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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
Would leaving the EU lead to a decade of uncertainty? | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
That's what the Government claims and it's released a series | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
of documents to prove it, warning of protracted negotiations | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
on a number of issues including the status of British citizens | :00:53. | :00:54. | |
Vote Leave dismisses the claims as scaremongering. | :00:55. | :01:01. | |
Nearly a million jobs to go in the retail sector over the next | :01:02. | :01:04. | |
decade, according to industry experts. | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
Our Ellie discovers she's a bit of a book worm as she delves | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
into the contents of the House of Commons library. | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
And our Adam's been investigating famous political meal deals. | :01:16. | :01:20. | |
Europe was on the menu here at the Dorchester Hotel | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
during the 1975 referendum because Labour and Tory inners | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
would meet here for secret breakfasts. | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
It was a serve-yourself buffet, so there would be no waiters, | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
All that in the next hour and with us for the duration, two | :01:33. | :01:45. | |
Former Environment Secretary, Conservative MP, Owen Patterson, | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
and former Shadow Europe Minister, Labour's Emma Reynolds. | :01:51. | :01:52. | |
Now first today, a touch of glamour and to the Oscars which turned | :01:53. | :02:00. | |
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome your host, | :02:01. | :02:09. | |
Man, I counted at least 15 black people on that montage! | :02:10. | :02:32. | |
Well, I'm here at the Academy Awards. | :02:33. | :02:39. | |
Otherwise known as the white people's choice awards. | :02:40. | :02:46. | |
You realise, if they nominated host, I wouldn't even get this job! | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
Thank you all for this amazing award tonight. | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
Let us not take this planet for granted. | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
I stand here tonight as a proud gay man and I hope we can all stand | :02:57. | :03:14. | |
This year, in the in memoriam package, there's just going to be | :03:15. | :03:22. | |
black people that were shot by the cops on their way | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
# Till it happens to you, you won't know how I feel #. | :03:26. | :03:47. | |
Do you embrace this new political age at the Oscars? Why not. Chris | :03:48. | :03:55. | |
Rock is an incredibly funny comedian, I heard somebody say this | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
morning who had been there that some of the jokes were a bit close to the | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
bone and they felt you couldn't laugh and you felt that just | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
watching him. But why shouldn't movie stars and others did out | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
messages about climate change, gay rights, child abuse? It is very | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
powerful because people looked up to them in this age of celebrity. But | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
it made you feel uncomfortable at that sort of event to have those | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
quite hard-core messages, certainly that sort of event to have those | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
from this rock? I had not seen it direct like that -- from Chris Rock. | :04:31. | :04:37. | |
It might have an impact on the people making films. | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
It might have an impact on the people you choose the Oscars only | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
work on what they are given, it is not just those in the judging panel | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
scum it is those who put the films together so it might have an impact | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
across the industry -- so it is those. There might be people who | :04:56. | :05:03. | |
just say these are glib comments, they don't | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
just say these are glib comments, anything serious. Why shouldn't they | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
have a view on politics? One of the reasons it has become more political | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
is because they're obviously weren't any lack nominees for the second | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
year running. Idris Elba came to Parliament a few weeks ago and it | :05:19. | :05:25. | |
relates to what Owen was saying, the people writing scripts and films | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
should think about creating roles that are not just for white people. | :05:30. | :05:36. | |
And he was saying that the problem was getting these roles. To break | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
through the glass ceiling it takes people making the films to start | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
thinking about these things. Let's see if it changes next year. | :05:47. | :05:48. | |
The question for today is, who is advising Jeremy Corbyn's | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
Former Greek Finance Minister, Yanis Varoufakis? | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
Or Chinese Finance Minister Lou Jiwei? | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
At the end of the show, Emma and Owen will give us | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
This morning the Government warned that a vote to leave to EU | :06:05. | :06:11. | |
could lead to a "decade of uncertainty". | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
The Government's first official analysis claims the UK would be | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
unlikely to negotiate its exit within the two-year timetable | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
and that it could take the UK ten years to extricate itself. | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
It suggests other countries could push for concessions if the UK | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
It says a new agreement on trade might require ratification by other | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
The report claims that this uncertainty would have an impact | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
on "financial markets, investment, and the value of the pound". | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
It also warns that the rights of 2 million British expats to work | :06:47. | :06:49. | |
and access services in EU countries might not be guaranteed. | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
But Commons leader Chris Grayling, who is campaigning for Britain | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
to leave the EU, said the ten-year claim was "ludicrous". | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
He accused the Government of running a "relentless campaign of fear". | :07:03. | :07:11. | |
Do you agree with that assessment, a ten year period of uncertainty if we | :07:12. | :07:19. | |
vote to leave? The truth is we don't know. Switzerland are still trying | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
to negotiate better access to the single market which they don't have | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
that unfettered access, being outside. They had to negotiate all | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
sorts of agreements with different member states. I think it is in our | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
interest to stay in, economically, and I think it is right to point at | :07:40. | :07:47. | |
the risk of leaving. I think the government is right to do an | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
analysis of what it might mean and I think there would be a lot of | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
uncertainty. The pound last week dropped to its lowest value for | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
seven years because of the uncertainty of the referendum and | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
fears of the UK perhaps leaving and that underlines what might happen. | :08:06. | :08:11. | |
One of the sections in the assessment is uncertainty during the | :08:12. | :08:14. | |
negotiating period which could be two years after the date of the | :08:15. | :08:20. | |
referendum result. It could have an impact on financial markets, | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
investment and the value of the pound and on the wide economy. Is | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
there anything in that that is not true? I think this operation via is | :08:29. | :08:35. | |
reaching hysterical heights. But is it not true? On day one, nothing | :08:36. | :08:42. | |
changes, we are still full members on June 24 and any sensible | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
government would begin a programme of serious discussion with our | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
neighbours as to what the final outcome might be. There would be | :08:51. | :08:57. | |
months of negotiation going through carefully what sort of arrangement | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
we would end up with. At that point I would suggest, if you trigger | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
article 50 which gives you a legally binding two-year period, but the | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
point is, if our neighbours are as awful as the government say, why are | :09:13. | :09:18. | |
we staying in anyway? Our neighbours do huge trade with a scum there are | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
5 million Europeans whose job depend on sales to the UK, a million | :09:23. | :09:28. | |
Germans alone. We send 2.6 million car engines are broad and most come | :09:29. | :09:31. | |
back in the finished products. They would want to do a deal. Angela | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
Merkel will not want to infuriate German workers whose jobs depend on | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
it. Everything continues, the current rules continue, we continue | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
as full members and all existing treaties continue. If you take | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
Czechoslovakia with the velvet divorce, that went off smoothly and | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
there is no reason that should not happen. We will come onto the sort | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
of deal the UK could negotiate but it is true that if on June 24 Brit | :09:58. | :10:04. | |
in notifies and triggers Article 50, from that point nothing changes -- | :10:05. | :10:14. | |
Britain. The pre-existing treaties and obligations will not cease until | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
the new negotiation is underway. The best way to keep those conditions is | :10:19. | :10:25. | |
to stay in. There is a big inconsistency on the Eurosceptics | :10:26. | :10:28. | |
part. They say that if we stay in we will always be losers even though | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
your own longest serving Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher forged | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
ahead with the single market, one of the most successful things about the | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
EU, and Tony Blair created the conditions for enlargement and | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
pushed ahead successfully for that. Somehow the Eurosceptics are | :10:47. | :10:49. | |
pessimistic about our role in the EU, working together, when we are | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
often the winners. But if we were to come out, they think they could have | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
everything they want without having to abide by any of the rules or | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
conditions. Norway abides by all of the rules and they are a rule taker, | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
they abide by the roles of the single market, by the free movement | :11:10. | :11:12. | |
of people and they had to pay into the EU budget to get access to the | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
single market. Let's not pretend that this would be a cost free | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
option. Not to say that we could not negotiate a better deal if that was | :11:23. | :11:25. | |
the case. Let's look at the issue uncertainty. Already, as Emma | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
alluded to, the financial markets are jittery about Brexit and the | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
pound did slump against the dollar last week. It could also lead to | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
businesses, some of whom have stated they would hold onto investment | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
decisions and wait until that two-year period was over before | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
deciding where to perhaps build their next factory or invest in | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
another company. That would lead to uncertainty. It would be helpful if | :11:55. | :12:02. | |
the government did not stir up the uncertainty. The fact is, everybody | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
should reassure all of the world markets that, during the negotiation | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
period, first of all informal and then formal under Article 50, | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
everything carries on as normal. But nobody will know what will happen | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
after two years and nobody will know what the deal is and you can see why | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
businesses would hold onto their money. Yes, but it is clear to us on | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
our side that we have been told world open to us. We already do. No | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
we don't. On the World Trade Organisation we have won 28th of a | :12:37. | :12:43. | |
seat represented by eight sweeties -- a Swedish psychiatric nurse. | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
If you take trade, tiny countries like Iceland and New Zealand had | :12:50. | :12:57. | |
direct trade deals with China, we would open up the whole world. The | :12:58. | :13:00. | |
opportunities are enormous. And where Emma must not let slip is that | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
the EU is effectively leaving us, they will form this new entity | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
around the Eurozone. The idea that it is a cosy club is not true, we | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
will be left on the outside of this with some ill-defined associate | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
status. That's rubbish. There are nine member states who don't have | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
the euro, we are not the only country, we are one of nine. And we | :13:26. | :13:31. | |
are an integral part of the single market. Again, pessimism from the | :13:32. | :13:34. | |
Eurosceptics about what we can do while remaining in the EU and | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
working with our partners. Why do EU leaders have an interest in making | :13:41. | :13:43. | |
life more difficult for the UK? Surely they would get on with that | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
negotiating period and set up new trade agreements and it could be | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
liberating in the way that Iain Duncan Smith has described. I think | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
we are more prosperous and stronger by staying. You don't know that. How | :13:58. | :14:04. | |
do you know? We are negotiating more ambitious trade deals with big | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
economies around the world. The US government has suggested they are | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
not that interested in a bilateral trade deal with us because they are | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
more interested in doing a trade deal with the biggest single market | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
in the world, the EU. We have more clout and power in the world by | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
being a member of the EU than if we were on the outside. Isn't it true | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
that both sides are scaremongering? Both camps are setting out to people | :14:32. | :14:37. | |
their doom and do not -- disaster scenarios if we stay or leave. This | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
idea of negative campaigning only on one side is not the case. They will | :14:42. | :14:48. | |
form this entity around the Eurozone, we will be excluded and | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
what Mervyn King said was that we are wise to be well away from the | :14:54. | :14:59. | |
Eurozone. It is not clear what status we would have. If we let them | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
get on with the political and judicial arrangements, get out the | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
back and have a totally new arrangement based on trade and | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
cooperation, the world is open to us. We would read galvanised free | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
trade with the Anglo sphere. There are large number of people in | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
America who would like to deal with us on sectors like automobiles and | :15:21. | :15:22. | |
drugs and issues like that. It is still the case we trade more | :15:23. | :15:32. | |
with the rest of the EU than any other country in the world. This is | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
a false choice that the Eurosceptics like to bandy about, that somehow we | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
have to choose between trading with the rest of the EU or the rest of | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
the world and that is rubbish. We have the best of both worlds at the | :15:46. | :15:51. | |
moment. We trade closely with our European partners, 47% of our trade | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
goes with them and the rest is with the rest of the world. We do very | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
well thank you very much. So you are happy with all the controls? Yes, I | :16:01. | :16:06. | |
thought the Prime Minister did a decent job in his renegotiation | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
because he clarified some of the issues around the Eurozone, the | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
relationship with the non-Eurozone and I stress again we are not the | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
only country in the EU not having the euro. He clarified those | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
arrangements and some things to do with immigration as well. They will | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
be pleased to have your support I am sure! Do you think Eurosceptic | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
ministers should have access to civil service papers? I think there | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
is a huge problem with the government taking a position which I | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
agree with which is that we should remain as part of a reformed EU but | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
at the same time suspending collective responsibility. There is | :16:47. | :16:49. | |
also a huge problem with David Cameron rolling over again and again | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
and again just to please the Eurosceptics which is why we are | :16:54. | :16:56. | |
here right now. In some ways you have got your way by having | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
collective responsibility abandoned but now you want access to the | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
papers which are supposedly only the ones which actually refer to the EU | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
referendum directly, you cannot have your cake and eat it? IC ten years | :17:10. | :17:17. | |
of opportunity, the EU is lousy at negotiating trade deals, they asked | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
all budding around with America, China and India are in the pipeline. | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
Why is it countries like Iceland and New Zealand can do direct deals with | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
China? I see this as an opportunity to open up a whole world, we have | :17:31. | :17:36. | |
relations in south-east Asia, we would actually read galvanise world | :17:37. | :17:40. | |
free trade. Part of the reason people are drowning in the | :17:41. | :17:42. | |
Mediterranean is because of the breakdown in free trade because... | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
Blocks like the EU are rotten at organising these deals. On the | :17:49. | :17:56. | |
papers? It is nonsense and eight breach of the Venice commission | :17:57. | :17:59. | |
which is endorsed by well-known democracies like Russia where the | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
government is supposed to be neutral in constitutional referendums. It is | :18:04. | :18:11. | |
quite wrong that a senior civil servant should be telling ministers | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
who take a different line on the European issue that they don't have | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
access to papers. Someone must have the same access to all the papers in | :18:22. | :18:31. | |
my old department. The majority of Defra's activity has been handed to | :18:32. | :18:39. | |
the European institutions, agriculture, food, drink, | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
environment. It is vital George has access to up-to-date data and the | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
latest developments. What will you do if that continues and he can't | :18:48. | :18:54. | |
get access? I will raise it with the Prime Minister in questions on | :18:55. | :18:57. | |
Wednesday and there are other members of Parliament who are | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
exercised by this. My worry is that if it is seen that the government is | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
trying to cheat people will not regard the referendum as legitimate | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
and that is a danger. It must be seen to be fought their lead from | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
the beginning. We see this again and again, the Eurosceptics moan and | :19:15. | :19:20. | |
bang on about process because, this is an insurance claim for them, if | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
they lose the referendum they will claim it is not fair so they can | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
have another one and if they lose that one they will claim it is not | :19:29. | :19:34. | |
fair so they can have another. It's such a predictable pattern. It is | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
all about process, why don't we talk about the big arguments which is | :19:39. | :19:40. | |
what people are really worried about. If the result is that Britain | :19:41. | :19:49. | |
stays with due accent did? We won the argument on Perda. The | :19:50. | :20:03. | |
government backed off and I think they were right to do and they | :20:04. | :20:06. | |
listened and I hope they will listen to this issue on giving their access | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
to ministers. It is vital the public see this to be fair. We will have to | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
stop it there, you are on the hob programme. -- the whole programme. | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
Well, a little earlier, Scotland's First Minister, | :20:21. | :20:22. | |
Nicola Sturgeon, has been laying out the SNP's arguments for remaining | :20:23. | :20:24. | |
In a speech in central London, she pledged to lead a "progressive | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
I hope that the debate that we engage in over the next few | :20:29. | :20:37. | |
months is a thoroughly positive debate. | :20:38. | :20:38. | |
Because one of the undoubted lessons of the Scottish experience | :20:39. | :20:40. | |
is that a miserable, negative, fear-based campaign saw | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
the No campaign in the Scottish referendum lose, over | :20:46. | :20:47. | |
the course of the campaign, a 20-point lead. | :20:48. | :20:54. | |
And I don't have to point out to anybody here that the In campaign | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
in this referendum doesn't have a 20-point lead to squander. | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
And we're joined now by the SNP MP, Stephen Gethins, and by Ukip's only | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
MEP in Scotland, David Coburn, who's in our Edinburgh studio. | :21:07. | :21:12. | |
Welcome to both of you, first of all it is clear that you and the | :21:13. | :21:19. | |
government take a different approach certainly rhetorically in making the | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
case for the UK to remain in the EU. Do you think it is project fear or | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
Project reality that the government is indulging in? We have been | :21:30. | :21:33. | |
concerned by some of the messaging, in Scotland the project here element | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
did not work, the point the First Minister was making was that the no | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
campaign squandered the 20 point lead. They won by a lot less and we | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
saw what happened after so it is important to have a positive | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
campaign and it has to be said that that goes for all of us. You turn | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
people off if you try to scaremonger your way to victory. What are you | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
saying that is so positive that doesn't indulge in this negative | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
campaign? I think it's a fantastic opportunity to talk about the | :22:08. | :22:10. | |
benefits, we don't often hear the benefits of the EU and you get | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
government is trying to pretend Brussels has made them do things | :22:16. | :22:18. | |
when they signed up to them a long time ago. This government have not | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
voted against the proposal since they came in. Let's talk about | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
workers rights, paternity rights, the action we are taking on the | :22:28. | :22:31. | |
environment and the economic benefit as well. David Coburn, you have a | :22:32. | :22:37. | |
difficult job on your hands I suggest because 60% of voters | :22:38. | :22:41. | |
broadly speaking want to stay in the EU and you don't have a lot of | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
political allies on this subject in Scotland? That is nonsense! The | :22:47. | :22:52. | |
Guardian came out and said 60% of Scots were Eurosceptic. 60% of Scots | :22:53. | :23:00. | |
were Eurosceptic and wanted to pull out of the EU? That is what the | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
Guardian said so it must be true. Ukip and Scotland, we are expected | :23:07. | :23:14. | |
to get seven MSP 's according to a daily record poll so that is not too | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
bad, I think the Scots are a lot more Eurosceptic than everyone tries | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
to make out. The Scottish National party are not a Scottish National | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
party they are European party. If they want more power in the Scottish | :23:28. | :23:30. | |
parliament nothing will give Scotland more power than exiting the | :23:31. | :23:38. | |
European Union. All the fishing, agriculture, industry will all come | :23:39. | :23:41. | |
back to the Scottish Parliament and we will be able to get the 200 mile | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
fishing limit back which the SNP don't seem to want which is very odd | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
for a National party of Scotland. That is a positive case, you could | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
have more access to potential markets if you came out of the EU? | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
To pick up on the opinion polls, they have consistently shown that | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
Scots are in favour of staying in the EU. I'm not saying we don't have | :24:07. | :24:13. | |
a job to do but they have consistently shown that. On the | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
issue of more powers we have questioned the government about | :24:18. | :24:19. | |
which new powers Scotland would see and they have not told us any. They | :24:20. | :24:27. | |
come back to London. Finally, on fishing, and this is another example | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
where the member state hide behind the European Union, on fishing it | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
was the Conservative government in the 70s which described Scotland's | :24:37. | :24:39. | |
fishing industry as expendable, not the European Union. Which laws would | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
come back specifically to the Scottish Government? Again it | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
depends who has won, we want fishing brought back to Scotland, the 200 | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
mile limit. It is a great business for Scotland and at the moment the | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
Spanish are looting our seas and making a fortune. We can do that | :25:00. | :25:02. | |
ourselves here in Scotland and that is much better for the Scottish | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
economy. I don't understand how the Scottish Nationalists can't | :25:09. | :25:11. | |
understand that. Is this the argument you will use to try to | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
convince the Scots? Absolutely but they have picked it up for | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
themselves, they are not daft. We would not have the trouble we are | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
having with the steel industry if it wasn't for expensive rules by the | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
European Union about closing places, we have expensive... Chinese | :25:29. | :25:36. | |
imports? That is also down to the EU cause in terms of tariffs, they have | :25:37. | :25:43. | |
let them dump steel in Scotland. Why don't we have our own trade treaty | :25:44. | :25:49. | |
with the United States? Instead of dividing by 27 different people it | :25:50. | :25:52. | |
would just be four nations, what is wrong with that? Two of SNP MEPs | :25:53. | :26:09. | |
were not present when we were voting on the T-tip. We get a lot of | :26:10. | :26:17. | |
e-mails on that, that American companies will be able to get | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
contracts and get rid of workers rights and conditions, would not | :26:23. | :26:24. | |
expect the SNP to sign up to something like that? No, and the | :26:25. | :26:31. | |
First Minister this morning expressed her significant concerns | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
about T-tip. The very question that you would trust the London | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
government on workers rights over Brussels is an anomaly. It was | :26:41. | :26:43. | |
Brussels who made progress on things like maternity and paternity rights | :26:44. | :26:49. | |
and various other workers rights. The trade unionist act will show you | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
what a London government would do. The idea that working cooperatively | :26:54. | :26:59. | |
with Brussels is worse than leaving London in charge is a myth. If this | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
is such a big issue as you and your colleagues have said why don't you | :27:05. | :27:07. | |
share a platform of David Cameron and the Conservatives? This is | :27:08. | :27:16. | |
beyond party politics. Because we want to win the referendum in | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
Scotland. The Tories had their worst resort in Scotland since 1865, David | :27:21. | :27:23. | |
Cameron is hugely unpopular. My resort in Scotland since 1865, David | :27:24. | :27:27. | |
message to Mr Cameron would be if you want the Scottish devote to stay | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
in the best thing to do is stay away. | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
in the best thing to do is stay can expect the SNP to call another | :27:36. | :27:38. | |
Scottish independence referendum, immediately? This could have been | :27:39. | :27:41. | |
avoided. That is not what I asked. immediately? This could have been | :27:42. | :27:49. | |
time, this is something we try to avoid, | :27:50. | :27:50. | |
time, this is something we try to point this morning that this is not | :27:51. | :27:53. | |
the circumstances we wanted to point this morning that this is not | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
the UK votes to leave and Scotland votes to stay you would have | :27:59. | :28:01. | |
the UK votes to leave and Scotland be an equal | :28:02. | :28:03. | |
the UK votes to leave and Scotland those circumstances there will be | :28:04. | :28:09. | |
calls for a second independent sport. How soon do you think? There | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
will be calls and we will take it one referendum at a time but there | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
will have been a breakdown in the relationship. Is pushing the | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
Scotland out of the UK an acceptable price to leave the EU? It's not | :28:25. | :28:31. | |
going to happen. Just because people may or may not like the European | :28:32. | :28:34. | |
Union does not mean they will want to leave the UK. The two things are | :28:35. | :28:41. | |
completely unrelated. I tell you something, there is no difference in | :28:42. | :28:44. | |
Scotland and England, I knocked on as many doors north and south of the | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
border and the person in Glasgow has the same view as the person and | :28:49. | :28:57. | |
Birmingham. There is no difference. Far be it from me to bring facts | :28:58. | :29:00. | |
Birmingham. There is no difference. into it... We like facts! Every | :29:01. | :29:07. | |
repeatable poll has shown that Scots are consistently more in | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
repeatable poll has shown that Scots meaning in the EU than elsewhere. | :29:13. | :29:18. | |
There has been a variation. There has, but significantly higher than | :29:19. | :29:23. | |
the 50-50 we see in the rest of the UK. That is not to say we are taking | :29:24. | :29:30. | |
it for granted. Before I let you go I need to ask about the Ukip plan or | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
proposal are blaming the EU for restricting the power of toasters, | :29:36. | :29:41. | |
is that still the case? Apparently I managed to stop some legislation | :29:42. | :29:48. | |
until after the Brexit. They are holding back the legislation until | :29:49. | :29:54. | |
after the referendum in order to not terrified British voters. So I am | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
one of the few MEPs who have achieved something, I stopped | :30:00. | :30:06. | |
something! Except, is it true? It is and humour is a dangerous thing and | :30:07. | :30:09. | |
I'm afraid the European Union suffer from a lack of it. On that note of | :30:10. | :30:16. | |
positive, upbeat campaign, thank you both. | :30:17. | :30:18. | |
So, in a week expected to be dominated by events surrounding | :30:19. | :30:23. | |
Later today, the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, is expected | :30:24. | :30:25. | |
to address the Parliamentary Labour Party for the first time this year. | :30:26. | :30:28. | |
On Tuesday, the Government is due to publish the latest incarnation | :30:29. | :30:31. | |
of the Investigatory Powers Bill, the so-called 'Snoopers Charter'. | :30:32. | :30:33. | |
On Wednesday, David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn face each other | :30:34. | :30:35. | |
across the Despatch Box for their weekly dose of PMQs. | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
On Thursday, the British Chambers of Commerce holds its annual | :30:41. | :30:42. | |
Key speakers include the Labour leader and the German Finance | :30:43. | :30:49. | |
And on Friday, the Scottish Tories' Spring Conference kicks off | :30:50. | :30:55. | |
Leader Ruth Davidson will speak, possibly joined by David Cameron. | :30:56. | :31:03. | |
Let's talk now to Caroline Wheeler from the Sunday Express | :31:04. | :31:05. | |
Welcome to both of you. The first time Jeremy Corbyn addresses the | :31:06. | :31:19. | |
Parliamentary Labour Party and we are in March almost. White has it | :31:20. | :31:25. | |
taken him so long and what can he expect? He was meant to turn up last | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
week but pulled out at the last moment because of the bait on Europe | :31:30. | :31:36. | |
and the statement the Prime Minister brought back from Brussels -- the | :31:37. | :31:48. | |
debate. The belief among Labour MPs, and with some justification, is that | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
it is a pretty awful gathering for Jeremy Corbyn whenever he goes. | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
There are a large number of Labour MPs who like to make their is like | :31:58. | :32:03. | |
him known at these gatherings. The contents leaks almost instantly and | :32:04. | :32:09. | |
I think it is fair to say that he likes almost anything else other | :32:10. | :32:12. | |
than the Parliamentary Labour Party meetings on a Monday night. It is | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
not surprising he doesn't turn up. I don't blame him. Caroline, the issue | :32:18. | :32:25. | |
of access to papers during this EU referendum. We are expecting a | :32:26. | :32:32. | |
question asked as to why Jeremy Hayward banned ministers having | :32:33. | :32:35. | |
access to these papers. How will this play out? It will be tricky, | :32:36. | :32:41. | |
number ten will say they have done nothing wrong and this is standard | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
policy and the civil servants can only do things that support their | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
position and that is to stay in Europe. But there has been a lot of | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
criticism saying it is going beyond the remit of the realm and that | :32:56. | :33:01. | |
Jeremy Hayward has encouraged them to spy on ministers to say whether | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
they will come out for Brexit or not and to restrict certain papers that | :33:07. | :33:09. | |
even people like Iain Duncan Smith can have access to. There has been a | :33:10. | :33:15. | |
big ding-dong about this and it will go off at the committee hearing this | :33:16. | :33:19. | |
afternoon when he will give evidence to the committee led by Bernard | :33:20. | :33:25. | |
Jenkin is who is an ardent Eurosceptic, to try to somehow | :33:26. | :33:31. | |
justify this position. How difficult will it be to keep both sides of the | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
Tory party together? What is most striking in their debate is you now | :33:36. | :33:42. | |
have somewhere in the region of 140 Tory MPs defying David Cameron and | :33:43. | :33:45. | |
coming out for Brexit. Those numbers are much higher than anticipated by | :33:46. | :33:51. | |
Downing Street in October or never that when it seemed to be closer to | :33:52. | :33:57. | |
70 or 100. We are not quite at civil war time yet. The Tory party feels | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
like a number of long-standing friends at the top of the party have | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
had a big row and quite how that trickles down to the rest of the | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
party remains to be seen. David Cameron is more interested in | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
winning the referendum than holding the party together and perhaps that | :34:17. | :34:21. | |
calculus has changed in the last month. There is less talk of that | :34:22. | :34:28. | |
and more of just needing to win and convincingly, whatever that means | :34:29. | :34:31. | |
for the futures of Michael Gove, Chris Grayling and others. Let's | :34:32. | :34:36. | |
talk about the different policy issue, that of surveillance powers | :34:37. | :34:43. | |
and the investigatory Powers Bill. Has it been changed dramatically by | :34:44. | :34:46. | |
Theresa May before being presented to the House of Commons? If you read | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
some of the coverage of this, the suggestion is that it hasn't been | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
changed that dramatically after the intervention of three separate | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
committees which raised serious questions. This will be another | :35:00. | :35:05. | |
question between those who are on the side of civil liberties and | :35:06. | :35:08. | |
those who say we should do everything in our powers to protect | :35:09. | :35:15. | |
Britain and give them as much power as possible to protect them from any | :35:16. | :35:19. | |
cyber or terrorist attack. Europe seems to come into other thing we do | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
and there is some suggestion that this bill is being brought back at a | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
time when most of the party is distracted with other things so | :35:29. | :35:31. | |
there is a big question about the response when it is published, we | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
believe tomorrow. Will there be more support for it? It is a numbers | :35:37. | :35:41. | |
game. The problem with the bill before is that it wasn't clear they | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
would get it through Parliament. It seems that some of the Northern | :35:47. | :35:49. | |
Ireland parties are likely to vote in favour. Labour are not completely | :35:50. | :35:55. | |
against it, Andy Burnham has been flip-flopping more times on this | :35:56. | :35:59. | |
than in the leadership election! But not every Labour MP will vote to | :36:00. | :36:04. | |
oppose it so with that backdrop it feels hard to call it as a definite | :36:05. | :36:10. | |
loss for Theresa May. The basics are the same. It feels like they could | :36:11. | :36:13. | |
have a good shot at it. Thank you very much. | :36:14. | :36:16. | |
Want to know how our guests today Owen and Emma know so much | :36:17. | :36:19. | |
and are able to answer any question with absolute authority? | :36:20. | :36:22. | |
It's because they are MPs and spend lots of time in the House of Commons | :36:23. | :36:25. | |
Not only does the library have books but it has some very swotty research | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
staff who pull together briefings on every subject from local | :36:31. | :36:32. | |
government funding in the North East to household recycling in the UK. | :36:33. | :36:35. | |
Our Ellie went down to see them at work, including one librarian | :36:36. | :36:38. | |
who's retiring today, after 44 years. | :36:39. | :36:42. | |
Until 1966 it was the Speaker's private library. | :36:43. | :37:16. | |
John Prince fell in love with this library when he started working | :37:17. | :37:19. | |
Apart from a handful of librarians and Parliamentary staff, | :37:20. | :37:25. | |
and me for the morning, only 650 people are really | :37:26. | :37:27. | |
The library stocks any topic that might be of value or use to an MP | :37:28. | :37:38. | |
There are around 40,000 books in here and it has got some other | :37:39. | :37:45. | |
cool stuff too, like this really old phone. | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
So, John, it's not all about the books then in here? | :37:50. | :37:52. | |
No, we have one or two other items, including this Parson's-Sloper | :37:53. | :37:55. | |
interphone which dates from the 1920s when this room | :37:56. | :37:57. | |
was the Speaker's private library and he could use this to communicate | :37:58. | :38:00. | |
with other parts of his official residence here. | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
There are also pamphlets dating back to 1559 and even some | :38:05. | :38:07. | |
They are the oldest things we've got, they are very lucky | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
We know we have had them as a distinct collection | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
But this is a working library with working technology. | :38:17. | :38:22. | |
There are a lot of fantastic books here but really very | :38:23. | :38:25. | |
Much more it is about the information that we do publish | :38:26. | :38:30. | |
online, but the public really need to know that MPs | :38:31. | :38:33. | |
And, of course, it's difficult for them to be experts in everything | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
so the big thing we do is brief MPs on the bills | :38:39. | :38:41. | |
Parliament, on big issues, topical issues of relevance. | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
Albert Einstein once said, the only thing you absolutely have | :38:47. | :38:49. | |
to know is the location of the library. | :38:50. | :38:51. | |
And joining us now is the Conservative MP | :38:52. | :38:58. | |
Michael Fabricant, who sits on the House | :38:59. | :39:00. | |
of Commons Administration Committee, the body responsible for overseeing | :39:01. | :39:02. | |
And a lovely library it is. It is beautiful and we are not allowed to | :39:03. | :39:15. | |
take people in normally. 40,000 books. What is the fiction section | :39:16. | :39:22. | |
like? Not good! You might have to go to Boots! Don't petitions want to | :39:23. | :39:28. | |
read something other than factual stuff? They might want a Jackie | :39:29. | :39:33. | |
Collins or something. You might be able to request that. There is an | :39:34. | :39:38. | |
extensive magazine section and it is a good place to go to do research | :39:39. | :39:42. | |
and very good if you want to just chill out. Do MPs go? They go for | :39:43. | :39:49. | |
all different purposes some to use the computers you have seen, others | :39:50. | :39:55. | |
to do research, others to have research provided for them and also, | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
for example, my office is some distance from the Palace of | :40:00. | :40:04. | |
Westminster, it is in what used to be the old Scotland Yard will bring, | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
and I can go on the computers there. Do you go? Less since I moved | :40:09. | :40:15. | |
offices. I used to use it a per Mendis amount and the staff are | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
William -- a tremendous amount. The staff are brilliant. Mainly I ask | :40:22. | :40:28. | |
them to do research work, they are incredibly quick and thorough. You | :40:29. | :40:33. | |
can ask for a policy document on anything? Absolutely. And it has | :40:34. | :40:36. | |
real clout and you can anything? Absolutely. And it has | :40:37. | :40:40. | |
make a speech and you are listened anything? Absolutely. And it has | :40:41. | :40:41. | |
to if you refer to that library. And anything? Absolutely. And it has | :40:42. | :40:47. | |
everybody does listen to it when you use it. Do you go? Yes it is a vital | :40:48. | :40:54. | |
resource for backbenchers and opposition MPs. I used it in housing | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
because you can ask them to look into all sorts of things. I often go | :40:59. | :41:05. | |
newspapers when there is a gap between a meeting. I will go and | :41:06. | :41:12. | |
newspapers when there is a gap look at a | :41:13. | :41:13. | |
newspapers when there is a gap haven't had a chance to read, that | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
is useful as well. I must confess, I only go if I'd been in it! How | :41:19. | :41:26. | |
narcissistic! You haven't got a book at home that is mounting up huge | :41:27. | :41:32. | |
fines? Absolutely not! I behave very correctly. Do you take books out? I | :41:33. | :41:40. | |
have but I tend to over recess. It is quite difficult to find the time | :41:41. | :41:44. | |
to read a good blog while we are in session. When I take them out it | :41:45. | :41:50. | |
tends to be over the recess periods. Is it worth keeping them? If MPs are | :41:51. | :41:56. | |
using it as a research facility, wouldn't it be better to auction off | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
some of those and help George Osborne pay the deficit? Some of | :42:01. | :42:04. | |
them are held by the British likely and elsewhere because they are | :42:05. | :42:08. | |
incredibly historical. -- British library. There are a lot of | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
biographies, there is a colleague who is almost | :42:14. | :42:16. | |
biographies, there is a colleague around with books under | :42:17. | :42:16. | |
biographies, there is a colleague is always borrowing from the | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
library. But I wanted to say, like Owen, I am very sceptical | :42:23. | :42:28. | |
library. But I wanted to say, like economic grounds and I will give | :42:29. | :42:30. | |
library. But I wanted to say, like an example of how the library was | :42:31. | :42:32. | |
incredibly useful. We were saying that if we left the EU we would have | :42:33. | :42:40. | |
a camp like the Jungle in the middle of Kent. I contacted the library | :42:41. | :42:44. | |
because it is governed by this treaty, they sent me the treaty and | :42:45. | :42:50. | |
because it is governed by this a summary saying it is all a load of | :42:51. | :42:53. | |
balderdash and has nothing to do with the EU whatsoever! I knew we | :42:54. | :42:59. | |
would get back to the EU! Because it came from the House of Commons | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
library, people not only leave it, they know it to be true and | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
ministers noted to be true. What about the atmosphere in the library | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
itself? The furniture and trappings, is it like old members club? A bit. | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
Some people might go there for a nap as well! Have you done that? I can | :43:19. | :43:27. | |
categorically state... It is a bit like an old university library. The | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
further down you go, the quieter it debts. Are there many people in | :43:32. | :43:43. | |
that. -- it gets. You have different times and different often it is | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
people like myself who not only research done but who want to get to | :43:48. | :43:52. | |
a computer and catch up with e-mails. It is packed during the | :43:53. | :43:57. | |
day. On Thursday night I happened to be late at the House of Commons and | :43:58. | :44:02. | |
the house had risen and I had been entertaining people from my | :44:03. | :44:05. | |
constituency. It was about ten o'clock and there was somebody | :44:06. | :44:10. | |
snoozing, the young MP who had missed his train. He might still be | :44:11. | :44:16. | |
there! I don't know if he was planning to stay the night but he | :44:17. | :44:19. | |
was in a comfortable armchair and why not? I am pleased to hear it is | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
serving all sorts of uses. Thank you for coming in. | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
Britain's retailers predict that almost a million jobs in the sector | :44:29. | :44:31. | |
will disappear by 2025, that's about a third | :44:32. | :44:33. | |
Retailers employ one in six people in the UK, | :44:34. | :44:36. | |
and the sector accounts for about a tenth of the UK economy. | :44:37. | :44:39. | |
Let's talk now to Victoria Fritz from the BBC's business unit who's | :44:40. | :44:43. | |
What is happening? The big issue is all about smartphones and tablet | :44:44. | :44:56. | |
computers, consumers in the UK have got used to using them, they are | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
used to going online and trying to find a cheaper deal. So we are | :45:01. | :45:04. | |
seeing changing tastes. On the other side of the occasion, if you are a | :45:05. | :45:10. | |
start-up business for example it is cheaper and easier and faster to set | :45:11. | :45:15. | |
up your business online and you have reduced overheads, you are not | :45:16. | :45:18. | |
paying business rates or for staff in shops. We have seen supply change | :45:19. | :45:24. | |
as well. Talking to retailers it seems to ring true, we have heard | :45:25. | :45:28. | |
from the chairman of Debenhams who says he thinks we will see fewer | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
workers in the future and people like Tesco's are saying that given | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
the competition in the market at the moment there will be a real change | :45:38. | :45:40. | |
towards this and everyone is trying to push online. Is this not a | :45:41. | :45:46. | |
continuation of a gradual decline or is this a sudden cliff edge? The big | :45:47. | :45:53. | |
difference is that the official estimates put the numbers of jobs | :45:54. | :45:56. | |
lost much lower so this is quite striking today. I think what is | :45:57. | :46:03. | |
interesting is what will happen with the national living wage, this is | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
the new name for the minimum wage which is coming into effect next | :46:09. | :46:11. | |
month. It will be interesting to see what happens to the wage bill, will | :46:12. | :46:17. | |
we see retailers respond to that by cutting the number of people they | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
employ overall are whether or not we see a quick ship to automation and | :46:23. | :46:24. | |
online retail. Well, Helen Dickinson | :46:25. | :46:26. | |
from the British Retail Consortium Listening to the figures, what will | :46:27. | :46:39. | |
you do to protect employees? What is striking about this report is that | :46:40. | :46:42. | |
we are already seeing a fall in the number of people working in the | :46:43. | :46:46. | |
industry over the last couple of years and what we will see is | :46:47. | :46:50. | |
perhaps that accelerate as we go forward as the equation between | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
technology and labour cost has shifted on the back of the living | :46:56. | :47:00. | |
wage. So the aspiration absolutely is that although there will be fewer | :47:01. | :47:04. | |
jobs there are better jobs in the industry. Much more focus on | :47:05. | :47:09. | |
customer service and a different profile in terms of the digital and | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
physical and how it works together. Did you see this government policy | :47:15. | :47:18. | |
of the national living wage increasing by the amount it is | :47:19. | :47:24. | |
having these sorts of consequences? It will have a knock-on impact on | :47:25. | :47:28. | |
retail and hospitality, on the care industry for instance. But I agree, | :47:29. | :47:34. | |
what you will see is jobs will move, I was in Shropshire on Friday and | :47:35. | :47:41. | |
they are looking for more jobs and activity in the post office, it is a | :47:42. | :47:49. | |
key resource. People go there for money or physical deliveries, so you | :47:50. | :47:52. | |
will see a growth in different areas. There will be different jobs. | :47:53. | :48:00. | |
Before I came in I saw a Twitter message saying Anderson will start | :48:01. | :48:06. | |
delivering meat, fruit and vegetables -- Amazon. Hasn't the | :48:07. | :48:14. | |
industry adapted already, you must have known about this, you had a | :48:15. | :48:19. | |
report in 2014 saying 60% of jobs were at risk from high automation | :48:20. | :48:22. | |
and exacerbated by the national living wage. The industry has to | :48:23. | :48:31. | |
keep up with the times. Absolutely, we have adaptable retailers who will | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
respond. What we wanted to highlight in the report was questions about | :48:37. | :48:39. | |
how this will impact in different parts of the country and different | :48:40. | :48:44. | |
parts of the workforce. That is perhaps where there is more risk, | :48:45. | :48:48. | |
although on the one hand the industry as a whole will become more | :48:49. | :48:53. | |
efficient and more productive with better service for shoppers which is | :48:54. | :48:58. | |
a good thing, but we will potentially see the impact of that | :48:59. | :49:03. | |
will fall most heavily on perhaps more economically deprived areas and | :49:04. | :49:08. | |
more vulnerable people. That makes sense in some ways rightly or | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
wrongly, should there be a variation in terms of the national living wage | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
across the country? I don't think there should be regional variation | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
but there is a difference, there is a different minimum wage in London | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
compare to the rest of the country. One thing we have not touched on is | :49:28. | :49:34. | |
Amazon, if they try to compete with retailers which it is with some good | :49:35. | :49:37. | |
but not so much with others we have to make sure it is a level playing | :49:38. | :49:41. | |
field because you need to make sure that they and others are paying | :49:42. | :49:47. | |
proper and fair taxation. If you are retail stores around the country you | :49:48. | :49:50. | |
are not finding ways to get round taxis in the same way we have seen | :49:51. | :49:55. | |
some of these companies. Do you agree? I think it is an absolutely | :49:56. | :50:01. | |
fair comment. Looking ahead, you think that retailers don't pay their | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
employees enough? Part of the problem is a large number of retail | :50:07. | :50:10. | |
employees but they are not paid very well, even taking the minimum wage | :50:11. | :50:14. | |
into account, our retailers to blame for some of that? It is up to | :50:15. | :50:21. | |
retailers how much they pay them, I am glad the minimum wage is going up | :50:22. | :50:24. | |
because that is something we called for before the last election but it | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
is vital. They will get better customer service, if people are | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
valued and paid well they get better service. I think security is another | :50:33. | :50:37. | |
thing, we need to make sure zero our contracts are not being used where | :50:38. | :50:42. | |
they should not be used. The extent of the zero hours contract was | :50:43. | :50:48. | |
debated heavily during the election and did not seem to be as large as | :50:49. | :50:53. | |
Labour was implying. There is still a large amount in some parts of the | :50:54. | :51:03. | |
retail industry. Is it not just a case that the retail industry has | :51:04. | :51:08. | |
took a peeper properly? -- has to pay people properly? I think there | :51:09. | :51:14. | |
is more the industry needs to do in terms of low pay and what we are | :51:15. | :51:19. | |
showing with this report is that the changes we are seeing with the | :51:20. | :51:23. | |
implementation of the living wage and the change around the structural | :51:24. | :51:26. | |
change in the industry to do with the way that people shop well | :51:27. | :51:34. | |
accelerate pace of substitution, change in the way business is done. | :51:35. | :51:38. | |
We will see more investment in technology and less in people than | :51:39. | :51:44. | |
perhaps we have seen in the past. The question about how an even that | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
will be between different types of businesses, different parts of the | :51:50. | :51:52. | |
country and people within the workforce is the key thing. Thank | :51:53. | :51:54. | |
you. Now, we all know politicians | :51:55. | :51:56. | |
like a good lunch, some even Blend the two together | :51:57. | :51:59. | |
and what have you got? Here's our Adam with his guide | :52:00. | :52:05. | |
to some of the greatest political Last week Michael Gove and his wife | :52:06. | :52:07. | |
were here in Islington, Chez Boris, along with the Russian | :52:08. | :52:11. | |
businessman Evgeny Lebedev who owns Although not Liz Hurley, | :52:12. | :52:14. | |
who was invited to the meal Over a leg of lamb they | :52:15. | :52:19. | |
plotted about the EU. Europe was on the menu | :52:20. | :52:25. | |
here at the Dorchester Hotel during the 1975 referendum | :52:26. | :52:27. | |
because Labour and Tory inners would meet here for | :52:28. | :52:31. | |
secret breakfasts. It was a serve-yourself buffet, | :52:32. | :52:34. | |
so would be no waiters, A few years ago at this | :52:35. | :52:37. | |
restaurant in Covent Garden the then Sunday Times | :52:38. | :52:42. | |
journalist Isabel Oakshott lunched the economist Vicky Pryce, | :52:43. | :52:45. | |
who confessed her husband had He was Chris Huhne, | :52:46. | :52:52. | |
the Energy Secretary And rather cruelly, | :52:53. | :52:54. | |
the restaurant is called Round the corner here on the Strand, | :52:55. | :52:57. | |
this office block used to be a pub called the Duck | :52:58. | :53:05. | |
and Drake, where in 1604 Guy Fawkes met his co-conspirators | :53:06. | :53:09. | |
before they tried to At the turn of this | :53:10. | :53:10. | |
century at this tapas restaurant in Pimlico called Goya, | :53:11. | :53:18. | |
Francis Maude and Michael Portillo were spotted plotting | :53:19. | :53:20. | |
against William Hague. Except they weren't; | :53:21. | :53:23. | |
Francis Maude was just South of the river in | :53:24. | :53:26. | |
Kennington you will find Ghandi's, a favourite haunt | :53:27. | :53:33. | |
of all sort of politicians including the new Labour ministers, | :53:34. | :53:35. | |
plotted their coup against Gordon And talking about Labour | :53:36. | :53:41. | |
and talking about curries, But the most famous Labour meal deal | :53:42. | :53:53. | |
was done back here in Islington at a restaurant called | :53:54. | :53:56. | |
Granita where Blair and Brown sealed their pact | :53:57. | :53:59. | |
for the leadership. It shut down and became a Mexican | :54:00. | :54:02. | |
restaurant called Desperados, And it is now closed | :54:03. | :54:05. | |
down altogether. We are all starving after that! | :54:06. | :54:09. | |
because I'm starving! Joining us now is the Daily | :54:10. | :54:19. | |
Mirror's Kevin Maguire. to decide their stance on the EU | :54:20. | :54:30. | |
referendum, over a slow roasted shoulder of lamb as reported, sounds | :54:31. | :54:36. | |
tasty, do you cut your deals over meals? I think it is useful | :54:37. | :54:38. | |
particularly when the wine flows. You can see why the Independent is | :54:39. | :54:55. | |
closing down because the proprietor of a newspaper is more interested in | :54:56. | :55:00. | |
the food than the conversation as you have two cabinet ministers | :55:01. | :55:04. | |
arguing with a third and plotting coming out against Britain staying | :55:05. | :55:08. | |
in Europe. It is down to the wine rather than the food, tongues get | :55:09. | :55:12. | |
loosened and deals are cut, where would you go, where are the best | :55:13. | :55:16. | |
places to take politicians to hear the best gossip? Go to a noodle bar | :55:17. | :55:22. | |
that nobody knows, off the beaten track but I think the gay huzzah is | :55:23. | :55:28. | |
a fantastic venue. You get a lot of conservative politicians. Michael | :55:29. | :55:35. | |
foot had his own table, he would meet the Russian ambassador. It is | :55:36. | :55:40. | |
not very secret if you have a table. But when you are out in the open is | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
when you can plot the most because nobody thinks you are up to | :55:45. | :55:47. | |
anything. Appearance can be deceptive. Emma, you said you have | :55:48. | :55:53. | |
been to most of those places so you have done a lot of plotting? That is | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
not to say and it is not just in London we have these restaurants. | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
The curry house plot was a Indian restaurant in Wolverhampton. You did | :56:04. | :56:10. | |
not answer the question, you mean you don't do any plotting at all | :56:11. | :56:16. | |
Emma? No, I don't plot, I am a straightforward politician. But I do | :56:17. | :56:22. | |
have meals! LAUGHTER I think one of my old friends said | :56:23. | :56:28. | |
to me when you go into politics you will find you have very few real | :56:29. | :56:31. | |
friends and those are the people who happen to go for lunch order now | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
with. People eat together and discuss politics, we are | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
politicians, that is what we do. How often do you go to arrest wrong with | :56:41. | :56:46. | |
your political friends? Last year, a well-known journalist resigned on a | :56:47. | :56:51. | |
point of principle with his newspaper. He was due to take me to | :56:52. | :56:56. | |
a very smart restaurant which I was looking forward to, some very good | :56:57. | :57:00. | |
fresh. We ended up going to a small and modest bistro in Pimlico with | :57:01. | :57:07. | |
tiny tables and he kept talking in a loud voice and I suddenly realised | :57:08. | :57:10. | |
the whole restaurant was listening to every word, the bill came and I | :57:11. | :57:17. | |
paid. You related luck out. So are you not hatching plots over the EU | :57:18. | :57:22. | |
referendum strategy? They don't have too, it is all out in the open! That | :57:23. | :57:27. | |
is true, it is open and trans Mallon at the moment, is the less political | :57:28. | :57:31. | |
dealing going on in restaurants these days? It is as much as ever, | :57:32. | :57:37. | |
there is less wine at lunch time but it as transfers to the evening. | :57:38. | :57:44. | |
Often you do listen to what is said at other tables, I always assume | :57:45. | :57:49. | |
other people do so you go for a whisper. I recall Cecil Parkinson in | :57:50. | :57:54. | |
the late 80s, he was bad-mouthing Margaret Thatcher and there was a | :57:55. | :57:57. | |
journalist at the following table who took it all down and got a | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
wonderful story. Lunch is on you after the show! | :58:03. | :58:05. | |
There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz. | :58:06. | :58:08. | |
The question was who is advising Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party | :58:09. | :58:10. | |
Former Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis? | :58:11. | :58:14. | |
Or Chinese Finance Minister Lou Jiwei? | :58:15. | :58:16. | |
So Emma and Owen what's the correct answer? | :58:17. | :58:19. | |
It is Yanis Varoufakis. Are you pleased with that? I don't think I | :58:20. | :58:29. | |
should comment on that. Is it a good thing or a bad thing? I am not sure | :58:30. | :58:34. | |
he would be my first choice but it is up to John McDonnell and his | :58:35. | :58:40. | |
team. So you are not a fan? Anti-austerity? John did some good | :58:41. | :58:47. | |
research, seeing people did not vote Labour not because we were | :58:48. | :58:50. | |
anti-austerity but because we were not trusted with people's money... | :58:51. | :58:57. | |
Yanis Varoufakis will not be taking you out for lunch any time soon! I | :58:58. | :58:59. | |
like his jacket! | :59:00. | :59:02. |