27/01/2016 Daily Politics


27/01/2016

Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn are joined by culture minister Ed Vaizey and shadow women and equalities minister Kate Green for live coverage of Prime Minister's Questions.


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Morning, folks, welcome to the Daily Politics.

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The Government's under fire about it's tax deal with Google.

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The US search engine giant has agreed to pay ?130 million in back

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tax and interest, which sounds a lot but perhaps isn't when you consider

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Google books several billion in British revenues every year.

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Italy Could be about to strike a much tougher deal even

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though Google Italy is much smaller

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You won't need a search engine to find out who'll be starring

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Call me Dave and Jezza face each other across the despatch

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Campaigners want to lower the age you can vote to 16.

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We'll be talking to one political expert who thinks it should be

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Why should JoCo be deprived of the vote?

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And have you booked your summer holiday yet?

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If not, how about a Brexit to Brussels?

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Believe it or not there's a new holiday rage for

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That is the kind of thing we would go on. We would be the first ones

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there. And the only ones. All that in the next hour

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and with us for the whole of the duration is the Arts

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Minister, Ed Vaizey. We have to be nice to him,

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because otherwise he'll be He is in fact the longest

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serving Arts Minister ever. And with us also, the Shadow Women's

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and Equalities Minister, We have to be nice to be her

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because otherwise it Kate's one of three Shadow Women

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and Equalities Ministers Now, since we have a Culture

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Minister with us lets talk licence fee and the over 75s,

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because the BBC is exploring plans to persuade pensioners who currently

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don't pay the licence fee Is that a good idea? It is up to the

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BBC who are now responsible for the free TV licence. I got an e-mail

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from a constituent who said they would willingly pay the licence fee.

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I have had conversations with other pensioners who said they would not.

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It is within the BBC's right now it is responsible to ask people if they

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want to make a voluntary contribution. And you would be

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comfortable with that? There is a campaign fronted by celebrities who

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want to persuade those over the age of 75 to pay. We reached an

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agreement with the BBC that they would take on the free television

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licence and if they want to ask people to make a contribution, that

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is fine. Are you worried about complaints from pensioners who feel

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they might be under pressure? No, that did not occur to me. I get a

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lot of e-mails about the BBC, people care passionately about the BBC and

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they want to have a say in it. We have had the second largest

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consultation on the BBC and this will be part of that debate. They

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care about it and many of them will be unhappy about the decision which

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is palming off welfare decision for the government and giving it to the

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BBC. It is right the BBC has wholesale responsibility for its

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financing and part of that is free TV licences for pensioners. Why

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didn't the government make that decision? We said the BBC was to

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take it on and they would be free to remove it or free to engage with

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people over the age of 75 and ask them to make a contribution. But it

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is the government that is accountable to voters. It is

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accountable to Parliament and it is also accountable to people through

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the payment of the licence fee. People have to pay it and the BBC

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has a direct relationship with the licence fee payer. Andrew quipped

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that somehow I have some say over his future, but the BBC should be

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independent of government and one of the ways that goes is by the

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financing through the licence fee rather than through general

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taxation. Which services do you think the BBC should cut to fund

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this? Minister should not tell the BBC what services to cut. But this

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decision has been foisted on the BBC. It should decide which ones it

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wants to maintain and which ones are the most effective. It moved BBC

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Three online and the justification for that was that more and more

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people are going online to view. Let's get ahead of the curve and

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have a well-established brand we moved online which is aimed at

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younger viewers and learn lessons about engaging with people online.

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Did you support that initial decision and agreement as Ed Vaizey

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calls it between the BBC and the government for the BBC to fund the

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over 75 is? It is important to recognise the BBC is a public

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service broadcaster and we have to make sure it is on a sustainable,

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financial footing and that is a government responsibility. We all

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rely on the BBC is independent, impartial and informative. As far as

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this initiative for the over 75s is concerned, it might be quite

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bureaucratic to implement and the gains might be marginal, but this is

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my concern about the transferring of the funding onto the BBC and they

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have to find money somewhere, if this starts to exclude marginalise

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pensioners. Many of them find the television a lifeline, they cannot

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get out of the House, they need the BBC and we need to be careful about

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the impact of these changes. A campaign by celebrities to persuade

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pensioners, do you think that would be seen by somebody is bullying? I

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hope it would not be seen as bullying and I hope nobody would be

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offended when I say that some pensioners could be confused, they

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might not get the message clearly, they might not understand it is

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voluntary, they do not have to make a contribution. I am concerned and I

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understand why the BBC are looking at every single possibility to raise

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money, but this could impact on vulnerable people.

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What about other pensioner benefits? In the run-up to the election Labour

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said they would be reviewing pension benefits that were given right

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across the board. Should it be looked at again? If I am on this, we

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were not very great about pensioner lifestyles, we were miserable

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leading up to the election. People in their 60s and 70s are living a

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very different life. Should they still get those benefits? It is

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important we should review the way benefits are structured for older

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people, how we should support people who carry on working in their 60s

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and 70s, to gain from their employment, and to make sure they

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get income for retirement. We have to make sure that those who are

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finding it most difficult to save for retirement are properly

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protected. I am in favour of a full review. We are four and half years

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away from an election, let's use that time to get it right.

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Now, it's coming up to the end of January and the spectre

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of the looming tax return is weighing heavily upon many of us.

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Working out tax is such a tiresome affair.

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It's happy days, however, for Google, who have come to a deal

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with Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs to pay ?130 million

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Let's talk to our political correspondent Vicky Young

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The Chancellor began by hailing this deal is a major success, but now it

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looks like they are on the back foot. If Jeremy Corbyn tries to

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tackle the Prime Minister on this he will be desperate to get David

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Cameron to repeat that phrase, is it a major success? Do they believe it

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is? Labour are trying to pin this on ministers. They are saying there

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should be no such thing as mates' rates for big companies. Labour are

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asking all sorts of questions about what meetings the government and

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Google had. The bottom line is we do not know much about the deal. It is

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HMRC that deals with all of this and it is by its nature very secret, so

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it is hard to establish what rate they might be paying and how they

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came to this deal. The politicians might shout about it on both sides

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of the House, but isn't it the case that this is a done deal? HMRC has

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done a deal with Google and they have signed a clause and it cannot

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be changed unless they find that Google has broken the law. 130

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million, job done. That is right, and we heard from Boris Johnson who

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said that although it is not much money, they have done nothing wrong

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and it is the law that needs to change. George Osborne will say he

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has brought in a new tax on diverted profits and is trying to tackle all

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of this. What would look bad would be if Italy and France got more

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money out of Google, that with then make the HMRC here look pretty bad.

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But it is the corporation tax, the system that the UK has and the

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Treasury Select Committee has said it will look into all of that and

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the chairman is saying the UK tax laws are to old. The Chancellor said

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it was a success, and Boris Johnson said it was derisory. Who is right?

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HMRC conducted a tax audit with Google dating back to 2005. What is

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right is the Chancellor has introduced the diverted profits tax

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which means going forward Google will pay tax on profits are

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generated in the UK in a proper way. The diverted profits tax is

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something other countries have started to copy. The point about

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France and Italy is well made in that there is not a developed

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country that is not wrestling with these digital companies that have a

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global presence. The UK has taken the lead in the OECD saying we have

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to sort this out. But is not right that under this deal, up until now,

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Google will not pay the diverted profits tax? It has just come in.

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The future? So any profits that have been diverted are not covered by

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this deal? Going forward it will pay it and under this audit by HMRC we

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have seen ten years back tax being paid. Is it all back tax or is it

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interest? Are there penalties? This is a confidential agreement in the

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sense that companies reach agreement with HMRC about the right level of

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tax they should pay and they reach it on the basis of commercial

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reasons. If it included penalties, the amount of tax would go up

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hugely? You can argue the granular point. But HMRC has gone through a

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very... I am arguing it. Everyone will have a view on what Google

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should pay fairly. What I should say is the process is right. It should

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not be for ministers to say what a company should pay. It is HMRC

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conducting an audit, going through the books and reaching an agreement.

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When you reach an agreement, there may be issues to do with interest

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and penalties and there will be calculations about if this came to

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court and the expense and time involved. All sorts of issues. I

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understand that. Would it be a major success if it turns out that France

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and Italy, where Google is much smaller, a quarter of what it is

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here, ended up getting a lot more money out of them? I will not

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speculate on what France and Italy will get. People are talking as if

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the Italians have secured a fantastic settlement. No, they have

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not, but they are quite far down the road. We have an agreement with

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Google to pay taxes, we have a diverted profits tax that people are

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copying and we have taken the lead in international forums saying we

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need changes in the international tax laws to cope with companies who

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are able to move quite freely around the globe. In 2014, Google's

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revenues out of the UK were almost ?5 billion. This is separate from

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the deal. It paid 30 million in corporation tax. 5 billion in

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revenues, 30 million in corporation tax. Is that a success? Those of you

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watching the news will have seen HMRC explaining some of the

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calculations made effectively to criticise the settlement and not

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based on an accurate understanding of tax laws. The National tax law is

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even more complicated. I am confident HMRC went through a very

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thorough investigation. It is an independent process. I am not sure

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that it is fair that a company makes revenues of almost 5 billion in

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Britain pays only 30 million in tax. We want companies to pay their fair

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share of tax. The Chancellor was criticised in some international

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forums where they said he was messing with international tax

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treaties, but he went ahead with it because he thinks it is the right

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thing to do and that is being copied by other countries around the world.

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Google will pay its fair share of tax going forward and we are in the

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lead in international forums. Out of 5 billion, the Exchequer got

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30 million. Is that fair? Google's European tax -- headquarters are in

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Ireland with a low level of corporation tax. In Australia,

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Google's Asian headquarters is in Singapore. We are getting into lots

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of detail. I am not privy to it all. But we know that Google... Let me

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ask you. Has this agreement with HM RC, as it established that Google

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now has a permanent establishment in Britain? That is a very technical

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point. That was presumably part of the debate about whether Google is

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paying its fair share of tax. Does it doesn't it... You can ask the HM

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RC on what basis... You visited the headquarters. We have a picture.

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This is the new headquarters, because their existing one isn't big

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enough. This is the proposed headquarters in King's 5000 people.

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The one they have at the moment is split between two sites. -- proposed

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headquarters in King's Cross. Is it not incredible but anybody planning

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to build a bigger headquarters cannot for tax purposes have a

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permanent establishment? I went to visit what is known as the Google

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campus because I was supporting an organisation which supports... Did

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it look permanent? Was it a pop-up headquarters? An organisation called

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creative England which does a lot of work supporting our fantastically

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successful creative industries around the UK. You are asking me a

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technical point. It doesn't look that technical. It looks like a

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massive headquarters. HM RC have conducted an extensive audit. There

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is a new tax regime, which was controversial with some companies

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and in some international forums, but the Chancellor went ahead

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because he recognises that the company -- public want to see

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companies like this paying their tax. The fact is that, since 2005,

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Google has been following the principles of how you measure

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taxable profits that it agreed with the last Labour government. So, if

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Google isn't paying enough tax, it is as much Labour's fault. As I

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understand, the first questions were asked in 2000 and Margaret Hodge,

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the Labour chair of the Public Accounts Committee in the last

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Parliament, really took up the mantle. She isn't in government. The

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principles that Google followed in paying tax worth agreed by the last

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Labour government. You made the wrong agreement. A lot of time has

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passed since 2009 and, while I welcome steps to toughen up and

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agreed internationally a more robust tax regime, we have to recognise

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that circumstances and learning and understanding of Google's

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operations, it was quite a new company in 2000. Did you make a

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mistake? I have no idea whether that tax regime was appropriate at the

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time. I think we can all agree it is not appropriate now. It was a tax

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regime agreed by the last Labour government which allowed Facebook, a

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multi-billion dollar corporation, to pay corporation tax of ?4000 in

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2011. It is derisory. Nobody could defend that. What is really

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important, having obviously set up the tax regime that haven't

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understood at the time the way in which some of these international

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online, really without much in the way of material, I think perhaps

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none of us, accountants, tax people, the Treasury, governments, perhaps

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didn't understand, and perhaps the companies themselves didn't fully,

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how they would knit to the tax regimes. What I think is important

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now is that there is credibility in the tax system. As a taxpayer, my

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constituents feel that this is really pretty insulting. We pay our

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taxes. Our small businesses pay taxes. Ballet companies pay taxes.

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They look at this and they think it is a deal for the rich. -- family

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companies. What would you do differently? We need to be sharper

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about getting the right deals. HM RC uses its top experts... Perhaps it

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needs to invest more in its expertise. We have lost substantial

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numbers of experts in HMS seed and we don't have any transparency. --

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HM RC. The government is hotly defending the privacy of Google's

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tax affairs, but it has to be balanced with public belief. You

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allowed a double Irish and a Dutch sandwich. Can you still do that? I

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think we got rid of the double Irish. I don't know if we have the

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Dutch sandwich. I was taught the other day that the human brain can

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accommodate 4.7 billion books but I can't accommodate whether we have

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the double Dutch sandwich. I think we have raised hundreds billion

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pounds in tax, backdated tax, thanks to the experts in HMRC.

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The so-called bedroom tax has been declared discriminatory by Court

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of Appeal judges, following a legal challenge by a domestic violence

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victim and the family of a disabled teenager.

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They had argued that the spare room subsidy,

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which reduces housing benefit for social housing tenants

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with a "spare" bedroom, is discriminatory.

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The Government says it's to appeal against the decision.

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Do you back the government decision to appeal this? As a member of the

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government, I obviously backed the government decision. I haven't seen

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the judgment so I don't know on what basis it was made and how it was

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found to be discriminatory, but clearly Iain Duncan Smith and his

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team and the government as a whole doesn't agree with this judgment. It

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is within its rights to appeal. Why? We are talking about two but

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vulnerable -- two small but vulnerable groups, disabled children

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who need an overnight room to state and victims of domestic violence who

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need a safe sanctuary. We are talking about thousands in the

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former, 300 in the latter. Could they not be an exception? There are

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a range of exceptions... But not for these people. There are exceptions

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for vulnerable children... There is not an exemption for disabled

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children who need an overnight carer. You are saying it is still

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fair to make them pay. I haven't seen the details of the judgment and

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I don't know on what basis this was taken to court or on what basis the

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Court of Appeal made its judgment. I am used to reading judgments in

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areas I am responsible for the. There may be issues in the judgment

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to do with process, in terms of how it was introduced, which the

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government may have to look at. The government has made a firm statement

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early on that it doesn't agree with this judgment and it wants to appeal

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and it clearly thinks it has grounds. How do you think it looks

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to the public when the government said it wants to protect the most

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vulnerable and people would judge that these two groups are among the

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most vulnerable, and yet they cannot be exempted from this paying off a

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spare room subsidy or a bedroom tax, whatever you want to pay it, because

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the government thinks it has to fit in to its broad range of welfare

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plans? What the government is doing, which I think has overwhelming

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support, is to reform welfare. That is in terms of capping the amount of

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benefits which people get, and I think there was support for the

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spare room subsidy... But these groups... There something like

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400,000 homes which under occupied. We want to have a system, and people

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have looked at under occupancy for many years, we ought a system which

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encourages people who are under occupied their house to look for

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other accommodation. I can't comment on the specific details of the case.

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I haven't seen the judgment. I assume the government are appealing

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because they think they are right to appeal.

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Now, the Justice Secretary, Michael Gove, told the House

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of Commons yesterday that, contrary to reports,

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he has not become, quote, "a sandal-wearing,

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I'm glad he felt the need to clear that up.

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He was responding to a question from Conservative backbencher

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Phillip Davies, a man who, I think it is fair to say,

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is not known for wearing sandals nor munching muesli.

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Just take a look at Big Ben, and that can

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Yes, Prime Minister's Questions is on its way.

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What is likely to dominate the front bench exchanges? I think there is a

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nice big parcel of a gift which George Osborne tied up with a big

:27:28.:27:33.

fat ribbon at the end of Davos, especially for John McDonnell and

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Jeremy Corbyn today, this deal with Google, which he tried to claim as a

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victory. It was an HM RC deal. By George Osborne claiming a victory,

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he put himself in the story and then, over the coming days, as

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politicians in all parties and the public looked more closely at the

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scale of the deal, ?5 billion in revenues and ?130 million in back

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taxes, there is a question about the smell tax and I think it is

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inevitable Labour will raise it. They think they are onto something

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and they will push it and push it began as a campaign. I understand

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later that a letter will go to the government calling on the National

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Audit Office to investigate. Europe is increasingly moving up the

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agenda. What do you hear on the latest that the government hoped for

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the timetable to get it in by the end of June but might not? The 23rd

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of June is the date to pencil into your diaries for people who are sad

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enough! It would be wise to have an eraser ready to take it out. The

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stumbling block, as we have known for some time in these negotiations,

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is the question of getting an agreement which looks anything like

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the Prime Minister's promised to ban benefits for EU workers in the UK

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for four years. In the other parts of the renegotiation, there is a way

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through, no final agreements. Officials this week are frantically

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going backwards and forwards between Brussels and London trying to find a

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way through on welfare. If that can be done, and there is a belief in

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government that it can indeed be done, because nobody wants to talk

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about this around the EU for any longer than necessary. They have

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bigger fish to fry. There is no guarantee will that, if you keep

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going on and on, that you end up with a bit agreement. The government

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is hopeful, it is possible, but they have been very careful in the last

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seven days to row back from what is the beginning of the year was

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probably public overconfidence, things like the Chancellor saying it

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was falling into place. They will still need to get it through

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Parliament. If Labour was to vote against it in June, and the Scottish

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Nationalists don't want the end of June, and the number of Eurosceptics

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peeled off, because they believe that the longer they wait for the

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referendum the better their chance of winning, they might not get it

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through for June. This sounds like all of us obsessing about ridiculous

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process but it matters enormously. There is a lot of chatter about this

:30:04.:30:07.

in the corridors of the House of Commons. If Labour could be

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persuaded or see it in their interests to give the government

:30:12.:30:15.

maximum embarrassment on this, to go alongside the Scottish Nationalists,

:30:16.:30:19.

and there is concern in Northern Ireland and Wales also about this

:30:20.:30:23.

timetable, because of the elections, if they could be persuaded it would

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be fun and larks to embarrass the government on the timetable, they

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could do it. Will Labour vote for the end of June as a referendum

:30:32.:30:37.

date? The longer we are in an uncertain situation, the worst that

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is for the UK economy, so I don't think it is about fun and games. I

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think it is about what is in the interests of the country. That is

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what we will have to discuss. I want to see what the deal is. But you

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would have a preference for sooner? I think a protracted campaign is bad

:30:56.:31:01.

for the UK and the business. That is the view among the majority of the

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PLP. I think Alan Johnson would be very unhappy about the delay. There

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are people nibbling around the edges of this. We have got the ballot

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paper. This is what we will get to vote, whatever the date is. I have

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got one for Ed Vaizey. Fill it in. But the deal hasn't come back! This

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is like a secret ballot, dear Ron The Daily Politics. We won't tell a

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soul. -- here on The Daily Politics. What have you voted? You are not

:31:40.:31:47.

going to wait for the deal to come back. You have both voted to remain.

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That is because my unswerving confidence in the Prime Minister and

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the fantastic deal he will bring back. David Cameron always wanted to

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maintain public opinion but there was a chance he might change his

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mind at the last minute. Can we believe that given that, day after

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day, he is sending more and more, close to saying... He can't wait to

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come out and start campaigning to stay in. He just wants to get on

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with it. He will take a very personal, forward, leading role in

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the campaign. While the other side is under continued question about

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how they would have as their leader, if indeed there is one leader, I

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think it is clear that the leader of the end campaign will be the Prime

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Minister. This is why there is that, what sounds like process but is

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rather important, but this spat about the timing.

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Let's see if Europe comes up. It is right our whole country should

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stand together to remember the darkest hour of our country. Last

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year, I said we would build a national memorial in London to show

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the importance Britain places on sharing the memory of the Holocaust.

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This will be built in Victoria Tower Gardens and will stand beside

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Parliament as a permanent statement of our values and will be somewhere

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for children to visit for generations to come. I am grateful

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to all those who have made this possible. This morning I had

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meetings with ministerial colleagues and others and in addition to my

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duties in this house I shall have further such meetings later today. I

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echo the Prime Minister's sentiments regarding Holocaust Memorial Day. We

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must never forget. The North Sea or an industry on which many people in

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my constituency are dependent for their livelihoods is facing very

:34:03.:34:05.

serious challenges at the current time. The government has taken steps

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to address the situation, but more is required if the industry is to

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survive and thrive. Will my right honourable friend assuming that he

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recognises the seriousness of the situation and he will do all he can

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to get the industry through these very difficult times? My honourable

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friend is right to raise this, I recognise the seriousness of the

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situation. The oil price decline is the longest in 20 years and this

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causes difficulties for the North Sea and we can see the effects in

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the east of England, in Scotland, particularly Aberdeen. I am

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determined we build a bridge to the future for all those involved in the

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North Sea. We will help the world-class sector export expertise.

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We announced 1.3 billion of support last year and we are implementing a

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review and I will be going to Aberdeen tomorrow where we will be

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saying more about what we can do to help this vital industry at this

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vital time. Jeremy Corbyn. Thank you, Mr Speaker. On behalf of the

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opposition, could I welcome the remarks the Prime Minister has just

:35:24.:35:28.

made about Holocaust Memorial Day. It is the 71st anniversary of the

:35:29.:35:34.

liberation of Auschwitz and we have to remember the deepest, darkest

:35:35.:35:38.

days of inhumanity that happened then and genocides that have

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happened since and educate another generation to avoid those for all

:35:43.:35:46.

time in the future. I thank the Prime Minister for what he said.

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Independent experts have suggested that Google is paying an effective

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tax rate on its UK profits of around 3%. Does the Prime Minister dispute

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that figure? Let's be clear what we are talking about. We are talking

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about tax that should have been collected under a Labour government,

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raised by a collected under a Labour government,

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I do dispute the figures he gives. It is quite rightly that this is

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done independently by HMRC, but I am absolutely clear that no government

:36:22.:36:26.

has done more than this one to crack down on tax evasion and aggressive

:36:27.:36:31.

tax avoidance. No government, and certainly not the last Labour

:36:32.:36:37.

government. Mr Speaker, my question actually was if the Prime Minister

:36:38.:36:42.

thinks an effective tax rate of 3% is right or wrong? He did not answer

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it. The Chancellor of the Exchequer described this arrangement as a

:36:49.:36:53.

major success, while the Prime Minister's official spokesperson

:36:54.:36:58.

only called it a step forward. The Mayor of London described the

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payment is quite derisory. What exactly is the government's position

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on this 3% rate of taxation? We have put in place a diverted profits tax

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which means this company and others will pay more tax in future. More

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tax in future than they ever paid under Labour were the tax rate for

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Google was 0%. That is what it means. Let me tell him what we have

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done. We have changed the tax law so many times that we have raised an

:37:32.:37:37.

extra 100 billion from business in the last parliament. When I came to

:37:38.:37:40.

power banks did not pay tax on all their profits, allowed under Labour,

:37:41.:37:46.

stopped under the Tories. Companies could cut their tax bill, allowed

:37:47.:37:52.

under Labour, stopped under the Tories. Companies could figure

:37:53.:37:57.

accounting rules, allowed under Labour and stopped under the Tories.

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We have done more on tax evasion and tax avoidance and Labour ever did.

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They are running to catch up, but they have not got a leg to stand on.

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Mr Speaker, it was under a Labour government that the inquiry began

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into Google and in addition as a percentage of GDP corporation tax

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receipts are lower under this government than they were under

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previous governments. I have got a question here, Mr Speaker, from a

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gentleman called Jeff. You might well laugh, but Jeff actually speaks

:38:39.:38:46.

for millions of people when he says to me... Can you ask the Prime

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Minister is as a working man of over 30 years whether there is a scheme

:38:56.:38:59.

that I can join that pays the same rate of tax as Google and other

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large corporations? What does the Prime Minister say to Jeff? What I

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say to Jeff is that his taxes are coming down under this government

:39:11.:39:14.

and Google's taxes are going up under this government. Let me say

:39:15.:39:20.

something, something he just said was factually inaccurate. He says

:39:21.:39:24.

corporation tax receipts have gone down, they have gone up by 20% under

:39:25.:39:29.

this government because we have got a strong economy with businesses

:39:30.:39:33.

making money, employing people and paying taxes into the exchequer. If

:39:34.:39:38.

like me he is genuinely angry about what happened to Google under

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Labour, maybe he should start by calling Tony Blair. You can get him

:39:44.:39:50.

and JP Morgan. Call Gordon Brown, you can get him at a Californian

:39:51.:39:55.

bond dealer. Alistair Darling is at Morgan Stanley. There is other

:39:56.:39:59.

people to blame for Google not paying their taxes. We are the ones

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who got them to pay. The problem is, Mr Speaker, that the Prime Minister

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is responsible for government and therefore is responsible for tax

:40:17.:40:22.

collection. Mr Speaker, Google made profits of ?6 billion in the UK

:40:23.:40:33.

between 2005 and 2015 and is paying 130 million pounds in tax for the

:40:34.:40:36.

whole of that decade. Millions of people this week I'm filling in

:40:37.:40:44.

their tax returns to get them in by the 31st. They have to send the form

:40:45.:40:50.

back, they do not get the option of 25 meetings with 17 ministers to

:40:51.:40:57.

decide what their rate of tax is. Many people going to their HMRC

:40:58.:41:00.

offices or returning them online this week will say this, why is

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there one rule for big multinational companies and another for ordinary,

:41:08.:41:10.

small businesses and self-employed workers? All those people filling in

:41:11.:41:16.

their tax returns will be paying lower taxes under this government. I

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have to say, he can if he wants criticise HMRC, but their work is

:41:24.:41:27.

investigated by the National Audit Office and when they did that

:41:28.:41:30.

they've found the settlements they reached with companies are fair.

:41:31.:41:36.

That is how it works. The Shadow Chancellor is pointing. The idea

:41:37.:41:40.

that those two right honourable gentleman would stand up to anyone

:41:41.:41:45.

in this regard is laughable. This week they met with the unions and

:41:46.:41:50.

they gave them flying pickets. They met with the Argentinians and they

:41:51.:41:54.

gave them the Falkland islands. They met with a bunch of migrants in

:41:55.:41:58.

Calais and said they could come to Britain. They never stand up for the

:41:59.:42:02.

hard-working British people and British taxpayers. Mr Speaker, we

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have had no answers on Google, we have had no answers on Jeff, can I

:42:18.:42:26.

raise with him another unfair tax policy that does it affect many

:42:27.:42:30.

people in this country? This morning, the Court of Appeal ruled

:42:31.:42:34.

that the bedroom tax is discriminatory because of its

:42:35.:42:41.

impact... I do not know why members opposite find this funny because it

:42:42.:42:45.

is not for those who have to pay it. The ruling is because of its impact

:42:46.:42:53.

on vulnerable people, including victims of domestic violence and

:42:54.:42:57.

disabled children. Will the Prime Minister now read the judgment and

:42:58.:43:01.

finally abandon this cruel and unjust policy which has now been

:43:02.:43:07.

ruled to be illegal? We always look very carefully at judgment on these

:43:08.:43:11.

occasions, but our fundamental position is that it is unfair to

:43:12.:43:16.

subsidise their rooms in the social sector if you do not subsidise them

:43:17.:43:21.

in the private sector where people are paying housing benefit. That is

:43:22.:43:26.

a basic issue of fairness. It is interesting that the first played he

:43:27.:43:29.

makes is something that could cost as much as ?2.5 billion in the next

:43:30.:43:36.

Parliament. Who will pay for that? Jeff will pay for it. People handing

:43:37.:43:41.

in their tax returns will pay for it. Why is it he wants to see more

:43:42.:43:47.

welfare, higher taxes, more borrowing, all the things that got

:43:48.:43:51.

us into the mess in the first place? We have not had any answers on

:43:52.:43:58.

Google or the bedroom tax. I ask the Prime Minister this, shortly before

:43:59.:44:02.

coming into the chamber I became aware of the final report of the

:44:03.:44:06.

United Nations panel of experts on Yemen which has been sent to the

:44:07.:44:09.

government and it makes disturbing reading. It says, I quote, it has

:44:10.:44:16.

documented that coalition forces have conducted air strikes,

:44:17.:44:21.

targeting civilians and civilian objects in violation of

:44:22.:44:24.

international humanitarian law, including cabs for internally

:44:25.:44:28.

displaced persons, civilian residential areas, medical

:44:29.:44:31.

facilities, schools and mosques. This is a disturbing report. Will

:44:32.:44:37.

the Prime Minister launched immediately and inquiry and a full

:44:38.:44:42.

review into the arms export licences to Saudi Arabia and suspend those

:44:43.:44:45.

arms sales until that review has been concluded? We have the

:44:46.:44:52.

strictest rules for arms exports of almost any country anywhere in the

:44:53.:44:57.

world. We are not a member of the Saudi led coalition. We are not

:44:58.:45:02.

involved in their operations, British personnel are not involved

:45:03.:45:06.

in carrying out strikes. I will look at this report as I looked at all

:45:07.:45:11.

other reports, but arms exports are carefully controlled and we are

:45:12.:45:15.

backing the legitimate government of the Yemen not least because

:45:16.:45:18.

terrorist attacks planned in the Yemen would have a direct effect on

:45:19.:45:23.

people in our country. I refuse to run a foreign policy by press

:45:24.:45:27.

release, which is what he wants, I want one in the interests of the

:45:28.:45:29.

British people. The explosion of spurious legal

:45:30.:45:40.

claims against British troops including those pursued by a law

:45:41.:45:45.

firm who has contributed tens of thousands of pounds to the Shadow

:45:46.:45:49.

Defence Secretary, undermine the ability of our Armed Forces to do

:45:50.:45:52.

their job. Will the Prime Minister join me in repudiating the disdain

:45:53.:45:57.

this shows that our brave service women and men? I absolutely agree

:45:58.:46:05.

with my honourable friend. We hold our service personnel to the highest

:46:06.:46:09.

standards, and that is right, but it is quite clear there is now an

:46:10.:46:14.

industry trying to profit by spurious claims. I am determined to

:46:15.:46:18.

do everything we can to close this bogus industry down and we should

:46:19.:46:22.

start by making clear we will take action against any legal firm we

:46:23.:46:27.

fight to abuse the system to pursue is fabricated claims. That is

:46:28.:46:34.

absolutely not acceptable. May I begin by associating the Scottish

:46:35.:46:37.

national party with the comments of the Prime Minister in reference to

:46:38.:46:41.

the Holocaust Memorial Day, and I commend governments across the UK

:46:42.:46:45.

for supporting the Holocaust commemoration trust. Does the prime

:46:46.:46:49.

ministers agreed that there is no justification for discrimination or

:46:50.:46:52.

and fairness towards women in the private sector, public sector or by

:46:53.:47:00.

government? Let me welcome what the right honourable gentleman says

:47:01.:47:03.

about the Holocaust educational trust. I remember as a new

:47:04.:47:07.

constituency MP meeting them and seeing the work they were doing in

:47:08.:47:11.

my constituency. They work hard around the clock. This day is

:47:12.:47:15.

particularly important for them. I would urge colleagues who haven't

:47:16.:47:18.

visited Auschwitz, it is something you will never forget, no matter

:47:19.:47:22.

what you have read or films you have seen or books you have read, there

:47:23.:47:26.

is nothing like seeing for yourself. In terms of wanting to end

:47:27.:47:30.

discrimination against women in the public sector, private sector, and

:47:31.:47:35.

in politics, absolutely. I welcome what the Prime Minister has to say

:47:36.:47:42.

on both accounts. He is aware of the state pension inequality which is

:47:43.:47:46.

impacting on many women and that this parliament voted unanimously

:47:47.:47:51.

for the government to immediately introduce transitional arrangements

:47:52.:47:54.

for those women negatively affected by pension equalisation. What is the

:47:55.:48:00.

Prime Minister going to do to respect the decision of this

:48:01.:48:03.

parliament and help those women who are affected, those born in the

:48:04.:48:08.

1950s, who should have had proper notice to plan their finances and

:48:09.:48:14.

retirement? First of all, the equalisation of the retirement age

:48:15.:48:17.

came about on the basis of equality, which was a judgment by the European

:48:18.:48:22.

court that we put in place in the 90s. When this government decided,

:48:23.:48:27.

rightly in my view, to raise the retirement age, we made the decision

:48:28.:48:31.

that nobody should suffer a greater than 18 month increase in their

:48:32.:48:34.

retirement age, and that is the decision this else took. In terms of

:48:35.:48:39.

ending discrimination in the system, I would say that the introduction of

:48:40.:48:45.

the single tier pension, at ?165 a week, is one of the best ways we can

:48:46.:48:49.

end discrimination because so many who are retiring will get much more

:48:50.:48:54.

under this pension which, under this government, is triple lock

:48:55.:48:56.

protected, so they will get inflation earnings or 2.5% and never

:48:57.:49:06.

again a derisory increase. Our prisons could still beat centres of

:49:07.:49:10.

radicalisation. We'll be Prime Minister look at all measures

:49:11.:49:13.

including those from the all-party report on preventing young people,

:49:14.:49:18.

troubled young people, from falling into the jaws of these dangerous,

:49:19.:49:24.

screwed up, predatory extremists? It is very disturbing that, when people

:49:25.:49:29.

are in our care, when the state is looking after them, that, on

:49:30.:49:32.

occasion, they have been radicalised because of what they have erred in

:49:33.:49:36.

prison, either from other prisoners or perhaps, on occasion, from

:49:37.:49:42.

visiting imams. We need to sort the situation out. The Justice Secretary

:49:43.:49:47.

has put in place a review. I will look carefully at her report. We

:49:48.:49:53.

must look at making sure that prisoners and the radicalise rather

:49:54.:49:58.

than made worse. Since the Chancellor took control of the

:49:59.:50:02.

public purse, he has utterly failed to get the deficit under control,

:50:03.:50:07.

and to date this year he has borrowed over ?74 billion to plug

:50:08.:50:11.

the gap or, to use the vernacular that his party is bond, for a

:50:12.:50:18.

hypothetical independent Scotland, a monumental black hole in his books.

:50:19.:50:26.

Is he now likely to reach the target by the year of something in the

:50:27.:50:30.

region of ?9 billion? Will the Prime Minister finally concede...

:50:31.:50:37.

SHOUTING I don't wish to be an guide to the

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honourable lady, but I think we have got the gist.

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SHOUTING That was a polite way of saying that

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the honourable lady had concluded. I would say that the Chancellor and

:50:53.:50:55.

the economic strategy this government has pursued as cut the

:50:56.:50:58.

deficit in half from the record level we inherited and soon it will

:50:59.:51:02.

be down by two thirds. We are meeting what we want to see in terms

:51:03.:51:05.

of debt falling as a share of GDP. What a contrast with a situation

:51:06.:51:11.

which Scotland would be facing if Scotland had voted for independence

:51:12.:51:14.

in just six weeks' time. We have actually seen a collapse of 94% of

:51:15.:51:21.

oil revenues. Because we have the broad shoulders of the UK, that

:51:22.:51:26.

collapsed in the oil price and the taxation won't affect people in

:51:27.:51:30.

Scotland but, at Scotland dream independent, it would be a very dark

:51:31.:51:35.

day indeed. -- had Scotland been independent. I recently helped a

:51:36.:51:41.

mental health -- mental health forum where I broad service users and

:51:42.:51:45.

commissioners together to explore how we could improve mental health

:51:46.:51:50.

services. And I welcome the Prime Minister's Wiese and announcement on

:51:51.:51:53.

increased funding for mental health services? -- recent announcement.

:51:54.:52:01.

His commitments are a clear indication of our desire to have a

:52:02.:52:03.

revolution in mental health services in Britain, and he has delivered

:52:04.:52:10.

some commitments on that. I am grateful to what my honourable

:52:11.:52:14.

friend says. There is further to go by this government is investing more

:52:15.:52:17.

in mental health, we have introduced waiting times. Young people

:52:18.:52:22.

suffering episodes of psychosis should be seen within two weeks.

:52:23.:52:27.

There is funding, parity of esteem, waiting time, but there also needs

:52:28.:52:32.

to be a bigger culture change, not just in the NHS but across the

:52:33.:52:35.

public and private sectors so mental health commissions are given the

:52:36.:52:40.

attention they deserve. From this April, a woman who works full-time

:52:41.:52:45.

stands to lose thousands of pounds in tax credits if she becomes

:52:46.:52:50.

pregnant with her first child. When will this prime ministers stop

:52:51.:52:55.

attacking working people? Forwarding like that, we are making sure that

:52:56.:52:59.

this year they can earn ?11,000 without paying any income tax. If

:53:00.:53:03.

they are on low wages, the minimum wage, they get a 7% pay increase

:53:04.:53:08.

because of the national living wage. For the first time, there will be 30

:53:09.:53:13.

hours of free childcare for those people. That is what we are doing

:53:14.:53:17.

for hard-working people. Do we need to look at reforming welfare? Yes,

:53:18.:53:22.

we do. If the honourable gentleman read the report into why his party

:53:23.:53:26.

lost the election, not the one that they published, the secret one that

:53:27.:53:31.

we read over the weekend, it is by endlessly arguing for higher and

:53:32.:53:35.

higher welfare the British public rightly concluded that, under

:53:36.:53:41.

Labour, there would be higher taxes. I warmly welcome the Prime

:53:42.:53:46.

Minister's words on creating a national memorial to the victims of

:53:47.:53:51.

the Holocaust. Tonight in Harrow, representatives of the whole

:53:52.:53:54.

community will come together to listen to be people who survived the

:53:55.:53:58.

Holocaust, because that is the only way we can really preserve their

:53:59.:54:02.

memory. My right honourable friend is rightly alluded to the wonderful

:54:03.:54:06.

work of the Holocaust educational trust in allowing literally

:54:07.:54:10.

thousands of young people to visit Auschwitz and see for themselves

:54:11.:54:15.

first-hand. Will he commit the government to continue funding the

:54:16.:54:18.

Holocaust educational trust so that many thousands more can see the

:54:19.:54:23.

horrors of the Holocaust? I certainly can make that commitment.

:54:24.:54:28.

We have funded it by over ?10 million since I became Prime

:54:29.:54:31.

Minister. It does excellent work. I think there is a real need now, as

:54:32.:54:35.

tragically the remaining Holocaust survivors are coming to the end of

:54:36.:54:39.

their lives, many of them are now speaking up in the most moving and

:54:40.:54:43.

powerful way. I will be sending some time today with some of them,

:54:44.:54:46.

recording their test dummies, which must be part of our memorial --

:54:47.:54:55.

testimonies, we must capture that for generations to come. In 2013,

:54:56.:55:04.

the energy and climate change select committee recommended extending the

:55:05.:55:07.

retention of business rates to include new build nuclear power

:55:08.:55:11.

stations. The centre for nuclear excellence is in my constituency and

:55:12.:55:17.

the new build is a vital for our economic prosperity. Given the

:55:18.:55:20.

government cuts to Cumbrian councils, does the Prime Minister

:55:21.:55:24.

agree that, if we are to truly build a northern powerhouse, our local

:55:25.:55:32.

authorities must retain all from nuclear new-build? We are committed

:55:33.:55:38.

to the new nuclear industry. We are obviously making good progress with

:55:39.:55:41.

Hinkley Point but we need to see another big station go ahead. I will

:55:42.:55:46.

look carefully at what she says about business rate retention and

:55:47.:55:49.

business rates more broadly, but the most important thing is to have an

:55:50.:55:52.

energy infrastructure that allows for the delivery of new nuclear

:55:53.:55:57.

power stations. That is the position on this side of the house. A closed

:55:58.:56:07.

question. This government is committed to regenerating coastal

:56:08.:56:11.

towns and ensuring that everybody, regardless of where they live, as

:56:12.:56:14.

access to high quality public services and the best opportunities.

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On this question, Ian Paisley. I beg your pardon, Mr Vickers first. I

:56:23.:56:34.

thank the Prime Minister for his reply and I recognised the

:56:35.:56:36.

initiatives that the government has taken. He will know that many

:56:37.:56:41.

coastal towns like Cleethorpes suffer from poor educational

:56:42.:56:46.

standards. We have many high performing academies who are trying

:56:47.:56:50.

to reverse that and to ensure that our young people have access to

:56:51.:56:53.

sports, arts and culture at the highest level. The council are

:56:54.:56:59.

currently preparing a report with the private sector. Will he commit

:57:00.:57:03.

the government to work with the council to deliver regeneration to

:57:04.:57:08.

Cleethorpes? Nobody could silence the voice of the number! I think my

:57:09.:57:11.

honourable friend is right and I am happy to look at that proposal with

:57:12.:57:17.

him. We have to make sure we tackle both failing schools and coastal

:57:18.:57:22.

schools, and there are some in coastal areas. One of the issues is

:57:23.:57:27.

making sure we get talented teachers and leaders into those schools, and

:57:28.:57:31.

that is what the national leaders of education service is all about.

:57:32.:57:41.

Wratten Island is the only inhabited coastal village town in my

:57:42.:57:44.

constituency. No British Prime Minister has ever had the privilege

:57:45.:57:53.

to visit. I hope that the Prime Minister will make a plan to visit,

:57:54.:57:55.

which has considerable economic needs. I am the first British by

:57:56.:58:03.

Minister to visit many parts of the country. The first to go to

:58:04.:58:09.

Shetland! I fear that, if I were to visit, many people might like me to

:58:10.:58:12.

stay there. But I will bear it in mind. Rugby is the fastest growing

:58:13.:58:19.

town in the West Midlands with work underway to provide 6200 much-needed

:58:20.:58:23.

new homes at the Rugby radio site, but my constituents are keen to

:58:24.:58:26.

ensure that public services keep pace with developers and

:58:27.:58:30.

particularly to seek more services at the local hospital. Does the

:58:31.:58:35.

prime ministers agreed with the NHS chief executive that district

:58:36.:58:37.

hospitals such as this play an excellent role in the NHS? I am a

:58:38.:58:43.

believer in district general hospitals and I know what a strong

:58:44.:58:47.

support of Saint Crossed he is. I know there is a dedicated outpatient

:58:48.:58:54.

facility there. We are going to achieve these very aggressive

:58:55.:58:58.

house-building targets that we put forward, there will be more houses

:58:59.:59:02.

built in most our constituencies. As far as we can, we will try to

:59:03.:59:07.

welcome that, that is important, and to make sure that the infrastructure

:59:08.:59:12.

is provided. Not everybody is as satisfied as the Chancellor with

:59:13.:59:17.

what, for Google, is loose change to cover their tax liabilities. On

:59:18.:59:21.

Monday, the honourable member for ABBA valley called on the government

:59:22.:59:27.

to make companies publish their tax returns. In that way, we can all see

:59:28.:59:31.

how they make the journey from their tax profits to their tax bill. Does

:59:32.:59:37.

the Prime Minister agree? I want to wonder whether the right honourable

:59:38.:59:41.

lady whether raised this issue when she sat in the Labour cabinet, when

:59:42.:59:46.

Google were paying no tax. What we have is a situation where we make

:59:47.:59:50.

the rules in this house and where HMAC ether to enforce them. That is

:59:51.:59:54.

the system that we need to make work. -- H MRC. As cancer survival

:59:55.:00:02.

rates continue to improve, and given that this is cancer talk week, will

:00:03.:00:06.

my right honourable friend join me in welcoming a new state cancer

:00:07.:00:12.

information centre due to enter at Royal Bolton hospital, and praise

:00:13.:00:19.

the commitment of Midland cancer care, Bolton hospice, and the local

:00:20.:00:24.

cancer commissioning group, who are all making this happening is to mark

:00:25.:00:32.

--? Everybody in this house knows a family member who has been touched

:00:33.:00:37.

by cancer. The good news is that cancer survival rates are improving.

:00:38.:00:40.

We need to make sure they improve across all cancers, not just the

:00:41.:00:45.

best-known ones. What he says is that this is not just an issue for

:00:46.:00:49.

the NHS but all of those because IT bodies which also want to campaign

:00:50.:00:56.

and act on helping cancer sufferers. --. In 2014I wrote to the Prime

:00:57.:01:03.

Minister asking him to join the Scottish Government and Highland

:01:04.:01:08.

Council in taking forward a city deal for Inverness. Highland Council

:01:09.:01:12.

have submitted a detailed plan on the region for young people. Will be

:01:13.:01:16.

Prime Minister committed to giving this the green light in the coming

:01:17.:01:21.

weeks? We are committed to examining the city deal with Inverness, as we

:01:22.:01:24.

have made good progress with Aberdeen. I think these bring

:01:25.:01:28.

together the best of what the Scottish Government can put on the

:01:29.:01:32.

table but also the best of what the UK Government can put on the table

:01:33.:01:36.

because, without wanting to be too political, the two governments

:01:37.:01:40.

working together can do even more. Could I thank the Prime Minister for

:01:41.:01:47.

meeting the deposed mould even Prime Minister -- president on Saturday?

:01:48.:01:54.

Will he work towards an international consensus on targeted

:01:55.:01:58.

sanctions so that the regime of the Maldives may reconsider their

:01:59.:02:03.

appalling human rights record and their record on democracy? It was an

:02:04.:02:08.

honour to meet with the former president, who I think did an

:02:09.:02:12.

excellent job for his country in cutting out corruption and turning

:02:13.:02:16.

that country around. He suffered terribly by being in prison and it

:02:17.:02:20.

is good that he is able to get out to seek medical treatment, but we

:02:21.:02:24.

want to see a change in behaviour from the government of the Maldives,

:02:25.:02:28.

to make sure political prisoners are set free, and we are prepared to

:02:29.:02:33.

consider targeted action against individuals if progress isn't made.

:02:34.:02:37.

Let's hope that diplomatic efforts will lead to the changes we want to

:02:38.:02:43.

see, but Britain, and our allies, including Sri Lanka and India,

:02:44.:02:52.

watching situation carefully. 46% of five-year-old children in Bradford

:02:53.:02:56.

suffer from dental decay compared with 28% across England, and less

:02:57.:03:00.

than half the children living in Bradford district has seen a dentist

:03:01.:03:03.

in the last two years. Given the cost of treating toothpick care --

:03:04.:03:09.

tooth decay, they exceed the cost of prevention, would the Prime Minister

:03:10.:03:14.

look at dental provision in the area? If you take a view across the

:03:15.:03:21.

country, before 2010, we had huge queues around the block when a new

:03:22.:03:24.

NHS dentist turned up was there were not enough. They may not and shake

:03:25.:03:28.

their heads, but that is what happened. Some of us can remember.

:03:29.:03:35.

We have seen a big increase in NHS dentistry, but I will look carefully

:03:36.:03:39.

at the situation in Bradford. As my right honourable friend knows, a

:03:40.:03:45.

task force is set to deliver its report on a resilient railway to

:03:46.:03:49.

Devon and Cornwall. Would the Prime Minister be prepared to meet with me

:03:50.:03:52.

and a number of colleagues to make sure that Network Rail and the task

:03:53.:03:57.

force is enough for two studies, the electrification of the line and the

:03:58.:04:01.

reduction in journey time is necessary to do this? I had an

:04:02.:04:04.

excellent meeting with the south coast -- south-west peninsula task

:04:05.:04:09.

force and I will make sure that I continue to liaise closely with

:04:10.:04:12.

them. We need to find an answer and we need to find the funding. We

:04:13.:04:16.

can't have happen what happened in the past, where a problem on our

:04:17.:04:21.

Railways led to the peninsula being cut off. Would be Prime Minister

:04:22.:04:29.

join me in congratulating my constituents, Dominic and Rebecca

:04:30.:04:32.

from Mitcham, on the birth of their daughter, Alice. Like every parents,

:04:33.:04:36.

they want their daughter to have better opportunities than they had

:04:37.:04:41.

but, with average London house prices increasing by ?40,000 in 2013

:04:42.:04:46.

alone, and the average house in London being now worth over half ?1

:04:47.:04:50.

million, does he understand their fears and Alice will never have the

:04:51.:04:54.

chance they had to buy her own home in the area she was born in? I want

:04:55.:05:00.

to help Alice and many like her get on the housing ladder, which is why

:05:01.:05:03.

we are introducing shared ownership, which brings housing in reach of

:05:04.:05:08.

many more people. It is why we have helped by London, which is twice as

:05:09.:05:12.

generous as the rest of the country. It is why we selling off the most

:05:13.:05:16.

expensive council houses and rebuilding more affordable homes. --

:05:17.:05:22.

help to buy London. These are all under the guidance and drive of Zac

:05:23.:05:25.

Goldsmith, who will make an excellent...

:05:26.:05:29.

SHOUTING That is the best chance of a home,

:05:30.:05:34.

to have a Conservative mayor and a Conservative government working hand

:05:35.:05:41.

in glove. Someone experiencing a mental health crisis who goes in

:05:42.:05:46.

desperation to A needs prompt specialist help. Can I welcome my

:05:47.:05:51.

right honourable friend's recognition of psychiatric liaison?

:05:52.:05:58.

Does he agree that 20 47 psychiatric liaison in A is an important step

:05:59.:06:06.

towards self-esteem? We are seeing more mental health and psychiatric

:06:07.:06:10.

liaison in our A We need overtime to see it in all. So often

:06:11.:06:14.

people are arriving not in the right setting, where they should be

:06:15.:06:17.

looking after. Whether it is getting people with mental health conditions

:06:18.:06:22.

out of police cells or making sure they are treated properly in prison

:06:23.:06:27.

or, crucially, when they arrived in A, make sure they get this

:06:28.:06:30.

treatment is very much part of our plan. I commend the Prime Minister

:06:31.:06:35.

for his remarks about Holocaust Memorial Day. In honouring the

:06:36.:06:39.

memory of those murdered by the Nazis, we provide the best candidate

:06:40.:06:44.

to extremism and anti-Semitism anti-Semitism in our age. The

:06:45.:06:47.

biggest challenge Europe today is the predicted 3 million refugees who

:06:48.:06:54.

will flood into Europe. Does he agree that the only way to challenge

:06:55.:06:58.

a crisis of that magnitude is by starting working with our European

:06:59.:07:03.

colleagues at the heart of a united Europe? Would you take this

:07:04.:07:07.

opportunity to welcome in and provide a home for the 3000

:07:08.:07:10.

unaccompanied children, as recommended by save the children?

:07:11.:07:16.

Where I agree with the right honourable gentleman is the

:07:17.:07:19.

importance of taking action to help with this crisis. No country in

:07:20.:07:24.

Europe has been more generous than Britain in funding refugees, whether

:07:25.:07:32.

they are in Syria, Turkey, Lebanon or Jordan. Where I don't agree with

:07:33.:07:38.

the right honourable gentleman is thinking that the right answer is

:07:39.:07:43.

for Britain to opt into the EU relocation and resettlement schemes.

:07:44.:07:47.

Let me tell him as for why. We said we will resettle 20,000 people in

:07:48.:07:50.

our country. We promised 1000 by Christmas. Because of the hard work

:07:51.:07:56.

of the honourable member for Watford, we achieved that. If you

:07:57.:08:00.

add up all that Europe has done under its relocation scheme and its

:08:01.:08:08.

recent resettlement scheme, they have done less than we have done in

:08:09.:08:13.

the UK. Yes, we should take part in European schemes when it is in our

:08:14.:08:18.

interests, helped to secure the external European border, but we are

:08:19.:08:22.

out of the Schengen agreement, we keep our own borders and, under this

:08:23.:08:25.

government, that is how it will stay.

:08:26.:08:40.

The Prime Minister referred to those in the calorie count as a bunch of

:08:41.:08:47.

migrants. We welcome back to that in a minute. As expected, the Leader of

:08:48.:08:54.

the Opposition went on the tax settlement. It will make the news

:08:55.:08:59.

tomorrow as well. Jeremy Corbyn raising the question of whether the

:09:00.:09:03.

HMRC has really raised as much as it could have done over a tax

:09:04.:09:09.

settlement that goes back to 2005 with a company that generates

:09:10.:09:12.

billions of pounds every year. The Prime Minister retorted it had not

:09:13.:09:18.

paid any tax under Labour and I guess the general line of the

:09:19.:09:23.

government is 130 million is better than nothing. It went back and

:09:24.:09:27.

forward a bit like that. Let's hear from our experts and a minute.

:09:28.:09:33.

First, let's hear how you reacted. The tax settlement angered many of

:09:34.:09:38.

our viewers. Thomas said, can I pay 3% tax on my earnings? Somebody

:09:39.:09:44.

said, love it, ten minutes in and Cameron is losing his rag. Someone

:09:45.:09:48.

says, I would like to pay the same rate as Google.

:09:49.:09:53.

Michael says labour and Jeremy Corbyn are returning to the spiked

:09:54.:09:58.

agenda. The Prime Minister handled this attack with ease. John Glenn

:09:59.:10:04.

says, it is becoming pitiable. I feel sorry for Jeremy Corbyn, camera

:10:05.:10:08.

and savages him every week and makes him look ill suited to the role.

:10:09.:10:15.

Somebody says, you cannot equate Google in 2009 and Google today,

:10:16.:10:21.

that shows how bad he is at fairness. And the Prime Minister's

:10:22.:10:29.

use of the phrase a bunch of migrants. Chuka Umunna says it is

:10:30.:10:32.

inflammatory and unbecoming of his office. Diane Ah but said it was

:10:33.:10:36.

callous. Was that appropriate language? We often have debate about

:10:37.:10:43.

the language used by Prime Minister and other prominent politicians,

:10:44.:10:47.

particularly in the cauldron of the House of commons with a lot of

:10:48.:10:51.

pressure and hundreds of MPs baying at you. It is an excuse for not

:10:52.:10:56.

debating the real issue. Should we allow people count in Calais to come

:10:57.:11:00.

to this country? The Prime Minister is getting it right in terms of

:11:01.:11:05.

immigration policy. He is helping people in the camps in Syria. We

:11:06.:11:10.

have got a huge overseas aid budget. But was it regrettable language? We

:11:11.:11:16.

always talk about language, people have their views and the Prime

:11:17.:11:19.

Minister said he did not agree with Jeremy Corbyn that the people camped

:11:20.:11:24.

in Calais should come to this country and be given a free pass.

:11:25.:11:29.

Does that include unaccompanied children? There was talk that

:11:30.:11:33.

government may agree to unaccompanied children coming in? I

:11:34.:11:37.

have seen that talked and I gather it is being considered. I do not

:11:38.:11:42.

know if there was a conclusion reached. There are a range of issues

:11:43.:11:47.

you have to take into account, the law of unintended consequences, but

:11:48.:11:49.

the government will look at this issue. I can see in some way where

:11:50.:11:55.

the Google story goes because Apple, Amazon, Facebook are in the line for

:11:56.:12:01.

the same sort of treatment and I guess HMRC will come under pressure

:12:02.:12:05.

to be tougher with those that are still outstanding. But given HMRC is

:12:06.:12:11.

bound not to release the details of how it has calculated the 130

:12:12.:12:16.

million, I am not sure where this story goes next. In terms of new

:12:17.:12:22.

events and consequences of all the political anger, it is not clear

:12:23.:12:29.

either. But a spikier Jeremy Corbyn today succeeded in keeping this

:12:30.:12:34.

going, it will go for another 24 hours. It winds up members of the

:12:35.:12:39.

public, there is no question about that. At the same time David Cameron

:12:40.:12:43.

was very well prepped for that attack. It was inevitable he would

:12:44.:12:48.

go on that. Reading out the list of the senior members of the former

:12:49.:12:52.

Labour government now working for financial firms was designed to

:12:53.:12:57.

embarrass Jeremy Corbyn. The attack was Labour did not do anything about

:12:58.:13:01.

this either. But it is the kind of issue where Labour think they can

:13:02.:13:06.

make some ground by keeping the issue going and saying they are on

:13:07.:13:09.

the side of the ordinary person saying, this is not fair. The

:13:10.:13:14.

government needs all the money it can get. There was an implication

:13:15.:13:19.

the government was too close to Google and there was a lot of

:13:20.:13:23.

personal contact. But it may be a bit of a stretch to think that the

:13:24.:13:28.

closeness has resulted in a lower tax bill. Indeed. Jeremy Corbyn was

:13:29.:13:36.

almost suggesting there talking about contacts between the firms

:13:37.:13:40.

that there was some kind of interference. I agree, that is a bit

:13:41.:13:45.

of a stretch. It would be a great story if it was true. Yes, it would,

:13:46.:13:52.

but when you look at the lifestyle of the story, it is a mistake for

:13:53.:13:59.

George Osborne to claim it was a victory. He put himself in the story

:14:00.:14:04.

and ask for the credit and it turns out not to have been such a triumph

:14:05.:14:08.

after all in the public mind and he is left with a difficult position,

:14:09.:14:14.

it is difficult politically to claim credit for something and when it

:14:15.:14:17.

does not turn out to be such a try and say it is nothing to do with me.

:14:18.:14:24.

Did Number Ten distance themselves? After the coverage at the weekend

:14:25.:14:27.

they were not going to go on the record and say it was a marvellous

:14:28.:14:31.

success. As ever, these things are sometimes overdone. If George

:14:32.:14:38.

Osborne had not tweeted it, it would not have been politicised in the

:14:39.:14:43.

same way? They would have been a bit of a rumpus, but not in the same

:14:44.:14:48.

way. Yvette Cooper has raised as a point of order the Prime Minister's

:14:49.:14:52.

remark, a bunch of migrants. I thought it was surprising he used

:14:53.:14:57.

it. I thought he was in full flow and probably a bit angry and

:14:58.:15:00.

sometimes you say things you do not need to. Having just announced the

:15:01.:15:04.

Holocaust memorial to then say a bunch of migrants, he will be

:15:05.:15:10.

particularly jarred. I was also surprised by Jeremy Corbyn not

:15:11.:15:15.

taking a segue to react to that, given he had been in the camps and

:15:16.:15:21.

have called for unaccompanied children to come here and for

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Britain to be more generous. Did he miss an opportunity? I was shocked

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when I heard the Prime Minister say it, it was offensive, hurtful,

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divisive. It is not the first time we have heard David Cameron slip up

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in this way. I appreciate what you say about the heat of the moment,

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but this kind of language when you are a Prime Minister is so important

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to get it right. Jeremy Corbyn is also under pressure in the heat of

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the moment. But I think we were all really taken aback and silenced.

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Except Jeremy Corbyn had been there and he had seen these people in the

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camps. The Prime Minister has not been there. There is the question

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about whether we should not be more generous about our treatment of

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unaccompanied children, some of whom were in that camp. I think we should

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be speaking out really clearly from a moral position about our

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obligations towards those very vulnerable children at every

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opportunity. What Jeremy saw in the camps will have brought home to him

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about the horror of what those children are going through. We

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should be looking for opportunities across all parties to use the right

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language and to develop policies to bring these children here as quickly

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as possible. The run-up to the referendum, even the negotiation and

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up to the February summit and beyond, the backdrop of developing

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events in Europe could be horrendous and particularly horrendous for

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those who want this country to stay in Europe.

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There is no question this is in minister 's mind. That is part of

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the reason they are trying to get this deal done in February, partly

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because the expectation is that, in coming months and through the

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summer, the huge volumes of people and the distress that we see night

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after night on our television screens is not going to get better,

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and it may get worse. Politically, the situation is so much more acute

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now, now that we also see the kind of chaos and suffering in European

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capitals. This is no longer what we see, a question about people

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moving... In the Balkans. Indeed, places the British voters are

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familiar with, places they might have been on holiday. That might

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sound crass, but this is part of the population that ministers are aware

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of, the broader canvas of what is going on in the world when we choose

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whether to stay or leave the EU, in a lot of people's minds, that will

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be more significant than the campaigns themselves.

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Now, how old should you be before you're allowed to stick an X

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on a ballot paper and stick it in a box?

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Well, like the UK most people around the world are allowed to vote

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Some buck the trend and opt for 21, like Cameroon for example.

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Others, like Austria, have recently lowered

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Some people want to do the same here, but should we in fact be

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Here's political journalist Samual Hooper with

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Going to university used to signify growing up,

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leaving the family nest and taking your first steps

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as an adult but, for a growing number of today's students,

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Many of today's students want to turn university campuses

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and students' unions into safe spaces, where

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dissenting and controversial ideas are banned and free speech

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is suspended for their mental safety.

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MUSIC: Teenage Kicks by The Undertones.

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Student activists have taken to banning

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clapping in meetings, claiming that it triggers anxiety,

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and some are now even demanding the airbrushing

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or rewriting of history to remove any reference to controversial

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figures from the past, like Cecil Rhodes.

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Students here in the Oxford union voted last week to remove his statue

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If students want to be treated like emotionally fragile children,

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do they not forfeit the right to have a

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We don't let children drink, smoke or drive.

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Ironically, there is currently a push to lower the voting age

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in the UK, giving 16 and 17-year-olds the right to take

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But, since this generation of students feel harmed

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by hearing dissenting opinions or the mere act of public debate,

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rather than talking about lowering the voting age, shouldn't we be

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I am assured that you are over the age of 25, at least. What age would

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you raise the voting age to? It is an interesting question, and I am

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not the only one who has brought this up. After a number of

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high-profile incidents on American the respected American law professor

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and blogger Glenn Reynolds suggested raising the age to 25, which was

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after we saw Yale students go berserk over a flash in the pan

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drama over Halloween costumes. We saw the university of Missouri drum

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the team out of his job and then he insisted -- they apologise that he

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go and apologise for male privilege. Does that justify a campaign to

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raise the voting age? If you look at the background of these demands for

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trigger warnings and safe spaces, students saying that they feel

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emotionally fragile, they are encountering an opinion which goes

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against their views, akin to being physically punched in the face. They

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take it as if they are incurring emotional harm. I am saying, if you

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believe you are incurring emotional harm, maybe wait a few years before

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you enter the rough world of politics. It is heavy punishment on

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all young people of 18-25, denying them the right to vote because of a

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handful of student unions behaving liberally. I watched some of the

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youth Parliament earlier, and you saw some of the brightest 16 and

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17-year-olds you will ever see. Something seems to happen when you

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hit the age of 18. I don't know why, something goes crazy and... We say

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it is only a few students, but we take our view from America and this

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problem is getting a lot bigger in the US. People's careers are being

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ended, people's curriculum is limited. You were there inside the

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Oxford union. They make a point of inviting controversial speakers, and

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they have done over the decades, from Nick Griffin, Marine Le Pen, OJ

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Simpson, which I suggest is encouraging free debate. Let's put

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the point Ed Vaizey, who was laughing, about what happens when

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you turn 18. Do you think people are responsible enough at age 18? The

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thesis seemed to be developing that, given your experience of the youth

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Parliament, you could have the vote for 16-18 and then lose it and get

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it back at 25! I think people are responsible at 18. Kate and I go to

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our secondary schools and talk to 16 -- sixth formers. They are extremely

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articulate. I wouldn't go to 16, but I totally understand people who

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campaign for it. I don't think it is a ridiculous suggestion. I am happy

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with the status quo. I think 18 is right. But you meet a lot of

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articular and intelligent people younger than that, just as you meet

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people who are older who are not. There have been these examples of a

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liberal activity, depriving students of free speech, trying to stop

:23:36.:23:39.

Germaine Greer, for example, coming to Cardiff university because of her

:23:40.:23:43.

views on transgender people, and the debate over the Cecil Rhodes statue.

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Is this an indication that there is a lack of maturity among students,

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that they are trying to clamp down on free speech? I don't think it is

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a new thing. There have always been controversies in universities over

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who will be invited and given a platform, and that is part of

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exploring boundaries and debating issues. We shouldn't forget that the

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government is effectively clamping down on free speech in in

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universities with some of its counter extremism proposals. I don't

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think it is age related. It is a matter of getting the balance right.

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Now, how do you like to spend your annual leave?

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Are you like our Kate here, who enjoys sipping sangria

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Or are you, like our Ed, more of an opera in Tuscany sort

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Or would you rather spend your holidays somewhere

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# Get your passport and your bikini You need a holiday, come see me

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# I know you're tired of the same old scenery

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# And I could change all that so easily

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# Go wild, do your thing, yo, take a chance

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# I'll take you to the South of France, like Cannes

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And they should have never, ever, ever been in the country.

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# There's just a few days in the year

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# Plus I've got car So let's ride that...#

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And that means saying no to Donald Trump.

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Thank you everybody, thank you.

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# If you ain't doing nothing let's fly away

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# If you ain't doing nothing let's fly away

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# We can go to the club or hide away

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# We can do what you want to, baby...#

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Well, one travel company has raised eyebrows by offering a ?2,370

:25:37.:25:39.

package holiday to the European Parliament ahead

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And as you saw, there are separate trips on offer to North Korea,

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Israel and Palestine, Iran and the US in November

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The travellers will spend their time not relaxing

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on the beach, but instead having meetings with politicians

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Nicholas Wood, the Director of Political Tours, joins me now.

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Exactly why would I pay ?2500 to hang out in Brussels? Good question.

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One could ask why people watch this programme. The same kind of people

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come on our tours. Is it that bad? It is! Did this programme give you

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the idea? I used to be a journalist and I had family who would come and

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visit me in the Balkans. They found it fascinating. What would an

:26:37.:26:41.

average night out in Brussels be on this trip? It is five days long...

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Five days! You could go to Thailand for that! Some people enjoy opera

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and beaches and other people like learning how the world ticks. It is

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almost like having your own personal correspondent. You can go and get

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access to P2 sacred places you might not be able to normally. -- access

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to places. Andrew wants to go. Put his name down.

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JoCo wants to go to North Korea. Could you arrange that? I got you a

:27:23.:27:33.

present from Cuba. Where is mine? We can be bought. How much would you

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pay not to see a European Parliament debate? How many people go on these

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trips? Detours are quite small. You can't take a bus load of people...

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Basically, you are trying to replicate what journalists do. We

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take small groups between six and ten people and you get access to

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people involved actively in politics. You have senior

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correspondents working with you. It really brings the news to life. It

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is like a seminar on tour. It is called Political Tours, the clue is

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in the name. There are other package tours available. Monte Cristo, Romeo

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and Juliet. The answer to Guess The Year was 2009. Could one of you

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press the button? That was done tentatively. Carol and Gregory in

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Reading, well done. -- Caroline Gregory. You have won a political

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tour to North Korea as well as a mug. The one o'clock news is

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starting on BBC One. I will be here tomorrow with all the usual

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political stories of the day. Bye-bye.

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Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn are joined by culture minister Ed Vaizey and shadow women and equalities minister Kate Green for the latest political news from Westminster, including live coverage of Prime Minister's Questions.


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