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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.


Thousands gathered in Parliament Square last night


in defiant support for him - but today, Labour MPs are voting


in a motion of no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn.


A vanquished Prime Minister returns to Brussels to tell fellow EU


leaders that the British people have rejected the deal they offered


to stay in the Union - what kind of deal will they offer


And who will be the next Prime Minister?


The runners and riders line up in the Conservative


And with us for the whole of the programme today,


is the former Newsnight and Channel Four News journalist -


now prominent Jeremy Corbyn supporter - Paul Mason.


An extraordinary day in the Commons yesterday.


A Prime Minister who had just lost a referendum


and announced his resignation, faced a Labour leader whose


shadow cabinet were resigning en masse,


saying they had lost confidence in his leadership.


And it was the first day in the Chamber for the newly


elected MP for Tooting, Rosena Allin-Khan.


Let's have a look at some of those exchanges.


With over 33 million people from England, Scotland, Wales, Northern


Ireland and Gibraltar, all having their say, we should be proud of our


parliamentary democracy. But it is right when we consider questions of


this magnitude, we don't just leave it to politicians but leave it


directly to the people. That is why members voted for a referendum by a


margin of almost six to one. Let me welcome the new member for Tooting


to her place. I would advise her to keep her mobile phone on, she might


be in the shadow cabinet by the end of the day! Mr Speaker, the British


people voted to leave the European Union. It was not the result I


wanted nor the outcome I believe was the best for the country I love, but


there can be no doubt about the result. I don't take back what I


said about the risks. It will be difficult. There will be adjustments


within our economy. Complex constitutional issues and


challenging new negotiation to undertake with Europe. But I am


clear, and the Cabinet agreed, that the decision must be accepted and


the process of implementing the decision in the best possible way


must now begin. Mr Speaker, tomorrow I will attend the European Council.


In the past few days I have spoken to Chancellor Merkel, President


Hollande and a number of other European leaders. We discussed the


need to prepare for the negotiations and the fact the British government


will not be triggering Article 50 at this stage. Before we do that, we


need to determine the kind of relationship we want with the EU.


That is something for the next Prime Minister and the Cabinet to decide.


As political leaders we have a duty to calm our language and our tone,


especially after the shocking events of ten days ago. Our country is


divided. And the country will thank me that the benches in front of me


nor those behind for indulging in internal factional manoeuvring at


this time. Some of the exchanges


in the Commons yesterday there. Now, Labour MPs are taking part


in a vote of no confidence Let's talk to our


correspondent, Iain Watson, What is happening? The ballots


opened about an hour ago. MPs are voting around the corner from here


but in an area closed to the public and the press. It will be a secret


ballot. That probably makes it even more likely the result will be an


overwhelming vote of no-confidence in Jeremy Corbyn. We had a guide to


that last night with a meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party. I


just ran into a veteran Labour MP this morning. He said he had been an


MP for 40 years and he had never been at a worse PLP. Alan Johnson


smacked into Jeremy Corbyn, saying he had to take responsibility for


the referendum. Yvette Cooper said his heart and soul was not in it.


Everyone said, you are a nice guy but you are not a leader. There was


a row outside of the Parliamentary Labour Party were John Woodcock got


stuck into some of Jeremy Corbyn's aids and said Jeremy Corbyn posed an


existential threat to the Labour Party itself. That is the atmosphere


against which the ballot is taking place. Even if they do vote


overwhelmingly against Jeremy Corbyn, that will not be enough to


force him from office. There needs to be a formal leadership challenge.


50 at -- 50 Labour MPs will have to unite around a candidate. Jeremy


Corbyn's people thought it might be quite difficult. As one of them


said, they all agree what they are against, can they agree on what they


are for? The status of the no-confidence motion does not


trigger the leadership ballot, but do you doubt there is going to be


some kind of leadership challenge? Will Jeremy Corbyn be automatically


on that ballot paper? Tom Watson told him yesterday he thought a


leadership contest was inevitable. The question is, will Tom Watson,


Dan Jarvis or Angela Eagle unite behind one candidate? I think in the


end they will. Certainly if this photo is overwhelmingly against


Jeremy Corbyn today. Then a formal leadership ballot would be


triggered. That goes to the members. Jeremy Corbyn is hopeful that those


rank-and-file members who joined to support him last year have not


drifted away. But I have seen some correspondence sent from local party


members to shadow cabinet members, who did support Jeremy Corbyn, and


they want him to go as well. Willie automatically be in the ballot?


There is conflicting legal advice. He will have to seek the support of


MPs. That will be a big hurdle. It may end up in the courts.


Joining us is Labour MP Andy Slaughter, who has also resigned.


Welcome. You resigned last night after being a supporter of Jeremy


Corbyn. What changed? I think the political climate has changed


immeasurably since Brexit last week. There is no leadership of the


country. A lame duck Prime Minister and the empty vessel of Boris


Johnson waiting in the wings. Being -- the economy is in a terrible


state. I had a racist attack on a Polish resident of my constituency


over the weekend. The country is crying out for leadership. The


opposition is just as important. We need to move on and have a leader


that can unite the party in the country. Why do you think he cannot


run night -- unite the party where's you did a week ago? He did get


overwhelming support from members. I have been happy to support his front


bench team and give him support over that period of time. But I think


that what happened in the Brexit campaign, and I think the response


from my colleagues, we will see in the vote tonight, people talk about


membership. Membership is absolutely important. But I consulted my


membership before taking this decision. Overwhelmingly the people,


elected councillors, officers etc, said, we need a new leader. The


majority of the front bench have asked Jeremy Corbyn to go. 46 MPs


have quit. The party is tearing itself apart. Jeremy Corbyn is still


clinging on. Surely has to go? He's clinging on because he has the


support of the overwhelming majority of members. You did not even consult


your CLP. You consulted the committee of your CLP. Friends and


colleagues. To me, one thing I agree with, this is a massive moment for


the country, and the duty of MPs should be to represent the country


and not the party. They should have woken up on Friday morning and asked


themselves, how do I get rid of Jeremy Corbyn? -- shouldn't have.


The Labour Party needs to be communicating through its members


and unions with our people to calm things down and give messages of


solidarity to the Polish community in your constituency. To the black


people and Muslims who have been racially abused. I thought Jeremy's


speech was brilliant in the Commons. Were you one of the people who


sniggered? Were you one of the people who sniggered behind him?


What difference would that make? Did you shout resign? What Paul Mason is


saying... Those questions do not deserve an answer. I have been


supportive of Jeremy. I said nothing at all. I made my own contribution


in the statement. No, I disapprove of any behaviour of that kind, of


course. I have huge respect for Jeremy. He has been a friend of mine


for 30 years. I agree with him on many have not most policy issues. So


don't make silly accusations like that. I asked your questions. That's


my question. People do not believe Jeremy Corbyn can win the election.


The Labour MPs who have resigned do not believe he can win the general


election. Hang on. My question is, if they don't believe he can win a


general election and we are still in a parliamentary democracy, and a


party has to be led by someone who can actually come and have the


authority and support of their MPs, it is over? I think Jeremy can win


the election. This is the reason why. The Blairite wing, which is yet


to show its hand... Let me finish. The Blairite wing is coordinating


this. They are raising money right now for a candidate. They believe


that Jeremy can win. They moved on Friday morning in a long planned


move because they believe... They thought they had a couple of years


to get rid of him. Then -- they now don't. It is logical to move against


him. There will be people in the centre-right of the party would be


like the tethered goat 's. You need to think about what you are doing.


This is blood-letting in the Labour Party. This is what is going to


happen. John McDonnell claimed there were 10,000 people in Parliament


Square. I thought there were about 5000. John McDonnell was


exaggerating, basically? By the time I was there it looked bigger. What


do you say to those people who did elect Jeremy Corbyn? What do you say


to them that you have always drawn your support? I have said already


that Jeremy did get a majority vote last year and I did not vote for


him. But I was absolutely prepared to give him a fair wind in relation


to this. I think that is what I have done. In 30 years, I am very


uncomfortable doing this. I have never talked publicly about the


internal affairs of the Labour Party. But I think this is a time of


national crisis. The government is giving no leadership at all. Cameron


has walked away. We have to be responsible. We are a major national


political party, the voice for poorer people in this country. We


have to be giving leadership. That undermines your claim this is an --


a Blairite orchestrated campaign. Andy Slaughter is not of that wing.


Scores of MPs have withdrawn their support. There were claims that


night -- last night that a lot of the banners at the rally were


Socialist workers party banners. They were not Labour Party members.


I think they were in the few hundreds. I don't think all of them


were there. I made a pub full of Aslef train drivers. What people


have to remember is that the Labour movement has massive social capital


in this country. And Aslef train driver can bring ten, 15, 20 other


people from a working-class community. That same kind of person


can walk into a pub or club in one of these Ukip supporting places and


face up to racism and bigotry. Our movement is full of people who can


actually command the respect of and have a dialogue with the British


people at this point. There is no candidate. If there was a candidate


would that make it more viable? On the Labour leadership was there has


to be a candidate. Who is that candidate going to be to We will


find out after the ballot. There are a number of people in the PLP would


make a very good Prime Minister. I'm going to wait and see who the


runners and riders are. So anybody except Jeremy? It is not a case of


anybody but Jeremy Corbyn in terms of Andy Slaughter, because he


supported him. There is a sense of betrayal by Jeremy Corbyn in the


referendum campaign, that he was a reluctant Remainer, that perhaps he


did not even vote to remain. Do you accept that? People like Alan


Johnson have said very strongly... He ran the Labour campaign. He said


he did not have the support. Our ability to keep people was


sabotaged. The Remain and reform, I would have said revolt, against


Europe, that argument, I think, kept several percentage points of Labour


people from going over to the other side. We don't know how visceral and


the and this Leave thing was. It was not all that bunch of racists. It


was not all a bunch of Ukip members. Many of our own people did. We did


keep some people to vote Remain. Through gritted teeth. Do you think


that would be a sense of betrayal? Would those MPs be justified who


felt they lost the referendum because nobody knew the Labour


message? Does not about that. Alistair Darling stood up with


Osborne and threatened a punitive budget on Britain. Osborne resile


from it yesterday. How does Jeremy Corbyn feel, having said this was


the wrong thing to do? I think he is vindicated.


The joke's doing the rounds this morning that if we're looking


for a man to take us out of Europe, then former England manager


But do our political leaders have any idea what the UK's exit


This morning, in response to the result of last week's


referendum, the European Parliament is meeting for an emergency sitting


MEPs will vote on a non-binding motion, setting out the Parliament's


position on how things should proceed from here.


EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker and council representatives


And it's expected the Parliament will urge the UK to invoke


Article 50 immediately, to avoid "damaging uncertainty".


That sets the clock ticking, giving the UK two years


Then later this evening, the European Council will hold


a regularly scheduled meeting of all 28 leaders -


no doubt, now to be dominated by the UK's decision to leave.


But tomorrow, David Cameron will find himself left out in the cold,


when the remaining leaders meet informally to discuss what to do


Speaking in the European Parliament this morning, the President


of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker,


urged the UK "clarify its position on Brexit as soon as possible".


He also has some stern words for Ukip MEPs, after he was


We must respect British democracy, and the way it has voiced its view.


That is the last time you are applauding here.


And to some extent, I am really surprised that you are here.


You were fighting for the exit, the British people voted


Well, earlier I spoke to the German Chrisitan Democrat


I asked what should happen now many 2 British negotiations.


If it is today or tomorrow, that is not the question,


but if it lasts very long, I think that a lot of member states


are fed up with this kind of cherry picking,


They want that the Government decides, they want the British


Government is deciding in the next days or weeks, but not trying


to delay the decision and to try negotiating in back rooms,


There aren't no better conditions, the conditions are clear,


and if Great Britain wants to leave, and we respect the referendum


here in the European Parliament, it is a democratic decision,


but the British Government has to decide about Article 50.


So there could be a situation where Great Britain in negotiations


could ask to have access to that single market,


despite what was said in the campaign, and unlike Norway


and Switzerland, avoid freedom of movement?


I am absolutely sure that there is no cherry picking possible.


So here in the Parliament, it was very, very clear


that the Parliament is fed up with this kind of cherry picking.


We would like to have the advantages but no disadvantages.


We would like to have the rights but no obligations.


We would like to have the money, but no payments.


So this is not possible, so if Great Britain wants to have


something of the European Union, then they have to give something.


So the normal rules in the European Union,


but to try always to have something special for Great Britain,


Great Britain is a member of European Union or leaves


the European Union, and if Great Britain wants something


of the European Union, then they have to give


And the Conservative MP and former Cabinet Minister, Owen Paterson,


who campaigned for Leave joins us now.


Welcome to the daily politics, no cherry picking you can't have your


cake and eat it. No special treatment, Britain or the Leave


campaign humiliated people from other member states during the


referendum campaign, you are not going to get the deal you want. Well


I think everybody has to understand that Leave means Leave. We have this


massive vote, the biggest majority anybody has had in British history


so 1.3 million have voted to Leave. That means we will leave the


political arrangements and we made it clear throughout, all the


referendum campaign, we want to have a new relationship based on trade


and co-ofration, they have our neighbours have a massive surplus


with us, that I have a huge interest in coming to a deal, we have had the


head of the German CBI says he doesn't want arrangements that


affect the German car industry, there are one million Germans...


There will be no special treatment. Do you now accept, now that Britain


has voted to leave and we had discussions before the actual poll


if wow want access to single market as part of the trade deal you want


to make, you will have to accept some form of freedom of movement?


No, I don't accept that. You don't? Everybody we have spoken to has said


you will not get that deal. You must have freedom of market. The CSU was


wrong when she talked about members of the EEA, there is art 1.1.2 which


allows members to restrict... They don't want to give it to you.


Liechtenstein they respected the fact they couldn't have an unlimited


influx and they got an arrangement. They are not going to do that for


Britain? Why not. We are the fifth economy in the world. We are a huge


player, they have to respect a massive vote by the British people.


We said there would be a British option. Right. Do you agree or is


Monica right? One of the reasons this little difficulty in the Labour


Party is so frustrating this is what British politicians should be


discussing right now. I think in order to calm the market, most


people don't realise what the danger is, we should be put fog bar ward,


any of the Tory candidates should be committed to a request. You are


right, that under the EEA, there is an emergency break procedure for...


The European economic area, of which Norway and Switzerland are a part,


because they are two of the country. It would signal we want to remain


part of the single parenting and we are prepared toing inniate on how we


apply free movement. That could be a cross-party position, it could calm


the market, I wish the Labour Party was in a position to discuss it. You


are though, you should do it. Are you in a position? Who is in charge?


Well the Prime Minister is in charge. He is resigning. He said he


won't do anything with the negotiations. You are right. The


there is cross-party agreement on this. I talked to a senior MP. Who


is in charge, answer my question, at the moment? The Prime Minister said


he is resigned. We will have a new Tory Prime Minister soon. There is


no-one in charge at the moment. Oliver Letwin is doing the


preparations. There won't be a White Paper. This is in flux. There is a


flux period. I talked to a senior Labour MP who was a strong supporter


of Leave. He had good ideas last night on immigration. Which I


thought was good, there are sensible people in the Labour Party working


on this. We know huge votes in Hartlepool, 71%, Birmingham, we know


and I had people covered in builders dust outside the polling stations


who are absolutely understand the need for managed immigration, but


they understand we cannot go on building one house every six


minutes. You wouldn't give up on managed migration to get a


favourable trade deal No. Dan Hannan said that he would, and he thinks


that is is what will happen I think he has been misinterpreted. He said


clearly, I am saying what he said. Zero immigration, it is not going to


happen. No-one has ever talked about zero immigration, that is childish.


Some people think it is going to start now and migrants are going


home. Talked about this when I was talking to farmer, I said we need to


have managed immigration for the skilled people who used to come in


to pick fruit and vegetables because they are skilled and good at it. We


need skilled eye surgeons to come in and proper managed immigration,


nobody has said we will stop it. Tens of thousands. Migrants play a


key role in the economy. OK, but let. Hang on, the point as everyone


has, is beginning to dawn on them, the success of the referendum we had


a civilised debate although some of the stupid incidents attacking Poles


are totally unacceptable. Is that not what has happened as a result.


Happening on. I want to finish the point. Finish the point The


projectionions are we will have a population by 71 million. That means


a new house every six minute, that is not realistic. Let us go on do


your point you raised the point of racist incidents when you accuse


Project Fear, Project Fear about the pound slumping about credit rating


agencies downgrading Britain, pension annuity rates are down.


Infrastructure projects are put on hold and there have been reports of


racist incidents, was that your plan? No, was it the BBC's plan to


overhype the hysteria on this? Hang on, hang on. I am asking you a


legitimate question about where we are now, I am asking you was that


your plan? It wasn't Project Fear, it has come true? Of course it


wasn't. You have moved into project hysteria, with we know major players


in the city took a huge punt on Remain and they got it wrong. Now we


are seeing the bank shares coming up, the FTSE come up, the pound come


up, and all this is being massive, it is irresponsible. One point we


should make to Jean-Claude Juncker, is while we are here, and until the


treaty is changed, nothing has changed in law, we are full


participant, all the rules of, all the treaties remain intact. Owen


said we are in a state of flux. Not economy economically. At the moment


few you look a the indicator, is it project hysteria or is it coming


true? The The short-term hit on Friday was short-term. There more


people think we are going to join the EA, the long-term issue is this,


serious economists are saying we will lose the capacity to grow. One


part of our capacity to grow was to import people from east Europe. That


is part of George Osborne's growth plan, beyond that, if car company,


finance companies move, that debt will be member youred against a


smaller economy, and then we are in quite big trouble. We will have to


move on. We only have half an hour. Stay with us, because we should have


a new Conservative leader by the begin of September. That is the


timetable that has been proposed by the 1922 Committee. Nominations will


close on Thursday so who will roll up their sleeves and walk through


the door? Boris Johnson is the obvious


candidate, but there are a number Jeremy Hunt is on manoeuvres -


he's written an article in the Telegraph calling


for a second referendum once Britain has negotiated its withdrawal


from the EU. Work and Pensions Secretary Stephen


Crabb is understood to be teaming up with Business Secretary Sajid Javid


for a joint campaign, and it's being reported in the press


this morning that Theresa May is emerging as a


potential favourite. Others who could throw their hat


into the ring include Liam Fox, Nicky Morgan, Andrea Leadsom


and Dominic Raab, although one person who's definitely ruled


himself out is the one time He's written in the Times this


morning that he believes he is "not the person to provide


the unity my party needs". Who will roll up their sleeves and


walk through the door? Who is your favourite? Let us see who puts hair


hat in the ring tomorrow. I will support someone who has committed


themselves to leave the European Union. Liam Fox, Boris Johnson? It


has to be, we have to have the country led by someone with a clear


commitment to leave the political arrangement of the European Union,


and set up a new relationship based on trade and cooperation. Even those


who campaigned for Remain will respect the will of the British


people They will be harpooned by the fact they voted to Remain We have to


have someone with a clear commitment to leave the European Union. If we


don't, the whole political class is discredited. Yes or no Boris


Johnson. Aagree. We are out of time. Thank you to you, bye.


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