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army. I could spend the rest of the afternoon giving you more examples.

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We are absolutely aware that after years of sectarian management of the

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Iraqi army, promoting people because of what religious faction they

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belong to rather than because of their capabilities, there is a need

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for restructuring and retraining. How long is that going to take? It

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will take as long as it takes. At we spend liens training this army, and

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it ran away. The Americans spent a large amount of money training and

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equipping the Iraqi army, but under the al-Maliki regime, the policy is

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damaged and degraded it, and we have to rebuild it. We will see. Can I

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move to Hong Kong, where as part of the agreement which was implemented

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in 1997, Britain is a guarantor of the autonomy that was agreed for the

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people of Hong Kong. Why have we not taken a stronger line condemning

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what is happening there, and the way that the protesters are being

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treated? We do deplore what is going on in Hong Kong at the moment, the

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violence on the streets. The sequence of events here is that the

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Chinese government has announced proposals for the selection of

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candidates, for the first selection of chief executive on universal

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suffrage, the first election ever. It was part of the agreement. It

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wasn't. It was something the Chinese introduced after the joint

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declaration was signed. That is a good step forward. There are many

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people in Hong Kong who were disappointed with the announcement

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that came from Beijing around the way in which candidates would be

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approved for this universal suffrage election. There is now a period in

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which there is consultation going on, and we have not yet reached the

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final stage of this. So there is everything to play for here in

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getting the most democratic possible solution. Have you made the British

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view strongly known to the Chinese? I have. I met the vice president in

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Derby two weekends ago, and I had a very frank discussion with him about

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these issues. And is it not somewhat ironic that we the British are a

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guarantors of the freedoms of the Hong Kong people, and yet the tear

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gas that is being used to suppress them is made in Hampshire? CS gas is

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a riot control... Which is made here and exported to Hong Kong. We do not

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condone the use of CS gas against these protesters, but it is a

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legitimate export product. Would you like to look again at the export

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licence? We would like to see a peaceful resolution of the current

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dispute in Hong Kong, with the hope that over the next few months, we

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can achieve the very best possible solution for Hong Kong, and a clear

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statement that what happened on the 2017 Chief Executive election will

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not be the end of the road to democracy. Further steps will be

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needed. But you will see the irony or indeed the shame of people who we

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are legally guarantors of their freedom, and are meant to sure this

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deal is kept to, being tear-gassed by CS made in Britain and export

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licence. CS gas is available from large numbers of sources. To be

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frank, Andrew, I think that is a rather immaterial point. They could

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by CS gas from the US, dozens of cases. They can buy any kind of

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weapons for anybody, does that mean we should provide them? We don't

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condone the use of CS gas in the control of these processes. I don't

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think I can be any clearer than that. Thank you for being with us. I

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know it is a busy day for you. That is it for today, but Jo and I will

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be back tomorrow at 11am for live coverage of David Cameron's speech

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to the Conservative party conference, his final conference

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speech before the general election, Seppi will be wanting to send them

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away from Birmingham with a spring in their step. Let's see if he could

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do it. And for a full round-up of events here in Birmingham, I will be

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back just after Newsnight tonight on BBC Two with Today at Conference.

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How could you miss that? Goodbye. Ladies and gentlemen,

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we have liftoff. QI is back with a series all about L,

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so loosen up your laughing gear,

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Andrew Neil is in Birmingham for the Conservative Party conference and Jo Coburn is in London with the latest political news from Westminster.

Coverage of the conference includes Boris Johnson's speech and interviews with ministers Jeremy Hunt and Philip Hammond.


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