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Good morning, and welcome to the Daily Politics.


Things continue to move at a breakneck speed


here at Westminster, with the future direction of both


the Conservatives and Labour in doubt.


And there's still the little matter of Britain's exit from


David Cameron has said farewell to his last ever EU summit,


and he warned his former fellow leaders they can't shy away


Jeremy Corbyn has lost the confidence of eight


out of ten Labour Mps, and has been hit by as many


as 60 resignations from his frontbench team.


He looks set to face a leadership challenge,


but Mr Corbyn says he won't "betray" his supporters by resigning.


You might not have heard of him, but Stephen Crabb becomes the first


Conservative MP to announce he's standing to lead the party


and become Prime Minister, he's promising to champion


With one leader definitely on the way out, and the other


increasingly isolated in Parliament, Prime Minister's Questions


could be a dramatic moment - or just a very strange one.


Either way you won't want to miss it, live from midday.


All that in the next hour and a half, and with us


for the whole of the programme today we're joined by Labour's


Emily Thornberry, and the Conservative David Davis.


At the time of writing this script, Emily was


the Shadow Foreign Secretary, and David hadn't announced he wants


Has anything changed in the last five minutes we should know about?


No, still in the job? No that I'm aware of. It could all change. It is


First today, let's talk about David Cameron,


who said au revoir to his last ever EU summit in Brussels last night.


The remaining 27 countries will continue meeting today,


but without the British Prime Minister for the first


Mr Cameron looked rather emotional in his parting press conference,


and he made it clear that he laid much of the blame for his failure


to win the referendum on the Eu's refusal to do much about migration.


I think people recognise the strength of the economic case for


staying, but there was a very great concern about the movement of


people, and immigration, and I think that is coupled with a concern about


the issues of sovereignty and ability to control these things, and


I think you know, we need to, we need to think about that, Europe


needs to think about that, and I think that is going to be one of the


major tasks for the next Prime Minister.


So Dave if it is about immigration, do you agree with that? It is not


all about immigration. But it was the single biggest issue. What was


the biggest? The big South West to control the country, if you look at


the poll analysis, that is what came first, but the second biggest issue


was immigration an certainly I think, in the northern working class


seat, the surprise of the night, it absolutely the issue, in my own part


of the world my local builder not had a pay increase for ten year. So


it follows therefore, that as we leave the EU, your side of the


argument will have to do something quite concrete and substantial about


immigration, all those who voted for your side will be deeply


disappointed. No doubt about that, we have to bring it under national


control and control it properly down to a viable level, really. One that


suits the overall economic and social interest of the country Is it


possible to give us an idea of what a viable level would be? It is


currently net total migrant last year was running about 330,000. A


lot less, probably 100,000 net. So you would have to splash slash


non-EU migration Both would have to come down. The point I am going to


make, is we talk about points system, the point about the points


system is that you decide each year what your Labour shortages are, what


your housing circumstances are, and make a decision each year-by-year.


So as a Conservative who believes in the free market you are advocating


manpower planning It is not manpower planning. It is. You will have to


guess at what the economy needs That is what the Australians do, that I


have a Conservative Government for long time and instituted just such a


system. You are slashing by over a third. They haven't had a


Conservative Government for a long time They did when they put the


points system in. When I was Shadow Home Secretary, it was 46, 60,000 a


year, we weren't suffer, we had great growth numbers, it happened to


be 3% GDP per capita so everybody was gaining from it. That went from


those numbers to ten times that, and stayed there for a decade. OK. All


unplanned. Labour will have to device a policy on ill integration,


now we are in a position to control non-EU migration and EU migration


when Brexit happens, you need a policy on immigration. Well, we


always had a policy on immigration but we immediate to listen carefully


to what the voters were saying about that. What was that policy? I think,


what was the policy? Well, the policy was that the, as to non-EU


migration people could come here if they were claiming asylum, if they


wanted to have family reunion. That is a legal obligation. Going through


them, family reunion and certain people could come here from round


the world if they had the skills necessary, and in relation to...


Show You didn't need one with the EU because it was free movement. So


what would is it possible at the moment to give us an idea of the


outline of the Labour immigration policy? No, not at the moment. It is


too early? Too early. I can tell people that know, we have been


listening to what the public have been saying. Labour politicians have


been telling me that for years you have been listen, people want to


know. I understand that, I think the plates have moved and I think we


need to as a matter of urgency address this. I was Shadow Home


Secretary when this big changed happened and it was plain it wasn't


deliberate. That was the year, those were the years in which David


Blunkett was saying we will get 13,000 people in from eastern


Europe, when the AA came in. I kept pressing him on it. He said the Home


Office view, not his, it was a mistake, and that, unfortunately


that mistake ran on, Can I clarify an issue with both of you. You have


been a minute stir, you have a legal background. Mr Juncker saying if the


Tories choose a Remain Prime Minister they will have two weeks to


invoke Article 50. Can we clarify it is not up to Jean-Claude Juncker.


None of his business. It's the call of the country involved. There is an


expulsion clause, it is not Article 50. I think it is article 7. That is


if we become a fascist state or something like that. It is not


relevant. Once the clock run there's is a two-year timetable but do you


agree with that, it is not up to Jean-Claude Juncker to decide. I


think more importantly it speaks of the anger that is felt in Europe.


You have to remember, what did Gove Gove say during the election? He


said he hoped that we would vote for Brexit and there could be a


contagion across Europe and the European countries would liberate


themselveses from Europe. You can imagine if a Brexiteer remain leader


of the country, there is not going to be... He can't tell us to... What


is Labour's position, when do you think Article 50 should be


triggered? I think that we should not personally, and again, we, this


is, this is very very early day, but I personally think that we should


consider, I don't think we should have Article 50 implemented until we


have a new Prime Minister, and I think that we should have a general


election. You think there should be a general election. I think there


should. All right. You wouldn't trigger Article 50 until after that.


The public need to have an opportunity to consider this. I


think it will play out and people will realise they were... I think


that people will realise they were lied to during this campaign, and it


will give them a chance to see the truth of what it really means to be


in Europe. People are angry at the Commission, the bureaucracy, not the


countries, the behaviour of Merkel and other countries and the Swedes,


it is very different. They are starting to be conciliatory. There


is an east European head of steam getting up to get rid of Jean-Claude


Juncker. We need to move on, do you think there should be an election


after the Conservatives have chosen a new leader? I don't because this


is a direct outcome of one of our manifesto proposals which was to


have the referendum. All right. So, on the one hand things look


pretty bleak for Labour He's lost the confidence


of the majority of his parliamentary party, and been hit by so many


resignations it's not clear that he can even come close


to filling all the vacancies Some may have to multi task. Do job


share. Pat Glass who was made Shadow Education Secretary on Monday, today


is Wednesday, she has said she is resigning after less than three


days. That is probably a record. But on the other hand,


the barriers for his opponents to challenge him are high,


and as best we can tell he retains the support of a large part


of the party in the country. These are difficult times


for the Labour leader, yesterday only 40 MPs supported him


in a vote of no confidence compared The vote has no constitutional


legitimacy, so what happens now? If an MP wants to initiate


a leadership challenge they need The vote has no constitutional


legitimacy, so what happens now? If an MP wants to initiate


a leadership challenge they need to get the backing of 20%


of MPs and MEPs. If this happens a leadership contest


is triggered with Labour Party members, affiliated trade union


supporters and registered The big question remains over


whether Jeremy Corbyn would automatically get


onto the ballot or whether he'd need If he did make it any contender


would have a difficult job. Over a quarter of one million people


voted for Mr Corbyn in the last Labour leadership election which


amounts to nearly 60% of the vote. Our political correspondent,


Iain Watson, can update Yet again, there is another


resignation, perhaps two, where do we stand at this point in terms of a


leadership contest? Think there is going to be one, the question is who


sit going to be. You mentioned it briefly but this is what Pat glass


is saying, with a heavy heart I am resigning at Shadow Secretary of


State for Education, it was my dream job but the situation is untenable.


Because that situation is untenable, that is why we are likely to see a


leadership contest. It is probably worth asking Emily Thornberry


whether she is still in place at the moment. The question is who is going


to challenge him? To trigger the leadership challenge you need the


support of 51 MPs. It is very very likely that Angela Eagle has got 51


fellow MPs ready to back her. The question is what does the Deputy


Leader Tom Watson do? Last night the view was it was best not to rush


into the immediate challenge to Jeremy Corbyn, to try as one person


said let him stew in his own juice, go to Prime Minister's Questions,


underline the scale of opposition from behind him on his benches. Make


him feel uncomfortable. If he throws in the towel Tom Watson takes over


as interim leader and he can have an open leadership contest, as it were


in his own time. If Jeremy Corbyn digs in his heels, then it needs a


challenge and the question then is whether Angela Eagle is that


challenger or whether Tom Watson who is reluctant do this, then becomes


willing to take Jeremy Corbyn on head on, which might mean of course


giving up his position as Deputy Leader. One other thing to think


about, is if there is a vacancy, normally you only need 38 to back


them. If Jeremy Corbyn slung in the towel as it were an restood he would


have to overcome a smaller threshold in the 51 votes you were talking


about. It will be very strange in PMQs on that side of the House.


Emily Thornberry isn't Mr Corbyn a captain without a crew? I don't


think, so if the Labour Party is a third of a million people strong,


you know, we are our Members of Parliament, members of the European


Parliament, we are councillor, activists. He doesn't have a crew in


the common, he can't fill the Shadow Cabinet position, it is not the


party in the country that is the opposition it is the political party


and he can't fill the positions. Think our democracy works, on lots


of different levels. We have to remember he was elected less than a


year ago on a 60% of the mandate. We are a democracy. I understand that,


but even so, how can he function now, and if he cannot fill a Shadow


Cabinet, or the posts that go with it? Well, he has made it clear he is


is not going anywhere, that if anybody wants to challenge them,


they should... I didn't ask about that, he still has six vacancies and


another 40 posts that follow, how does he do that? We will have to see


how it works out, but I think people need to be clear his view is, is


that he is going to stay. As say, we will maybe come on to that, who is


your shadow Foreign Office team. ? I have Fabian Hamilton, who is doing


Europe, and Catherine West on another junior minister. And has


everyone else had their teams appointed yet? I don't know. It has


been a chaotic couple of days. I couldn't be naming everybody's teams


today. Does this amount to a coup? I think this is something people have


been thinking about for some time. Who? I don't know. So it is a coup?


Well, it's certainly a challenge. The question is, what is Jeremy


going to do about it? Know, the question is, is this a coup, and if


so, who is behind it? The symptoms of a coup are evidence of prior


organisation. It was clearly organised to come about after the


referendum. There is going to be a challenge now from your


Parliamentary colleagues for the leadership. If there is, is it your


view that Mr Corbyn will automatically be on the alert paper


as the incumbent? In the end, I am a lawyer. I have obviously looked at


the rules! That is why I am asking. Your free legal advice is that of


course he will be on the ballot. The rules talk about challenge owners


and vacancies, and Jeremy is an incumbent and neither of those two


things will apply to him, so he will be on the ballot. I haven't seen the


other legal advice. I have seen the legal advice that was talked about


on some of the other news channels. And I have seen the rules myself. I


would be interested to see how it is put together. Did you think you


would ever see a time when 80% of the Parliamentary Labour Party would


have no confidence in its leader, and that the Scottish nationalism


would be vying to become the official opposition? Is this not a


measure of the depths to which your party has now sunk? I think we are


going through a very tough time, no doubt about it. And it is a huge


shame. My view is that the Labour Party should be focusing on the


country and the crisis we are having as a result of the Brexit vote. Why


have you not resigned? Because I think there needs to be a voice of


calm. We need cool head at this time and frankly, there needs to be


somebody within the opposition taking the role of pulling together


what Labour's position will be on the Brexit vote. If it is a battle


between Jeremy Corbyn and Angela Eagle for the Labour leadership, who


will you support? Firstly, I would support Jeremy, and secondly, I


don't think it will be just those two standing. You would continue to


support Jeremy Corbyn even in a leadership challenge? Jeremy has


been elected by 60% of the membership, and he still has that


democratic mandate. Why do so many of his parliamentary colleagues


think he is just not up to the job? What is interesting is that this is


all about personal criticism. It is verging on personal abuse. 80% of


the PLP, they say he is a nice guy, but they don't think he is up to the


job and they don't think with him as leader, you can win in 2020. What


was interesting at the Parliamentary Labour Party meeting on Monday was


that all the criticism was about personality. There was not one


criticism of him in relation to policy. In terms of where the party


is going. None of it was criticisms of what he stands for politically.


That is a hell of an achievement, to move the party in the last year to


where it is, putting the importance of fighting austerity on the map. We


don't know what that means, fighting austerity. There is no policy for


that. We don't know what the size of the Budget deficit would be, we


don't know the tax and spend policies, it is just rhetoric. It is


not rhetoric, it is about investing in our country to grow the economy.


I think it is completely opposite to what the Tories stand for. The idea


that we might be heading for a session, and the only -- we might be


heading for a recession and the only economist in the world who thinks


the way you get out of a recession is to cut back on the money supply


even more is George Osborne. He is not saying he would cut back on the


money supply. The austerity Budget is fiscal positioning. If we do know


Labour's position, the current budget deficit is 80 billion. How


big a deficit would you be prepared to run? We would need to look at the


books when we came into power, and we would need to make sure we were


investing. Investing means borrowing. It is also about the


extent of need. Who knows how big the recession may be when we do get


into power? We will have to make a judgment at that point. But the


responsible thing to do is for a government to spend money at a time


of recession. Is 80 billion too bigger deficit, eight years after


the crash? The economy is going. At the moment. The pound is crashing.


The pound was rising this morning. Then I am glad to hear it. How


loaded we get before it starts to rise again? Why are you glad to hear


it? Of course I am glad. It could be good for exports. Not to have the


pound this low. But it has risen from a very low point, and the worry


is, where are we going? Where are we going? I will tell you


where we are going! Follow me. So we don't know if this summer will


see a Labour leadership contest, but we know for certain


the Conservatives will be choosing The pundits' favourites are either


Boris Johnson or Theresa May, but at least in the opening stages


the party should have a wider field This morning, Work and Pensions


Secretary Stephen Crabb announced I was brought up to understand


that nothing gets handed On the rainy rugby fields


of West Wales, I learned that it's not a question of waiting


for the ball to pop out If you want it, you do what's


required So, Stephen Crabb, the worst kept


secret in Westminster for the last 24 hours, has announced he is going


to run. But Boris Johnson is the favourite. Is he the best man for


the job? I think he is. I am going to be supporting him. The biggest


issue in front of us for the next several years will be managing


Brexit, bringing about the improvement in our trade position,


the control of our borders. But needs vision, optimism, energy,


drive. Boris has those. Is he a man of integrity that people will trust?


On those issues, yes. It has to go before MPs first. Oh, yes. I don't


do the numbers. I am not on Boris' team. Wood July to be? Not


particularly, I am just supporting him. I don't know the numbers, but I


would be amazed if he is not already passing 100. Theresa May, and


admittedly this is just anecdotal, but she is looking popular. On some


of the betting sheets, she is pulling ahead of Iris Johnson now


that the role is coming up. It is a bit early to make those judgments --


she's pulling ahead of Boris Johnson. But the favourite never


win. That is the old argument. These rules of thumb are always good until


they are not. There is no doubt that Theresa May will get a lot of


Parliamentary support. She is the primary Remain candidates. I think


it will be Theresa versus Boris, and we will have a serious argument


about what the country should look like in a few years. I think Boris


has the energy, drive, vision, optimism. If optimism is a force


multiplier, Boris is a force multiplier. You came out very


strongly about the importance of immigration and the importance of


being able to control our borders and cut back immigration to tens of


thousands, and yet the statement Boris has come out with is that we


should be in the free market and that the referendum was never about


immigration. That is not quite what he said. He clarified this morning.


With respect, this is going to be a two and a half year process. All the


things the Leave and Remain sides said before going to be proved


wrong. I am not sure, but I am pretty confident that we are going


to see a significant sea change in the attitude of Europe to migration


in the next couple of years. That was presaged by David Cameron. Are


you sure Boris Johnson is committed to some of the things he said about


immigration before? The only question I asked him was that. He


said, I am absolutely committed to proper control of immigration by us.


You said is no snap election, and sources close to Boris Johnson are


saying they would not favour a snap election. Why not? Because this is


the direct outcome of a manifesto proposal, namely the referendum. I


don't think that frankly, a year in... A year in, David Cameron won


with a majority. If I was making a tactical judgment given the state of


the Labour Party at the moment, I would say to have a snap election,


but there was no constitutional need for it. What will we do if there is


no election? Producing more history than we can consume at the moment. I


agree with that. I suspect in the weeks ahead, there will be ups and


downs with the currency. There have been some glum faces about this


week, George Osborne, Roy Hodgson, Jean-Claude Juncker. We thought we


probably would not see anyone any more glum, until we saw the pictures


of the first meeting of Jeremy Corbyn's new look, slimmed down


Shadow Cabinet. Technically known as having a face like a wet weekend.


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Because I said so. It's coming up to midday here -


there's Big Ben - Yes, Prime Minister's Questions


is on its way. It is going to be, well, different


from any others we have covered the past 30 years.


Laura Kuenssberg is here to tell us more.


Since this is a moving story, tell us the latest. In the last 15


minutes, I have spoken to Harriet Harman, the former deputy leader and


former acting leader. And after decades of not really speaking about


about leadership because she has always taken a leadership is


assumed, she has just told me that Jeremy Corbyn has to go. She urges


him to go. Chirac said that he was elected with a large majority -- she


accepts that he was elected with a majority of the leadership, but he


has failed in her view to lead, and therefore that mandate does not


apply. She is obviously very upset by the situation, and she warns that


if he stays on, he risks the party completely collapsing around him.


That was in the last few minutes. There is also a letter from 77


Labour councillors that has just been published, saying it is time


for him to go. Huge pressure piling on him, but his supporters still say


the mandate he got from last year allows him to stay. Are you


surprised Harriet Harman has said this, Emily Thornberry? No. I have


had conversations with Harriet. It has been simmering for a while.


Yeah. Let's goes Thank you. I know the House will


enjoy me in condemning the terrorist attacks in Turkey last night. Our


thoughts and prayers are with those who were killed and those who were


injured. There are no reports of any UK casualties but the Foreign Office


are working with the authorities to establish the full facts. I spoke to


the President this morning to express the UK's condolence,


detailseses are still emerging but we stand as one in our defiance


against these barbaric act, this week marks the sensory of the battle


of the Somme there will be a two minute silence on Friday morning. I


will attend a service at the memorial near the battlefield and it


is right the country pauses to remember the sacrifices of those who


lost their lives. This morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues


and I shall have further such meetings later today.


Can I associate myself with the Prime Minister's remarks of


condolence to those who have been affected by this dreadful attack in


Istanbul. Can I offer him my personal best wishes to himself and


his family for life after Downing Street. He has served his country


but he has not done it alone, it is right we should acknowledge the


support he has had as we all have, from our families and public


service, before he goes, though, will he... Will he attend to one


matter, that when he was in opposition he described as doing


enormous moral damage to the moral authority of our country and that is


the involvement of our security services in rendition. Now that the


CPS have decided they are not going to prosecute Sir Mark Allen for what


he did, will he reinstitute, reconstitute the Gibson inquiry to,


so we can know what was done in our name and on whose authority. Can I


thank the right honourable gentleman for his generous remarks, and and I


am proud to have served this country and for the first Prime Minister to


get to Shetland and Orkney to look into his constituency. He raises an


important point about the Libya rendition issue, the Government


co-operated fully with the police investigation into these case, the


CPS set out their position concludes there was insufficient evidence to


prosecute. I would say and I can say it now, I think there are few


countries in the world that would have an such and independent an


thorough investigation into an issue like this, I think the right


approach, as Sir Peter Gibson finished the report is the ISC has


agreed to look at the issues raised in the report and I think they


should continue to do so. Thank you Mr Speaker.


As my right honourable friend has said and put current events in


perspective, at 7.30 this Friday we will start the process of


commemorating the 100th anniversary of the Battle of the Somme. Will he


join me in thanking those involved in organising the forget never


project who have done so much to ensure young people will learn the


lessons of the past and forgetting our current challenges will he join


me in encouraging everyone to remember, Sam Lieutenant and


commemorate those who made the ultimate sacrifice. I join him in


commending all those organise nighing these events particularly


that in his constituency. I think it is important not only because this


appalling slaughter, 57,000 people killed or wounded on the first day


of this battle, but also because so many people are learning so much


about their own families involvement, and I would say in many


ways there is a link between the current events with are discussing


and what happened 100 years ago, is the importance of keeping peace and


stability on our continent. It was noticeable at last night's European


Union dinner that the French President mentioned the Somme


commemorations and how proud he was we would be standing together and


remembering the sacrifices all those years ago. . Thank you Mr Speaker. I


would like to echo the words of the Prime Minister concerning the 36 who


died and the 100 injured in the vile terrorist attack in Turkey, I am


sure our consular services will be doing everything they can to assist


those that have been affected. I would like to thank him for


referring to the memorial for the some on Friday and I look forward to


being with him there at the memorial service of those who died in that


battle. I think it would be appropriate if we paid tribute to


Lord Patrick Mayhew who died last weekend. As Northern Ireland


Secretary, he was the driving force behind the Downing Street


declaration in 19th 3, that dead lead to the first ceasefire, and I


think the relative peace we have now is in part thanks to him and of


course his successor Mo Mowlam lamb for all she achieved. What people


are worried about is the extra insecurity to their living


standards, jobs, wages and pensions following the referendum. In recent


days we have heard words about the future of some of the major


companies in Britain like see mans which has been here for a long time.


What meetings has the Chancellor had with major companies to stabilise


the situation? First of all, he is right to mention Patrick Mayhew, he


did play a huge role in the delivery of the peace process, he was also a


brilliant touring and someone who exuded a belief in public service


and the national interest and was a kind and goodly man, and I was very


sad to hear of his pass, I sent a message to him via his wife shortly


before he died, and I know there are many people this this House who want


to send their good wishes to his family. The Leader of the Opposition


asks what conversations we are having with business and what


preparations with are making to deal with the economic challenges we


make, we are in a strong position to meet his challenges, because we have


paid down so much of our deficit. We have had strong growth and job


creation but I don't belittle the consequences will be difficult.


There are going to be some very choppy waters ahead, I don't resile


from any of the warnings I made during the campaign, but we have to


pined the best way through this, one of the things we must do is talk


with businesses and reassure them about the stability there is today


and the strength of the British economy, the Business Secretary has


met with a range of businesses already. Tomorrow I have the meeting


of my business advisory group and I am inviting other companies to that,


including see mans who play a huge role in the British economy, what we


need to talk about the the reassurances about stability we can


give now, the fact our circumstances don't change until we leave the


European Union, and then, I want to hear from them, as we draw up the


possible blueprinters for Britain's future about what they think would


be the right answer. Thank you Mr Speaker, the credit rating agencies


have cut the UK credit rating to AA from AA plus, the Chancellor pledged


to keep a triple-A rating. What estimate has the Government made of


the cost to the Exchequer of this downgrade, in terms of borrowing


costs, and, of the risks to pension fund Well, the Leader of the


Opposition is right that the credit ratings by one agency has been taken


down by several points and another has put it on watch, the answer to


his question is the cost to the Exchequer and the taxpayer will


depend on what happened to the interest rates in the market at


which Britain can borrow, and he is right to draw attention to that,


look, as I said, head of the ECB confirmed this, all of the warnings


was if we voted to leave the EU, there would be difficulties in terms


of our own economy, and growth rates, and instability in markets,


we are seeing those thing, we are well prepared in term of the


reaction the Bank of England and the Treasury but there is no doubt in my


mind, these are going to be difficult economic times we must


make sure we maintain our strong economy so we can cope this them. We


shouldn't belittle the channels, they will be difficult and we will


have to meet them. Thank you Mr Speaker. Everyone across the House


should be concerned that the indications from business and


investors are the UK is less attractive, thus putting current and


future jobs at risk, in the circumstances will the Prime


Minister consider suspending the Chancellor's fiscal rule which is in


effect preventing investment from taking place? I don't believe that


would be the right approach. I think, look, what business needs to


hear, what consumers and investors and people concerned about our


economy want to hear, is that we have taken huge steps over the last


six years to get the deficit down, to make the British economy more


attractive, to make it an attractive destination for investment. They


want it to continue. Of course if we see economic difficulty, one of the


ways we have to react to that is to make sure that our public finances,


and our economy remain strong. We shouldn't have taken all the steps


of the last six years to get the deficit down, in order to see us get


on to a more difficult path. I don't think it would be right to suspend


fiscal rule, as I say, there are three phases to this, the first is


the volatility we see, which the Bank of England and the Treasury


must cope with, the second is the uncertainty about Britain's future


status, which we need to bring to an end as fast as possible but


examining the alternative models and my successors choosing which one we


should go for, then we need to bear in mind the long-term damage to the


British economy, is based on how good our trading relationship will


be with the European Union. Now for my part I think we want the closest


possibly relationship in terms of trading with the European Union, and


that is something that can be discussed and debated in this House,


as well as by the next Government. Thank you Mr Speaker, this week


sadly there has been more evidence that racist incidents are


increasing, evidence collated by monitoring groups shows in the last


threeer four days attacks an abuse from Stoke to Stockton, Dorset to


the Clyde. Can I ask the Prime Minister what monitoring systems he


and the Home Secretary have put in place, what reports he has received


from the police, and what extra resources are going to communities


that have been targeted in these vile racist attacks that are taking


place? Let me agree with him. These attacks are appallling and they need


to stop. It is right that everyone in this house and everyone on all


sides of the referendum debate utterly condemns this them, that is


not what we do in Britain, let me say I reassured Prime Minister's


countries such of Romania and the Czech Republic who are concerned


about this at the meeting we had last night. So we do monitor these


attacks and the Home Secretary gets regular report, we will be


publishing a new action plan on tackling hate crime shortly to step


up our response, we want new steps to boost reporting of hate crime and


supporting victims, new CPS guidance to prosecutors on racially


aggravated crime, a new fund for protective security measures at


potentially vulnerable institution and additional funding to community


organisation so they can tackle hate crime. Whatever we can do we will do


to drive these appalling hate crimes out of our country. I thank the


Prime Minister for that answer. Last Thursday, was a rejection of the


status quo, that clearly isn't delivering. There are now 13 point 5


million people living in poverty in Britain. Up 300,000 in the last


year, 4.5 million people in England and Wales are in insecure work and


two thirds of children in poverty are living in households, where at


least one adult is in work. The Prime Minister has two months left.


Will he leave a one nation legacy, and will that one nation legacy and


will that one nation legacy be the scrapping of the bedroom tax, the


banning of zero hours contracts and cancelling of the cuts to Universal


Credit? Where I would are-with the right honourable gentleman is of


course we need to do more to tackle poverty, we need to do more to


spread wealth and opportunity, but to pretend that last Thursday's vote


was a result of the state of the British economy is complete


nonsense, the British economy stronger than it was six years ago,


we all have to reflect on our role in the referendum campaign, I know


the honourable gentleman says he put his back in to it. It. All I would


say I would hate to see him when he is not trying.


Mr Speaker, Government figures released yesterday show the number


of children living in poverty has jumped by 200,000 in a year. To a


total now, a disgraceful total of 3.9 million children in this


country, living in poverty. Does he not think he should at the very


least apologise to them, and the parents that have been failed by his


Government, and do something about it, so that we do reduce the levels


of child poverty, in this country? If he wants to deal with the figures


let me give them to him. Income and inequality has gone down, average


incomes have grown at the fastest rate since 2001. He asks about


poverty, there are 300,000 fewer people in relative poverty since


2010. 500,000 fewer people in absolute poverty since 2010. If he


is looking for excuses about why the side he and I were on about the


referendum frankly he should look somewhere else. I have to say to the


honourable gentleman, he talks about job insecurity and my two months to


go, it might be in my party ice interest for him to sit there, it is


not in the national interest and I would say for heavens sake, man, go.


Quinn. My constituents have been struggling over who gets to press a


button. Will my right honourable friends condemn this in the strong


possible terms? My honourable friend is right. Outcome sport


infrastructure is a crucial part of our economy. I condemn any


industrial action that disrupts the travelling public, and they will not


thank the RMT for their recent disruption. The performance of


Southern has been unacceptable and passengers deserve better. The


Transport Secretary will be announcing further details of


compensation soon. Angus Robertson. On the terrorist tragedy in Turkey,


we in these benches join with the Prime Minister and the leader of the


official opposition in our condemnation and condolences to the


people of Turkey. Mr Speaker, a strong majority voted for Scotland


to remain in the European Union. First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is in


Brussels today, where she is meeting with the President of the European


Commission, the president of the European Parliament. Yesterday,


there was a standing ovation in the European Parliament when the case


was made to protect Scotland's place in Europe. What will the UK


Government do to protect Scotland's place in Europe? Firstly, let me


thank the right honourable gentleman for what he says about the terrorist


attacks and how we should stand against them. On the issue of the


UK's future and our relationship with the European Union, we need to


negotiate the best possible deal for the United Kingdom and the closest


possible relationship. That will also be the best possible deal for


Scotland. That is what needs to be done. On the contrary, the Prime


Minister is wrong on that issue. Yesterday, the Scottish Parliament


passed a motion across the Parliament including the Labour


Party, the Scottish Liberal Democrats and the Greens, were all


mandated the Scottish Government to have discussions with the UK


Government, other devolved administrations, the EU institutions


and member states to explore options for protecting Scotland's


relationship with the EU, Scotland's place in the single market and the


social implement and economic benefits that come from that. Every


party in the Scottish parliament voted for that, except the


Conservative Party, who abstained. When will the Conservatives finally


join all other parties in Scotland in protecting Scotland's place in


Europe? The best way to secure Scotland's place in the single


market is for the United Kingdom to negotiate the closest possible


relationship with the European Union, including in my view, the


closest relationship with the single market. Our membership with the


European Union is a UK membership and that is where we should take our


negotiating stance. Market traders in Rossendale make a huge


contribution to our local economy. With that in mind, would my right


honourable friend call with me and literally thousands of others to


stop Blackburn Council going ahead with its plan to bulldoze Darwin's


three-day market? I join him in paying tribute to all the


hard-working market traders across the country, who provide us with


excellent goods, often locally produced and sourced. I know how


important these markets are. I hope the local council will listen to my


honourable friend's campaign and make sure this historic market is


not lost. The Prime Minister will recall visiting the Vauxhall car


plant in my constituency as part of the referendum campaign. Now we have


voted to leave the EU, we face a fight to keep those jobs in this


country, so I will be urging General Motors to recognise their


responsibility to build vehicles where many are bought. Can the Prime


Minister ensure there are early talks with the voter industry and


that they are given the reassurance needed that motor vehicles will


still be able to export it to the EU at a competitive price? The


honourable gentleman is right. The story of the automotive industry in


Britain over the last decade has been a positive one. There are


150,000 people directly employed. There are another 300,000 people in


the supply and components industry, more of which has been coming


onshore in recent years. We need to secure the best possible deal for


Britain to make sure we have full access to the single market, because


many companies, General Motors, Toyota and Nissan included, one of


the reasons they invested in Britain was because of access to that


market. I would urge General Motors and others to make their voices


heard, and we will listen. Yesterday, a former member of my


staff was verbally abused and attacked while out shopping in


London because of the colour of his skin. He is of Pakistani origin. He


was chased down the road by a lady shouting that they have voted out


and that people like him should others and blow up people. Can I ask


the Prime Minister to reiterate the commitment he has given this morning


to do everything in his power to eradicate this evil hatred and


reiterate that leaving the EU should not be used to breed racism but the


opposite, and provide us with an opportunity to be much more


international rather than just European? In this country we have


many imperfections, but we are one of the most successful multi-faith,


multiethnic democracy is on Earth, and we should do everything to


safeguard that. That means the clearest possible statements from


all our political leaders, which you have heard today. More to the point,


we want action by the police and prosecuting authorities. The laws


are therefore these people to be prosecuted. They should be used. We


are going to strengthen the guidance and we should not put up with this


in our country. Alex Salmond. Turning now to the Chilcot report,


is the Prime Minister satisfied with the arrangements announced for prior


access for service families of soldiers who died in Iraq? Given


that Mr Blair has had months to prepare his PR defences, given that


he has seen the relevant passages? And what are the parliamentary


arrangements for secure prior access so that this House can properly


examine the findings and express any relevant views concerning the future


suitable accommodation for Mr Blair? First of all, in terms of members


with service personnel families, we have made sure they will not face


the cost that they originally were in terms of accessing the report. I


will check the details for the time they get to access the report and


perhaps write to him. The parliamentary process, I can again


put in a letter to him so that we are clear about what time the


statement will be, how much time people will have to study the report


in advance, and other right honourable gentleman. I remember how


important this was when I was Leader of the Opposition, having access. As


for those who could be criticised in the report, he will know that there


is a process where matters have to go out so that people have a chance


to respond to what is in the report. That is entirely independent of the


government. That has been dealt with by the Chilcot report under


long-standing conventions, but I shall put that in my letter to the


the ayes to the right. Sir Alan Duncan. Moving to watch for matters,


would my right honourable friend educate the house from his


experience as Prime Minister on how, in terms of the country's reputation


and success, he would compare the undemonstrative competence and


dignity of Angela Merkel with the theatrical and, colliding ticks off


Silvio Borisconi? -- the theatrical antics of Silvio Borisconi?


Neureuther of the people he is talking about our candidates in this


election, and election I will stay out of -- neither of those he is


talking about our candidates in this election. One piece of advice I was


given was not to go to a party with Silvio Berlusconi, and that is


advice I have taken. I thank the Prime Minister for giving us last


week's exercise in democracy. BOOING.


Order. The honourable gentleman will be heard. It is about us and this


place that he will be heard. Mr Douglas Carswell. I thank the Prime


Minister for giving us last week's exercise in democracy. We on the


Leave side recognise that although we won, it was a narrow mandate with


decent, patriotic people voting for Remain. Does the Prime Minister


agree with me that both sides now need to come together to achieve a


new, post-EU national consensus, whereby we have close links with our


friends and allies in Europe and beyond, while reclaiming our


sovereignty? First of all, I thank the honourable gentleman for making


the point that there were people with a deep sense of Patrick is on


both sides of the argument. I also agree that it is time for people in


our country to come together -- a deep sense of patriotism. He is also


right that we now have to work on what the alternatives are. These


were debated in the referendum campaign, but they were hypothetical


alternatives. They are now real alternatives. One of the roles the


government can play in the next few months is to set out these different


blueprints, the Canada blueprint, the Swiss blueprint and the Norway


blueprint and any other blueprints, and looked at the costs and benefits


so people can make a reasoned assessment now that this is a real


choice rather than a hypothetical one. I know all of them to's members


of Parliament would wish to be associated with the tribute paid by


my right honourable friend to Paddy Mayhew. He was a scholar and


gentleman and he was a great friend to his younger colleagues. Mr


Speaker, there are thousands of expat United Kingdom citizens living


around Europe who did not vote in the referendum. Many of them are


elderly and frail. They live on UK pensions and UK benefits. Will my


right honourable friend seek to insure that his successor defends


their interests? Thirsty, let me add to what he said on Sir Patrick


Mayhew, who was a wonderful man and a great public servant. I know he


meant a lot to me honourable friend and many others. On this issue of


British citizens living overseas, we should reassure people that until


Britain leaves the EU, there is absolutely no change in their


status. One of the things that this unit at the heart of Whitehall can


do in the coming weeks is to go through these issues methodically


and work out what might need to change in all the different


scenarios to give these people certainty about their futures. Mr


Speaker, London is the greatest city in Europe and in the world. Order! I


have enjoyed listening to the honourable gentleman for 25 years


and I want to continue to hear him. Its prosperity and tax revenue are


vital for the whole United Kingdom. London voted Remain. Does the Prime


Minister agree with the Mayor of London that a Labour winner, Sadiq


Khan, that London now need to remain in the European single market and


needs devolved additional powers to deal with the problems caused by the


vote last week? I certainly agree with the Merit London not only that


London is the greatest city on earth, but London needs to make its


voice heard in these Butel negotiations. Obviously, there are


many vital industries for London, but financial services, it is the


capital not only of the UK's financial services, but Europe's


financial services, and securing the best possible access to the single


market is going to be an important challenge in these negotiations. So


London should have its voice heard. This is a UK negotiation, and we


should listen to the nations of the Benatia kingdom, but the cities and


regions as well. -- of the United Kingdom. I pay tribute to my right


honourable friend, his premiership and the many achievements of his


government. Of which we can be proud. May I also commend his


condemnation of the racist attacks that have been reported from all


over the country, and would he take this opportunity also to condemn the


ridiculous and revolting behaviour of a certain MEP in the European


Parliament yesterday, and make clear that he does not represent this


country and he does not represent... Order. I will not have people adding


their own take on these matters. The honourable gentleman has the floor


and does not need help from the Scottish National Party benches. The


honourable gentleman will be heard, and that's all there is to it. He


does not represent this country, and he does not even represent the vast


majority of patriotic and law-abiding people who voted Leave


in the referendum. I thank my honourable friend for his kind


remarks and congratulate him for the role he played in the campaign. As


for what MEPs and others have said, people should judge them by the


remarks they make. I have made clear what I have felt about Nigel Farage


and that appalling poster in the campaign. I think the motive was


absolutely clear and everyone can see what he was trying to do. My


constituency has received substantial amounts of EU funding.


The Leave campaign in the referendum promised that funding would continue


even if we left the European Union. Does the Prime Minister agree that


if my constituency loses a penny piece of its funding under his


successor, that will be a gross betrayal? It is the case that Wales


as a whole is a net beneficiary of EU funds. And as I said throughout


the campaign, if the vote was a Novo to, I would want to do everything I


could to make sure we continued to help disadvantaged regions and our


farmers. Obviously, it is difficult for anyone to give guarantees,


because you don't know what will happen to our economy in the event


of a Leave vote, and our economy does face challenges. But it will be


a matter for my successor as we leave the EU to make good on what


they said at the time. I am pleased to announce that residents across


error wash have chosen the rocking horse nursery entry as the winning


card for my design a birthday card for the Queen competition. Will the


Prime Minister congratulate the 207 children who entered the


competition? Order! I want to hear about these


pupils, who should be congratulated. Let's hear the honourable lady. Will


the Prime Minister congratulate the 207 children who entered the


competition with their amazing designs, and would he agree to


present the card to Her Majesty at his next audience? There are many


ways in which members of Parliament or able to interact on a more human


level with our constituents, and getting them to do birthday cards is


an excellent idea. Having Brize Norton in my constituency, someone


once did a Christmas card with Santa letting presents out of the back of


a sea 17, which I thought was excellent but some felt it was


carpet bombing rather than handing out la Jess! I think it is a good


idea with a proviso and I am sure Her Majesty will be delighted to


receive them. Sheffield city region was set to receive ?180 million in


European structural funds through to 2020. That money is now at risk.


Those leading the Leave campaign did give guarantees that no area would


lose out as a result of Brexit. Now, we know those promises were


worthless, but will the Prime Minister join with me in urging his


access to ensure that Sheffield city region is compensated by the UK


Government for every pound of funding lost as a result of last


Thursday's decision? As we negotiate our way out of the EU, a range of


decisions will have to be made. Future governments must make sure we


help our universities and sciences and disadvantaged parts of the


country and we continue to support farmers. There will be a challenge,


but we will be able to judge for ourselves about whether we have more


money to do this because we have left the EU, or less because of the


impact on the economy. That is something we will judge for


ourselves in the years ahead. Unfortunately earlier this morning,


the Supreme Court ruled against a right to return of the Chagos


Islands to their homeland. I know that my right honourable friend will


be pleased that I will not pester him much more on this issue, but I


suggest that a fine legacy of his premiership might be to allow these


British citizens to return to their homeland. The national Security


Council has been considering this issue. We have looked at the


alternative options, the costs and benefits of the various things we


could do. And we will make an announcement in the coming months.


Grade one listed Rochdale town hall has been described as a rare,


picturesque beauty. A bid to renovate this iconic building was


rejected by the Heritage Lottery Fund in April. Of the five projects


awarded grants, all five are based in the south of England. Would the


Prime Minister consider supporting the renovation of this fantastic


municipal building? It is a beautiful building and it is a


historic town that he represents. In terms of the Heritage Lottery Fund,


here's a little unfair in focusing on those last five projects. More


broadly, he would find at the Blackpool museum received a grant of


over 13 million. So I believe it is fairly balanced across the country,


but I will look further and perhaps write to him about the general point


and issue of his town hall. As well as Brits living abroad in the EU,


there are a number of EU nationals living in this country and my


constituency were working hard and paying taxes entirely legitimately.


What reassurance can the Prime Minister give them that their


position is secure? A number are very concerned. First of all, we


must praise the contribution they make to our country. There are


50,000 EU nationals working in our NHS, 60,000 working in our care


sector, looking after our overly. Many work in education -- looking


after our elderly. As I said on Monday, we can obviously say that


all rights are guaranteed of members of the European Union. In the


future, I have heard members of the Leave campaign make this point that


people who are already here, already studying and working, must have


their rights and their access guaranteed. But we can't say that


now, we have to say it is part of the negotiations that will shortly


take place. Can I join with the tributes to you, Prime Minister, for


all you have done in your time of office? Does the Prime Minister


agree that whatever the disagreements about the European


Union, you were in the Remain come, I and my party were in the Leave


campaign, but the union that matters is that of the United Kingdom and


Northern Ireland, and that should be of the utmost importance. What is


being done to make sure we stay together in your remaining time in


office? I agree with the honourable gentleman that keeping the UK


together is the paramount interest for our country because of the


decision that has been made about Europe. We need to have exhaustive


conversations between officials in Whitehall and Northern Ireland, and


strong relations with the Republic of violence that we keep the


benefits of the Common travel area. The honourable gentleman has always


supported one blue team, Leicester City, and one day I hope he supports


another blue team. As members of the single market for over four decades,


many businesses have deeply embedded supply chains and customer


relationships across the EU. Does the Prime Minister agree that any


future deal with the EU but include access to the single market? My


honourable friend is right. Obviously, the term access to the


single market has many potential different meanings. Many countries


outside the EU have access to the single market, from Sue -- some


through a trade deal, some through World Trade Organisation rules. The


best access is to be a member of the single market, and the next Prime


Minister will have to decide what sort of access we want, what the


costs and benefits are of having that sort of access, and I am sure


we will talk about that in a moment when I give my statement on the


European Council. The Prime Minister will be aware that staff in my


unions are being consulted this week. The company has approached the


government for support, but has only received a guarantee to the value of


one of its trucks. Will he commit to meet with me to discuss this


perilous decision for the company and its workforce and what support


his government can provide? I am aware of the recent announcement


about these further job losses. This will be a difficult time for the


workers and their families. I understand that the Scottish and UK


Government have been working with the company over the past couple of


years as part of the partnership action for continuing employment


scheme. The Secretary of State for Scotland is also keeping an eye on


the situation and I am happy to arrange a meeting between him and


the honourable gentleman to talk about what more can be done.


Sit there, it is not in the national interest and I would say for heavens


sake, man, go. I said it was going to be unique. It


was uniquely quiet to be begin with. People said they don't like the


Punch and Judy. At the end things bucked up a bit.


MCorbyn went on the threat to living standards, as, he moved on the cred


it rating agency, not a subject you often here Mr Corbyn talk about, he


then moved on to ask if the fiscal rules should be suspended. Would he


suspend it? Mr Corbyn wanted it to suspend it. He went on the racist


incident and went on to an increase in poverty in the country in recent


months. It came alive at that bit, and culminated in the Prime Minister


saying to M Corbyn, it is not in the Conservative interest that he goes


but it is in the country's interest and he e Prime Minister saying to Mr


Corbyn, it is not in the Conservative interest that he goes


but it is in the country's interest and he shouted at Mr Corbyn "For


everyone's sake man, go." That no doubt is what will lead the news


tonight. We also had the Tory party


leadership campaign beginning to take off, with Alan Duncan, clearly


not supporting Boris Johnson, since he described him as M Borusconi. I


don't know who that could be referring to? I thought I would make


a bad joke. I'm not sure what we make of that at all, for the most


part the Labour benches heard MCorbyn in absolute silence.


What that means ion. What the view sear? They noticed the sombre


atmosphere, you could not. Mark said pretty tame Prime Minister's


Questions with a lame duck Prime Minister and opposition that has no


support from his party. I am looking forward to new leadership on both


sides who can provide a compelling vision for the future of the


country. Robert said over the past few days I have seen the vigour and


passion with which MrCorbyn is fighting to keep his job. What a


pity he didn't show this degree of commitment during the EU referendum.


How typical of politicians. And this from Martin, watching today was


pitiful. Jeremy Corbyn has no support behind him. It was unwise of


him to point out how long the Prime Minister has left. Hoped up the


charge against his lack of effort in the campaign and this culminated in


the Prime Minister charging Corbyn to go in the national interest with


his own benches nodding approval. The Labour benches nodded approval:


I didn't catch that, that is what Martin said. You didn't see it. It


was hard from the. A cram to see that much. Anything been happening.


In terms of other people saying they are off or calling for Corbyn to go,


not at that moment. What with didn't mention is that Pavt Glass appointed


two days ago to be the Shadow Education Secretary has already


quit. A record. Yes. A record for being in Shadow Cabinet was held bay


Tory for six day, she has beat than by 50%, she was in for three days.


It is a Parliamentary record. A Parliamentary record and a properly


political nerd top pub quiz fact for future Westminster quizzes. Don't


you speak about our viewers like that. I think in a funny way, you


know, PMQs was an illustration of actually how there is given the


scale of the events that are happening in the country and on the


questions an our future in the world, that was an illustration of


how the current, politics right now is not giving the country those


answers. You know. Both party, the Prime Minister said he is off His


decision, he explained why he felt he had to go. Somebody else has to


continue the negotiations. But the Labour Party's authority in


Westminster certainly is shot. Just at the moment, when many people


round the country are looking to Westminster for some kind of


leadership. That strange muted scrappy Prime Minister's Questions


really was an illustration of how right now, today, maybe not in the


coming weeks and month, today, politics is not providing the


answers to the public, after they made an enormous decision. Or MPs in


fact. Or MPs. I agree, there were lots of questions asked of the Prime


Minister as to what buzz does the Brexit vote mean, there was


questioning about regionally, all different things, all he could say


well, it will up to the next Prime Minister and so he can't answer any


of that. It is as if we are holding our breath. He couldn't say anything


frankly about the 3.9 million children in poverty though he was


able to tell us he could congratulate 120 children for doing


good cards, that seems to be the level at which we have descended


when it comes to Prime Minister's Questions because he can't answer


the crucial points. One of your readers referred to him as a lame


duck Prime Minister. It is a lame duck Parliament. We are going to do


it in the course of the next two months and we know we are. We don't


know the status of the Labour leadership. On that questioning of


MP, no decisions can be made between now and the new leader. Some of the


questions being put to. Cam Ron, he was the other side of this argument.


It is not easy for him to turn round and say now we are here, all the


scare stories I said are not true. The Prime Minister will have to


answer them. He will have to answer think, in terms, and I would expect


the new Prime Minister to have a very clear idea of where we are


going, that is part... He is irony, after everything that has happened,


in the sense Mr Cameron said this would settle the question, the Tory


leadership is going to be defined by the answers the tentative leaders


can give about what our relationship with the European Union should be


like. In terms of winning or losing the campaign, in terms of putting


this issue to bed for the Tory party, that is the question Stephen


Crabb, Theresa May, Boris Johnson whoever else might go for it. Andrea


Leadsom, still a bit of chat about that, possibly still Nicky Morgan


possibly. After that it is seems to be the divisive issue it has been.


That depends how long it will take. It depends whether or not, Article


50 itself is triggered. This is a bit of conspiracy theory but there


is chatter about some kind of alternative process to Article 50


being put forward. Is That is Big cash is pushing that And various


other people. The lawyers say... It is an argument of lawyer, not people


who have looked at the whole process, what would happen if for


example, you dropped one piece of the 72 bill, you broke the treaty,


you triggered, you put uncertainty, I think the Article 50 is what we


will take, but to come back to Andrew's point, the two things that


will happen. First we have to resolve the issues, that we have


been talking about for 20 years, and in that process, Parliament and


particularly Conservative Party in Parliament will have to come behind


what the policies are, it will put it to bed but it will take two


years. I think this illustrates in spades what Brexiteers have done to


the country. Let me... What do you mean Brexiteers? Let me tell you,


they charged this country in, they told a myriad of different stories


but they united unwill dethe line of let us take back control of the


country. They have got, they are about to take back control of the


country yet they have no idea what they are going to do. They have


taken us into this dark place and we are now lost, and on the one hand we


have the Tory party in Government with no Plan B if there was, if the


referendum went the wrong way we have Brexiteers with a load of


different ideas as to where it is we are going to go. We have no


leadership and we are in a sorry state. None so blind as though who


will not see. Lots of debates will go on, this will define the future


of country for year, decades so it is proper, we are in a dedemocracy


remember, it may be difficult for the Labour Party, we are in a


democracy, we will make decision, a lot of journalists haven't been


wanting to cover it... You have no been agreed. There are so many


different lines. But also the Brexiteers said different thing,


simply on the issue of immigration, now yeah you are saying different


things, during the campaign you were saying different things. David


Cameron's reasons for remaining were different to Jeremy Corbyns. Is


there a chance that Labour could fight the 2020 election on rejoining


the EU? First is there going to be 2020? Let us take these things, we


are in such a state of flux at the moment. Such a state of flux. If you


feel the way you do about this, let me ask again, is there a chance


Labour would fight the next election on rejoining the EU? You ask


hypotheticals to politicians all the time. I don't know how many times


they answer them. Why don't you break my run and answer it? Let


us... It is a real issue, a legitimate question. It is a very


serious question and it needs a serious answer. There is a long way


to go before we are in that. We have to lose through, what is going to


happen... You don't rule it out. You are right to ask that question,


because there is chatter among some Labour MPs about a huge opportunity


for somebody to come forward as a stop Boris, stop Brexit candidate.


The Labour Party has much bigger questions to sort out, but there is


a potential political opportunity there, that is being discussed


because a small point, this petition calling for a second referendum has


given potential Labour leadership candidates a whole massive huge big


list of data of voters who they might be able to get on side if they


are brave enough to put a stop Brexit campaign together. Very


interesting. We will see. We haven't had time to ask the real big


question which is do you think it was worthwhile getting up at 5am


this morning and getting a train back from Brussels to watch Prime


Minister's Questions. To sit and talk to you.... That is good.


Another busy day for you, Laura. Thanks for being with us.


Let's talk more about the attempts by MPs to remove


The former acting leader of the Labour Party,


Margaret Beckett, is in Central Lobby.


What is happening to your party? My party is in disarray, no doubt about


it. Over 80% of our members of Parliament have decided it is no


longer possible to work with our elected leader. But he insists he is


staying. And if he insists he is staying in his post, what are you


going to do about it? I suppose there will come a point when people


have to make a decision as to whether or not there is a challenge.


For myself, this has been very rushed. At the outset, I thought it


was a mistake to start this process when it was started. But that has


been overtaken by events. Over the next 24 hours, I hope Jeremy will


think again. We will see a reaction from a lot of people who are saying,


this is not a sustainable situation. You said on the Today programme in


that vein today that there are people around Jeremy Corbyn who


would rather see the Labour Party split than for him to go. Who are


you referring to? Part of the problem is that nobody really knows


who the people of influence are around Jeremy, because they are on


the whole a separate group from the Labour Party. But it is clear that


some of those who were hoping to express their concerns, without


necessarily intending to resign, had it made clear to them that if it


came to a choice between Jeremy and the Labour Party, the Labour Party


is the one with the problems. Emily Thornberry has said that some people


in the Shadow Cabinet and the Labour Party have been thinking about


trying to bring Jeremy down for some time. Do you agree? There wasn't any


doubt that there are people who were so unhappy at Jeremy's election that


they have been resentful from the beginning. That is a relatively


small group. My perception is that that was a diminishing group, that


most the party were willing to support him. But they have found it


not possible to do so. There is still strong evidence that Jeremy


Corbyn enjoys mass support amongst the membership. If he is on the


ballot paper after a leadership challenge and winds, would you


advise your colleagues to form a different Labour Party -- if he


wins? We are a long way from that. Jeremy was elected overwhelmingly to


be leader of the Labour Party. That is a grave responsibility and it is


in his hands. In my view, it is his duty as leader of the Labour Party


not to put us into an abyss whereby he has no PLP behind him. It is his


duty. I'm sorry to say this, but it is his duty to stand aside to save


the party that has given him everything. Otherwise it will split,


in your mind? Well, there seem to be people who would rather that it


split. Angela Eagle is expected to launch a formal leadership challenge


against Jeremy Corbyn. Would you support her? I don't know what will


happen. My view is that no one should launch a leadership challenge


at this moment in time, because the challenge of leadership is in Jeremy


Corbyn's lap, and he should exercise that leadership, and I'm afraid he


should go. If he steps down, then there could


be an open contest. Where is the danger Margaret Beckett is worried


about is that if there is a leadership challenge, Mr Corbyn


could be re-elected by the members. Would that not mean that Labour


could face a historic split? I certainly hope not. As I said at the


outset, the Labour Party is more than the parliamentary party. We are


a mass movement one third of a million strong. People throughout


the party have responsibilities to the nation. I think the Labour Party


is so important in terms of our nation's history and what we have


achieved for our people, and it's vital that we stay together. Is it


sustainable that the party in the country and the parliamentary party


could be so far apart? Isn't that going to lead to a realignment of


forces on the left? I certainly hope not. At a time like this, we need to


be thinking about the interests of the nation first and foremost. I


don't think people should be thinking about their individual


careers. They should be thinking what is best for our nation, which


is a united Labour Party and a proper opposition, particularly at a


time of Brexit, when things are as frightening as they are. This is the


worst time in Labour's history since at least the 30s, isn't it? I don't


know. It is as hard a time as I have had. But you stay in and fight. I


was born into the Labour Party, I will always stay in the Labour


Party. For me, the Labour Party is what brings about positive change in


our country and we have to stick together. If it continues like this,


would you not want to go to Mr Corbyn and save the game is up? No.


Jeremy is his own man. He is strong willed and he has made it clear that


he is going to stay. Even if it rips Labour apart? He listens to members


around the country and party members and his constituents, and I am sure


he will take his cue from them. There's just time to put you out


of your misery and give It was a long while ago, 1970. So,


Emily, just to cheer you up, press the red buzzer and see what happens.


OK! Mark Craven from Cheshire has won. On the subject of support for


Jeremy Corbyn, Momentum, the grassroots movement that came about


after his leadership, they have postponed an event scheduled for


tonight because there was too much demand. They are looking for a


bigger venue. Is there going to be a lot of Tory campaigning over the


summer? Over August, yes. I thought the Tories were on holiday over


August. Perhaps they will cancel them. Do you think they will develop


a mass movement of enthusiastic support for the Tory party?


The One o'clock news is starting over on BBC One now.


Jo will be here at 11 o'clock tomorrow morning.


Just when you think you've got it all sorted...


..things don't turn out quite as you'd expected.


But then, no-one said it was going to be easy.


So, how long have you been living as a woman?


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