30/10/2015 Daily Politics

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Ahead of world climate change talks in Paris next month, the UN issues

A major step forward, but not enough to meet keep global temperature

As thousands of people continue to try to cross into EU countries,

JoCo visits the frontline to see how countries are are coping.

It's become a key frontline in the crisis.

Up to 12,000 migrants have crossed this bridge every day

Earlier this week, he signed an agreement to give Scottish Labour

more autonomy and, today, Jeremy Corbyn addresses their conference.

We'll look at the scale of Labour's electoral challenge.

And was Nigel Farage right to compare the fall-out from Portugal's

recent elections with Soviet-era military interventions?

The Labour bigwig Stewart Wood who was, until May, a key Ed Miliband

lieutenant, who was at the former Labour leader's side

Let's kick off though with yesterday's House of Commons debate

on tax credits, which was tabled by the Labour MP Frank Field.

Breaking news, the last British resident to be held in Guantanamo

Bay has been released. Saudi national six Micro had been held in

military prison in Cuba since 2002 -- Shaker Ahmer. He has never been

charged or put on trial. 13 years, never been charged and he is finally

getting out. Rubber blade because they are bringing down Guantanamo

Bay. Perhaps this, perhaps, this is good news. He has children and one

of them he has never seen. I will be interesting to hear the plan for

when he comes back, whether he will be arrested. No indication they will

do that yet. They may still keep an eye on him. I expect one reason it

has taken so long is it sets a President for the 140 people left in

Guantanamo Bay which the American Congress and public opinion may have

mixed feelings about so that may have got in the way. This is

excellent news. Barack Obama wanted to close it down and he campaigned

in 2008. He is almost at the end of his second term now and it is still

that! In the first year, the American military blocked it in

Congress but hopefully this is the beginning of something more

permanent. He is coming back by chartered jet. Good for him. Into

London. He will not be met by his family, it will be warriors and

there will be a family reunion afterwards. We will follow that.

What major change is Jeremy Corbyn reported to have ordered

in the last week as a morale boaster for his staff?

c) The creation of Socialist banners and a flag room.

Or d) Turning his office into a chill-out zone?

And Stewart will hopefully give us the correct answer a little later

A report on climate change says the current proposals do not go far

enough to prevent audible temperatures rising by more than 2

degrees. The report says that

the current proposals do not go far enough to prevent global

temperatures from rising by more than two degrees, but they believe

the target is still within reach. Representatives from 196 countries

will gather in Paris at the end of November, with the aim of reaching a

legally-binding deal to cut carbon If a deal is reached,

a new global climate change treaty will come into effect in 2020

when the current commitments The last time the world came

together to discuss climate change, in Copenhagen in 2009,

the talks were branded chaotic. Leaders failed to reach

a legally binding deal, leaving the world on a pathway for

temperature rises of 3C and above. This time, the UN hopes that

the presence of world leaders on the first day of the summit will

spur on the negotiations. The UN say they are confident that

a deal will be reached, but expect that it will fall short

of the two degrees goal. Scientists have warned that even if

temperature rises are limited to two degrees, sea levels could still rise

by as much as six metres above their We can talk now to the BBC's

science editor, David Shukman. What do you make of the UN's

assessment? On the one hand, it is an amazing achievement that so many

countries had decided they will take part in this process. You mentioned

the Copenhagen summit in December 2009, I was there and it was a

dysfunctional event that ultimately led to failure. There was an attempt

to foist carbon reduction targets on different countries and they were

not willing to play ball. This completely new approach, bottom-up,

not top-down of inviting countries to create their own carbon reduction

plans and their own pledges, it in the jargon, the nationally

determined contributions, it has turned out well for the UN. There

was no guarantee anybody would play ball but we have 146 countries to

the beginning of this month and another ten in the last couple of

weeks, covering 86% of global emissions. Whatever happens next, in

a sense, there is an amazing vote of faith by these countries in the

process itself. It remains to be seen who keeps to their promises and

what they amount to. What is the minimum that has to happen in Paris

for it to be regarded broadly as a success? I think you need these

different pledges to be enshrined in legal text. That is a starting point

for many countries. And then there is a host of issues that will be

extremely difficult but do need to be sorted. For example, at the

moment, those pledges add up to emissions over the next 15, 20 years

that could keep the rising temperatures to below three degrees.

That is hailed as a success by the UN. What counts is what happens

after 2030, when this period runs out. Will there be a tough review

mechanism? Will everybody be under some kind Russia every five years

also to beef up their targets and do more? -- pressure. That is one big

area in Paris. The other is finance. Some of these pledges, notably India

and other developing countries, they have said they will cut emissions

but you, the rich world, you will help to pay for it. And there are

big price per -- and there are big price tags attached so no guarantee

the money will flow in that direction so no guaranteed they will

do what they say is feasible. Lots to sort out in Paris and I think

that is why tension is mounting in the run-up to that event because

nobody is totally sure how that will play out.

Thank you very much for mocking our cards today!

We've been joined by the former Conservative energy minister,

Greg Barker, who is now in the Lords and chairs the London Sustainable

Development Commission, and by UKIP's deputy leader, Paul Nuttall.

Welcome, both. Are you confident Paris will be more of a success than

Copenhagen? I think that is without a doubt. Copenhagen was not on any

terms a success. Not many people could have expected a couple of

years ago we would be a session to make progress in Paris. The reason

is the cost of Green energy has, tumbling down and we have had big

advances in technology and large economies can reduce a Kobane

emissions while still growing. The transition to a low carbon economy

in 2010 was a pipe dream. A hypothesis. Now it is happening and

in an affordable way. We need an ambitious deal in Paris. Still a

long way to go but things are looking more encouraging than they

did 12 months ago. On current projections, emissions will be 22%

higher in 2013 and in 2010. Globally, they will go up. But the

big news is that China, the world's largest emitter, will peak emissions

by 2030. That was almost thinkable in 2009 in Copenhagen. You have the

big developing economies who will dominate the economy of the

21st-century accepting they are part of the solution. And you do not have

this finger-pointing jihad in Copenhagen, it was all left to

Europe and the US -- that you had in Copenhagen. Everybody has a common

responsibility. And the UK plays a disproportionately important role in

these talks. We have the world's best climate because she tours who

get very little credit. -- best climate providers. What do you want

to happen in Paris? I would like to see a level playing field for the

British. At the moment, what happens at these climate change conferences

is Europe goes on ahead and they attempt to meet the targets and the

growing economies in China, India for example take no notice. As an

example, we are talking about the Chinese saying emissions will peak

at 2030, but to my office said the Chinese population will peak at 2030

and emissions generally get driven by population. That is mean minded.

Anybody who looks thoughtfully at this realises China's commitment and

I's engagement and clean energy and solar energy... -- India. The

Indians emit a 10th of the emissions of the US and these large economies

will grow and it is rightly should do so. It is not holding people down

in poverty. We have to have economic growth and do that in a clean way.

It also represents a huge opportunity for British business as

we have the best games and technology and firms who will make a

lot of money out of this low carbon transmission. Nearly all the

technology for wind power has been imported. Wind power is one example.

Across-the-board, looking at the value of the low carbon sector...

The Chinese lead on solar powers. The Europeans, Denmark, Germany,

they read on wind power. Where do we read? And a range of subgroups

within that. We are not a big heavy manufacturer in that way but in

terms of light materials and energy efficiency technology and a number

of applications, and in finance, more money was raised from London to

finance the global economy than any other centre. Your government has

just closed the Greenbank. The Green investment bank is a huge success

story. It has been privatised as a result. It is about ?6 billion now.

Of taxpayers' money. Not sure that is privatisation, never mind! It is

going to attract private investment and it will live at that investment.

So millions of pounds. Is it not time for Britain to recognise if it

is to cut carbon emissions, the economy has to change? There have

been still making losses of jobs in the North, probably more, is that an

inevitable changing of the balance of power in the world economy and

that is not what we do any more? The problem is energy prices. Energy

prices here they are three times of France and the most expensive in the

EU and the world. And the problem is it is what... Hold on. Energy prices

are the most expensive. The most expensive in the EU, 3 times of

France. The problem we have got is that companies move from Britain to

the cheap economies in China and so on and we get left behind. When

steel production is moved, CO2 production is not cut. It simply

moves to somewhere where they will be less monitored than in the UK.

Yes, so you have to be sensible and not disproportionately penalised

industry. We need to do more to ensure they maintain a competitive

advantage. Clean electricity, wind power and solar power is driving

down the cost of electricity in the UK because costs have come down so

much. That has not been reflected in wholesale prices, in the retail

prices to domestic or industrial users.

It is about 4.5 pence in France. It is half. Why is it is so much in

Britain? Because we disproportionately load energy taxes

and levies on to industry rather than consumers. You do that? It has

been the case that we have, we have put less on consumers and more on

industry. In Germany it is the other way round, consumers pay more than

we do here in the UK. But ultimately you are looking at it is wrong way.

We need to look at making it cheaper by using less, energy efficiency has

more potential in this country. We with drive down bills by helping

them use less in the home. I am led to believe that green levies are

putting round ?70 on household bills. So we are subsidising these

wind farms which make rich people richer and poor people poorer. It is

not sustainable or fair. What is your view Stewart Wood? There is

cause for optimism. I was at Copenhagen with Gordon Brown's team.

Was it as much of a shambles as people say? There wasn't this

process David Shuckman talks about. The US and China had different

pressures not do a deal, dropping countries were resentful. --

developing. Didn't the President leave early because there was a snow

storm coming in? I remember it was cold and snowy. In the process, the,

it has been better. I don't want to make a cheap point but I will make a

small one. We are famous for them. I think Gordon Brown and David Cameron

in a rare moment of team work, have been supportive of this agenda of

providing funds for developing countries to buy them into a global

deal. On the domestic front Amber Rudd didn't mention Paris in her

speech. The secretary for climate change didn't mention this. There

has been a huge cut in subsidies to the renewable energies... She was

very punchy on Paris. Why are you cutting subsidies? The cost of

technology is getting cheaper. It is a huge success. Why have you

withdrawn supports for zero carbon homes? Every single investment,

seems to be going against the renewables and clean energy agenda.

We have had unprecedented investment in clean energy under David Cameron.

The UK has become a world leader in offshore wind. We is the most

expensive form of energy. The cost is coming down. We keep on being

told. The cost of clean energy is coming down. Why o do all these

companies scream if you take the subsidies away they won't do it. I

cut the tariffs for solar in 2011. We had a massive expansion. The

question is getting the right balance. We are squeezed of time.

There will be lots of more of this. This afternoon, Jeremy Corbyn will

address the Scottish Labour He's expected to say

his party is now the socialist But after Labour's devastating

wipe-out north of the border in the general election,

can he hope to claw back support We'll discuss this

in a moment with Stewart Wood. The Labour Party has agonised over

why, when Ed Miliband went to vote in this year's general election it

didn't start a day that would end in Downing Street.

The electorate and press have said what they thought the problem was,

but the story internally is more complicated and surprising.

That the public had something of a problem with the man himself was no

secret to his circle but despite his slight awkwardness and that

troublesome breakfast, something he was advised not to do beforehand, he

could still joke about it, If she is looking for a new challenge she

should try wrestling a bacon sandwich, live on national

television. And many voters had settled on their view of Ed as a

person years before. Not everyone was negative. What seemed more of a

problem was they new they appeared anti-business. In fact it wasn't

something the internal polling was saying hurt them much. No

economically, it was handling the past to prove they could handle the

future that was devastating. Do you accept that when Labour was last in

power, it overspent? No, I don't. I know you may no agree with that, but

let me say very clearly. Even with all the borrowing. That simple

answer to a simple question was not the one he had rehearsed with his

team and was the one they knew the public responded least well too.

Given what he forgot to say about the deficit in his final conference

speech, that polled very well when actually revealed to focus groups,

this amounted to a terrible double own goal. But there was another

problem. The truth is that no one party looks likely to win an

outright majority at this election. We will need to build bridges

between the different parties if we are to deliver. Is Such an idea was

giving the confident the idea to warn. And the Labour team had been

divided on how to fight that. Jim Murphy always a little to Ed's

right. Five steps to the left... Argued all options should be

acknowledged. Douglas Alexander the strategist wanted a firm message

from the outset. Let me be plain. We are not going to do a deal. Days lay

later in Scotland and we know and hindsight is easy politics, the

infamous Ed stone became an electoral headstone.

Stewart Wood is still with me - he was Shadow Minister without

Portfolio, and a key adviser to Ed Miliband until May this year.

And we've been joined by the BBC political correspondent Iain Watson,

whose recent book, Five Million Conversations, analyses what went

When you look back now, on broad brush, what is have you concluded

was the reason you lost? I mean, I don't want to get too complicated.

One is in the short-term for those five years we didn't do enough to

reassure people their taxes were safe in our hands. I think there was

an economic credibility issue, we were aware of it going in, we

thought the economic argument pointed towards different stance,

perhaps to the way the political constraints we faced pointed and let

us be honest we didn't resolve that satisfactorily. Some people have

problems with Ed and the leadership. Let us be honest about that too. In

the last few week, the Scottish issue reared its head. It was always

pretty devastating prospect north of the border. Its appearance south of

the border... The English fear of Miliband, sturgeon, some

combination? Yes, trustability on spending, combined with fears, this

is the Conservative's term not mine but blackmailing a minority Labour

Government. The sense of Labour weakness on spending, with

ScottishPower over us, Scottish National Party power. That is my

sense. That is interesting, there was a generic reason and the

campaign reason that came in. What did you find? A whole range of

thing, the reason it is called Five Million Conversations Ed Miliband

declared he had won the ground war. He said we have had five million

conversations and this will go to the wire. A spoiler alert is it did

not go to wire, why did it not? Stewart has gone through the

political failure, there is organisational failures as well.

Labour spent a huge amount. 18 million on its field operation, but

largely they hadn't changed the way of thinking. We they were trying to

pull out the Labour vote in the traditional way but there was no

Plan B when they found out that the Labour vote was evaporating. One

minister said it was like talking through an glass partition. We

didn't know how to report back, when people said we don't know, they were

blind sided. Also they were under informed about how badly they were

doing, so for example, the Conservatives private polling was

suggesting they would get in excess of 300 seats. Labour were working on

a scenario they would never get more than 290 seats. There was a gap,

they didn't know when things were going wrong. When did it dawn on you

you were going to lose? My view going into the last few days, in a

way the campaign was in terms of popular opinion, it felt when you

were in the bus on the campaign you were in the same position as at the

beginning, very close, neck and neck, my personal view was it would

be a hung parliament with the Tories ahead. I thought that would be

difficult for us to be in power. That is my own personal view. But

the scale of the defeat was a surprise to me at one minute past

ten when the Exit Poll came out. It is true that Mr Miliband thought the

Exit Poll was a rogue? I think because it was so at odds with all

the other information we had been getting and all of you had been get,

it was true when we were in to be caster and the poll came out, our

initial thought was this doesn't sound right. It proved on the wrong.

It was pretty much right. Scotland, the Scottish Labour Party

meeting at the moment, almost a Total wipe-out of the party north of

the border. If you you don't get some kind of come back in Scotland,

the mountain you have to climb to win the next election is huge. Sure.

In England. You are a hundred seats behind. You need a 12% swing. It is

hard to see the makings of a come back in Scotland Well, it is very

difficult to see us coming back in the next five years because there is

a mountain to climb. I accept the scale of the challenge, you are

right about that. I don't quite accept the idea what you need do in

Scotland is different to the rest of the country. I wasn't implying that,

you need to recoup a lot of ground in Scotland, otherwise you have to

do so well in England that it is Mission Impossible. I agree. At the

moment we are facing a Scottish National Party that has this

extraordinary position of being an incumbent, that is difficult to

fight again for any party. Look, I think what Jeremy is trying to do in

Scotland today and more broadly is bring a mission back to the public's

peresubpoenaion of what Labour is about. That is what we have to do

whether we are losing voters to the Ukip or the SNP or others. It is

nowhere near the end of the story. You have to branch out from a

mission that will galvanise your voter, but that is the first

challenge. He seems to think in Scotland it's a race to be left,

talking about the socialist alternative there to the SNP. In

other words we, Labour, Mr Wore bin -- Corbyn is a going to say is going

to be more left-wing than the SNP. If you look at how the Scottish

Government behaves it is a centrist. Moderately centre-left or

centre-right Government. You are right. They have these symbols of

the left-wing credential, anti-Trident and the like. But they

have almost have a Blairite big tent. One of the interesting things

in the book, on the eve of Hallowe'en it is more shocking for

Labour supporters than Stewart is suggesting. One is if Jeremy Corbyn

comes off this austerity agenda the polling is showing that the SNP were

trusted, trusted to spend more than Labour, but also to spend it more

wisely than labour, so that isn't a solution. The second thing is a huge

change in attitudes. When I covered the first Scottish Parliament

elections Labour did very well with a slogan, divorce is an expensive

business. They tried a similar tactic during the election. They

said there will be an 8 billion hole in the budget. They tested that in

the focus groups, and it said, that that attack voters thought was

entirely credible, yet not particularly scary, one person in

the group summed up the whole thing by saying divorce costs you money.

So the attitude changes from it being an expensive business to a

price worth paying. That will be difficult for for an English based

leader to pull back before next year's Scottish elections.

What would you advice the, if I can call them the moderates in the

Labour Party, those in the centre and what we used to talk of as the

right. What should there strategy be over the next five years. One of the

characteristics the of Jeremy's leadership, he will be encouraging

people to be in the business of idea, new thinking. It is clear, you

have new groups sprouting up inside the Labour fold. At lot are worried

about the appointment of Andrew Fisher, Seamus Mill and momentum,

this new grass movement they fear is going to sweep them up. What has Mr

Corbyn done to reach out to the parts of the party who are

frightened of him? We have heard that is a sustainability cabinet.

That for a little while He has a job as head of comes. He said that on

perish today. Look, I think for the Jeremy Corbyn knows that the

Parliamentary Labour Party will take time to be reconciled to his

leadership. This is time to be doing some fundamental thinking. It is not

just the Labour Party that is left party in trouble. It is one of many

across the developed world of in serious trouble. And if ever there

was a time for fundamental thinking and genuine debate, this is it. And

Jeremy Corbyn I think is someone who has shown already he is committed to

it and he is going to let different parts of the Labour Party have

different answers. We will leave it there.

I have had about 4 million conversations! About tax credits!

It's time now to find out the answer to our quiz.

What major change is Jeremy Corbyn reported to have ordered

in the last week as a morale-booster for his staff?

c) The creation of a Socialist banners and flag room.

Or d) Turning his office into a chill-out zone?

So, Stewart Wood, what's the correct answer?

I would like to think it was alcohol in the office. I think it is the

chill out zone. It is indeed.

Turning his office into a chill-out zone, a kind of

But why did My Corbyn want to give up the Leader of the Opposition's

grand quarters and move into more humble surroundings?

And joining me now to discuss Mr Corbyn's grand office designs is

Is this a good bank? It is a very good thing for him. This morning, I

see he has got a snake on his destiny chart. So having a snake,

that is in charge of the environment so you can say he can smell a good

place. It's a snake at the then to have? -- is a snake a good thing to

have? For him, it is good. And it will help him to make a decision. He

said he felt like a prisoner in a cage. Yes. Snakes need a very nice

environment to develop and have the best. And because he has got a lot

of output in his chart, he is very much a people's man, working for

other people. He is very happy when he can do something for somebody

else. You know this office, did it seem like a gilded cage? I have been

there, it did not so much to me. It was more of a cage. It is stuck away

in the corner, you do not pass through it. You have to look for

people rather than getting people coming to you. It is a bit out of

the way. Does he have a room behind the Speaker's check? Yes, that is

very old panelled and not a good place to work. -- a panel. That is

the old room? That has got Ed Miliband. What do you make when you

see that room? Does it need feng shui? It is very difficult to say

because it is just a room. But I looked at the environment of the

area where he moved to. It is very nice, the area. I have disabled the

environment is according to how he is. Number 10, this is where he

would have been, Ed Miliband. We do not have that. One Labour source

says the old office has been turned into, a company university style

common room where we can relax and brainstorm. As a former university

lecturer, I would be very much opposed to that! I thought you would

like it. It has a lot of comfortable sofas. And I understand he has moved

to the office Ed Balls had and George Osborne previously used a lot

so I would like to know George Osborne's destiny chart! When you

feng shui something, it is not just the room, it is the environment

around it? That is right, I begin with the environment. And then we

move on to the internals. Now we are looking at it. This is not a very

good position. This is the office of the Prime Minister. It does not look

like that. A bottle of wine in the background! He is backing the door.

He should face the door. In order to be in control. That is the double

door to the Cabinet room and there is a door in front of him. They

always use the Cabinet room. That is right. We are going to tell the

Prime Minister he needs to feng shui it.

Coming up in a moment, it's our regular look at what's been

For now, it's time to say goodbye to my guest of the day, Stewart Wood.

So for the next half an hour, we're going to be focussing on Europe.

We'll be discussing the migrant crisis,

the end of mobile roaming charges across the EU, and the fall-out

First though, here's our guide to the latest

The European refugee crisis continues, with more than 85,000

migrants crossing into Slovenia in the last ten days.

Following an emergency mini-summit, the EU agreed to send 400 border

guards to help slow down the flow of refugees.

The right-wing Law and Justice party came out on top in Poland's general

election, celebrating the biggest victory by a single since Poland

Following the Volkswagen scandal, the EU has adopted tougher

emissions tests for cars, though Green politicians say

the rules don't go far enough and are considering a legal challenge.

Meanwhile, David Cameron attended a Northern Future forum in Iceland,

where he found time to warn Eurosceptics that copying Norway,

And some good news for your phone bill.

The European Parliament has voted to scrap mobile roaming charges,

meaning a phone call in the UK will cross cost the same across Europe.

So no excuse for not calling your mum when you're on holiday.

And with us for the next 30 minutes, I've been joined by the

Labour MEP Mary Honeyball, and by UKIP's deputy leader Paul Nuttall.

Let's take a look at one of those stories in more detail, the vote

For years, we have complained about the astronomical cost of using your

phone in Europe. Now something has been done about it. This must be

welcomed? Very much so. It has taken a long time. Yes, I was on the

committee when this was first introduced. That was six or seven

years ago and it had been considered for some time before then. We

finally got it through. Roaming charges will be abolished altogether

in 2017 so people can go to the EU and they will not pay an additional

charge. The cost of using it there would be the same as here?

Absolutely, this has to be a good then. It is great for MEPs and

jetsetters and businessman who travel regularly in Europe. What

about holiday-makers? We have no guarantee companies will not push

the cost onto the domestic user and three have said they would do. The

roaming coalition that represents a group of mobile phone providers have

said they might do it. So a pensioner could be subsidising MEPs

and business people, wealthy people who travel regularly across Europe.

And the people who will not benefit if it goes onto domestic users will

be people who go to to the Algarve for a week because that will be

offset against their domestic bill. This is absolutely not true. In the

report from the European Parliament, there is a mechanism whereby if

roaming charges do increase, the national regulators can deal with

it. They can put it right. So this... I would have thought Ukip

would be pleased because this pushes it back to each individual member

state to make that decision. I am terribly surprised at Ukip's

attitude. Everybody has wanted this to happen. Everyone who travels

regularly across Europe. I am surprised at you being a Labour MEP

not standing for working class people in this country. In 2007, I

was there, they said there was no guaranteed they will not push this

on to the domestic user. The national regulator. That happening,

it has the power to do so. Will they, really? Europe has finally

done something the consumer will like! Is that which you are not

happy? This is hard nosed business, they will not lose money. They will

get it back I pushing it on to poor people. You are just angry is

because -- you are just angry because the European Union has done

something that voters will understand and benefit from. I am

angry because it could be pushed onto poor domestic people and I am

standing up for working class people. Ukip has got this totally

wrong. Time will tell! Punishing your own voters.

European Union leaders have again been discussing how to respond to

the huge numbers of migrants arriving at the EU's borders

This week, the EU Commission President,

Jean Claude Juncker, warned the EU is running out of money to handle

the crisis, and called on national governments to dig deeper.

And the crisis is putting relations between EU countries under strain.

In Germany, the Interior Minister has said

Austria should stop waving asylum seekers through to Germany and start

Jo Coburn reports from the German/Austrian border.

They have come from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq,

ending up at this holding point on the Austrian border.

Local volunteers call out numbers on the different coloured

wristbands given to everyone before they pass through.

Now it's the turn of Salma and her family.

Their delight and relief is all too obvious.

They fled Syria a month ago and have finally made it to Germany.

They are just a few of nearly 80,000 people who have crossed into the

It has become a front line in this European migrant crisis,

with tensions mounting between German and Austrian

Migrants arriving at Salzburg train station are looked

after in this underground car park, but they are not registered here.

It's just a staging post for a few days at most.

Today, I've talked with one woman who wants

But if you talk with other refugees, they only have Germany as

That is because of the German Chancellor Angela Merkel's

bold policy to welcome all Syrian refugees.

The reality on the ground, for a small-town like Freilassing,

is that everyday life has been turned upside down.

Naturally, the borders are being controlled.

There are queues and people feel they are not

The Mayor has voiced his concerns directly to Angela Merkel

She told him she was working tirelessly to find a solution.

As the political pressure mounts, the response locally has been

This furniture warehouse has been turned into a temporary shelter run

by volunteers, state police and local government.

Salma and her family would have spent just a matter

of hours here before being moved on to a local train station, with

1,200 other people, and transported to other cities across Germany.

All the people here now have just arrived a few hours ago.

How does it feel to be safe here in Germany?

The German people have treated you well?

It is a huge logistical operation and the strain on local and national

Our capacity is limited, although we do have officials and volunteers

Basically, we are ready to help but in the last few weeks,

The flow of people shows no sign of slowing down.

As they move on to their final destination,

elsewhere in Germany, the impact of this mass migration will be felt

The scale of the migrant crisis, refugee crisis, asylum seeker

crisis, it seems so far to be beyond Europe's ability to resolve. It is

very, very difficult. They are refugees, of course. The majority of

those coming to Europe are fleeing from Syria, most of them. They are

refugees. They are not safe. Can we tell the difference now? What we

need to see, this is a humanitarian crisis. There is serious war going

on in Syria, people are fleeing because they are not safe. People do

not give up their homes and the livelihood and go across dangerous

seas for no reason. Whatever we call it, let's not get hung up on it, it

is a human Terry and crisis. The question is, Europe seems nowhere

near working out how to resolve it -- you manage Terry on. It has been

a huge strain on Europe and we have two admit that. Germany alone, in

the last five months, there have been 120,000 refugees just from

Syria, it is a massive things going on here. What should the solution

be? What should the European response be?

more of an agreement to share them round a bit, because it is just, it

is just not working very well, although Germany, your clip was

interesting, has welcomed a lot of these refugees and is doing by the

sounds of it a very good job. It is causing Angela Merkel some real

problems now. I will come back to that. Surely if Europe is to cope

with this it is a massive influx. It isn't going to go away. The burden,

the problem has to be shared. It does but it shouldn't be shared

across Europe, it should be shared across the Arab world as well. You

look at the rich Gulf state, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, they are doing

nothing to help them. They are not taking anybody in. They are not

going there. They don't want to go there. If you were a secular Syrian

out of Damascus, why would you want to go to Saudi Arabia Euro start

said that between April and June this year, 80% of the people who

were coming weren't coming from Syria. That was the ones coming out

of Libya. The coming out of Turkey, which is where most of them are

coming in to Greece, are overwhelmingly Syrian, so why should

they not be shared round? Actually, the German authorities are saying

that one this three who turn up, with a Syrian passport in Germany,

it turns out to be fake. Fake. They are on the Turkish black market.

When you say you have ayes flooding our continent with Islamists, don't

you think we would do something about this. I think that is undually

alarmist. It is bordering on being ridiculous.? Ridiculous? OK. This is

a humanitarian issue. Some of them very very few may be terrorists.

Obviously, we need to take action to deal with that, but most of them are

ordinary people, who are fleeing from a country where they are not

safe. Mostly men. Nobody braves what they have gone through to leave

somewhere unless they have a good reason, an overwhelming reason. The

majority are not coming from Syria, they are mostly young men. The

German employment agency say there will be 400,000 new welfare

claimants because 80% are unqualified and unskilled. Can I ask

you a broader question about this. This is developing into the European

Unions biggest ever crisis. It is much bigger than the eurozone,

because that only affected the eurozone n is affecting all of

Europe, in the end the eurozone crisis came down to Greece, a very

small part. We have had Donald tusk, the President of the European

council. Jean-Claude Juncker, the President of the Commission, and the

head of form -- foreign policy, saying this is an existential crisis

for Europe. Europe they have all said, may not survive this.

Obviously, there is massive concern, and the fact that all three of the

institutions, the heads are saying this, means we do need to deal with

it. You are not. The point is, Andrew, that often it is existential

crises seem to happen to the EU. The yuers, there have been ones before.

Europe does have an ability to get through this. I think this is a

massive crisis and it's a crisis not only for Europe but for the Middle

East as well. Well we will stick with the European crisis, we will

narrow into one country. Now, on Tuesday, the UKIP leader

Nigel Farage got to his feet in the European Parliament to denounce

the decision of Portugal's President to invite the leader of the

right-of-centre party to attempt to form a government, despite the fact

that the country's left-wing parties won a majority of seats in their

general election in early October. This is

the modern day implementation This is exactly what happened to

states living inside the USSR. What has been made clear here,

with Greece, and indeed with Portugal, is that a

country only has democratic rights Nigel Farage speaking in

the European Parliament on Tuesday. We asked our reporter, Ellie Price,

to swat up on the Portuguese Is Ellie, talk us through what

happened, the biggest party was the centre-right party, which had been

in Government but it didn't have enough to form an overall majority,

so what did the President, who is the head of state, what happened?

Well, let me prove do you I have done my homework and read up on the

constitution. I found the right bit. In order for the President to choose

a Prime Minister, he must consult the parties with seats in the

assembly and make his decision in light of the electoral results so

let us take it back a notch. On 4th October there was an election in

Portugal. The centrist right incumbent Prime Minister was the

largest party but lost his majority in the Parliament. The President

duly announced he would be picked as the Prime Minister, and would run a

minority Government. So far so simple, but here are the

complicating factor, first up, we have the reason that the President

gave for appointing the centrist right pairty. He appeared to be

suggesting he didn't like the policy sofs the other left-wing party, he

he thought it sounded like he was saying they were too anti-Europe and

too anti-austerity. He is reported to have said in 40 years of

democracy no Government in Portugal has depenned on the support of

anti-European forces. And this is the worse moment for a radical

change to the foundations of our democracy.

That brings us on neatly to complicating factor number two.

Previously, there hasn't been a viable left-wing coalition that

would be able to go up against the centrist right. Now it would seem

that the Portuguese socialists led by Antonio Costa has managed to form

an alliance with the left bloc and the Communists to come up with a

coalition of moderate left and far left, and what they are suggesting,

that, that combined a they would be far bigger than the incumbent Prime

Minister. What they have said they will do in the next few days is put

up a vote of no confidence, which would bring down that minority

Government, and then we would expect the Prime Minister to have to then

appoint the left-wing Prime Minister.

All right. Thank you very much for that. Interesting explanation. What

does this have to do with the Berezovsky never doctrine? Are there

tanks on the street? No it says, doesn't it you can have a veneer of

democracy as long as you agree socialism as it was back then. This

has been turned on its head. Brussels doesn't have its mitts on

this but I will say, it does follow a pattern. What is... Let me finish.

Berlusconi for example. I am talking about Portugal. It is widely example

that the President's speech was ill-judged. But constitutionally, he

is perfectly within his rights, to ask the largest party, which is the

centre-right party to form a government. It is also quite clear

that if it tries to form a government, there will be an

immediate vote of confidence, it will probably lose that vote of

confidence, and the President has indicated he will then ask the

centre-left party to try to form a government, and the centre-left

party will ask the Portuguese Communist and another left-wing

party to give them an overall majority. That will happen within

two week, where are the tanks in this? There doesn't have to be tanks

for the doctrine. You are from forking to Czechoslovakia. We are

talking about and overall trend. It happened in Italy and Greece. I am

trying to stick with Portugal for the moment. Also what you are going

to get is the Portuguese President having done this, will then resign,

his final act will be to put in power a centre-left Government that

is, two of whose parties are opposed to European austerity. I am trying

to work out. I know on twister there has been a massive storm about this,

probably encouraged by Mr Farage and yourself, and I accept the

President's speech was ill-judged. But in the end, the Portuguese are

going to get the kind of Government that the centre-left party wants.

51% of people voted for the left, shall we say. The centre-left and

far left. I hope in the end they get their Government, but equally I will

continue to say, there is a trend here of, of a lack of democracy in

Europe, whether it is making... I wanted to speak because they have

been making the running. We have a tank watch going in Lisbon. If they

appear... It happened before in Portugal. It isn't the only country

to have On Sunday, the people of Poland

voted in their general election and voted in the right-of-centre Law

and Justice party, European allies For the latest

in our Meet the Neighbours series, Adam Fleming has been to Gdansk,

on Poland's north coast. The Poles have just gone to

the polls, so I've come to the place where an electrician first

sparked democracy in this country. This is the famous shipyard

Gate Number Two where, 35 years ago, Lech Walesa came out and announced

that the Polish authorities were The first independent trade union

in the Soviet bloc. It eventually led to

the first free elections in 1989. A corner

of the shipyard is now a giant museum dedicated to solidarity,

the movement and the idea. You can see the van Lech Walesa

climbed on to make speeches, and check out plenty

of retro interior design. Or why not recreate

the talks to form But the centre's boss is worried

that solidarity is something that We are becoming Euro critical,

but we are not Great Britain. We don't have your wealth,

your strong political position, and we are located

in a very special place in Europe. He's worried

because the Eurosceptics Law and Justice have just become the first

party to form a majority government Beata Szydlo is the new

Prime Minister, though real power lies with Jaroslaw

Kaczynski, who ran the country with his twin brother when the party was

last in power a decade ago. Their candidates were anti the euro,

suspicious of immigrants, Law and Justice have quite big

election posters, don't they? To find out the secret

of their success, I met Filip, Teach me how to say the name

in Polish. I think I'll just stick with Law

and Justice. We joined the European Union,

we've had many possibilities. We've had many people who have

wanted to create the ideas, the innovation system, who have wanted

to make their companies there. And because

of the economical situation, the taxation policy of the Polish

government, they decided to leave. And Filip's party is planning

to be fairly tough on the EU. We have many,

many problems with our economical For example,

our ship companies were destroyed by Moreover, I think that Law and

Justice will want to make an ally with Great Britain to stop the lead

of Germany in the European Union. Although the view here is that David

Cameron's plan to restrict benefits for the 700,000 Poles working

in the UK is, er, a bit cheeky. Back at the Solidarity Centre,

you're supposed to write something But what message is Poland now

sending to the rest of Europe? We have had a Marxist Government

elected in Greece, we have got, we are going to have I suspect a

Portuguese Government of the left, we have a right-wing Government now

in Poland, we have a right-wing government, not a centre-right

Government in Denmark, we have the Swedish Democrats holding the

balance of power in Sweden, I would suggest the mainstream is crumbling

in Europe I am not sure it is crumbling but I think the mainstream

has challenges. The Polish result is interesting, I have talked to Polish

colleagues about the result, there seems to be a generational issue

here, in that the older people have had, they are still in the housing

they had under Communism and they are reTilly well-off, whereas the

young people aren't. I will have to stop you there.