28/10/2015 Daily Politics


28/10/2015

Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn with coverage of Prime Minister's Questions. They are joined by housing minister Brandon Lewis and shadow minister without portfolio Jonathan Ashworth.


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Morning folks - welcome to the Daily Politics.

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David Cameron's off to Iceland later today to meet with his

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He wants to talk about his renegotiation of Britain's

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And according to this morning's papers he wants to warn voters that

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life outside the EU is no land of milk and honey.

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But before he leaves there's just the small matter

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Jeremy Corbyn says he's not going to gloat over the Government's

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defeat on tax credits, but might he just be tempted to mention it?

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We'll bring you all the action live at noon.

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The Lib Dem leader's just been to see the migrant crisis first-hand,

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and Tim Farron's got his first question to the Prime Minister.

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And we'll be talking to the MPs who represent what are said

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to be the happiest place in the UK, and the most miserable.

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All that in the next hour, and with us for the whole of the

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programme today two MPs who are in the happiest place in Westminster.

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No not the bar in the House of Lords after a hard night's work defying

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I mean of course the Daily Politics studio, the Disneyland

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It's the housing minister Brandon Lewis and the shadow minister

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without portfolio, Jonathan Ashworth.

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They wanted to give him a job but they didn't think what he could do.

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First today let's talk about the Prime Minister, because

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after PMQs he's off to Iceland for an annual conference with

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And Downing Street says he's going to use

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the occasion to directly address the alternatives to Britain remaining

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in the EU ahead of the referendum on membership which is due to take

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The official position of Mr Cameron, who is leading the renegotiation

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with other EU members, is that he rules nothing out if fellow leaders

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But today the Telegraph reports that he will warn voters that life

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outside the EU would not be a "land of milk and honey".

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He claims exit could cost the country hundreds

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Number 10 has also released a series of statements including one

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from the Norweigan prime minister urging Britain to reject their style

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Norway is a member of the European Economic Area

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Well this message was apparently aimed at those campaigning

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for a British exit, so let's get some reaction now

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from the Conservative MP Steve Baker from the Vote Leave campaign.

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Steve Baker, the chairman or one of the members of your campaign group

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says number ten appear to have dropped any semblance of neutrality.

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Is that how you see it? I think the terms of debate are changing. As I

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Javid said, you need to be prepared to walk away from negotiation and is

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big coming less clear the prime in history 's ruling anything out. Is

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he in panic mode? I think they are worried but not panicking. The

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spokesman for the Vote Leave said Downing Street was in a panic. I

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think there are a range of views but as a Conservative MP are loyal to

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the Prime Minister at every possible subject I can be. I have a great

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deal of faith in David Cameron. Downing Street sources say leaving

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the EU, not necessarily a land of milk and honey. Would you prefer him

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to say that staying in might not be either? I think it might be a good

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idea if he said staying in might not be the land of milk and honey. I

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hope he will ask Iceland if they will join the European year of -- EU

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today. It is unlikely a country like Norway or Iceland would join the EU

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like it is today. But we believe with the UK having an economy four

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times as big as them, we can get a British option. Is he right to be

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warning against the virtue is of the UK following the Norwegian model?

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The Norwegian model has its downsides but not as bad as people

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suggest. Estimates vary but some say Norway only has to adopt 10% of

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European Union proposals. There is a conversation to be had about the

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status of Norway, but nobody in our campaign is campaigning we adopt

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that model or the Swiss one. We think, as our biggest exports of

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European Union, we are in a strong and powerful position to negotiate

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for a British deal. Even in Norway themselves they say it is not the

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ideal option at all. You pay for all the regulations and you have no

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says. They don't have no say. Think about the code that deals with

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fish, based in Norway and the Norwegians chair it. They produce

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the global rules which are handed down to the EU and the EU hands them

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onto the way. The reality is that Norway, if they are influencing

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those rules are a global level they have more instruments than if they

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were represented by the EU in the same body. For many of us we believe

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that Britain, the fifth largest economy in the world, is capable of

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retraining its influence and power in world affairs and regulations,

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leaving the European Union. Steve Baker, thank you.

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Brandon Lewis, the Prime Minister says he rules nothing out when it

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comes to Europe. So why is he ruling out the Norwegian option? I think he

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has also been very clear about the concerns around staying in Europe as

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it is. I think what David has said by the way through his consistent,

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we need a renegotiation in the best interests of the country. There was

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nothing in the briefing that came out of Downing Street warning of the

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dangers of staying in? What the Prime Minister had said on numerous

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occasions as we need to get that we negotiation. We don't want to be

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part of where Europe is going. Why is he ruling out the Norwegian

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model? I think he has had clearly all the way through we will look at

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all options. He is looking at what is going on across Europe. It is

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about getting the right deal, the right deal for Britain as Steve

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said. I think we need to to bring that renegotiation board. Nobody

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will consciously agree with the wrong deal, it may be the wrong deal

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but nobody will consciously agree with that. The Prime Minister is

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meant to be neutral until he doesn't renegotiation and then tells us we

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can all make up our minds. Why is he pre-empting the debates, is the

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beginning to panic? Not at all. The Prime Minister doesn't panic, he has

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always delivered the right thing for this country, in Europe and on the

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wider scale forced what we will see in the next few months as those

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renegotiation is going forward. When we get to next year we will have the

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opportunity to see exactly where we end up. And as you said, in 2017

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people will get a chance to have their say. What is wrong with a

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variation of the Norwegian model? We will see what comes through with the

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renegotiation is. What is wrong with that? We are being briefed by

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Downing Street is not right. I'm asking you what is wrong with it? It

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is about looking at what is the right deal for us. It might be we

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can get a renegotiation that gives us what we want a staying part of

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the European Union. Being part of the European Union is hugely

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important, for tourism and energy. But we need to have on the right

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terms. Let me try one more time, what would be wrong with a version

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of the Norwegian model if we voted to come out of the EU? I think we

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are a long way from voting to come out of the EU. The ultimate problem,

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we have to know exactly what we are voting on. Until the renegotiation

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is finished, we are in a hypothetical situation. I would

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rather wait and let the Prime Minister to those renegotiation,

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make a recommendation to the British public and we all have our say. When

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will Jeremy Corbyn start campaigning to keep us in? We have a Labour

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campaign to keep us in, led by Mr Johnson. When will Jeremy Corbyn get

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involved? We have not heard him say much since he became leader? He has

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endorsed Allan Johnson's campaign and said the Labour Party will be

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campaigning to stay in the EU. It's his heart in it? The last time I was

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on your programme I found out I was not even born in 1975. I wanted you

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to remind our viewers of that. Jeremy Corbyn said we will campaign

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as at the Labour Party to stay in the EU. Our campaign is led by Allan

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Johnson. Labour MPs on the whole will campaign to stay in the EU. We

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have a handful of MPs who are more sceptical, but the split in the

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Labour Party are not in the scale of those in the Tory party. I'm sure

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Jeremy will be campaigning alongside Mr Johnson and me and Hilary Benn

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and other members of the Labour Party. You are sure of that? I

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and other members of the Labour very, very confident of it. LAUGHTER

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Have you got your fingers crossed? Not at all. I will be campaigning

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with Jeremy on the streets. You can join us.

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with Jeremy on the streets. You can Prime Minister to rule out the

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Norwegian option? Because if he fails in the renegotiation. I know

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we are not even contemplating it, fails in the renegotiation. I know

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according to Tories, but he could fail in the renegotiation. If he

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does and he can't get any changes, the Norwegian option, version of,

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suited for Britain, would have to be on the table? I have to upfront say

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we are talking about a Prime Minister who has succeeded for his

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country in the negotiations he has done in Europe over the last few

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years in the previous Coalition Government as well. He has a track

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record that gives me confidence Government as well. He has a track

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he will deliver for our country. The decision will be for the British

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public not politicians. They will get a chance to have their say.

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But before they were in coalition Thank you.

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But before they were in coalition with the Conservatives the leader of

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the Lib Dems used to get to put a couple of questions to the Prime

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Minister every week at PMQ 's, not any more. Today will be the first

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opportunity Tim Farron has had to ask a question of David Cameron. The

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Lib Dem leader is just back from Lesbos in Greece where he has been

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viewing the migrant crisis first-hand. He intends

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viewing the migrant crisis question today to push the Prime

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Minister on a proposal to accept refugees from Syria. And we can

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speak to him now in the Central Lobby. Tim Farron, welcome to Daily

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Politics. You want the government to commit to taking 3000 Syrian child

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refugees. How did you get to that figure? The save the children

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recommend the UK Government take 3000 unaccompanied children, some of

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whom will be as young as six, who are currently refugees within

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Europe. That sounds a very reasonable request. There are other

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things I could ask the government to do, which I would love them to do to

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play a fuller and better part in a more humane and leading part in

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dealing with the refugee crisis. This is a manageable, clear figure

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that Save The Children have come up with. It is worth bearing in mind

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these are children who are incredibly fungible. 13,000

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unaccompanied children in Italy last. 400 of those we have no idea

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where they are now. The threat to those young people from exploitation

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and worse is extreme. The UK will be doing something of huge humanitarian

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benefit and playing its part in the European team, if you like, if he

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was to accept that Save The Children request. How many adult refugees do

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you think the UK should take as a result of this crisis? I think the

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figure on the table at the moment, the 20,000 the government under

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great pressure have taken from the camps is one we need to keep

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monitoring and check they are taking any or many so far. But I think one

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of the things most shameful from my experience yesterday, was not a

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single one of the families who I met yesterday, desperate but

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inspirational people, will be able to provide peace and stability and a

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home for them. You would like to take some from the mainland question

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mark 12,000 individuals from within Europe. Which would be the UK opting

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into the EU system. Every year? At the moment that is what we have on

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the table. It won't go away if we put our head in the sand. This is a

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growing problem. It is worth bearing in mind, we often hear phrases

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bandied about by Ukip and conservatives saying Britain is only

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a small island. Can I point out to them that Lesbos is about the same

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size as the Isle of Skye. It is a very small island. It is taking

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300,000 refugees, desperate people. 94% of those people are designated

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as refugees independently verified. This is not a case of migrants

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taking advantage of this system. This is people fleeing the war in

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Syria and persecution and threaten the lives of them and their children

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in other parts of the region. Britain is at the moment not being a

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team player, not being the leader in humanitarian aid it has in years

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past. It is about time we played up to our heritage as a country that

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plays its part when you have crises like this. When the pictures we have

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just seen were posted on your party's Facebook page, do you accept

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there was a fair amount of criticism? Someone on your page

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actually said they risk their lives crossing the Mediterranean and their

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first taste of European culture is a Lib Dem MP using their woe for a

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publicity stunt, is less a publicity stunt? That is nonsense. I was there

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yesterday stood with other people from Save The Children and other

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charities as one of the boats came in. I thought I could stand in my

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jeans on my shirt and watch all lend a hand. I went and went at hand.

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What about your reception today in the House of Commons? What you think

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it will be like? Goodness knows. If I get a question today, I know I am

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against 642 individuals who do not share my politics. I thought you

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were guaranteed a question today? I do not think there is any certainty.

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I am told I should get one today. The Liberal Democrats, it has with

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the case, our job is to be on the side of the outsiders. We are an

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outsider outside this place and inside this place. If I get a

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question today I will press the Prime Minister to step up to the

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mark and do the right thing by desperate people, doing the things

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we would do for our children if we were faced with similar

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circumstances. If I get the chance to ask, that is a kind of thing I

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will be going for. I think we have the idea, we will be looking out for

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you. According to the Daily Politics

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calendar it's now day three of the constitutional crisis

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following the Lords decision to vote down government plans to cut working

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tax credits. The skies haven't fallen in,

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although it has been raining rather But it has left the government

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threatening to clip the wings of the unelected upper chamber,

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and plenty of questions remain out how the handling of this flagship

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policy went quite so badly wrong. Well to remind us

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of the whole story, here's JoCo. In their election manifesto the

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Conservatives said they would find The Government didn't make it clear

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where they would find the savings, although appeared to rule

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our cuts to tax credits paid to In his summer Budget the Chancellor

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outlined ?4.5bn of cuts to Working Tax Credits -

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benefits paid to people in work. He said

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a new minimum wage increase and a higher tax allowance would mean most

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families would not be worse off. But the Institute for Fiscal Studies

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calculated that from next April 3 million families

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would lose ?1,300 a year. A majority of MPs voted in favour

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of the changes three times. But this week the House of Lords

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defeated the government in two separate motions

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and demanded a rethink. The Government accused peers

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of over-reaching, saying the defeat raises

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"clear constitutional issues". But the Chancellor has now said

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there will be "transitional measures" to lessen the impact of

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the changes, with the detail set out Meanwhile, the Government has asked

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former cabinet minister Thomas Strathclyde to lead a review

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of House of Lords conventions. Thank you, JoCo. You were warned by

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every think-tank that knows about this, including Tory leaning think

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tank 's, you were warned by a number of your own backbenchers, either Sun

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newspaper, you were warned by the Mayor of London who was a

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Conservative not to proceed with the way the Chancellor was planning. Yet

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you did. You're now in a complete mess why? The reality is this two

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different issues going on, the change in the way the economy works,

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which is what House of Commons was voting on when we looked at tax

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credits, higher wages, lower welfare, but separately, the second

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issue is around an unelected chamber. I will come onto that. I

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will come onto that. I'm talking about the substance of the issue not

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the process or the constitution. That's what matters to people out

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there who consider tax credits going. They are not high earners in

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the first place. Why did you ignore all these warnings? We were very

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clear and the Chancellor made his position very clear that we are

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looking to move our economy to a new place which means we have to make

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difficult decisions in this period of time to make sure we get to the

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point where we have a higher wage economy, lower taxes. But you are

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taking the tax credits away before the higher wages come through. And

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even when they do, they do not compensate for the loss in the tax

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credits. Everybody point that out, it was clear from the beginning you

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were going to hit those at the lower end of the income scale. Let's take

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the Institute for Fiscal Studies outline as a good example. It does

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not look at the picture, does not account for not just the increase in

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salaries coming through, the reduction feel duty, a real-time

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reduction in council tax, but when you look at the entire economy,

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actually it's a much better place. I'm sorry, that is just not true.

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The House of Commons library research shows this, which takes

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into account the rise in tax thresholds and the rise in what you

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now called the National minimum wage. When you take that into

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account, poorer families on tax credits, working families, are outed

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by about ?1500 a year. For people like that, it is a tonne of money.

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That is a lot of money but it does not take into account some of the

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other changes in the economy in terms of the reduction of fuel,. You

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don't control that. No, but as the wider picture for the economy. Are

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you seriously telling me that poorer families... You don't control the

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world tax. Are you seriously telling me that families, when you include

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the tax credit changes, you include the rise in the minimum wage, in the

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tax threshold, there still ?1500 worse off. I knew telling me the

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fall in fuel prices will compensate for that? No, the figures you are

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quoting to not take account of the entire economy. The tax picture of

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what family or individual has in their life. At the moment, we're

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looking at fuel duty as one example, council tax reducing in

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real terms, people are seeing a different position to what some of

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those... You know none of that comes near compensating the

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those... You know none of that comes will lose most. Your own side is

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telling you that. Your own think tank is telling you that.

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telling you that. Your own think supporting media are telling you

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that. And you will have to change, won't you? There are also people out

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there as well won't you? There are also people out

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rightly exactly as the Prime Minister and the Chancellor have

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done, that we need to change the economy. That is the third time you

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have said that. economy. That is the third time you

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also said clearly he will listen to what people say.

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also said clearly he will listen to that now. This week. He will come

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back in the Autumn Statement that now. This week. He will come

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deal with transitions because we do need to move to that position where

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deal with transitions because we do we have higher wages and lower

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taxes. OK, that is the fourth time. Labour is obviously against this.

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You are against it, voting against it, of course. Let me ask you. Does

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Labour have any policy for welfare reform? Our position at the moment

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if we are reform? Our position at the moment

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It is the start of a parliament. The reform? Our position at the moment

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canoe no policy? We do. We are opposing -- at the moment you have

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no policy? In the welfare bill, we opposing -- at the moment you have

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opposed for example the reduction in the benefit cap.

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opposed for example the reduction in what you are against but what are

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you in favour of bigger so favour that means you're against welfare

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reform as seen by the Tories. Is it possible to have Labour inclined

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welfare reforms and can you give is an indication of

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welfare reforms and can you give is be? We won't have a fully developed

:22:49.:22:49.

policy having just lost be? We won't have a fully developed

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in May where we got hammered and we have 4.5 years until the next

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election. Can you contribute to the debate with your idea? We will have

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to look at where we are in four years' time, with Universal Credit

:23:06.:23:11.

coming, the national living wage, which we do support. That would

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change the welfare landscape the 2019-20, so we will have to look of

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the impact of that. Let me come onto my second question. You are

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committed, as I understand it, to balance the current budget, not the

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overall budget, but the current budget. The cut in tax credits,

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right or wrong, it is designed to contribute to the balancing of the

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current budget, tax credits, the spending, not investment, if you are

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against this, ?4.5 billion, where would you find it to continue with

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the balancing of the current budget? We would have to make different

:23:50.:23:54.

choices and ask ourselves, should we be increasing the inheritance tax

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threshold to ?1 million. That is 1 billion. Yes, we have the lowest

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corporation tax, do we need to reduce it down to 18p or 20p? That's

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something we could look at. The last time I looked, you were in favour of

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that. No, no, no, we have asked question about whether we should

:24:15.:24:18.

reduce corporation tax down to 18p, so there are other options. . . It

:24:19.:24:25.

isn't a 4.5 billion. Over a Parliament? Over a year. You need to

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find it to balance it every, the current budget you're committed to

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balancing. You could probably find money by making different choices on

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what the Chancellor is making. I understand that. That's why I'm

:24:42.:24:46.

interested in what he would do. You could take away pension tax relief

:24:47.:24:50.

for those on higher rates. That's a possibility but not something we are

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currently looking at. I thought you were having a debate. I'm just

:24:54.:24:57.

trying to help you out. I'm throwing Latin. I've advised you to join the

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Shadow cabinet I'm helping you the debate. I hope you come to a

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National Forum and Parbat in. OK, I have got to stop it there.

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The fluky beneficiary of a drastic elevation.

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No, I'm not describing our two guests of the day.

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I'm not even talking about me and JoCo.

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No, these were the cruel words of the novelist Martin Amis,

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describing the leader of her majesty's opposition Jeremy Corbyn.

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In his not-at-all snobbish piece in a Sunday newspaper,

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Oxford-educated Mr Amis noted that Mr Corbyn secured only two E-grade

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A-levels before dropping out of his course at North London Polytechnic.

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You can almost hear the smears as he wrote these words.

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Well Jeremy, if you're watching as you wait to head into the

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Commons chamber, we can't help get you that first in PPE from Oxford.

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It's still working but maybe not for long if you read the papers.

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Yes, Prime Minister's Questions is on its way.

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And that's not all - James Landale is here.

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What will Jeremy Corbyn, do you think, talk about in this PMQs? Al

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be amazed if he does not go on tax credits. It's an open goal, fruitful

:28:38.:28:42.

territory, and Labour thinks there's lots of questions to be asked. What

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the Chancellor has done no say, I'm not going to tell you anything until

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the Autumn Statement next month so there is one month where Labour can

:28:51.:28:54.

put pressure, ask questions, seek reassurances about how the decision

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will be made, what kind of accommodation to lessen the impact

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of these cuts, so that's the territory I imagine he will be. Our

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people speculating that David Cameron will talk about the

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Norwegian option today to get a story running that he is now party

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pre-in this referendum, already taking sides, ruling out things he

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said he would not rule out to try to get the flak away from tax credits?

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No, it's a broader position in the Government. It's a reflection of

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number ten's doubts about the efficacy of the in campaign up and

:29:32.:29:34.

want to get debates rolling. They are getting worried. Secondly, they

:29:35.:29:40.

want to get the out debate focused where they wanted, namely what if,

:29:41.:29:46.

what happens if the UK leaves the EU, what happens then? The doubt,

:29:47.:29:50.

risk, uncertainty. The Government will be happy to spend the next year

:29:51.:29:54.

and a half talking about Norway, Switzerland, any kind of complicated

:29:55.:29:59.

mixture of countries, as long as the debate is in that territory whereas

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the out campaign will be about cost and control, so that is what they

:30:05.:30:09.

are trying to do. It means the Prime Minister steps off the fence,

:30:10.:30:14.

doesn't it? Even before we have any idea what his renegotiation is going

:30:15.:30:18.

to achieve, he is arguing we should not take this option. It is the

:30:19.:30:24.

existing Prime Minister's position that he wants to remain in the EU

:30:25.:30:30.

that is reformed, so I think it's a recognition of not putting it eggs

:30:31.:30:33.

in one basket with renegotiation. You can't just say, we got to take

:30:34.:30:37.

the benefit rules, change language when it comes to the EU. He's got to

:30:38.:30:42.

make a broader argument about why he is in principle, from a broad point

:30:43.:30:46.

of view, need a positive reason to be a member of the youth. I take it

:30:47.:30:51.

they are worried the out campaign is gaining ground, the in campaign is

:30:52.:30:58.

kind of not taking off? Yes, the launch of the other day was not seen

:30:59.:31:02.

in Tory circles as being a great success. I think they feel they have

:31:03.:31:06.

to get out there and make that argument. There are members of the

:31:07.:31:10.

out campaign who have, shall we say, personal relations with number

:31:11.:31:13.

ten would have not always been favourable? And they get under the

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skin of some people at number ten said as a sense of pushing back

:31:18.:31:21.

until bit against the outcome. Who could you be talking about? Will

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Jeremy Corbyn continued to crowd sources questions? Who knows? Stop

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smiling. Last week, I think his office felt it worked effectively to

:31:35.:31:40.

use a punter question to reduce a subject and allow him to follow up

:31:41.:31:44.

depending on what Mr Cameron said. It was more effective than trying to

:31:45.:31:49.

bring the Prime Minister down. I think it's an effective tactic with

:31:50.:31:54.

PMQs because it is difficult for the Prime Minister to get nasty and lose

:31:55.:31:58.

his temper as he can do sometimes if he asks the question on behalf of

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someone affected by this tax credit cuts. If the follow-ups people want

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to hear, isn't it? Yes, and Jeremy followed up well. Lastly, the Prime

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Minister said he was delighted by the tax credit cuts. What an own

:32:13.:32:15.

goal on behalf of the Prime Minister. I bet he was kicking

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himself for that. Let's go to the House of Commons for PMQs.

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I know the whole house will wish to join me and paid tribute to Michael

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Meacher. He died suddenly last week and we send our condolences to his

:32:37.:32:40.

family and friends. Michael dedicated his life to public

:32:41.:32:45.

service, diligently representing his constituents for a staggering 45

:32:46.:32:48.

years. He was a passionate advocate of the causes he believed in,

:32:49.:32:51.

including the environment, and he was able to put these into practice

:32:52.:32:58.

as a minister between 97-2003. This house and our politics are poorer

:32:59.:33:01.

place without him and I know colleagues from all sides of this

:33:02.:33:04.

chamber will remember him with affection and miss him greatly. Mr

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Speaker, this morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues and

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others, and in addition to my duties in this house to have further

:33:15.:33:18.

meetings today. Can I associate myself with the sympathies expressed

:33:19.:33:25.

by the Prime Minister. Will my right honourable friend join me in

:33:26.:33:28.

celebrating that one in ten of the world's tractors are built in

:33:29.:33:38.

Basildon? Yanuyanutawa not an Airbus A380 flies without a part built in

:33:39.:33:46.

Basildon. And it is attracting investment from well renowned

:33:47.:33:48.

organisations such as the Royal Opera house. All of this is leading

:33:49.:33:53.

to job creation and opportunity. Will he therefore do all he can to

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ensure that Britain remains a great place to do business and prosper in

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the? -- prosper in. Basildon has place to do business and prosper in

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special place in my heart. I didn't know all those statistics, but it

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now has an even more special place. I can to him that the long-term use

:34:14.:34:22.

claimants is down by 24% of the last year. He spoke about what a great

:34:23.:34:25.

place Britain is to do business. We are now six in the rankings in the

:34:26.:34:30.

world for the best place to setup and to run a business. I know the

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Leader of the Opposition, not least because his new spokesman is

:34:36.:34:37.

apparently a great admirer of the Soviet Union, will be pleased to

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start the day with tractor statistics.

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Thank you, Mr by associating

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Thank you, Mr remarks the Prime Minister made

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about Michael Meacher? On behalf of the Labour Party, his constituents

:34:57.:35:02.

and the much wider community, our condolences to his family. I spoke

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to them last night and asked how condolences to his family. I spoke

:35:05.:35:11.

and sent me a very nice message, which if I may, I will read out.

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Quite brief but very poignant. They said, when I was young one of the

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things he frequently said to me was that people went into politics

:35:21.:35:24.

because their principles and they wanted to change things to make

:35:25.:35:27.

things better, but in order to get into power they would often

:35:28.:35:30.

compromise on their principles and that this could happen again and

:35:31.:35:34.

again until, if they eventually did get into power,

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again until, if they eventually did become so compromise that they would

:35:37.:35:43.

do nothing with it. Michael was a decent, hard-working, passionate and

:35:44.:35:48.

profound man. He represented he his constituency with diligence for 45

:35:49.:35:52.

years. He was a brilliant environment minister, as the Prime

:35:53.:35:56.

Minister pointed out. He was totally committed to parliamentary democracy

:35:57.:36:01.

and this Parliament, holding government or governments to account

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and he was a lifelong campaigner against injustice and poverty. We've

:36:06.:36:10.

remember Michael for all those things, we express our condolences

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and express are some these to his family at this very difficult time.

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His will be a hard act to follow, but we will do our best.

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Mr Speaker, following the events on Monday evening, and the belated

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acceptance from the Prime Minister of the result there, can he now

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guaranteed to The House and wider country that nobody will be worse

:36:32.:36:35.

off next year as a result of cuts to working tax credits?

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What I can guarantee is we remain committed to the vision of a higher

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pay, low tax, lower welfare economy. We believe the way to make

:36:48.:36:52.

sure that everyone is better off is to keep growing our economy, keep

:36:53.:36:57.

inflation low, keep cutting peoples taxes and introduce the national

:36:58.:37:00.

living wage. As for changes, the Chancellor will set them out in the

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Autumn Statement. I thank the Prime Minister for that, but the question

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I was asking was quite simply this. Will he confirm, right now, that tax

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credit cuts will not make anyone worse off in April next year?

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What we want is for people to be better off because we are cutting

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their taxes and increasing their paid, that he is going to have to be

:37:29.:37:31.

a little patient, because although these changes passed the House of

:37:32.:37:37.

Commons five times, with ever enlarging majorities, we will set

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out our new proposals in the Autumn Statement and you will be able to

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study them. Jeremy Corbyn.

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Mr Speaker, this is the time when we asked questions of the Prime

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Minister on behalf of the people of this country. Thank you.

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Mr Speaker, if I may continue. People are very worried about what

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is going to happen to them next April. So what exactly does the

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Prime Minister mean, is considering it, there is an Autumn Statement

:38:28.:38:31.

coming up? We thought he was committed to not cutting tax

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credits. Is he going to cut tax credits or not, are people going to

:38:37.:38:41.

be worse for next in April next year? You must know the answer.

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First of all we set out in our election manifesto that we would

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find ?12 billion of savings on welfare. Order, there is too much

:38:50.:38:58.

noise in the chamber. Order! A bit of calm. The questions must be

:38:59.:39:03.

heard, and the answers must be heard. The Prime Minister.

:39:04.:39:07.

Thank you Mr Speaker. It is an important point because every penny

:39:08.:39:10.

we don't save on welfare is savings we have to find in the education

:39:11.:39:15.

budget or in the policing budgets, or in the health budget. The second

:39:16.:39:19.

point I would make is the cause of what has happened on the other

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place, of course we should have a debate about how to reform welfare

:39:23.:39:27.

and how to reduce the cost of welfare. I am happy to have that

:39:28.:39:30.

debate, but of course it is difficult to have that debate with

:39:31.:39:34.

the honourable gentleman, because he has opposed everything all welfare

:39:35.:39:38.

change that was made. He doesn't support the welfare cap. He doesn't

:39:39.:39:42.

support the cap on housing benefit. He doesn't think that any change to

:39:43.:39:46.

welfare is worthwhile. I have to say, if we want a strong economy and

:39:47.:39:50.

we want growth, we want to get rid of our deficit, we want to secure

:39:51.:39:54.

our country, we need to reform welfare.

:39:55.:40:01.

What we are talking about our tax credits for people in work. The

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Prime Minister knows that, he understands that. He has lost the

:40:06.:40:08.

support of many people in this country that are actually quite

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synthetic to his political project. Some of the papers who supported him

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have come against on this. He did commit to ?12 billion worth of cuts

:40:17.:40:20.

in the welfare budget repeatedly refused to say if tax credits would

:40:21.:40:23.

be part of this. In fact he said they want. Can he now give us the

:40:24.:40:28.

answer we are trying to get today? Answer the question.

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The answer will be set out in the Autumn Statement when we set out our

:40:35.:40:37.

proposals. I have to say to him, it has come to quite a strange set of

:40:38.:40:43.

events when you have the House of Commons voting for something five

:40:44.:40:48.

times, when there is absolutely no rebellion among conservative members

:40:49.:40:52.

of parliament, or indeed amongst Conservative peers and the Labour

:40:53.:40:56.

Party is left offending and depending on unelected peers in the

:40:57.:41:02.

House of Lords. We British politics a new alliance. The unelected and

:41:03.:41:05.

the unelectable. SHOUTING. Mr Speaker, it is very

:41:06.:41:23.

interesting the Prime Minister still refuses to answer the fundamental

:41:24.:41:28.

question. This is not a constitutional crisis, this is a

:41:29.:41:33.

crisis for 3 million families in this country, for 3 million families

:41:34.:41:38.

in this country who are very worried about what is going to happen next

:41:39.:41:42.

April. Just before the last election, the former Chief Whip, now

:41:43.:41:47.

Justice Secretary, said in answer to a question on the BBC world at one,

:41:48.:41:52.

are you going to cut tax credits? The answer was, we are not going to

:41:53.:41:59.

cut them. Why did he say that? What I said in the election is that

:42:00.:42:04.

the basic level of child tax credits would stay the same. At ?2700 per

:42:05.:42:10.

child it stays exactly the same. The point is this, if we want to get our

:42:11.:42:14.

deficit down, if we want to secure our, me, if we want to keep on with

:42:15.:42:18.

secure growth, we need to make savings on welfare. Even with his

:42:19.:42:26.

deficit denying, borrow forever plan, presumably he has to make some

:42:27.:42:30.

savings in public spending? If you don't save any money on welfare, you

:42:31.:42:36.

end up cutting the NHS, you end up cutting even more deeply police

:42:37.:42:41.

budgets. Those are the troops. One is he going to stop deficit denial,

:42:42.:42:45.

get off the fence and tell us what he would do?

:42:46.:42:57.

Mr Speaker... A moment ago, the answer is a need to be heard, the

:42:58.:43:01.

questions need to be heard. The man is going to ask his question and it

:43:02.:43:06.

will be heard. If it takes longer, so be it.

:43:07.:43:12.

Thank you Mr Speaker. I've five times asked the Prime Minister today

:43:13.:43:18.

whether or not people will be worse off if they receive working tax

:43:19.:43:21.

credits next April? He still hasn't been able to answer me or indeed

:43:22.:43:26.

many others. Can I put him a question I was sent... CHEERING

:43:27.:43:36.

Mr Speaker, it might be very amusing to members said, but...

:43:37.:43:52.

I was sent this question by Karen: Why is the Prime Minister punishing

:43:53.:43:57.

working families? I work full time and earn their living wage within

:43:58.:44:01.

the public sector. The tax credit cuts will push me

:44:02.:44:04.

the public sector. The tax credit hardship. Can he give a cast-iron

:44:05.:44:10.

guarantee to Karen and all the other families who are very worried what

:44:11.:44:14.

guarantee to Karen and all the other is going to happen next April to

:44:15.:44:15.

therein come, is going to happen next April to

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make ends meet, could give them the answer today, I hope you will. I ask

:44:20.:44:24.

him, for the sixth time, please give us an answer to a very

:44:25.:44:26.

straightforward, very simple question.

:44:27.:44:31.

What I would say to Karen is this, if she is on the living wage,

:44:32.:44:35.

working in the public sector, next year in April she will benefit from

:44:36.:44:40.

being able to earn ?11,000 before she pays any income tax at all. It

:44:41.:44:46.

was around ?6,000 when I became Prime Minister forced up if she has

:44:47.:44:50.

children, she will benefit from 30 hours of childcare every week. That

:44:51.:44:55.

is something that has happened under this government. But above all, she

:44:56.:44:58.

will benefit because we have a growing economy, because we have

:44:59.:45:02.

zero inflation, because we have two million more people in work, because

:45:03.:45:07.

we will train 3 million apprentices in this Parliament, and that is the

:45:08.:45:11.

fact. The reason the Labour Party lost the last election is they were

:45:12.:45:16.

completely un-trusted on the deficit, on debt and on a stable

:45:17.:45:22.

economy. And since then the deficit deniers have taken over the Labour

:45:23.:45:25.

Party. That is what happened. When you look at their plans, borrowing

:45:26.:45:30.

for ever, printing money, hiking up taxes, it is working people like

:45:31.:45:32.

Karen that will pay the price. taxes, it is working people like

:45:33.:45:45.

2010. And this taxes, it is working people like

:45:46.:45:47.

delivered the M6 taxes, it is working people like

:45:48.:45:55.

in my area when it's completed. Does the Prime Minister agree with me

:45:56.:45:58.

that the Conservatives are insuring Morecambe is back open for

:45:59.:46:04.

business? I remember visiting his constituency and looking at the very

:46:05.:46:07.

important roadworks that were being put in place which will up the port,

:46:08.:46:10.

help when we bring in nuclear power station and the other

:46:11.:46:16.

steps he wants to see, I can tell him the long-term youth claimant

:46:17.:46:19.

count in him the long-term youth claimant

:46:20.:46:22.

by 30% in the last year, him the long-term youth claimant

:46:23.:46:28.

from our growing economy. Angus Robertson. We associate ourselves

:46:29.:46:35.

with the condolences expressed by the and the Leader of the Opposition

:46:36.:46:36.

about Michael. Last week I asked Prime Minister Erdogan tragic

:46:37.:46:44.

circumstances of Mike O'Sullivan, from north London, a disabled man

:46:45.:46:45.

who took from north London, a disabled man

:46:46.:46:49.

assessment by the Department for Work and Pensions. We know 60

:46:50.:46:52.

investigations had taken place into suicide

:46:53.:46:56.

investigations had taken place into of benefits, but the

:46:57.:47:00.

investigations had taken place into not been published. The Prime

:47:01.:47:00.

Minister said to me last not been published. The Prime

:47:01.:47:04.

he would look very carefully at the specific question about publication.

:47:05.:47:08.

Will he confirm when these findings will be published? I will write to

:47:09.:47:13.

him about this but my memory from looking into this afterward is there

:47:14.:47:18.

are very good reasons why we can't publish the specific report he talks

:47:19.:47:23.

about because it has personal and medical data in it which would not

:47:24.:47:27.

be appropriate for publication. If I got that wrong, I will write to him

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but that's my clear memory of looking into his question after last

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week. Tim Salter from Stourbridge in the West Midlands was 53 when he

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took his life. The coroner ruled a major factor in his death was

:47:42.:47:49.

greatly reduced living almost destitute. His sister said if of

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honourable people who will be affected the worst. The DWP need to

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publish these reviews. The Prime Minister says he is concerned about

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the views of the families involved. The families say the findings should

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be published. Really publish them? 3 million families will have their

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child tax credit is cancelled. We knew the answer to these questions.

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Let me correct on its last point. Under the proposals we put forward,

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those people on the lowest levels of pay where protected because of a

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national living wage and those people on the lowest incomes where

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protected because we were protecting the basic award of a child tax

:48:30.:48:37.

credit in 2007 and ?80. The other part of the question is a bit I've

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already answered but I'll send them a letter if I got it wrong, they

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were too many personal and medical details for that to be published. I

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think they is an important consideration that in deciding

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whether to publish something. I'd like to ask the Prime Minister about

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Ruby, one of my youngest constituents, just one-month-old.

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Why should she faced the prospect of spending their entire working life

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paying off the debt would have been built up by this generation? I think

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Ruby is right, when we became the Government, one in ?4 spent by the

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Government was borrowed money. We had one of the biggest budget

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deficit anywhere in the world and it's always easy for people to say

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put off the difficult decisions, don't make any spending reductions,

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but what they are doing is burdening future generations with debt. What I

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would say to the Labour front bench, that is not generosity, that is

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actually selfishness. I think the lady must have misheard but Mrs

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Sharon Hodgson. We know about the broken promise about tax credits but

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for the final nail in the coffin of compassionate Conservative there's

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be hammered home everywhere to scrap universal infant free school meals

:50:11.:50:14.

in the spending review, taking hot meals out of the mouths of innocent

:50:15.:50:20.

name with infant children? Will he guarantee now not to scrap universal

:50:21.:50:25.

infant pre-school meals slowly does not go down in history as David the

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Denis Thatcher? I'm immensely proud it was part of the Government would

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introduce this policy 13 years of a Labour Government and did they ever

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do that? -- dinner snatcher. Do you remember the infant free school

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meals, Labour Party? I'm proud of what we have done and we will be

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keeping it. CHEERING

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Thank you. Mr Speaker, my right honourable friend has demonstrated

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considerable leadership in ensuring Britain is the second-largest donor

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of aid in Syria. There is another crisis going on which the world is

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largely forgetting. In Yemen is an ongoing war, 1.4 million people

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forced to flee their homes, 3 million face starvation, half a

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million children are at risk from malnutrition and the president of

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the International Red Cross has said in Yemen, after five months, we're

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in the same position as we are in Syria after five years. Please can

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we do more? He's absolutely right to raise this and we have been involved

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in trying to help the situation right from the start, as in Syria, a

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major contributor in terms of humanitarian aid. We've made it

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clear all parties should engage without conditions and in good faith

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in peace talks to allow Yemen to move towards a sustainable peace and

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that needs to be a piece based on the fact that all people in Yemen

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needs proper representation by their Government. There are similarities

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with Syria, which is having a Government on behalf of one part of

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the country, never a sustainable solution. How dare anyone in this

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House earning ?74,000 a year tell families their combined income of

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?25,000 is too much and they need to give something back to balance the

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economy? Did the Prime Minister accused the listener 's manifesto

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because he knew he wouldn't be elected? -- refused to put this in

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his manifesto. When I became Prime Minister, nine out of ten families

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were getting tax credits, including MPs. That's how crazy the system we

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inherited was. We would use that during the last Parliament, opposed

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of course by Labour and the SNP, 26 out of ten families. Our proposals

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would take that down to five out of ten families but these are not

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proposals on their own but accompanied by a national living

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wage, for first time. By allowing people to air and ?11,000 before

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paying tax, for the first time, those sorts of measures will help

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the thought of family she talks about. The Prime Minister spoke

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about conference about the plight of young people in the care system. Can

:53:26.:53:31.

he answer what the garment will do to improve the chances of these

:53:32.:53:34.

young disadvantaged children and give them opportunities as they move

:53:35.:53:40.

forward in their lives? The most important thing we can do is to

:53:41.:53:45.

speed up the adoption system so more children get adopted. What we have

:53:46.:53:49.

seen since I've been Prime Minister is an increase in adoptions but,

:53:50.:53:54.

because of one or two judgments, it slipped backwards a bit and need to

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work very hard to make sure more children get adopted. For those who

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can't be adopted, we need to make sure our residential care homes are

:54:02.:54:04.

doing the best possible job they can and that's why today I can announce

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I've asked the former chief executive of Barnardos, an excellent

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public servant, who I worked with at the Home Office, to conduct an

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independent review of children's residential care reporting to the

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Education Secretary at myself so we can take every step to give these

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children the best start in life. Redundant steelworkers such as those

:54:28.:54:34.

in Wrexham pay national insurance contributions and played by the

:54:35.:54:39.

rules. Why then is this Government limiting mortgage interest support

:54:40.:54:44.

for them in the future and making them pay twice, once through

:54:45.:54:50.

national insurance and once through paying back a loan? Isn't that type

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of action and irresponsible Government like his should not be

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pursuing and isn't it an example of compassionate conservatism dying? He

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refers to a temporary recession measure on mortgage payments which

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was continued for five years but he does give me the opportunity to say,

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as I promised I would last night, to update the House on what we're doing

:55:18.:55:22.

to help the steel industry which is important to his constituency and,

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on energy costs, we will refund the energy intensive industries for the

:55:28.:55:31.

full amount of the policy costs they face as soon as we get the state

:55:32.:55:36.

aided judgment from Brussels. I can confirm that payment will be made

:55:37.:55:41.

immediately and throughout this Parliament, far more generous than

:55:42.:55:44.

what has been proposed by the party opposite. Graham Evans. I have had

:55:45.:55:55.

hundreds of e-mails from constituents regarding the Northern

:55:56.:55:57.

Powerhouse and I have just chose one. John e-mailed me to say, not to

:55:58.:56:04.

listen to lead of the opposition with his strategy of higher

:56:05.:56:06.

spending, higher borrowing, debt, but instead to stick to the

:56:07.:56:12.

long-term debt, but instead to stick to the

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that does the Prime Minister agree debt, but instead to stick to the

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with John? I do agree. He has demonstrated more sense in his

:56:28.:56:31.

Melbourne leader the opposition did in his six questions. Not only have

:56:32.:56:36.

we seen an economy growing, 2 million more people in work,

:56:37.:56:40.

inflation that is low, living standards are rising, but actually,

:56:41.:56:48.

680,000 fewer work less household and 480,000 fewer children in

:56:49.:56:51.

workless households. If you want to measure the real difference is the

:56:52.:56:55.

growth in the economy is making, think of those children and

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households and the dignity of work. Last weekend was the first

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anniversary of the death from cervical cancer of the girl aged 23.

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In June 2013, she was concerned to ask for an early smear test was

:57:15.:57:21.

refused because she was under 25. As has been highlighted, her family

:57:22.:57:24.

have now written an open letter to the Prime Minister. Can I ask him

:57:25.:57:30.

not to offer here a reflex repeat of the rationale for current screening

:57:31.:57:35.

age policy, but to reflect on the questions raised about how this

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translates into refusing smear tests to young women like this and to

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consider the age related level since it was increased in 2004? He raises

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an absolutely tragic case and our thoughts go to her family and

:57:51.:57:54.

friends. He raises an important case because the UK National screening

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committee set the age of 25 and my understanding is the reason for that

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is not a resource is based decision, but because of the potential adverse

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medical consequences of carrying out screening routinely below that age

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that there would be a number potentially false positives because

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of actually anatomical changes were to go on at that age full that

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of actually anatomical changes were reason, not of resources decision.

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It who fear they have a family history

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and ask for a him on that specific issue.

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Yesterday the EU said we can no longer have filters on the Internet

:58:36.:58:39.

to protect our children from indecent images. I want to know what

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the Prime Minister is going to do to make sure our children remain

:58:44.:58:50.

protected. I think it's absolutely vitally important we enable parents

:58:51.:58:55.

to have that protection for their children from this

:58:56.:58:57.

to have that protection for their Internet. Like her, when I read my

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daily main was morning, I spotted over

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daily main was morning, I spotted so hard to put in place these

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filters but I can reassure her because we actually secured an opt

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out yesterday so we can keep our family friendly filters to protect

:59:14.:59:18.

children and I can tell our House we will legislate to put our agreement

:59:19.:59:21.

with Internet companies on this issue into the law of the land so

:59:22.:59:29.

our children will be protected. Tim Farron. Mr Speaker, can I associate

:59:30.:59:32.

myself with the Prime Minister 's early remarks about the late Michael

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Meacher, a decent man, a good MP, and an extremely effective

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Environment Secretary. Yesterday I visited the refugee camps on Lesbos

:59:42.:59:46.

and there I met families that were inspirational, and desperate run

:59:47.:59:51.

alongside at a charity workers I found there. I am ashamed we will

:59:52.:59:56.

not offer at home to a single one of those averaging families. My ask the

:59:57.:59:59.

Prime Minister this question? Will not offer at home to a single one of

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those averaging families. My ask the Prime Minister this question? With

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the aggrieved with the save the children plea that we take as a

:00:05.:00:06.

country 3000 vulnerable and accompanied children some as young

:00:07.:00:12.

as six? Let me again welcome him to his place for them it's good to see

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such a high turnout of his MPs. LAUGHTER

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. Let me answer him directly. We have taken a decision as a country

:00:24.:00:28.

to take 20,000 refugees and we think it is better to take them from the

:00:29.:00:32.

camps instead of taking them from inside Europe. I repeat again today

:00:33.:00:38.

that we believe we will achieve 1000 refugees brought to Britain and

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housed and clothes and fed before Christmas, specifically on his

:00:45.:00:47.

question, though, about 3000 children and the proposal made by

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save the children, I have looked at this very carefully and there are

:00:52.:00:55.

other experts to point to the real danger of separating children from

:00:56.:00:58.

their broader families and that's why to date we have not taken that

:00:59.:01:10.

decision. As he begins his negotiations on our reformed

:01:11.:01:14.

relationship with the European Union, in earnest, will my right

:01:15.:01:18.

honourable friend confirmed to our partners and the British people that

:01:19.:01:24.

no option is off the table, all British options will be considered,

:01:25.:01:28.

including the option of a relationship such as that of Norway

:01:29.:01:33.

if it's negotiable and within our interests? I can certainly confirm

:01:34.:01:38.

to my honourable friend that no options are off the table and, as I

:01:39.:01:42.

have been clear, if we don't get what we need in our green

:01:43.:01:47.

negotiation, I will absolutely rule nothing out but important, as we

:01:48.:01:51.

have this debate as a nation, we are very clear about the facts and

:01:52.:01:54.

figures and the alternatives, because some people are arguing for

:01:55.:01:59.

Britain to leave the EU, not all people, and have pointed to the

:02:00.:02:03.

position of Norway saying it's a good outcome. I would guide very

:02:04.:02:07.

strongly against that, Norway actually pays as much per head to

:02:08.:02:13.

the EU as we do and take twice as many per head migrants as we do in

:02:14.:02:18.

this country, but they have no seat at the table, no ability to

:02:19.:02:22.

negotiate. I'm not arguing all those who want to leave the EU say they

:02:23.:02:26.

want to follow the Norwegian pass, but some do, and I think it's

:02:27.:02:30.

important in this debate we are absolutely clear about the

:02:31.:02:32.

consequences of these different actions. Willa Prime Minister

:02:33.:02:42.

congratulate my 17-year-old constituent on her 3800 named in

:02:43.:02:48.

addition to get the exam board for the first time to accept women

:02:49.:02:53.

composers on the syllabus. Will he tell us is he a feminist? If

:02:54.:02:59.

feminism means that we should treat people equally, then, yes,

:03:00.:03:04.

absolutely. And I'm proud of the fact I have got sitting around the

:03:05.:03:09.

Cabinet table, a third of women on something we promised and something

:03:10.:03:14.

we delivered. Can I congratulate her, above all, for her achievement

:03:15.:03:23.

in terms of this eve petition. It sounds thoroughly worthwhile and her

:03:24.:03:25.

constituent and have done a good job. Andrew Turner. The NHS England

:03:26.:03:39.

knows that the Isle of Wight's clinical commissioning group is a

:03:40.:03:44.

significant outlier in relation to its allocation targets. Can my right

:03:45.:03:48.

honourable friend confirm that progress is being made to identify

:03:49.:03:54.

the factors affecting the island? Really benefit from amendments to

:03:55.:04:03.

the new CCG formula? What I can say to my honourable friend is its right

:04:04.:04:08.

that assistance on allocations are made independent of Government and

:04:09.:04:12.

not by Government and so that is how the formula is reached. I can also

:04:13.:04:16.

tell him is an independent review of the funding formula underway and we

:04:17.:04:18.

expect to see its recommendations later this year but these things

:04:19.:04:22.

should be done in a fair and transparent way. The Prime Minister

:04:23.:04:28.

will remember meeting my constituents, Neal Shepherd and

:04:29.:04:34.

Sharon Wood, nine years ago this week. Neil took their children on

:04:35.:04:41.

holiday to Corfu and the children tragically died of carbon monoxide

:04:42.:04:46.

poisoning. The family's dearest wish is no other family suffers this

:04:47.:04:49.

heartbreaking tragedy they have endured. Tomorrow in the EU

:04:50.:04:54.

Parliament there will be a vote on a recommendation that the commissioner

:04:55.:04:58.

brings forward legislation to improve carbon monoxide safety and

:04:59.:05:02.

fire safety for tourism premises in the EU. Can I ask the Prime Minister

:05:03.:05:08.

that is MPs supported and if that motion falls, will he instigate

:05:09.:05:11.

legislation nationally in this country? First of all, I do remember

:05:12.:05:17.

the meeting we had and the great bravery of the parents after their

:05:18.:05:21.

terrible loss. Wanting to go on and campaign to make sure others did not

:05:22.:05:25.

use children in the way they had. I will look carefully at what you said

:05:26.:05:29.

about the European Parliament as for legislation in this country, we have

:05:30.:05:34.

strict regulation on particular things about fire resistant

:05:35.:05:37.

materials but I will look carefully at that too. Question 14, closed

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questions. Prime Minister,... We said at a long-term plan for the

:05:48.:05:49.

Midlands making its future engine for growth for the whole of the UK

:05:50.:05:54.

and across Government we are working with business leaders and local

:05:55.:05:56.

authorities to progress this ambition. I thank him for his

:05:57.:06:03.

answer. The Northern Powerhouse will help millions but it's the West

:06:04.:06:08.

Midlands which is the only region in the UK which has a trade balance

:06:09.:06:13.

surplus with China and its Greater Birmingham which is the fastest rate

:06:14.:06:19.

of private-sector job creation in the UK since 2010. So will the Prime

:06:20.:06:25.

Minister now ensure, in the national interest, but the West Midlands

:06:26.:06:28.

secures the best devolution deal possible? I think we have huge

:06:29.:06:34.

potential here to secure massive devolution to the West Midlands

:06:35.:06:38.

first ball I would say to everyone concerned they will be left out by

:06:39.:06:42.

the Northern Powerhouse, I think the West Midlands is in a perfect place

:06:43.:06:46.

to benefit both from the success and growth of London and of course a

:06:47.:06:49.

rebalancing of our economy towards the North of England. In terms of

:06:50.:06:52.

the West Midlands, we look forward to the West Midlands combined

:06:53.:06:57.

authority coming forward with its plans and what I would say to these

:06:58.:07:02.

areas contemplating devolution and devolution deals, the more you can

:07:03.:07:05.

put on the table, the builder you can be with your vision, the bolder

:07:06.:07:10.

response you would get Government. Can I tell a the Chancellor the

:07:11.:07:16.

strong support of the parties, businesses across the West Midlands,

:07:17.:07:20.

for a properly funded and significant devolution deal to

:07:21.:07:24.

strengthen the economy, boost productivity and get the brown site

:07:25.:07:28.

redeveloped to tackle congestion so we can transform the West Midlands

:07:29.:07:32.

with more jobs, better skills, quick transport links and new homes? I'm

:07:33.:07:37.

glad to hear from the honourable gentleman what an opportunity there

:07:38.:07:40.

is in the West Midlands to work across party to get the very best

:07:41.:07:44.

deal across all these authorities because, as I said, the more we can

:07:45.:07:47.

get the local authorities to come together and work together, and put

:07:48.:07:52.

their ambition and vision on the table, the better response they will

:07:53.:07:55.

get from the Government. Simon Burns.

:07:56.:08:03.

Does my right honourable friend agree with me that bullying in the

:08:04.:08:10.

workplace is reprehensible? Can he tell me whether the Government is

:08:11.:08:15.

planning any review of the legislation with a view to extending

:08:16.:08:23.

it to this chamber? Given that my right honourable friend has been

:08:24.:08:28.

called for a primaries as questions at 12:38pm, I would have thought any

:08:29.:08:32.

hint of bullying was clearly overemphasise in every conceivable

:08:33.:08:35.

way. He suffers no disadvantage and that's a good thing but bullying in

:08:36.:08:40.

the workplace is a problem and we do need to make sure it is stamped out

:08:41.:08:43.

and dealt with and that should apply in Parliament as elsewhere. Urgent

:08:44.:08:47.

question. It started late today, PMQ 's. It

:08:48.:09:06.

lasted almost 38 minutes, 37 minutes. Jeremy Corbyn today with

:09:07.:09:16.

his strongest performance yet. Many thought it was his best outings so

:09:17.:09:21.

far. He got away from crowd sourcing his questions until the last one.

:09:22.:09:28.

The other five were on tax credits and particular on the issues, will

:09:29.:09:29.

anybody lose out and particular on the issues, will

:09:30.:09:36.

changes. That is the question he asked the Prime Minister again and

:09:37.:09:38.

again. Quite clear the Prime

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only ask generally, not specifically about

:09:49.:09:55.

only ask generally, not specifically have ruled they are not

:09:56.:09:56.

only ask generally, not specifically welfare and then

:09:57.:09:59.

only ask generally, not specifically to commit suicide. Then we saw Tim

:10:00.:10:07.

Farron asking questions about migrants after his trip to one of

:10:08.:10:12.

the Greek islands. We will find out what our panel thought in a minute,

:10:13.:10:17.

but firstly, what did you think? One viewer said however passionate

:10:18.:10:21.

Jeremy Corbyn may feel about tax credits, does it show a singular

:10:22.:10:24.

lack of imagination to credits, does it show a singular

:10:25.:10:27.

question six times? Another says Jeremy Corbyn saying he was using

:10:28.:10:32.

the same effective tactic Michael Howard did, making the Prime

:10:33.:10:36.

the same effective tactic Michael Minister looking dodgy when he

:10:37.:10:37.

avoids answering a straightforward and simple question especially when

:10:38.:10:44.

ceremony are affected. Another said he is very good at ranting and

:10:45.:10:50.

propaganda but unable to answer a civil question on tax credits.

:10:51.:10:52.

Another says, politically this is the most important and exciting time

:10:53.:10:59.

in a generation. Didn't feel that reflected. The EU, the House of

:11:00.:11:05.

Lords and tax reform. As for tax credits, I hope some day would make

:11:06.:11:07.

the argument it credits, I hope some day would make

:11:08.:11:10.

behaviour rather than play the system.

:11:11.:11:15.

behaviour rather than play the Thank you. We have got in the last

:11:16.:11:19.

Wednesday of November not just the Autumn Statement but the

:11:20.:11:19.

comprehensive spending Autumn Statement but the

:11:20.:11:23.

lays out the plans of government spending over the next three

:11:24.:11:28.

financial years to stop there must be great danger for George Osborne

:11:29.:11:32.

now that this substantial statement, as important as the budget in many

:11:33.:11:35.

ways, will be hijacked for his need to change tax credits? He will do

:11:36.:11:40.

everything possible to make sure it's not, but clearly

:11:41.:11:43.

everything possible to make sure be the dominant theme running up

:11:44.:11:47.

until that moment. The problem may have is there is now a gap for

:11:48.:11:50.

Labour to say what they are going to say, which we saw from the Leader of

:11:51.:11:55.

the Opposition this morning. Clearly learning as he does all these Prime

:11:56.:12:01.

Minister's Questions, asking the same question six times, sticking

:12:02.:12:07.

with one issue, allowing himself a little bit of freedom to make his

:12:08.:12:10.

own point. What I thought was interesting from the Prime Minister

:12:11.:12:14.

is he is trying to develop a bit of a defence, which is not just wrap it

:12:15.:12:19.

in the headlights, that saying, if these are choices, if you don't make

:12:20.:12:24.

these cuts to welfare, if you stick to the spending plans as is, you

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have to find the money from elsewhere, health, education and so

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on. That is something the Tories and government want to develop as much

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as they can, so they can say it is a choice. This is not just a free hit,

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do you want to hurt working people not question that there are broader

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implications. Is the chance left only with the option to tweak, take

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away some of the rough edges? Or does he have time to do something

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more radical restaurant there has been a lot of talk from the Adam

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Smith Institute, to the Institute of economic affairs, about moving to a

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negative income tax? That it would be simpler, fairer and concentrate

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the money on the working poor. Is it too late for a fundamental change

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like that? I would be surprised if it went down that route. People I

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speak to, they are pretty sure they are know what they are going to do

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but not telling us yet. I think there is enough flexibility already

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built in the system to reduce the surplus target, extend the surplus

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target, come up with another form of mitigation elsewhere, in terms of

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May be looking at the National, the mixed thresholds. That is expensive

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for the yes, very offensive, none of these things are cheap. That is the

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point they will make. What I find interesting is, the point you

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make... We're not just talking about tax credits, we're talking about an

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extraordinary spending review that is coming up. I'm curious to see how

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the government goes into that, making the broader argument for

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saying look, they've done five years of low hanging fruit. The spending

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cuts that are coming now are going to be tough, they are going to bite.

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How do they get into that argument, making that defence of Saint from

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the conservative viewpoint you have to make those cuts to secure the

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economic future? At the moment there is still a certain amount of

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uncertainty about whether to go for that argument in a full throated way

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or if you should make an argument then the cuts are not as bad because

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we will compensate for this, that and so on? The Prime Minister was

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asked six times if anybody would lose out from the tax credit

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changes. Six times he didn't answer that specific question. Why not?

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I think it comes back to the conversation we had prior to

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questions itself, which it is not a simple and straightforward

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situation. You have to look at the wider picture, there are choices to

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be made and it is how we change that. It is not straightforward

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situation. We have to deal with that conjugated, difficult situation of

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changing the economy. And looking how we look at welfare. That gets us

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into a much stronger economic position in the medium term and long

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term. The e-mail that was read out about the hey Rob will --

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behavioural change, is there something in that? If you look at

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those figures where people would lose out, if they worked... Quite

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often affects part-time workers. If they worked a couple of extra ours

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on the new wage, that would compensate for the withdrawal of tax

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credits. Is there something in that? The problem is it depends on your

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individual circumstances. If you are a single earner on 15,000, if you

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get a few extra hours, for every extra ?1 you earn you are losing

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about 70p in your tax credits, so actually it doesn't... It is not

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compensating for the hit. You are still losing out. If you are a

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parent you would get more hours of free childcare. These are the

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arguments put forward. That is a fair point, but my understanding

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from the analysis is only 10% of tax credit recipients will benefit from

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this expansion in childcare. The problem is, a bit like the question

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you put to be very reasonably... George Osborne now has a problem. In

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law, because of his fiscal charter, he has to hit a surplus in 2019. He

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also has to find about seven - ten billions worth of tax cuts which the

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Tories promised that the last election, which has not been scored

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into the budget, the recent Redbook and he has to make a decision, is he

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gone compensate everybody who is losing out? That is a loss of 4.5

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billion, or is he going to phase it in? I don't think he does know what

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he is going to do. I don't think he can give a guarantee there will be

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the losers. Whatever, people will lose out, I think. The truth is a

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Prime Minister didn't answer the question because people are going to

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decide? -- going to lose out, we're not sure how many, but there will be

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losers. It seems to me that Chancellor is paying a longer game.

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He knows there will be losers, they have done the sums, but because he

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hopes of what will be favourable changes, with people working more,

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doing more hours, they will get the national living wage, they will come

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off an element of tax credits, that by 2020 it will be all over and we

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won't be arguing about this by then, even though there were short-term

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losers. That is clearly his strategy. Some people in the

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government think they have the short-term tactics wrong, the timing

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is wrong within that five-year period. What has happened is some of

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the cuts are front-loaded and some of the compensatory elements come

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into far down the line. It is very hard to argue when someone's tax

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credits are going to be removed next April, to say there will be a ripple

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effect. It is a very hard argument to make. I think that is where I

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think people say the government should change the timing, but stick

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to the argument. That is where the nerves are coming in? Yes. Thank

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you, James. What should you do if you make a

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mistake was mugged on up, move on and try not to do it again. That has

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or has been mine and Andrew's approach. Although we never make

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mistakes? That means they are not learning from their mistakes. Here

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is the soapbox. The Comet was

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the world's first jet airliner. But British pride soon turned to

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horror when two De Haviland jets An extensive investigation showed

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that the accident was a result of metal fatigue caused by the repeated

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pressurisation of the cabin. This information was shared with

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De Haviland's rivals Boeing In aviation,

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lessons are learned all the time. Each aircraft is equipped with two

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indestructible black boxes If there is an accident,

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the boxes are excavated, the data analysed, and the system,

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crucially, is adapted. And that means the same

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mistakes don't happen again. Last year, the accident rate

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for major airlines was one crash But compare this with healthcare,

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where clinicians often spin and conceal mistakes because

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of the fear of litigation And that's why preventable medical

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error is one Failure is inevitable

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in a complex world. Politicians, businessmen,

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even scientists are going to get things wrong, but what are we going

:20:49.:20:51.

to do with these mistakes? Do we spin them, do we shun them or

:20:52.:20:55.

do we harness them After all, if we don't know where

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we're going wrong, Is it really can parable, machines

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and people, when you use your planes analogy with health care?

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and people, when you use your planes I think is universal, you learning

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from mistakes, fundamental I think is universal, you learning

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beings learn and institutions learn. A good metaphor is marginal days,

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which is how we credit so much success in our Olympians, winning by

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crate into its component parts, and improving on various components 1%.

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crate into its component parts, and Aerodynamics, the design of

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crate into its component parts, and bike. Using antibacterial hand

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gels, things sound small but Achaemenid

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affect and equipment of continual improvement which can only happen if

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you look improvement which can only happen if

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assumptions rather than trying to defend yourself, that can be

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revolutionary. I'd love to see it in hospitals, schools, and in politics.

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revolutionary. I'd love to see it in Everyone has to agree what the

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mistake is and whether it was a mistake. Isn't that the problem in

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politics? And hospitals, because doctors try to spin the mistakes,

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and say, instead of we have confessed to killing somebody

:22:27.:22:27.

because our procedure was wrong, they blame it on the unusual

:22:28.:22:31.

symptoms of the patient, complications. You don't think those

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are valid sometimes, those arguments? No, because the

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information is pushed a deep underground. One hospital in Seattle

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adopted the marginal gains approach and are open and honest about their

:22:48.:22:49.

mistakes. Somebody came in and are open and honest about their

:22:50.:22:53.

not resuscitate wristband because the nurse was colour-blind, so they

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added text to the wristband and change the ergonomics of the

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equipment. The system adapted and there was a 74% reduction in

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insurance liability premiums. there was a 74% reduction in

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is a method which requires intellectual honesty and a

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is a method which requires Those are quite clear examples in

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aviation and health care but if we look at the umbrella over the top

:23:20.:23:23.

which is politics, the political system we exist and are at the

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moment, there will always be a difference of opinion as to what is

:23:28.:23:32.

a mistake and what is an alternative way of doing things. So let's change

:23:33.:23:38.

the idea of a mistake to a suboptimal outcome, all political

:23:39.:23:40.

outcomes are sub optimal unless we have a confession which we don't.

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International developer and, often decisions are made on how to help

:23:45.:23:48.

the poorest in the world on the basis of narrative, glossy

:23:49.:23:53.

magazines, great websites. So there was a scheme to improve education in

:23:54.:23:59.

rural Kenya and they sent a lot of English-language textbooks which

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sounded great, the material looked wonderful but a group of economists

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went in and tested it and found the kids didn't speak in dish well

:24:08.:24:10.

enough, so they tried something else. That outcome is an opportunity

:24:11.:24:15.

to reimagine how you can improve those outcomes so they tried

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deworming medication and the results were stellar. It improved

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everything. Unless you become some after we can't improve. When have

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politicians not learned from their mistakes? I wonder if George Osborne

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has been sub optimal. What would your suggestion be it to improve

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that outcome? I think there's a lot in this, you have got to fall down

:24:48.:24:54.

in order to learn to get back up. There is something there. There's a

:24:55.:24:58.

difference between what we privately will look at to make sure we have

:24:59.:25:02.

the best outcomes and changing them compared to what you will publicly

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be passing on and disagreeing on. A lot of the biggest arguments between

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Jonathan and I will be whether somebody's made a mistake in the

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first place. I think that's right but also politicians have got to

:25:17.:25:20.

admit when they've made a mistake and part of our culture is jumping

:25:21.:25:24.

on gas, you said something different. That prevents the culture

:25:25.:25:34.

where you can be honest. Nick Clegg said he was sorry. John McDonnell

:25:35.:25:37.

changed his mind. Those good things to do politically? A good analogy

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here is economic sway economists, even the best in the world, that

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they have to learn from the data which helps them to adapt and yet

:25:49.:25:52.

it's the highest reputation economist measured by how often TV

:25:53.:25:57.

studios make the worst predictions because when there is a predictive

:25:58.:26:01.

error they use their creative and intellectual energy to spin that

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data to defend their prior assumptions and that's why they

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don't learn from their mistakes. That's what we need in politics,

:26:08.:26:15.

people to adapt. Politicians always defending their assumptions. They

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spin the sub optimal outcome and that a tragedy. Whoop about the next

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economist which comes onto the programme. Who is that? Thank you.

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Of course you are, you've been watching the Daily

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But how satisfied you are with your life may also depend

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on where you live, according to a report by a think-tank called

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It found that the happiest place to live in the UK

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was the Outer Hebrides, where residents have high levels

:26:43.:26:44.

of life satisfaction despite having among the lowest average incomes.

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The most miserable place was said to be the city of Wolverhamton

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The most miserable place was said to be the city of Wolverhampton

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in the West Midlands, where a lack of opportunity is said

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Well we're joined now by two MPs who represent those areas, and I assume

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are therefore the happiest and the unhappiest people in the Commons

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Angus, why is your constituency part of the happiest place in Britain? I

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think the scenery, the beautiful beaches, the way people get on with

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each other. The general clubs, church groups, choirs, a number of

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things. There's a high value on knowing each and having a laugh with

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people. Why come to London, I will see 10,000 people and not know any

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of them in a day. On the island I will know everybody and have a chat

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and a laugh. It's generally very friendly. Emma, why is your place

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the unhappiest? I totally reject the findings. You won't be surprised to

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hear me say that. I'm not in the least bit miserable. Nor are the

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people of Wolverhampton who tend to be very open, very friendly, very

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welcoming to people who are visiting Wolverhampton full submit a great

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thing is gunning for us. We've had a massive investment by Jaguar Land

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Rover and a big factory on the outskirts of my constituency.

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There's lots going on in Wolverhampton, for example, one of

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the best civic halls, and dolled up OK, I will take your word for it. We

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got to cut this short. PMQs overrun. My suggestion is you should twin the

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two places. We have an SNP Government in the Hebrides which

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makes a huge difference. OK we will have to go.

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There's just time to put you out of your misery and give you

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I'll be here at noon tomorrow with all the big

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Jo's off gallivanting on the continent.

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Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn with all the latest news from Westminster including live coverage of Prime Minister's Questions. Andrew and Jo are joined by housing minister Brandon Lewis and shadow minister without portfolio Jonathan Ashworth to discuss the prime minister's visit to Iceland and the latest on tax credits.


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