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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
The authorities in Brussels say two brothers who were known to them | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
are amongst those responsible for the Brussels attacks. | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
A third unsuccessful airport bomber also linked to the Paris attacks | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
As Europe reels from the third serious attack in 15 months, | :00:50. | :01:00. | |
this time striking the de-facto capital of the European Union, | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
does passport-free travel inside the EU make us more | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
The Chancellor confirms that he's cancelled proposed changes | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
to Personal Independence Payments for disabled people, | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
but he's already broken his own spending limits on welfare, | :01:16. | :01:18. | |
so how will he make the promised savings? | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
And, with friends like this, who needs enemies? | :01:23. | :01:24. | |
When it comes to attacking the Government, why Conservative MPs | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
All that in the next hour, and with us for the whole | :01:28. | :01:37. | |
of the duration today, Housing Minister Brandon Lewis | :01:38. | :01:39. | |
So, Belgian authorities have identified two of the bombers | :01:40. | :01:46. | |
responsible for yesterday's attacks as Khalid and Brahim el-Bakraoui. | :01:47. | :01:54. | |
They were both known to the authorities. | :01:55. | :02:03. | |
They have both been jailed for serious crimes involving AK-47s. | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
And both are linked to the prime suspect in the Paris massacre, | :02:08. | :02:09. | |
Salah Abdeslam, who was detained in Brussels last week. | :02:10. | :02:16. | |
A third man pictured at the airport but whose bomb did not apparently | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
detonate has been named as Najim Laachraoui, | :02:23. | :02:33. | |
a 24-year-old who is reported to have travelled to Syria in 2013. | :02:34. | :02:40. | |
He's thought to be the Paris bomb maker, and has just been arrested | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
in the Anderlecht district of Brussels. | :02:44. | :02:50. | |
He is thought to have made the suicide belts as well. Reports are | :02:51. | :02:59. | |
that he was arrested in Anderlecht this morning. | :03:00. | :03:06. | |
Do we know for sure yet or not whether the man in the right hat has | :03:07. | :03:16. | |
been arrested and Mac white hat? We don't know for sure. We had reports | :03:17. | :03:22. | |
and our ago that he had been, that was widely reported in the Belgian | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
media, and now those reports are being withdrawn, so he may well not | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
have been arrested, which would be a blow for the Belgian authorities who | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
have already been hugely criticised for their failures of intelligence | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
both in the run-up to the Paris attacks in November and these | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
attacks in Brussels yesterday. This is a key suspect. As you said, his | :03:45. | :03:51. | |
DNA was found in one of the houses that was used by the Paris | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
attackers, he is very closely linked to the Paris attacks, and | :03:57. | :03:58. | |
significantly he travelled to Hungary last year before the Paris | :03:59. | :04:08. | |
attacks with Salah Abdeslam. He was arrested on Friday, the police in | :04:09. | :04:15. | |
France and Belgium had been looking for him, he escaped from Paris after | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
those attacks, the only one of the attackers who got away. He slipped | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
into Belgium, he was hunted for four months, he was caught last Friday, | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
and ever since he has been interrogated while he is awaiting | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
extradition. There is a theory that the accomplices close to Salah | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
Abdeslam put forward any other attacks they were planning because | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
they knew he was being interrogated and might well give them names and | :04:44. | :04:46. | |
addresses away, might expose them to the police, so because these attacks | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
in Brussels were only four days later, perhaps there is a link | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
between that arrest and what happened yesterday. It would seem | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
that the Belgian authorities need some kind of victory quite quickly | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
to restore their credibility. We learned that the man was at the | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
police shoot out in Brussels ten days ago, part of the Salah Abdeslam | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
manhunt, the man that they now have for the Paris bombing, he got away, | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
not only that it seems he found a new address, access to guns and | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
explosives, and in just over a week it was at the airport with two other | :05:28. | :05:35. | |
suicide bombers. Yes, critics of the Belgian authorities will say they | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
have been huge intelligence failures. They are not as on top of | :05:39. | :05:46. | |
what terror suspects there are in this city as, for example, British | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
intelligence agencies and counterterror police are in the UK. | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
It is difficult, they would say, because some areas of the city of | :05:57. | :06:03. | |
Brussels, with high Muslim populations, are difficult to | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
penetrate, they don't have much human intelligence on the ground. | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
They have not done well. The first raid where it seems he may have | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
escaped, although they raided the property, they were not expecting to | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
find terror suspects, but it seems extraordinary that a couple of them | :06:20. | :06:22. | |
could escape pretty much at the back while the police came to the front. | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
It seems a bit basic. There have been failures, and the Belgian | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
security forces have been described as the weak link in the European | :06:33. | :06:39. | |
fight against terror. On big brothers, with the famous gloves on | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
only one hand, which is hugely significant, we now learn, I have | :06:44. | :06:50. | |
not had this confirmed, but one of them was jailed for nine years in | :06:51. | :06:57. | |
2010 for firing at police with an AK-47 during a robbery, and the | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
other was jailed for five years in 2011 for carjackings and also | :07:04. | :07:12. | |
touting an AK-47. I don't know what the question is to you now, having | :07:13. | :07:19. | |
just read that out! One of the points is that a lot of the people | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
involved in the Paris attacks and these latest attacks appear to have | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
criminal records for a variety of crimes. Salah Abdeslam was one of | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
them. He maybe got further radicalised in prison. You are | :07:33. | :07:39. | |
right, one of the brothers, who was using a false name, had rented a | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
flat in an area of Brussels which was raided last week, he was | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
responsible, it seems, for the metro attack yesterday. The brothers | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
carrying out the operations, but he was the one who attacked the Metro | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
station, his brother was the one who attacked the airport, if you | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
remember the CCTV image, the three of them pushing the trolleys, he was | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
in the middle. Huge questions for the Belgian police, security | :08:10. | :08:16. | |
agencies, judiciary about how it deals with these people and the | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
wider question is, they knew there was a cell in Brussels that was | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
partly responsible for the Paris attacks, they were trying to track | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
them down, it now seems that the number of terror suspects in | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
Brussels and in Belgium was much larger than anything they had | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
anticipated before or anything they had expected. We have partly seen | :08:37. | :08:44. | |
the results of that yesterday. A sad day in Brussels, many questions | :08:45. | :08:51. | |
remain to be answered. We are just getting confirmation that the | :08:52. | :08:54. | |
Belgian media is now backtracking on staying that the suspect in the | :08:55. | :09:04. | |
white hat, also wanted with his DNA found in the Paris bombing, they are | :09:05. | :09:10. | |
backtracking on whether or not he has been arrested, it seemed that he | :09:11. | :09:12. | |
has not been. Joining us now from Brussels | :09:13. | :09:13. | |
is Ukip's defence spokesman Do you think it was right to start | :09:14. | :09:26. | |
making political capital out of what was happening before the Belgian | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
authorities had even had a chance to count the number of dead? I don't | :09:30. | :09:37. | |
believe I was making political capital. I have been talking about | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
open borders for the last year, nobody was listening. We live in a | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
media world, something happened and the media call you up straightaway | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
and want to know a comment, so this is the world we live in. I have been | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
talking about this for over a year, open borders. Do you want to take it | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
back, now you can give a more considered response? Everything I | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
have said yesterday, I have said over months, and I stand by it. Two | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
of the suspected suicide bombers, the brothers, were Brussels | :10:12. | :10:17. | |
residents, so what did Schengen have to do with that? These people that | :10:18. | :10:23. | |
were arrested last week and who carried out this attack yesterday | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
seemed to have had free range, moving about freely through Europe, | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
with open borders, they have been across to Syria on several occasions | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
to be trained, and anybody who thinks open borders is not a part of | :10:38. | :10:45. | |
this is naive and quite dangerous. If they had Belgian passports, they | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
would be able to move between European countries regardless of | :10:50. | :10:58. | |
Schengen. Correct? I worked in Calais last year, and this year, and | :10:59. | :11:06. | |
passports are quite easily gained, they can change their identity | :11:07. | :11:09. | |
within minutes. Whatever passport they were using, and they were | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
probably using false passports, they are easily gained. We know one of | :11:16. | :11:21. | |
the people who was arrested with Salah Abdeslam did come in on a fake | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
Syrian passport into the EU. But even if we were outside the EU, | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
would we not still face that problem? We would have to be alert | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
to the possibility of fake Syrian passports or fake European | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
passports, and we cannot always be sure that we will be, there are some | :11:39. | :11:45. | |
sophisticated fakes around. If we had our own sovereignty and borders, | :11:46. | :11:51. | |
we controlled our borders, we can check who is coming in and who is | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
going out. If they have got a Syrian passport... Interpol and other | :11:57. | :12:03. | |
agencies can gain intelligence. It one of the German defence ministers | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
have said nearly 50% of the member states don't pass intelligence. What | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
do you say to that, Rachel Reeves? We are not part of Schengen, so we | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
do control our borders. Not for people with European passports. We | :12:18. | :12:27. | |
are not part of Schengen. But with a European passport you can come to | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
this country. But your passport is checked, you cannot just cross the | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
board without any checks. But that would be true whether we were in or | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
out. The point is we do control our borders because we have passport | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
controls. People can come and work in this country, but you are still | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
checked at the border will stop that would be true if we were in or out | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
of the EU. If one of these people who has been trained by Islamic | :12:55. | :13:01. | |
State comes to Europe, then gets a European passport, it will be more | :13:02. | :13:03. | |
difficult to stop them coming in. How would we know? That would be the | :13:04. | :13:09. | |
case if they got a fake passport and came directly to the UK. This is an | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
argument for strengthening the border police, better control and | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
ports and airports, so we know who is coming in, we are checking | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
everything robustly. It is not an argument about our membership of the | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
EU. What do you say to that? I agree. One of the problems with the | :13:28. | :13:33. | |
argument that Ukip made, apart from the crassness of the timing... It | :13:34. | :13:41. | |
was disgraceful. But the reality is, if somebody has a fake passport, the | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
challenge of dealing with that is the same if you are in or out of the | :13:45. | :13:51. | |
EU. We have the ability to share information, it is a strength. What | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
intelligence are we sharing? Being part of Europe, even as of today and | :13:57. | :14:05. | |
yesterday, we are offering support... We do that anyway. That | :14:06. | :14:12. | |
intelligence sharing is done at a bilateral level. Brussels | :14:13. | :14:18. | |
intelligence shares with our intelligence services, we share with | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
French, that is not an EU process, that is a bilateral arrangement, and | :14:24. | :14:26. | |
surely that will continue in or out of the EU. It could do, but part of | :14:27. | :14:34. | |
our renegotiation, some of these countries might want to change the | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
agreement. Why would they stop sharing intelligence? We are far | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
closer sharing with the United States and Canada, and we were not a | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
member of the United States or Canada. | :14:48. | :14:57. | |
The point that is being me doesn't stack up. We have control of our own | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
borders because we are not part of Schengen. The ability for submitted | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
to come to this country because of being part of Europe is a false | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
statement. We haven't got control in the sense that if someone presents | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
an EU passport at our borders and we regard it as kosher, as a bona fides | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
passport, you can't stop them coming in. That's the same whether we are | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
in the European Union or not. You could stop them if we weren't in the | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
EU. If you're travelling abroad, if you've got a genuine passport, you | :15:29. | :15:31. | |
would be allowed to go into that country regardless of whether or not | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
it is part of the EU. The argument they are making simply doesn't stack | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
up. You've heard what our guests are saying. I'll give you a final word. | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
What is disgraceful as allowing terrorists free movement across | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
Europe. Terraces begin to our country, and I'm from the port of | :15:51. | :15:53. | |
call and we had 18 migrants that came in through Hull. We need to | :15:54. | :16:01. | |
check our borders. There are seven member states now who've reinstated | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
their borders because they are frightened to death of what's | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
happening with terrorism. Mike Hookem in Brussels, thanks for | :16:10. | :16:10. | |
joining us this morning. Conservative MPs rallied around | :16:11. | :16:13. | |
George Osborne as he closed the Budget debate and explained that | :16:14. | :16:15. | |
he'd listened and learned, cancelling changes to | :16:16. | :16:17. | |
Personal Independence Payments for the disabled, as well as | :16:18. | :16:19. | |
the so-called tampon tax And he had warm words | :16:20. | :16:21. | |
for the departed Work and Pensions Secretary Iain | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
Duncan Smith, as he tried But has the unravelling of last | :16:26. | :16:28. | |
week's Budget left the Chancellor in the naughty corner, | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
and what does it mean for his plans The Conservative Party Manifesto | :16:34. | :16:36. | |
promised to keep spending on working-age welfare, | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
so that excludes pensions, But George Osborne is already | :16:42. | :16:44. | |
on course to breach the cap next year, set at some ?115.2 billion, | :16:45. | :16:51. | |
with spending on working-age welfare forecast to be over ?4 | :16:52. | :16:57. | |
billon more than that. And by the end of the Parliament | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
the overspend is predicted But the Budget says that will be put | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
right in the Autumn Statement, However, the new Work | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
and Pensions Secretary Stephen Crabb said on Monday there were no further | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
plans for welfare cuts other than those already in the pipeline, | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
and confirmed the changes to Personal Independence Payments, | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
or PIPs, that prompted the resignation of Iain Duncan Smith | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
will not go ahead. The Chancellor was hoping the PIP | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
changes would save ?1.3 billion So will the Chancellor press ahead | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
with further cuts to welfare or abandon his welfare cap and break | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
a manifesto promise? In the Commons yesterday, | :17:42. | :17:47. | |
he reiterated what Stephen Crabb had Well, my right honourable friend | :17:48. | :17:49. | |
said yesterday exactly We have no further | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
plans to make welfare savings beyond the very substantial | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
savings legislated for by Parliament two weeks ago, which we will | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
focus on implementing. George Osborne in the House of | :18:05. | :18:16. | |
Commons yesterday. Brandon Lewis, the Chancellor said he was sorry | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
that Ian Duncan Smith had resigned but he didn't apologise for the | :18:20. | :18:22. | |
policies that drove him to that resignation. Should he have done? I | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
think in outlining as he did yesterday the fact that we have | :18:28. | :18:30. | |
said... As he has done before, actually. He outlined yesterday that | :18:31. | :18:38. | |
he had listened to colleagues and people across the House and it's a | :18:39. | :18:40. | |
good thing we've got a government that is bred to listen and make | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
changes. So in your view he has apologised for the policies? They | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
were the wrong policies to pursue? He outlined last week what the | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
government's policy was. Having listened to colleagues and listen to | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
people across the country and right across the House, making those | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
changes, it they have been clear we will not move forward. Was a clear | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
message. We are listening to people and making decisions a stomach | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
information and taking the budget process seriously. Democracy in | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
action. It is clear, then, that there will be no welfare cuts in | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
this Parliament? You can confirm that? You've just seen on the clip | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
their, there are no plans other than what was voted for a few weeks ago. | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
No plans to leave it open. I want to know and the viewers want to know, | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
are they going to be no further cuts to welfare in this Parliament? Well, | :19:31. | :19:33. | |
not just because I'm not the Secretary of State for the DWP or | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
the Chancellor, we've got four years left of this Parliament, so there | :19:38. | :19:42. | |
are several fiscal positions with all Autumn Statement and budgets to | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
come through. The OBR will report back up the Autumn Statement and | :19:48. | :19:49. | |
then the Chancellor will have to ally where we are with regards to | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
the welfare cup. But there are no plans for further welfare cuts. So | :19:54. | :19:59. | |
you can't rule it out? I accept your not a Chancellor Angela Merkel in | :20:00. | :20:02. | |
the department... You might be after this programme! But you can't rule | :20:03. | :20:06. | |
it out? We've got four years of Parliament left and none of us know | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
what the economic... What we are very clear about is that we would | :20:11. | :20:16. | |
need to get the deficit under control, which has led to difficult | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
decisions, but I'm very pleased we got a government that listens to | :20:21. | :20:23. | |
people and is making decisions based on the thing of the information in | :20:24. | :20:26. | |
front of it. How will people trust what George Osborne says if you're | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
sitting here today saying, "There are no plans at the moment but there | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
could be because of your commitment to the welfare cup"? He's also had | :20:36. | :20:41. | |
to U-turn on tax credit changes and do the same on the changes to PIP. | :20:42. | :20:47. | |
If you are disabled person and you are watching this, you will think, | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
even now, my future is still uncertain in terms of future | :20:53. | :20:55. | |
finances, it is if there are going to be no further cuts, how is George | :20:56. | :20:58. | |
Osborne going to meet his welfare cup by the end of the Parliament? | :20:59. | :21:04. | |
Firstly, to be very clear for vulnerable and disabled people in | :21:05. | :21:06. | |
that position, not only have we spent 3 billion more in the last few | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
years than we had in 2010, spending for disabled people goes up every | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
year in this Parliament. But it doesn't go up in the way it has been | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
and that was the point. The changes were going to mean that that | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
increase would be lower. But answer the question about how he is going | :21:24. | :21:26. | |
to meet his welfare cup. Let me answer the point you made about how | :21:27. | :21:29. | |
people will have trusts around the welfare cup. We are determined to | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
get that deficit and debt down and protect the most honourable but I | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
think people will like the fact that we have a government that listens to | :21:38. | :21:44. | |
people and has responded to that. How is George Osborne GoToMeeting is | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
welfare cup by the end of the Parliament? We've already predicted | :21:49. | :21:53. | |
that we will have a very clear surplus by the end of the | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
Parliament... BIF S have said that is going to be very difficult but as | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
it stands at the moment, you are going to breach that cap and you are | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
not going to make the savings that George Osborne hopes to because of | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
the changes to PIP being scrapped so as I say, he's either going to | :22:13. | :22:15. | |
breach his welfare cup on the figures we have now or he's going to | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
make further cuts. Which is a? We will outline at the Autumn Statement | :22:20. | :22:22. | |
where we are in terms of the welfare cup. We are also very clear we will | :22:23. | :22:31. | |
show that surplus in 2021. Used said he's not going to make further cuts | :22:32. | :22:34. | |
so where is he going to meet his welfare cap? We are talking about | :22:35. | :22:42. | |
the welfare cap. How is he going to meet his welfare cap if he is or do | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
bridging it by 3.2 billion, at the 1 billion he was going to say from | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
PIP. Where is he going to take it from if he's not going to do make | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
further cuts to the welfare budget? There are no further plans to the | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
welfare budget. He is going to breach his welfare cup. The | :23:02. | :23:04. | |
Chancellor will assess where we are and make a statement about where we | :23:05. | :23:07. | |
are with the welfare cap and have to make a statement to Parliament about | :23:08. | :23:19. | |
the changes going forward. We have responded positively to what people | :23:20. | :23:22. | |
have outlined. I think it is very clear that people appreciate having | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
a government that listens to people and makes changes fall the most | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
vulnerable people in society. You supported the welfare cap when it | :23:34. | :23:35. | |
was introduced to stop I still in favour of it? I think there should | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
be a cap on welfare spending but we would go about controlling the cost | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
of Social Security in a very different way from the Tories. We | :23:43. | :23:45. | |
never signed up to the specific numbers in the welfare cap that the | :23:46. | :23:48. | |
government... Yours would have been higher? We said in the last | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
parliament that we would have cancelled the bedroom tax, so that | :23:54. | :23:56. | |
would have meant higher spending on social security but it would have | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
been the right thing to do. How much I would it be, bearing in mind it is | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
already a massive budget and the predictions are to go up to 230 | :24:04. | :24:08. | |
billion. I think it stands at 220 billion in the next two years. If | :24:09. | :24:11. | |
you look at the reasons why Social Security spending is increasing, | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
it's because the Government are not getting enough disabled people back | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
into work. There are too many people in low paid work, relying on tax | :24:20. | :24:22. | |
credits and universal credit to make en suite -- make ends meet. The | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
employment figures have been good but so many jobs, about 25 descent | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
of jobs, are paying less than the living wage so people are relying on | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
benefits to make up the money. And if you look at house-building, it is | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
at a record low, which means that the housing benefit bill is going up | :24:44. | :24:50. | |
because rents are going up. So if you want to control the cost of | :24:51. | :24:52. | |
Social Security, do it by ensuring there are more good quality jobs, by | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
ensuring that more people are going out to work, being paid a wage they | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
can afford to live on, and ensure there is housing... Is that what you | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
are going to do? Let me help you little bit with where you might be | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
able to find the money. How many houses would you have to build in | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
order to bring the housing benefit bill down enough to bring George | :25:13. | :25:17. | |
Osborne within his cap? We are up to 10,000 to get for house formation. | :25:18. | :25:21. | |
We are aiming to build a million homes. Is that going to mean you are | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
going to bring housing benefit down enough? If we build more homes we | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
get more people into the web of their own home. The lowest level of | :25:32. | :25:34. | |
house-building in this country was when John Healey was the housing | :25:35. | :25:40. | |
minister in 2008-9. We have to venture because we have PMQs coming | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
up in a few minutes but at the moment, I can't quite see how George | :25:45. | :25:47. | |
Osborne is going to meet his welfare cap. | :25:48. | :25:48. | |
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loyal to each other and, But not everyone rates | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
loyalty so highly. Apparently, Jeremy Corbyn's allies | :25:59. | :26:01. | |
have ranked every Labour MP by their loyalty to the leadership | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
and then divided them into five groups, from a core group of those | :26:08. | :26:10. | |
closest to Mr Corbyn down And Rachel is reported to be | :26:11. | :26:13. | |
in the hostile group, along with the London mayoral | :26:14. | :26:19. | |
candidate Sadiq Khan and the Labour Now, Rachel, we don't think | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
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for Guess The Year on our website. It's coming up to midday here, | :28:33. | :28:34. | |
just take a look at Big Ben, and that can mean only one thing: | :28:35. | :28:46. | |
Yes, Prime Minister's Questions PMQs will take place to the backdrop | :28:47. | :29:00. | |
of the developing story because it is far from over and a lot more will | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
be coming out. How does that constrain Mr Corbyn? I think it | :29:06. | :29:09. | |
means certainly the tone at the beginning of Prime Minister's | :29:10. | :29:12. | |
Questions will be very sombre and the Home Secretary is also to make a | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
statement later today. So I think as ever on these kinds of occasions, | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
when there is a very upsetting, dangerous, difficult situation in | :29:22. | :29:25. | |
one of our new neighbours, or frankly any of these events around | :29:26. | :29:28. | |
the world, it does set the tone and their four restrict Mr Corbyn. | :29:29. | :29:32. | |
However, there has also been an extraordinary few days politically. | :29:33. | :29:38. | |
The most extraordinary few days the government has faced so far and | :29:39. | :29:46. | |
whether or not he will mention that, there is a huge amount for him to go | :29:47. | :29:54. | |
on. Many Labour MPs were disappointed that he didn't mention | :29:55. | :29:57. | |
IDS earlier in the Commons. There will be difficult for him to make | :29:58. | :30:00. | |
that tradition but strange if he didn't. After the Primus and Leader | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
of the Opposition say what they have to say, it will likely move on to | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
the whole business of the IDS resignation, the government pulling | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
out of its welfare changes, the hole that is now the Chancellor's budget. | :30:15. | :30:21. | |
You and I have sat here on many occasions saying, we would all | :30:22. | :30:24. | |
expect Jeremy Corbyn to raise this issue or to go on this particular | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
thing, and then he hasn't. That said, Labour have, they would say, | :30:30. | :30:32. | |
and it is true that they have continually raise the question of | :30:33. | :30:37. | |
measures to raise visibility payments... John McDonell made a | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
huge response to that yesterday. Jeremy Corbyn also mentioned that in | :30:42. | :30:44. | |
his response to the budget. So I thing we can expect questions on | :30:45. | :30:47. | |
welfare. Whether or not Jeremy Corbyn inflates that web of | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
complaints that with political difficulties... | :30:52. | :30:58. | |
A Belfast prison of the died last week as a result of injuries caused | :30:59. | :31:04. | |
by a bomb placed under his vehicle. A murder investigation is under way, | :31:05. | :31:09. | |
a man has been charged, but we should offer our condolences to the | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
family and friends. Let me also briefly update the house on the | :31:15. | :31:19. | |
attacks yesterday in Brussels. Details are emerging, but at least | :31:20. | :31:22. | |
34 people were killed and many others injured. Daesh claimed | :31:23. | :31:31. | |
responsibility, following their attack in Istanbul. We are aware of | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
for British nationals injured, and we are concerned about one missing | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
British national. We face a common terror threat and I am sure the | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
whole house will join me in expressing our solidarity with the | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
people of Belgium. I spoke to the Belgian Prime Minister yesterday to | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
pass on our condolences, our police and agencies are doing everything | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
they can to support. We have increased police patrols and border | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
screening here. The Home Secretary will make a statement later setting | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
out the steps we are taking. Britain and Belgium share the same values of | :32:07. | :32:10. | |
liberty and democracy, the terrorists want to destroy | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
everything that we stand for, but we will never let them. I had meetings | :32:15. | :32:20. | |
with ministerial colleagues and others this morning, and I shall | :32:21. | :32:22. | |
have further such meetings later today. Bombers aim for public | :32:23. | :32:33. | |
reaction and this unity. Can we disappoint them by uniting for hope, | :32:34. | :32:40. | |
not hate? He is absolutely right to say that. These people packed their | :32:41. | :32:47. | |
explosives with nails to kill as many innocent people, women and | :32:48. | :32:51. | |
children, as they could, and we should unite in condemnation, stand | :32:52. | :32:57. | |
with the people and Government of Belgium and with all countries | :32:58. | :33:00. | |
afflicted by this appalling menace and say they shall never went. I | :33:01. | :33:09. | |
wish to support the words just said by the member for Worthing and the | :33:10. | :33:12. | |
Prime Minister in solidarity with the people of Belgium and the | :33:13. | :33:16. | |
victims of the horrific attacks that have taken place in Brussels and | :33:17. | :33:21. | |
Ankara in the last few days. We pay respect and tribute to their | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
families and friends and enormous respect to the emergency services of | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
all the nominations for the huge work they have done to save life. We | :33:30. | :33:32. | |
must defend our security and values in the face of such outrages and | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
refuse to be drawn into a cycle of violence and hatred. We take pride | :33:38. | :33:43. | |
in our societies of diverse faiths, and creeds, and we will not allow | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
those who seek to divide us to succeed. My right honourable friend | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
will respond on behalf of the Labour Party to the Home Secretary. I also | :33:53. | :33:59. | |
joined the Prime Minister in sending my deepest condolences to the man's | :34:00. | :34:07. | |
wife and daughters, the people of Northern Ireland chose to follow the | :34:08. | :34:10. | |
path of peace when they widely adopted the Good Friday agreement, | :34:11. | :34:17. | |
the actions of an unrepresented few should not change the course | :34:18. | :34:19. | |
supported by the overwhelming majority of people. On a different | :34:20. | :34:25. | |
subject altogether, last week I got a letter from Adrian, he said, I am | :34:26. | :34:32. | |
disabled and live in constant fear of my benefits being reassessed and | :34:33. | :34:35. | |
stopped and being forced onto the street. Could the Prime Minister do | :34:36. | :34:41. | |
what the Chancellor failed to do yesterday and apologise to those who | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
went through such anguish and upset during the threat of cuts in their | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
personal independence payment? Let me thank the right honourable | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
gentleman for what he said about the terrorist attacks in Belgium and for | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
what he said about Northern Ireland and the fact that we have achieved | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
so much peace and progress in that valuable part of the UK. Turning to | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
the issue of disability benefits, as I said on Monday, when you are faced | :35:09. | :35:14. | |
with having to take very many very difficult decisions, including many | :35:15. | :35:17. | |
spending reductions, as we were after becoming the Government in | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
2010, you do not always get every decision right. I am the first to | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
admit that, and on every occasion that happens it is important you | :35:27. | :35:29. | |
learn the lessons of. But we will continue to increase spending on | :35:30. | :35:35. | |
disability benefits, which will be ?46 billion more a year by the end | :35:36. | :35:41. | |
of this Parliament, to pay to I became Prime Minister. Government | :35:42. | :35:48. | |
figures published only this morning showed the number of people with | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
disabilities and homeless is now up by 39% since 2010. 300,000 more | :35:53. | :35:58. | |
disabled people are living in absolute poverty. That is why people | :35:59. | :36:04. | |
like Adrian are very worried, there has been big disarray in the | :36:05. | :36:11. | |
cabinet, so can the Prime Minister now absolutely, categorically rule | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
out any further cuts to welfare spending in the lifetime of this | :36:16. | :36:22. | |
Parliament? Simply, yes or no? Let me respond to the point he made. He | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
talked about the number of people in poverty, we have seen poverty fall | :36:27. | :36:32. | |
over this Parliament. Secondly, he referred to the regrettable rise in | :36:33. | :36:36. | |
homelessness, with figures out today, but it is still 58% below the | :36:37. | :36:42. | |
peak that it reached under Labour, that is important. They talked about | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
the number of disabled people, this is a Government committed to | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
supporting the disabled, but in the last two years there are extra | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
293,000 disabled people who got it to work. We want to continue as we | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
have set out in our manifesto to close that this ability gap. As for | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
the question about further welfare reductions, let me repeat a | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
statement that the new secretary made on Monday, the Chancellor made | :37:12. | :37:18. | |
on Tuesday. I dealt with these issues on Monday. If he does not ask | :37:19. | :37:23. | |
the questions, I get the answers, even if he had not given the | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
questions, but we are not planning additional welfare savings other | :37:29. | :37:32. | |
than the one that we set out in our manifesto and that are in train. My | :37:33. | :37:39. | |
question was actually about the poverty of people with disabilities, | :37:40. | :37:42. | |
which the Prime Minister did not answer. In his failure to explain | :37:43. | :37:49. | |
how he would fill the hole in his Budget left by the change of heart | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
on the IP, the Chancellor said, we can absorb such changes. If it is so | :37:55. | :38:01. | |
easy to absorb changes of this nature, why did the Chancellor and | :38:02. | :38:04. | |
the Prime Minister ever and answered in the first place? Will he now | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
listen and learn and withdraw the ?30 a week cut to disabled ESA | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
claimants, which is Government is pursuing? The changes have been | :38:14. | :38:20. | |
through both Houses of Parliament, and it is important to note that | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
employment and support allowance for the most disabled, the support | :38:26. | :38:30. | |
group, are up by ?650 a year under this Government, we have increased | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
the higher rate of attendance allowance, carers allowance, the | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
enhanced rate of PIP, because a stronger economy should support the | :38:40. | :38:43. | |
most disabled people, and that is what we have legislated to do. If he | :38:44. | :38:47. | |
wants to get on to discussing black holes, I say, bring on the argument, | :38:48. | :38:55. | |
because we inherited an 11% Budget deficit from the Labour Party. Under | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
this team of ministers and this Chancellor, we have cut that deficit | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
by two thirds since we became the Government. From Labour, all we have | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
had is more proposals for more spending, more welfare, more taxes, | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
more debt, all of the things that got us into the biggest mess with | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
the biggest Black hole in the first place. If it is also fine and dandy, | :39:19. | :39:30. | |
why did the member for Chingford feel it necessary to resign as Work | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
and Pensions Secretary, complaining that the cuts being announced were | :39:35. | :39:41. | |
to fit arbitrary fiscal targets? He said they were distinctly political | :39:42. | :39:44. | |
rather than in the national economic interest. If the -- in the initial | :39:45. | :39:50. | |
announcement he proposed cuts in PIP, then changed his mind. | :39:51. | :39:58. | |
Is the honourable member right when he says it was a political decision? | :39:59. | :40:06. | |
After seven or eight years of economic growth, it is right to be | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
targeting a surplus, as a responsible Government put aside | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
money for a rainy day. I do not want to be part of a Government that does | :40:16. | :40:19. | |
not have the courage to pay off our debts and leave them instead to our | :40:20. | :40:24. | |
children and grandchildren. That is the truth. What is dressed up as | :40:25. | :40:27. | |
compassion from the party opposite just means putting off difficult | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
decisions and asking our children to pay the debts we were not prepared | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
to pay ourselves. I don't know why the shadow leader of the house is | :40:37. | :40:42. | |
shouting at me. We have got an interesting document, the | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
spreadsheet of which Labour MP is on which side. The honourable lady | :40:46. | :40:54. | |
shouting, but it says here... She is neutral but not hostile. The Chief | :40:55. | :41:01. | |
Whip on the other hand is being a bit quiet. | :41:02. | :41:12. | |
Mr Speaker... There are five categories. We have core support,... | :41:13. | :41:24. | |
I have got all the way. We have got poor support,... You can include me | :41:25. | :41:36. | |
in that lot. They have -- the Chief Whip is being quiet because she is | :41:37. | :41:40. | |
in hostile. I thought I had problems! | :41:41. | :41:49. | |
If I could invite the Prime Minister to leave the theatre and return to | :41:50. | :42:01. | |
reality... The reality is he has presided over a Budget that | :42:02. | :42:05. | |
unravelled in two days and now contains a 4.4 billion black hole. | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
He may wish to consult the Chancellor on get another change of | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
heart on this matter. Could he now consult the Chancellor and tell the | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
country who will pay for this black hole? Will it be cuts or tax rises? | :42:21. | :42:25. | |
Where we'll be cuts fall, where we'll be tax rises take place? 4.4 | :42:26. | :42:29. | |
billion has to be found from somewhere. Suddenly the king of | :42:30. | :42:42. | |
fiscal rectitude speaks! He may have noticed the Budget passed last night | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
and it cuts the deficit in every year of this Parliament, it delivers | :42:48. | :42:51. | |
a surplus by the end of this Parliament, and none of that will | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
change. He talks about this Budget,... Hold on, hostile shout, | :42:56. | :43:04. | |
that's right, but neutral but not hostile, you have to be quiet, I | :43:05. | :43:05. | |
think. Hands up who is core support plus? | :43:06. | :43:22. | |
Anybody else? I would tell you what this Budget did, it had a million | :43:23. | :43:27. | |
people out of income tax, it saw more money for our schools, it | :43:28. | :43:30. | |
helped the poorest people to save, it cut taxes for small businesses, | :43:31. | :43:35. | |
for the self-employed, it made our economy stronger and our country | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
fairer, and it will help this country do better. | :43:40. | :43:46. | |
The truth is it was a Budget that fell apart in two days. Many people | :43:47. | :43:54. | |
with disabilities went through the most unbelievable levels of stress | :43:55. | :44:00. | |
and trauma after the attempt to -- after the PIP announcement was made. | :44:01. | :44:06. | |
There are still people going through stress and trauma. I am not sure | :44:07. | :44:14. | |
those members opposite that are shouting so loudly at the moment | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
have any idea what it is like to try and balance a Budget at home when | :44:20. | :44:22. | |
you do not have enough money coming in, the rent is going up and the | :44:23. | :44:29. | |
children need clothes. Order. There is too much shouting on both sides | :44:30. | :44:34. | |
of the house. Stop it. The public are bored stiff by it. The right | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
Honourable gentleman will finish his question, we will have an answer, | :44:39. | :44:44. | |
but no shouting from members of any grouping. The Budget has do mean | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
something for everybody, however poor and however precarious their | :44:50. | :44:56. | |
lives are. This Budget downgraded growth, downgraded wage growth, | :44:57. | :45:04. | |
downgraded investment, the Chancellor has failed on debt | :45:05. | :45:08. | |
targets, on deficit targets, as the official figures have shown. The | :45:09. | :45:14. | |
fiscal rule is failing. The Treasury Select Committee scrutinised it, | :45:15. | :45:18. | |
they could not find any credible economist who backed it. Can the | :45:19. | :45:22. | |
primaries to find anybody that backs a Budget and a policy that is a | :45:23. | :45:29. | |
Budget with a big hole in it and downgrades everything a forecast | :45:30. | :45:31. | |
that they set themselves before the Budget was made? | :45:32. | :45:36. | |
He's a bit late because the budget passed through this House with large | :45:37. | :45:42. | |
majorities on every single vote. Let me remind him, this is | :45:43. | :45:43. | |
a government that is spending more on the disabled than in any year | :45:44. | :45:48. | |
under the last Labour government. We are spending more on the most | :45:49. | :45:52. | |
disabled, including the most disabled children in our country. We | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
got more disabled people into work and ever happened under Labour and | :45:57. | :46:00. | |
what we see with this budget is the background of an economy that is | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
growing, employment at a record high, investment that is rising, | :46:05. | :46:07. | |
businesses that are creating jobs in Britain, that is the envy of other | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
European economies. And it's because we got a strong economy that we are | :46:13. | :46:15. | |
able to provide this support. That is what you concede, Britain getting | :46:16. | :46:19. | |
stronger and the Labour Party a threat to the economic security of | :46:20. | :46:26. | |
every family in our country. I'm sure the Prime Minister is as | :46:27. | :46:30. | |
appalled as I am that incidents of anti-Semitism are on the rise. Does | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
my right honourable friend agree with me that all organisations, | :46:36. | :46:41. | |
public and private, should root out anti-Semitism without hesitation? I | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
completely agree with my honourable friend. Anti-Semitism is an absolute | :46:46. | :46:51. | |
cancer in our society and we should know that when it grows, it is the | :46:52. | :46:56. | |
signal of many even worse things happening to ethnic groups and | :46:57. | :46:59. | |
different groups all over our country. There is, sadly, a growth | :47:00. | :47:04. | |
of anti-Semitism in our country and we see it in terms of attacks on | :47:05. | :47:08. | |
Jewish people and Jewish students and it absolutely has to be stamped | :47:09. | :47:13. | |
out. We should all, all of us, whatever organisation we are | :47:14. | :47:15. | |
responsible for, make sure that happens. We do see a growth in | :47:16. | :47:19. | |
support for segregation and four anti-Semitism in the heart of the | :47:20. | :47:23. | |
Labour Party and I would say to the lead opposite it is his party, he | :47:24. | :47:25. | |
should sort it out. Order! This sort of gesticulation | :47:26. | :47:42. | |
across the chamber... Order! Is way below the level and the dignity of | :47:43. | :47:46. | |
the senior members of the front bench on either side. Terribly | :47:47. | :47:51. | |
tedious. Cut it out. Angus Robertson. When terrorists attack | :47:52. | :48:00. | |
Russells or Paris or London or Glasgow, we are as one in our | :48:01. | :48:03. | |
condemnation of these atrocities, as we equally condemn the killings of | :48:04. | :48:11. | |
your CDs, of Kurds, of Syrians and Iraqis by other extremists. -- of | :48:12. | :48:19. | |
Yazidis. We owe a debt of gratitude to those who work here and abroad in | :48:20. | :48:22. | |
the face of the ongoing terrorist threat. Will the Prime Minister | :48:23. | :48:25. | |
confirm that absolutely everything is being done to help the Belgian | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
authorities and the people of Belgium in the wake of the Brussels | :48:30. | :48:34. | |
tax? I can certainly confirm that. In my conversation with the Belgian | :48:35. | :48:38. | |
Prime Minister, I made a number of offers about policing and | :48:39. | :48:40. | |
intelligence assistance that we could give, particularly high-end | :48:41. | :48:46. | |
expert and technical capabilities. There are already some intelligence | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
officers embedded with the Belgian authorities and strong police to | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
police co-operation. Clearly the Belgians could be with an | :48:55. | :48:56. | |
unprecedented situation in their country. We stand ready to do | :48:57. | :49:02. | |
anything more that we can and we are examined all the capabilities we | :49:03. | :49:06. | |
have here to see what more we can do to safeguard our own country. A | :49:07. | :49:11. | |
defining characteristic of a democratic society is our trust in | :49:12. | :49:16. | |
our institutions and democratic oversight by parliamentarians of | :49:17. | :49:19. | |
those who work so hard to keep us safe. We have that oversight with | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
our police, we have that oversight with our security services. We don't | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
yet have that with UK special forces under the intelligence and security | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
committee or the Defence Select Committee. Will the Prime Minister | :49:32. | :49:38. | |
address this? I'm afraid I just part company with the right honourable | :49:39. | :49:41. | |
gentleman on this one. We have put in place I think some of the most | :49:42. | :49:46. | |
extensive oversight arrangements for our intelligence and security | :49:47. | :49:50. | |
services. They do a remarkable job and, of course, the police are | :49:51. | :49:53. | |
regular record to account both locally and nationally. I think the | :49:54. | :49:58. | |
work our special forces do is absolutely vital for our country. | :49:59. | :50:01. | |
They are subject to international law, as everyone else's in our | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
country, but I do not propose to change the arrangements under which | :50:07. | :50:13. | |
these incredibly brave men work. In England, this government has | :50:14. | :50:16. | |
delivered better GCSEs, better A-levels and a better chance of | :50:17. | :50:18. | |
getting into university than Labour in Wales. Would my right honourable | :50:19. | :50:24. | |
friend agree with me that members opposite have no right to criticise | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
our education policies when their own education minister in Wales has | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
had to issue a public apology for the failure of his own? I think my | :50:33. | :50:38. | |
honourable friend makes an important point. What we've seen in England, | :50:39. | :50:42. | |
and we should praise the teachers who worked so hard to deliver these | :50:43. | :50:47. | |
results, but it's the result of rigour in standards, independents in | :50:48. | :50:51. | |
our schools and accountability for results. And when we look at Wales, | :50:52. | :50:55. | |
we don't see those things in place so I would urge the Welsh Assembly | :50:56. | :50:58. | |
Government and urge Welsh people when they've got a choice that these | :50:59. | :51:01. | |
elections to make sure that they vote for parties that but education | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
reform, education standards, education rigour and education | :51:06. | :51:13. | |
accountability first. In 1992, the oil tanker Bray ran aground on the | :51:14. | :51:23. | |
coast of Shetland. It was carrying tonnes of crude oil which spilled | :51:24. | :51:28. | |
into the seas and on our shoreline. It caused economic and environmental | :51:29. | :51:33. | |
devastation. Since a report into that disaster, we have had an | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
emergency pump stationed in the Northern Isles. It is our protection | :51:38. | :51:39. | |
against ever being blighted in that way again. The Maritime and | :51:40. | :51:44. | |
Coastguard Agency now wants to take that talk away. There will be no | :51:45. | :51:50. | |
finance for it after September. Will the Prime Minister look again at | :51:51. | :51:54. | |
that decision and will he give an undertaking to the people of | :51:55. | :51:59. | |
Shetland that he made in 2014 not to leave them exposed in that way | :52:00. | :52:05. | |
again? The writer will gentleman makes a very important point and my | :52:06. | :52:10. | |
understanding is that the one told that has been there, sustained off | :52:11. | :52:14. | |
the coast of Scotland, has played an important role in the past. The cost | :52:15. | :52:19. | |
is between two and ?3 million the year and it is currently used very | :52:20. | :52:23. | |
sparingly, so it is right to look at the right way to deliver the service | :52:24. | :52:26. | |
in the future. Alternative options will take time to develop and | :52:27. | :52:29. | |
implement, which is why we've announced that this will be funded | :52:30. | :52:33. | |
until the 30th of September 2016 and will have to make a decision on | :52:34. | :52:36. | |
provision in due course and I'll keep him in touch with those develop | :52:37. | :52:44. | |
on. -- developments. We believe in doing the right thing and that's why | :52:45. | :52:53. | |
it's absolutely right that the proceeds of crime are returned to | :52:54. | :52:55. | |
the local communities that have been the victims of crime. | :52:56. | :53:01. | |
Staffordshire's Police and Crime Commissioner, Matthew Ellis, is | :53:02. | :53:03. | |
calling on community groups in Cannock Chase to apply for grants | :53:04. | :53:11. | |
from his proceeds of crime fun. Does my right honourable friend agree | :53:12. | :53:16. | |
that this shows that our excellent Conservative Police and Crime | :53:17. | :53:18. | |
Commissioner is delivering real value for the people of | :53:19. | :53:23. | |
Staffordshire? I think she makes an important point. I think Police and | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
Crime Commissioners Ruby now have bedded in properly as a means of | :53:28. | :53:30. | |
bringing up police to account. I think the a committee recently said | :53:31. | :53:39. | |
that they provide clarity for policing and are the most vibrant | :53:40. | :53:44. | |
public as providing accountability. When they bring forward ideas like | :53:45. | :53:52. | |
using the process -- proceeds of crime light she says, they should be | :53:53. | :53:59. | |
rewarded at the ballot box. The list of Cabinet ministers who have | :54:00. | :54:01. | |
resigned since the premise expresses full confidence in them is extensive | :54:02. | :54:07. | |
so does the Prime Minister still have full governors of the | :54:08. | :54:10. | |
Chancellor? Of course because he is the one working as part of a team | :54:11. | :54:12. | |
that has delivered the fastest-growing economy in the G7, | :54:13. | :54:17. | |
2.4 million people in work, inflation that is virtually zero, | :54:18. | :54:20. | |
wages that are growing, an economy that is getting stronger. The House | :54:21. | :54:31. | |
of Commons library confirms that this year, our net contribution to | :54:32. | :54:37. | |
the EU will increase by over ?2.6 billion. I think it is actually 2600 | :54:38. | :54:45. | |
?27 million. Prime Minister, should that money be spent supporting | :54:46. | :54:49. | |
people in Bulgaria and Romania or should it be spent in this country | :54:50. | :54:52. | |
supporting our vulnerable and disabled people? What I would say to | :54:53. | :54:58. | |
my honourable friend is, our net contribution to the EU accounts for | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
about just over 1p in every pound that is paid in taxes. So as we | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
enter this vital debate, we have to work out whether we believe that | :55:08. | :55:11. | |
that sort of investment, 1p out of every pound, is worth the jobs and | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
the investment and the growth and the security and the safety and the | :55:16. | :55:18. | |
solidarity that we get through working with our partners. I will be | :55:19. | :55:22. | |
on the side saying that I think that it is and he is clearly going to be | :55:23. | :55:25. | |
on the side saying that he thinks that it isn't, but we should have a | :55:26. | :55:29. | |
polite and reasonable debate as we go about this. What I would stay, | :55:30. | :55:33. | |
which I'm sure he will welcome, is we have, of course, limited our | :55:34. | :55:37. | |
contributions to the EU budget because we set an overall budget | :55:38. | :55:41. | |
which is falling over the next six years. The reason our contributions | :55:42. | :55:47. | |
vary as part of it is generated determining on the success of your | :55:48. | :55:50. | |
economy. Because our economy has been growing faster than others in | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
Europe, we been making a slightly larger contribution than we | :55:55. | :56:01. | |
otherwise would be. My constituents Susan suffered not only the death of | :56:02. | :56:06. | |
her son but the unexplained circumstances in which this | :56:07. | :56:09. | |
occurred. This meant a 12 year battle with the authorities in | :56:10. | :56:13. | |
Belgrade, where this happened. The UK coroner has now ruled this as | :56:14. | :56:17. | |
murder so would the Prime Minister or Foreign Secretary meet with the | :56:18. | :56:23. | |
family and do what can be done to get a proper investigation to | :56:24. | :56:25. | |
resolve the question marks that remain and achieve justice for | :56:26. | :56:30. | |
Peter? I'm not aware of the case the honourable lady mentions but it is | :56:31. | :56:35. | |
important that hurt constituent gets proper resolution in this matter and | :56:36. | :56:38. | |
I'll make sure she has a meeting with Foreign Office ministers to | :56:39. | :56:44. | |
discuss it. JP Morgan Chase, sun-seeker, Cobham lush and many | :56:45. | :56:47. | |
other local businesses are supporting the inaugural mid Dorset | :56:48. | :56:54. | |
apprentice ship and jobs fair. I know the Prime Minister will be | :56:55. | :56:57. | |
warmly welcomed if he happens to be free. It is on the 15th of April in | :56:58. | :57:04. | |
Wimborne. I know the Prime Minister will warmly welcome the news that | :57:05. | :57:07. | |
unemployment in my constituency is down by more than 60% but will he | :57:08. | :57:11. | |
ensure that we are not complacent and that we secure the vital | :57:12. | :57:16. | |
infrastructure needed to get good quality jobs in Dorset and across | :57:17. | :57:21. | |
the south-west? He is absolutely right. One of the reasons why we've | :57:22. | :57:24. | |
managed to get our unemployment rate down to around 5% and we've seen 2.4 | :57:25. | :57:30. | |
will he and more of our fellow countrymen and women into work is | :57:31. | :57:38. | |
because we've seen businesses recover and apprenticeships are | :57:39. | :57:41. | |
taking place as part of the 3 million target for adventurous we | :57:42. | :57:46. | |
have in this Parliament. Academics, civil society and the Scottish | :57:47. | :57:49. | |
Government have all condemned the government's anti-lobbying clause in | :57:50. | :57:55. | |
new grant agreements. How can the Prime Minister promote transparency, | :57:56. | :57:57. | |
democracy and freedom of speech overseas when this clause is | :57:58. | :58:00. | |
clamping down on those principles here in the UK? I would answer very | :58:01. | :58:05. | |
simply that I want to see taxpayers' money going to good causes, rather | :58:06. | :58:13. | |
than in lobbying ministers and MPs and spending money here. That's what | :58:14. | :58:16. | |
they should be spending their money on. That it is worth making the | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
point that we are only one day away from what would have been separation | :58:21. | :58:26. | |
day for Scotland. Had that happened, there wouldn't be money for | :58:27. | :58:29. | |
charities, there wouldn't be money for anything. Pubs are the beating | :58:30. | :58:39. | |
heart of many communities across the UK. Will the Prime Minister join me | :58:40. | :58:43. | |
in welcoming the support given to pubs in successive budgets, join me | :58:44. | :58:50. | |
for duty frozen pint in the Crown Hotel in my constituency and tell | :58:51. | :58:54. | |
the House more he can do to support this vital part of our economy? I | :58:55. | :58:58. | |
thanked him for his kind invitation. I think we've seen in budget after | :58:59. | :59:02. | |
budget this government supporting the pub industry is such an | :59:03. | :59:06. | |
important part of our economy and such an important part, particularly | :59:07. | :59:10. | |
of rural communities. I can make one announcement today which is that | :59:11. | :59:13. | |
subject to the usual conditions, will be extending pub opening hours | :59:14. | :59:17. | |
on the 10th and 11th of June this year to mark Her Majesty The Queen's | :59:18. | :59:22. | |
90th birthday. I'm sure that will be welcome right across the House. If | :59:23. | :59:28. | |
you compare my constituency to the constituency of the Prime Minister | :59:29. | :59:31. | |
and the Chancellor, you will find that I have four times the number of | :59:32. | :59:34. | |
youths unemployed, more than double the disabled claimant count and an | :59:35. | :59:39. | |
average weekly wage of 20% less. Are these the reasons that the Prime | :59:40. | :59:43. | |
Minister and Chancellor never had the compassion to realise that the | :59:44. | :59:46. | |
disabled cuts were so obviously wrong when everybody else did? I | :59:47. | :59:51. | |
give him one further opportunity - will he apologised to my | :59:52. | :59:53. | |
constituents who have been scared witless over the past week? | :59:54. | :59:57. | |
Obviously there remain challenges in his constituency but the claimant | :59:58. | :00:00. | |
count is down by 16% in the last year alone but at the claimant count | :00:01. | :00:06. | |
has fallen by 50% since 2010 and the claimant count but he is visibly | :00:07. | :00:10. | |
mentioned has fallen by 12% in the last year. That has been because we | :00:11. | :00:18. | |
have a strong economy, businesses want to invest in our country, we | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
are supporting apprenticeships and we are making sure that growth is | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
delivering for people and in just two weeks, the national living wage | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
will come in, giving the poorest people in our country a ?900 a year | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
pay rise and that will be tax-free because we are lifting the tax | :00:35. | :00:40. | |
threshold in our country. Does my right honourable friend the Prime | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
Minister - is my right elbow friend the Prime Minister aware of the | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
remarks of Sergei Lavrov this morning that we should put aside our | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
differences, that terrorist should not be allowed to run the show, and | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
will he agree with me that we should be stronger if we could work | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
together but to do that we are going to have to have a better | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
understanding of Russian security? What I would say is, of course we | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
want to work with everyone we can to combat terrorism but when it comes | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
particularly to what is happening in Syria, it is vitally important that | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
the Russians stopped any attacks and do not restart any attacks against | :01:17. | :01:22. | |
moderate Sunnis, moderates in opposition, which clearly have to | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
form a part of our country. You cannot in the end defeat terrorism | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
simply through use of guns and missiles. You defeat terrorism | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
through governance and good working democracies cause in that way, | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
people can see their own interests being represented by the countries | :01:38. | :01:44. | |
in which they live. The former Work and Pensions Secretary described the | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
cuts to personal independence payments for the disabled as | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
divisive, unfair and against the national interest. The Chancellor's | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
U-turn suggests he now agrees. Can the Prime Minister explain how on | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
earth he allowed this to happen in the first place? Well, it's good to | :02:00. | :02:04. | |
have an intervention from someone who I think is neutral but not | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
hostile. I'm sure if she keeps going, she could join core group | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
plus. She'd be very welcome in core group plus. I'll tell you what this | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
government has done - it has increased spending on disability | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
benefits, it's seen 293,000 more disabled people into work in the | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
last two years, 2.4 million more people into work. That is bringing | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
the country together. We've got a growing economy that is delivering a | :02:32. | :02:39. | |
fairer society. My right honourable friend will have seen the recent | :02:40. | :02:42. | |
OECD reports on literacy and numeracy in England. Based on data | :02:43. | :02:49. | |
from 2012, it ranks our teenagers as bottom out of 23 developed countries | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
for basic maths and reading. A damning indictment of 13 years of | :02:55. | :03:03. | |
Labour's education policy. Doesn't this show... Order! The honourable | :03:04. | :03:09. | |
lady is entitled to ask a question. The same goes for every other | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
member. Doesn't this show why a more rigorous curriculum and more | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
autonomy for schools to succeed are vital to turn around the life | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
chances of the next-generation? My honourable friend makes an important | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
point, which it is worthwhile benchmarking your education system | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
against other advanced countries. And what we've seen in recent years | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
is that the competition is very tough but when you let other | :03:39. | :03:40. | |
countries that are succeeding, whether it is the Republic of Korea | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
or Finland, they have well-paid teachers, they have proper | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
accountability systems for results, they have a rigour in terms of their | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
discipline and that is exactly what we are introducing in our country | :03:53. | :03:55. | |
with the new curriculum coming in right now. The women of this country | :03:56. | :04:06. | |
are tired of waiting, waiting for equal pay, waiting for an end to | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
maternity and pregnancy discrimination and waiting for a | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
fair deal for pensioners. It is 2016. Can I ask the Prime Minister | :04:17. | :04:22. | |
how much longer? The honourable lady is absolutely right to raise these | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
issues and it is good that the pay gap is now at a historic low. It is | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
almost evaporated for under 40s, but there is more to be done in the | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
public sector and the private sector to bring that about. On the issue of | :04:35. | :04:40. | |
pensions, what we've introduced is a pensions system which will benefit | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
many, many women in years to come because we've got a single tier | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
pension without a means test, operated for prices, earnings or | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
2.5%. We were only able to do that because we raised the pension age, | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
saving over the long-term something like no 5p. A difficult decision but | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
the right one because it means we can look our pensioners in the eye | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
and know they are getting security in their old age. -- something like | :05:07. | :05:19. | |
?0.5 billion. If we are going to meet the target for apprenticeships | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
to which the Prime Minister referred, the whole public sector | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
needs to play its part. Will the Prime Minister and ensure that every | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
part of the public sector invests in training our young people so we have | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
the skills the country needs? He is right to raise this. It is a very | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
stringent target, getting 3 million apprentices trained in this | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
Parliament. We are going to have to see those large companies that have | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
put their shoulders of the wheel on this agenda to continue to do so, | :05:49. | :05:52. | |
but there are two sectors where we need to do better. One is in the | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
public sector, where we need more public sector organisations to get | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
behind apprenticeships, and we need to make it simple and attractive for | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
small businesses to start training apprentices again. That is what my | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
right honourable friend, the Member for Grantham, is doing and we all | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
need to work very hard to do this by the end of the Parliament. If the UK | :06:12. | :06:19. | |
votes to leave the EU in June, does the Prime Minister believed that the | :06:20. | :06:21. | |
EU institutions will respond vindictively? It's a very difficult | :06:22. | :06:33. | |
question to answer. I think that if we were to vote to leave, I do think | :06:34. | :06:40. | |
we should be naive about believing that other countries would | :06:41. | :06:42. | |
automatically cut us some sort of sweetheart deal. I think if you just | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
take one industry as an example, take farming. Our farmers now know | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
they have duty-free, quota free, tax free access to a market of 500 | :06:55. | :07:00. | |
million people. Were we to leave, can we really guarantee that French | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
farmers or Italian farmers or Spanish farmers wouldn't put | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
pressure on their governments to give us a less good deal? I don't | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
think we can and that's one of the many reasons I think we are safer, | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
more secure and better off in a reformed EU. In April 2015, the | :07:16. | :07:22. | |
Prime Minister said that there should be a new Carlisle principle | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
to ensure that other parts of the UK do not lose out by Scottish | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
devolution. Could the Prime Minister confirm that this principle will | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
apply, who will review the position and when will it report and who will | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
it report to? He is absolutely right and I think this is important, | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
particularly for constituencies like his, very close to the border, to | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
make sure that decisions that are made, quite sensibly and rightly, by | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
devolved parliaments and assemblies don't disadvantage the rest of the | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
UK. That was the principle set out and the Chancellor will report | :08:00. | :08:01. | |
regularly on that as he updates the House on his fiscal plans. I trust | :08:02. | :08:09. | |
that the Prime Minister will be aware that there is a critical | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
meeting of the board of Tata in Mumbai on Tuesday. I will be flying | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
out to Mumbai with the general secretary of community union to make | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
the case for British Steel. That meeting will be deciding the future | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
of the Port Talbot steelworks in my constituency. Will the Prime | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
Minister join me in exhorting Tata to stand with that plan and to | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
secure the future of the Port Talbot steelworks? I absolutely give him my | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
backing on that. A team of ministers met yesterday to discuss all of the | :08:41. | :08:43. | |
things that we can do to get behind the steel industry at this vital | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
time. It is an extremely difficult market situation with the massive | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
global overcapacity and the huge fall in steel prices but the areas | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
where we've taken action already, and will continue to look at what we | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
can do, and that is stated compensation so we can secure the | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
energy costs, greater flexibility over EU emissions legislation. We've | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
done huge amount in terms of public procurement, which can make a big | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
difference our steel industries, and all of those things and more, and | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
making sure that tartar and others understand how valuable we believe | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
this industry is to the UK and as a government, within the limits that | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
we have, we want to be very supportive and helpful. | :09:24. | :09:33. | |
Jeremy Corbyn went on benefits for the disabled, linking it to | :09:34. | :09:41. | |
homelessness, he wanted to know why it was rising, especially the poor | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
and disabled numbers will stop he traded statistics with the Prime | :09:47. | :09:52. | |
Minister. He then broadened it out into a general attack on the Budget | :09:53. | :09:55. | |
and how the figures would now add up, given that the Government will | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
not go ahead with other welfare cuts. He then ended with the Prime | :10:01. | :10:11. | |
Minister falling back on a gimme, this list of Labour MPs, there are | :10:12. | :10:19. | |
now five categories, they are divided into whether they are | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
hostile or friendly, poor support or hostile, to Jeremy Corbyn. The Prime | :10:25. | :10:31. | |
Minister said, you are core friendly, you are caught hostile, | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
put up your hands all of whom are core support, and the Tories put | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
their hands up. That is how the mother of Parliaments came to an end | :10:43. | :10:43. | |
today. A lot of viewers thought Jeremy | :10:44. | :10:52. | |
Corbyn missed an open goal in terms of mailing the Prime Minister on the | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
changes. John Wakefield said, he was right to be shooting at camera and | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
on his Chancellor's attempt to give tax cuts to the well off at the | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
expense of the poor and disabled. Ian said, Jeremy Corbyn kicked the | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
ball hard, it ricocheted off Cameron's crossbar and into his own | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
net. He started OK but Cameron back at him away and started enjoying | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
himself. Stephen said, Jeremy Corbyn asked him what he knew about | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
hardship, this from a man who was privately educated and lives in an | :11:27. | :11:29. | |
expensive property in Islington. John said, how long can the | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
Conservatives bang on and on about the debt they were left by the Brown | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
Government? Am I missing something or is PMQs is supposed to be the | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
Prime Minister answering questions, not attempting a bad stand-up act? | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
There has been a demonstration of a disabled lobby in the Central Lobby | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
of the Commons. Literally just outside the chamber. There has been | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
a couple of dozen people angry about what has happened with the | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
disability cuts, they have gone to protest. John McDonnell has gone out | :12:06. | :12:12. | |
to address them. That is a science that Jeremy Corbyn picked the right | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
issue today. But whether he actually managed to get very far with the | :12:19. | :12:20. | |
Prime Minister is a different question. Think about the last week, | :12:21. | :12:26. | |
that should have been one of the worst PMQs that David Cameron has | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
ever faced in his six years as Prime Minister, but at the end, he was | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
cracking gags, he looked like he was in charge and enjoying every minute, | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
partly because of the list you were talking about, and what will make | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
its way into the coverage is an unfortunate week that was sent by | :12:45. | :12:46. | |
one of the Labour backbenchers during that session, who was already | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
in the hostile category, John Woodcock, no stranger to this | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
programme, I will not use the language... I am glad to hear that! | :12:57. | :13:03. | |
Watched by Her Majesty The Queen and young children and students learning | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
about politics. I shall paraphrase his description of what just | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
happened. It was a something something something disaster, the | :13:14. | :13:15. | |
worst week for David Cameron since he came in, and that stupid | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
something something list makes us look like a laughing stock. That is | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
his view of PMQs come up on the Labour backbenches, but that is what | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
will be picked up. He has deleted it, but it is doing the rounds. The | :13:30. | :13:35. | |
dangers and the lights of social media, very little stays private for | :13:36. | :13:42. | |
long. He was probably try to send it as a direct private message, a slip | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
of the finger. How do you know? Moving along! Which of the five | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
categories are you in on on the list? The list is disappointing. All | :13:53. | :14:00. | |
Labour MPs have been in the chamber, trying to hold the Prime Minister | :14:01. | :14:03. | |
and George Osborne to account for these cuts. There has been a lock to | :14:04. | :14:09. | |
hold them to account for. Exactly, and a list like this which | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
categorises us... Who has drawn it up? It is disappointing. The people | :14:15. | :14:22. | |
which are hostile to the Conservatives, all Labour MPs are | :14:23. | :14:24. | |
trying to get another Labour Government and get rid of the | :14:25. | :14:30. | |
Tories, so I wish that the leader's office, if it comes from there, | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
would concentrate on holding the Tories to account, rather than | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
trying to divide the Parliamentary Labour Party. Jeremy Corbyn's office | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
say they do not have knowledge of the list. Do we know who drew it up? | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
The suspicion it was people in and around his circle, the suggestion | :14:48. | :14:54. | |
that it was the former Labour MP who is now his political secretary. | :14:55. | :15:01. | |
Whoever did it, it was apparently drawn up in January. If you think of | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
those early days in the year, when things were more bumpy for Jeremy | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
Corbyn around the pantomime around the reshuffle... Can we rule out | :15:10. | :15:18. | |
Tory dirty tricks? My colleagues in the lobby who got hold of the list | :15:19. | :15:25. | |
have got a pretty good track record. They think it is an internal list? | :15:26. | :15:32. | |
Which category argue M? In January, I had just come back from maternity | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
leave, I had been off work for six months, so I am not sure how hostile | :15:37. | :15:42. | |
I was. I am not sure what I was doing that has so upset somebody. | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
Hostility at a distance. The only people this benefits the | :15:49. | :15:51. | |
Conservatives, and Labour have been working incredibly well together on | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
asking some of those difficult questions, and these lists have no | :15:58. | :16:04. | |
place. In the hostile column, I do there with annoyance or a sense of | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
pride? I want there to be a column which is the Labour MP 's column, | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
and I want us to work together. You have made that point, but are you | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
happy or sad to be hostile? I am sad there is such a list, it is totally | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
ridiculous. It gave the Prime Minister a get out of jail card. It | :16:26. | :16:29. | |
got them off the hook. I don't want to agree with everything that John | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
Woodcock wrote in that sweet, but it does make us look silly and a | :16:35. | :16:41. | |
laughing stock. Maybe not entirely off the hook, because when the | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
Leader of the Opposition asked the Prime Minister if there would be any | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
more welfare cuts, the Prime Minister's reply was there would be | :16:51. | :16:53. | |
no more cuts other than what is in the manifesto. The manifesto | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
included ?12 billion of welfare cuts. Is that still Government | :16:59. | :17:04. | |
policy? He outlined that today, it backs up what I said, Parliament | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
voted on some welfare cuts, there is no more planned beyond what is in | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
the manifesto. So there will be 12 billion pound of welfare cuts and | :17:15. | :17:21. | |
they will be on the working poor? We have been clear that we will always | :17:22. | :17:28. | |
ensure it pays to work and we will protect the most vulnerable. I am | :17:29. | :17:37. | |
quoting Iain Duncan Smith. He said they had already made ?22 billion of | :17:38. | :17:42. | |
cuts in welfare for the working poor, and because you have ring | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
fenced pensions, the NHS, the 12 billion was coming out of cuts to | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
the working poor. Never mind where they come from, can we get you to | :17:54. | :18:00. | |
confirm that there will still be ?12 billion of welfare cuts in this | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
Parliament? The Prime Minister has been clear, we will deliver on our | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
manifesto pledge, and on the legislation we passed. So, yes? We | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
have to get the debt down, that involves reducing the Budget. Where | :18:14. | :18:21. | |
will it come from? As has been outlined, getting more of those | :18:22. | :18:27. | |
people back into work. That 12 billion assumes you add another half | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
a million or so jobs by 2020. That is in the projections. Where will be | :18:32. | :18:38. | |
12 billion come from? We have got an Autumn Statement coming up. As the | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
Chancellor outlined, in light of the decisions made, responding, we will | :18:44. | :18:52. | |
feedback on that, --. We have got to get the deficit down, we will | :18:53. | :18:59. | |
deliver on our manifesto. Give me an idea that if there are still 12 | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
billion of cuts on the cards on welfare, which by a process of | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
elimination will be largely on the working poor, where will it come | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
from? I don't accept the second part of that. Answer the first part. I am | :19:13. | :19:19. | |
not going to prejudge or be tempted into prejudging. We are in the same | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
situation as we work during the election. I asked people like you | :19:25. | :19:30. | |
again and again, where of the 12 billion coming from, the answer was | :19:31. | :19:38. | |
none, now you are giving me the same answer. We will deliver on our | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
manifesto pledge, protecting the most vulnerable, but I cannot | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
prejudge the Autumn Statement. At the Treasury Select Committee, it | :19:48. | :19:57. | |
was said that the government will Mrs welfare cut by ?20 billion over | :19:58. | :20:00. | |
the course of this Parliament and the factors you can't cut social | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
security spending without hurting the most vulnerable. Social security | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
spending goes to people who are disabled and who are out of work and | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
to an low pay, so the reality is it is going to hurt poor people. One | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
thing worth noting through all of this, in the end, he might have had | :20:18. | :20:20. | |
to resign to do it, but Iain Duncan Smith's actions did get ministers to | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
commit to not raiding the welfare budget any further. If the 12 | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
billion a commitment or not? Much of the 12 billion cuts have actually | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
been agreed and legislated for and this is part of the legislation that | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
has gone through. Not all of it but the real question this week has been | :20:38. | :20:40. | |
about whether or not the DWP would be expected to cough up the ?4 | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
billion of savings. That is a no and it was a very nifty move by the new | :20:46. | :20:51. | |
Secretary of State for the Department for Work and Pensions. | :20:52. | :20:53. | |
It's not entirely clear whether or not the Chancellor wants to go that | :20:54. | :21:03. | |
far. Laura, thank you very much. When you are quoting these MPs, | :21:04. | :21:13. | |
you've got to be very careful. Ending violence against women has | :21:14. | :21:18. | |
been a priority but there is no strategy for tackling violence gets | :21:19. | :21:19. | |
men or boys. The former editor of Loaded magazine | :21:20. | :21:22. | |
Martin Daubney thinks something It's time to face up to an ugly | :21:23. | :21:39. | |
truth. It's not just men who can murder and violently attacked their | :21:40. | :21:42. | |
partners. This has recently been brought into grim focus with the | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
horrific murder of David Edwards, violently stabbed to death by his | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
wife just eight -- of just eight weeks, Sharon. Women murdering men | :21:52. | :21:57. | |
in Britain is still mercifully rare. Last year, 19 men died at the hands | :21:58. | :22:03. | |
of their partners or ex-partners, compare to 81 women. However, the | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
number of women convicted of domestic abuse as more than | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
quadrupled in the last ten years, to almost 5000 cases in 2014-15. | :22:13. | :22:21. | |
Indeed, according to the male domestic violence charity, for every | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
three people who suffer domestic abuse, two will be female and one | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
will be male, and the Office for National Statistics claims that half | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
a million men suffered Partner abuse in the last year. But the true | :22:37. | :22:43. | |
figure may be even higher. While more women suffer partner abuse than | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
men in Britain, it is estimated that 10% of men tell the police, as | :22:49. | :22:56. | |
opposed to 26% of women. Such statistics shatter the false | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
narratives that only women get battered, men are never victims and | :23:00. | :23:05. | |
women never attack. But while ending violence against women and girls is | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
rightly a governmental priority, there is no similar strategy to | :23:10. | :23:12. | |
tackle violence against men and boys. At least half a million | :23:13. | :23:19. | |
battered men and murdered men, and David Edwards, do they not matter | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
solely because they had the bad fortune to be born male? | :23:24. | :23:29. | |
Martin joins us now. Welcome to the Daily Politics for stock doesn't it | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
make more sense that more resources are being put towards, teen violence | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
against women when clearly the statistics show that more women are | :23:37. | :23:42. | |
victims? Absolutely and that is what is happening right now. Nicky Morgan | :23:43. | :23:45. | |
announced ?80 million of additional funds to combat violence against | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
women and girls, and it is amazing that that piece of strategy is one | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
of the best pieces of legislation in living memory. It is an awesome | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
piece of government and it just doesn't include men and boys. That's | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
the point of my film. It directly doesn't include men and boys because | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
it was formed to combat violence against women and girls. At the | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
moment these men don't have a voice or anywhere to go. There is | :24:09. | :24:11. | |
certainly not the funding to do this. The Mankind initiative needs | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
40 grand to give its phone lines open and it can't get the money. Why | :24:18. | :24:24. | |
doesn't it include that because the figures clearly show that men also | :24:25. | :24:27. | |
the victims of domestic partner abuse? The focus is clearly on the | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
larger side of this, women who suffer, but for men as well, we do | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
fundamental advice line and local authorities who bid to provide the | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
services can use the money for male support. Can you tell me how much of | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
that 80 million quid will be helping men? You said none of it so you | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
sounded like you knew. Do you know that none of it is going to men? May | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
be an official answer might be clearer because I've looked at the | :24:54. | :24:56. | |
legislation and I think it's nothing but I'd like to know if it's | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
nothing. The cool authorities this money. They will use the money and | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
it will be for them to look at what they need in the area, so they can | :25:06. | :25:08. | |
use it for support for men. Which means they could make the decision | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
not to use it to support men. The problem is that hostels for work and | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
children are closing. 34 have closed in the last few years. I'm the | :25:17. | :25:23. | |
patron of leads Women's Aid. Women are being turned away every day. | :25:24. | :25:30. | |
Local authorities have got a reducing budget and women's hostels | :25:31. | :25:36. | |
are closing. There are still 4000 refuge places to protect, rightly | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
so, abused women. There are 25 for men. But you would want to take away | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
the money and resources that go to women? Women's hostels are closing | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
so it is hard for councils to fund yours. You are trying to raise | :25:50. | :25:55. | |
awareness. Do you think that part of the problem is that men, certainly | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
historically and traditionally, still view it as a stigma to talk | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
about these issues in a way that means it's not cutting through? Of | :26:03. | :26:08. | |
course. Men talk about their feelings and it is viewed as them | :26:09. | :26:11. | |
being less of a man. But what I want to say is that strong men reach out | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
for help because you can't just die in silence. What I want to do is to | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
get the message across. Yesterday I found out that it is women calling | :26:22. | :26:24. | |
these helplines for men because the men still feel the stigma and the | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
shame. It is mothers, daughters, sisters, girlfriends, because the | :26:30. | :26:32. | |
men feel disenfranchised and is empowered but when you talk about | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
this issue on the streets... I'm here making a movie about domestic | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
violence against men and the women I told about it were laughing. It is | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
still seen as some sort of joke. It doesn't really exist and when it is, | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
we will sweep it under the carpet. It is like domestic violence against | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
women in the 1970s. It's like we are in a state of denial. It is time to | :26:54. | :26:57. | |
face up to it. Do you think you are the right person to be campaigning | :26:58. | :27:00. | |
on this? People might say, well, it's all right, you use to edit a | :27:01. | :27:08. | |
labs' Madoc -- a lads magazine. Do you think it will finally get to an | :27:09. | :27:17. | |
end but not through people like you? Anybody that has the voice is | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
somebody. It is easy to shoot the messenger. I want people to listen | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
to the message and Jamie Benn. Men listen to me because of my dubious | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
heritage. Young men, lads, listen to people like me, not politicians. If | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
they're told by men they kind of admire, or at least they listen to, | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
that it's OK to talk out, I don't care if I get the flak. I just want | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
these men to pick up the phone and get help. Rachel, do you think it is | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
an issue that needs to be addressed, as well as the issue about domestic | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
violence towards women? Absolutely. I pay tribute to you for speaking | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
out about these things because you are right that people use to brush | :27:57. | :27:59. | |
domestic violence against women under the carpet and just say, it's | :28:00. | :28:07. | |
just normal and acceptable... And he won't do it again? Or, if he's had a | :28:08. | :28:14. | |
difficult day at work or a few too many drinks but he loves you really. | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
We have to end it there. Thanks very much. Very interesting. | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
There's just time to put you out of your misery and give | :28:25. | :28:27. | |
The year was 2011. Rachel, press the buzzer, which matches your dress. | :28:28. | :28:39. | |
I notice you didn't try to pronounce that name! How is the wee bairns? | :28:40. | :28:50. | |
Nine months now. Doing well. BBC One carrying the news shortly. We will | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
be here on BBC Two again at the same time tomorrow. Until then, thanks | :28:56. | :28:57. | |
for watching and bye-bye. | :28:58. | :29:00. |