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Morning folks - welcome to the Daily Politics.

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David Cameron's off to Iceland later today to meet with his

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He wants to talk about his renegotiation of Britain's

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And according to this morning's papers he wants to warn voters that

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life outside the EU is no land of milk and honey.

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But before he leaves there's just the small matter

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Jeremy Corbyn says he's not going to gloat over the Government's

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defeat on tax credits, but might he just be tempted to mention it?

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We'll bring you all the action live at noon.

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The Lib Dem leader's just been to see the migrant crisis first-hand,

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and Tim Farron's got his first question to the Prime Minister.

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And we'll be talking to the MPs who represent what are said

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to be the happiest place in the UK, and the most miserable.

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All that in the next hour, and with us for the whole of the

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programme today two MPs who are in the happiest place in Westminster.

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No not the bar in the House of Lords after a hard night's work defying

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I mean of course the Daily Politics studio, the Disneyland

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It's the housing minister Brandon Lewis and the shadow minister

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without portfolio, Jonathan Ashworth.

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They wanted to give him a job but they didn't think what he could do.

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First today let's talk about the Prime Minister, because

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after PMQs he's off to Iceland for an annual conference with

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And Downing Street says he's going to use

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the occasion to directly address the alternatives to Britain remaining

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in the EU ahead of the referendum on membership which is due to take

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The official position of Mr Cameron, who is leading the renegotiation

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with other EU members, is that he rules nothing out if fellow leaders

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But today the Telegraph reports that he will warn voters that life

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outside the EU would not be a "land of milk and honey".

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He claims exit could cost the country hundreds

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Number 10 has also released a series of statements including one

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from the Norweigan prime minister urging Britain to reject their style

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Norway is a member of the European Economic Area

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Well this message was apparently aimed at those campaigning

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for a British exit, so let's get some reaction now

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from the Conservative MP Steve Baker from the Vote Leave campaign.

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Steve Baker, the chairman or one of the members of your campaign group

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says number ten appear to have dropped any semblance of neutrality.

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Is that how you see it? I think the terms of debate are changing. As I

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Javid said, you need to be prepared to walk away from negotiation and is

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big coming less clear the prime in history 's ruling anything out. Is

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he in panic mode? I think they are worried but not panicking. The

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spokesman for the Vote Leave said Downing Street was in a panic. I

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think there are a range of views but as a Conservative MP are loyal to

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the Prime Minister at every possible subject I can be. I have a great

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deal of faith in David Cameron. Downing Street sources say leaving

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the EU, not necessarily a land of milk and honey. Would you prefer him

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to say that staying in might not be either? I think it might be a good

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idea if he said staying in might not be the land of milk and honey. I

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hope he will ask Iceland if they will join the European year of -- EU

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today. It is unlikely a country like Norway or Iceland would join the EU

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like it is today. But we believe with the UK having an economy four

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times as big as them, we can get a British option. Is he right to be

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warning against the virtue is of the UK following the Norwegian model?

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The Norwegian model has its downsides but not as bad as people

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suggest. Estimates vary but some say Norway only has to adopt 10% of

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European Union proposals. There is a conversation to be had about the

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status of Norway, but nobody in our campaign is campaigning we adopt

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that model or the Swiss one. We think, as our biggest exports of

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European Union, we are in a strong and powerful position to negotiate

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for a British deal. Even in Norway themselves they say it is not the

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ideal option at all. You pay for all the regulations and you have no

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says. They don't have no say. Think about the code that deals with

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fish, based in Norway and the Norwegians chair it. They produce

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the global rules which are handed down to the EU and the EU hands them

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onto the way. The reality is that Norway, if they are influencing

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those rules are a global level they have more instruments than if they

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were represented by the EU in the same body. For many of us we believe

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that Britain, the fifth largest economy in the world, is capable of

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retraining its influence and power in world affairs and regulations,

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leaving the European Union. Steve Baker, thank you.

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Brandon Lewis, the Prime Minister says he rules nothing out when it

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comes to Europe. So why is he ruling out the Norwegian option? I think he

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has also been very clear about the concerns around staying in Europe as

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it is. I think what David has said by the way through his consistent,

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we need a renegotiation in the best interests of the country. There was

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nothing in the briefing that came out of Downing Street warning of the

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dangers of staying in? What the Prime Minister had said on numerous

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occasions as we need to get that we negotiation. We don't want to be

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part of where Europe is going. Why is he ruling out the Norwegian

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model? I think he has had clearly all the way through we will look at

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all options. He is looking at what is going on across Europe. It is

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about getting the right deal, the right deal for Britain as Steve

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said. I think we need to to bring that renegotiation board. Nobody

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will consciously agree with the wrong deal, it may be the wrong deal

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but nobody will consciously agree with that. The Prime Minister is

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meant to be neutral until he doesn't renegotiation and then tells us we

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can all make up our minds. Why is he pre-empting the debates, is the

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beginning to panic? Not at all. The Prime Minister doesn't panic, he has

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always delivered the right thing for this country, in Europe and on the

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wider scale forced what we will see in the next few months as those

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renegotiation is going forward. When we get to next year we will have the

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opportunity to see exactly where we end up. And as you said, in 2017

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people will get a chance to have their say. What is wrong with a

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variation of the Norwegian model? We will see what comes through with the

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renegotiation is. What is wrong with that? We are being briefed by

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Downing Street is not right. I'm asking you what is wrong with it? It

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is about looking at what is the right deal for us. It might be we

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can get a renegotiation that gives us what we want a staying part of

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the European Union. Being part of the European Union is hugely

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important, for tourism and energy. But we need to have on the right

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terms. Let me try one more time, what would be wrong with a version

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of the Norwegian model if we voted to come out of the EU? I think we

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are a long way from voting to come out of the EU. The ultimate problem,

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we have to know exactly what we are voting on. Until the renegotiation

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is finished, we are in a hypothetical situation. I would

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rather wait and let the Prime Minister to those renegotiation,

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make a recommendation to the British public and we all have our say. When

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will Jeremy Corbyn start campaigning to keep us in? We have a Labour

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campaign to keep us in, led by Mr Johnson. When will Jeremy Corbyn get

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involved? We have not heard him say much since he became leader? He has

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endorsed Allan Johnson's campaign and said the Labour Party will be

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campaigning to stay in the EU. It's his heart in it? The last time I was

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on your programme I found out I was not even born in 1975. I wanted you

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to remind our viewers of that. Jeremy Corbyn said we will campaign

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as at the Labour Party to stay in the EU. Our campaign is led by Allan

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Johnson. Labour MPs on the whole will campaign to stay in the EU. We

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have a handful of MPs who are more sceptical, but the split in the

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Labour Party are not in the scale of those in the Tory party. I'm sure

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Jeremy will be campaigning alongside Mr Johnson and me and Hilary Benn

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and other members of the Labour Party. You are sure of that? I

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and other members of the Labour very, very confident of it. LAUGHTER

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Have you got your fingers crossed? Not at all. I will be campaigning

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with Jeremy on the streets. You can join us.

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with Jeremy on the streets. You can Prime Minister to rule out the

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Norwegian option? Because if he fails in the renegotiation. I know

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we are not even contemplating it, fails in the renegotiation. I know

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according to Tories, but he could fail in the renegotiation. If he

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does and he can't get any changes, the Norwegian option, version of,

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suited for Britain, would have to be on the table? I have to upfront say

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we are talking about a Prime Minister who has succeeded for his

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country in the negotiations he has done in Europe over the last few

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years in the previous Coalition Government as well. He has a track

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record that gives me confidence Government as well. He has a track

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he will deliver for our country. The decision will be for the British

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public not politicians. They will get a chance to have their say.

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But before they were in coalition Thank you.

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But before they were in coalition with the Conservatives the leader of

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the Lib Dems used to get to put a couple of questions to the Prime

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Minister every week at PMQ 's, not any more. Today will be the first

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opportunity Tim Farron has had to ask a question of David Cameron. The

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Lib Dem leader is just back from Lesbos in Greece where he has been

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viewing the migrant crisis first-hand. He intends

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viewing the migrant crisis question today to push the Prime

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Minister on a proposal to accept refugees from Syria. And we can

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speak to him now in the Central Lobby. Tim Farron, welcome to Daily

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Politics. You want the government to commit to taking 3000 Syrian child

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refugees. How did you get to that figure? The save the children

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recommend the UK Government take 3000 unaccompanied children, some of

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whom will be as young as six, who are currently refugees within

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Europe. That sounds a very reasonable request. There are other

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things I could ask the government to do, which I would love them to do to

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play a fuller and better part in a more humane and leading part in

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dealing with the refugee crisis. This is a manageable, clear figure

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that Save The Children have come up with. It is worth bearing in mind

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these are children who are incredibly fungible. 13,000

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unaccompanied children in Italy last. 400 of those we have no idea

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where they are now. The threat to those young people from exploitation

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and worse is extreme. The UK will be doing something of huge humanitarian

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benefit and playing its part in the European team, if you like, if he

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was to accept that Save The Children request. How many adult refugees do

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you think the UK should take as a result of this crisis? I think the

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figure on the table at the moment, the 20,000 the government under

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great pressure have taken from the camps is one we need to keep

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monitoring and check they are taking any or many so far. But I think one

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of the things most shameful from my experience yesterday, was not a

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single one of the families who I met yesterday, desperate but

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inspirational people, will be able to provide peace and stability and a

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home for them. You would like to take some from the mainland question

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mark 12,000 individuals from within Europe. Which would be the UK opting

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into the EU system. Every year? At the moment that is what we have on

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the table. It won't go away if we put our head in the sand. This is a

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growing problem. It is worth bearing in mind, we often hear phrases

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bandied about by Ukip and conservatives saying Britain is only

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a small island. Can I point out to them that Lesbos is about the same

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size as the Isle of Skye. It is a very small island. It is taking

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300,000 refugees, desperate people. 94% of those people are designated

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as refugees independently verified. This is not a case of migrants

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taking advantage of this system. This is people fleeing the war in

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Syria and persecution and threaten the lives of them and their children

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in other parts of the region. Britain is at the moment not being a

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team player, not being the leader in humanitarian aid it has in years

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past. It is about time we played up to our heritage as a country that

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plays its part when you have crises like this. When the pictures we have

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just seen were posted on your party's Facebook page, do you accept

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there was a fair amount of criticism? Someone on your page

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actually said they risk their lives crossing the Mediterranean and their

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first taste of European culture is a Lib Dem MP using their woe for a

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publicity stunt, is less a publicity stunt? That is nonsense. I was there

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yesterday stood with other people from Save The Children and other

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charities as one of the boats came in. I thought I could stand in my

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jeans on my shirt and watch all lend a hand. I went and went at hand.

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What about your reception today in the House of Commons? What you think

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it will be like? Goodness knows. If I get a question today, I know I am

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against 642 individuals who do not share my politics. I thought you

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were guaranteed a question today? I do not think there is any certainty.

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I am told I should get one today. The Liberal Democrats, it has with

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the case, our job is to be on the side of the outsiders. We are an

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outsider outside this place and inside this place. If I get a

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question today I will press the Prime Minister to step up to the

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mark and do the right thing by desperate people, doing the things

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we would do for our children if we were faced with similar

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circumstances. If I get the chance to ask, that is a kind of thing I

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will be going for. I think we have the idea, we will be looking out for

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you. According to the Daily Politics

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calendar it's now day three of the constitutional crisis

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following the Lords decision to vote down government plans to cut working

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tax credits. The skies haven't fallen in,

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although it has been raining rather But it has left the government

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threatening to clip the wings of the unelected upper chamber,

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and plenty of questions remain out how the handling of this flagship

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policy went quite so badly wrong. Well to remind us

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of the whole story, here's JoCo. In their election manifesto the

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Conservatives said they would find The Government didn't make it clear

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where they would find the savings, although appeared to rule

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our cuts to tax credits paid to In his summer Budget the Chancellor

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outlined ?4.5bn of cuts to Working Tax Credits -

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benefits paid to people in work. He said

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a new minimum wage increase and a higher tax allowance would mean most

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families would not be worse off. But the Institute for Fiscal Studies

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calculated that from next April 3 million families

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would lose ?1,300 a year. A majority of MPs voted in favour

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of the changes three times. But this week the House of Lords

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defeated the government in two separate motions

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and demanded a rethink. The Government accused peers

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of over-reaching, saying the defeat raises

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"clear constitutional issues". But the Chancellor has now said

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there will be "transitional measures" to lessen the impact of

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the changes, with the detail set out Meanwhile, the Government has asked

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former cabinet minister Thomas Strathclyde to lead a review

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of House of Lords conventions. Thank you, JoCo. You were warned by

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every think-tank that knows about this, including Tory leaning think

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tank 's, you were warned by a number of your own backbenchers, either Sun

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newspaper, you were warned by the Mayor of London who was a

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Conservative not to proceed with the way the Chancellor was planning. Yet

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you did. You're now in a complete mess why? The reality is this two

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different issues going on, the change in the way the economy works,

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which is what House of Commons was voting on when we looked at tax

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credits, higher wages, lower welfare, but separately, the second

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issue is around an unelected chamber. I will come onto that. I

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will come onto that. I'm talking about the substance of the issue not

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the process or the constitution. That's what matters to people out

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there who consider tax credits going. They are not high earners in

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the first place. Why did you ignore all these warnings? We were very

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clear and the Chancellor made his position very clear that we are

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looking to move our economy to a new place which means we have to make

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difficult decisions in this period of time to make sure we get to the

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point where we have a higher wage economy, lower taxes. But you are

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taking the tax credits away before the higher wages come through. And

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even when they do, they do not compensate for the loss in the tax

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credits. Everybody point that out, it was clear from the beginning you

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were going to hit those at the lower end of the income scale. Let's take

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the Institute for Fiscal Studies outline as a good example. It does

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not look at the picture, does not account for not just the increase in

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salaries coming through, the reduction feel duty, a real-time

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reduction in council tax, but when you look at the entire economy,

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actually it's a much better place. I'm sorry, that is just not true.

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The House of Commons library research shows this, which takes

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into account the rise in tax thresholds and the rise in what you

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now called the National minimum wage. When you take that into

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account, poorer families on tax credits, working families, are outed

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by about ?1500 a year. For people like that, it is a tonne of money.

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That is a lot of money but it does not take into account some of the

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other changes in the economy in terms of the reduction of fuel,. You

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don't control that. No, but as the wider picture for the economy. Are

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you seriously telling me that poorer families... You don't control the

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world tax. Are you seriously telling me that families, when you include

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the tax credit changes, you include the rise in the minimum wage, in the

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tax threshold, there still ?1500 worse off. I knew telling me the

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fall in fuel prices will compensate for that? No, the figures you are

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quoting to not take account of the entire economy. The tax picture of

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what family or individual has in their life. At the moment, we're

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looking at fuel duty as one example, council tax reducing in

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real terms, people are seeing a different position to what some of

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those... You know none of that comes near compensating the

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those... You know none of that comes will lose most. Your own side is

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telling you that. Your own think tank is telling you that.

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telling you that. Your own think supporting media are telling you

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that. And you will have to change, won't you? There are also people out

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there as well won't you? There are also people out

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rightly exactly as the Prime Minister and the Chancellor have

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done, that we need to change the economy. That is the third time you

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have said that. economy. That is the third time you

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also said clearly he will listen to what people say.

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also said clearly he will listen to that now. This week. He will come

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back in the Autumn Statement that now. This week. He will come

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deal with transitions because we do need to move to that position where

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deal with transitions because we do we have higher wages and lower

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taxes. OK, that is the fourth time. Labour is obviously against this.

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You are against it, voting against it, of course. Let me ask you. Does

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Labour have any policy for welfare reform? Our position at the moment

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if we are reform? Our position at the moment

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It is the start of a parliament. The reform? Our position at the moment

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canoe no policy? We do. We are opposing -- at the moment you have

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no policy? In the welfare bill, we opposing -- at the moment you have

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opposed for example the reduction in the benefit cap.

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opposed for example the reduction in what you are against but what are

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you in favour of bigger so favour that means you're against welfare

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reform as seen by the Tories. Is it possible to have Labour inclined

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welfare reforms and can you give is an indication of

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welfare reforms and can you give is be? We won't have a fully developed

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policy having just lost be? We won't have a fully developed

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in May where we got hammered and we have 4.5 years until the next

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election. Can you contribute to the debate with your idea? We will have

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to look at where we are in four years' time, with Universal Credit

:23:06.:23:11.

coming, the national living wage, which we do support. That would

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change the welfare landscape the 2019-20, so we will have to look of

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the impact of that. Let me come onto my second question. You are

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committed, as I understand it, to balance the current budget, not the

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overall budget, but the current budget. The cut in tax credits,

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right or wrong, it is designed to contribute to the balancing of the

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current budget, tax credits, the spending, not investment, if you are

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against this, ?4.5 billion, where would you find it to continue with

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the balancing of the current budget? We would have to make different

:23:50.:23:54.

choices and ask ourselves, should we be increasing the inheritance tax

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threshold to ?1 million. That is 1 billion. Yes, we have the lowest

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corporation tax, do we need to reduce it down to 18p or 20p? That's

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something we could look at. The last time I looked, you were in favour of

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that. No, no, no, we have asked question about whether we should

:24:15.:24:18.

reduce corporation tax down to 18p, so there are other options. . . It

:24:19.:24:25.

isn't a 4.5 billion. Over a Parliament? Over a year. You need to

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find it to balance it every, the current budget you're committed to

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balancing. You could probably find money by making different choices on

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what the Chancellor is making. I understand that. That's why I'm

:24:42.:24:46.

interested in what he would do. You could take away pension tax relief

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for those on higher rates. That's a possibility but not something we are

:24:51.:24:53.

currently looking at. I thought you were having a debate. I'm just

:24:54.:24:57.

trying to help you out. I'm throwing Latin. I've advised you to join the

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Shadow cabinet I'm helping you the debate. I hope you come to a

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National Forum and Parbat in. OK, I have got to stop it there.

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The fluky beneficiary of a drastic elevation.

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No, I'm not describing our two guests of the day.

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I'm not even talking about me and JoCo.

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No, these were the cruel words of the novelist Martin Amis,

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describing the leader of her majesty's opposition Jeremy Corbyn.

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In his not-at-all snobbish piece in a Sunday newspaper,

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Oxford-educated Mr Amis noted that Mr Corbyn secured only two E-grade

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A-levels before dropping out of his course at North London Polytechnic.

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You can almost hear the smears as he wrote these words.

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Well Jeremy, if you're watching as you wait to head into the

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Commons chamber, we can't help get you that first in PPE from Oxford.

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It's still working but maybe not for long if you read the papers.

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Yes, Prime Minister's Questions is on its way.

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And that's not all - James Landale is here.

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What will Jeremy Corbyn, do you think, talk about in this PMQs? Al

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be amazed if he does not go on tax credits. It's an open goal, fruitful

:28:38.:28:42.

territory, and Labour thinks there's lots of questions to be asked. What

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the Chancellor has done no say, I'm not going to tell you anything until

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the Autumn Statement next month so there is one month where Labour can

:28:51.:28:54.

put pressure, ask questions, seek reassurances about how the decision

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will be made, what kind of accommodation to lessen the impact

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of these cuts, so that's the territory I imagine he will be. Our

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people speculating that David Cameron will talk about the

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Norwegian option today to get a story running that he is now party

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pre-in this referendum, already taking sides, ruling out things he

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said he would not rule out to try to get the flak away from tax credits?

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No, it's a broader position in the Government. It's a reflection of

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number ten's doubts about the efficacy of the in campaign up and

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want to get debates rolling. They are getting worried. Secondly, they

:29:35.:29:40.

want to get the out debate focused where they wanted, namely what if,

:29:41.:29:46.

what happens if the UK leaves the EU, what happens then? The doubt,

:29:47.:29:50.

risk, uncertainty. The Government will be happy to spend the next year

:29:51.:29:54.

and a half talking about Norway, Switzerland, any kind of complicated

:29:55.:29:59.

mixture of countries, as long as the debate is in that territory whereas

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the out campaign will be about cost and control, so that is what they

:30:05.:30:09.

are trying to do. It means the Prime Minister steps off the fence,

:30:10.:30:14.

doesn't it? Even before we have any idea what his renegotiation is going

:30:15.:30:18.

to achieve, he is arguing we should not take this option. It is the

:30:19.:30:24.

existing Prime Minister's position that he wants to remain in the EU

:30:25.:30:30.

that is reformed, so I think it's a recognition of not putting it eggs

:30:31.:30:33.

in one basket with renegotiation. You can't just say, we got to take

:30:34.:30:37.

the benefit rules, change language when it comes to the EU. He's got to

:30:38.:30:42.

make a broader argument about why he is in principle, from a broad point

:30:43.:30:46.

of view, need a positive reason to be a member of the youth. I take it

:30:47.:30:51.

they are worried the out campaign is gaining ground, the in campaign is

:30:52.:30:58.

kind of not taking off? Yes, the launch of the other day was not seen

:30:59.:31:02.

in Tory circles as being a great success. I think they feel they have

:31:03.:31:06.

to get out there and make that argument. There are members of the

:31:07.:31:10.

out campaign who have, shall we say, personal relations with number

:31:11.:31:13.

ten would have not always been favourable? And they get under the

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skin of some people at number ten said as a sense of pushing back

:31:18.:31:21.

until bit against the outcome. Who could you be talking about? Will

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Jeremy Corbyn continued to crowd sources questions? Who knows? Stop

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smiling. Last week, I think his office felt it worked effectively to

:31:35.:31:40.

use a punter question to reduce a subject and allow him to follow up

:31:41.:31:44.

depending on what Mr Cameron said. It was more effective than trying to

:31:45.:31:49.

bring the Prime Minister down. I think it's an effective tactic with

:31:50.:31:54.

PMQs because it is difficult for the Prime Minister to get nasty and lose

:31:55.:31:58.

his temper as he can do sometimes if he asks the question on behalf of

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someone affected by this tax credit cuts. If the follow-ups people want

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to hear, isn't it? Yes, and Jeremy followed up well. Lastly, the Prime

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Minister said he was delighted by the tax credit cuts. What an own

:32:13.:32:15.

goal on behalf of the Prime Minister. I bet he was kicking

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himself for that. Let's go to the House of Commons for PMQs.

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I know the whole house will wish to join me and paid tribute to Michael

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Meacher. He died suddenly last week and we send our condolences to his

:32:37.:32:40.

family and friends. Michael dedicated his life to public

:32:41.:32:45.

service, diligently representing his constituents for a staggering 45

:32:46.:32:48.

years. He was a passionate advocate of the causes he believed in,

:32:49.:32:51.

including the environment, and he was able to put these into practice

:32:52.:32:58.

as a minister between 97-2003. This house and our politics are poorer

:32:59.:33:01.

place without him and I know colleagues from all sides of this

:33:02.:33:04.

chamber will remember him with affection and miss him greatly. Mr

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Speaker, this morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues and

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others, and in addition to my duties in this house to have further

:33:15.:33:18.

meetings today. Can I associate myself with the sympathies expressed

:33:19.:33:25.

by the Prime Minister. Will my right honourable friend join me in

:33:26.:33:28.

celebrating that one in ten of the world's tractors are built in

:33:29.:33:38.

Basildon? Yanuyanutawa not an Airbus A380 flies without a part built in

:33:39.:33:46.

Basildon. And it is attracting investment from well renowned

:33:47.:33:48.

organisations such as the Royal Opera house. All of this is leading

:33:49.:33:53.

to job creation and opportunity. Will he therefore do all he can to

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ensure that Britain remains a great place to do business and prosper in

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the? -- prosper in. Basildon has place to do business and prosper in

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special place in my heart. I didn't know all those statistics, but it

:34:11.:34:13.

now has an even more special place. I can to him that the long-term use

:34:14.:34:22.

claimants is down by 24% of the last year. He spoke about what a great

:34:23.:34:25.

place Britain is to do business. We are now six in the rankings in the

:34:26.:34:30.

world for the best place to setup and to run a business. I know the

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Leader of the Opposition, not least because his new spokesman is

:34:36.:34:37.

apparently a great admirer of the Soviet Union, will be pleased to

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start the day with tractor statistics.

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Thank you, Mr by associating

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Thank you, Mr remarks the Prime Minister made

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about Michael Meacher? On behalf of the Labour Party, his constituents

:34:57.:35:02.

and the much wider community, our condolences to his family. I spoke

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to them last night and asked how condolences to his family. I spoke

:35:05.:35:11.

and sent me a very nice message, which if I may, I will read out.

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Quite brief but very poignant. They said, when I was young one of the

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things he frequently said to me was that people went into politics

:35:21.:35:24.

because their principles and they wanted to change things to make

:35:25.:35:27.

things better, but in order to get into power they would often

:35:28.:35:30.

compromise on their principles and that this could happen again and

:35:31.:35:34.

again until, if they eventually did get into power,

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again until, if they eventually did become so compromise that they would

:35:37.:35:43.

do nothing with it. Michael was a decent, hard-working, passionate and

:35:44.:35:48.

profound man. He represented he his constituency with diligence for 45

:35:49.:35:52.

years. He was a brilliant environment minister, as the Prime

:35:53.:35:56.

Minister pointed out. He was totally committed to parliamentary democracy

:35:57.:36:01.

and this Parliament, holding government or governments to account

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and he was a lifelong campaigner against injustice and poverty. We've

:36:06.:36:10.

remember Michael for all those things, we express our condolences

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and express are some these to his family at this very difficult time.

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His will be a hard act to follow, but we will do our best.

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Mr Speaker, following the events on Monday evening, and the belated

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acceptance from the Prime Minister of the result there, can he now

:36:27.:36:31.

guaranteed to The House and wider country that nobody will be worse

:36:32.:36:35.

off next year as a result of cuts to working tax credits?

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What I can guarantee is we remain committed to the vision of a higher

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pay, low tax, lower welfare economy. We believe the way to make

:36:48.:36:52.

sure that everyone is better off is to keep growing our economy, keep

:36:53.:36:57.

inflation low, keep cutting peoples taxes and introduce the national

:36:58.:37:00.

living wage. As for changes, the Chancellor will set them out in the

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Autumn Statement. I thank the Prime Minister for that, but the question

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I was asking was quite simply this. Will he confirm, right now, that tax

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credit cuts will not make anyone worse off in April next year?

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What we want is for people to be better off because we are cutting

:37:25.:37:28.

their taxes and increasing their paid, that he is going to have to be

:37:29.:37:31.

a little patient, because although these changes passed the House of

:37:32.:37:37.

Commons five times, with ever enlarging majorities, we will set

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out our new proposals in the Autumn Statement and you will be able to

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study them. Jeremy Corbyn.

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Mr Speaker, this is the time when we asked questions of the Prime

:37:51.:37:52.

Minister on behalf of the people of this country. Thank you.

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Mr Speaker, if I may continue. People are very worried about what

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is going to happen to them next April. So what exactly does the

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Prime Minister mean, is considering it, there is an Autumn Statement

:38:28.:38:31.

coming up? We thought he was committed to not cutting tax

:38:32.:38:36.

credits. Is he going to cut tax credits or not, are people going to

:38:37.:38:41.

be worse for next in April next year? You must know the answer.

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First of all we set out in our election manifesto that we would

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find ?12 billion of savings on welfare. Order, there is too much

:38:50.:38:58.

noise in the chamber. Order! A bit of calm. The questions must be

:38:59.:39:03.

heard, and the answers must be heard. The Prime Minister.

:39:04.:39:07.

Thank you Mr Speaker. It is an important point because every penny

:39:08.:39:10.

we don't save on welfare is savings we have to find in the education

:39:11.:39:15.

budget or in the policing budgets, or in the health budget. The second

:39:16.:39:19.

point I would make is the cause of what has happened on the other

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place, of course we should have a debate about how to reform welfare

:39:23.:39:27.

and how to reduce the cost of welfare. I am happy to have that

:39:28.:39:30.

debate, but of course it is difficult to have that debate with

:39:31.:39:34.

the honourable gentleman, because he has opposed everything all welfare

:39:35.:39:38.

change that was made. He doesn't support the welfare cap. He doesn't

:39:39.:39:42.

support the cap on housing benefit. He doesn't think that any change to

:39:43.:39:46.

welfare is worthwhile. I have to say, if we want a strong economy and

:39:47.:39:50.

we want growth, we want to get rid of our deficit, we want to secure

:39:51.:39:54.

our country, we need to reform welfare.

:39:55.:40:01.

What we are talking about our tax credits for people in work. The

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Prime Minister knows that, he understands that. He has lost the

:40:06.:40:08.

support of many people in this country that are actually quite

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synthetic to his political project. Some of the papers who supported him

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have come against on this. He did commit to ?12 billion worth of cuts

:40:17.:40:20.

in the welfare budget repeatedly refused to say if tax credits would

:40:21.:40:23.

be part of this. In fact he said they want. Can he now give us the

:40:24.:40:28.

answer we are trying to get today? Answer the question.

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The answer will be set out in the Autumn Statement when we set out our

:40:35.:40:37.

proposals. I have to say to him, it has come to quite a strange set of

:40:38.:40:43.

events when you have the House of Commons voting for something five

:40:44.:40:48.

times, when there is absolutely no rebellion among conservative members

:40:49.:40:52.

of parliament, or indeed amongst Conservative peers and the Labour

:40:53.:40:56.

Party is left offending and depending on unelected peers in the

:40:57.:41:02.

House of Lords. We British politics a new alliance. The unelected and

:41:03.:41:05.

the unelectable. SHOUTING. Mr Speaker, it is very

:41:06.:41:23.

interesting the Prime Minister still refuses to answer the fundamental

:41:24.:41:28.

question. This is not a constitutional crisis, this is a

:41:29.:41:33.

crisis for 3 million families in this country, for 3 million families

:41:34.:41:38.

in this country who are very worried about what is going to happen next

:41:39.:41:42.

April. Just before the last election, the former Chief Whip, now

:41:43.:41:47.

Justice Secretary, said in answer to a question on the BBC world at one,

:41:48.:41:52.

are you going to cut tax credits? The answer was, we are not going to

:41:53.:41:59.

cut them. Why did he say that? What I said in the election is that

:42:00.:42:04.

the basic level of child tax credits would stay the same. At ?2700 per

:42:05.:42:10.

child it stays exactly the same. The point is this, if we want to get our

:42:11.:42:14.

deficit down, if we want to secure our, me, if we want to keep on with

:42:15.:42:18.

secure growth, we need to make savings on welfare. Even with his

:42:19.:42:26.

deficit denying, borrow forever plan, presumably he has to make some

:42:27.:42:30.

savings in public spending? If you don't save any money on welfare, you

:42:31.:42:36.

end up cutting the NHS, you end up cutting even more deeply police

:42:37.:42:41.

budgets. Those are the troops. One is he going to stop deficit denial,

:42:42.:42:45.

get off the fence and tell us what he would do?

:42:46.:42:57.

Mr Speaker... A moment ago, the answer is a need to be heard, the

:42:58.:43:01.

questions need to be heard. The man is going to ask his question and it

:43:02.:43:06.

will be heard. If it takes longer, so be it.

:43:07.:43:12.

Thank you Mr Speaker. I've five times asked the Prime Minister today

:43:13.:43:18.

whether or not people will be worse off if they receive working tax

:43:19.:43:21.

credits next April? He still hasn't been able to answer me or indeed

:43:22.:43:26.

many others. Can I put him a question I was sent... CHEERING

:43:27.:43:36.

Mr Speaker, it might be very amusing to members said, but...

:43:37.:43:52.

I was sent this question by Karen: Why is the Prime Minister punishing

:43:53.:43:57.

working families? I work full time and earn their living wage within

:43:58.:44:01.

the public sector. The tax credit cuts will push me

:44:02.:44:04.

the public sector. The tax credit hardship. Can he give a cast-iron

:44:05.:44:10.

guarantee to Karen and all the other families who are very worried what

:44:11.:44:14.

guarantee to Karen and all the other is going to happen next April to

:44:15.:44:15.

therein come, is going to happen next April to

:44:16.:44:19.

make ends meet, could give them the answer today, I hope you will. I ask

:44:20.:44:24.

him, for the sixth time, please give us an answer to a very

:44:25.:44:26.

straightforward, very simple question.

:44:27.:44:31.

What I would say to Karen is this, if she is on the living wage,

:44:32.:44:35.

working in the public sector, next year in April she will benefit from

:44:36.:44:40.

being able to earn ?11,000 before she pays any income tax at all. It

:44:41.:44:46.

was around ?6,000 when I became Prime Minister forced up if she has

:44:47.:44:50.

children, she will benefit from 30 hours of childcare every week. That

:44:51.:44:55.

is something that has happened under this government. But above all, she

:44:56.:44:58.

will benefit because we have a growing economy, because we have

:44:59.:45:02.

zero inflation, because we have two million more people in work, because

:45:03.:45:07.

we will train 3 million apprentices in this Parliament, and that is the

:45:08.:45:11.

fact. The reason the Labour Party lost the last election is they were

:45:12.:45:16.

completely un-trusted on the deficit, on debt and on a stable

:45:17.:45:22.

economy. And since then the deficit deniers have taken over the Labour

:45:23.:45:25.

Party. That is what happened. When you look at their plans, borrowing

:45:26.:45:30.

for ever, printing money, hiking up taxes, it is working people like

:45:31.:45:32.

Karen that will pay the price. taxes, it is working people like

:45:33.:45:45.

2010. And this taxes, it is working people like

:45:46.:45:47.

delivered the M6 taxes, it is working people like

:45:48.:45:55.

in my area when it's completed. Does the Prime Minister agree with me

:45:56.:45:58.

that the Conservatives are insuring Morecambe is back open for

:45:59.:46:04.

business? I remember visiting his constituency and looking at the very

:46:05.:46:07.

important roadworks that were being put in place which will up the port,

:46:08.:46:10.

help when we bring in nuclear power station and the other

:46:11.:46:16.

steps he wants to see, I can tell him the long-term youth claimant

:46:17.:46:19.

count in him the long-term youth claimant

:46:20.:46:22.

by 30% in the last year, him the long-term youth claimant

:46:23.:46:28.

from our growing economy. Angus Robertson. We associate ourselves

:46:29.:46:35.

with the condolences expressed by the and the Leader of the Opposition

:46:36.:46:36.

about Michael. Last week I asked Prime Minister Erdogan tragic

:46:37.:46:44.

circumstances of Mike O'Sullivan, from north London, a disabled man

:46:45.:46:45.

who took from north London, a disabled man

:46:46.:46:49.

assessment by the Department for Work and Pensions. We know 60

:46:50.:46:52.

investigations had taken place into suicide

:46:53.:46:56.

investigations had taken place into of benefits, but the

:46:57.:47:00.

investigations had taken place into not been published. The Prime

:47:01.:47:00.

Minister said to me last not been published. The Prime

:47:01.:47:04.

he would look very carefully at the specific question about publication.

:47:05.:47:08.

Will he confirm when these findings will be published? I will write to

:47:09.:47:13.

him about this but my memory from looking into this afterward is there

:47:14.:47:18.

are very good reasons why we can't publish the specific report he talks

:47:19.:47:23.

about because it has personal and medical data in it which would not

:47:24.:47:27.

be appropriate for publication. If I got that wrong, I will write to him

:47:28.:47:31.

but that's my clear memory of looking into his question after last

:47:32.:47:36.

week. Tim Salter from Stourbridge in the West Midlands was 53 when he

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took his life. The coroner ruled a major factor in his death was

:47:42.:47:49.

greatly reduced living almost destitute. His sister said if of

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honourable people who will be affected the worst. The DWP need to

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publish these reviews. The Prime Minister says he is concerned about

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the views of the families involved. The families say the findings should

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be published. Really publish them? 3 million families will have their

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child tax credit is cancelled. We knew the answer to these questions.

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Let me correct on its last point. Under the proposals we put forward,

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those people on the lowest levels of pay where protected because of a

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national living wage and those people on the lowest incomes where

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protected because we were protecting the basic award of a child tax

:48:30.:48:37.

credit in 2007 and ?80. The other part of the question is a bit I've

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already answered but I'll send them a letter if I got it wrong, they

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were too many personal and medical details for that to be published. I

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think they is an important consideration that in deciding

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whether to publish something. I'd like to ask the Prime Minister about

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Ruby, one of my youngest constituents, just one-month-old.

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Why should she faced the prospect of spending their entire working life

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paying off the debt would have been built up by this generation? I think

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Ruby is right, when we became the Government, one in ?4 spent by the

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Government was borrowed money. We had one of the biggest budget

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deficit anywhere in the world and it's always easy for people to say

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put off the difficult decisions, don't make any spending reductions,

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but what they are doing is burdening future generations with debt. What I

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would say to the Labour front bench, that is not generosity, that is

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actually selfishness. I think the lady must have misheard but Mrs

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Sharon Hodgson. We know about the broken promise about tax credits but

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for the final nail in the coffin of compassionate Conservative there's

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be hammered home everywhere to scrap universal infant free school meals

:50:11.:50:14.

in the spending review, taking hot meals out of the mouths of innocent

:50:15.:50:20.

name with infant children? Will he guarantee now not to scrap universal

:50:21.:50:25.

infant pre-school meals slowly does not go down in history as David the

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Denis Thatcher? I'm immensely proud it was part of the Government would

:50:36.:50:40.

introduce this policy 13 years of a Labour Government and did they ever

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do that? -- dinner snatcher. Do you remember the infant free school

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meals, Labour Party? I'm proud of what we have done and we will be

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keeping it. CHEERING

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Thank you. Mr Speaker, my right honourable friend has demonstrated

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considerable leadership in ensuring Britain is the second-largest donor

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of aid in Syria. There is another crisis going on which the world is

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largely forgetting. In Yemen is an ongoing war, 1.4 million people

:51:17.:51:20.

forced to flee their homes, 3 million face starvation, half a

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million children are at risk from malnutrition and the president of

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the International Red Cross has said in Yemen, after five months, we're

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in the same position as we are in Syria after five years. Please can

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we do more? He's absolutely right to raise this and we have been involved

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in trying to help the situation right from the start, as in Syria, a

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major contributor in terms of humanitarian aid. We've made it

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clear all parties should engage without conditions and in good faith

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in peace talks to allow Yemen to move towards a sustainable peace and

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that needs to be a piece based on the fact that all people in Yemen

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needs proper representation by their Government. There are similarities

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with Syria, which is having a Government on behalf of one part of

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the country, never a sustainable solution. How dare anyone in this

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House earning ?74,000 a year tell families their combined income of

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?25,000 is too much and they need to give something back to balance the

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economy? Did the Prime Minister accused the listener 's manifesto

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because he knew he wouldn't be elected? -- refused to put this in

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his manifesto. When I became Prime Minister, nine out of ten families

:52:40.:52:43.

were getting tax credits, including MPs. That's how crazy the system we

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inherited was. We would use that during the last Parliament, opposed

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of course by Labour and the SNP, 26 out of ten families. Our proposals

:52:56.:52:59.

would take that down to five out of ten families but these are not

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proposals on their own but accompanied by a national living

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wage, for first time. By allowing people to air and ?11,000 before

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paying tax, for the first time, those sorts of measures will help

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the thought of family she talks about. The Prime Minister spoke

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about conference about the plight of young people in the care system. Can

:53:26.:53:31.

he answer what the garment will do to improve the chances of these

:53:32.:53:34.

young disadvantaged children and give them opportunities as they move

:53:35.:53:40.

forward in their lives? The most important thing we can do is to

:53:41.:53:45.

speed up the adoption system so more children get adopted. What we have

:53:46.:53:49.

seen since I've been Prime Minister is an increase in adoptions but,

:53:50.:53:54.

because of one or two judgments, it slipped backwards a bit and need to

:53:55.:53:58.

work very hard to make sure more children get adopted. For those who

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can't be adopted, we need to make sure our residential care homes are

:54:02.:54:04.

doing the best possible job they can and that's why today I can announce

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I've asked the former chief executive of Barnardos, an excellent

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public servant, who I worked with at the Home Office, to conduct an

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independent review of children's residential care reporting to the

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Education Secretary at myself so we can take every step to give these

:54:21.:54:27.

children the best start in life. Redundant steelworkers such as those

:54:28.:54:34.

in Wrexham pay national insurance contributions and played by the

:54:35.:54:39.

rules. Why then is this Government limiting mortgage interest support

:54:40.:54:44.

for them in the future and making them pay twice, once through

:54:45.:54:50.

national insurance and once through paying back a loan? Isn't that type

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of action and irresponsible Government like his should not be

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pursuing and isn't it an example of compassionate conservatism dying? He

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refers to a temporary recession measure on mortgage payments which

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was continued for five years but he does give me the opportunity to say,

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as I promised I would last night, to update the House on what we're doing

:55:18.:55:22.

to help the steel industry which is important to his constituency and,

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on energy costs, we will refund the energy intensive industries for the

:55:28.:55:31.

full amount of the policy costs they face as soon as we get the state

:55:32.:55:36.

aided judgment from Brussels. I can confirm that payment will be made

:55:37.:55:41.

immediately and throughout this Parliament, far more generous than

:55:42.:55:44.

what has been proposed by the party opposite. Graham Evans. I have had

:55:45.:55:55.

hundreds of e-mails from constituents regarding the Northern

:55:56.:55:57.

Powerhouse and I have just chose one. John e-mailed me to say, not to

:55:58.:56:04.

listen to lead of the opposition with his strategy of higher

:56:05.:56:06.

spending, higher borrowing, debt, but instead to stick to the

:56:07.:56:12.

long-term debt, but instead to stick to the

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that does the Prime Minister agree debt, but instead to stick to the

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with John? I do agree. He has demonstrated more sense in his

:56:28.:56:31.

Melbourne leader the opposition did in his six questions. Not only have

:56:32.:56:36.

we seen an economy growing, 2 million more people in work,

:56:37.:56:40.

inflation that is low, living standards are rising, but actually,

:56:41.:56:48.

680,000 fewer work less household and 480,000 fewer children in

:56:49.:56:51.

workless households. If you want to measure the real difference is the

:56:52.:56:55.

growth in the economy is making, think of those children and

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households and the dignity of work. Last weekend was the first

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anniversary of the death from cervical cancer of the girl aged 23.

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In June 2013, she was concerned to ask for an early smear test was

:57:15.:57:21.

refused because she was under 25. As has been highlighted, her family

:57:22.:57:24.

have now written an open letter to the Prime Minister. Can I ask him

:57:25.:57:30.

not to offer here a reflex repeat of the rationale for current screening

:57:31.:57:35.

age policy, but to reflect on the questions raised about how this

:57:36.:57:38.

translates into refusing smear tests to young women like this and to

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consider the age related level since it was increased in 2004? He raises

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an absolutely tragic case and our thoughts go to her family and

:57:51.:57:54.

friends. He raises an important case because the UK National screening

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committee set the age of 25 and my understanding is the reason for that

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is not a resource is based decision, but because of the potential adverse

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medical consequences of carrying out screening routinely below that age

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that there would be a number potentially false positives because

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of actually anatomical changes were to go on at that age full that

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of actually anatomical changes were reason, not of resources decision.

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It who fear they have a family history

:58:21.:58:24.

and ask for a him on that specific issue.

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Yesterday the EU said we can no longer have filters on the Internet

:58:36.:58:39.

to protect our children from indecent images. I want to know what

:58:40.:58:43.

the Prime Minister is going to do to make sure our children remain

:58:44.:58:50.

protected. I think it's absolutely vitally important we enable parents

:58:51.:58:55.

to have that protection for their children from this

:58:56.:58:57.

to have that protection for their Internet. Like her, when I read my

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daily main was morning, I spotted over

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daily main was morning, I spotted so hard to put in place these

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filters but I can reassure her because we actually secured an opt

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out yesterday so we can keep our family friendly filters to protect

:59:14.:59:18.

children and I can tell our House we will legislate to put our agreement

:59:19.:59:21.

with Internet companies on this issue into the law of the land so

:59:22.:59:29.

our children will be protected. Tim Farron. Mr Speaker, can I associate

:59:30.:59:32.

myself with the Prime Minister 's early remarks about the late Michael

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Meacher, a decent man, a good MP, and an extremely effective

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Environment Secretary. Yesterday I visited the refugee camps on Lesbos

:59:42.:59:46.

and there I met families that were inspirational, and desperate run

:59:47.:59:51.

alongside at a charity workers I found there. I am ashamed we will

:59:52.:59:56.

not offer at home to a single one of those averaging families. My ask the

:59:57.:59:59.

Prime Minister this question? Will not offer at home to a single one of

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those averaging families. My ask the Prime Minister this question? With

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the aggrieved with the save the children plea that we take as a

:00:05.:00:06.

country 3000 vulnerable and accompanied children some as young

:00:07.:00:12.

as six? Let me again welcome him to his place for them it's good to see

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such a high turnout of his MPs. LAUGHTER

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. Let me answer him directly. We have taken a decision as a country

:00:24.:00:28.

to take 20,000 refugees and we think it is better to take them from the

:00:29.:00:32.

camps instead of taking them from inside Europe. I repeat again today

:00:33.:00:38.

that we believe we will achieve 1000 refugees brought to Britain and

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housed and clothes and fed before Christmas, specifically on his

:00:45.:00:47.

question, though, about 3000 children and the proposal made by

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save the children, I have looked at this very carefully and there are

:00:52.:00:55.

other experts to point to the real danger of separating children from

:00:56.:00:58.

their broader families and that's why to date we have not taken that

:00:59.:01:10.

decision. As he begins his negotiations on our reformed

:01:11.:01:14.

relationship with the European Union, in earnest, will my right

:01:15.:01:18.

honourable friend confirmed to our partners and the British people that

:01:19.:01:24.

no option is off the table, all British options will be considered,

:01:25.:01:28.

including the option of a relationship such as that of Norway

:01:29.:01:33.

if it's negotiable and within our interests? I can certainly confirm

:01:34.:01:38.

to my honourable friend that no options are off the table and, as I

:01:39.:01:42.

have been clear, if we don't get what we need in our green

:01:43.:01:47.

negotiation, I will absolutely rule nothing out but important, as we

:01:48.:01:51.

have this debate as a nation, we are very clear about the facts and

:01:52.:01:54.

figures and the alternatives, because some people are arguing for

:01:55.:01:59.

Britain to leave the EU, not all people, and have pointed to the

:02:00.:02:03.

position of Norway saying it's a good outcome. I would guide very

:02:04.:02:07.

strongly against that, Norway actually pays as much per head to

:02:08.:02:13.

the EU as we do and take twice as many per head migrants as we do in

:02:14.:02:18.

this country, but they have no seat at the table, no ability to

:02:19.:02:22.

negotiate. I'm not arguing all those who want to leave the EU say they

:02:23.:02:26.

want to follow the Norwegian pass, but some do, and I think it's

:02:27.:02:30.

important in this debate we are absolutely clear about the

:02:31.:02:32.

consequences of these different actions. Willa Prime Minister

:02:33.:02:42.

congratulate my 17-year-old constituent on her 3800 named in

:02:43.:02:48.

addition to get the exam board for the first time to accept women

:02:49.:02:53.

composers on the syllabus. Will he tell us is he a feminist? If

:02:54.:02:59.

feminism means that we should treat people equally, then, yes,

:03:00.:03:04.

absolutely. And I'm proud of the fact I have got sitting around the

:03:05.:03:09.

Cabinet table, a third of women on something we promised and something

:03:10.:03:14.

we delivered. Can I congratulate her, above all, for her achievement

:03:15.:03:23.

in terms of this eve petition. It sounds thoroughly worthwhile and her

:03:24.:03:25.

constituent and have done a good job. Andrew Turner. The NHS England

:03:26.:03:39.

knows that the Isle of Wight's clinical commissioning group is a

:03:40.:03:44.

significant outlier in relation to its allocation targets. Can my right

:03:45.:03:48.

honourable friend confirm that progress is being made to identify

:03:49.:03:54.

the factors affecting the island? Really benefit from amendments to

:03:55.:04:03.

the new CCG formula? What I can say to my honourable friend is its right

:04:04.:04:08.

that assistance on allocations are made independent of Government and

:04:09.:04:12.

not by Government and so that is how the formula is reached. I can also

:04:13.:04:16.

tell him is an independent review of the funding formula underway and we

:04:17.:04:18.

expect to see its recommendations later this year but these things

:04:19.:04:22.

should be done in a fair and transparent way. The Prime Minister

:04:23.:04:28.

will remember meeting my constituents, Neal Shepherd and

:04:29.:04:34.

Sharon Wood, nine years ago this week. Neil took their children on

:04:35.:04:41.

holiday to Corfu and the children tragically died of carbon monoxide

:04:42.:04:46.

poisoning. The family's dearest wish is no other family suffers this

:04:47.:04:49.

heartbreaking tragedy they have endured. Tomorrow in the EU

:04:50.:04:54.

Parliament there will be a vote on a recommendation that the commissioner

:04:55.:04:58.

brings forward legislation to improve carbon monoxide safety and

:04:59.:05:02.

fire safety for tourism premises in the EU. Can I ask the Prime Minister

:05:03.:05:08.

that is MPs supported and if that motion falls, will he instigate

:05:09.:05:11.

legislation nationally in this country? First of all, I do remember

:05:12.:05:17.

the meeting we had and the great bravery of the parents after their

:05:18.:05:21.

terrible loss. Wanting to go on and campaign to make sure others did not

:05:22.:05:25.

use children in the way they had. I will look carefully at what you said

:05:26.:05:29.

about the European Parliament as for legislation in this country, we have

:05:30.:05:34.

strict regulation on particular things about fire resistant

:05:35.:05:37.

materials but I will look carefully at that too. Question 14, closed

:05:38.:05:47.

questions. Prime Minister,... We said at a long-term plan for the

:05:48.:05:49.

Midlands making its future engine for growth for the whole of the UK

:05:50.:05:54.

and across Government we are working with business leaders and local

:05:55.:05:56.

authorities to progress this ambition. I thank him for his

:05:57.:06:03.

answer. The Northern Powerhouse will help millions but it's the West

:06:04.:06:08.

Midlands which is the only region in the UK which has a trade balance

:06:09.:06:13.

surplus with China and its Greater Birmingham which is the fastest rate

:06:14.:06:19.

of private-sector job creation in the UK since 2010. So will the Prime

:06:20.:06:25.

Minister now ensure, in the national interest, but the West Midlands

:06:26.:06:28.

secures the best devolution deal possible? I think we have huge

:06:29.:06:34.

potential here to secure massive devolution to the West Midlands

:06:35.:06:38.

first ball I would say to everyone concerned they will be left out by

:06:39.:06:42.

the Northern Powerhouse, I think the West Midlands is in a perfect place

:06:43.:06:46.

to benefit both from the success and growth of London and of course a

:06:47.:06:49.

rebalancing of our economy towards the North of England. In terms of

:06:50.:06:52.

the West Midlands, we look forward to the West Midlands combined

:06:53.:06:57.

authority coming forward with its plans and what I would say to these

:06:58.:07:02.

areas contemplating devolution and devolution deals, the more you can

:07:03.:07:05.

put on the table, the builder you can be with your vision, the bolder

:07:06.:07:10.

response you would get Government. Can I tell a the Chancellor the

:07:11.:07:16.

strong support of the parties, businesses across the West Midlands,

:07:17.:07:20.

for a properly funded and significant devolution deal to

:07:21.:07:24.

strengthen the economy, boost productivity and get the brown site

:07:25.:07:28.

redeveloped to tackle congestion so we can transform the West Midlands

:07:29.:07:32.

with more jobs, better skills, quick transport links and new homes? I'm

:07:33.:07:37.

glad to hear from the honourable gentleman what an opportunity there

:07:38.:07:40.

is in the West Midlands to work across party to get the very best

:07:41.:07:44.

deal across all these authorities because, as I said, the more we can

:07:45.:07:47.

get the local authorities to come together and work together, and put

:07:48.:07:52.

their ambition and vision on the table, the better response they will

:07:53.:07:55.

get from the Government. Simon Burns.

:07:56.:08:03.

Does my right honourable friend agree with me that bullying in the

:08:04.:08:10.

workplace is reprehensible? Can he tell me whether the Government is

:08:11.:08:15.

planning any review of the legislation with a view to extending

:08:16.:08:23.

it to this chamber? Given that my right honourable friend has been

:08:24.:08:28.

called for a primaries as questions at 12:38pm, I would have thought any

:08:29.:08:32.

hint of bullying was clearly overemphasise in every conceivable

:08:33.:08:35.

way. He suffers no disadvantage and that's a good thing but bullying in

:08:36.:08:40.

the workplace is a problem and we do need to make sure it is stamped out

:08:41.:08:43.

and dealt with and that should apply in Parliament as elsewhere. Urgent

:08:44.:08:47.

question. It started late today, PMQ 's. It

:08:48.:09:06.

lasted almost 38 minutes, 37 minutes. Jeremy Corbyn today with

:09:07.:09:16.

his strongest performance yet. Many thought it was his best outings so

:09:17.:09:21.

far. He got away from crowd sourcing his questions until the last one.

:09:22.:09:28.

The other five were on tax credits and particular on the issues, will

:09:29.:09:29.

anybody lose out and particular on the issues, will

:09:30.:09:36.

changes. That is the question he asked the Prime Minister again and

:09:37.:09:38.

again. Quite clear the Prime

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only ask generally, not specifically about

:09:49.:09:55.

only ask generally, not specifically have ruled they are not

:09:56.:09:56.

only ask generally, not specifically welfare and then

:09:57.:09:59.

only ask generally, not specifically to commit suicide. Then we saw Tim

:10:00.:10:07.

Farron asking questions about migrants after his trip to one of

:10:08.:10:12.

the Greek islands. We will find out what our panel thought in a minute,

:10:13.:10:17.

but firstly, what did you think? One viewer said however passionate

:10:18.:10:21.

Jeremy Corbyn may feel about tax credits, does it show a singular

:10:22.:10:24.

lack of imagination to credits, does it show a singular

:10:25.:10:27.

question six times? Another says Jeremy Corbyn saying he was using

:10:28.:10:32.

the same effective tactic Michael Howard did, making the Prime

:10:33.:10:36.

the same effective tactic Michael Minister looking dodgy when he

:10:37.:10:37.

avoids answering a straightforward and simple question especially when

:10:38.:10:44.

ceremony are affected. Another said he is very good at ranting and

:10:45.:10:50.

propaganda but unable to answer a civil question on tax credits.

:10:51.:10:52.

Another says, politically this is the most important and exciting time

:10:53.:10:59.

in a generation. Didn't feel that reflected. The EU, the House of

:11:00.:11:05.

Lords and tax reform. As for tax credits, I hope some day would make

:11:06.:11:07.

the argument it credits, I hope some day would make

:11:08.:11:10.

behaviour rather than play the system.

:11:11.:11:15.

behaviour rather than play the Thank you. We have got in the last

:11:16.:11:19.

Wednesday of November not just the Autumn Statement but the

:11:20.:11:19.

comprehensive spending Autumn Statement but the

:11:20.:11:23.

lays out the plans of government spending over the next three

:11:24.:11:28.

financial years to stop there must be great danger for George Osborne

:11:29.:11:32.

now that this substantial statement, as important as the budget in many

:11:33.:11:35.

ways, will be hijacked for his need to change tax credits? He will do

:11:36.:11:40.

everything possible to make sure it's not, but clearly

:11:41.:11:43.

everything possible to make sure be the dominant theme running up

:11:44.:11:47.

until that moment. The problem may have is there is now a gap for

:11:48.:11:50.

Labour to say what they are going to say, which we saw from the Leader of

:11:51.:11:55.

the Opposition this morning. Clearly learning as he does all these Prime

:11:56.:12:01.

Minister's Questions, asking the same question six times, sticking

:12:02.:12:07.

with one issue, allowing himself a little bit of freedom to make his

:12:08.:12:10.

own point. What I thought was interesting from the Prime Minister

:12:11.:12:14.

is he is trying to develop a bit of a defence, which is not just wrap it

:12:15.:12:19.

in the headlights, that saying, if these are choices, if you don't make

:12:20.:12:24.

these cuts to welfare, if you stick to the spending plans as is, you

:12:25.:12:27.

have to find the money from elsewhere, health, education and so

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on. That is something the Tories and government want to develop as much

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as they can, so they can say it is a choice. This is not just a free hit,

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do you want to hurt working people not question that there are broader

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implications. Is the chance left only with the option to tweak, take

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away some of the rough edges? Or does he have time to do something

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more radical restaurant there has been a lot of talk from the Adam

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Smith Institute, to the Institute of economic affairs, about moving to a

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negative income tax? That it would be simpler, fairer and concentrate

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the money on the working poor. Is it too late for a fundamental change

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like that? I would be surprised if it went down that route. People I

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speak to, they are pretty sure they are know what they are going to do

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but not telling us yet. I think there is enough flexibility already

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built in the system to reduce the surplus target, extend the surplus

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target, come up with another form of mitigation elsewhere, in terms of

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May be looking at the National, the mixed thresholds. That is expensive

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for the yes, very offensive, none of these things are cheap. That is the

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point they will make. What I find interesting is, the point you

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make... We're not just talking about tax credits, we're talking about an

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extraordinary spending review that is coming up. I'm curious to see how

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the government goes into that, making the broader argument for

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saying look, they've done five years of low hanging fruit. The spending

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cuts that are coming now are going to be tough, they are going to bite.

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How do they get into that argument, making that defence of Saint from

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the conservative viewpoint you have to make those cuts to secure the

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economic future? At the moment there is still a certain amount of

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uncertainty about whether to go for that argument in a full throated way

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or if you should make an argument then the cuts are not as bad because

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we will compensate for this, that and so on? The Prime Minister was

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asked six times if anybody would lose out from the tax credit

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changes. Six times he didn't answer that specific question. Why not?

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I think it comes back to the conversation we had prior to

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questions itself, which it is not a simple and straightforward

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situation. You have to look at the wider picture, there are choices to

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be made and it is how we change that. It is not straightforward

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situation. We have to deal with that conjugated, difficult situation of

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changing the economy. And looking how we look at welfare. That gets us

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into a much stronger economic position in the medium term and long

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term. The e-mail that was read out about the hey Rob will --

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behavioural change, is there something in that? If you look at

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those figures where people would lose out, if they worked... Quite

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often affects part-time workers. If they worked a couple of extra ours

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on the new wage, that would compensate for the withdrawal of tax

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credits. Is there something in that? The problem is it depends on your

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individual circumstances. If you are a single earner on 15,000, if you

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get a few extra hours, for every extra ?1 you earn you are losing

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about 70p in your tax credits, so actually it doesn't... It is not

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compensating for the hit. You are still losing out. If you are a

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parent you would get more hours of free childcare. These are the

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arguments put forward. That is a fair point, but my understanding

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from the analysis is only 10% of tax credit recipients will benefit from

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this expansion in childcare. The problem is, a bit like the question

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you put to be very reasonably... George Osborne now has a problem. In

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law, because of his fiscal charter, he has to hit a surplus in 2019. He

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also has to find about seven - ten billions worth of tax cuts which the

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Tories promised that the last election, which has not been scored

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into the budget, the recent Redbook and he has to make a decision, is he

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gone compensate everybody who is losing out? That is a loss of 4.5

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billion, or is he going to phase it in? I don't think he does know what

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he is going to do. I don't think he can give a guarantee there will be

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the losers. Whatever, people will lose out, I think. The truth is a

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Prime Minister didn't answer the question because people are going to

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decide? -- going to lose out, we're not sure how many, but there will be

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losers. It seems to me that Chancellor is paying a longer game.

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He knows there will be losers, they have done the sums, but because he

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hopes of what will be favourable changes, with people working more,

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doing more hours, they will get the national living wage, they will come

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off an element of tax credits, that by 2020 it will be all over and we

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won't be arguing about this by then, even though there were short-term

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losers. That is clearly his strategy. Some people in the

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government think they have the short-term tactics wrong, the timing

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is wrong within that five-year period. What has happened is some of

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the cuts are front-loaded and some of the compensatory elements come

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into far down the line. It is very hard to argue when someone's tax

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credits are going to be removed next April, to say there will be a ripple

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effect. It is a very hard argument to make. I think that is where I

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think people say the government should change the timing, but stick

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to the argument. That is where the nerves are coming in? Yes. Thank

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you, James. What should you do if you make a

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mistake was mugged on up, move on and try not to do it again. That has

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or has been mine and Andrew's approach. Although we never make

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mistakes? That means they are not learning from their mistakes. Here

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is the soapbox. The Comet was

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the world's first jet airliner. But British pride soon turned to

:18:57.:19:07.

horror when two De Haviland jets An extensive investigation showed

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that the accident was a result of metal fatigue caused by the repeated

:19:11.:19:16.

pressurisation of the cabin. This information was shared with

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De Haviland's rivals Boeing In aviation,

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lessons are learned all the time. Each aircraft is equipped with two

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indestructible black boxes If there is an accident,

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the boxes are excavated, the data analysed, and the system,

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crucially, is adapted. And that means the same

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mistakes don't happen again. Last year, the accident rate

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for major airlines was one crash But compare this with healthcare,

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where clinicians often spin and conceal mistakes because

:19:56.:20:14.

of the fear of litigation And that's why preventable medical

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error is one Failure is inevitable

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in a complex world. Politicians, businessmen,

:20:46.:20:48.

even scientists are going to get things wrong, but what are we going

:20:49.:20:51.

to do with these mistakes? Do we spin them, do we shun them or

:20:52.:20:55.

do we harness them After all, if we don't know where

:20:56.:20:58.

we're going wrong, Is it really can parable, machines

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and people, when you use your planes analogy with health care?

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and people, when you use your planes I think is universal, you learning

:21:31.:21:32.

from mistakes, fundamental I think is universal, you learning

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beings learn and institutions learn. A good metaphor is marginal days,

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which is how we credit so much success in our Olympians, winning by

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crate into its component parts, and improving on various components 1%.

:21:48.:21:50.

crate into its component parts, and Aerodynamics, the design of

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crate into its component parts, and bike. Using antibacterial hand

:21:54.:21:53.

gels, things sound small but Achaemenid

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affect and equipment of continual improvement which can only happen if

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you look improvement which can only happen if

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assumptions rather than trying to defend yourself, that can be

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revolutionary. I'd love to see it in hospitals, schools, and in politics.

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revolutionary. I'd love to see it in Everyone has to agree what the

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mistake is and whether it was a mistake. Isn't that the problem in

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politics? And hospitals, because doctors try to spin the mistakes,

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and say, instead of we have confessed to killing somebody

:22:27.:22:27.

because our procedure was wrong, they blame it on the unusual

:22:28.:22:31.

symptoms of the patient, complications. You don't think those

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are valid sometimes, those arguments? No, because the

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information is pushed a deep underground. One hospital in Seattle

:22:42.:22:47.

adopted the marginal gains approach and are open and honest about their

:22:48.:22:49.

mistakes. Somebody came in and are open and honest about their

:22:50.:22:53.

not resuscitate wristband because the nurse was colour-blind, so they

:22:54.:22:59.

added text to the wristband and change the ergonomics of the

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equipment. The system adapted and there was a 74% reduction in

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insurance liability premiums. there was a 74% reduction in

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is a method which requires intellectual honesty and a

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is a method which requires Those are quite clear examples in

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aviation and health care but if we look at the umbrella over the top

:23:20.:23:23.

which is politics, the political system we exist and are at the

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moment, there will always be a difference of opinion as to what is

:23:28.:23:32.

a mistake and what is an alternative way of doing things. So let's change

:23:33.:23:38.

the idea of a mistake to a suboptimal outcome, all political

:23:39.:23:40.

outcomes are sub optimal unless we have a confession which we don't.

:23:41.:23:44.

International developer and, often decisions are made on how to help

:23:45.:23:48.

the poorest in the world on the basis of narrative, glossy

:23:49.:23:53.

magazines, great websites. So there was a scheme to improve education in

:23:54.:23:59.

rural Kenya and they sent a lot of English-language textbooks which

:24:00.:24:01.

sounded great, the material looked wonderful but a group of economists

:24:02.:24:07.

went in and tested it and found the kids didn't speak in dish well

:24:08.:24:10.

enough, so they tried something else. That outcome is an opportunity

:24:11.:24:15.

to reimagine how you can improve those outcomes so they tried

:24:16.:24:22.

deworming medication and the results were stellar. It improved

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everything. Unless you become some after we can't improve. When have

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politicians not learned from their mistakes? I wonder if George Osborne

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has been sub optimal. What would your suggestion be it to improve

:24:40.:24:47.

that outcome? I think there's a lot in this, you have got to fall down

:24:48.:24:54.

in order to learn to get back up. There is something there. There's a

:24:55.:24:58.

difference between what we privately will look at to make sure we have

:24:59.:25:02.

the best outcomes and changing them compared to what you will publicly

:25:03.:25:09.

be passing on and disagreeing on. A lot of the biggest arguments between

:25:10.:25:13.

Jonathan and I will be whether somebody's made a mistake in the

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first place. I think that's right but also politicians have got to

:25:17.:25:20.

admit when they've made a mistake and part of our culture is jumping

:25:21.:25:24.

on gas, you said something different. That prevents the culture

:25:25.:25:34.

where you can be honest. Nick Clegg said he was sorry. John McDonnell

:25:35.:25:37.

changed his mind. Those good things to do politically? A good analogy

:25:38.:25:43.

here is economic sway economists, even the best in the world, that

:25:44.:25:48.

they have to learn from the data which helps them to adapt and yet

:25:49.:25:52.

it's the highest reputation economist measured by how often TV

:25:53.:25:57.

studios make the worst predictions because when there is a predictive

:25:58.:26:01.

error they use their creative and intellectual energy to spin that

:26:02.:26:04.

data to defend their prior assumptions and that's why they

:26:05.:26:07.

don't learn from their mistakes. That's what we need in politics,

:26:08.:26:15.

people to adapt. Politicians always defending their assumptions. They

:26:16.:26:18.

spin the sub optimal outcome and that a tragedy. Whoop about the next

:26:19.:26:24.

economist which comes onto the programme. Who is that? Thank you.

:26:25.:26:28.

Of course you are, you've been watching the Daily

:26:29.:26:31.

But how satisfied you are with your life may also depend

:26:32.:26:35.

on where you live, according to a report by a think-tank called

:26:36.:26:37.

It found that the happiest place to live in the UK

:26:38.:26:42.

was the Outer Hebrides, where residents have high levels

:26:43.:26:44.

of life satisfaction despite having among the lowest average incomes.

:26:45.:26:47.

The most miserable place was said to be the city of Wolverhamton

:26:48.:26:53.

The most miserable place was said to be the city of Wolverhampton

:26:54.:26:56.

in the West Midlands, where a lack of opportunity is said

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Well we're joined now by two MPs who represent those areas, and I assume

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are therefore the happiest and the unhappiest people in the Commons

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Angus, why is your constituency part of the happiest place in Britain? I

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think the scenery, the beautiful beaches, the way people get on with

:27:20.:27:25.

each other. The general clubs, church groups, choirs, a number of

:27:26.:27:28.

things. There's a high value on knowing each and having a laugh with

:27:29.:27:34.

people. Why come to London, I will see 10,000 people and not know any

:27:35.:27:40.

of them in a day. On the island I will know everybody and have a chat

:27:41.:27:44.

and a laugh. It's generally very friendly. Emma, why is your place

:27:45.:27:48.

the unhappiest? I totally reject the findings. You won't be surprised to

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hear me say that. I'm not in the least bit miserable. Nor are the

:27:56.:27:58.

people of Wolverhampton who tend to be very open, very friendly, very

:27:59.:28:03.

welcoming to people who are visiting Wolverhampton full submit a great

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thing is gunning for us. We've had a massive investment by Jaguar Land

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Rover and a big factory on the outskirts of my constituency.

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There's lots going on in Wolverhampton, for example, one of

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the best civic halls, and dolled up OK, I will take your word for it. We

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got to cut this short. PMQs overrun. My suggestion is you should twin the

:28:28.:28:33.

two places. We have an SNP Government in the Hebrides which

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makes a huge difference. OK we will have to go.

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There's just time to put you out of your misery and give you

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I'll be here at noon tomorrow with all the big

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Jo's off gallivanting on the continent.

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