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Afternoon, folks, welcome to the Daily Politics.


Ahead of world climate change talks in Paris next month, the UN issues


A major step forward, but not enough to meet keep global temperature


As thousands of people continue to try to cross into EU countries,


JoCo visits the frontline to see how countries are are coping.


It's become a key frontline in the crisis.


Up to 12,000 migrants have crossed this bridge every day


Earlier this week, he signed an agreement to give Scottish Labour


more autonomy and, today, Jeremy Corbyn addresses their conference.


We'll look at the scale of Labour's electoral challenge.


And was Nigel Farage right to compare the fall-out from Portugal's


recent elections with Soviet-era military interventions?


The Labour bigwig Stewart Wood who was, until May, a key Ed Miliband


lieutenant, who was at the former Labour leader's side


Let's kick off though with yesterday's House of Commons debate


on tax credits, which was tabled by the Labour MP Frank Field.


Breaking news, the last British resident to be held in Guantanamo


Bay has been released. Saudi national six Micro had been held in


military prison in Cuba since 2002 -- Shaker Ahmer. He has never been


charged or put on trial. 13 years, never been charged and he is finally


getting out. Rubber blade because they are bringing down Guantanamo


Bay. Perhaps this, perhaps, this is good news. He has children and one


of them he has never seen. I will be interesting to hear the plan for


when he comes back, whether he will be arrested. No indication they will


do that yet. They may still keep an eye on him. I expect one reason it


has taken so long is it sets a President for the 140 people left in


Guantanamo Bay which the American Congress and public opinion may have


mixed feelings about so that may have got in the way. This is


excellent news. Barack Obama wanted to close it down and he campaigned


in 2008. He is almost at the end of his second term now and it is still


that! In the first year, the American military blocked it in


Congress but hopefully this is the beginning of something more


permanent. He is coming back by chartered jet. Good for him. Into


London. He will not be met by his family, it will be warriors and


there will be a family reunion afterwards. We will follow that.


What major change is Jeremy Corbyn reported to have ordered


in the last week as a morale boaster for his staff?


c) The creation of Socialist banners and a flag room.


Or d) Turning his office into a chill-out zone?


And Stewart will hopefully give us the correct answer a little later


A report on climate change says the current proposals do not go far


enough to prevent audible temperatures rising by more than 2


degrees. The report says that


the current proposals do not go far enough to prevent global


temperatures from rising by more than two degrees, but they believe


the target is still within reach. Representatives from 196 countries


will gather in Paris at the end of November, with the aim of reaching a


legally-binding deal to cut carbon If a deal is reached,


a new global climate change treaty will come into effect in 2020


when the current commitments The last time the world came


together to discuss climate change, in Copenhagen in 2009,


the talks were branded chaotic. Leaders failed to reach


a legally binding deal, leaving the world on a pathway for


temperature rises of 3C and above. This time, the UN hopes that


the presence of world leaders on the first day of the summit will


spur on the negotiations. The UN say they are confident that


a deal will be reached, but expect that it will fall short


of the two degrees goal. Scientists have warned that even if


temperature rises are limited to two degrees, sea levels could still rise


by as much as six metres above their We can talk now to the BBC's


science editor, David Shukman. What do you make of the UN's


assessment? On the one hand, it is an amazing achievement that so many


countries had decided they will take part in this process. You mentioned


the Copenhagen summit in December 2009, I was there and it was a


dysfunctional event that ultimately led to failure. There was an attempt


to foist carbon reduction targets on different countries and they were


not willing to play ball. This completely new approach, bottom-up,


not top-down of inviting countries to create their own carbon reduction


plans and their own pledges, it in the jargon, the nationally


determined contributions, it has turned out well for the UN. There


was no guarantee anybody would play ball but we have 146 countries to


the beginning of this month and another ten in the last couple of


weeks, covering 86% of global emissions. Whatever happens next, in


a sense, there is an amazing vote of faith by these countries in the


process itself. It remains to be seen who keeps to their promises and


what they amount to. What is the minimum that has to happen in Paris


for it to be regarded broadly as a success? I think you need these


different pledges to be enshrined in legal text. That is a starting point


for many countries. And then there is a host of issues that will be


extremely difficult but do need to be sorted. For example, at the


moment, those pledges add up to emissions over the next 15, 20 years


that could keep the rising temperatures to below three degrees.


That is hailed as a success by the UN. What counts is what happens


after 2030, when this period runs out. Will there be a tough review


mechanism? Will everybody be under some kind Russia every five years


also to beef up their targets and do more? -- pressure. That is one big


area in Paris. The other is finance. Some of these pledges, notably India


and other developing countries, they have said they will cut emissions


but you, the rich world, you will help to pay for it. And there are


big price per -- and there are big price tags attached so no guarantee


the money will flow in that direction so no guaranteed they will


do what they say is feasible. Lots to sort out in Paris and I think


that is why tension is mounting in the run-up to that event because


nobody is totally sure how that will play out.


Thank you very much for mocking our cards today!


We've been joined by the former Conservative energy minister,


Greg Barker, who is now in the Lords and chairs the London Sustainable


Development Commission, and by UKIP's deputy leader, Paul Nuttall.


Welcome, both. Are you confident Paris will be more of a success than


Copenhagen? I think that is without a doubt. Copenhagen was not on any


terms a success. Not many people could have expected a couple of


years ago we would be a session to make progress in Paris. The reason


is the cost of Green energy has, tumbling down and we have had big


advances in technology and large economies can reduce a Kobane


emissions while still growing. The transition to a low carbon economy


in 2010 was a pipe dream. A hypothesis. Now it is happening and


in an affordable way. We need an ambitious deal in Paris. Still a


long way to go but things are looking more encouraging than they


did 12 months ago. On current projections, emissions will be 22%


higher in 2013 and in 2010. Globally, they will go up. But the


big news is that China, the world's largest emitter, will peak emissions


by 2030. That was almost thinkable in 2009 in Copenhagen. You have the


big developing economies who will dominate the economy of the


21st-century accepting they are part of the solution. And you do not have


this finger-pointing jihad in Copenhagen, it was all left to


Europe and the US -- that you had in Copenhagen. Everybody has a common


responsibility. And the UK plays a disproportionately important role in


these talks. We have the world's best climate because she tours who


get very little credit. -- best climate providers. What do you want


to happen in Paris? I would like to see a level playing field for the


British. At the moment, what happens at these climate change conferences


is Europe goes on ahead and they attempt to meet the targets and the


growing economies in China, India for example take no notice. As an


example, we are talking about the Chinese saying emissions will peak


at 2030, but to my office said the Chinese population will peak at 2030


and emissions generally get driven by population. That is mean minded.


Anybody who looks thoughtfully at this realises China's commitment and


I's engagement and clean energy and solar energy... -- India. The


Indians emit a 10th of the emissions of the US and these large economies


will grow and it is rightly should do so. It is not holding people down


in poverty. We have to have economic growth and do that in a clean way.


It also represents a huge opportunity for British business as


we have the best games and technology and firms who will make a


lot of money out of this low carbon transmission. Nearly all the


technology for wind power has been imported. Wind power is one example.


Across-the-board, looking at the value of the low carbon sector...


The Chinese lead on solar powers. The Europeans, Denmark, Germany,


they read on wind power. Where do we read? And a range of subgroups


within that. We are not a big heavy manufacturer in that way but in


terms of light materials and energy efficiency technology and a number


of applications, and in finance, more money was raised from London to


finance the global economy than any other centre. Your government has


just closed the Greenbank. The Green investment bank is a huge success


story. It has been privatised as a result. It is about ?6 billion now.


Of taxpayers' money. Not sure that is privatisation, never mind! It is


going to attract private investment and it will live at that investment.


So millions of pounds. Is it not time for Britain to recognise if it


is to cut carbon emissions, the economy has to change? There have


been still making losses of jobs in the North, probably more, is that an


inevitable changing of the balance of power in the world economy and


that is not what we do any more? The problem is energy prices. Energy


prices here they are three times of France and the most expensive in the


EU and the world. And the problem is it is what... Hold on. Energy prices


are the most expensive. The most expensive in the EU, 3 times of


France. The problem we have got is that companies move from Britain to


the cheap economies in China and so on and we get left behind. When


steel production is moved, CO2 production is not cut. It simply


moves to somewhere where they will be less monitored than in the UK.


Yes, so you have to be sensible and not disproportionately penalised


industry. We need to do more to ensure they maintain a competitive


advantage. Clean electricity, wind power and solar power is driving


down the cost of electricity in the UK because costs have come down so


much. That has not been reflected in wholesale prices, in the retail


prices to domestic or industrial users.


It is about 4.5 pence in France. It is half. Why is it is so much in


Britain? Because we disproportionately load energy taxes


and levies on to industry rather than consumers. You do that? It has


been the case that we have, we have put less on consumers and more on


industry. In Germany it is the other way round, consumers pay more than


we do here in the UK. But ultimately you are looking at it is wrong way.


We need to look at making it cheaper by using less, energy efficiency has


more potential in this country. We with drive down bills by helping


them use less in the home. I am led to believe that green levies are


putting round ?70 on household bills. So we are subsidising these


wind farms which make rich people richer and poor people poorer. It is


not sustainable or fair. What is your view Stewart Wood? There is


cause for optimism. I was at Copenhagen with Gordon Brown's team.


Was it as much of a shambles as people say? There wasn't this


process David Shuckman talks about. The US and China had different


pressures not do a deal, dropping countries were resentful. --


developing. Didn't the President leave early because there was a snow


storm coming in? I remember it was cold and snowy. In the process, the,


it has been better. I don't want to make a cheap point but I will make a


small one. We are famous for them. I think Gordon Brown and David Cameron


in a rare moment of team work, have been supportive of this agenda of


providing funds for developing countries to buy them into a global


deal. On the domestic front Amber Rudd didn't mention Paris in her


speech. The secretary for climate change didn't mention this. There


has been a huge cut in subsidies to the renewable energies... She was


very punchy on Paris. Why are you cutting subsidies? The cost of


technology is getting cheaper. It is a huge success. Why have you


withdrawn supports for zero carbon homes? Every single investment,


seems to be going against the renewables and clean energy agenda.


We have had unprecedented investment in clean energy under David Cameron.


The UK has become a world leader in offshore wind. We is the most


expensive form of energy. The cost is coming down. We keep on being


told. The cost of clean energy is coming down. Why o do all these


companies scream if you take the subsidies away they won't do it. I


cut the tariffs for solar in 2011. We had a massive expansion. The


question is getting the right balance. We are squeezed of time.


There will be lots of more of this. This afternoon, Jeremy Corbyn will


address the Scottish Labour He's expected to say


his party is now the socialist But after Labour's devastating


wipe-out north of the border in the general election,


can he hope to claw back support We'll discuss this


in a moment with Stewart Wood. The Labour Party has agonised over


why, when Ed Miliband went to vote in this year's general election it


didn't start a day that would end in Downing Street.


The electorate and press have said what they thought the problem was,


but the story internally is more complicated and surprising.


That the public had something of a problem with the man himself was no


secret to his circle but despite his slight awkwardness and that


troublesome breakfast, something he was advised not to do beforehand, he


could still joke about it, If she is looking for a new challenge she


should try wrestling a bacon sandwich, live on national


television. And many voters had settled on their view of Ed as a


person years before. Not everyone was negative. What seemed more of a


problem was they new they appeared anti-business. In fact it wasn't


something the internal polling was saying hurt them much. No


economically, it was handling the past to prove they could handle the


future that was devastating. Do you accept that when Labour was last in


power, it overspent? No, I don't. I know you may no agree with that, but


let me say very clearly. Even with all the borrowing. That simple


answer to a simple question was not the one he had rehearsed with his


team and was the one they knew the public responded least well too.


Given what he forgot to say about the deficit in his final conference


speech, that polled very well when actually revealed to focus groups,


this amounted to a terrible double own goal. But there was another


problem. The truth is that no one party looks likely to win an


outright majority at this election. We will need to build bridges


between the different parties if we are to deliver. Is Such an idea was


giving the confident the idea to warn. And the Labour team had been


divided on how to fight that. Jim Murphy always a little to Ed's


right. Five steps to the left... Argued all options should be


acknowledged. Douglas Alexander the strategist wanted a firm message


from the outset. Let me be plain. We are not going to do a deal. Days lay


later in Scotland and we know and hindsight is easy politics, the


infamous Ed stone became an electoral headstone.


Stewart Wood is still with me - he was Shadow Minister without


Portfolio, and a key adviser to Ed Miliband until May this year.


And we've been joined by the BBC political correspondent Iain Watson,


whose recent book, Five Million Conversations, analyses what went


When you look back now, on broad brush, what is have you concluded


was the reason you lost? I mean, I don't want to get too complicated.


One is in the short-term for those five years we didn't do enough to


reassure people their taxes were safe in our hands. I think there was


an economic credibility issue, we were aware of it going in, we


thought the economic argument pointed towards different stance,


perhaps to the way the political constraints we faced pointed and let


us be honest we didn't resolve that satisfactorily. Some people have


problems with Ed and the leadership. Let us be honest about that too. In


the last few week, the Scottish issue reared its head. It was always


pretty devastating prospect north of the border. Its appearance south of


the border... The English fear of Miliband, sturgeon, some


combination? Yes, trustability on spending, combined with fears, this


is the Conservative's term not mine but blackmailing a minority Labour


Government. The sense of Labour weakness on spending, with


ScottishPower over us, Scottish National Party power. That is my


sense. That is interesting, there was a generic reason and the


campaign reason that came in. What did you find? A whole range of


thing, the reason it is called Five Million Conversations Ed Miliband


declared he had won the ground war. He said we have had five million


conversations and this will go to the wire. A spoiler alert is it did


not go to wire, why did it not? Stewart has gone through the


political failure, there is organisational failures as well.


Labour spent a huge amount. 18 million on its field operation, but


largely they hadn't changed the way of thinking. We they were trying to


pull out the Labour vote in the traditional way but there was no


Plan B when they found out that the Labour vote was evaporating. One


minister said it was like talking through an glass partition. We


didn't know how to report back, when people said we don't know, they were


blind sided. Also they were under informed about how badly they were


doing, so for example, the Conservatives private polling was


suggesting they would get in excess of 300 seats. Labour were working on


a scenario they would never get more than 290 seats. There was a gap,


they didn't know when things were going wrong. When did it dawn on you


you were going to lose? My view going into the last few days, in a


way the campaign was in terms of popular opinion, it felt when you


were in the bus on the campaign you were in the same position as at the


beginning, very close, neck and neck, my personal view was it would


be a hung parliament with the Tories ahead. I thought that would be


difficult for us to be in power. That is my own personal view. But


the scale of the defeat was a surprise to me at one minute past


ten when the Exit Poll came out. It is true that Mr Miliband thought the


Exit Poll was a rogue? I think because it was so at odds with all


the other information we had been getting and all of you had been get,


it was true when we were in to be caster and the poll came out, our


initial thought was this doesn't sound right. It proved on the wrong.


It was pretty much right. Scotland, the Scottish Labour Party


meeting at the moment, almost a Total wipe-out of the party north of


the border. If you you don't get some kind of come back in Scotland,


the mountain you have to climb to win the next election is huge. Sure.


In England. You are a hundred seats behind. You need a 12% swing. It is


hard to see the makings of a come back in Scotland Well, it is very


difficult to see us coming back in the next five years because there is


a mountain to climb. I accept the scale of the challenge, you are


right about that. I don't quite accept the idea what you need do in


Scotland is different to the rest of the country. I wasn't implying that,


you need to recoup a lot of ground in Scotland, otherwise you have to


do so well in England that it is Mission Impossible. I agree. At the


moment we are facing a Scottish National Party that has this


extraordinary position of being an incumbent, that is difficult to


fight again for any party. Look, I think what Jeremy is trying to do in


Scotland today and more broadly is bring a mission back to the public's


peresubpoenaion of what Labour is about. That is what we have to do


whether we are losing voters to the Ukip or the SNP or others. It is


nowhere near the end of the story. You have to branch out from a


mission that will galvanise your voter, but that is the first


challenge. He seems to think in Scotland it's a race to be left,


talking about the socialist alternative there to the SNP. In


other words we, Labour, Mr Wore bin -- Corbyn is a going to say is going


to be more left-wing than the SNP. If you look at how the Scottish


Government behaves it is a centrist. Moderately centre-left or


centre-right Government. You are right. They have these symbols of


the left-wing credential, anti-Trident and the like. But they


have almost have a Blairite big tent. One of the interesting things


in the book, on the eve of Hallowe'en it is more shocking for


Labour supporters than Stewart is suggesting. One is if Jeremy Corbyn


comes off this austerity agenda the polling is showing that the SNP were


trusted, trusted to spend more than Labour, but also to spend it more


wisely than labour, so that isn't a solution. The second thing is a huge


change in attitudes. When I covered the first Scottish Parliament


elections Labour did very well with a slogan, divorce is an expensive


business. They tried a similar tactic during the election. They


said there will be an 8 billion hole in the budget. They tested that in


the focus groups, and it said, that that attack voters thought was


entirely credible, yet not particularly scary, one person in


the group summed up the whole thing by saying divorce costs you money.


So the attitude changes from it being an expensive business to a


price worth paying. That will be difficult for for an English based


leader to pull back before next year's Scottish elections.


What would you advice the, if I can call them the moderates in the


Labour Party, those in the centre and what we used to talk of as the


right. What should there strategy be over the next five years. One of the


characteristics the of Jeremy's leadership, he will be encouraging


people to be in the business of idea, new thinking. It is clear, you


have new groups sprouting up inside the Labour fold. At lot are worried


about the appointment of Andrew Fisher, Seamus Mill and momentum,


this new grass movement they fear is going to sweep them up. What has Mr


Corbyn done to reach out to the parts of the party who are


frightened of him? We have heard that is a sustainability cabinet.


That for a little while He has a job as head of comes. He said that on


perish today. Look, I think for the Jeremy Corbyn knows that the


Parliamentary Labour Party will take time to be reconciled to his


leadership. This is time to be doing some fundamental thinking. It is not


just the Labour Party that is left party in trouble. It is one of many


across the developed world of in serious trouble. And if ever there


was a time for fundamental thinking and genuine debate, this is it. And


Jeremy Corbyn I think is someone who has shown already he is committed to


it and he is going to let different parts of the Labour Party have


different answers. We will leave it there.


I have had about 4 million conversations! About tax credits!


It's time now to find out the answer to our quiz.


What major change is Jeremy Corbyn reported to have ordered


in the last week as a morale-booster for his staff?


c) The creation of a Socialist banners and flag room.


Or d) Turning his office into a chill-out zone?


So, Stewart Wood, what's the correct answer?


I would like to think it was alcohol in the office. I think it is the


chill out zone. It is indeed.


Turning his office into a chill-out zone, a kind of


But why did My Corbyn want to give up the Leader of the Opposition's


grand quarters and move into more humble surroundings?


And joining me now to discuss Mr Corbyn's grand office designs is


Is this a good bank? It is a very good thing for him. This morning, I


see he has got a snake on his destiny chart. So having a snake,


that is in charge of the environment so you can say he can smell a good


place. It's a snake at the then to have? -- is a snake a good thing to


have? For him, it is good. And it will help him to make a decision. He


said he felt like a prisoner in a cage. Yes. Snakes need a very nice


environment to develop and have the best. And because he has got a lot


of output in his chart, he is very much a people's man, working for


other people. He is very happy when he can do something for somebody


else. You know this office, did it seem like a gilded cage? I have been


there, it did not so much to me. It was more of a cage. It is stuck away


in the corner, you do not pass through it. You have to look for


people rather than getting people coming to you. It is a bit out of


the way. Does he have a room behind the Speaker's check? Yes, that is


very old panelled and not a good place to work. -- a panel. That is


the old room? That has got Ed Miliband. What do you make when you


see that room? Does it need feng shui? It is very difficult to say


because it is just a room. But I looked at the environment of the


area where he moved to. It is very nice, the area. I have disabled the


environment is according to how he is. Number 10, this is where he


would have been, Ed Miliband. We do not have that. One Labour source


says the old office has been turned into, a company university style


common room where we can relax and brainstorm. As a former university


lecturer, I would be very much opposed to that! I thought you would


like it. It has a lot of comfortable sofas. And I understand he has moved


to the office Ed Balls had and George Osborne previously used a lot


so I would like to know George Osborne's destiny chart! When you


feng shui something, it is not just the room, it is the environment


around it? That is right, I begin with the environment. And then we


move on to the internals. Now we are looking at it. This is not a very


good position. This is the office of the Prime Minister. It does not look


like that. A bottle of wine in the background! He is backing the door.


He should face the door. In order to be in control. That is the double


door to the Cabinet room and there is a door in front of him. They


always use the Cabinet room. That is right. We are going to tell the


Prime Minister he needs to feng shui it.


Coming up in a moment, it's our regular look at what's been


For now, it's time to say goodbye to my guest of the day, Stewart Wood.


So for the next half an hour, we're going to be focussing on Europe.


We'll be discussing the migrant crisis,


the end of mobile roaming charges across the EU, and the fall-out


First though, here's our guide to the latest


The European refugee crisis continues, with more than 85,000


migrants crossing into Slovenia in the last ten days.


Following an emergency mini-summit, the EU agreed to send 400 border


guards to help slow down the flow of refugees.


The right-wing Law and Justice party came out on top in Poland's general


election, celebrating the biggest victory by a single since Poland


Following the Volkswagen scandal, the EU has adopted tougher


emissions tests for cars, though Green politicians say


the rules don't go far enough and are considering a legal challenge.


Meanwhile, David Cameron attended a Northern Future forum in Iceland,


where he found time to warn Eurosceptics that copying Norway,


And some good news for your phone bill.


The European Parliament has voted to scrap mobile roaming charges,


meaning a phone call in the UK will cross cost the same across Europe.


So no excuse for not calling your mum when you're on holiday.


And with us for the next 30 minutes, I've been joined by the


Labour MEP Mary Honeyball, and by UKIP's deputy leader Paul Nuttall.


Let's take a look at one of those stories in more detail, the vote


For years, we have complained about the astronomical cost of using your


phone in Europe. Now something has been done about it. This must be


welcomed? Very much so. It has taken a long time. Yes, I was on the


committee when this was first introduced. That was six or seven


years ago and it had been considered for some time before then. We


finally got it through. Roaming charges will be abolished altogether


in 2017 so people can go to the EU and they will not pay an additional


charge. The cost of using it there would be the same as here?


Absolutely, this has to be a good then. It is great for MEPs and


jetsetters and businessman who travel regularly in Europe. What


about holiday-makers? We have no guarantee companies will not push


the cost onto the domestic user and three have said they would do. The


roaming coalition that represents a group of mobile phone providers have


said they might do it. So a pensioner could be subsidising MEPs


and business people, wealthy people who travel regularly across Europe.


And the people who will not benefit if it goes onto domestic users will


be people who go to to the Algarve for a week because that will be


offset against their domestic bill. This is absolutely not true. In the


report from the European Parliament, there is a mechanism whereby if


roaming charges do increase, the national regulators can deal with


it. They can put it right. So this... I would have thought Ukip


would be pleased because this pushes it back to each individual member


state to make that decision. I am terribly surprised at Ukip's


attitude. Everybody has wanted this to happen. Everyone who travels


regularly across Europe. I am surprised at you being a Labour MEP


not standing for working class people in this country. In 2007, I


was there, they said there was no guaranteed they will not push this


on to the domestic user. The national regulator. That happening,


it has the power to do so. Will they, really? Europe has finally


done something the consumer will like! Is that which you are not


happy? This is hard nosed business, they will not lose money. They will


get it back I pushing it on to poor people. You are just angry is


because -- you are just angry because the European Union has done


something that voters will understand and benefit from. I am


angry because it could be pushed onto poor domestic people and I am


standing up for working class people. Ukip has got this totally


wrong. Time will tell! Punishing your own voters.


European Union leaders have again been discussing how to respond to


the huge numbers of migrants arriving at the EU's borders


This week, the EU Commission President,


Jean Claude Juncker, warned the EU is running out of money to handle


the crisis, and called on national governments to dig deeper.


And the crisis is putting relations between EU countries under strain.


In Germany, the Interior Minister has said


Austria should stop waving asylum seekers through to Germany and start


Jo Coburn reports from the German/Austrian border.


They have come from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq,


ending up at this holding point on the Austrian border.


Local volunteers call out numbers on the different coloured


wristbands given to everyone before they pass through.


Now it's the turn of Salma and her family.


Their delight and relief is all too obvious.


They fled Syria a month ago and have finally made it to Germany.


They are just a few of nearly 80,000 people who have crossed into the


It has become a front line in this European migrant crisis,


with tensions mounting between German and Austrian


Migrants arriving at Salzburg train station are looked


after in this underground car park, but they are not registered here.


It's just a staging post for a few days at most.


Today, I've talked with one woman who wants


But if you talk with other refugees, they only have Germany as


That is because of the German Chancellor Angela Merkel's


bold policy to welcome all Syrian refugees.


The reality on the ground, for a small-town like Freilassing,


is that everyday life has been turned upside down.


Naturally, the borders are being controlled.


There are queues and people feel they are not


The Mayor has voiced his concerns directly to Angela Merkel


She told him she was working tirelessly to find a solution.


As the political pressure mounts, the response locally has been


This furniture warehouse has been turned into a temporary shelter run


by volunteers, state police and local government.


Salma and her family would have spent just a matter


of hours here before being moved on to a local train station, with


1,200 other people, and transported to other cities across Germany.


All the people here now have just arrived a few hours ago.


How does it feel to be safe here in Germany?


The German people have treated you well?


It is a huge logistical operation and the strain on local and national


Our capacity is limited, although we do have officials and volunteers


Basically, we are ready to help but in the last few weeks,


The flow of people shows no sign of slowing down.


As they move on to their final destination,


elsewhere in Germany, the impact of this mass migration will be felt


The scale of the migrant crisis, refugee crisis, asylum seeker


crisis, it seems so far to be beyond Europe's ability to resolve. It is


very, very difficult. They are refugees, of course. The majority of


those coming to Europe are fleeing from Syria, most of them. They are


refugees. They are not safe. Can we tell the difference now? What we


need to see, this is a humanitarian crisis. There is serious war going


on in Syria, people are fleeing because they are not safe. People do


not give up their homes and the livelihood and go across dangerous


seas for no reason. Whatever we call it, let's not get hung up on it, it


is a human Terry and crisis. The question is, Europe seems nowhere


near working out how to resolve it -- you manage Terry on. It has been


a huge strain on Europe and we have two admit that. Germany alone, in


the last five months, there have been 120,000 refugees just from


Syria, it is a massive things going on here. What should the solution


be? What should the European response be?


more of an agreement to share them round a bit, because it is just, it


is just not working very well, although Germany, your clip was


interesting, has welcomed a lot of these refugees and is doing by the


sounds of it a very good job. It is causing Angela Merkel some real


problems now. I will come back to that. Surely if Europe is to cope


with this it is a massive influx. It isn't going to go away. The burden,


the problem has to be shared. It does but it shouldn't be shared


across Europe, it should be shared across the Arab world as well. You


look at the rich Gulf state, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, they are doing


nothing to help them. They are not taking anybody in. They are not


going there. They don't want to go there. If you were a secular Syrian


out of Damascus, why would you want to go to Saudi Arabia Euro start


said that between April and June this year, 80% of the people who


were coming weren't coming from Syria. That was the ones coming out


of Libya. The coming out of Turkey, which is where most of them are


coming in to Greece, are overwhelmingly Syrian, so why should


they not be shared round? Actually, the German authorities are saying


that one this three who turn up, with a Syrian passport in Germany,


it turns out to be fake. Fake. They are on the Turkish black market.


When you say you have ayes flooding our continent with Islamists, don't


you think we would do something about this. I think that is undually


alarmist. It is bordering on being ridiculous.? Ridiculous? OK. This is


a humanitarian issue. Some of them very very few may be terrorists.


Obviously, we need to take action to deal with that, but most of them are


ordinary people, who are fleeing from a country where they are not


safe. Mostly men. Nobody braves what they have gone through to leave


somewhere unless they have a good reason, an overwhelming reason. The


majority are not coming from Syria, they are mostly young men. The


German employment agency say there will be 400,000 new welfare


claimants because 80% are unqualified and unskilled. Can I ask


you a broader question about this. This is developing into the European


Unions biggest ever crisis. It is much bigger than the eurozone,


because that only affected the eurozone n is affecting all of


Europe, in the end the eurozone crisis came down to Greece, a very


small part. We have had Donald tusk, the President of the European


council. Jean-Claude Juncker, the President of the Commission, and the


head of form -- foreign policy, saying this is an existential crisis


for Europe. Europe they have all said, may not survive this.


Obviously, there is massive concern, and the fact that all three of the


institutions, the heads are saying this, means we do need to deal with


it. You are not. The point is, Andrew, that often it is existential


crises seem to happen to the EU. The yuers, there have been ones before.


Europe does have an ability to get through this. I think this is a


massive crisis and it's a crisis not only for Europe but for the Middle


East as well. Well we will stick with the European crisis, we will


narrow into one country. Now, on Tuesday, the UKIP leader


Nigel Farage got to his feet in the European Parliament to denounce


the decision of Portugal's President to invite the leader of the


right-of-centre party to attempt to form a government, despite the fact


that the country's left-wing parties won a majority of seats in their


general election in early October. This is


the modern day implementation This is exactly what happened to


states living inside the USSR. What has been made clear here,


with Greece, and indeed with Portugal, is that a


country only has democratic rights Nigel Farage speaking in


the European Parliament on Tuesday. We asked our reporter, Ellie Price,


to swat up on the Portuguese Is Ellie, talk us through what


happened, the biggest party was the centre-right party, which had been


in Government but it didn't have enough to form an overall majority,


so what did the President, who is the head of state, what happened?


Well, let me prove do you I have done my homework and read up on the


constitution. I found the right bit. In order for the President to choose


a Prime Minister, he must consult the parties with seats in the


assembly and make his decision in light of the electoral results so


let us take it back a notch. On 4th October there was an election in


Portugal. The centrist right incumbent Prime Minister was the


largest party but lost his majority in the Parliament. The President


duly announced he would be picked as the Prime Minister, and would run a


minority Government. So far so simple, but here are the


complicating factor, first up, we have the reason that the President


gave for appointing the centrist right pairty. He appeared to be


suggesting he didn't like the policy sofs the other left-wing party, he


he thought it sounded like he was saying they were too anti-Europe and


too anti-austerity. He is reported to have said in 40 years of


democracy no Government in Portugal has depenned on the support of


anti-European forces. And this is the worse moment for a radical


change to the foundations of our democracy.


That brings us on neatly to complicating factor number two.


Previously, there hasn't been a viable left-wing coalition that


would be able to go up against the centrist right. Now it would seem


that the Portuguese socialists led by Antonio Costa has managed to form


an alliance with the left bloc and the Communists to come up with a


coalition of moderate left and far left, and what they are suggesting,


that, that combined a they would be far bigger than the incumbent Prime


Minister. What they have said they will do in the next few days is put


up a vote of no confidence, which would bring down that minority


Government, and then we would expect the Prime Minister to have to then


appoint the left-wing Prime Minister.


All right. Thank you very much for that. Interesting explanation. What


does this have to do with the Berezovsky never doctrine? Are there


tanks on the street? No it says, doesn't it you can have a veneer of


democracy as long as you agree socialism as it was back then. This


has been turned on its head. Brussels doesn't have its mitts on


this but I will say, it does follow a pattern. What is... Let me finish.


Berlusconi for example. I am talking about Portugal. It is widely example


that the President's speech was ill-judged. But constitutionally, he


is perfectly within his rights, to ask the largest party, which is the


centre-right party to form a government. It is also quite clear


that if it tries to form a government, there will be an


immediate vote of confidence, it will probably lose that vote of


confidence, and the President has indicated he will then ask the


centre-left party to try to form a government, and the centre-left


party will ask the Portuguese Communist and another left-wing


party to give them an overall majority. That will happen within


two week, where are the tanks in this? There doesn't have to be tanks


for the doctrine. You are from forking to Czechoslovakia. We are


talking about and overall trend. It happened in Italy and Greece. I am


trying to stick with Portugal for the moment. Also what you are going


to get is the Portuguese President having done this, will then resign,


his final act will be to put in power a centre-left Government that


is, two of whose parties are opposed to European austerity. I am trying


to work out. I know on twister there has been a massive storm about this,


probably encouraged by Mr Farage and yourself, and I accept the


President's speech was ill-judged. But in the end, the Portuguese are


going to get the kind of Government that the centre-left party wants.


51% of people voted for the left, shall we say. The centre-left and


far left. I hope in the end they get their Government, but equally I will


continue to say, there is a trend here of, of a lack of democracy in


Europe, whether it is making... I wanted to speak because they have


been making the running. We have a tank watch going in Lisbon. If they


appear... It happened before in Portugal. It isn't the only country


to have On Sunday, the people of Poland


voted in their general election and voted in the right-of-centre Law


and Justice party, European allies For the latest


in our Meet the Neighbours series, Adam Fleming has been to Gdansk,


on Poland's north coast. The Poles have just gone to


the polls, so I've come to the place where an electrician first


sparked democracy in this country. This is the famous shipyard


Gate Number Two where, 35 years ago, Lech Walesa came out and announced


that the Polish authorities were The first independent trade union


in the Soviet bloc. It eventually led to


the first free elections in 1989. A corner


of the shipyard is now a giant museum dedicated to solidarity,


the movement and the idea. You can see the van Lech Walesa


climbed on to make speeches, and check out plenty


of retro interior design. Or why not recreate


the talks to form But the centre's boss is worried


that solidarity is something that We are becoming Euro critical,


but we are not Great Britain. We don't have your wealth,


your strong political position, and we are located


in a very special place in Europe. He's worried


because the Eurosceptics Law and Justice have just become the first


party to form a majority government Beata Szydlo is the new


Prime Minister, though real power lies with Jaroslaw


Kaczynski, who ran the country with his twin brother when the party was


last in power a decade ago. Their candidates were anti the euro,


suspicious of immigrants, Law and Justice have quite big


election posters, don't they? To find out the secret


of their success, I met Filip, Teach me how to say the name


in Polish. I think I'll just stick with Law


and Justice. We joined the European Union,


we've had many possibilities. We've had many people who have


wanted to create the ideas, the innovation system, who have wanted


to make their companies there. And because


of the economical situation, the taxation policy of the Polish


government, they decided to leave. And Filip's party is planning


to be fairly tough on the EU. We have many,


many problems with our economical For example,


our ship companies were destroyed by Moreover, I think that Law and


Justice will want to make an ally with Great Britain to stop the lead


of Germany in the European Union. Although the view here is that David


Cameron's plan to restrict benefits for the 700,000 Poles working


in the UK is, er, a bit cheeky. Back at the Solidarity Centre,


you're supposed to write something But what message is Poland now


sending to the rest of Europe? We have had a Marxist Government


elected in Greece, we have got, we are going to have I suspect a


Portuguese Government of the left, we have a right-wing Government now


in Poland, we have a right-wing government, not a centre-right


Government in Denmark, we have the Swedish Democrats holding the


balance of power in Sweden, I would suggest the mainstream is crumbling


in Europe I am not sure it is crumbling but I think the mainstream


has challenges. The Polish result is interesting, I have talked to Polish


colleagues about the result, there seems to be a generational issue


here, in that the older people have had, they are still in the housing


they had under Communism and they are reTilly well-off, whereas the


young people aren't. I will have to stop you there.


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