29/06/2016 Daily Politics


29/06/2016

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Good morning, and welcome to the Daily Politics.

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Things continue to move at a breakneck speed

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here at Westminster, with the future direction of both

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the Conservatives and Labour in doubt.

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And there's still the little matter of Britain's exit from

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David Cameron has said farewell to his last ever EU summit,

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and he warned his former fellow leaders they can't shy away

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Jeremy Corbyn has lost the confidence of eight

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out of ten Labour Mps, and has been hit by as many

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as 60 resignations from his frontbench team.

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He looks set to face a leadership challenge,

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but Mr Corbyn says he won't "betray" his supporters by resigning.

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You might not have heard of him, but Stephen Crabb becomes the first

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Conservative MP to announce he's standing to lead the party

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and become Prime Minister, he's promising to champion

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With one leader definitely on the way out, and the other

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increasingly isolated in Parliament, Prime Minister's Questions

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could be a dramatic moment - or just a very strange one.

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Either way you won't want to miss it, live from midday.

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All that in the next hour and a half, and with us

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for the whole of the programme today we're joined by Labour's

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Emily Thornberry, and the Conservative David Davis.

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At the time of writing this script, Emily was

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the Shadow Foreign Secretary, and David hadn't announced he wants

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Has anything changed in the last five minutes we should know about?

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No, still in the job? No that I'm aware of. It could all change. It is

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First today, let's talk about David Cameron,

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who said au revoir to his last ever EU summit in Brussels last night.

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The remaining 27 countries will continue meeting today,

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but without the British Prime Minister for the first

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Mr Cameron looked rather emotional in his parting press conference,

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and he made it clear that he laid much of the blame for his failure

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to win the referendum on the Eu's refusal to do much about migration.

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I think people recognise the strength of the economic case for

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staying, but there was a very great concern about the movement of

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people, and immigration, and I think that is coupled with a concern about

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the issues of sovereignty and ability to control these things, and

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I think you know, we need to, we need to think about that, Europe

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needs to think about that, and I think that is going to be one of the

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major tasks for the next Prime Minister.

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So Dave if it is about immigration, do you agree with that? It is not

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all about immigration. But it was the single biggest issue. What was

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the biggest? The big South West to control the country, if you look at

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the poll analysis, that is what came first, but the second biggest issue

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was immigration an certainly I think, in the northern working class

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seat, the surprise of the night, it absolutely the issue, in my own part

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of the world my local builder not had a pay increase for ten year. So

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it follows therefore, that as we leave the EU, your side of the

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argument will have to do something quite concrete and substantial about

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immigration, all those who voted for your side will be deeply

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disappointed. No doubt about that, we have to bring it under national

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control and control it properly down to a viable level, really. One that

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suits the overall economic and social interest of the country Is it

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possible to give us an idea of what a viable level would be? It is

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currently net total migrant last year was running about 330,000. A

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lot less, probably 100,000 net. So you would have to splash slash

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non-EU migration Both would have to come down. The point I am going to

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make, is we talk about points system, the point about the points

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system is that you decide each year what your Labour shortages are, what

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your housing circumstances are, and make a decision each year-by-year.

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So as a Conservative who believes in the free market you are advocating

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manpower planning It is not manpower planning. It is. You will have to

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guess at what the economy needs That is what the Australians do, that I

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have a Conservative Government for long time and instituted just such a

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system. You are slashing by over a third. They haven't had a

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Conservative Government for a long time They did when they put the

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points system in. When I was Shadow Home Secretary, it was 46, 60,000 a

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year, we weren't suffer, we had great growth numbers, it happened to

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be 3% GDP per capita so everybody was gaining from it. That went from

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those numbers to ten times that, and stayed there for a decade. OK. All

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unplanned. Labour will have to device a policy on ill integration,

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now we are in a position to control non-EU migration and EU migration

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when Brexit happens, you need a policy on immigration. Well, we

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always had a policy on immigration but we immediate to listen carefully

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to what the voters were saying about that. What was that policy? I think,

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what was the policy? Well, the policy was that the, as to non-EU

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migration people could come here if they were claiming asylum, if they

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wanted to have family reunion. That is a legal obligation. Going through

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them, family reunion and certain people could come here from round

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the world if they had the skills necessary, and in relation to...

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Show You didn't need one with the EU because it was free movement. So

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what would is it possible at the moment to give us an idea of the

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outline of the Labour immigration policy? No, not at the moment. It is

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too early? Too early. I can tell people that know, we have been

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listening to what the public have been saying. Labour politicians have

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been telling me that for years you have been listen, people want to

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know. I understand that, I think the plates have moved and I think we

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need to as a matter of urgency address this. I was Shadow Home

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Secretary when this big changed happened and it was plain it wasn't

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deliberate. That was the year, those were the years in which David

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Blunkett was saying we will get 13,000 people in from eastern

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Europe, when the AA came in. I kept pressing him on it. He said the Home

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Office view, not his, it was a mistake, and that, unfortunately

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that mistake ran on, Can I clarify an issue with both of you. You have

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been a minute stir, you have a legal background. Mr Juncker saying if the

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Tories choose a Remain Prime Minister they will have two weeks to

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invoke Article 50. Can we clarify it is not up to Jean-Claude Juncker.

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None of his business. It's the call of the country involved. There is an

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expulsion clause, it is not Article 50. I think it is article 7. That is

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if we become a fascist state or something like that. It is not

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relevant. Once the clock run there's is a two-year timetable but do you

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agree with that, it is not up to Jean-Claude Juncker to decide. I

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think more importantly it speaks of the anger that is felt in Europe.

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You have to remember, what did Gove Gove say during the election? He

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said he hoped that we would vote for Brexit and there could be a

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contagion across Europe and the European countries would liberate

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themselveses from Europe. You can imagine if a Brexiteer remain leader

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of the country, there is not going to be... He can't tell us to... What

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is Labour's position, when do you think Article 50 should be

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triggered? I think that we should not personally, and again, we, this

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is, this is very very early day, but I personally think that we should

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consider, I don't think we should have Article 50 implemented until we

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have a new Prime Minister, and I think that we should have a general

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election. You think there should be a general election. I think there

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should. All right. You wouldn't trigger Article 50 until after that.

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The public need to have an opportunity to consider this. I

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think it will play out and people will realise they were... I think

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that people will realise they were lied to during this campaign, and it

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will give them a chance to see the truth of what it really means to be

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in Europe. People are angry at the Commission, the bureaucracy, not the

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countries, the behaviour of Merkel and other countries and the Swedes,

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it is very different. They are starting to be conciliatory. There

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is an east European head of steam getting up to get rid of Jean-Claude

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Juncker. We need to move on, do you think there should be an election

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after the Conservatives have chosen a new leader? I don't because this

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is a direct outcome of one of our manifesto proposals which was to

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have the referendum. All right. So, on the one hand things look

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pretty bleak for Labour He's lost the confidence

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of the majority of his parliamentary party, and been hit by so many

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resignations it's not clear that he can even come close

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to filling all the vacancies Some may have to multi task. Do job

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share. Pat Glass who was made Shadow Education Secretary on Monday, today

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is Wednesday, she has said she is resigning after less than three

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days. That is probably a record. But on the other hand,

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the barriers for his opponents to challenge him are high,

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and as best we can tell he retains the support of a large part

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of the party in the country. These are difficult times

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for the Labour leader, yesterday only 40 MPs supported him

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in a vote of no confidence compared The vote has no constitutional

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legitimacy, so what happens now? If an MP wants to initiate

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a leadership challenge they need The vote has no constitutional

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legitimacy, so what happens now? If an MP wants to initiate

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a leadership challenge they need to get the backing of 20%

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of MPs and MEPs. If this happens a leadership contest

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is triggered with Labour Party members, affiliated trade union

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supporters and registered The big question remains over

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whether Jeremy Corbyn would automatically get

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onto the ballot or whether he'd need If he did make it any contender

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would have a difficult job. Over a quarter of one million people

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voted for Mr Corbyn in the last Labour leadership election which

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amounts to nearly 60% of the vote. Our political correspondent,

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Iain Watson, can update Yet again, there is another

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resignation, perhaps two, where do we stand at this point in terms of a

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leadership contest? Think there is going to be one, the question is who

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sit going to be. You mentioned it briefly but this is what Pat glass

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is saying, with a heavy heart I am resigning at Shadow Secretary of

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State for Education, it was my dream job but the situation is untenable.

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Because that situation is untenable, that is why we are likely to see a

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leadership contest. It is probably worth asking Emily Thornberry

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whether she is still in place at the moment. The question is who is going

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to challenge him? To trigger the leadership challenge you need the

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support of 51 MPs. It is very very likely that Angela Eagle has got 51

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fellow MPs ready to back her. The question is what does the Deputy

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Leader Tom Watson do? Last night the view was it was best not to rush

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into the immediate challenge to Jeremy Corbyn, to try as one person

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said let him stew in his own juice, go to Prime Minister's Questions,

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underline the scale of opposition from behind him on his benches. Make

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him feel uncomfortable. If he throws in the towel Tom Watson takes over

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as interim leader and he can have an open leadership contest, as it were

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in his own time. If Jeremy Corbyn digs in his heels, then it needs a

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challenge and the question then is whether Angela Eagle is that

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challenger or whether Tom Watson who is reluctant do this, then becomes

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willing to take Jeremy Corbyn on head on, which might mean of course

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giving up his position as Deputy Leader. One other thing to think

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about, is if there is a vacancy, normally you only need 38 to back

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them. If Jeremy Corbyn slung in the towel as it were an restood he would

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have to overcome a smaller threshold in the 51 votes you were talking

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about. It will be very strange in PMQs on that side of the House.

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Emily Thornberry isn't Mr Corbyn a captain without a crew? I don't

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think, so if the Labour Party is a third of a million people strong,

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you know, we are our Members of Parliament, members of the European

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Parliament, we are councillor, activists. He doesn't have a crew in

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the common, he can't fill the Shadow Cabinet position, it is not the

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party in the country that is the opposition it is the political party

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and he can't fill the positions. Think our democracy works, on lots

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of different levels. We have to remember he was elected less than a

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year ago on a 60% of the mandate. We are a democracy. I understand that,

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but even so, how can he function now, and if he cannot fill a Shadow

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Cabinet, or the posts that go with it? Well, he has made it clear he is

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is not going anywhere, that if anybody wants to challenge them,

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they should... I didn't ask about that, he still has six vacancies and

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another 40 posts that follow, how does he do that? We will have to see

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how it works out, but I think people need to be clear his view is, is

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that he is going to stay. As say, we will maybe come on to that, who is

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your shadow Foreign Office team. ? I have Fabian Hamilton, who is doing

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Europe, and Catherine West on another junior minister. And has

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everyone else had their teams appointed yet? I don't know. It has

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been a chaotic couple of days. I couldn't be naming everybody's teams

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today. Does this amount to a coup? I think this is something people have

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been thinking about for some time. Who? I don't know. So it is a coup?

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Well, it's certainly a challenge. The question is, what is Jeremy

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going to do about it? Know, the question is, is this a coup, and if

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so, who is behind it? The symptoms of a coup are evidence of prior

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organisation. It was clearly organised to come about after the

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referendum. There is going to be a challenge now from your

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Parliamentary colleagues for the leadership. If there is, is it your

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view that Mr Corbyn will automatically be on the alert paper

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as the incumbent? In the end, I am a lawyer. I have obviously looked at

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the rules! That is why I am asking. Your free legal advice is that of

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course he will be on the ballot. The rules talk about challenge owners

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and vacancies, and Jeremy is an incumbent and neither of those two

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things will apply to him, so he will be on the ballot. I haven't seen the

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other legal advice. I have seen the legal advice that was talked about

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on some of the other news channels. And I have seen the rules myself. I

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would be interested to see how it is put together. Did you think you

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would ever see a time when 80% of the Parliamentary Labour Party would

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have no confidence in its leader, and that the Scottish nationalism

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would be vying to become the official opposition? Is this not a

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measure of the depths to which your party has now sunk? I think we are

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going through a very tough time, no doubt about it. And it is a huge

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shame. My view is that the Labour Party should be focusing on the

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country and the crisis we are having as a result of the Brexit vote. Why

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have you not resigned? Because I think there needs to be a voice of

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calm. We need cool head at this time and frankly, there needs to be

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somebody within the opposition taking the role of pulling together

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what Labour's position will be on the Brexit vote. If it is a battle

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between Jeremy Corbyn and Angela Eagle for the Labour leadership, who

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will you support? Firstly, I would support Jeremy, and secondly, I

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don't think it will be just those two standing. You would continue to

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support Jeremy Corbyn even in a leadership challenge? Jeremy has

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been elected by 60% of the membership, and he still has that

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democratic mandate. Why do so many of his parliamentary colleagues

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think he is just not up to the job? What is interesting is that this is

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all about personal criticism. It is verging on personal abuse. 80% of

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the PLP, they say he is a nice guy, but they don't think he is up to the

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job and they don't think with him as leader, you can win in 2020. What

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was interesting at the Parliamentary Labour Party meeting on Monday was

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that all the criticism was about personality. There was not one

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criticism of him in relation to policy. In terms of where the party

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is going. None of it was criticisms of what he stands for politically.

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That is a hell of an achievement, to move the party in the last year to

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where it is, putting the importance of fighting austerity on the map. We

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don't know what that means, fighting austerity. There is no policy for

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that. We don't know what the size of the Budget deficit would be, we

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don't know the tax and spend policies, it is just rhetoric. It is

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not rhetoric, it is about investing in our country to grow the economy.

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I think it is completely opposite to what the Tories stand for. The idea

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that we might be heading for a session, and the only -- we might be

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heading for a recession and the only economist in the world who thinks

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the way you get out of a recession is to cut back on the money supply

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even more is George Osborne. He is not saying he would cut back on the

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money supply. The austerity Budget is fiscal positioning. If we do know

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Labour's position, the current budget deficit is 80 billion. How

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big a deficit would you be prepared to run? We would need to look at the

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books when we came into power, and we would need to make sure we were

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investing. Investing means borrowing. It is also about the

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extent of need. Who knows how big the recession may be when we do get

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into power? We will have to make a judgment at that point. But the

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responsible thing to do is for a government to spend money at a time

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of recession. Is 80 billion too bigger deficit, eight years after

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the crash? The economy is going. At the moment. The pound is crashing.

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The pound was rising this morning. Then I am glad to hear it. How

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loaded we get before it starts to rise again? Why are you glad to hear

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it? Of course I am glad. It could be good for exports. Not to have the

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pound this low. But it has risen from a very low point, and the worry

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is, where are we going? Where are we going? I will tell you

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where we are going! Follow me. So we don't know if this summer will

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see a Labour leadership contest, but we know for certain

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the Conservatives will be choosing The pundits' favourites are either

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Boris Johnson or Theresa May, but at least in the opening stages

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the party should have a wider field This morning, Work and Pensions

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Secretary Stephen Crabb announced I was brought up to understand

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that nothing gets handed On the rainy rugby fields

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of West Wales, I learned that it's not a question of waiting

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for the ball to pop out If you want it, you do what's

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required So, Stephen Crabb, the worst kept

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secret in Westminster for the last 24 hours, has announced he is going

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to run. But Boris Johnson is the favourite. Is he the best man for

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the job? I think he is. I am going to be supporting him. The biggest

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issue in front of us for the next several years will be managing

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Brexit, bringing about the improvement in our trade position,

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the control of our borders. But needs vision, optimism, energy,

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drive. Boris has those. Is he a man of integrity that people will trust?

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On those issues, yes. It has to go before MPs first. Oh, yes. I don't

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do the numbers. I am not on Boris' team. Wood July to be? Not

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particularly, I am just supporting him. I don't know the numbers, but I

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would be amazed if he is not already passing 100. Theresa May, and

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admittedly this is just anecdotal, but she is looking popular. On some

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of the betting sheets, she is pulling ahead of Iris Johnson now

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that the role is coming up. It is a bit early to make those judgments --

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she's pulling ahead of Boris Johnson. But the favourite never

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win. That is the old argument. These rules of thumb are always good until

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they are not. There is no doubt that Theresa May will get a lot of

:24:27.:24:29.

Parliamentary support. She is the primary Remain candidates. I think

:24:30.:24:34.

it will be Theresa versus Boris, and we will have a serious argument

:24:35.:24:37.

about what the country should look like in a few years. I think Boris

:24:38.:24:41.

has the energy, drive, vision, optimism. If optimism is a force

:24:42.:24:47.

multiplier, Boris is a force multiplier. You came out very

:24:48.:24:53.

strongly about the importance of immigration and the importance of

:24:54.:24:56.

being able to control our borders and cut back immigration to tens of

:24:57.:25:00.

thousands, and yet the statement Boris has come out with is that we

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should be in the free market and that the referendum was never about

:25:05.:25:08.

immigration. That is not quite what he said. He clarified this morning.

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With respect, this is going to be a two and a half year process. All the

:25:17.:25:25.

things the Leave and Remain sides said before going to be proved

:25:26.:25:32.

wrong. I am not sure, but I am pretty confident that we are going

:25:33.:25:37.

to see a significant sea change in the attitude of Europe to migration

:25:38.:25:41.

in the next couple of years. That was presaged by David Cameron. Are

:25:42.:25:44.

you sure Boris Johnson is committed to some of the things he said about

:25:45.:25:49.

immigration before? The only question I asked him was that. He

:25:50.:25:56.

said, I am absolutely committed to proper control of immigration by us.

:25:57.:26:05.

You said is no snap election, and sources close to Boris Johnson are

:26:06.:26:09.

saying they would not favour a snap election. Why not? Because this is

:26:10.:26:14.

the direct outcome of a manifesto proposal, namely the referendum. I

:26:15.:26:21.

don't think that frankly, a year in... A year in, David Cameron won

:26:22.:26:26.

with a majority. If I was making a tactical judgment given the state of

:26:27.:26:29.

the Labour Party at the moment, I would say to have a snap election,

:26:30.:26:32.

but there was no constitutional need for it. What will we do if there is

:26:33.:26:38.

no election? Producing more history than we can consume at the moment. I

:26:39.:26:50.

agree with that. I suspect in the weeks ahead, there will be ups and

:26:51.:26:54.

downs with the currency. There have been some glum faces about this

:26:55.:26:59.

week, George Osborne, Roy Hodgson, Jean-Claude Juncker. We thought we

:27:00.:27:05.

probably would not see anyone any more glum, until we saw the pictures

:27:06.:27:10.

of the first meeting of Jeremy Corbyn's new look, slimmed down

:27:11.:27:16.

Shadow Cabinet. Technically known as having a face like a wet weekend.

:27:17.:27:20.

This was just before the Labour leader turned to his spin doctor and

:27:21.:27:25.

was overheard saying "I'm not sure this is a great idea". People often

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say that when they tune in to the Daily Politics. So what could cheer

:27:31.:27:31.

Mr Corbyn and his team up? What else but a Daily Politics mode

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and a plate of biscuits? It is sure to improve even the most awkward of

:27:42.:27:45.

meetings and chase away those no-confidence blues. But if you want

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a mug, even if you are Leader of the Opposition, there is only one way to

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get one. All you have to do is tell us when

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divided we fall # Let's get on the ball

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position as a member of Parliament and how much of my

:28:14.:28:17.

work I can carry on. # Heaven help the boy

:28:18.:28:28.

who won't reach 21 # Heaven help

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the man who gave that boy a gun... # And you're always there to lend

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Because I said so. It's coming up to midday here -

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there's Big Ben - Yes, Prime Minister's Questions

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is on its way. It is going to be, well, different

:29:44.:29:54.

from any others we have covered the past 30 years.

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Laura Kuenssberg is here to tell us more.

:29:57.:30:01.

Since this is a moving story, tell us the latest. In the last 15

:30:02.:30:07.

minutes, I have spoken to Harriet Harman, the former deputy leader and

:30:08.:30:12.

former acting leader. And after decades of not really speaking about

:30:13.:30:15.

about leadership because she has always taken a leadership is

:30:16.:30:19.

assumed, she has just told me that Jeremy Corbyn has to go. She urges

:30:20.:30:25.

him to go. Chirac said that he was elected with a large majority -- she

:30:26.:30:29.

accepts that he was elected with a majority of the leadership, but he

:30:30.:30:33.

has failed in her view to lead, and therefore that mandate does not

:30:34.:30:38.

apply. She is obviously very upset by the situation, and she warns that

:30:39.:30:42.

if he stays on, he risks the party completely collapsing around him.

:30:43.:30:46.

That was in the last few minutes. There is also a letter from 77

:30:47.:30:50.

Labour councillors that has just been published, saying it is time

:30:51.:30:53.

for him to go. Huge pressure piling on him, but his supporters still say

:30:54.:31:01.

the mandate he got from last year allows him to stay. Are you

:31:02.:31:04.

surprised Harriet Harman has said this, Emily Thornberry? No. I have

:31:05.:31:10.

had conversations with Harriet. It has been simmering for a while.

:31:11.:31:11.

Yeah. Let's goes Thank you. I know the House will

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enjoy me in condemning the terrorist attacks in Turkey last night. Our

:31:25.:31:28.

thoughts and prayers are with those who were killed and those who were

:31:29.:31:33.

injured. There are no reports of any UK casualties but the Foreign Office

:31:34.:31:36.

are working with the authorities to establish the full facts. I spoke to

:31:37.:31:42.

the President this morning to express the UK's condolence,

:31:43.:31:45.

detailseses are still emerging but we stand as one in our defiance

:31:46.:31:50.

against these barbaric act, this week marks the sensory of the battle

:31:51.:31:53.

of the Somme there will be a two minute silence on Friday morning. I

:31:54.:31:59.

will attend a service at the memorial near the battlefield and it

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is right the country pauses to remember the sacrifices of those who

:32:05.:32:09.

lost their lives. This morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues

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and I shall have further such meetings later today.

:32:13.:32:17.

Can I associate myself with the Prime Minister's remarks of

:32:18.:32:20.

condolence to those who have been affected by this dreadful attack in

:32:21.:32:25.

Istanbul. Can I offer him my personal best wishes to himself and

:32:26.:32:27.

his family for life after Downing Street. He has served his country

:32:28.:32:32.

but he has not done it alone, it is right we should acknowledge the

:32:33.:32:36.

support he has had as we all have, from our families and public

:32:37.:32:41.

service, before he goes, though, will he... Will he attend to one

:32:42.:32:47.

matter, that when he was in opposition he described as doing

:32:48.:32:52.

enormous moral damage to the moral authority of our country and that is

:32:53.:32:56.

the involvement of our security services in rendition. Now that the

:32:57.:33:01.

CPS have decided they are not going to prosecute Sir Mark Allen for what

:33:02.:33:09.

he did, will he reinstitute, reconstitute the Gibson inquiry to,

:33:10.:33:12.

so we can know what was done in our name and on whose authority. Can I

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thank the right honourable gentleman for his generous remarks, and and I

:33:18.:33:22.

am proud to have served this country and for the first Prime Minister to

:33:23.:33:27.

get to Shetland and Orkney to look into his constituency. He raises an

:33:28.:33:32.

important point about the Libya rendition issue, the Government

:33:33.:33:35.

co-operated fully with the police investigation into these case, the

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CPS set out their position concludes there was insufficient evidence to

:33:41.:33:43.

prosecute. I would say and I can say it now, I think there are few

:33:44.:33:47.

countries in the world that would have an such and independent an

:33:48.:33:50.

thorough investigation into an issue like this, I think the right

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approach, as Sir Peter Gibson finished the report is the ISC has

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agreed to look at the issues raised in the report and I think they

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should continue to do so. Thank you Mr Speaker.

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As my right honourable friend has said and put current events in

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perspective, at 7.30 this Friday we will start the process of

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commemorating the 100th anniversary of the Battle of the Somme. Will he

:34:19.:34:24.

join me in thanking those involved in organising the forget never

:34:25.:34:27.

project who have done so much to ensure young people will learn the

:34:28.:34:31.

lessons of the past and forgetting our current challenges will he join

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me in encouraging everyone to remember, Sam Lieutenant and

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commemorate those who made the ultimate sacrifice. I join him in

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commending all those organise nighing these events particularly

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that in his constituency. I think it is important not only because this

:34:50.:34:53.

appalling slaughter, 57,000 people killed or wounded on the first day

:34:54.:34:57.

of this battle, but also because so many people are learning so much

:34:58.:35:00.

about their own families involvement, and I would say in many

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ways there is a link between the current events with are discussing

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and what happened 100 years ago, is the importance of keeping peace and

:35:09.:35:12.

stability on our continent. It was noticeable at last night's European

:35:13.:35:16.

Union dinner that the French President mentioned the Somme

:35:17.:35:18.

commemorations and how proud he was we would be standing together and

:35:19.:35:22.

remembering the sacrifices all those years ago. . Thank you Mr Speaker. I

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would like to echo the words of the Prime Minister concerning the 36 who

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died and the 100 injured in the vile terrorist attack in Turkey, I am

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sure our consular services will be doing everything they can to assist

:35:40.:35:42.

those that have been affected. I would like to thank him for

:35:43.:35:46.

referring to the memorial for the some on Friday and I look forward to

:35:47.:35:52.

being with him there at the memorial service of those who died in that

:35:53.:35:55.

battle. I think it would be appropriate if we paid tribute to

:35:56.:35:59.

Lord Patrick Mayhew who died last weekend. As Northern Ireland

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Secretary, he was the driving force behind the Downing Street

:36:04.:36:06.

declaration in 19th 3, that dead lead to the first ceasefire, and I

:36:07.:36:11.

think the relative peace we have now is in part thanks to him and of

:36:12.:36:17.

course his successor Mo Mowlam lamb for all she achieved. What people

:36:18.:36:22.

are worried about is the extra insecurity to their living

:36:23.:36:26.

standards, jobs, wages and pensions following the referendum. In recent

:36:27.:36:29.

days we have heard words about the future of some of the major

:36:30.:36:33.

companies in Britain like see mans which has been here for a long time.

:36:34.:36:41.

What meetings has the Chancellor had with major companies to stabilise

:36:42.:36:45.

the situation? First of all, he is right to mention Patrick Mayhew, he

:36:46.:36:50.

did play a huge role in the delivery of the peace process, he was also a

:36:51.:36:57.

brilliant touring and someone who exuded a belief in public service

:36:58.:37:00.

and the national interest and was a kind and goodly man, and I was very

:37:01.:37:06.

sad to hear of his pass, I sent a message to him via his wife shortly

:37:07.:37:09.

before he died, and I know there are many people this this House who want

:37:10.:37:12.

to send their good wishes to his family. The Leader of the Opposition

:37:13.:37:17.

asks what conversations we are having with business and what

:37:18.:37:20.

preparations with are making to deal with the economic challenges we

:37:21.:37:23.

make, we are in a strong position to meet his challenges, because we have

:37:24.:37:27.

paid down so much of our deficit. We have had strong growth and job

:37:28.:37:31.

creation but I don't belittle the consequences will be difficult.

:37:32.:37:35.

There are going to be some very choppy waters ahead, I don't resile

:37:36.:37:39.

from any of the warnings I made during the campaign, but we have to

:37:40.:37:42.

pined the best way through this, one of the things we must do is talk

:37:43.:37:45.

with businesses and reassure them about the stability there is today

:37:46.:37:49.

and the strength of the British economy, the Business Secretary has

:37:50.:37:52.

met with a range of businesses already. Tomorrow I have the meeting

:37:53.:37:56.

of my business advisory group and I am inviting other companies to that,

:37:57.:38:01.

including see mans who play a huge role in the British economy, what we

:38:02.:38:04.

need to talk about the the reassurances about stability we can

:38:05.:38:07.

give now, the fact our circumstances don't change until we leave the

:38:08.:38:11.

European Union, and then, I want to hear from them, as we draw up the

:38:12.:38:18.

possible blueprinters for Britain's future about what they think would

:38:19.:38:23.

be the right answer. Thank you Mr Speaker, the credit rating agencies

:38:24.:38:27.

have cut the UK credit rating to AA from AA plus, the Chancellor pledged

:38:28.:38:31.

to keep a triple-A rating. What estimate has the Government made of

:38:32.:38:35.

the cost to the Exchequer of this downgrade, in terms of borrowing

:38:36.:38:42.

costs, and, of the risks to pension fund Well, the Leader of the

:38:43.:38:45.

Opposition is right that the credit ratings by one agency has been taken

:38:46.:38:50.

down by several points and another has put it on watch, the answer to

:38:51.:38:55.

his question is the cost to the Exchequer and the taxpayer will

:38:56.:38:58.

depend on what happened to the interest rates in the market at

:38:59.:39:02.

which Britain can borrow, and he is right to draw attention to that,

:39:03.:39:11.

look, as I said, head of the ECB confirmed this, all of the warnings

:39:12.:39:15.

was if we voted to leave the EU, there would be difficulties in terms

:39:16.:39:21.

of our own economy, and growth rates, and instability in markets,

:39:22.:39:25.

we are seeing those thing, we are well prepared in term of the

:39:26.:39:28.

reaction the Bank of England and the Treasury but there is no doubt in my

:39:29.:39:33.

mind, these are going to be difficult economic times we must

:39:34.:39:36.

make sure we maintain our strong economy so we can cope this them. We

:39:37.:39:40.

shouldn't belittle the channels, they will be difficult and we will

:39:41.:39:43.

have to meet them. Thank you Mr Speaker. Everyone across the House

:39:44.:39:47.

should be concerned that the indications from business and

:39:48.:39:51.

investors are the UK is less attractive, thus putting current and

:39:52.:39:55.

future jobs at risk, in the circumstances will the Prime

:39:56.:39:59.

Minister consider suspending the Chancellor's fiscal rule which is in

:40:00.:40:03.

effect preventing investment from taking place? I don't believe that

:40:04.:40:09.

would be the right approach. I think, look, what business needs to

:40:10.:40:14.

hear, what consumers and investors and people concerned about our

:40:15.:40:16.

economy want to hear, is that we have taken huge steps over the last

:40:17.:40:21.

six years to get the deficit down, to make the British economy more

:40:22.:40:25.

attractive, to make it an attractive destination for investment. They

:40:26.:40:29.

want it to continue. Of course if we see economic difficulty, one of the

:40:30.:40:33.

ways we have to react to that is to make sure that our public finances,

:40:34.:40:37.

and our economy remain strong. We shouldn't have taken all the steps

:40:38.:40:40.

of the last six years to get the deficit down, in order to see us get

:40:41.:40:44.

on to a more difficult path. I don't think it would be right to suspend

:40:45.:40:48.

fiscal rule, as I say, there are three phases to this, the first is

:40:49.:40:52.

the volatility we see, which the Bank of England and the Treasury

:40:53.:40:56.

must cope with, the second is the uncertainty about Britain's future

:40:57.:40:59.

status, which we need to bring to an end as fast as possible but

:41:00.:41:04.

examining the alternative models and my successors choosing which one we

:41:05.:41:07.

should go for, then we need to bear in mind the long-term damage to the

:41:08.:41:11.

British economy, is based on how good our trading relationship will

:41:12.:41:14.

be with the European Union. Now for my part I think we want the closest

:41:15.:41:18.

possibly relationship in terms of trading with the European Union, and

:41:19.:41:21.

that is something that can be discussed and debated in this House,

:41:22.:41:26.

as well as by the next Government. Thank you Mr Speaker, this week

:41:27.:41:31.

sadly there has been more evidence that racist incidents are

:41:32.:41:33.

increasing, evidence collated by monitoring groups shows in the last

:41:34.:41:39.

threeer four days attacks an abuse from Stoke to Stockton, Dorset to

:41:40.:41:43.

the Clyde. Can I ask the Prime Minister what monitoring systems he

:41:44.:41:46.

and the Home Secretary have put in place, what reports he has received

:41:47.:41:51.

from the police, and what extra resources are going to communities

:41:52.:41:55.

that have been targeted in these vile racist attacks that are taking

:41:56.:42:00.

place? Let me agree with him. These attacks are appallling and they need

:42:01.:42:03.

to stop. It is right that everyone in this house and everyone on all

:42:04.:42:07.

sides of the referendum debate utterly condemns this them, that is

:42:08.:42:12.

not what we do in Britain, let me say I reassured Prime Minister's

:42:13.:42:15.

countries such of Romania and the Czech Republic who are concerned

:42:16.:42:17.

about this at the meeting we had last night. So we do monitor these

:42:18.:42:22.

attacks and the Home Secretary gets regular report, we will be

:42:23.:42:25.

publishing a new action plan on tackling hate crime shortly to step

:42:26.:42:29.

up our response, we want new steps to boost reporting of hate crime and

:42:30.:42:35.

supporting victims, new CPS guidance to prosecutors on racially

:42:36.:42:39.

aggravated crime, a new fund for protective security measures at

:42:40.:42:42.

potentially vulnerable institution and additional funding to community

:42:43.:42:45.

organisation so they can tackle hate crime. Whatever we can do we will do

:42:46.:42:50.

to drive these appalling hate crimes out of our country. I thank the

:42:51.:42:55.

Prime Minister for that answer. Last Thursday, was a rejection of the

:42:56.:42:59.

status quo, that clearly isn't delivering. There are now 13 point 5

:43:00.:43:04.

million people living in poverty in Britain. Up 300,000 in the last

:43:05.:43:11.

year, 4.5 million people in England and Wales are in insecure work and

:43:12.:43:14.

two thirds of children in poverty are living in households, where at

:43:15.:43:19.

least one adult is in work. The Prime Minister has two months left.

:43:20.:43:24.

Will he leave a one nation legacy, and will that one nation legacy and

:43:25.:43:30.

will that one nation legacy be the scrapping of the bedroom tax, the

:43:31.:43:35.

banning of zero hours contracts and cancelling of the cuts to Universal

:43:36.:43:40.

Credit? Where I would are-with the right honourable gentleman is of

:43:41.:43:44.

course we need to do more to tackle poverty, we need to do more to

:43:45.:43:48.

spread wealth and opportunity, but to pretend that last Thursday's vote

:43:49.:43:54.

was a result of the state of the British economy is complete

:43:55.:43:57.

nonsense, the British economy stronger than it was six years ago,

:43:58.:44:04.

we all have to reflect on our role in the referendum campaign, I know

:44:05.:44:06.

the honourable gentleman says he put his back in to it. It. All I would

:44:07.:44:10.

say I would hate to see him when he is not trying.

:44:11.:44:20.

Mr Speaker, Government figures released yesterday show the number

:44:21.:44:25.

of children living in poverty has jumped by 200,000 in a year. To a

:44:26.:44:31.

total now, a disgraceful total of 3.9 million children in this

:44:32.:44:34.

country, living in poverty. Does he not think he should at the very

:44:35.:44:39.

least apologise to them, and the parents that have been failed by his

:44:40.:44:43.

Government, and do something about it, so that we do reduce the levels

:44:44.:44:48.

of child poverty, in this country? If he wants to deal with the figures

:44:49.:44:55.

let me give them to him. Income and inequality has gone down, average

:44:56.:44:58.

incomes have grown at the fastest rate since 2001. He asks about

:44:59.:45:04.

poverty, there are 300,000 fewer people in relative poverty since

:45:05.:45:09.

2010. 500,000 fewer people in absolute poverty since 2010. If he

:45:10.:45:13.

is looking for excuses about why the side he and I were on about the

:45:14.:45:17.

referendum frankly he should look somewhere else. I have to say to the

:45:18.:45:21.

honourable gentleman, he talks about job insecurity and my two months to

:45:22.:45:25.

go, it might be in my party ice interest for him to sit there, it is

:45:26.:45:28.

not in the national interest and I would say for heavens sake, man, go.

:45:29.:45:42.

Quinn. My constituents have been struggling over who gets to press a

:45:43.:46:09.

button. Will my right honourable friends condemn this in the strong

:46:10.:46:14.

possible terms? My honourable friend is right. Outcome sport

:46:15.:46:17.

infrastructure is a crucial part of our economy. I condemn any

:46:18.:46:23.

industrial action that disrupts the travelling public, and they will not

:46:24.:46:27.

thank the RMT for their recent disruption. The performance of

:46:28.:46:30.

Southern has been unacceptable and passengers deserve better. The

:46:31.:46:38.

Transport Secretary will be announcing further details of

:46:39.:46:45.

compensation soon. Angus Robertson. On the terrorist tragedy in Turkey,

:46:46.:46:49.

we in these benches join with the Prime Minister and the leader of the

:46:50.:46:54.

official opposition in our condemnation and condolences to the

:46:55.:46:57.

people of Turkey. Mr Speaker, a strong majority voted for Scotland

:46:58.:47:02.

to remain in the European Union. First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is in

:47:03.:47:05.

Brussels today, where she is meeting with the President of the European

:47:06.:47:11.

Commission, the president of the European Parliament. Yesterday,

:47:12.:47:14.

there was a standing ovation in the European Parliament when the case

:47:15.:47:19.

was made to protect Scotland's place in Europe. What will the UK

:47:20.:47:23.

Government do to protect Scotland's place in Europe? Firstly, let me

:47:24.:47:29.

thank the right honourable gentleman for what he says about the terrorist

:47:30.:47:31.

attacks and how we should stand against them. On the issue of the

:47:32.:47:37.

UK's future and our relationship with the European Union, we need to

:47:38.:47:42.

negotiate the best possible deal for the United Kingdom and the closest

:47:43.:47:45.

possible relationship. That will also be the best possible deal for

:47:46.:47:50.

Scotland. That is what needs to be done. On the contrary, the Prime

:47:51.:47:57.

Minister is wrong on that issue. Yesterday, the Scottish Parliament

:47:58.:48:02.

passed a motion across the Parliament including the Labour

:48:03.:48:06.

Party, the Scottish Liberal Democrats and the Greens, were all

:48:07.:48:09.

mandated the Scottish Government to have discussions with the UK

:48:10.:48:15.

Government, other devolved administrations, the EU institutions

:48:16.:48:18.

and member states to explore options for protecting Scotland's

:48:19.:48:22.

relationship with the EU, Scotland's place in the single market and the

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social implement and economic benefits that come from that. Every

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party in the Scottish parliament voted for that, except the

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Conservative Party, who abstained. When will the Conservatives finally

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join all other parties in Scotland in protecting Scotland's place in

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Europe? The best way to secure Scotland's place in the single

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market is for the United Kingdom to negotiate the closest possible

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relationship with the European Union, including in my view, the

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closest relationship with the single market. Our membership with the

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European Union is a UK membership and that is where we should take our

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negotiating stance. Market traders in Rossendale make a huge

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contribution to our local economy. With that in mind, would my right

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honourable friend call with me and literally thousands of others to

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stop Blackburn Council going ahead with its plan to bulldoze Darwin's

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three-day market? I join him in paying tribute to all the

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hard-working market traders across the country, who provide us with

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excellent goods, often locally produced and sourced. I know how

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important these markets are. I hope the local council will listen to my

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honourable friend's campaign and make sure this historic market is

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not lost. The Prime Minister will recall visiting the Vauxhall car

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plant in my constituency as part of the referendum campaign. Now we have

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voted to leave the EU, we face a fight to keep those jobs in this

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country, so I will be urging General Motors to recognise their

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responsibility to build vehicles where many are bought. Can the Prime

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Minister ensure there are early talks with the voter industry and

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that they are given the reassurance needed that motor vehicles will

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still be able to export it to the EU at a competitive price? The

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honourable gentleman is right. The story of the automotive industry in

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Britain over the last decade has been a positive one. There are

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150,000 people directly employed. There are another 300,000 people in

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the supply and components industry, more of which has been coming

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onshore in recent years. We need to secure the best possible deal for

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Britain to make sure we have full access to the single market, because

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many companies, General Motors, Toyota and Nissan included, one of

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the reasons they invested in Britain was because of access to that

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market. I would urge General Motors and others to make their voices

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heard, and we will listen. Yesterday, a former member of my

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staff was verbally abused and attacked while out shopping in

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London because of the colour of his skin. He is of Pakistani origin. He

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was chased down the road by a lady shouting that they have voted out

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and that people like him should others and blow up people. Can I ask

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the Prime Minister to reiterate the commitment he has given this morning

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to do everything in his power to eradicate this evil hatred and

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reiterate that leaving the EU should not be used to breed racism but the

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opposite, and provide us with an opportunity to be much more

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international rather than just European? In this country we have

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many imperfections, but we are one of the most successful multi-faith,

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multiethnic democracy is on Earth, and we should do everything to

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safeguard that. That means the clearest possible statements from

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all our political leaders, which you have heard today. More to the point,

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we want action by the police and prosecuting authorities. The laws

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are therefore these people to be prosecuted. They should be used. We

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are going to strengthen the guidance and we should not put up with this

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in our country. Alex Salmond. Turning now to the Chilcot report,

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is the Prime Minister satisfied with the arrangements announced for prior

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access for service families of soldiers who died in Iraq? Given

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that Mr Blair has had months to prepare his PR defences, given that

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he has seen the relevant passages? And what are the parliamentary

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arrangements for secure prior access so that this House can properly

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examine the findings and express any relevant views concerning the future

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suitable accommodation for Mr Blair? First of all, in terms of members

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with service personnel families, we have made sure they will not face

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the cost that they originally were in terms of accessing the report. I

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will check the details for the time they get to access the report and

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perhaps write to him. The parliamentary process, I can again

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put in a letter to him so that we are clear about what time the

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statement will be, how much time people will have to study the report

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in advance, and other right honourable gentleman. I remember how

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important this was when I was Leader of the Opposition, having access. As

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for those who could be criticised in the report, he will know that there

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is a process where matters have to go out so that people have a chance

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to respond to what is in the report. That is entirely independent of the

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government. That has been dealt with by the Chilcot report under

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long-standing conventions, but I shall put that in my letter to the

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the ayes to the right. Sir Alan Duncan. Moving to watch for matters,

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would my right honourable friend educate the house from his

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experience as Prime Minister on how, in terms of the country's reputation

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and success, he would compare the undemonstrative competence and

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dignity of Angela Merkel with the theatrical and, colliding ticks off

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Silvio Borisconi? -- the theatrical antics of Silvio Borisconi?

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Neureuther of the people he is talking about our candidates in this

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election, and election I will stay out of -- neither of those he is

:54:41.:54:43.

talking about our candidates in this election. One piece of advice I was

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given was not to go to a party with Silvio Berlusconi, and that is

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advice I have taken. I thank the Prime Minister for giving us last

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week's exercise in democracy. BOOING.

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Order. The honourable gentleman will be heard. It is about us and this

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place that he will be heard. Mr Douglas Carswell. I thank the Prime

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Minister for giving us last week's exercise in democracy. We on the

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Leave side recognise that although we won, it was a narrow mandate with

:55:25.:55:30.

decent, patriotic people voting for Remain. Does the Prime Minister

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agree with me that both sides now need to come together to achieve a

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new, post-EU national consensus, whereby we have close links with our

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friends and allies in Europe and beyond, while reclaiming our

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sovereignty? First of all, I thank the honourable gentleman for making

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the point that there were people with a deep sense of Patrick is on

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both sides of the argument. I also agree that it is time for people in

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our country to come together -- a deep sense of patriotism. He is also

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right that we now have to work on what the alternatives are. These

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were debated in the referendum campaign, but they were hypothetical

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alternatives. They are now real alternatives. One of the roles the

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government can play in the next few months is to set out these different

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blueprints, the Canada blueprint, the Swiss blueprint and the Norway

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blueprint and any other blueprints, and looked at the costs and benefits

:56:26.:56:30.

so people can make a reasoned assessment now that this is a real

:56:31.:56:33.

choice rather than a hypothetical one. I know all of them to's members

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of Parliament would wish to be associated with the tribute paid by

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my right honourable friend to Paddy Mayhew. He was a scholar and

:56:48.:56:51.

gentleman and he was a great friend to his younger colleagues. Mr

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Speaker, there are thousands of expat United Kingdom citizens living

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around Europe who did not vote in the referendum. Many of them are

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elderly and frail. They live on UK pensions and UK benefits. Will my

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right honourable friend seek to insure that his successor defends

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their interests? Thirsty, let me add to what he said on Sir Patrick

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Mayhew, who was a wonderful man and a great public servant. I know he

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meant a lot to me honourable friend and many others. On this issue of

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British citizens living overseas, we should reassure people that until

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Britain leaves the EU, there is absolutely no change in their

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status. One of the things that this unit at the heart of Whitehall can

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do in the coming weeks is to go through these issues methodically

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and work out what might need to change in all the different

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scenarios to give these people certainty about their futures. Mr

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Speaker, London is the greatest city in Europe and in the world. Order! I

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have enjoyed listening to the honourable gentleman for 25 years

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and I want to continue to hear him. Its prosperity and tax revenue are

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vital for the whole United Kingdom. London voted Remain. Does the Prime

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Minister agree with the Mayor of London that a Labour winner, Sadiq

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Khan, that London now need to remain in the European single market and

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needs devolved additional powers to deal with the problems caused by the

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vote last week? I certainly agree with the Merit London not only that

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London is the greatest city on earth, but London needs to make its

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voice heard in these Butel negotiations. Obviously, there are

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many vital industries for London, but financial services, it is the

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capital not only of the UK's financial services, but Europe's

:59:20.:59:23.

financial services, and securing the best possible access to the single

:59:24.:59:26.

market is going to be an important challenge in these negotiations. So

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London should have its voice heard. This is a UK negotiation, and we

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should listen to the nations of the Benatia kingdom, but the cities and

:59:36.:59:42.

regions as well. -- of the United Kingdom. I pay tribute to my right

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honourable friend, his premiership and the many achievements of his

:59:47.:59:51.

government. Of which we can be proud. May I also commend his

:59:52.:59:59.

condemnation of the racist attacks that have been reported from all

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over the country, and would he take this opportunity also to condemn the

:00:05.:00:07.

ridiculous and revolting behaviour of a certain MEP in the European

:00:08.:00:14.

Parliament yesterday, and make clear that he does not represent this

:00:15.:00:23.

country and he does not represent... Order. I will not have people adding

:00:24.:00:27.

their own take on these matters. The honourable gentleman has the floor

:00:28.:00:33.

and does not need help from the Scottish National Party benches. The

:00:34.:00:38.

honourable gentleman will be heard, and that's all there is to it. He

:00:39.:00:44.

does not represent this country, and he does not even represent the vast

:00:45.:00:49.

majority of patriotic and law-abiding people who voted Leave

:00:50.:00:54.

in the referendum. I thank my honourable friend for his kind

:00:55.:00:58.

remarks and congratulate him for the role he played in the campaign. As

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for what MEPs and others have said, people should judge them by the

:01:04.:01:07.

remarks they make. I have made clear what I have felt about Nigel Farage

:01:08.:01:12.

and that appalling poster in the campaign. I think the motive was

:01:13.:01:16.

absolutely clear and everyone can see what he was trying to do. My

:01:17.:01:23.

constituency has received substantial amounts of EU funding.

:01:24.:01:27.

The Leave campaign in the referendum promised that funding would continue

:01:28.:01:32.

even if we left the European Union. Does the Prime Minister agree that

:01:33.:01:36.

if my constituency loses a penny piece of its funding under his

:01:37.:01:39.

successor, that will be a gross betrayal? It is the case that Wales

:01:40.:01:46.

as a whole is a net beneficiary of EU funds. And as I said throughout

:01:47.:01:53.

the campaign, if the vote was a Novo to, I would want to do everything I

:01:54.:01:57.

could to make sure we continued to help disadvantaged regions and our

:01:58.:02:02.

farmers. Obviously, it is difficult for anyone to give guarantees,

:02:03.:02:05.

because you don't know what will happen to our economy in the event

:02:06.:02:11.

of a Leave vote, and our economy does face challenges. But it will be

:02:12.:02:15.

a matter for my successor as we leave the EU to make good on what

:02:16.:02:24.

they said at the time. I am pleased to announce that residents across

:02:25.:02:29.

error wash have chosen the rocking horse nursery entry as the winning

:02:30.:02:33.

card for my design a birthday card for the Queen competition. Will the

:02:34.:02:38.

Prime Minister congratulate the 207 children who entered the

:02:39.:02:39.

competition? Order! I want to hear about these

:02:40.:02:46.

pupils, who should be congratulated. Let's hear the honourable lady. Will

:02:47.:02:53.

the Prime Minister congratulate the 207 children who entered the

:02:54.:02:56.

competition with their amazing designs, and would he agree to

:02:57.:03:00.

present the card to Her Majesty at his next audience? There are many

:03:01.:03:07.

ways in which members of Parliament or able to interact on a more human

:03:08.:03:11.

level with our constituents, and getting them to do birthday cards is

:03:12.:03:16.

an excellent idea. Having Brize Norton in my constituency, someone

:03:17.:03:19.

once did a Christmas card with Santa letting presents out of the back of

:03:20.:03:23.

a sea 17, which I thought was excellent but some felt it was

:03:24.:03:29.

carpet bombing rather than handing out la Jess! I think it is a good

:03:30.:03:32.

idea with a proviso and I am sure Her Majesty will be delighted to

:03:33.:03:37.

receive them. Sheffield city region was set to receive ?180 million in

:03:38.:03:42.

European structural funds through to 2020. That money is now at risk.

:03:43.:03:53.

Those leading the Leave campaign did give guarantees that no area would

:03:54.:04:01.

lose out as a result of Brexit. Now, we know those promises were

:04:02.:04:05.

worthless, but will the Prime Minister join with me in urging his

:04:06.:04:11.

access to ensure that Sheffield city region is compensated by the UK

:04:12.:04:15.

Government for every pound of funding lost as a result of last

:04:16.:04:21.

Thursday's decision? As we negotiate our way out of the EU, a range of

:04:22.:04:28.

decisions will have to be made. Future governments must make sure we

:04:29.:04:32.

help our universities and sciences and disadvantaged parts of the

:04:33.:04:35.

country and we continue to support farmers. There will be a challenge,

:04:36.:04:39.

but we will be able to judge for ourselves about whether we have more

:04:40.:04:42.

money to do this because we have left the EU, or less because of the

:04:43.:04:46.

impact on the economy. That is something we will judge for

:04:47.:04:53.

ourselves in the years ahead. Unfortunately earlier this morning,

:04:54.:04:56.

the Supreme Court ruled against a right to return of the Chagos

:04:57.:05:01.

Islands to their homeland. I know that my right honourable friend will

:05:02.:05:06.

be pleased that I will not pester him much more on this issue, but I

:05:07.:05:11.

suggest that a fine legacy of his premiership might be to allow these

:05:12.:05:14.

British citizens to return to their homeland. The national Security

:05:15.:05:22.

Council has been considering this issue. We have looked at the

:05:23.:05:26.

alternative options, the costs and benefits of the various things we

:05:27.:05:30.

could do. And we will make an announcement in the coming months.

:05:31.:05:36.

Grade one listed Rochdale town hall has been described as a rare,

:05:37.:05:40.

picturesque beauty. A bid to renovate this iconic building was

:05:41.:05:43.

rejected by the Heritage Lottery Fund in April. Of the five projects

:05:44.:05:49.

awarded grants, all five are based in the south of England. Would the

:05:50.:05:54.

Prime Minister consider supporting the renovation of this fantastic

:05:55.:06:00.

municipal building? It is a beautiful building and it is a

:06:01.:06:05.

historic town that he represents. In terms of the Heritage Lottery Fund,

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here's a little unfair in focusing on those last five projects. More

:06:09.:06:13.

broadly, he would find at the Blackpool museum received a grant of

:06:14.:06:17.

over 13 million. So I believe it is fairly balanced across the country,

:06:18.:06:21.

but I will look further and perhaps write to him about the general point

:06:22.:06:31.

and issue of his town hall. As well as Brits living abroad in the EU,

:06:32.:06:35.

there are a number of EU nationals living in this country and my

:06:36.:06:39.

constituency were working hard and paying taxes entirely legitimately.

:06:40.:06:43.

What reassurance can the Prime Minister give them that their

:06:44.:06:47.

position is secure? A number are very concerned. First of all, we

:06:48.:06:52.

must praise the contribution they make to our country. There are

:06:53.:06:58.

50,000 EU nationals working in our NHS, 60,000 working in our care

:06:59.:07:02.

sector, looking after our overly. Many work in education -- looking

:07:03.:07:10.

after our elderly. As I said on Monday, we can obviously say that

:07:11.:07:15.

all rights are guaranteed of members of the European Union. In the

:07:16.:07:19.

future, I have heard members of the Leave campaign make this point that

:07:20.:07:25.

people who are already here, already studying and working, must have

:07:26.:07:28.

their rights and their access guaranteed. But we can't say that

:07:29.:07:33.

now, we have to say it is part of the negotiations that will shortly

:07:34.:07:39.

take place. Can I join with the tributes to you, Prime Minister, for

:07:40.:07:44.

all you have done in your time of office? Does the Prime Minister

:07:45.:07:47.

agree that whatever the disagreements about the European

:07:48.:07:52.

Union, you were in the Remain come, I and my party were in the Leave

:07:53.:07:55.

campaign, but the union that matters is that of the United Kingdom and

:07:56.:08:00.

Northern Ireland, and that should be of the utmost importance. What is

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being done to make sure we stay together in your remaining time in

:08:05.:08:11.

office? I agree with the honourable gentleman that keeping the UK

:08:12.:08:16.

together is the paramount interest for our country because of the

:08:17.:08:20.

decision that has been made about Europe. We need to have exhaustive

:08:21.:08:25.

conversations between officials in Whitehall and Northern Ireland, and

:08:26.:08:28.

strong relations with the Republic of violence that we keep the

:08:29.:08:32.

benefits of the Common travel area. The honourable gentleman has always

:08:33.:08:35.

supported one blue team, Leicester City, and one day I hope he supports

:08:36.:08:43.

another blue team. As members of the single market for over four decades,

:08:44.:08:48.

many businesses have deeply embedded supply chains and customer

:08:49.:08:54.

relationships across the EU. Does the Prime Minister agree that any

:08:55.:08:57.

future deal with the EU but include access to the single market? My

:08:58.:09:05.

honourable friend is right. Obviously, the term access to the

:09:06.:09:08.

single market has many potential different meanings. Many countries

:09:09.:09:13.

outside the EU have access to the single market, from Sue -- some

:09:14.:09:18.

through a trade deal, some through World Trade Organisation rules. The

:09:19.:09:22.

best access is to be a member of the single market, and the next Prime

:09:23.:09:26.

Minister will have to decide what sort of access we want, what the

:09:27.:09:30.

costs and benefits are of having that sort of access, and I am sure

:09:31.:09:34.

we will talk about that in a moment when I give my statement on the

:09:35.:09:38.

European Council. The Prime Minister will be aware that staff in my

:09:39.:09:44.

unions are being consulted this week. The company has approached the

:09:45.:09:52.

government for support, but has only received a guarantee to the value of

:09:53.:09:56.

one of its trucks. Will he commit to meet with me to discuss this

:09:57.:10:01.

perilous decision for the company and its workforce and what support

:10:02.:10:05.

his government can provide? I am aware of the recent announcement

:10:06.:10:09.

about these further job losses. This will be a difficult time for the

:10:10.:10:13.

workers and their families. I understand that the Scottish and UK

:10:14.:10:16.

Government have been working with the company over the past couple of

:10:17.:10:20.

years as part of the partnership action for continuing employment

:10:21.:10:22.

scheme. The Secretary of State for Scotland is also keeping an eye on

:10:23.:10:26.

the situation and I am happy to arrange a meeting between him and

:10:27.:10:28.

the honourable gentleman to talk about what more can be done.

:10:29.:10:34.

Sit there, it is not in the national interest and I would say for heavens

:10:35.:10:37.

sake, man, go. I said it was going to be unique. It

:10:38.:10:42.

was uniquely quiet to be begin with. People said they don't like the

:10:43.:10:50.

Punch and Judy. At the end things bucked up a bit.

:10:51.:10:58.

MCorbyn went on the threat to living standards, as, he moved on the cred

:10:59.:11:03.

it rating agency, not a subject you often here Mr Corbyn talk about, he

:11:04.:11:09.

then moved on to ask if the fiscal rules should be suspended. Would he

:11:10.:11:15.

suspend it? Mr Corbyn wanted it to suspend it. He went on the racist

:11:16.:11:20.

incident and went on to an increase in poverty in the country in recent

:11:21.:11:26.

months. It came alive at that bit, and culminated in the Prime Minister

:11:27.:11:31.

saying to M Corbyn, it is not in the Conservative interest that he goes

:11:32.:11:34.

but it is in the country's interest and he e Prime Minister saying to Mr

:11:35.:11:38.

Corbyn, it is not in the Conservative interest that he goes

:11:39.:11:40.

but it is in the country's interest and he shouted at Mr Corbyn "For

:11:41.:11:43.

everyone's sake man, go." That no doubt is what will lead the news

:11:44.:11:45.

tonight. We also had the Tory party

:11:46.:11:48.

leadership campaign beginning to take off, with Alan Duncan, clearly

:11:49.:11:53.

not supporting Boris Johnson, since he described him as M Borusconi. I

:11:54.:12:00.

don't know who that could be referring to? I thought I would make

:12:01.:12:05.

a bad joke. I'm not sure what we make of that at all, for the most

:12:06.:12:11.

part the Labour benches heard MCorbyn in absolute silence.

:12:12.:12:20.

What that means ion. What the view sear? They noticed the sombre

:12:21.:12:28.

atmosphere, you could not. Mark said pretty tame Prime Minister's

:12:29.:12:31.

Questions with a lame duck Prime Minister and opposition that has no

:12:32.:12:35.

support from his party. I am looking forward to new leadership on both

:12:36.:12:38.

sides who can provide a compelling vision for the future of the

:12:39.:12:41.

country. Robert said over the past few days I have seen the vigour and

:12:42.:12:45.

passion with which MrCorbyn is fighting to keep his job. What a

:12:46.:12:49.

pity he didn't show this degree of commitment during the EU referendum.

:12:50.:12:54.

How typical of politicians. And this from Martin, watching today was

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pitiful. Jeremy Corbyn has no support behind him. It was unwise of

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him to point out how long the Prime Minister has left. Hoped up the

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charge against his lack of effort in the campaign and this culminated in

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the Prime Minister charging Corbyn to go in the national interest with

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his own benches nodding approval. The Labour benches nodded approval:

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I didn't catch that, that is what Martin said. You didn't see it. It

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was hard from the. A cram to see that much. Anything been happening.

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In terms of other people saying they are off or calling for Corbyn to go,

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not at that moment. What with didn't mention is that Pavt Glass appointed

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two days ago to be the Shadow Education Secretary has already

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quit. A record. Yes. A record for being in Shadow Cabinet was held bay

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Tory for six day, she has beat than by 50%, she was in for three days.

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It is a Parliamentary record. A Parliamentary record and a properly

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political nerd top pub quiz fact for future Westminster quizzes. Don't

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you speak about our viewers like that. I think in a funny way, you

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know, PMQs was an illustration of actually how there is given the

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scale of the events that are happening in the country and on the

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questions an our future in the world, that was an illustration of

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how the current, politics right now is not giving the country those

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answers. You know. Both party, the Prime Minister said he is off His

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decision, he explained why he felt he had to go. Somebody else has to

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continue the negotiations. But the Labour Party's authority in

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Westminster certainly is shot. Just at the moment, when many people

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round the country are looking to Westminster for some kind of

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leadership. That strange muted scrappy Prime Minister's Questions

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really was an illustration of how right now, today, maybe not in the

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coming weeks and month, today, politics is not providing the

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answers to the public, after they made an enormous decision. Or MPs in

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fact. Or MPs. I agree, there were lots of questions asked of the Prime

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Minister as to what buzz does the Brexit vote mean, there was

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questioning about regionally, all different things, all he could say

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well, it will up to the next Prime Minister and so he can't answer any

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of that. It is as if we are holding our breath. He couldn't say anything

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frankly about the 3.9 million children in poverty though he was

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able to tell us he could congratulate 120 children for doing

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good cards, that seems to be the level at which we have descended

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when it comes to Prime Minister's Questions because he can't answer

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the crucial points. One of your readers referred to him as a lame

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duck Prime Minister. It is a lame duck Parliament. We are going to do

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it in the course of the next two months and we know we are. We don't

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know the status of the Labour leadership. On that questioning of

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MP, no decisions can be made between now and the new leader. Some of the

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questions being put to. Cam Ron, he was the other side of this argument.

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It is not easy for him to turn round and say now we are here, all the

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scare stories I said are not true. The Prime Minister will have to

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answer them. He will have to answer think, in terms, and I would expect

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the new Prime Minister to have a very clear idea of where we are

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going, that is part... He is irony, after everything that has happened,

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in the sense Mr Cameron said this would settle the question, the Tory

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leadership is going to be defined by the answers the tentative leaders

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can give about what our relationship with the European Union should be

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like. In terms of winning or losing the campaign, in terms of putting

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this issue to bed for the Tory party, that is the question Stephen

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Crabb, Theresa May, Boris Johnson whoever else might go for it. Andrea

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Leadsom, still a bit of chat about that, possibly still Nicky Morgan

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possibly. After that it is seems to be the divisive issue it has been.

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That depends how long it will take. It depends whether or not, Article

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50 itself is triggered. This is a bit of conspiracy theory but there

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is chatter about some kind of alternative process to Article 50

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being put forward. Is That is Big cash is pushing that And various

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other people. The lawyers say... It is an argument of lawyer, not people

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who have looked at the whole process, what would happen if for

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example, you dropped one piece of the 72 bill, you broke the treaty,

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you triggered, you put uncertainty, I think the Article 50 is what we

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will take, but to come back to Andrew's point, the two things that

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will happen. First we have to resolve the issues, that we have

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been talking about for 20 years, and in that process, Parliament and

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particularly Conservative Party in Parliament will have to come behind

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what the policies are, it will put it to bed but it will take two

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years. I think this illustrates in spades what Brexiteers have done to

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the country. Let me... What do you mean Brexiteers? Let me tell you,

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they charged this country in, they told a myriad of different stories

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but they united unwill dethe line of let us take back control of the

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country. They have got, they are about to take back control of the

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country yet they have no idea what they are going to do. They have

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taken us into this dark place and we are now lost, and on the one hand we

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have the Tory party in Government with no Plan B if there was, if the

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referendum went the wrong way we have Brexiteers with a load of

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different ideas as to where it is we are going to go. We have no

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leadership and we are in a sorry state. None so blind as though who

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will not see. Lots of debates will go on, this will define the future

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of country for year, decades so it is proper, we are in a dedemocracy

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remember, it may be difficult for the Labour Party, we are in a

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democracy, we will make decision, a lot of journalists haven't been

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wanting to cover it... You have no been agreed. There are so many

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different lines. But also the Brexiteers said different thing,

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simply on the issue of immigration, now yeah you are saying different

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things, during the campaign you were saying different things. David

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Cameron's reasons for remaining were different to Jeremy Corbyns. Is

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there a chance that Labour could fight the 2020 election on rejoining

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the EU? First is there going to be 2020? Let us take these things, we

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are in such a state of flux at the moment. Such a state of flux. If you

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feel the way you do about this, let me ask again, is there a chance

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Labour would fight the next election on rejoining the EU? You ask

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hypotheticals to politicians all the time. I don't know how many times

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they answer them. Why don't you break my run and answer it? Let

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us... It is a real issue, a legitimate question. It is a very

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serious question and it needs a serious answer. There is a long way

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to go before we are in that. We have to lose through, what is going to

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happen... You don't rule it out. You are right to ask that question,

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because there is chatter among some Labour MPs about a huge opportunity

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for somebody to come forward as a stop Boris, stop Brexit candidate.

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The Labour Party has much bigger questions to sort out, but there is

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a potential political opportunity there, that is being discussed

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because a small point, this petition calling for a second referendum has

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given potential Labour leadership candidates a whole massive huge big

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list of data of voters who they might be able to get on side if they

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are brave enough to put a stop Brexit campaign together. Very

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interesting. We will see. We haven't had time to ask the real big

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question which is do you think it was worthwhile getting up at 5am

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this morning and getting a train back from Brussels to watch Prime

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Minister's Questions. To sit and talk to you.... That is good.

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Another busy day for you, Laura. Thanks for being with us.

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Let's talk more about the attempts by MPs to remove

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The former acting leader of the Labour Party,

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Margaret Beckett, is in Central Lobby.

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What is happening to your party? My party is in disarray, no doubt about

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it. Over 80% of our members of Parliament have decided it is no

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longer possible to work with our elected leader. But he insists he is

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staying. And if he insists he is staying in his post, what are you

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going to do about it? I suppose there will come a point when people

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have to make a decision as to whether or not there is a challenge.

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For myself, this has been very rushed. At the outset, I thought it

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was a mistake to start this process when it was started. But that has

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been overtaken by events. Over the next 24 hours, I hope Jeremy will

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think again. We will see a reaction from a lot of people who are saying,

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this is not a sustainable situation. You said on the Today programme in

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that vein today that there are people around Jeremy Corbyn who

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would rather see the Labour Party split than for him to go. Who are

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you referring to? Part of the problem is that nobody really knows

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who the people of influence are around Jeremy, because they are on

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the whole a separate group from the Labour Party. But it is clear that

:23:20.:23:27.

some of those who were hoping to express their concerns, without

:23:28.:23:31.

necessarily intending to resign, had it made clear to them that if it

:23:32.:23:34.

came to a choice between Jeremy and the Labour Party, the Labour Party

:23:35.:23:38.

is the one with the problems. Emily Thornberry has said that some people

:23:39.:23:45.

in the Shadow Cabinet and the Labour Party have been thinking about

:23:46.:23:48.

trying to bring Jeremy down for some time. Do you agree? There wasn't any

:23:49.:23:54.

doubt that there are people who were so unhappy at Jeremy's election that

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they have been resentful from the beginning. That is a relatively

:23:58.:24:04.

small group. My perception is that that was a diminishing group, that

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most the party were willing to support him. But they have found it

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not possible to do so. There is still strong evidence that Jeremy

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Corbyn enjoys mass support amongst the membership. If he is on the

:24:19.:24:24.

ballot paper after a leadership challenge and winds, would you

:24:25.:24:30.

advise your colleagues to form a different Labour Party -- if he

:24:31.:24:35.

wins? We are a long way from that. Jeremy was elected overwhelmingly to

:24:36.:24:41.

be leader of the Labour Party. That is a grave responsibility and it is

:24:42.:24:47.

in his hands. In my view, it is his duty as leader of the Labour Party

:24:48.:24:52.

not to put us into an abyss whereby he has no PLP behind him. It is his

:24:53.:24:59.

duty. I'm sorry to say this, but it is his duty to stand aside to save

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the party that has given him everything. Otherwise it will split,

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in your mind? Well, there seem to be people who would rather that it

:25:11.:25:14.

split. Angela Eagle is expected to launch a formal leadership challenge

:25:15.:25:17.

against Jeremy Corbyn. Would you support her? I don't know what will

:25:18.:25:27.

happen. My view is that no one should launch a leadership challenge

:25:28.:25:32.

at this moment in time, because the challenge of leadership is in Jeremy

:25:33.:25:36.

Corbyn's lap, and he should exercise that leadership, and I'm afraid he

:25:37.:25:38.

should go. If he steps down, then there could

:25:39.:25:51.

be an open contest. Where is the danger Margaret Beckett is worried

:25:52.:25:54.

about is that if there is a leadership challenge, Mr Corbyn

:25:55.:26:02.

could be re-elected by the members. Would that not mean that Labour

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could face a historic split? I certainly hope not. As I said at the

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outset, the Labour Party is more than the parliamentary party. We are

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a mass movement one third of a million strong. People throughout

:26:17.:26:21.

the party have responsibilities to the nation. I think the Labour Party

:26:22.:26:30.

is so important in terms of our nation's history and what we have

:26:31.:26:34.

achieved for our people, and it's vital that we stay together. Is it

:26:35.:26:44.

sustainable that the party in the country and the parliamentary party

:26:45.:26:49.

could be so far apart? Isn't that going to lead to a realignment of

:26:50.:26:54.

forces on the left? I certainly hope not. At a time like this, we need to

:26:55.:26:58.

be thinking about the interests of the nation first and foremost. I

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don't think people should be thinking about their individual

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careers. They should be thinking what is best for our nation, which

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is a united Labour Party and a proper opposition, particularly at a

:27:11.:27:15.

time of Brexit, when things are as frightening as they are. This is the

:27:16.:27:19.

worst time in Labour's history since at least the 30s, isn't it? I don't

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know. It is as hard a time as I have had. But you stay in and fight. I

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was born into the Labour Party, I will always stay in the Labour

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Party. For me, the Labour Party is what brings about positive change in

:27:36.:27:39.

our country and we have to stick together. If it continues like this,

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would you not want to go to Mr Corbyn and save the game is up? No.

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Jeremy is his own man. He is strong willed and he has made it clear that

:27:50.:27:55.

he is going to stay. Even if it rips Labour apart? He listens to members

:27:56.:27:59.

around the country and party members and his constituents, and I am sure

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he will take his cue from them. There's just time to put you out

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of your misery and give It was a long while ago, 1970. So,

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Emily, just to cheer you up, press the red buzzer and see what happens.

:28:22.:28:36.

OK! Mark Craven from Cheshire has won. On the subject of support for

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Jeremy Corbyn, Momentum, the grassroots movement that came about

:28:42.:28:45.

after his leadership, they have postponed an event scheduled for

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tonight because there was too much demand. They are looking for a

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bigger venue. Is there going to be a lot of Tory campaigning over the

:28:54.:28:58.

summer? Over August, yes. I thought the Tories were on holiday over

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August. Perhaps they will cancel them. Do you think they will develop

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a mass movement of enthusiastic support for the Tory party?

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The One o'clock news is starting over on BBC One now.

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Jo will be here at 11 o'clock tomorrow morning.

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Just when you think you've got it all sorted...

:29:19.:29:23.

..things don't turn out quite as you'd expected.

:29:24.:29:36.

But then, no-one said it was going to be easy.

:29:37.:29:43.

So, how long have you been living as a woman?

:29:44.:29:46.

Jo Coburn and Andrew Neil with live coverage of Prime Minister's Questions.

Plus the latest from the Conservative and Labour leadership struggles and the aftermath of the Brexit vote.

With MPs David Davis and Emily Thornberry.


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