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Dramatic events in Paris this morning as French police carry out

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a massive anti-terrorist operation following the attacks last Friday.

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Armed units moved in early this morning, resulting

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One female suspect reportedly blew herself up.

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Another man is also said to have been killed.

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The French government says the operation is now over.

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David Cameron promises a "comprehensive strategy"

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to deal with the threat posed by the so-called Islamic State.

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So will that mean an imminent vote on extending

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Jeremy Corbyn faces open revolt within the Labour Party over

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his stance on military action and dealing with the terrorist threat.

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Can the Labour leader reassert his authority at PMQs today?

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This is New York City. No one tells us what neighbourhood to live in,

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what team to root for or what Delhi to eat cat.

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And slick American campaign techniques are now de rigeur

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We speak to the American strategist who hopes to

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All that in the 90 minutes, and with us for the whole of the programme

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today, the Environment Minister, George Eustice, and the Shadow

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Let's start with the dramatic events in Paris this

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morning where armed police raided a flat in the suburb of Saint Denis

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in an operation linked to Friday's terrorist attacks.

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One female suspect blew herself up and another man was killed.

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Five police officers were hurt and at least five people were

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We can bring you some pictures of this now just as they come in. Saint

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Denis is in that part of Paris, you see it on the way in on the

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Eurostar, it is on the left. The National Stadium, the Stade de

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France is also in this part, where two suicide bombers blew themselves

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up on Friday night. These are not live pictures, but they are very

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recent. This operation was launched at about 4am local time, and

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involved over 100 police backed up by the army. The army now on the

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streets in Paris for the first time in living memory in a sense of being

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involved in anti-terrorist operations. If you have been to

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Paris recently, you see the police around the Eiffel Tower, government

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buildings, but the Army this morning involved in this anti-terrorist

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operation. The police paramilitaries took the force of this, and it looks

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like it was successful from the French police point of view. They

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were very anxious, although it was a siege situation, to catch and get at

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least one of the people they were after a live, because so many of

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those involved on Friday night's atrocity either killed themselves

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all were killed by the police as they were trying to take control

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again. But they have now got somebody, at least one, perhaps two

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people involved, who will now face interrogation from the French

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security services. These live pictures coming in from Saint Denis

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in Paris at what looks like the end of the anti-terrorist operation in

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that particular part of Harris. JoCo.

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That operation which had been going on all morning does look finished.

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We had reports that some of the officers were taking off their

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helmets, which looked as if they had got everybody they wanted to get.

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There are also reports this morning that have not been confirmed that

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the people holed up in that apartment were planning some sort of

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attack on La Defence, the districts to the West.

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Clearly a dangerous operation, with the police themselves suffering

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casualties, we don't think any fatalities. And a police dog was

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injured as well, we are told. The Prime Minister has promised to

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present a "comprehensive strategy" to deal

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with the so-called Islamic State. David Cameron told Parliament

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yesterday that he would respond personally to

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a sceptical report from the Commons Foreign Affairs Committee

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published earlier this month. Mr Cameron believes that

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the terrorist atrocities in Paris have strengthened the case

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for air strikes in Syria and reports today suggest he could seek a

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Parliamentary vote before Christmas. Though Downing Street this morning

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began to play that down a bit. But will he be able to

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win over sceptical MPs? Earlier this month the Foreign

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Affairs Select Committee urged David Cameron not to press ahead with

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a vote on UK air strikes against It said any benefits would be more

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than outweighed by the risks of "legal ambiguity, political chaos

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on the ground, military The committee urged the

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Prime Minister to focus instead on The UK is already taking part

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in air strikes against IS targets in Iraq, at the

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request of the Iraqi government. On Monday RAF Tornados attacked a

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group of more than 30 IS fighters who were preparing an attack

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on Kurdish forces near Sinjar. There have already been targeted UK

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drone strikes in Syria after British born jihadis Reyaad Khan and Ruhul

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Amin were killed in Raqqa in August. It was ruled lawful as an act

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of self-defence. But for David Cameron, extending to

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full air strikes is more tricky, In 2013 Parliament voted on

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whether to take military action The Government lost 282

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against to 272 in favour. Andrew. George Eustis, if the Prime

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Minister now thinks it is right to take the water Syria, why doesn't he

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get on with it? We are acting in Iraq at the moment, and big progress

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is being made. But the Prime Minister has always been clear that

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there will only be action in Syria if there is support for it.

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Why? There isn't a constitutional need for it. The Prime Minister said

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that we do need to have a clear strategy, a broad strategy that

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looks at counter-terrorism, and community cohesion at home. He is

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going to respond directly. So why haven't we got it? This has been a

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long time coming, we have seen this coming. There is no surprise, there

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is only the timing. We have known, even the downing of the Russian

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passenger jet over Sinai was a clear sign that Islamic State was

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operating and out of area. Terrorist capability. So why have we not yet

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had the Prime Minister's Hanson for dealing with it? The Prime Minister

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would have been able to get air strikes in Syria in the last

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parliament, but the Labour Party would support that. Some of your own

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side wouldn't. They wouldn't. Would you support it? I would. I would

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have supported intervention against Assad in 2013 we could have brought

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this civil war to an earlier conclusion. And I certainly support

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action in Syria now. You should be willing to go after Isil wherever

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they are. The Royal United services Institute, an independent think

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tank, has said that while the parliamentary manoeuvring

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continues, the UK's reputation as a reliable military partner is being

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undermined. It is right, isn't it? I would prefer it if we had voted to

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go into action in Syria at the end of the last Parliament. Why not do

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it and throw yourself, at some stage of labour... If you do it because

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the Government thinks it is the right thing to do, and Labour puts

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down a motion of no confidence, then you live or fall by the vote in the

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Commons. Do the right thing. I think it is right on matters of military

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intervention that we seek a Parliamentary consensus for it. The

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Prime Minister has always said that that was what we would do. Is it

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always true on every possible military action that Britain will

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take, that there needs to be a Parliamentary consensus? When you

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are talking about a sustained air campaign, then yes, he feels he

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should have parliamentary backing for that. The answer is not to

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sidestep Parliament, it is to persuade Parliament that this is the

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right thing to do. But he is not. Why is he taking so long to reply?

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The select committee report was iffy about extending the war. There were

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lots of arguments for not doing it as well as there are strong

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arguments were doing it. Why is the Prime Minister taking so long to

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reply? He said he's going to reply to it directly personally. The key

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thing they ask forward is to say that they needed a coherent wider

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strategy that included how we bring the civil war in Syria to an end.

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And when we get to get back? He says he is going to make that response

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himself. I understand there is some difficulty in answering these

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questions. What about this one. Do you think it would be right, given

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what we have seen unfold on the streets of Paris, and given that our

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own intelligence services believe it is only a matter of time before

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something almost as terrible or just as terrible happens on the streets

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of written, -- Britain, that this Government should continue to cut

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police numbers? You have seen this week the Government announced that

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is going to double the budget on dealing with cyber crime, an extra

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1900 personnel... That is not police numbers. No, but the

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counter-terrorism element of the police budget was protected in the

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last Parliament, and it will be protected again in this one. Except

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that there has been a clear-cut in the Home Office's budget, and the

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head of the London Met says that the cuts that are still to come, another

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5000 officers will have to go, from a 32,000 strong police force in the

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capital. We will have to wait until they get the spending review

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decisions to know exactly how much the police will be asked to save,

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and it would be over four years. Let me just give you the figures from

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the ISS. Public spending on police was cut by 14% in real terms between

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2010 and 2014 /15. And now it faces further cut at a time when we faced

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Robert Blake the biggest terrorist threat this country has ever faced,

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even bigger than the IRA now if Paris is anything to go by. Does

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that make sense to continue cutting? Within the budget, you

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would prioritise things like counter-terrorism. You prioritised

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overseas aid. The point is on the police that crime has gone down in

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the last five years. Policing is changing. That is a Europe-wide

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phenomenon, as you know. Policing is changing, there is more emphasis on

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things like cyber crime, and we have doubled the budget on that, and an

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extra ?2 billion going into special forces. Contrary to reports in the

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media, special forces are not patrolling the streets. How many

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armed police can France deployed within one hour of a terrorist

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attack? I don't know. 120,000. How many armed police could Britain

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deploy within an hour? An absolute maximum of 6000. 6000 versus

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120,000, and you thinking next week's, rancid review you would we

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seem to be in touch with this country if you continue to cut

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police budget? Within the budget, you prioritise where there is

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greatest to public safety. Thank you Ray much.

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A bitter row has broken out in the Labour Party over the renewal of

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Ken Livingstone, an opponent of the nuclear deterrent, has been put

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in joint charge of a review to help decide Labour's position on it.

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When a Shadow Defence Minister who's suffered with depression questioned

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his suitability for the role, Mr Livingstone's reported to have

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said he "might need some psychiatric help".

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Why has he been appointed? My understanding is that when the NEC

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met recently, they made a joint decision that they would move our

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work streams down into six key areas, and one of those is foreign

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affairs and defence. That will obviously include the Trident

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review. That work is being led by Maria Eagle, our Shadow Secretary of

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State for Defence, but she will co-chair that body with Ken

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Livingstone, who is a member of the NEC. That model as a model they have

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adopted across the six work streams. One member of the Shadow Cabinet,

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one member of the NEC. But you now have a Shadow Defence Secretary who

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is in favour of the renewal of Trident, and Ken Livingstone

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chairing this review alongside her who doesn't. Can you understand why

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she is reported to be furious? She didn't know, she wasn't told, she

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had a mention with Jeremy Corbyn last week and she wasn't told about

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the possibility of Ken Livingstone heading up this review. My

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understanding is that this decision was made by the National executive

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committee, not Jeremy Corbyn. Do you understand why she is furious and

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feels undermined? I haven't spoken to Maria, so I don't know if that is

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how she feels or not. This is a model that we have adopted across

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the board, and it is not new. We are democratic organisation, and we

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allow all sides to put their points of view. Tessa Jarl was the chair of

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Ken Livingstone's campaign when he ran to America London, to back --

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two people from different backgrounds working together. But if

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you're shadow secretary is reportedly thinking of resigning, it

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isn't working, is it? I can't tell you what she thinks, because I

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haven't seen her. Is Ken Livingstone suitable for that role if he says

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about one of his critics, Kevin Jones, Junior Shadow defence

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Minister, that he should see his GP, that he should see a

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psychiatrist? This is a man who had a battle with depression? Is that

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appropriate? If that is what is said, of course it isn't. In

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politics, nobody should be speaking to each other like that. We have had

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insults hurled across the House of Commons, and it is not the right way

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to talk about each other, but these are hugely serious issues, not just

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about Trident, but also because of the conversation we were just having

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because of the imminent threat posed by Isil, and it is right that the

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Labour Party is trying to engage in a democratic process engages

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different points of view. There are different views across this across

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the country. But this is about judgment and the judgment of the

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leader of the Labour Party. Her Majesty is my loyal opposition, and

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his judgment will be called into question if he has appointed someone

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like Ken Livingstone who has made comments like that about a fellow

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MP. The NEC made a joint decision. Is

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that appropriate for Ken Livingstone to say that? If he says about a

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Parliamentary colleague, although Ken Livingstone is not in

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Parliament, that somebody suffering from depression should go and see

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his GP. I cannot confirm he has said it. Should Ken Livingstone

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apologise? I do not think anybody in politics should be making comments

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like that. We ought to be having a proper debate about the way in which

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we keep people safe in this country. Is that the way to conduct

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the debate? It is also reported that he has called Maria eagle mad for

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believing that Trident is worth spending ?20 billion on? If it is

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going to be a grown-up debate is Ken Livingstone the man to lead that

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debate? I cannot comment on that because I have not seen it. Kevin

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Jones has actually responded and saying however ended tears. Labour

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MPs are all over social media as saying how outraged they are about

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these comments and if he has been appointed to this very important

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role, is that the sort of debate we can expect? Absolutely not. The sort

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of debate we ought to be having as we ought to be respectful to one

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another and concede there are different points of view. Should he

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go? My understanding is that is why these bodies have been constituted a

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this way so that different opinions are taken into account. Are you

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happy for Ken Livingstone to continue in that role? I am not

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going to comment having not seen anything that you have just read out

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to me. I do not think that is the right way to conduct politics

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either. I will look at what he said and take a view. Nobody should be

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saying to anybody in any political party that they need to seek

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psychiatric help and if that is what has been said of course he should

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apologise. Should Jeremy Corbyn's judgment be cold into question after

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making that decision without consulting his Shadow Defence

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Secretary? The national executive committee which is drawn from across

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the Labour Party... She did not even know. Was he right to accept the

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decision by the NEC for Ken Livingstone to run that review? We

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are a democratic party and decisions are made through the NEC which is

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our ruling body. In terms of the town which Jeremy Corbyn has said

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since he became leader, it has been respectful, kinder, straighter with

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people. None of that sounds very kind respectful. That is my point.

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This is watchable see from Jeremy Corbyn. That is how he expects us to

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conduct debate. There is no sense in which anybody should be hurling

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insults at anybody else and if that has happened we ought to take a

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strong line. How strong should that might be? Jeremy Corbyn said unity

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would be Labour's watchword. This looks the exact opposite. Unity

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should be our watchword but within that we ought to be having

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respectful and open debate about issues that are incredibly complex,

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whether it is Isil and the situation in Syria, responding to Paris,

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issues about police cuts or Trident, these are complex questions and it

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is right that we have a debate but we must do that respectfully. When

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there is a Trident debate next week they will not be an agreed

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position? No. We are having a review. There are different views

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across the Labour Party as across the country. That is the purpose of

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the view. -- review. One person wants Trident and one person does

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not. They might represent different views. At some stage there has to be

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settled view from the opposition. When? The review is ongoing for

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several months. We have announced the two co-chairman of the details

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will be set out quite quickly. Jeremy has set out his personal view

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but he has to persuade the rest of the party of that. We are a

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democratic member led organisation and will have that debate and come

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to consensus about the right way forward but it is right to ask the

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question in relation to Trident, should we be spending this much of

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our defence budget on keeping us they've when the threat we face

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comes from organisations like Isil? You disagree with the Shadow Defence

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Secretary? I have not come to a set of view. I want to have that

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conversation. I would much rather have a leader who is willing to

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listen to all points of view than a Prime Minister who has taken a

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stance and will not admit there are competing priorities. All 129

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fatalities from the terrorist attacks on Friday have been

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identified. Scores of nationalities involved than people of all

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backgrounds, ethnic persuasions and so on, in the atrocities, of the

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129. The Paris prosecutor has told journalists it is unclear whether

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the alleged organiser of the attacks has been picked up in that police

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raid. They are not clear whether they managed to get him.

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Yes, Prime Minister's Questions is on its way.

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The first Prime Minister's Questions since the attacks in Paris. Probably

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more important today for Jeremy Corbyn. I doubt there will be much

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crowd sourcing of questions from Jeremy Corbyn today. The BBC's

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political editor is here. Starting with the government, lots of reports

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that David Cameron was moving towards a vote, that it looked as if

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he was going to take the plunge, get his ducks in a row, and I understand

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there has been a ring back. David Cameron will not put a vote to the

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House of Commons unless he is sure he can win it comfortably. This is

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not something the government wants to look like they have sneaked

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through. They might do not want to walk into the lobby is on the night

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of the potential vote that it is that so little going to happen. This

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is not going to be on a knife edge and if it seems like it is he will

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not do it. How does he tell? His whips can tell him how many Tories

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are going to vote for him and how many rebels he faces, they cannot

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tell him what the Labour Party is going to do. One of those theories

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doing the rounds is that the government may ask Labour MPs who

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are interested in voting for action, maybe as many as 50, to put

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something in writing, to give them something kind of guarantee or

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public statement that they will back the government. Do not underestimate

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how bruised ministers feel by what they see as Ed Miliband's betrayal

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on a very different vote, action in Syria in 2013. They will be looking

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for something that looks like a guarantee. Whether or not that

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mechanism of the public written statement comes as not a question

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that is yet settled but they are looking for solid things that they

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know they can take to the House and win comfortably. It looks like it

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might be by a slow and it will not happen -- if it does. To be sure he

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is dependent and it is a very difficult time because... To use the

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word chaos in the Labour Party would not be an exaggeration. Mr Jones is

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a shadow defence spokesman for the defence party and was attacked by

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Ken Livingstone who is heading up a review on defence policy and he has

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responded. People can have political differences but to use mental

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illness as a tool to attack somebody you disagree with on a political

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issue is disgraceful. Jeremy Corbyn has worked very hard alongside other

:27:54.:28:01.

members of Parliament to take the stigma away from mental illness and

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Ken Livingstone's comments sure we have a long way to go. His comments

:28:07.:28:10.

are in the dark ages frankly and that is where they should stay. The

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internal civil war continues. The war of words. Chris Leslie who was

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the former Shadow Chancellor has called on Ken Livingstone to resign

:28:24.:28:27.

from the defence review and possibly from Labour's ruling committee the

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national executive committee. What has happened in the last few days is

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very significant. We have always known there were big differences

:28:38.:28:40.

between the Parliamentary Labour Party and Jeremy Corbyn but what we

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have seen as those tensions smash up against one thing real. What

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happened in Paris and how Jeremy Corbyn has responded to it has

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caused a great deal of concern not just among those who could be

:28:53.:28:57.

dismissed as Blairite but amongst moderates in the Labour Party. For

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Jeremy Corbyn supporters the kind of things he has been saying is exactly

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why he won. He does not believe that violence is the answer to the

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problems we face in this country and he believes Western intervention is

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partly responsible for what has been happening. When the government wants

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military action you have the Labour Party having a really damaging fight

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amongst themselves. At a time when the Labour Party seems to be at

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sixes and sevens on key issues of national security there is no sense

:29:32.:29:34.

that Jeremy Corbyn is trying to reach out to the middle or the

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rights of his party. Appointing Ken Livingstone is the exact opposite.

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Indeed. For many Labour MPs the phrase that Kevin Jones uses, that

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it is something from the dark ages, that is what many people in the

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Labour Party remember, fights in the 1980s, and think that people

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involved in those are back and telling them what to do. This is a

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real clash of ideology. It is a real clash of the sort of street fighting

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politics. There is a battle. It is chaotic but it is a fight for the

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soul of who they really are and who they represent. In the last few days

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Jeremy Corbyn supporters repeatedly unjustifiably talk about the

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mandate, more and more MPs talking about the mandate that they got from

:30:28.:30:31.

voters that the general election, 9 million voters, seeing that it is

:30:32.:30:38.

different frame in terms of Jeremy Corbyn's mandate. Ken Livingstone's

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appointment comes after a number of appointments. Mr McDonald as the

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Shadow Chancellor. Even the unions were not keen on that. This policy

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adviser who described various Labour people as scumbags. Andrew Fletcher.

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Seamus Milne from The Guardian. Mr Livingstone in defence policy. The

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question will have to wait because we are going to the Commons.

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Mr Speaker, may I associate myself and the whole house with what the

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Government have said about the attacks in Paris. People in

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Blackpool were among those murdered on a Tunisian beach, and our tower

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was lit in red white and blue for those killed by terrorist in France.

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I raised an issue about neighbourhood policing and security

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being threatened by the scale of proposed cuts, and the Lancashire

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funding formula which has now been admitted to be flawed. Can I reflect

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him -- asking to reflect on the words, when facts change, change my

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mind, and when local intelligence can be crucial against, perhaps this

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isn't the time to jeopardise it with arbitrary Treasury cuts. I thank the

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honourable gentleman for what he says about Paris and the importance

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of the whole house coming together over this issue, and perhaps the

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house would like a brief update. One British and, Nick Alexander, was

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killed at the Bataclan Theatre. Three other British National Party

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now been released from hospital and returned to the UK. The Foreign

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Office and red cross of providing support for at least another 15

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nationals for trauma. We will be providing support for all of those

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affected by what happened. There has been news from France this morning

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in terms of terrorist arrests, and I can say more about that later on. On

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policing, what I would say to the honourable gentleman is that we have

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quite rightly in this Parliament protected counter-terrorism

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policing. We are going to protect that again in this Parliament. What

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we have done in terms of policing otherwise is we have seen an

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increase in neighbourhood officers over the course of the parliament,

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and a 31% cut in crime. Let me commend the police, not just

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counter-terrorism police but all police, for the work they do, and we

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will announce our proposals next week. Mr Speaker, as our hearts go

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out to the people of France at this time, will the Prime Minister agree

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with me that the first duty of Her Majesty is government must be to

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protect British citizens from harm? So will he take immediate action to

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secure our UK borders from those who threaten our nation, and on security

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grounds alone, restore complete sovereignty over our British borders

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from the European Union? I think my honourable friend raises a very

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important question, and I want to explain in answering a very

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important point, which is because the UK is not only Schengen Area, we

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already retain full control over who is entering our country, and we are

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able to check all entrants at the border, EU nationals and EEA

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nationals included. On the house might be interested to know that

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since 2010 we have refused entry to almost 6000 EU national, and many of

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these were stopped at our border controls in Calais. In terms of

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other people we have stopped, since 2010 we had denied entry to nearly

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19 -- 95,000 people, and one of the principal reasons for not letting

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people in is national security concerns. We have that situation

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already because we are not in the Schengen Area.

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THE SPEAKER: Mr Jeremy Corbyn. I want to start, Mr Speaker, by

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expressing the horror of all those on this side of the house at the

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events in Paris on Friday evening, and our concern you'd -- continued

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solidarity with all victims, whether they be in Paris, Beirut, Ankara,

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Damascus or anywhere in the world. We know that at least one British

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and has been killed, and many more injured. Many British people live

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and work in Paris, millions visit Paris and France every year. Can the

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Prime Minister continue what he was saying earlier in response to my

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friend the member from Blackpool in terms of giving support to the

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British affected by the attacks, and what the Government's latest advices

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on travelling to France and our need to show the best possible normality

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in relations with the French people? I thank the Leader of the

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Opposition for his remarks and I say what a pleasure it was to be with

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him last night at the England-France football match, where I thought

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there was a tremendous display of solidarity. I'm sure they can say in

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the Marseille is louder in the Stade de France, but I was proud to be

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there. There is never any justification for terrorism, and we

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can all be clear about that at all times. He asked specifically what we

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could do more to help British people caught up in his problems. Peter

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Ricketts, our ambassador in France, is doing a brilliant job, and I'm

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keeping my eye closely on the consular situation. In terms of

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travel advice, it is all on the Foreign Office website, but I agree

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with him, the most important thing is for people to carry on with their

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lives. It is important that the Eurostar continues to function,

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flights continue to go, people continue to travel to enjoy London

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and Paris and go about our business. Yes we need enhanced security, and

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that is happening with the way that the police are acting here in the UK

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and elsewhere, but one of the ways to defeat terrorism is to show them

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that we will not be cowed. We know that sadly after such atrocities as

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we have seen, intolerance often increases. Islamophobia,

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anti-Semitism, racism. Will the Prime Minister agree with me that it

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is vital that everyone in public life, particularly politicians, are

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careful about how we discuss these issues, and will he also join with

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me in making it very clear that the dreadful events of terrorism in

:37:34.:37:36.

Paris have nothing in common whatsoever with the 2 million

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British Muslims in this country who are as appalled as anyone else by

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the events in Paris last Friday? I will happily join the right

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honourable gentleman in that. Some of the strongest and best statements

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have been made by a whole series of magician Muslims coming together to

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say that these attacks are in no way carried out in their name. But I do

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think it raises an important issue, which cannot be said often enough,

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that these watches of Isil are no reflection of the true religion of

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Islam, which is a religion of peace. But at the same time, we do have to

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recognise that whether these terrorists are in Tunisia or Egypt

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or Paris or London they spout the same bile that they claim comes from

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the religion of Islam, and that is why we have to take apart what they

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say and prove that that is not the case. It is not good enough to say

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there is no connection between these terrorist and Islam, they are making

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a connection. We need to prove that it is not right, and the support of

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Muslim scholars is absolutely vital and I commend them for their work.

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Surely a crucial way to help defeat Isil is to cut off its funding, its

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supply of arms and its trade. Can I press the Prime Minister to ensure

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that our allies in the region and all countries in the region are

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doing all they can to clamp down on individuals and institutions in

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their countries who are providing Isil with vital infrastructure, and

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will he, through the European Union and other forums if necessary,

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consider sanctions against those banks and companies and if necessary

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countries who turn a blind eye to financial dealings with Isil which

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assist them in their work? We do play a leading role, as I said

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yesterday, in making sure that the supply of money and weapons and

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support is cut off, but I think we should be clear about where Isil got

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their money from originally. What happened was that because we didn't

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have a Government in Iraq that effectively represented all of its

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people, and because in Syria you have a leader who is butchering his

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own people, Isil was able to get hold of oil, get hold of weapons,

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get hold of territory, get hold of banks, and it is that that they have

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been able to use in order to fund their hatred and violence, and so we

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cannot dodge for ever the question of how to degrade and destroy Isil

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both in Iraq and in Syria, and that is why I will be setting out my

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response to the foreign affairs select committee. So yes, go after

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the money, the banks, cut off their supplies, but don't make that a

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substitute for the action that is required to beat these people where

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they are. Next week the Chancellor will

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present his Autumn Statement stood a house. Can the prime and is to

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clarify something about the source of the necessary extra funding to be

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set out for the security services which we support. Will it come at

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the expense of other areas, either within the Home Office budget or a

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win in other areas of public spending, or from new funding? Does

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he want to go on longer so that the Chancellor can explain the answer to

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him? We will set out in full our decisions next week, but we have

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already said that we will be funding an increase in the security services

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of 1900 personnel, safeguarding the counterterrorism budget, and we will

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be seeing an increase in terms of aviation security. All of this is

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part of an overall spending settlement. At the same time as

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funding our security, increasing our defence spending, we have to make

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decisions that eradicate our budget deficit and keep our economy strong.

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We don't do that just for the common -- current generation, we do it for

:41:28.:41:31.

our children and grandchildren, because none of these things, not

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even strong defence, is possible without a strong economy. I am not

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sure where the money is coming from following the Prime Minister's

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answer, but no doubt it will come. London has been targeted by

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terrorists before, and this weekend was Mike events in Paris have

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focused attention not just on London but also other cities throughout the

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whole of Britain. Policing plays a vital role in community cohesion,

:41:58.:42:00.

gathering intelligence of those who may be about to be a risk to all of

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us. But this is surely undermined if we cut the number of police officers

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by 5000. Does the Prime Minister agree with the commission of the

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Metropolitan Police, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, who said, I quote, I

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genuinely worry about safety of London if the cuts go through on

:42:19.:42:22.

this scale? The right honourable gentleman asks where the money comes

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from. We on this side of the house never forget that every penny we

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spend comes from taxpayers. Borrowed money is simply taxes that are

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deferred, and that is why it is so important to eradicate our deficit

:42:39.:42:41.

at the same time as making sure we find our security intelligence

:42:42.:42:45.

services and police properly. We are protecting the counterterrorism

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budget. We see a 3800 increasing neighbourhood police officers in the

:42:51.:42:53.

last parliament at the same time as a 31% increase in -- 31% cut in

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crime. The Shadow Home Secretary has said that a 10% efficiency target

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for the police is doable. Is the Leader of the Opposition saying that

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he doesn't agree with his Shadow Home Secretary? There does seem to

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be a little bit of disagreement on the opposition front bench today.

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I have a question from a taxpayer, actually. And his name is John, and

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he says, at a time... LAUGHTER

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SHOUTING. At a time when we are facing the

:43:32.:43:42.

greatest threat from terrorism ever faced, police numbers and resources

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are cut. Demands on the police have been increasing steadily as budgets

:43:47.:43:49.

are slashed, increasing stress on officers. Couple that with

:43:50.:43:54.

detrimental changes to their pay, terms, conditions and pensions, it

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is no wonder that morale in the police force is so poor, one in

:43:58.:44:01.

three are considering leaving the force. Will he be able to tell us

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whether or not this community policing and other police budgets

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are protected or not in next week's Autumn Statement?

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Let me tell him again, neighbourhood policing numbers have gone up by

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3800. In the capital city, we have seen a 500% increase in

:44:23.:44:26.

neighbourhood policing. We have also, because we have cut

:44:27.:44:29.

bureaucracy, but the equivalent of an extra 2000 police on the streets.

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But I will tell the Leader of the Opposition something. As well as

:44:35.:44:36.

wanting resources, the police want the appropriate powers. And hasn't

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come to something when the leader of Her Majesty Osman opposition thinks

:44:44.:44:46.

that the police when fronted by a Kalashnikov waving terrorist isn't

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sure what the reaction should be! Mr Speaker, the attacks on Paris

:44:47.:45:01.

were quite clearly an attack on all of us. Does the Prime Minister agree

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that our resolve must be unbreakable? We should hunt down

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Isil wherever it is operating, wherever it is planning, wherever it

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is plotting, and if that means shoot to kill, then so be it, and if that

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means action in Syria, then so be it. I think my Hywel Poole friend is

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right. What I have said is that in order to respond to this very severe

:45:29.:45:33.

threat that we face, we need focus on counterterrorism here in the

:45:34.:45:36.

United Kingdom giving our intelligence agencies the laws they

:45:37.:45:39.

need, giving our police the powers they need, and making sure we are

:45:40.:45:44.

vigilant. We need counter extremism as we were discussing earlier, the

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importance of stopping the poisoning of these young minds, not least

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through these radical preachers on the Internet. But we also need to

:45:50.:45:55.

stop the problems at their source. We know where much of this problem

:45:56.:45:59.

is coming from. It is Isil, not just in Iraq, but in Syria. What I said

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to the house yesterday is I will prepare a detailed report to

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demonstrate that we do have a clear strategy of bringing in the

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neighbourhood powers, bringing in the regional powers, building a

:46:13.:46:16.

future for these countries and stability in the least, but I

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believe part of that is taking action against Isil wherever it is.

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In the wake of terrorist outrages and the ongoing civil war in Syria

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it is very welcome that there is significant diplomatic progress in

:46:34.:46:37.

trying to find a solution to the Syrian crisis. The UK joined the

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United States and France and Russia and Iran at talks in Vienna at the

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weekend and all signed a communique committing progress through the

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United Nations. Will he confirm that he will support a UN Security

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Council resolution on this before seeking to intervene Mellitah rally

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in Syria? I am grateful for asking this question. Russia has different

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aims to ours and have obediently threatened to veto any such

:47:08.:47:14.

resolution. -- repeatedly. It is always preferential to have the full

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backing of the United Nations Security Council but what matters

:47:19.:47:23.

most of all is that any action we would take would both be legal and

:47:24.:47:27.

would help protect our country and our people right here. You cannot

:47:28.:47:34.

outsource to a Russian veto the decisions we need to debar country

:47:35.:47:45.

safe. The first survey of UK public opinion on military intervention

:47:46.:47:48.

since the Paris attacks has shown 52% believe that the UK should

:47:49.:47:54.

engage with all countries to coordinate an appropriate response

:47:55.:47:59.

Mellitah Relay or otherwise backed by United Nations resolution and

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only 15% believe the UK should independently launch our strikes.

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Will he commit to giving a commitment to secure a UN Security

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Council resolution, which the UK and Russia agreed to? I could not be

:48:16.:48:24.

clearer. Of course it is or was preferential in whatever action you

:48:25.:48:28.

are taking, whether lifting people out of the Mediterranean or taking

:48:29.:48:37.

action in the Middle East against Isil, it is always preferential to

:48:38.:48:43.

have a you, United Nations Security Council resolution but is they are

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threatened with veto again and again my job is not to read an opinion

:48:49.:48:52.

poll but to do the right thing to debar country safe. -- keep our. The

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French armed police, who stormed the Bataclan and killed those vile

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murderous scum are heroes and so are the British armed forces who protect

:49:15.:49:19.

our public spaces and people. Will the Prime Minister sent a note of

:49:20.:49:22.

unequivocal support to those officers on patrol and ensure that

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in the review next week they have the resources they need to keep us

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safe? I absolutely agree. We ask the police every day to take risks on

:49:35.:49:39.

our behalf and let me thank the police who policed so effectively

:49:40.:49:42.

the game at Wembley last night. In terms of the French police the House

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would welcome an update. We have seen the news of an operation in

:49:48.:49:55.

Paris, two suspects have died, seven arrests made, this operation has

:49:56.:50:01.

finished. We should all bravery of the French police handling with what

:50:02.:50:06.

is a very challenging situation. I. I hope that can be consensus right

:50:07.:50:10.

across the House. If we are confronted with a situation like

:50:11.:50:14.

this the British police should not be in any doubt. If you have a

:50:15.:50:19.

terrorist who is threatening to kill people you can and must use force.

:50:20.:50:27.

-- lethal force. President Obama said I have emphasised the

:50:28.:50:30.

importance of tax credits to help working families afford childcare

:50:31.:50:35.

and keep families in the workplace. Does he agree with the importance

:50:36.:50:38.

the president of the United States has attached to tax credits? What is

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important is that we do the best we can to help low-paid people and that

:50:44.:50:48.

is why we are taking people out of income tax. 3 million of the lowest

:50:49.:50:52.

paid taken out of income tax since I became Prime Minister. An ?11,000

:50:53.:50:58.

threshold before B will have to start paying tax at all. Helping

:50:59.:51:03.

working families with childcare, helping a national Living Wage

:51:04.:51:08.

starting next year, something I suspect President Obama would love

:51:09.:51:11.

to introduce in the United States. We are doing it here. Integrating

:51:12.:51:20.

health and social care would be a great prize for devolved cities and

:51:21.:51:24.

regions. Without effective democratic and clinical overstate

:51:25.:51:29.

things can go badly wrong. Already in Manchester a major hospital

:51:30.:51:32.

reorganisation is waiting judicial review. Can I ask him to ensure that

:51:33.:51:39.

proper safeguards are in place so the local authorities retain a last

:51:40.:51:44.

resort to refer NHS changes or independent clinical reviews? I will

:51:45.:51:50.

look carefully at what he says. This goes to a larger point which is we

:51:51.:51:54.

are currently changing the way our country is run. These big devolution

:51:55.:52:02.

deals in Greater Manchester and Liverpool and the West Midlands mean

:52:03.:52:07.

we are going to have powerful Metro wheres who are accountable to local

:52:08.:52:12.

people for their decisions they made, which as I direct form of

:52:13.:52:18.

accountability and we can be confident of devolving health and

:52:19.:52:21.

social care to those authorities. Our country has been too centralised

:52:22.:52:28.

for too long. Our northern cities will benefit from these massive

:52:29.:52:31.

devolution deals but if we devolved the power and the money we have to

:52:32.:52:35.

devolve the trust and the accountability as well. Against the

:52:36.:52:41.

backdrop of a tidal wave of local job losses, the Teesside collective

:52:42.:52:46.

industrial carbon capture is the very real potential to secure a

:52:47.:52:50.

major StepChange in our industrial renaissance. Ahead of the Paris

:52:51.:52:55.

conference will he meet with me and the industrial leaders driving this

:52:56.:52:59.

project so we can secure these immense climate change games with

:53:00.:53:05.

the UK leading this industrial revolution and make this initiative

:53:06.:53:09.

a reality for Teesside and the UK? I know how important it is that we all

:53:10.:53:13.

work on behalf of Teesside not least because of the difficulties that

:53:14.:53:17.

have been in Redcar and that is why we have the task force and that is

:53:18.:53:21.

why the additional resources are going in. I am happy to look at the

:53:22.:53:25.

project he docs about. It may be best for him to meet with the Energy

:53:26.:53:30.

and Climate Change Secretary. We have to make decisions about all of

:53:31.:53:40.

these technologies. In my constituency of North Warwickshire

:53:41.:53:43.

manufacturing is thriving thanks to innovative small businesses such as

:53:44.:53:48.

one group who are creating high-quality local jobs and

:53:49.:53:52.

apprenticeships in engineering. Given the challenges these types of

:53:53.:53:56.

company fees in finding traditional funding support what assurances can

:53:57.:54:00.

you give that this Conservative government understands the

:54:01.:54:04.

importance of our innovators and will continue to provide initiatives

:54:05.:54:07.

such as the annual investment fund to ensure British businesses

:54:08.:54:13.

continue to lead the way? We want to rebalance the British economy, not

:54:14.:54:16.

just in terms of the devolution of power, but also CE is thriving

:54:17.:54:22.

manufacturing sector. Manufacturers want to see continued investment

:54:23.:54:26.

into the captive bolt centres that do a good job of making sure

:54:27.:54:32.

technology taken up, strong support for the apprenticeship programme,

:54:33.:54:38.

and they also want to make the annual investment allowance

:54:39.:54:43.

permanent and it will be at ?200,000 throughout this parliament so that

:54:44.:54:46.

manufacturing companies and others who want to make investments now

:54:47.:54:50.

they can do so in a way that will be profitable. My niece is safe and

:54:51.:54:56.

well having been caught up in the aftermath of the Paris attacks and

:54:57.:55:01.

she wants to know as a student for three years in Paris whether this

:55:02.:55:06.

country is going to be safe on her return? She is worried about the

:55:07.:55:12.

cuts to the ambulance, the police under services in this country and

:55:13.:55:15.

whether we will be prepared with those cuts to be as prepared as

:55:16.:55:24.

those in Paris. I want to know why we are not joining with the Russians

:55:25.:55:28.

to get a UN mandate to remove Isis from Syria. I am glad to year that

:55:29.:55:34.

his niece is safe after these terrible attacks. To answer her

:55:35.:55:39.

question, we are doing everything we can to make sure this country is

:55:40.:55:44.

safe. After the intelligence we had some years ago about the potential

:55:45.:55:49.

of a marauding firearms attack at multiple locations and perhaps the

:55:50.:55:53.

capital city or elsewhere we have run exercises, done research, looked

:55:54.:55:58.

at everything we can, to make sure that ambulances and crews will be

:55:59.:56:03.

able to go into a hot zone and recover casualties, that we have the

:56:04.:56:06.

right number of armed police in the different parts of our country, that

:56:07.:56:13.

we can respond including using other forces, and we have looked at what

:56:14.:56:17.

the French have done in terms of surging troops onto the street and

:56:18.:56:21.

we have made sure that can happen here. There's never a 100% guarantee

:56:22.:56:26.

of safety but we are doing everything possibly can. I warmly

:56:27.:56:34.

congratulate the Prime Minister on new funding that has been announced

:56:35.:56:38.

for special forces equipment, but may I draw his attention to the

:56:39.:56:43.

plight of David and Maria Summers who have struggled to obtain a

:56:44.:56:47.

permanent residency for Maria despite being married for 45 years?

:56:48.:56:52.

Did he encourage officials to look again at this case? I am happy to

:56:53.:56:58.

look again at this case but it gives me the opportunity given the

:56:59.:57:01.

constituency he represents to say something about a group of people

:57:02.:57:04.

that we see very little about because we do not comment on their

:57:05.:57:09.

amazing work, but Hereford is an important part of the nation's

:57:10.:57:14.

security domestic league and overseas. Very brave people work

:57:15.:57:17.

there and we should give them credit. My constituent was a soldier

:57:18.:57:22.

in Iraq and Afghanistan and is currently training to be a doctor in

:57:23.:57:28.

London. He told me that with the proposed in your doctors contracts

:57:29.:57:32.

morale in the NHS is law than at any other point during his time on the

:57:33.:57:39.

front line. Does he agree that Loma rile amongst our junior doctors is a

:57:40.:57:48.

threat to patient safety? -- low morale. Please look very carefully

:57:49.:57:54.

at what the government is offering before you decide to go one strike

:57:55.:58:01.

because what is on offer is not an increase in hours, for many doctors

:58:02.:58:05.

it will mean life long hours, it is not a cut in the pay bill for junior

:58:06.:58:11.

doctors, it is an 11% basic pay increase. It will mean a better

:58:12.:58:15.

rostering of doctors including at weekends with more support for

:58:16.:58:21.

consultants. Go on the Department of Health website, look at the

:58:22.:58:25.

calculator and see how you will be affected because we have given a

:58:26.:58:29.

guarantee that anyone working legal hours will not be worse off under

:58:30.:58:34.

this contract. This is good for the NHS, good for doctors, patients,

:58:35.:58:41.

good for patients and I hope the BMA will call off their damaging strike.

:58:42.:58:48.

Fundamental to the success of the Good Friday Agreement was the spirit

:58:49.:58:52.

of peace and reconciliation that saw dozens or hundreds of convicted

:58:53.:58:56.

terrorist released from prison. Many had been found guilty of murder. Yet

:58:57.:59:01.

in the last week we hear the alarming news of a 66-year-old

:59:02.:59:04.

former paratrooper being arrested in connection with events that took

:59:05.:59:10.

place 43 years ago. In a week we are all having to once again contemplate

:59:11.:59:14.

sending our young men and women into harm's way with our security

:59:15.:59:19.

services on high alert, what message does this send to our armed forces

:59:20.:59:26.

and security services? I understand his concern that the feeling that

:59:27.:59:30.

many will have on seeing this news but the truth is about our country

:59:31.:59:33.

is one of the most important things about it is the government does not

:59:34.:59:37.

decide who is prosecuted and who is not. We have the rule of law,

:59:38.:59:42.

independent prosecuting authorities. This is something people across the

:59:43.:59:46.

world pride out for and we have here and we have to support them even

:59:47.:59:51.

when they take decisions that sometimes we want attention.

:59:52.:59:57.

Yesterday the principal parties in Northern Ireland came together and

:59:58.:00:00.

agreed a deal to make sure that the devolved institutions and continue

:00:01.:00:04.

to work. That deal involved people who have lost loved ones to

:00:05.:00:08.

terrorism, who have been opposed to each other all of their lives,

:00:09.:00:12.

sitting down and working together to try to deliver good government for

:00:13.:00:15.

this part of the United Kingdom and that is what we should look to to

:00:16.:00:22.

the future. The decision last week by HMRC to close their offices in

:00:23.:00:28.

Bradford will mean the loss of over 2000 high school high wage jobs, 1.2

:00:29.:00:36.

million in business rates and almost 12 million of the district's retail

:00:37.:00:41.

step goal spending which will have a devastating impact on Bradford. And

:00:42.:00:46.

you give me assurances that HMRC will meet with Bradford MPs to

:00:47.:00:52.

consider the clear economic and social case for keeping those

:00:53.:00:58.

offices in Bradford open? I am happy to ask the financial secretary to

:00:59.:01:02.

meet with the local MPs. We will make sure that Jobcentre plus and

:01:03.:01:08.

all of the supporters there for people who potentially are their

:01:09.:01:13.

jobs. In Bradford, the claimant count is down by 26% in the last

:01:14.:01:20.

year so jobs are available. It is a difficult and important point I am

:01:21.:01:24.

going to make, everyone in this House wants to see HMRC raise more

:01:25.:01:29.

money and make sure that people and companies do not avoid their taxes

:01:30.:01:33.

and that means reform and it means to make sure that HMRC is even more

:01:34.:01:38.

effective in raising the taxes on which our public services depend.

:01:39.:01:47.

Acknowledging that sport can bring a nation together and nations

:01:48.:01:50.

together, as demonstrated at Wembley last night, which he ensure that in

:01:51.:01:56.

addition to the welcome extra investment in the police and

:01:57.:02:00.

security services, investment in sports such as cricket will be

:02:01.:02:04.

maintained because they are a tool to help us face longer term

:02:05.:02:08.

challenges in integrating communities? I am sure over the next

:02:09.:02:13.

week the spending requests will quicken as we get closer to the

:02:14.:02:17.

spending review. It is important we have put in place the school sport

:02:18.:02:23.

premium for primary schools and it is making a real difference. There

:02:24.:02:28.

is a role for the sporting bodies to play. Many receive large amounts of

:02:29.:02:31.

money from the television contracts and the more of them that the more

:02:32.:02:36.

of them that can use that to ensure we are bringing on the young stars

:02:37.:02:40.

of tomorrow, that is absolutely vital. As the new leader of the

:02:41.:02:49.

anti-austerity movement in Oxfordshire, can he tell us how his

:02:50.:03:02.

campaign is going? What I said to my local council is what I say to every

:03:03.:03:06.

council, which is you have to get more for less, not less for more. On

:03:07.:03:13.

this side of the House we want to make sure that every penny that is

:03:14.:03:18.

raised in council tax is well spent and if his council would like to

:03:19.:03:21.

come in and get the same advice I will gladly oblige. At a time when

:03:22.:03:34.

he saw rightly emphasises the need for our solidarity with France, and

:03:35.:03:40.

I asked if he can see what he can do to ensure that the Franco British

:03:41.:03:45.

Council set up over 40 years ago to promote civil society partnership

:03:46.:03:49.

can continue to do its important work in fields as diverse as defence

:03:50.:03:54.

and community cohesion? Without a very small amount of funding from

:03:55.:03:57.

both governments it will not be able to do that. I am happy to look at

:03:58.:04:03.

that proposal. France and Britain have a lot to learn from each other

:04:04.:04:07.

and we should enter into these discussions in that spirit. We have

:04:08.:04:10.

a lot to learn about integrating people into our country, about how

:04:11.:04:16.

we have effective counter-terrorism policing, about how to share

:04:17.:04:19.

intelligence, and I am committed to making sure we burst you all of

:04:20.:04:25.

those things with France. Wigan council has had a cut in funding

:04:26.:04:32.

over the last five years and lost a third of its staff. Does he advise I

:04:33.:04:37.

should write to the leader of the council regarding the reduction or

:04:38.:04:42.

should I place the blame firmly where it belongs, with his

:04:43.:04:48.

government? If he is looking for someone to blame she might want to

:04:49.:04:53.

blame the Labour Party which left the country with the biggest budget

:04:54.:04:56.

deficit anywhere in the Western world. The advice I would give her

:04:57.:05:03.

about her local council is to look at its overall spending power, the

:05:04.:05:07.

combination of business rates, council tax and Grant and ask what

:05:08.:05:11.

money they have got to provide local services.

:05:12.:05:21.

Prime Minister's Questions predictably dominated by events in

:05:22.:05:27.

Paris. President Hollande of France was also giving a press conference,

:05:28.:05:31.

and he says France is at war with Islamic State. He wants a large

:05:32.:05:38.

coalition, his words, working against IS militants who threaten

:05:39.:05:42.

the whole world and commit massacres in the Middle East. Hollande said,

:05:43.:05:50.

we are at war, and a French aircraft carrier is today leaving the French

:05:51.:05:55.

Mediterranean naval port to head for the Middle East region to help

:05:56.:05:59.

Frenchmen literary operations in the Syrian area. -- French military

:06:00.:06:07.

operations. Interestingly, it will be accompanied by a British

:06:08.:06:15.

destroyer which will provide air strike cover for the ship Charles de

:06:16.:06:24.

Gaulle. HMS destroyer will be accompanying it to the region. That

:06:25.:06:33.

second to last question there about Anglo-French Corporation, that will

:06:34.:06:39.

be some of that in action. Ed Buxton says the exchanges between

:06:40.:06:43.

the two leaders began with the House of Commons at its best,

:06:44.:06:45.

statesman-like questions and answers, then it turned, and both

:06:46.:06:49.

leaders let themselves down by playing politics with national

:06:50.:06:52.

security. All wind says, I worry greatly for

:06:53.:06:56.

the Labour Party, it is becoming increasingly evident that there is

:06:57.:06:58.

no alternative to the conservative Government. Gareth says, please

:06:59.:07:03.

challenge the Prime Minister's answer about there being 3800 more

:07:04.:07:08.

neighbourhood police. This is at best wrong, at worst a lie. I am a

:07:09.:07:13.

neighbourhood police officer, and there has been no increase, in fact

:07:14.:07:16.

it is the opposite. Bill Waterman on the same theme, David Cameron is

:07:17.:07:21.

away with the fairies regarding neighbourhood policing. They are

:07:22.:07:26.

calling other offices neighbourhood officers, but they are not walking

:07:27.:07:30.

the streets. Going back to the question I was

:07:31.:07:34.

coming to before PMQs, but before I do, can you give me your overall

:07:35.:07:39.

impression? Yesterday the Prime Minister told the House of Commons

:07:40.:07:43.

he wants to make a case for military action, the most serious they had

:07:44.:07:47.

Prime Minister can do, and Jeremy Corbyn chose not to ask the Prime

:07:48.:07:51.

Minister question on that. It is difficult territory for him, and the

:07:52.:07:54.

Prime Minister gave a full statement yesterday saying what his treasured

:07:55.:07:57.

you would be, but this is one of the most significant thing is a

:07:58.:08:01.

Government can say it wants to do, and the opposition leader due to the

:08:02.:08:04.

strange times we are in chose not to go on that particular question, it

:08:05.:08:10.

was left instead to the leader of the third biggest party, Angus

:08:11.:08:12.

Robertson, the SNP leader at Westminster, to put that question

:08:13.:08:17.

twice about whether or not the government would seek a mandate from

:08:18.:08:20.

the United Nations, and David Cameron said twice he did not

:08:21.:08:23.

believe that he would have to go to the UN. He said it was ideal and

:08:24.:08:28.

preferable, but he didn't say he would do it.

:08:29.:08:32.

We were talking about the kind of appointments Jeremy Corbyn has made,

:08:33.:08:36.

and we went through the list. It has culminated in Ken Livingstone being

:08:37.:08:40.

in charge of the defence review along with the shadow defence

:08:41.:08:45.

spokeswoman. What I was going to ask is, when you look at how provocative

:08:46.:08:48.

some of these appointments are to the centre and right of the Labour

:08:49.:08:52.

Party, is he trying to provoke an early leadership challenge so he get

:08:53.:08:56.

it over with? I asked a member of the Shadow Labour team this morning

:08:57.:08:59.

if they thought that he was trying to force the more southerly to

:09:00.:09:03.

resign. He said, I don't know about that, but suggested that sometimes

:09:04.:09:09.

it feels that way. There is a spectrum of paranoia at one end,

:09:10.:09:12.

saying everything that Jeremy Corbyn is doing is trying to provoke an

:09:13.:09:17.

enormous bust up, a mass exodus of people from the party. But those on

:09:18.:09:24.

the other side say, he is doing is a what he said he said he would always

:09:25.:09:30.

do, appointing a team in his image. On this journey, day by day, the

:09:31.:09:36.

make it work brigade are finding it harder and harder and harder to make

:09:37.:09:43.

it work. The appointment of Ken Livingstone is just the latest in a

:09:44.:09:48.

line of these kinds of things. In the next few weeks, we have got

:09:49.:09:53.

Jeremy Corbyn Lanning to a tend -- planning to attend a Stop the War

:09:54.:10:04.

rally. And next week the Labour Party is trying to ask Labour MPs to

:10:05.:10:08.

abstain on a vote on Trident which is being put forward by the SNP and

:10:09.:10:11.

defy the party's own official policy.

:10:12.:10:16.

You mentioned the continual argy-bargy within the Labour Party.

:10:17.:10:20.

We have had this developing row now between Kevan Jones, speaking on

:10:21.:10:23.

defence the Labour, saying he didn't quite know what Ken Livingstone's

:10:24.:10:29.

credentials were heading up a row of -- a review of the policy. Ken

:10:30.:10:37.

Livingstone said that Mr Jones needed treatment for mental

:10:38.:10:39.

problems, Kevan Jones hit back at him, and now we have Mr Livingstone,

:10:40.:10:43.

all of this happening in one morning. This is what he had to say

:10:44.:10:50.

on LBC. If he apologises for criticising my ability to do this

:10:51.:10:55.

job, perhaps... You have control over your professional capacities.

:10:56.:10:58.

He has no control over his mental health. If he wants to apologise,

:10:59.:11:03.

that is fine. Ken, just say sorry to the man. He suffers from clinical

:11:04.:11:10.

depression, and you cast aspersions on his mental health. He was rude

:11:11.:11:14.

about me. Would you have said the same things about his psychiatric

:11:15.:11:21.

health if you knew that he was a sufferer of depression. Of course I

:11:22.:11:25.

wouldn't. Well, there you go. The next word is sorry, I think. Once he

:11:26.:11:32.

apologises for criticising my appointment, I might be nice.

:11:33.:11:39.

Ken Livingstone just are so ago. Should he apologise? He absolutely

:11:40.:11:46.

should. I hadn't heard confirmation of what he said, but it sends such a

:11:47.:11:51.

damaging message to anybody who is struggling with mental illness

:11:52.:11:53.

around the country, and of course he should apologise. Laura talked about

:11:54.:12:00.

what she graphically called the make it work brigade in the Labour Party

:12:01.:12:03.

beginning to despair. Are you part of the make it work brigade? We are

:12:04.:12:09.

all in the make it work again! So are you beginning to despair as

:12:10.:12:12.

well? Absolutely not. Jeremy Corbyn is ten June -- changing the tone of

:12:13.:12:24.

PMQs, putting forward his plans to cut tackle the cuts in being,

:12:25.:12:29.

working people and difficulties in the steel industry.

:12:30.:12:33.

On the issue of the Russian veto, if we went to the UN and Russia vetoed

:12:34.:12:39.

our attempts to get involved further in the Middle East, would that be

:12:40.:12:44.

the end of it the Labour? It would depend on the deal that Cameron was

:12:45.:12:48.

putting forward, and we have said very clearly, Hilary Benn and Jeremy

:12:49.:12:51.

Corbyn have said we will consider the plan that David Cameron puts

:12:52.:12:55.

forward. At the moment, we have talks going on in Vienna that look

:12:56.:13:01.

like they may make some progress towards a full political and

:13:02.:13:06.

diplomatic settlement in Syria. A full political and diplomatic

:13:07.:13:10.

settlement? Really? It looks like we may make some progress towards

:13:11.:13:15.

that. But if the Russians veto our foreign policy, Labour would go

:13:16.:13:17.

along with that? That is my question? It depends on the plan

:13:18.:13:23.

David Cameron puts forward. He said himself yesterday that simply

:13:24.:13:26.

dropping a few bombs want to transform the situation in Syria. We

:13:27.:13:29.

have been clear that he ought to go to the UN and try to get a mandate

:13:30.:13:34.

faction, but it should only take place as part of a wider plan.

:13:35.:13:38.

Russia are involved in those talks in Vienna, as are we. Should Ken

:13:39.:13:45.

Livingstone, given his failure to apologise to Mr Jones, should he

:13:46.:13:54.

resign from, or indeed be fired from, this defence review? The body

:13:55.:13:59.

that takes action on matters like this is the second of committee. My

:14:00.:14:03.

understanding is they are the body that has appointed him. I was asking

:14:04.:14:07.

for your view. If he doesn't apologise, I would expect that this

:14:08.:14:11.

would go back to the NEC and they would take action, and I would think

:14:12.:14:15.

that would be the right thing to do. He is defying the Labour leader on

:14:16.:14:18.

this. My view is that he should apologise. And if he doesn't? Then

:14:19.:14:25.

it should go back to the National executive committee, and they should

:14:26.:14:30.

take action. What does that mean? I can't pre-empt what they should do.

:14:31.:14:33.

Do you think that they should fire him? My preference would be that he

:14:34.:14:37.

would apologise or they would persuade him to. That would be more

:14:38.:14:43.

productive. If he doesn't? He told us in that clip not to wait for an

:14:44.:14:49.

apology. If he doesn't, would you like the NEC to demand he stepped

:14:50.:14:53.

down? I think it would be very difficult to move forward on the

:14:54.:14:57.

basis on which we currently are without an apology. I think we would

:14:58.:15:01.

have to find a way to bring forward a solution that would mean that

:15:02.:15:09.

those... That body could work together, and I think that doesn't

:15:10.:15:20.

look likely. We go to the Central lobby of the House of Commons, John

:15:21.:15:25.

Woodcock. What you make of Ken Livingstone's refusal to apologise?

:15:26.:15:28.

I think it is really disappointing, and I hope that when the furious

:15:29.:15:33.

this morning has died down and he does reflect on this issue, because

:15:34.:15:40.

Kevan Jones's bravery in speaking out about depression in the House of

:15:41.:15:46.

Commons when no one else really had done that before is what led me to

:15:47.:15:52.

be able to feel able to talk about the depression but I have suffered.

:15:53.:15:58.

And I think it sends a terrible signal that if we say that this is

:15:59.:16:04.

just part of the normal toing and froing of political debate, it

:16:05.:16:09.

isn't. Ken last week said that Maria Eagle was mad if she thought a

:16:10.:16:16.

particular way, and I know that people speak loosely with that kind

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of language, but this was something else. I am not going to get drawn

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into, I thought Lisa spoke really well on this, and I am not into get

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drawn into the issue of whether he should remain as chair, because I

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have big issues with him being chair for different reasons. Then let me

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ask you about them. Mr Livingstone seemly didn't know about Mr Jones's

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depression issues, so let's say that Mr Livingstone isn't necessarily

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anything of an expert on mental health issues. Could you explain to

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our viewers, what are his qualifications, his defence

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expertise? What does he have in that area to head up this defence

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review? I am unable to explain to your viewers that. What has

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concerned... I have concerns about whether the Shadow Defence Secretary

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was properly consulted on this, what were the reasons for him being

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appointed, but that for me is a separate issue to the really serious

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thing about a leading member of the Labour Party who is quite openly

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using inappropriate language around mental health, and then refusing to

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withdraw it. So I think aside from the toing and froing of internal

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Labour Party reviews, which is sometimes hard to excite even Labour

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Party members about, and much more serious issue is that we can speak

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to each other in a decent inhuman way and we can actually make normal

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being able to discuss mental health conditions without them becoming to

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user reviews -- terms of abuse. I understand that, but I take it what

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you're saying is that you don't understand why Jeremy Corbyn has

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appointed Mr Livingstone died at the defence review, even you don't think

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he has any expertise? -- to head up the defence review. I think he has

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kept quiet on that in recent years, that is the most diplomatic thing I

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can say. One final question while we have you. Isn't it a problem for

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your party that on a morning when we are dealing with the aftermath of

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Harris and the ongoing anti-terrorism and the risk to this

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country -- of Paris, that Her Majesty is opposition has been

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sidetracked into essentially slanging match between two Labour

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members? It is not great that this is happening, but be under no doubt

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that while I think hopefully all of us here, certainly myself and

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everyone I know, is absolutely focused on the issue of how we can

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combat Daish, and what we can do beyond our borders to rid the Middle

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East region of this terrible evil, and we will go on doing that. I said

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that was my last, but one more quick one. Given Mr Corbyn's remarks to

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Laura Kuenssberg about shooter killed, his remarks about Jihadi

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John, he should have been arrested rather than eviscerated by a drone,

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given his appointment of Mr Livingstone, do you still have

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confidence in Mr Corbyn is leader of your party? Jeremy Renner aims are

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elected leader with a substantial majority, and that isn't better

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change any time soon. -- remains the elected leader. I hope that we can

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resolve this and be able to work on a better basis that we have been

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doing over the last few days. You optimistic about that or depressed

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by the prospect? I think optimism and depression in the current

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context is not quite how I would describe it. I will keep doing the

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best job I have can my constituents! Thank you for joining

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us. Laura, I have to say as a journalist

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of quite long-standing I have never covered anything like this. For a

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Monday night after Labour Parliamentary meeting I have never

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had conversations like some of the conversations I had with MPs coming

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out of that meeting, crucially not people where we know where they

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stand, one said I feel physically sick, I do not know how much longer

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I can go with this. Feelings are so high. Just as John Woodcock was

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hinting, as he managed his way out of it very diplomatically, Jeremy

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Corbyn's very resounding victory, even for those who think it is not

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sustainable, there is no alternative. There is nobody waiting

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in the wings to rush forward. The question of how this operation

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survives day by day is a very live one and briefly worth mentioning,

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yesterday in the House of Commons most people were focusing on what

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David Cameron said that after David Cameron finished Labour MP after

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Labour MPs stood up and made comments that were in open defiance

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of Jeremy Corbyn. This is not just about rushed conversations with

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journalists, this is starting to happen in public with people not all

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on the right of the party. Given what has happened in the past ten

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minutes you have got a get out of jail card. Given the problems the

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opposition has would not be incumbent on the Prime Minister on

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matters of national importance to be showing more leadership? I think he

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showed of leadership. Labour are in a real muddle and Jeremy Corbyn...

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Come on. I did not ask for your analysis of the Labour Party. We do

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not have the comprehensive strategy on how to handle Syria and we do not

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know whether or not we are going to get a vote in the Commons on this.

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He is going to set out a response to that Foreign Affairs Committee

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report. In the fullness of time. They are working on a strategy. I do

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not accept there is a lack of leadership at all. You saw

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leadership in spades today from David Cameron. You would say that.

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Laura, a busy day for you. Now, every campaign needs a sharp

:22:54.:22:57.

American strategist, and Leave.EU His job is to mastermind

:22:58.:23:00.

its campaign to persuade Britons they are better off without

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the European Union, and we'll be But first, Leave.EU

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have some new polling out today. They asked a sample of British

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voters whether the UK should remain 38% said it should leave,

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with 20% undecided. Leave.EU

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also asked what people feel about 48% said free movement

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makes them feel unsafe. 9% said it makes them feel safe and

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33% said it makes no difference. And who should be the face

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of the anti-EU movement? 26% want the Ukip leader,

:23:46.:23:49.

Nigel Farage, while the London Mayor, Boris

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Johnson is the preference for 13%. Home Secretary Theresa May is

:23:52.:23:54.

the third favourite. And Leave.EU's

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Gerry Gunster joins us now. Welcome. You face and back uphill

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struggle if you look at that showing that more people want to remain in

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the EU. We do. There is something inherent about referendums, which is

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one of the reasons why I am working here with Leave.EU and that is that

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most people when it comes to referendums want to vote to keep the

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status quo. You see for example in the United States 60% of all

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referendums and initiatives fail. Because people do not want to make

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the change. However, there is precedent and there are a lot of

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times when people will go that way. Look at it like a game of billiards,

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this is a double blank shot. We have to be able to convince people there

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is a problem and secondly sure that there is a solution to that problem.

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Billiards? Would your double pronged attack be focused on immigration or

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economics or both? I think it is a combination of all of the above. The

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polling is showing that they are three issues. Immigration, the

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economy and the issue of whether we should have the right to make our

:25:35.:25:38.

own laws hear in the UK as opposed to having it come out of the EU.

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What should be central? The EU principle of free movement, perhaps

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unsurprisingly at the moment 9% of people feel safe, bearing in mind

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the context of what has been happening, 48% feel unsafe, is that

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where you are going to focus? Immigration is the number 1 issue,

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no question. The economy is number two. That does not mean that as the

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weight is going to be in six months a year. These referendums are

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extremely volatile. Use that in Greece and Scotland, numbers were

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all over the place. Tomorrow it could be something else. We have got

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Labour MP John man who is in the House of Commons. He is in the

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Central Lobby of the House of Commons. Given everything that has

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happened in recent days about Labour's response to national

:26:39.:26:43.

security and defence, from the Labour's office, do you still have

:26:44.:26:47.

confidence in Jeremy Corbyn as leader of your party? I have total

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faith and confidence as does everyone in the Parliamentary party

:26:53.:26:56.

in Hilary Benn who is leading for us on it, who has spelt out our policy

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on should to kill, who has spelt out our policy on intervention in

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Syria, and everybody including Jeremy is having to come in behind

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Hilary Benn who has been given the lead and as long as Hillary

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continues to give the lead in this way we are all going to be very

:27:14.:27:18.

happy because we are in the right place. You have confidence in Hilary

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Benn but not in the leader of the Labour Party? Jeremy has confidence

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in Hilary as well so that is good news. Hillary speaks for the Labour

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Party on matters relating to defence. That has been very clear.

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Hillary answered the questions that the Parliamentary party on Monday.

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That is the right approach. It is sensible for Jeremy, to allow

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Hillary to lead and he has done and Hillary has done it exceedingly

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well. What Hillary has said I agree with. You have not been able to

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bring yourself to see that you have confidence in the leader of the

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Labour Party. I have a huge amount of confidence in Jeremy allowing

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Hilary Benn to lead on Syria and for him to spell out the policy. That is

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what he has done. Confidence in them both. We want Hilary Benn leading

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the way. Not Jeremy Corbyn. Hilary Benn is leading and that is the

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right thing to do and it is succeeding because we can unite

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behind what he is saying. Thank you. We only have a few seconds. That is

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open warfare. It is not. He is perfectly entitled to say that. We

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have a leader and Shadow Foreign Secretary who have set out the same

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approach on stock to kill. Do you have confidence in Jeremy Corbyn? Of

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course. He could not bring himself to say that. You have had members of

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the Labour Party agreeing. There's just time to put you out

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of your misery and give you The key was the launch of sky

:29:03.:29:05.

television. Use me in the picture. The One O'Clock News is

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starting over on BBC One now. I'll be here

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at noon tomorrow with all the big The knives are sharpened,

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and the heat is on...

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