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Dramatic events in Paris this morning as French police carry out

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a massive anti-terrorist operation following the attacks last Friday.

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Armed units moved in early this morning, resulting

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One female suspect reportedly blew herself up.

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Another man is also said to have been killed.

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The French government says the operation is now over.

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David Cameron promises a "comprehensive strategy"

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to deal with the threat posed by the so-called Islamic State.

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So will that mean an imminent vote on extending

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Jeremy Corbyn faces open revolt within the Labour Party over

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his stance on military action and dealing with the terrorist threat.

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Can the Labour leader reassert his authority at PMQs today?

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This is New York City. No one tells us what neighbourhood to live in,

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what team to root for or what Delhi to eat cat.

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And slick American campaign techniques are now de rigeur

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We speak to the American strategist who hopes to

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All that in the 90 minutes, and with us for the whole of the programme

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today, the Environment Minister, George Eustice, and the Shadow

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Let's start with the dramatic events in Paris this

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morning where armed police raided a flat in the suburb of Saint Denis

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in an operation linked to Friday's terrorist attacks.

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One female suspect blew herself up and another man was killed.

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Five police officers were hurt and at least five people were

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We can bring you some pictures of this now just as they come in. Saint

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Denis is in that part of Paris, you see it on the way in on the

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Eurostar, it is on the left. The National Stadium, the Stade de

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France is also in this part, where two suicide bombers blew themselves

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up on Friday night. These are not live pictures, but they are very

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recent. This operation was launched at about 4am local time, and

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involved over 100 police backed up by the army. The army now on the

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streets in Paris for the first time in living memory in a sense of being

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involved in anti-terrorist operations. If you have been to

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Paris recently, you see the police around the Eiffel Tower, government

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buildings, but the Army this morning involved in this anti-terrorist

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operation. The police paramilitaries took the force of this, and it looks

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like it was successful from the French police point of view. They

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were very anxious, although it was a siege situation, to catch and get at

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least one of the people they were after a live, because so many of

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those involved on Friday night's atrocity either killed themselves

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all were killed by the police as they were trying to take control

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again. But they have now got somebody, at least one, perhaps two

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people involved, who will now face interrogation from the French

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security services. These live pictures coming in from Saint Denis

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in Paris at what looks like the end of the anti-terrorist operation in

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that particular part of Harris. JoCo.

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That operation which had been going on all morning does look finished.

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We had reports that some of the officers were taking off their

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helmets, which looked as if they had got everybody they wanted to get.

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There are also reports this morning that have not been confirmed that

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the people holed up in that apartment were planning some sort of

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attack on La Defence, the districts to the West.

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Clearly a dangerous operation, with the police themselves suffering

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casualties, we don't think any fatalities. And a police dog was

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injured as well, we are told. The Prime Minister has promised to

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present a "comprehensive strategy" to deal

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with the so-called Islamic State. David Cameron told Parliament

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yesterday that he would respond personally to

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a sceptical report from the Commons Foreign Affairs Committee

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published earlier this month. Mr Cameron believes that

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the terrorist atrocities in Paris have strengthened the case

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for air strikes in Syria and reports today suggest he could seek a

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Parliamentary vote before Christmas. Though Downing Street this morning

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began to play that down a bit. But will he be able to

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win over sceptical MPs? Earlier this month the Foreign

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Affairs Select Committee urged David Cameron not to press ahead with

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a vote on UK air strikes against It said any benefits would be more

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than outweighed by the risks of "legal ambiguity, political chaos

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on the ground, military The committee urged the

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Prime Minister to focus instead on The UK is already taking part

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in air strikes against IS targets in Iraq, at the

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request of the Iraqi government. On Monday RAF Tornados attacked a

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group of more than 30 IS fighters who were preparing an attack

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on Kurdish forces near Sinjar. There have already been targeted UK

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drone strikes in Syria after British born jihadis Reyaad Khan and Ruhul

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Amin were killed in Raqqa in August. It was ruled lawful as an act

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of self-defence. But for David Cameron, extending to

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full air strikes is more tricky, In 2013 Parliament voted on

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whether to take military action The Government lost 282

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against to 272 in favour. Andrew. George Eustis, if the Prime

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Minister now thinks it is right to take the water Syria, why doesn't he

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get on with it? We are acting in Iraq at the moment, and big progress

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is being made. But the Prime Minister has always been clear that

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there will only be action in Syria if there is support for it.

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Why? There isn't a constitutional need for it. The Prime Minister said

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that we do need to have a clear strategy, a broad strategy that

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looks at counter-terrorism, and community cohesion at home. He is

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going to respond directly. So why haven't we got it? This has been a

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long time coming, we have seen this coming. There is no surprise, there

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is only the timing. We have known, even the downing of the Russian

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passenger jet over Sinai was a clear sign that Islamic State was

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operating and out of area. Terrorist capability. So why have we not yet

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had the Prime Minister's Hanson for dealing with it? The Prime Minister

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would have been able to get air strikes in Syria in the last

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parliament, but the Labour Party would support that. Some of your own

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side wouldn't. They wouldn't. Would you support it? I would. I would

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have supported intervention against Assad in 2013 we could have brought

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this civil war to an earlier conclusion. And I certainly support

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action in Syria now. You should be willing to go after Isil wherever

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they are. The Royal United services Institute, an independent think

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tank, has said that while the parliamentary manoeuvring

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continues, the UK's reputation as a reliable military partner is being

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undermined. It is right, isn't it? I would prefer it if we had voted to

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go into action in Syria at the end of the last Parliament. Why not do

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it and throw yourself, at some stage of labour... If you do it because

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the Government thinks it is the right thing to do, and Labour puts

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down a motion of no confidence, then you live or fall by the vote in the

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Commons. Do the right thing. I think it is right on matters of military

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intervention that we seek a Parliamentary consensus for it. The

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Prime Minister has always said that that was what we would do. Is it

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always true on every possible military action that Britain will

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take, that there needs to be a Parliamentary consensus? When you

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are talking about a sustained air campaign, then yes, he feels he

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should have parliamentary backing for that. The answer is not to

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sidestep Parliament, it is to persuade Parliament that this is the

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right thing to do. But he is not. Why is he taking so long to reply?

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The select committee report was iffy about extending the war. There were

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lots of arguments for not doing it as well as there are strong

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arguments were doing it. Why is the Prime Minister taking so long to

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reply? He said he's going to reply to it directly personally. The key

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thing they ask forward is to say that they needed a coherent wider

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strategy that included how we bring the civil war in Syria to an end.

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And when we get to get back? He says he is going to make that response

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himself. I understand there is some difficulty in answering these

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questions. What about this one. Do you think it would be right, given

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what we have seen unfold on the streets of Paris, and given that our

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own intelligence services believe it is only a matter of time before

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something almost as terrible or just as terrible happens on the streets

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of written, -- Britain, that this Government should continue to cut

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police numbers? You have seen this week the Government announced that

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is going to double the budget on dealing with cyber crime, an extra

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1900 personnel... That is not police numbers. No, but the

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counter-terrorism element of the police budget was protected in the

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last Parliament, and it will be protected again in this one. Except

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that there has been a clear-cut in the Home Office's budget, and the

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head of the London Met says that the cuts that are still to come, another

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5000 officers will have to go, from a 32,000 strong police force in the

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capital. We will have to wait until they get the spending review

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decisions to know exactly how much the police will be asked to save,

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and it would be over four years. Let me just give you the figures from

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the ISS. Public spending on police was cut by 14% in real terms between

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2010 and 2014 /15. And now it faces further cut at a time when we faced

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Robert Blake the biggest terrorist threat this country has ever faced,

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even bigger than the IRA now if Paris is anything to go by. Does

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that make sense to continue cutting? Within the budget, you

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would prioritise things like counter-terrorism. You prioritised

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overseas aid. The point is on the police that crime has gone down in

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the last five years. Policing is changing. That is a Europe-wide

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phenomenon, as you know. Policing is changing, there is more emphasis on

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things like cyber crime, and we have doubled the budget on that, and an

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extra ?2 billion going into special forces. Contrary to reports in the

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media, special forces are not patrolling the streets. How many

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armed police can France deployed within one hour of a terrorist

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attack? I don't know. 120,000. How many armed police could Britain

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deploy within an hour? An absolute maximum of 6000. 6000 versus

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120,000, and you thinking next week's, rancid review you would we

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seem to be in touch with this country if you continue to cut

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police budget? Within the budget, you prioritise where there is

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greatest to public safety. Thank you Ray much.

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A bitter row has broken out in the Labour Party over the renewal of

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Ken Livingstone, an opponent of the nuclear deterrent, has been put

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in joint charge of a review to help decide Labour's position on it.

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When a Shadow Defence Minister who's suffered with depression questioned

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his suitability for the role, Mr Livingstone's reported to have

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said he "might need some psychiatric help".

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Why has he been appointed? My understanding is that when the NEC

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met recently, they made a joint decision that they would move our

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work streams down into six key areas, and one of those is foreign

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affairs and defence. That will obviously include the Trident

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review. That work is being led by Maria Eagle, our Shadow Secretary of

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State for Defence, but she will co-chair that body with Ken

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Livingstone, who is a member of the NEC. That model as a model they have

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adopted across the six work streams. One member of the Shadow Cabinet,

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one member of the NEC. But you now have a Shadow Defence Secretary who

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is in favour of the renewal of Trident, and Ken Livingstone

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chairing this review alongside her who doesn't. Can you understand why

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she is reported to be furious? She didn't know, she wasn't told, she

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had a mention with Jeremy Corbyn last week and she wasn't told about

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the possibility of Ken Livingstone heading up this review. My

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understanding is that this decision was made by the National executive

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committee, not Jeremy Corbyn. Do you understand why she is furious and

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feels undermined? I haven't spoken to Maria, so I don't know if that is

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how she feels or not. This is a model that we have adopted across

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the board, and it is not new. We are democratic organisation, and we

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allow all sides to put their points of view. Tessa Jarl was the chair of

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Ken Livingstone's campaign when he ran to America London, to back --

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two people from different backgrounds working together. But if

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you're shadow secretary is reportedly thinking of resigning, it

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isn't working, is it? I can't tell you what she thinks, because I

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haven't seen her. Is Ken Livingstone suitable for that role if he says

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about one of his critics, Kevin Jones, Junior Shadow defence

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Minister, that he should see his GP, that he should see a

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psychiatrist? This is a man who had a battle with depression? Is that

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appropriate? If that is what is said, of course it isn't. In

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politics, nobody should be speaking to each other like that. We have had

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insults hurled across the House of Commons, and it is not the right way

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to talk about each other, but these are hugely serious issues, not just

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about Trident, but also because of the conversation we were just having

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because of the imminent threat posed by Isil, and it is right that the

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Labour Party is trying to engage in a democratic process engages

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different points of view. There are different views across this across

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the country. But this is about judgment and the judgment of the

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leader of the Labour Party. Her Majesty is my loyal opposition, and

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his judgment will be called into question if he has appointed someone

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like Ken Livingstone who has made comments like that about a fellow

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MP. The NEC made a joint decision. Is

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that appropriate for Ken Livingstone to say that? If he says about a

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Parliamentary colleague, although Ken Livingstone is not in

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Parliament, that somebody suffering from depression should go and see

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his GP. I cannot confirm he has said it. Should Ken Livingstone

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apologise? I do not think anybody in politics should be making comments

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like that. We ought to be having a proper debate about the way in which

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we keep people safe in this country. Is that the way to conduct

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the debate? It is also reported that he has called Maria eagle mad for

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believing that Trident is worth spending ?20 billion on? If it is

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going to be a grown-up debate is Ken Livingstone the man to lead that

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debate? I cannot comment on that because I have not seen it. Kevin

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Jones has actually responded and saying however ended tears. Labour

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MPs are all over social media as saying how outraged they are about

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these comments and if he has been appointed to this very important

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role, is that the sort of debate we can expect? Absolutely not. The sort

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of debate we ought to be having as we ought to be respectful to one

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another and concede there are different points of view. Should he

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go? My understanding is that is why these bodies have been constituted a

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this way so that different opinions are taken into account. Are you

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happy for Ken Livingstone to continue in that role? I am not

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going to comment having not seen anything that you have just read out

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to me. I do not think that is the right way to conduct politics

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either. I will look at what he said and take a view. Nobody should be

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saying to anybody in any political party that they need to seek

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psychiatric help and if that is what has been said of course he should

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apologise. Should Jeremy Corbyn's judgment be cold into question after

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making that decision without consulting his Shadow Defence

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Secretary? The national executive committee which is drawn from across

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the Labour Party... She did not even know. Was he right to accept the

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decision by the NEC for Ken Livingstone to run that review? We

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are a democratic party and decisions are made through the NEC which is

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our ruling body. In terms of the town which Jeremy Corbyn has said

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since he became leader, it has been respectful, kinder, straighter with

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people. None of that sounds very kind respectful. That is my point.

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This is watchable see from Jeremy Corbyn. That is how he expects us to

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conduct debate. There is no sense in which anybody should be hurling

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insults at anybody else and if that has happened we ought to take a

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strong line. How strong should that might be? Jeremy Corbyn said unity

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would be Labour's watchword. This looks the exact opposite. Unity

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should be our watchword but within that we ought to be having

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respectful and open debate about issues that are incredibly complex,

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whether it is Isil and the situation in Syria, responding to Paris,

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issues about police cuts or Trident, these are complex questions and it

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is right that we have a debate but we must do that respectfully. When

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there is a Trident debate next week they will not be an agreed

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position? No. We are having a review. There are different views

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across the Labour Party as across the country. That is the purpose of

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the view. -- review. One person wants Trident and one person does

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not. They might represent different views. At some stage there has to be

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settled view from the opposition. When? The review is ongoing for

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several months. We have announced the two co-chairman of the details

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will be set out quite quickly. Jeremy has set out his personal view

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but he has to persuade the rest of the party of that. We are a

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democratic member led organisation and will have that debate and come

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to consensus about the right way forward but it is right to ask the

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question in relation to Trident, should we be spending this much of

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our defence budget on keeping us they've when the threat we face

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comes from organisations like Isil? You disagree with the Shadow Defence

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Secretary? I have not come to a set of view. I want to have that

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conversation. I would much rather have a leader who is willing to

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listen to all points of view than a Prime Minister who has taken a

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stance and will not admit there are competing priorities. All 129

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fatalities from the terrorist attacks on Friday have been

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identified. Scores of nationalities involved than people of all

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backgrounds, ethnic persuasions and so on, in the atrocities, of the

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129. The Paris prosecutor has told journalists it is unclear whether

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the alleged organiser of the attacks has been picked up in that police

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raid. They are not clear whether they managed to get him.

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Yes, Prime Minister's Questions is on its way.

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The first Prime Minister's Questions since the attacks in Paris. Probably

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more important today for Jeremy Corbyn. I doubt there will be much

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crowd sourcing of questions from Jeremy Corbyn today. The BBC's

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political editor is here. Starting with the government, lots of reports

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that David Cameron was moving towards a vote, that it looked as if

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he was going to take the plunge, get his ducks in a row, and I understand

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there has been a ring back. David Cameron will not put a vote to the

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House of Commons unless he is sure he can win it comfortably. This is

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not something the government wants to look like they have sneaked

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through. They might do not want to walk into the lobby is on the night

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of the potential vote that it is that so little going to happen. This

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is not going to be on a knife edge and if it seems like it is he will

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not do it. How does he tell? His whips can tell him how many Tories

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are going to vote for him and how many rebels he faces, they cannot

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tell him what the Labour Party is going to do. One of those theories

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doing the rounds is that the government may ask Labour MPs who

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are interested in voting for action, maybe as many as 50, to put

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something in writing, to give them something kind of guarantee or

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public statement that they will back the government. Do not underestimate

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how bruised ministers feel by what they see as Ed Miliband's betrayal

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on a very different vote, action in Syria in 2013. They will be looking

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for something that looks like a guarantee. Whether or not that

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mechanism of the public written statement comes as not a question

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that is yet settled but they are looking for solid things that they

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know they can take to the House and win comfortably. It looks like it

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might be by a slow and it will not happen -- if it does. To be sure he

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is dependent and it is a very difficult time because... To use the

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word chaos in the Labour Party would not be an exaggeration. Mr Jones is

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a shadow defence spokesman for the defence party and was attacked by

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Ken Livingstone who is heading up a review on defence policy and he has

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responded. People can have political differences but to use mental

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illness as a tool to attack somebody you disagree with on a political

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issue is disgraceful. Jeremy Corbyn has worked very hard alongside other

:27:54.:28:01.

members of Parliament to take the stigma away from mental illness and

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Ken Livingstone's comments sure we have a long way to go. His comments

:28:07.:28:10.

are in the dark ages frankly and that is where they should stay. The

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internal civil war continues. The war of words. Chris Leslie who was

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the former Shadow Chancellor has called on Ken Livingstone to resign

:28:24.:28:27.

from the defence review and possibly from Labour's ruling committee the

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national executive committee. What has happened in the last few days is

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very significant. We have always known there were big differences

:28:38.:28:40.

between the Parliamentary Labour Party and Jeremy Corbyn but what we

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have seen as those tensions smash up against one thing real. What

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happened in Paris and how Jeremy Corbyn has responded to it has

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caused a great deal of concern not just among those who could be

:28:53.:28:57.

dismissed as Blairite but amongst moderates in the Labour Party. For

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Jeremy Corbyn supporters the kind of things he has been saying is exactly

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why he won. He does not believe that violence is the answer to the

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problems we face in this country and he believes Western intervention is

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partly responsible for what has been happening. When the government wants

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military action you have the Labour Party having a really damaging fight

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amongst themselves. At a time when the Labour Party seems to be at

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sixes and sevens on key issues of national security there is no sense

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that Jeremy Corbyn is trying to reach out to the middle or the

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rights of his party. Appointing Ken Livingstone is the exact opposite.

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Indeed. For many Labour MPs the phrase that Kevin Jones uses, that

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it is something from the dark ages, that is what many people in the

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Labour Party remember, fights in the 1980s, and think that people

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involved in those are back and telling them what to do. This is a

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real clash of ideology. It is a real clash of the sort of street fighting

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politics. There is a battle. It is chaotic but it is a fight for the

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soul of who they really are and who they represent. In the last few days

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Jeremy Corbyn supporters repeatedly unjustifiably talk about the

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mandate, more and more MPs talking about the mandate that they got from

:30:28.:30:31.

voters that the general election, 9 million voters, seeing that it is

:30:32.:30:38.

different frame in terms of Jeremy Corbyn's mandate. Ken Livingstone's

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appointment comes after a number of appointments. Mr McDonald as the

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Shadow Chancellor. Even the unions were not keen on that. This policy

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adviser who described various Labour people as scumbags. Andrew Fletcher.

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Seamus Milne from The Guardian. Mr Livingstone in defence policy. The

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question will have to wait because we are going to the Commons.

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Mr Speaker, may I associate myself and the whole house with what the

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Government have said about the attacks in Paris. People in

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Blackpool were among those murdered on a Tunisian beach, and our tower

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was lit in red white and blue for those killed by terrorist in France.

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I raised an issue about neighbourhood policing and security

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being threatened by the scale of proposed cuts, and the Lancashire

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funding formula which has now been admitted to be flawed. Can I reflect

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him -- asking to reflect on the words, when facts change, change my

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mind, and when local intelligence can be crucial against, perhaps this

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isn't the time to jeopardise it with arbitrary Treasury cuts. I thank the

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honourable gentleman for what he says about Paris and the importance

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of the whole house coming together over this issue, and perhaps the

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house would like a brief update. One British and, Nick Alexander, was

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killed at the Bataclan Theatre. Three other British National Party

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now been released from hospital and returned to the UK. The Foreign

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Office and red cross of providing support for at least another 15

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nationals for trauma. We will be providing support for all of those

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affected by what happened. There has been news from France this morning

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in terms of terrorist arrests, and I can say more about that later on. On

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policing, what I would say to the honourable gentleman is that we have

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quite rightly in this Parliament protected counter-terrorism

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policing. We are going to protect that again in this Parliament. What

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we have done in terms of policing otherwise is we have seen an

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increase in neighbourhood officers over the course of the parliament,

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and a 31% cut in crime. Let me commend the police, not just

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counter-terrorism police but all police, for the work they do, and we

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will announce our proposals next week. Mr Speaker, as our hearts go

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out to the people of France at this time, will the Prime Minister agree

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with me that the first duty of Her Majesty is government must be to

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protect British citizens from harm? So will he take immediate action to

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secure our UK borders from those who threaten our nation, and on security

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grounds alone, restore complete sovereignty over our British borders

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from the European Union? I think my honourable friend raises a very

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important question, and I want to explain in answering a very

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important point, which is because the UK is not only Schengen Area, we

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already retain full control over who is entering our country, and we are

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able to check all entrants at the border, EU nationals and EEA

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nationals included. On the house might be interested to know that

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since 2010 we have refused entry to almost 6000 EU national, and many of

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these were stopped at our border controls in Calais. In terms of

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other people we have stopped, since 2010 we had denied entry to nearly

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19 -- 95,000 people, and one of the principal reasons for not letting

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people in is national security concerns. We have that situation

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already because we are not in the Schengen Area.

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THE SPEAKER: Mr Jeremy Corbyn. I want to start, Mr Speaker, by

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expressing the horror of all those on this side of the house at the

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events in Paris on Friday evening, and our concern you'd -- continued

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solidarity with all victims, whether they be in Paris, Beirut, Ankara,

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Damascus or anywhere in the world. We know that at least one British

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and has been killed, and many more injured. Many British people live

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and work in Paris, millions visit Paris and France every year. Can the

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Prime Minister continue what he was saying earlier in response to my

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friend the member from Blackpool in terms of giving support to the

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British affected by the attacks, and what the Government's latest advices

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on travelling to France and our need to show the best possible normality

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in relations with the French people? I thank the Leader of the

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Opposition for his remarks and I say what a pleasure it was to be with

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him last night at the England-France football match, where I thought

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there was a tremendous display of solidarity. I'm sure they can say in

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the Marseille is louder in the Stade de France, but I was proud to be

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there. There is never any justification for terrorism, and we

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can all be clear about that at all times. He asked specifically what we

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could do more to help British people caught up in his problems. Peter

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Ricketts, our ambassador in France, is doing a brilliant job, and I'm

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keeping my eye closely on the consular situation. In terms of

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travel advice, it is all on the Foreign Office website, but I agree

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with him, the most important thing is for people to carry on with their

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lives. It is important that the Eurostar continues to function,

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flights continue to go, people continue to travel to enjoy London

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and Paris and go about our business. Yes we need enhanced security, and

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that is happening with the way that the police are acting here in the UK

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and elsewhere, but one of the ways to defeat terrorism is to show them

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that we will not be cowed. We know that sadly after such atrocities as

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we have seen, intolerance often increases. Islamophobia,

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anti-Semitism, racism. Will the Prime Minister agree with me that it

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is vital that everyone in public life, particularly politicians, are

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careful about how we discuss these issues, and will he also join with

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me in making it very clear that the dreadful events of terrorism in

:37:34.:37:36.

Paris have nothing in common whatsoever with the 2 million

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British Muslims in this country who are as appalled as anyone else by

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the events in Paris last Friday? I will happily join the right

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honourable gentleman in that. Some of the strongest and best statements

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have been made by a whole series of magician Muslims coming together to

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say that these attacks are in no way carried out in their name. But I do

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think it raises an important issue, which cannot be said often enough,

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that these watches of Isil are no reflection of the true religion of

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Islam, which is a religion of peace. But at the same time, we do have to

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recognise that whether these terrorists are in Tunisia or Egypt

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or Paris or London they spout the same bile that they claim comes from

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the religion of Islam, and that is why we have to take apart what they

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say and prove that that is not the case. It is not good enough to say

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there is no connection between these terrorist and Islam, they are making

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a connection. We need to prove that it is not right, and the support of

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Muslim scholars is absolutely vital and I commend them for their work.

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Surely a crucial way to help defeat Isil is to cut off its funding, its

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supply of arms and its trade. Can I press the Prime Minister to ensure

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that our allies in the region and all countries in the region are

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doing all they can to clamp down on individuals and institutions in

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their countries who are providing Isil with vital infrastructure, and

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will he, through the European Union and other forums if necessary,

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consider sanctions against those banks and companies and if necessary

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countries who turn a blind eye to financial dealings with Isil which

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assist them in their work? We do play a leading role, as I said

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yesterday, in making sure that the supply of money and weapons and

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support is cut off, but I think we should be clear about where Isil got

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their money from originally. What happened was that because we didn't

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have a Government in Iraq that effectively represented all of its

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people, and because in Syria you have a leader who is butchering his

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own people, Isil was able to get hold of oil, get hold of weapons,

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get hold of territory, get hold of banks, and it is that that they have

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been able to use in order to fund their hatred and violence, and so we

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cannot dodge for ever the question of how to degrade and destroy Isil

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both in Iraq and in Syria, and that is why I will be setting out my

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response to the foreign affairs select committee. So yes, go after

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the money, the banks, cut off their supplies, but don't make that a

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substitute for the action that is required to beat these people where

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they are. Next week the Chancellor will

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present his Autumn Statement stood a house. Can the prime and is to

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clarify something about the source of the necessary extra funding to be

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set out for the security services which we support. Will it come at

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the expense of other areas, either within the Home Office budget or a

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win in other areas of public spending, or from new funding? Does

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he want to go on longer so that the Chancellor can explain the answer to

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him? We will set out in full our decisions next week, but we have

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already said that we will be funding an increase in the security services

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of 1900 personnel, safeguarding the counterterrorism budget, and we will

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be seeing an increase in terms of aviation security. All of this is

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part of an overall spending settlement. At the same time as

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funding our security, increasing our defence spending, we have to make

:41:17.:41:20.

decisions that eradicate our budget deficit and keep our economy strong.

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We don't do that just for the common -- current generation, we do it for

:41:28.:41:31.

our children and grandchildren, because none of these things, not

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even strong defence, is possible without a strong economy. I am not

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sure where the money is coming from following the Prime Minister's

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answer, but no doubt it will come. London has been targeted by

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terrorists before, and this weekend was Mike events in Paris have

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focused attention not just on London but also other cities throughout the

:41:52.:41:57.

whole of Britain. Policing plays a vital role in community cohesion,

:41:58.:42:00.

gathering intelligence of those who may be about to be a risk to all of

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us. But this is surely undermined if we cut the number of police officers

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by 5000. Does the Prime Minister agree with the commission of the

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Metropolitan Police, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, who said, I quote, I

:42:15.:42:18.

genuinely worry about safety of London if the cuts go through on

:42:19.:42:22.

this scale? The right honourable gentleman asks where the money comes

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from. We on this side of the house never forget that every penny we

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spend comes from taxpayers. Borrowed money is simply taxes that are

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deferred, and that is why it is so important to eradicate our deficit

:42:39.:42:41.

at the same time as making sure we find our security intelligence

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services and police properly. We are protecting the counterterrorism

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budget. We see a 3800 increasing neighbourhood police officers in the

:42:51.:42:53.

last parliament at the same time as a 31% increase in -- 31% cut in

:42:54.:43:00.

crime. The Shadow Home Secretary has said that a 10% efficiency target

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for the police is doable. Is the Leader of the Opposition saying that

:43:06.:43:08.

he doesn't agree with his Shadow Home Secretary? There does seem to

:43:09.:43:11.

be a little bit of disagreement on the opposition front bench today.

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I have a question from a taxpayer, actually. And his name is John, and

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he says, at a time... LAUGHTER

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SHOUTING. At a time when we are facing the

:43:32.:43:42.

greatest threat from terrorism ever faced, police numbers and resources

:43:43.:43:46.

are cut. Demands on the police have been increasing steadily as budgets

:43:47.:43:49.

are slashed, increasing stress on officers. Couple that with

:43:50.:43:54.

detrimental changes to their pay, terms, conditions and pensions, it

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is no wonder that morale in the police force is so poor, one in

:43:58.:44:01.

three are considering leaving the force. Will he be able to tell us

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whether or not this community policing and other police budgets

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are protected or not in next week's Autumn Statement?

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Let me tell him again, neighbourhood policing numbers have gone up by

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3800. In the capital city, we have seen a 500% increase in

:44:23.:44:26.

neighbourhood policing. We have also, because we have cut

:44:27.:44:29.

bureaucracy, but the equivalent of an extra 2000 police on the streets.

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But I will tell the Leader of the Opposition something. As well as

:44:35.:44:36.

wanting resources, the police want the appropriate powers. And hasn't

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come to something when the leader of Her Majesty Osman opposition thinks

:44:44.:44:46.

that the police when fronted by a Kalashnikov waving terrorist isn't

:44:47.:44:46.

sure what the reaction should be! Mr Speaker, the attacks on Paris

:44:47.:45:01.

were quite clearly an attack on all of us. Does the Prime Minister agree

:45:02.:45:06.

that our resolve must be unbreakable? We should hunt down

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Isil wherever it is operating, wherever it is planning, wherever it

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is plotting, and if that means shoot to kill, then so be it, and if that

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means action in Syria, then so be it. I think my Hywel Poole friend is

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right. What I have said is that in order to respond to this very severe

:45:29.:45:33.

threat that we face, we need focus on counterterrorism here in the

:45:34.:45:36.

United Kingdom giving our intelligence agencies the laws they

:45:37.:45:39.

need, giving our police the powers they need, and making sure we are

:45:40.:45:44.

vigilant. We need counter extremism as we were discussing earlier, the

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importance of stopping the poisoning of these young minds, not least

:45:48.:45:49.

through these radical preachers on the Internet. But we also need to

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stop the problems at their source. We know where much of this problem

:45:56.:45:59.

is coming from. It is Isil, not just in Iraq, but in Syria. What I said

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to the house yesterday is I will prepare a detailed report to

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demonstrate that we do have a clear strategy of bringing in the

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neighbourhood powers, bringing in the regional powers, building a

:46:13.:46:16.

future for these countries and stability in the least, but I

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believe part of that is taking action against Isil wherever it is.

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In the wake of terrorist outrages and the ongoing civil war in Syria

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it is very welcome that there is significant diplomatic progress in

:46:34.:46:37.

trying to find a solution to the Syrian crisis. The UK joined the

:46:38.:46:42.

United States and France and Russia and Iran at talks in Vienna at the

:46:43.:46:47.

weekend and all signed a communique committing progress through the

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United Nations. Will he confirm that he will support a UN Security

:46:52.:46:55.

Council resolution on this before seeking to intervene Mellitah rally

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in Syria? I am grateful for asking this question. Russia has different

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aims to ours and have obediently threatened to veto any such

:47:08.:47:14.

resolution. -- repeatedly. It is always preferential to have the full

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backing of the United Nations Security Council but what matters

:47:19.:47:23.

most of all is that any action we would take would both be legal and

:47:24.:47:27.

would help protect our country and our people right here. You cannot

:47:28.:47:34.

outsource to a Russian veto the decisions we need to debar country

:47:35.:47:45.

safe. The first survey of UK public opinion on military intervention

:47:46.:47:48.

since the Paris attacks has shown 52% believe that the UK should

:47:49.:47:54.

engage with all countries to coordinate an appropriate response

:47:55.:47:59.

Mellitah Relay or otherwise backed by United Nations resolution and

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only 15% believe the UK should independently launch our strikes.

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Will he commit to giving a commitment to secure a UN Security

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Council resolution, which the UK and Russia agreed to? I could not be

:48:16.:48:24.

clearer. Of course it is or was preferential in whatever action you

:48:25.:48:28.

are taking, whether lifting people out of the Mediterranean or taking

:48:29.:48:37.

action in the Middle East against Isil, it is always preferential to

:48:38.:48:43.

have a you, United Nations Security Council resolution but is they are

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threatened with veto again and again my job is not to read an opinion

:48:49.:48:52.

poll but to do the right thing to debar country safe. -- keep our. The

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French armed police, who stormed the Bataclan and killed those vile

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murderous scum are heroes and so are the British armed forces who protect

:49:15.:49:19.

our public spaces and people. Will the Prime Minister sent a note of

:49:20.:49:22.

unequivocal support to those officers on patrol and ensure that

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in the review next week they have the resources they need to keep us

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safe? I absolutely agree. We ask the police every day to take risks on

:49:35.:49:39.

our behalf and let me thank the police who policed so effectively

:49:40.:49:42.

the game at Wembley last night. In terms of the French police the House

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would welcome an update. We have seen the news of an operation in

:49:48.:49:55.

Paris, two suspects have died, seven arrests made, this operation has

:49:56.:50:01.

finished. We should all bravery of the French police handling with what

:50:02.:50:06.

is a very challenging situation. I. I hope that can be consensus right

:50:07.:50:10.

across the House. If we are confronted with a situation like

:50:11.:50:14.

this the British police should not be in any doubt. If you have a

:50:15.:50:19.

terrorist who is threatening to kill people you can and must use force.

:50:20.:50:27.

-- lethal force. President Obama said I have emphasised the

:50:28.:50:30.

importance of tax credits to help working families afford childcare

:50:31.:50:35.

and keep families in the workplace. Does he agree with the importance

:50:36.:50:38.

the president of the United States has attached to tax credits? What is

:50:39.:50:43.

important is that we do the best we can to help low-paid people and that

:50:44.:50:48.

is why we are taking people out of income tax. 3 million of the lowest

:50:49.:50:52.

paid taken out of income tax since I became Prime Minister. An ?11,000

:50:53.:50:58.

threshold before B will have to start paying tax at all. Helping

:50:59.:51:03.

working families with childcare, helping a national Living Wage

:51:04.:51:08.

starting next year, something I suspect President Obama would love

:51:09.:51:11.

to introduce in the United States. We are doing it here. Integrating

:51:12.:51:20.

health and social care would be a great prize for devolved cities and

:51:21.:51:24.

regions. Without effective democratic and clinical overstate

:51:25.:51:29.

things can go badly wrong. Already in Manchester a major hospital

:51:30.:51:32.

reorganisation is waiting judicial review. Can I ask him to ensure that

:51:33.:51:39.

proper safeguards are in place so the local authorities retain a last

:51:40.:51:44.

resort to refer NHS changes or independent clinical reviews? I will

:51:45.:51:50.

look carefully at what he says. This goes to a larger point which is we

:51:51.:51:54.

are currently changing the way our country is run. These big devolution

:51:55.:52:02.

deals in Greater Manchester and Liverpool and the West Midlands mean

:52:03.:52:07.

we are going to have powerful Metro wheres who are accountable to local

:52:08.:52:12.

people for their decisions they made, which as I direct form of

:52:13.:52:18.

accountability and we can be confident of devolving health and

:52:19.:52:21.

social care to those authorities. Our country has been too centralised

:52:22.:52:28.

for too long. Our northern cities will benefit from these massive

:52:29.:52:31.

devolution deals but if we devolved the power and the money we have to

:52:32.:52:35.

devolve the trust and the accountability as well. Against the

:52:36.:52:41.

backdrop of a tidal wave of local job losses, the Teesside collective

:52:42.:52:46.

industrial carbon capture is the very real potential to secure a

:52:47.:52:50.

major StepChange in our industrial renaissance. Ahead of the Paris

:52:51.:52:55.

conference will he meet with me and the industrial leaders driving this

:52:56.:52:59.

project so we can secure these immense climate change games with

:53:00.:53:05.

the UK leading this industrial revolution and make this initiative

:53:06.:53:09.

a reality for Teesside and the UK? I know how important it is that we all

:53:10.:53:13.

work on behalf of Teesside not least because of the difficulties that

:53:14.:53:17.

have been in Redcar and that is why we have the task force and that is

:53:18.:53:21.

why the additional resources are going in. I am happy to look at the

:53:22.:53:25.

project he docs about. It may be best for him to meet with the Energy

:53:26.:53:30.

and Climate Change Secretary. We have to make decisions about all of

:53:31.:53:40.

these technologies. In my constituency of North Warwickshire

:53:41.:53:43.

manufacturing is thriving thanks to innovative small businesses such as

:53:44.:53:48.

one group who are creating high-quality local jobs and

:53:49.:53:52.

apprenticeships in engineering. Given the challenges these types of

:53:53.:53:56.

company fees in finding traditional funding support what assurances can

:53:57.:54:00.

you give that this Conservative government understands the

:54:01.:54:04.

importance of our innovators and will continue to provide initiatives

:54:05.:54:07.

such as the annual investment fund to ensure British businesses

:54:08.:54:13.

continue to lead the way? We want to rebalance the British economy, not

:54:14.:54:16.

just in terms of the devolution of power, but also CE is thriving

:54:17.:54:22.

manufacturing sector. Manufacturers want to see continued investment

:54:23.:54:26.

into the captive bolt centres that do a good job of making sure

:54:27.:54:32.

technology taken up, strong support for the apprenticeship programme,

:54:33.:54:38.

and they also want to make the annual investment allowance

:54:39.:54:43.

permanent and it will be at ?200,000 throughout this parliament so that

:54:44.:54:46.

manufacturing companies and others who want to make investments now

:54:47.:54:50.

they can do so in a way that will be profitable. My niece is safe and

:54:51.:54:56.

well having been caught up in the aftermath of the Paris attacks and

:54:57.:55:01.

she wants to know as a student for three years in Paris whether this

:55:02.:55:06.

country is going to be safe on her return? She is worried about the

:55:07.:55:12.

cuts to the ambulance, the police under services in this country and

:55:13.:55:15.

whether we will be prepared with those cuts to be as prepared as

:55:16.:55:24.

those in Paris. I want to know why we are not joining with the Russians

:55:25.:55:28.

to get a UN mandate to remove Isis from Syria. I am glad to year that

:55:29.:55:34.

his niece is safe after these terrible attacks. To answer her

:55:35.:55:39.

question, we are doing everything we can to make sure this country is

:55:40.:55:44.

safe. After the intelligence we had some years ago about the potential

:55:45.:55:49.

of a marauding firearms attack at multiple locations and perhaps the

:55:50.:55:53.

capital city or elsewhere we have run exercises, done research, looked

:55:54.:55:58.

at everything we can, to make sure that ambulances and crews will be

:55:59.:56:03.

able to go into a hot zone and recover casualties, that we have the

:56:04.:56:06.

right number of armed police in the different parts of our country, that

:56:07.:56:13.

we can respond including using other forces, and we have looked at what

:56:14.:56:17.

the French have done in terms of surging troops onto the street and

:56:18.:56:21.

we have made sure that can happen here. There's never a 100% guarantee

:56:22.:56:26.

of safety but we are doing everything possibly can. I warmly

:56:27.:56:34.

congratulate the Prime Minister on new funding that has been announced

:56:35.:56:38.

for special forces equipment, but may I draw his attention to the

:56:39.:56:43.

plight of David and Maria Summers who have struggled to obtain a

:56:44.:56:47.

permanent residency for Maria despite being married for 45 years?

:56:48.:56:52.

Did he encourage officials to look again at this case? I am happy to

:56:53.:56:58.

look again at this case but it gives me the opportunity given the

:56:59.:57:01.

constituency he represents to say something about a group of people

:57:02.:57:04.

that we see very little about because we do not comment on their

:57:05.:57:09.

amazing work, but Hereford is an important part of the nation's

:57:10.:57:14.

security domestic league and overseas. Very brave people work

:57:15.:57:17.

there and we should give them credit. My constituent was a soldier

:57:18.:57:22.

in Iraq and Afghanistan and is currently training to be a doctor in

:57:23.:57:28.

London. He told me that with the proposed in your doctors contracts

:57:29.:57:32.

morale in the NHS is law than at any other point during his time on the

:57:33.:57:39.

front line. Does he agree that Loma rile amongst our junior doctors is a

:57:40.:57:48.

threat to patient safety? -- low morale. Please look very carefully

:57:49.:57:54.

at what the government is offering before you decide to go one strike

:57:55.:58:01.

because what is on offer is not an increase in hours, for many doctors

:58:02.:58:05.

it will mean life long hours, it is not a cut in the pay bill for junior

:58:06.:58:11.

doctors, it is an 11% basic pay increase. It will mean a better

:58:12.:58:15.

rostering of doctors including at weekends with more support for

:58:16.:58:21.

consultants. Go on the Department of Health website, look at the

:58:22.:58:25.

calculator and see how you will be affected because we have given a

:58:26.:58:29.

guarantee that anyone working legal hours will not be worse off under

:58:30.:58:34.

this contract. This is good for the NHS, good for doctors, patients,

:58:35.:58:41.

good for patients and I hope the BMA will call off their damaging strike.

:58:42.:58:48.

Fundamental to the success of the Good Friday Agreement was the spirit

:58:49.:58:52.

of peace and reconciliation that saw dozens or hundreds of convicted

:58:53.:58:56.

terrorist released from prison. Many had been found guilty of murder. Yet

:58:57.:59:01.

in the last week we hear the alarming news of a 66-year-old

:59:02.:59:04.

former paratrooper being arrested in connection with events that took

:59:05.:59:10.

place 43 years ago. In a week we are all having to once again contemplate

:59:11.:59:14.

sending our young men and women into harm's way with our security

:59:15.:59:19.

services on high alert, what message does this send to our armed forces

:59:20.:59:26.

and security services? I understand his concern that the feeling that

:59:27.:59:30.

many will have on seeing this news but the truth is about our country

:59:31.:59:33.

is one of the most important things about it is the government does not

:59:34.:59:37.

decide who is prosecuted and who is not. We have the rule of law,

:59:38.:59:42.

independent prosecuting authorities. This is something people across the

:59:43.:59:46.

world pride out for and we have here and we have to support them even

:59:47.:59:51.

when they take decisions that sometimes we want attention.

:59:52.:59:57.

Yesterday the principal parties in Northern Ireland came together and

:59:58.:00:00.

agreed a deal to make sure that the devolved institutions and continue

:00:01.:00:04.

to work. That deal involved people who have lost loved ones to

:00:05.:00:08.

terrorism, who have been opposed to each other all of their lives,

:00:09.:00:12.

sitting down and working together to try to deliver good government for

:00:13.:00:15.

this part of the United Kingdom and that is what we should look to to

:00:16.:00:22.

the future. The decision last week by HMRC to close their offices in

:00:23.:00:28.

Bradford will mean the loss of over 2000 high school high wage jobs, 1.2

:00:29.:00:36.

million in business rates and almost 12 million of the district's retail

:00:37.:00:41.

step goal spending which will have a devastating impact on Bradford. And

:00:42.:00:46.

you give me assurances that HMRC will meet with Bradford MPs to

:00:47.:00:52.

consider the clear economic and social case for keeping those

:00:53.:00:58.

offices in Bradford open? I am happy to ask the financial secretary to

:00:59.:01:02.

meet with the local MPs. We will make sure that Jobcentre plus and

:01:03.:01:08.

all of the supporters there for people who potentially are their

:01:09.:01:13.

jobs. In Bradford, the claimant count is down by 26% in the last

:01:14.:01:20.

year so jobs are available. It is a difficult and important point I am

:01:21.:01:24.

going to make, everyone in this House wants to see HMRC raise more

:01:25.:01:29.

money and make sure that people and companies do not avoid their taxes

:01:30.:01:33.

and that means reform and it means to make sure that HMRC is even more

:01:34.:01:38.

effective in raising the taxes on which our public services depend.

:01:39.:01:47.

Acknowledging that sport can bring a nation together and nations

:01:48.:01:50.

together, as demonstrated at Wembley last night, which he ensure that in

:01:51.:01:56.

addition to the welcome extra investment in the police and

:01:57.:02:00.

security services, investment in sports such as cricket will be

:02:01.:02:04.

maintained because they are a tool to help us face longer term

:02:05.:02:08.

challenges in integrating communities? I am sure over the next

:02:09.:02:13.

week the spending requests will quicken as we get closer to the

:02:14.:02:17.

spending review. It is important we have put in place the school sport

:02:18.:02:23.

premium for primary schools and it is making a real difference. There

:02:24.:02:28.

is a role for the sporting bodies to play. Many receive large amounts of

:02:29.:02:31.

money from the television contracts and the more of them that the more

:02:32.:02:36.

of them that can use that to ensure we are bringing on the young stars

:02:37.:02:40.

of tomorrow, that is absolutely vital. As the new leader of the

:02:41.:02:49.

anti-austerity movement in Oxfordshire, can he tell us how his

:02:50.:03:02.

campaign is going? What I said to my local council is what I say to every

:03:03.:03:06.

council, which is you have to get more for less, not less for more. On

:03:07.:03:13.

this side of the House we want to make sure that every penny that is

:03:14.:03:18.

raised in council tax is well spent and if his council would like to

:03:19.:03:21.

come in and get the same advice I will gladly oblige. At a time when

:03:22.:03:34.

he saw rightly emphasises the need for our solidarity with France, and

:03:35.:03:40.

I asked if he can see what he can do to ensure that the Franco British

:03:41.:03:45.

Council set up over 40 years ago to promote civil society partnership

:03:46.:03:49.

can continue to do its important work in fields as diverse as defence

:03:50.:03:54.

and community cohesion? Without a very small amount of funding from

:03:55.:03:57.

both governments it will not be able to do that. I am happy to look at

:03:58.:04:03.

that proposal. France and Britain have a lot to learn from each other

:04:04.:04:07.

and we should enter into these discussions in that spirit. We have

:04:08.:04:10.

a lot to learn about integrating people into our country, about how

:04:11.:04:16.

we have effective counter-terrorism policing, about how to share

:04:17.:04:19.

intelligence, and I am committed to making sure we burst you all of

:04:20.:04:25.

those things with France. Wigan council has had a cut in funding

:04:26.:04:32.

over the last five years and lost a third of its staff. Does he advise I

:04:33.:04:37.

should write to the leader of the council regarding the reduction or

:04:38.:04:42.

should I place the blame firmly where it belongs, with his

:04:43.:04:48.

government? If he is looking for someone to blame she might want to

:04:49.:04:53.

blame the Labour Party which left the country with the biggest budget

:04:54.:04:56.

deficit anywhere in the Western world. The advice I would give her

:04:57.:05:03.

about her local council is to look at its overall spending power, the

:05:04.:05:07.

combination of business rates, council tax and Grant and ask what

:05:08.:05:11.

money they have got to provide local services.

:05:12.:05:21.

Prime Minister's Questions predictably dominated by events in

:05:22.:05:27.

Paris. President Hollande of France was also giving a press conference,

:05:28.:05:31.

and he says France is at war with Islamic State. He wants a large

:05:32.:05:38.

coalition, his words, working against IS militants who threaten

:05:39.:05:42.

the whole world and commit massacres in the Middle East. Hollande said,

:05:43.:05:50.

we are at war, and a French aircraft carrier is today leaving the French

:05:51.:05:55.

Mediterranean naval port to head for the Middle East region to help

:05:56.:05:59.

Frenchmen literary operations in the Syrian area. -- French military

:06:00.:06:07.

operations. Interestingly, it will be accompanied by a British

:06:08.:06:15.

destroyer which will provide air strike cover for the ship Charles de

:06:16.:06:24.

Gaulle. HMS destroyer will be accompanying it to the region. That

:06:25.:06:33.

second to last question there about Anglo-French Corporation, that will

:06:34.:06:39.

be some of that in action. Ed Buxton says the exchanges between

:06:40.:06:43.

the two leaders began with the House of Commons at its best,

:06:44.:06:45.

statesman-like questions and answers, then it turned, and both

:06:46.:06:49.

leaders let themselves down by playing politics with national

:06:50.:06:52.

security. All wind says, I worry greatly for

:06:53.:06:56.

the Labour Party, it is becoming increasingly evident that there is

:06:57.:06:58.

no alternative to the conservative Government. Gareth says, please

:06:59.:07:03.

challenge the Prime Minister's answer about there being 3800 more

:07:04.:07:08.

neighbourhood police. This is at best wrong, at worst a lie. I am a

:07:09.:07:13.

neighbourhood police officer, and there has been no increase, in fact

:07:14.:07:16.

it is the opposite. Bill Waterman on the same theme, David Cameron is

:07:17.:07:21.

away with the fairies regarding neighbourhood policing. They are

:07:22.:07:26.

calling other offices neighbourhood officers, but they are not walking

:07:27.:07:30.

the streets. Going back to the question I was

:07:31.:07:34.

coming to before PMQs, but before I do, can you give me your overall

:07:35.:07:39.

impression? Yesterday the Prime Minister told the House of Commons

:07:40.:07:43.

he wants to make a case for military action, the most serious they had

:07:44.:07:47.

Prime Minister can do, and Jeremy Corbyn chose not to ask the Prime

:07:48.:07:51.

Minister question on that. It is difficult territory for him, and the

:07:52.:07:54.

Prime Minister gave a full statement yesterday saying what his treasured

:07:55.:07:57.

you would be, but this is one of the most significant thing is a

:07:58.:08:01.

Government can say it wants to do, and the opposition leader due to the

:08:02.:08:04.

strange times we are in chose not to go on that particular question, it

:08:05.:08:10.

was left instead to the leader of the third biggest party, Angus

:08:11.:08:12.

Robertson, the SNP leader at Westminster, to put that question

:08:13.:08:17.

twice about whether or not the government would seek a mandate from

:08:18.:08:20.

the United Nations, and David Cameron said twice he did not

:08:21.:08:23.

believe that he would have to go to the UN. He said it was ideal and

:08:24.:08:28.

preferable, but he didn't say he would do it.

:08:29.:08:32.

We were talking about the kind of appointments Jeremy Corbyn has made,

:08:33.:08:36.

and we went through the list. It has culminated in Ken Livingstone being

:08:37.:08:40.

in charge of the defence review along with the shadow defence

:08:41.:08:45.

spokeswoman. What I was going to ask is, when you look at how provocative

:08:46.:08:48.

some of these appointments are to the centre and right of the Labour

:08:49.:08:52.

Party, is he trying to provoke an early leadership challenge so he get

:08:53.:08:56.

it over with? I asked a member of the Shadow Labour team this morning

:08:57.:08:59.

if they thought that he was trying to force the more southerly to

:09:00.:09:03.

resign. He said, I don't know about that, but suggested that sometimes

:09:04.:09:09.

it feels that way. There is a spectrum of paranoia at one end,

:09:10.:09:12.

saying everything that Jeremy Corbyn is doing is trying to provoke an

:09:13.:09:17.

enormous bust up, a mass exodus of people from the party. But those on

:09:18.:09:24.

the other side say, he is doing is a what he said he said he would always

:09:25.:09:30.

do, appointing a team in his image. On this journey, day by day, the

:09:31.:09:36.

make it work brigade are finding it harder and harder and harder to make

:09:37.:09:43.

it work. The appointment of Ken Livingstone is just the latest in a

:09:44.:09:48.

line of these kinds of things. In the next few weeks, we have got

:09:49.:09:53.

Jeremy Corbyn Lanning to a tend -- planning to attend a Stop the War

:09:54.:10:04.

rally. And next week the Labour Party is trying to ask Labour MPs to

:10:05.:10:08.

abstain on a vote on Trident which is being put forward by the SNP and

:10:09.:10:11.

defy the party's own official policy.

:10:12.:10:16.

You mentioned the continual argy-bargy within the Labour Party.

:10:17.:10:20.

We have had this developing row now between Kevan Jones, speaking on

:10:21.:10:23.

defence the Labour, saying he didn't quite know what Ken Livingstone's

:10:24.:10:29.

credentials were heading up a row of -- a review of the policy. Ken

:10:30.:10:37.

Livingstone said that Mr Jones needed treatment for mental

:10:38.:10:39.

problems, Kevan Jones hit back at him, and now we have Mr Livingstone,

:10:40.:10:43.

all of this happening in one morning. This is what he had to say

:10:44.:10:50.

on LBC. If he apologises for criticising my ability to do this

:10:51.:10:55.

job, perhaps... You have control over your professional capacities.

:10:56.:10:58.

He has no control over his mental health. If he wants to apologise,

:10:59.:11:03.

that is fine. Ken, just say sorry to the man. He suffers from clinical

:11:04.:11:10.

depression, and you cast aspersions on his mental health. He was rude

:11:11.:11:14.

about me. Would you have said the same things about his psychiatric

:11:15.:11:21.

health if you knew that he was a sufferer of depression. Of course I

:11:22.:11:25.

wouldn't. Well, there you go. The next word is sorry, I think. Once he

:11:26.:11:32.

apologises for criticising my appointment, I might be nice.

:11:33.:11:39.

Ken Livingstone just are so ago. Should he apologise? He absolutely

:11:40.:11:46.

should. I hadn't heard confirmation of what he said, but it sends such a

:11:47.:11:51.

damaging message to anybody who is struggling with mental illness

:11:52.:11:53.

around the country, and of course he should apologise. Laura talked about

:11:54.:12:00.

what she graphically called the make it work brigade in the Labour Party

:12:01.:12:03.

beginning to despair. Are you part of the make it work brigade? We are

:12:04.:12:09.

all in the make it work again! So are you beginning to despair as

:12:10.:12:12.

well? Absolutely not. Jeremy Corbyn is ten June -- changing the tone of

:12:13.:12:24.

PMQs, putting forward his plans to cut tackle the cuts in being,

:12:25.:12:29.

working people and difficulties in the steel industry.

:12:30.:12:33.

On the issue of the Russian veto, if we went to the UN and Russia vetoed

:12:34.:12:39.

our attempts to get involved further in the Middle East, would that be

:12:40.:12:44.

the end of it the Labour? It would depend on the deal that Cameron was

:12:45.:12:48.

putting forward, and we have said very clearly, Hilary Benn and Jeremy

:12:49.:12:51.

Corbyn have said we will consider the plan that David Cameron puts

:12:52.:12:55.

forward. At the moment, we have talks going on in Vienna that look

:12:56.:13:01.

like they may make some progress towards a full political and

:13:02.:13:06.

diplomatic settlement in Syria. A full political and diplomatic

:13:07.:13:10.

settlement? Really? It looks like we may make some progress towards

:13:11.:13:15.

that. But if the Russians veto our foreign policy, Labour would go

:13:16.:13:17.

along with that? That is my question? It depends on the plan

:13:18.:13:23.

David Cameron puts forward. He said himself yesterday that simply

:13:24.:13:26.

dropping a few bombs want to transform the situation in Syria. We

:13:27.:13:29.

have been clear that he ought to go to the UN and try to get a mandate

:13:30.:13:34.

faction, but it should only take place as part of a wider plan.

:13:35.:13:38.

Russia are involved in those talks in Vienna, as are we. Should Ken

:13:39.:13:45.

Livingstone, given his failure to apologise to Mr Jones, should he

:13:46.:13:54.

resign from, or indeed be fired from, this defence review? The body

:13:55.:13:59.

that takes action on matters like this is the second of committee. My

:14:00.:14:03.

understanding is they are the body that has appointed him. I was asking

:14:04.:14:07.

for your view. If he doesn't apologise, I would expect that this

:14:08.:14:11.

would go back to the NEC and they would take action, and I would think

:14:12.:14:15.

that would be the right thing to do. He is defying the Labour leader on

:14:16.:14:18.

this. My view is that he should apologise. And if he doesn't? Then

:14:19.:14:25.

it should go back to the National executive committee, and they should

:14:26.:14:30.

take action. What does that mean? I can't pre-empt what they should do.

:14:31.:14:33.

Do you think that they should fire him? My preference would be that he

:14:34.:14:37.

would apologise or they would persuade him to. That would be more

:14:38.:14:43.

productive. If he doesn't? He told us in that clip not to wait for an

:14:44.:14:49.

apology. If he doesn't, would you like the NEC to demand he stepped

:14:50.:14:53.

down? I think it would be very difficult to move forward on the

:14:54.:14:57.

basis on which we currently are without an apology. I think we would

:14:58.:15:01.

have to find a way to bring forward a solution that would mean that

:15:02.:15:09.

those... That body could work together, and I think that doesn't

:15:10.:15:20.

look likely. We go to the Central lobby of the House of Commons, John

:15:21.:15:25.

Woodcock. What you make of Ken Livingstone's refusal to apologise?

:15:26.:15:28.

I think it is really disappointing, and I hope that when the furious

:15:29.:15:33.

this morning has died down and he does reflect on this issue, because

:15:34.:15:40.

Kevan Jones's bravery in speaking out about depression in the House of

:15:41.:15:46.

Commons when no one else really had done that before is what led me to

:15:47.:15:52.

be able to feel able to talk about the depression but I have suffered.

:15:53.:15:58.

And I think it sends a terrible signal that if we say that this is

:15:59.:16:04.

just part of the normal toing and froing of political debate, it

:16:05.:16:09.

isn't. Ken last week said that Maria Eagle was mad if she thought a

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particular way, and I know that people speak loosely with that kind

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of language, but this was something else. I am not going to get drawn

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into, I thought Lisa spoke really well on this, and I am not into get

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drawn into the issue of whether he should remain as chair, because I

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have big issues with him being chair for different reasons. Then let me

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ask you about them. Mr Livingstone seemly didn't know about Mr Jones's

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depression issues, so let's say that Mr Livingstone isn't necessarily

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anything of an expert on mental health issues. Could you explain to

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our viewers, what are his qualifications, his defence

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expertise? What does he have in that area to head up this defence

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review? I am unable to explain to your viewers that. What has

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concerned... I have concerns about whether the Shadow Defence Secretary

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was properly consulted on this, what were the reasons for him being

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appointed, but that for me is a separate issue to the really serious

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thing about a leading member of the Labour Party who is quite openly

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using inappropriate language around mental health, and then refusing to

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withdraw it. So I think aside from the toing and froing of internal

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Labour Party reviews, which is sometimes hard to excite even Labour

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Party members about, and much more serious issue is that we can speak

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to each other in a decent inhuman way and we can actually make normal

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being able to discuss mental health conditions without them becoming to

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user reviews -- terms of abuse. I understand that, but I take it what

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you're saying is that you don't understand why Jeremy Corbyn has

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appointed Mr Livingstone died at the defence review, even you don't think

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he has any expertise? -- to head up the defence review. I think he has

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kept quiet on that in recent years, that is the most diplomatic thing I

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can say. One final question while we have you. Isn't it a problem for

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your party that on a morning when we are dealing with the aftermath of

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Harris and the ongoing anti-terrorism and the risk to this

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country -- of Paris, that Her Majesty is opposition has been

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sidetracked into essentially slanging match between two Labour

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members? It is not great that this is happening, but be under no doubt

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that while I think hopefully all of us here, certainly myself and

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everyone I know, is absolutely focused on the issue of how we can

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combat Daish, and what we can do beyond our borders to rid the Middle

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East region of this terrible evil, and we will go on doing that. I said

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that was my last, but one more quick one. Given Mr Corbyn's remarks to

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Laura Kuenssberg about shooter killed, his remarks about Jihadi

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John, he should have been arrested rather than eviscerated by a drone,

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given his appointment of Mr Livingstone, do you still have

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confidence in Mr Corbyn is leader of your party? Jeremy Renner aims are

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elected leader with a substantial majority, and that isn't better

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change any time soon. -- remains the elected leader. I hope that we can

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resolve this and be able to work on a better basis that we have been

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doing over the last few days. You optimistic about that or depressed

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by the prospect? I think optimism and depression in the current

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context is not quite how I would describe it. I will keep doing the

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best job I have can my constituents! Thank you for joining

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us. Laura, I have to say as a journalist

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of quite long-standing I have never covered anything like this. For a

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Monday night after Labour Parliamentary meeting I have never

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had conversations like some of the conversations I had with MPs coming

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out of that meeting, crucially not people where we know where they

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stand, one said I feel physically sick, I do not know how much longer

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I can go with this. Feelings are so high. Just as John Woodcock was

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hinting, as he managed his way out of it very diplomatically, Jeremy

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Corbyn's very resounding victory, even for those who think it is not

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sustainable, there is no alternative. There is nobody waiting

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in the wings to rush forward. The question of how this operation

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survives day by day is a very live one and briefly worth mentioning,

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yesterday in the House of Commons most people were focusing on what

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David Cameron said that after David Cameron finished Labour MP after

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Labour MPs stood up and made comments that were in open defiance

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of Jeremy Corbyn. This is not just about rushed conversations with

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journalists, this is starting to happen in public with people not all

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on the right of the party. Given what has happened in the past ten

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minutes you have got a get out of jail card. Given the problems the

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opposition has would not be incumbent on the Prime Minister on

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matters of national importance to be showing more leadership? I think he

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showed of leadership. Labour are in a real muddle and Jeremy Corbyn...

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Come on. I did not ask for your analysis of the Labour Party. We do

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not have the comprehensive strategy on how to handle Syria and we do not

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know whether or not we are going to get a vote in the Commons on this.

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He is going to set out a response to that Foreign Affairs Committee

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report. In the fullness of time. They are working on a strategy. I do

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not accept there is a lack of leadership at all. You saw

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leadership in spades today from David Cameron. You would say that.

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Laura, a busy day for you. Now, every campaign needs a sharp

:22:54.:22:57.

American strategist, and Leave.EU His job is to mastermind

:22:58.:23:00.

its campaign to persuade Britons they are better off without

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the European Union, and we'll be But first, Leave.EU

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have some new polling out today. They asked a sample of British

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voters whether the UK should remain 38% said it should leave,

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with 20% undecided. Leave.EU

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also asked what people feel about 48% said free movement

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makes them feel unsafe. 9% said it makes them feel safe and

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33% said it makes no difference. And who should be the face

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of the anti-EU movement? 26% want the Ukip leader,

:23:46.:23:49.

Nigel Farage, while the London Mayor, Boris

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Johnson is the preference for 13%. Home Secretary Theresa May is

:23:52.:23:54.

the third favourite. And Leave.EU's

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Gerry Gunster joins us now. Welcome. You face and back uphill

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struggle if you look at that showing that more people want to remain in

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the EU. We do. There is something inherent about referendums, which is

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one of the reasons why I am working here with Leave.EU and that is that

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most people when it comes to referendums want to vote to keep the

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status quo. You see for example in the United States 60% of all

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referendums and initiatives fail. Because people do not want to make

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the change. However, there is precedent and there are a lot of

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times when people will go that way. Look at it like a game of billiards,

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this is a double blank shot. We have to be able to convince people there

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is a problem and secondly sure that there is a solution to that problem.

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Billiards? Would your double pronged attack be focused on immigration or

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economics or both? I think it is a combination of all of the above. The

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polling is showing that they are three issues. Immigration, the

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economy and the issue of whether we should have the right to make our

:25:35.:25:38.

own laws hear in the UK as opposed to having it come out of the EU.

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What should be central? The EU principle of free movement, perhaps

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unsurprisingly at the moment 9% of people feel safe, bearing in mind

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the context of what has been happening, 48% feel unsafe, is that

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where you are going to focus? Immigration is the number 1 issue,

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no question. The economy is number two. That does not mean that as the

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weight is going to be in six months a year. These referendums are

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extremely volatile. Use that in Greece and Scotland, numbers were

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all over the place. Tomorrow it could be something else. We have got

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Labour MP John man who is in the House of Commons. He is in the

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Central Lobby of the House of Commons. Given everything that has

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happened in recent days about Labour's response to national

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security and defence, from the Labour's office, do you still have

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confidence in Jeremy Corbyn as leader of your party? I have total

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faith and confidence as does everyone in the Parliamentary party

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in Hilary Benn who is leading for us on it, who has spelt out our policy

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on should to kill, who has spelt out our policy on intervention in

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Syria, and everybody including Jeremy is having to come in behind

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Hilary Benn who has been given the lead and as long as Hillary

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continues to give the lead in this way we are all going to be very

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happy because we are in the right place. You have confidence in Hilary

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Benn but not in the leader of the Labour Party? Jeremy has confidence

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in Hilary as well so that is good news. Hillary speaks for the Labour

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Party on matters relating to defence. That has been very clear.

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Hillary answered the questions that the Parliamentary party on Monday.

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That is the right approach. It is sensible for Jeremy, to allow

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Hillary to lead and he has done and Hillary has done it exceedingly

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well. What Hillary has said I agree with. You have not been able to

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bring yourself to see that you have confidence in the leader of the

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Labour Party. I have a huge amount of confidence in Jeremy allowing

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Hilary Benn to lead on Syria and for him to spell out the policy. That is

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what he has done. Confidence in them both. We want Hilary Benn leading

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the way. Not Jeremy Corbyn. Hilary Benn is leading and that is the

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right thing to do and it is succeeding because we can unite

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behind what he is saying. Thank you. We only have a few seconds. That is

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open warfare. It is not. He is perfectly entitled to say that. We

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have a leader and Shadow Foreign Secretary who have set out the same

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approach on stock to kill. Do you have confidence in Jeremy Corbyn? Of

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course. He could not bring himself to say that. You have had members of

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the Labour Party agreeing. There's just time to put you out

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of your misery and give you The key was the launch of sky

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television. Use me in the picture. The One O'Clock News is

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starting over on BBC One now. I'll be here

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at noon tomorrow with all the big The knives are sharpened,

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and the heat is on...

:29:25.:29:38.

Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn with coverage of Prime Minister's Questions and analysis from political editor Laura Kuenssberg. Guests of the day are environment minister George Eustice, who advised David Cameron in opposition, and Labour's shadow environment minister Lisa Nandy.


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