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At the start of the week he was returned triumphant

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as Labour Party Leader - for a second time.

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Now - with that renewed mandate - he prepares to address

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his party conference - how will he unite

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And tell us how to take Labour intergovernment.

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Afternoon, folks - welcome to this Daily Politics

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special live from Liverpool on the sunny banks of the Mersey.

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So, Jeremy Corbyn left the Conference hotel a few

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minutes ago accompanied by six young people.

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Labour activists. The party has an been inundated by new member since

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Mr Corbyn became leader and many of them young.

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He will get to his feet in about 20 minutes and we're

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expecting him to speak for less than half an hour -

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And if that's the case it will be bit shortest Labour leader speech

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since Disraeli. He'll put the party on an election

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footing and outline ten policy pledges that Labour

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would deliver in government. But Mr Corbyn's bigger task

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is to try to bring the party together after another

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divisive leadership contest. What - if anything -

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will be his olive branch to MPs? And if the snap election that

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Jeremy Corbyn will warn of does materialise,

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what kind of position will the party We'll have Jeremy Corbyn's speech

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live and uninterrupted. That will be in about 20 minutes

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time. is the journalist and commentator,

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Rachel Shabi. Welcome back to the programme.

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What should Mr Corbyn do to reach out to those in the party,

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particularly the MPs that didn't want him as leader? Well, there is a

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couple of things he can do. One, of course, is to focus on the policy

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areas over which they are united. As it turns out there are plenty of

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those. They all agree about having an anti-austerity programme, about

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going big on infrastructure investment, investment in housing,

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support for the welfare state, support for comprehensive schools.

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There are lots of areas over which they can agree. But you are right,

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people who walked away over the summer are going to need a path

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back. They are going to need something to allow them to be able

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to reverse that decision made over the summer. And I would imagine

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Corbyn and his team are now in conversation with various people

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love exactly what can be made, what offers can be made to allow people

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to find a way back into the Shadow Cabinet. Does he need to bring what

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we might call the rebels, does he need to bring some of these

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prominent rebels back into the Shadow Cabinet? I think it depends.

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When he formed his first Shadow Cabinet when first elected as leader

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it was very much a unity cabinet, spanning across all of the diverse

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and varied factions of the Labour Party that have been one family for

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so long. That didn't really work out, and I think one of the reasons

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it didn't work out was some members of the Cabinet were not that unified

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in their approach. There was sniping, briefing to the press that

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was seen as undermining of both the cohesion of the Cabinet, of the

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Shadow Cabinet, and of the leadership itself. Were he to reach

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out across the party in the same way again there would need to be

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guarantees that that would stop, I think. Mr Corbyn's people have

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blamed the bad polling, particularly this summer because label-macro's

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been diverted by a never leadership contest within the space of one

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year. -- Labour's. When this is all behind him does he need to

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demonstrate he can prove the party's opinion poll ratings? Definitely. I

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think the divisions in the party and the fact people have been looking

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for months at a party in disarray are only part of the story in terms

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of the bad polling. Some of it is actually to do with his leadership,

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and I do think he does need to address that. A lot of people that

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I've spoken to in the last few days, people have been previously very

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cynical about his capacity as leader, have said they have seen a

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change. They have said that in the last few months specially he has

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raised his game. It's not perfect yet, it is a long way from that, but

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they are definitely saying they see signs of improvement. I think were

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he to continue along that same path, and at the same time draw on all of

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the wealth and experience that all of the factions of the Labour Party

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have to bring to the table, if they were behind him and enabling him

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with their talents, I think that would also make a big difference. On

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the eve of the conference Andy Burnham, now the outgoing Shadow

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Home Secretary because he's going to run for Mayor of London and

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favourite to win it, sorry, the Mayor of Manchester... As a Labour

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mayor. Sadiq Khan just spilt his Coffey, I think! Andy Burnham

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implied that there was a test -- coffee. That they had to see an

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improvement, because no one, these were his words, at the right to take

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Labour to a overstating defeat, he was referring to 2020. It is that

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realistic now? Is it realistic to think that if things don't get

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better Labour would change its leader again? I don't know. But I

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also think it's a long game. The problem is the Labour Party has had

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in terms of its own electability go beyond Jeremy Corbyn. They have been

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haemorrhaging support among the wider population for some time. They

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have lost two elections. Quite a low share of the vote too. Quite a low

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share of the vote, so the problems they need to address go beyond the

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leadership. They come down to finding a way to re-engage with the

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population, find a way to be engage with people, who for whatever

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reason, have become disillusioned with the Labour Party and whose

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votes they lost, and also the section of the population that just

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has not been interested in politics at all and doesn't vote. One of the

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encouraging thing is about Jeremy Corbyn's leadership is he has

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managed to start to speak to that section of the population. Perhaps

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reinvigorate an interest in politics? Yes. OK, we will talk

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about this and more. This time last year,

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the Labour conference kicked off with the announcement

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of Jeremy Corbyn's This year's conference started

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in similar fashion. But what about the

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intervening 12 months? Here's a reminder of how

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the year unfolded for And so I sent out an e-mail

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to thousands of people and asked them what questions

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they would like to put Public opinion is moving

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increasingly against what I believe to be an ill-thought-out

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rush to war. It is now time for us

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to do our bit in Syria. a politician resigning

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live on television. I've just written to Jeremy Corbyn

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to resign from the frontbench. I think that things

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are being said that have been briefed at and that I have seen

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being briefed at this morning REPORTER: Do you accept this has

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become something of a crisis? We were getting predictions that

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Labour was going to lose councils. Tonight at Ten, tributes

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to the Labour MP Jo Cox who has died after being stabbed and shot

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on a street in West Yorkshire. A real servant of democracy in every

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way one could want or imagine. The British people have spoken

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and the answer is - we're out. For all of this I express more

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sorrow, regret, and apology than I've been joined by the Shadow

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Education Secretary, Angela Rayner. Welcome back on the programme. You

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had two leadership elections in 12 months. Can we take it for granted

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now that if the election is in 2020 Mr Corbyn leads the Labour Party

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into that election? Well, I'm election fatigue in our party at the

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moment like most of our members are and we just want a bit of stability.

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We are all a bit tired now. So is its job done? I hope so, I hope we

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pulled together and lead an opposition to what the Conservative

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government are doing at the moment. I hope we pulled together because I

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think that's what the nation are willing us to do because they want

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to see in a position to be Conservative government and we must

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step up to the mark to be the opposition. At the moment you are

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ten or 12 points behind in the polls. Some of that Mr Corbyn's

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people blame on the fact you've been having your own leadership contest

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inwards. But there is also boundary changes coming up which will not be

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helpful for the Labour Party either. Although you want him to lead into

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the next election, does there come a time if there is no improvement in

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Labour's position, or it even gets worse, that the leadership issue is

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opened again? Jeremy Corbyn must prove himself to the public, no

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question about that. As I've always said respect is earned, not given.

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We got to do that, we have a task ahead of us but I think the general

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public are willing us on, they want Labour to be the opposition party

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then we could be and the government in waiting and we have a long way to

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go to prove that. I'm hoping and now we've had this summer of discontent

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we can unite together and move forward on that basis and give

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Jeremy the chance to lead our party with a big, strong team around him.

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Given the task ahead of you, it is quite a formidable task and the

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boundary changes do make it worse if they go through, and given the

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importance of immigration in the Brexit debate, particularly among

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Northern Labour voters, many of whom voted for Brexit, is it wise for

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your party and Mr Corbyn to take a leadership position on this that

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says he's not concerned about numbers and he doesn't care about

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bringing down immigration numbers? Is that wise? Well, many of my

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constituents talk to me about immigration and their concerns

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around it. I think what has happened is people especially in the north,

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and cities like my area, for example, felt they have taken a

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disproportionate effect from immigration and have not seen the

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investment in the public services, the undercutting of wages and we

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need to deal with those issues first serve the general public can have

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some confidence that actually immigration as a positive effect on

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all of our communities and we all do well from it. Is it wise, was my

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question, to say numbers are not the EC? Andrew, not talking about it is

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not wise either, that's what people are talking about on the doorstep --

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not the issue. Immigration can be good for business and good for the

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UK but it disproportionately affects some areas of the UK and we cannot

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deny that, we have to deal with the SU. Let me try one more time. Is it

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wise, given as you say, numbers are not the EC? What Jeremy said about

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numbers is its like pinning blancmange to the wall, you say one

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number... It disproportionately affects some areas. You may not need

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the same number in my area as you need in another area. The

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fundamental thing governments have failed to do and failed to respond

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to and prepare for immigration and prepare for what the Labour

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workforce needs and housing and services, and when you cut in those

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areas as well, this is the crucial bit, in areas like my area the

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public sector is a large employer and you've cut it back so much as

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well, is it has had this pinching effect on our communities and that

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is where tensions have come. Should there be controls on the numbers?

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Where there is a need for labour and you're making sure that it is not

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under cutting British workers in terms of their wage bill that we've

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got good housing in place, including council housing, it is not a dirty

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word. That's creating an environment for immigrants coming here and those

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that are living here. Should there be controls on the numbers coming?

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We already have controls because we're an island, but what

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happened... Well, we have free movement from the EU at the moment.

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Once we leave the EU should there be controls? There is no infrastructure

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and people can't move into a particular area, but what we have

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seen is a disproportionate effect on some areas and that's why people

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felt it significantly. What we need to be looking at is where we've got

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skills gaps and where we need people to come into work, we should be

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welcoming that, but we have to make sure that the infrastructure is in

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place. Angela Rayner, thank you very much.

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Let's look inside the hall. We welcome viewers from

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the BBC News Channel. Jeremy Corbyn will be giving his

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second keynote address to the party faithful gathered in the hall and to

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the wider public through channels like this as he begins to attempt to

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gel with the wider electorate because at the end, that's what

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matters if you want power, not to win leadership elections, but

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winning the elections in the country and that will be a two-pronged job

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he has to do today. One will be to attempt to try and bring the Labour

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Party together after the divisions over the summer, but begin to build

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a case for why Labour should form the next Government in 2020, should

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that be the time of the election. Not long to go now. We know a little

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bit of what he may say. Let's go over some of that. I'm joined by the

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BBC's assistant political editor, Norman Smith. Norman, it is good to

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see you. Immigration is going to be the big issue in this speech, is it

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not because of what he is not saying? It is not going to be a big

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issue because of what he does say, it is what he doesn't say and the

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build-up to this whole speech. He wanted to, he did want to raise the

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issue of immigration. He wanted to flag up his ideas of bringing back

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the migration impact fund which Gordon Brown introduced. The Tories

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have also committed to having a similar sort of thing, but they have

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not implemented it. They abolished the first one in 2011, but it was

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peanuts? It was 50 million. They only spent, they spent ?23

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billion... ?23 million in 2009 and another ?23 million in 2010 which I

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think you can see is nothing. He is now talking about spending more than

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?50 million is what he's saying, but the issue is, his overnight briefing

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from the spokesman which was so, I mean, it was just there in plaque

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and white, Labour is not about reducing immigration. There is very

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little wriggle room or ambiguity about that, it is straightforward.

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Understandably, it caused considerable alarm amongst many

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Labour MPs because they think it sounds like he is not listening to

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the electorate, it sounds like like two fingers to people who voted for

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Brexit. I mean, I think, it kind of has made what has been Jeremy

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Corbyn's implicit view for a long, long time. He is pretty relaxed

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about levels of immigration. And John McDonnell is too, isn't he? I

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think it kind of reflects a divide in Labour thinking between

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metropolitan Labour and northern Labour. You know, in the big cities,

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there is genuinely a more relaxed view, they take the view that

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immigration leads to a more diverse society and leads to innovation and

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energy, it is a good thing. Very different story in some of the old

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industrial mill towns where there aren't jobs, where there aren't

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businesses ad they are under real pressure. So that sort of issue on

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immigration has exposed the real tensions over Jeremy Corbyn's

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leadership and whether it is too London based. Rachel Shabi is with

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us helping us get through the speech today. Is this a tactical mistake by

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Mr Corbyn? Does it just follow what he has always believed? No, I really

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don't think it is a tactical mistake. I think it is long past

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time that the Labour Party started to talk about this. Look, the

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environment in which we discuss migration now has become so loaded

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and so difficult and that was exacerbated by the way we discussed

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Brexit that it is now very difficult for him to raise the issue that he

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is raising. That doesn't make it wrong, it makes it difficult. The

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truth of the matter, even Theresa May and her Conservative Government

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they though that a cut on migration would be bad for the economy. We all

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know that. Every economist knows that. They cannot say it out loud

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because they know it would not be popular to say it. Any cut? So what

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Jeremy Corbyn is trying to do is shift the focus. He's saying, "Look,

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we understand there are concerns about wage under cutting, about job

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insecurity, access to welfare, and access to house, not being able to

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see your doctor, sending your kid to a packed school." The cause is

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economics and austerity cuts and cutting public services so local

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authorities don't have the a capacity to cope and let's not,

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let's not blame migrants for that. Let's remove the economic causes for

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those concerns. But to do all of that, to build the housing, to

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improve the schools, to create the public services for a rising

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population, which is rising indigenously as well as rising for

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people coming in, don't you need a break until you get these things in

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place? But that's the thing about is that we actually, we don't need a

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break, we need to maintain the levels of migration that we have.

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330,000 net. And most importantly of all in all of this is that even

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people, people who voted for Brexit and people who think there is a

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problem with migration, the majority of those people polled would not be

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prepared to suffer financially as a trade off for a reduction in

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migration, that's what will happen. We need to be honest about saying

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that. I think Jeremy Corbyn is starting to initiate that

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conversation. It is really difficult, it is going against the

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grain. But it is a conversation. Norman Smith, it would seem from the

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briefing that we got that there is almost no talk of any kind of

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controls on EU migration after we leave, but when I interviewed Barry

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Gardener on the Daily Politics at lunch time today, he said there

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would be all manner of quality controls on immigration. To be

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honest, I didn't understand what he was saying. Did you? ? Is he talking

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about some kind of points-based system, is that what he means by

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quality controls that people will be assessed in terms of whether they

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had the right work qualifications, whether they had the educational

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qualifications. I don't know... But that's not the policy, is it? No,

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Jeremy Corbyn has been honest about this that he doesn't really believe

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in controls on EU migration. He does actually believe in freedom of

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movement, his argument there are plenty of Brits living abroad, if we

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start imposing curbs and there will be curbs imposed on them and he

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thinks that we do need large numbers of migrants because of the NHS and

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because of certain industries which rely on foreign labour and because

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of the benefits they bring to the economy. He is not suggesting there

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should be any controls. I'm not sure he would support any controls at

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all. He never articulated when he was asked about it. I mean, more

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broadly, it just seems to me this is an issue which has dogged Labour,

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almost for a decade now. It seems to be such a difficult conversation for

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Labour to have. I mean, you kind of go all the way back to Gordon Brown

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and Gillian Duffy and Ed Miliband and his last conference speech not

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mentioning immigration and now this and it seems to me Labour find it

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very hard to have this conversation about immigration. It is a really

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fraught issue for them and I think the reason for that, if I'm honest,

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is there is a Labour view that bluntly talking about numbers is

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border line racist and I think that's the view of some Labour

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people and that makes it very hard to have this discussion and they are

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still struggling to try and frame a debate which doesn't descend into a

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very, very politically charged one. The Labour Party particularly Mr

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Corbyn, has said that they need to be geared up for a quick election.

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There could be one happening early next year and that's a good thing if

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you want to promote unity. An election concentrates the mind, but

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it creates a problem for them too, because if they think that they will

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need to firm up on their policies and not just speak in slogans and

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that hasn't happened? No, Labour is travelling slogan heavy and policy

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light. We have had plenty of as ppiration and peace and justice. In

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terms of nitty-gritty, well, how is this going to be achieved? Well, we

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don't have much insight. I mean, I think, the general election plea

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warning is by and large a unity gambit. Just to say to Labour MPs,

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"For God's sake not have all this wrangling because we could be on the

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cusp of a general election." I'm not sure he actually believes in a few

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months we could be plunged into a general election. Theresa May has

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signalled she does not want to go down that road. It is harder than in

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previous years because of the fixed term Parliament Act. MPs would have

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to vote for an election? Indeed. It is part of Jeremy Corbyn's attempt

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to try and hold this party together at least in the short to medium-term

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because as you say if we were to go into a general election now, you've

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got a party which has been through the most acrimonious and difficult

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leadership contest with precious little detail in terms of policy

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with a leader who is still reviled by a significant part of his

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Parliamentary party. Reviled, is that an accurate enough word? It

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maybe overstating it, but there are members of his Parliamentary party

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who are never going to be reconciled to his leadership because they

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believe he has taken the Labour Party over a cliff. The John

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McDonnell speech, the Shadow Chancellor on Monday, a little bit

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of it was overshadowed when there was the argument about Clive Lewis

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and the changing of his speech on Trident, but at the centre of

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Labour's new chick policy is a massive increase in public

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investment to be financed largely by borrowing on the public purse. For a

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party that lost two elections in a row because it was seen to be profly

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gate with the public finances, how do you square that? As with

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everything else when it come to the Labour Party there is a lot of work

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to do. There is a lot of narrative shift that needs to take place in

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terms of public perception. As you rightly point out, there is a

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perception that the Labour Party is not that good with money basically.

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It can't be trusted with the economy. For some reason that

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narrative has become true or been perceived as true even though there

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is nothing to suggest that's the case. On the other hand, what we're

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looking at, we're looking at the Labour Party now trying to combat

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with an economic policy. That's a direct challenge to economics that

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have blatantly been seen to fail, not just with the economic crash,

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but with the fact that people are struggling. Wages are stagnating.

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People who are working very, very hard end up just standing still,

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going slowly backwards. Their kids aren't able to get houses or jobs.

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They can't afford university tuition fees. Everything is stagnant and

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people are waking up to the fact that an economic system is failing

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too many people. So what the Labour Party is trying to do and what this

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economic programme is about, is to try and reverse that. It is to try

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and address it. It is actually in line with a leading economist who

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are saying the same thing. You had too much austerity and liberalism is

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failing, we need to invest. We need to invest in public infrastructure.

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We need to invest in housing. The Government needs to borrow and

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invest in order to boost the economy. That's isn't a radical

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idea. That's become a centrist economic approach.

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We expect to hear from Mr Corbyn in at 2. .20pm. That's the Corbyn case

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for what is being done. Britain moved up to become the seventh most

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competitive economy in the world. All the countries that are still

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ahead of it, Singapore, Switzerland, the United States, Germany, none of

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them do what you've just said. Yes. But Britain is doing great as an

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economic power as you say, but it is doing really, really badly as

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sharing that economy around. Record unemployment? There is no need for

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foodbanks in a country that's one of the wealthiest in the world. There

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is no need for one in three children to be living below the poverty line.

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So it's not about the fact that Britain isn't a good economy, it is.

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But it is about finding a way to redistribute that and stop the

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rampant inequality that's caused so much hardship and so much pain for

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so many people. Norman Smith, we hear Rachel said it earlier in the

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programme that on so many policies Labour is united, Trident is an

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obvious one, that it is not, but on many other issues Labour is united.

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Is that true though in general of the debt financed public investment

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programme on the scale that Mr McDon't aland Mr Corbyn have been

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talking about, it is ?250 billion and sometimes ?500 billion depending

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on the article or the speech you read. Is there really unity on that?

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The deficit, which was like one of the defining issues in the run-up to

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the last election seems to have gone awol. I have not heard anyone really

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talking about the deficit here and if you think, you know, Ed Miliband,

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got slaughtered at his last conference speech, when he forgot to

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mention the deficit. I don't know whether John McDonnell mentioned it,

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maybe he did, it really has dropped off the political... George Osborne

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has stopped talking about it since Brexit. Isn't that why nobody is

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talking about? Not Conservatives, not the Labour Party. It is no

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longer an issue, is it? What has changed is the way the

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Labour Party is racking up a lot of bills and we have no clear idea how

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they will be paid for. If you go to the policies we have had, say in an

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area like education, with tuition fees being scrapped, maintenance

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grants coming back, CMAs coming back and there is a whole load of

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spending and we have no idea how it will be paid for. -- DMA. Whereas we

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previously had an environment where everyone had to think about the

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constraints of how much of the deficit we have, that is out of the

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window and does not form part of the economic argument. I was struck

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yesterday when Jeremy Corbyn was asked about the 500 billion figure

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and someone said to him, where did you get that figure? Is it just a

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nice round figure? And you wonder if the 500 billion figure has been

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plucked from anywhere without any solid analysis of where the cash

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will come from. I think there has been a total mind shift within

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Labour of balancing the deficit and now coming out with lots of

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extensive spending pledges which we don't know how they will be paid

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for. We will be drilling down on them when the Tories come out with

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the Autumn Statement. Although the deficit may not be up there as the

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most important economic indicator, which it was under Mr Osborne, Mr

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Hammond is not the kind of Chancellor who will forget about the

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deficit altogether. We were told the speech would start at 2020, it is

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now 2032, we were told it would be 20 minutes and now it's going to be

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50 minutes. He's probably listen to this discussion, and thought I would

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add in that point, Rachel made a very good point them let me add that

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income and even that too and if it carries on like this we could be

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here until midnight on this. With got the Tories next week. The next

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big economic event for us will be the Autumn Statement on November 23.

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We will see then, will we not, as Rachel said the deficit not at the

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centre, just what position it is now in under the May - Hammond

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government. That's absolutely true, everything changed with Brexit and

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Theresa May has said we don't have to worry about having a surplus by

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2020, Phillip Hammond has said they will have to make fiscal

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adjustments. The whole centre of gravity politically has changed from

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deficit reduction to post Brexit. That has changed everything and the

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focus now is on, what on earth will life be like outside the EU from

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previous sort of objective which was clawing our way back to balancing

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the books. That is not what we are about. That is a total game change.

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I mean, at the end of the day, I'm sure someone will have to start

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saying, OK, the deficit is going up, what will be done? You cannot put it

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off for ever and a day. Somewhere along the line we must address it,

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even in a post Brexit climate, it can't be put off for ever. The whole

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discussion which takes place, even with the Conservative saying we will

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not shoot for a surplus anymore and relaxed the fiscal conservatism. Mr

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McDonnell saying we will borrow 250, maybe 300, maybe 500, all of that is

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predicated on interest rates being low. Interest rates are low at the

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moment, historic lows. You can buy, governments can get debt ten years

:34:27.:34:32.

forward at .8%, the yield is very low, but this borrowing will be done

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in 2021 and we have no idea what interest rates will be by then. If

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they were hyped it would scupper all of this thinking. To a certain

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extent. A lot of this is premised, it is interest rates, as you say,

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but also the idea that you need to invest in order to generate income,

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it's not just that it's going to create jobs and therefore taxes and

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therefore an increased budget, it's that there is going to be more money

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circulating in the economy. This is nothing new. These are fairly sort

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of Keynesian -based mixed economy... This is nothing new, fairly centrist

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stuff we are talking about, just at the economic conversation has

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shifted so far to the right that maybe it sounds a bit odd but it's

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actually fairly ordinary, regular stuff. What you were talking about

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in terms of a post Brexit economy, I think this is one of the key areas.

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Sorry to interrupt, the Hillsborough campaigner Sheila Coleman is

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introducing the pre-video. We don't carry videos of any of the party

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conferences so we will leave the delegates to watch that and then we

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expect Mr Corbyn to start his speech and we will go straight into the

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hall for that. Sorry to interrupt. The Brexit issued you rightly raised

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was one of the best ways you could focus the Labour government, wishful

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thinking, the Labour Party! Right now, especially if they do think

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there will be a snap election. But the Conservatives are in disarray

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over Brexit, is it going to be hard, is it going to be soft? Single

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Market, not Single Market, they seemed to be clueless. I'm not sure

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what Labour's policy will be, you could file them both under C4

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clueless. That could be a unifying matter for Labour, they are much

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more unified than the Conservatives. Brexit is a gift for Labour, to me,

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because if you look at the Conservative Party, how many times

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have we been here again and again? Premierships have been undone by the

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iceberg of Europe and it seems to me that Theresa May must come up with a

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deal and although she doesn't give a running commentary somewhere down

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the line she has got to put down - this is what I'm suggesting. At that

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moment she must turn to her party and say- look at the deal I've got.

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There will be hard Brexit is who say "Is that it?" There is a moment when

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she has got to meet her party and sell it to her party. If team Corbyn

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can get their act together, if they can bring the Labour Party together

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that is an opportunity for them when they can pile in. But you have to

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say, given the week that they've just had, the tensions,

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difficulties, divisions and doubts over Mr Corbyn, it's an awfully big

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ask to think they are going to be in that position to see is that moment.

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We heard a policy from Mr McDonnell, still to be fleshed out, we will

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hear some policy from Mr Corbyn too, although from what I've seen still

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quite in headline terms. But is there not a danger that for Labour

:37:44.:37:47.

still there is a battle going on in the NEC, there could be a battle for

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the bureaucracy, including the regional leaders, boundary changes

:37:53.:37:58.

and creating an automatic selection process for MPs. On Saturday Jeremy

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Corbyn won a thumping great majority but the battle for the soul of the

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Labour Party is still raging. It is very far from over and moderates and

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centrists, call them what you will, they have not vanished over the

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horizon. They are gradually getting their act together. You do not think

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they are in retreat? They took a step back, of course. They lost the

:38:23.:38:25.

leadership election, they tried everything to stop Jeremy Corbyn,

:38:26.:38:29.

rule changes, keeping him off the ballot paper, stampeding him into

:38:30.:38:32.

resigning with the resignations but in a way they have grasped the

:38:33.:38:36.

gravity of their plight and they are beginning to organise. Tom Watson's

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speech yesterday was interesting with the pretty direct criticism of

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Jeremy Corbyn, likewise with Sadiq Khan. They have won the

:38:44.:38:58.

tussle over the NEC. I think they go away from this, not with their tail

:38:59.:39:02.

between their legs, yes, they have been batted, but the feeling they

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take away from this is we've got to do what team Corbyn does, we've got

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to organise. They are now talking a bit Momentum light with groups

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around the country to support MPs under pressure. So, again on, it's

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not all going Jeremy Corbyn's way. There are significant forces trying

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to claw back ground. The battle for the future of the Labour Party is

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far from over. Rachel Shabi, do you think we will see some bloody

:39:23.:39:29.

battles on the reselection - deselection front in certain

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constituencies? No I think there has been exaggerated. I don't think

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Jeremy Corbyn... He has specifically said we're not talking about

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deselection. I understand some local MPs might feel nervous about that

:39:44.:39:47.

but I do think there is a bigger picture here. It's a bit like

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running an organisation where there has been a culture change. Some

:39:51.:39:55.

people don't like the change and they will moan about it. Some at the

:39:56.:39:59.

top don't represent that change. The idea is to bring people with you,

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that is the idea, to bring people with you in the change but if they

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continue to resist it what do you do? Maybe we will find out in a

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minute. Let's go straight to the hall where the video has finished

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and Mr Corbyn is about to be introduced, the delegates are

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welcoming Mr Gobern, he's won to leadership elections in 12 months.

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-- Mr Corbyn. He will speak for 50 minutes which will take us to 3:30pm

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and then we will analyse what he has had to say afterwards. But we are

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going to bring you, as we always do, the leader's speech from all of the

:40:47.:40:51.

major party conferences live and uninterrupted. Let's dip into the

:40:52.:40:55.

hall as Mr Corbyn takes the applause and begins his address to the party

:40:56.:41:01.

faithful and to the wider electorate beyond.

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Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the Labour Party.

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CHANTING : yes you can.

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JEREMY CORBYN: thank you. Thank you so much for that welcome and that

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introduction. This hole is absolutely packed here today in

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Liverpool and we've even got an overspill down the road. I want to

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say thank you to everyone that is here today.

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I want, also, before I go into my speech, to say a huge thank you to

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all the staff of this conference Centre who have made us so welcome

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and worked so hard here today. I want to say thank you to all of

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our Labour Party staff for all of the work they've put in for this

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conference today and all the other days.

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And I want to say a big thank you to my own staff in my office in my

:42:27.:42:36.

constituency and in Parliament for the huge support they give me and

:42:37.:42:38.

give our party all the year round. But I've got to slightly correct

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myself because I did say the whole is completely packed. Well, I got a

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message on the way in from Virgin Trains.

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LAUGHTER They have assured me there are 800

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empty seats in the hall. APPLAUSE

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Either way, conference, it's a huge pleasure to be holding our party's

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annual conference at this fantastic city. The city of Liverpool that

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shaped our country, economy, culture and music. Liverpool has always been

:43:20.:43:25.

central to the Labour Party and our movement. And I know some people say

:43:26.:43:32.

campaigns and protests don't change things. But the Hillsborough

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families have shown just how wrong that is.

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It's taken 27 years, but those families have shown with great

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courage and dignity, finally, that you can get truth and justice for

:43:57.:44:01.

the 96 who died. I want to pay tribute to all the families and

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campaigners for their solidarity, their commitment and their love.

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Thank you. And, as Andy Burnham put it to

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conference this morning, we must learn from them, and we promised

:44:22.:44:26.

those campaigning for justice, for all grieve, for Shrewsbury Town for

:44:27.:44:31.

thousands of workers blacklisted for being trade unionists, we will

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support your battles for truth and justice and when we return to

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government we will make sure you have both.

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Because winning justice for all and changing society for the benefit of

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all is the heart of what Labour is about. So, yes, our party is about

:44:58.:45:03.

campaigning, and it's about protest too. But most of all it's about

:45:04.:45:09.

winning power in local and national government, to deliver the real

:45:10.:45:11.

change our country so desperately needs.

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That's why the central task of the whole Labour Party, the whole Labour

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Party, must be to rebuild trust and support to win the next general

:45:29.:45:31.

election. APPLAUSE And form the next

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Government. That is the Government I'm determined to lead to win power

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for change, for Britain for the benefit of working people.

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APPLAUSE Everyone of us in this hall today

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knows that we will only get there if we work together and I think it is

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fair to say after what we've been through these past few months it

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hasn't always been exactly the case. Those months have been a testing

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time for the whole party. First, the horrific murder of Jo Cox, followed

:46:13.:46:16.

by the shock of the referendum result and then the tipping over of

:46:17.:46:21.

divisions in Parliament into the leadership contest that ended last

:46:22.:46:28.

Saturday. Jo's killing was a hate-filled attack on democracy that

:46:29.:46:33.

shocked the whole country. Jo Cox didn't just believe in loving her

:46:34.:46:38.

neighbour. She believed in loving her neighbour's neighbour and that

:46:39.:46:42.

every life counted and as Jo said in her maiden speech as an MP, we have

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far more in common with each other than things that divide us. Let that

:46:52.:46:56.

essential truth guide us as we come together again to challenge this

:46:57.:47:00.

Tory Government, and its shaky grip on power.

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APPLAUSE In Jo's memory, thanks for everything she did and thanks to her

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family and all her close friends por all they've been through and the

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solidarity they've shown together. So we may all learn from her life.

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APPLAUSE We've also lost good MPs like Michael Meacher and Harry

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Harpen, they were Labour through and through, passionate campaigners for

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a better world. Let me also pay a particular tribute

:47:40.:47:43.

to those Parliamentary colleagues who stepped forward in the summer to

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fill the gaps in the Shadow Cabinet. APPLAUSE And ensure that Labour

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could function as an effective opposition in Parliament. They

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actually didn't seek office, but they stepped up when their party and

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in fact the country needed them to serve. They all deserve the respect

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and gratitude of our party and movement and this conference should

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thank them today. They are our future.

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APPLAUSE We've just had our second leadership

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election within a year. It had its fraught moments, of course, not only

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for Owen Smith and me, and I hope we don't make a habit of it!

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LAUGHTER But there have been some up sides to

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it, over 150,000 new members have joined our party.

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APPLAUSE Young rising stars have shone on the

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frontbench and we found that the party is more united on policy than

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we would ever have guessed. I'm honoured, deeply honoured to have

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been re-elected by our party a second time with an even bigger

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mandate. APPLAUSE But we all have lessons to

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learn and a responsibility to do things better and to work together

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more effectively. I will lead in learning those lessons and I'd like

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to thank Owen too for the campaign and for his work as Shadow Work and

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Pensions secretary. APPLAUSE

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And also, of course, to the Labour Party staff, our own teams and the

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brilliant teams that support all of our members of Parliament and our

:50:05.:50:07.

party around the country. One lesson is that there is a responsibility on

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all of us to take care with our rhetoric. Respect democratic

:50:14.:50:18.

decisions, respect our differences and respect each other. We know that

:50:19.:50:24.

robust debate has at times spilled over into abuse and hate around our

:50:25.:50:29.

country. Including miss son-in-lawing knee

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country. Including miss APPLAUSE We have more of our fellow

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citizens in our party than all the other political parties in Britain

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put together. APPLAUSE

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Some may see this as a threat, but I see it as a vast democratic

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resource. Our hugely increased membership is part of a movement

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that can take Labour's message into every community and win support for

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the election of a Labour Government. APPLAUSE Each and every one of these

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new members is welcome in our party. And after a ten year absence, we

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welcome back the Fire Brigades' Union into our party and to our

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conference. APPLAUSE We are reuniting the Labour

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family, but I want to also if I may to say thank you to the firefighters

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and indeed all of the public sector workers who worked so hard to save

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people during the floods last winter. Thank you for everything you

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do. APPLAUSE

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And over the past year, we've shown what Labour can do when the party

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stands together. At conference a year ago, I launched our campaign

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against cuts to tax credits and we succeeded in knocking this

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Government back. APPLAUSE

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This year, this year, three million families are over ?1,000 better off

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because Labour stood together. APPLAUSE

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In the Budget, the Government tried to take away billions from disabled

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people, but we defeated them on that.

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APPLAUSE And we won all four Parliamentary by-elections and I

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welcome our new colleagues into Parliament and the great victories

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they achieved. APPLAUSE

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In the May elections, we overtook the Tories to become the largest

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party nationally. We won back London with a massive win for Sadiq Khan,

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the first Muslim Mayor of A western capital city. My congratulations

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Sidique for that incredible win. APPLAUSE

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And we won the Bristol mayor for the first time.

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APPLAUSE The first black Mayor of Any

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European city. My congratulations to Marvin. And we also won the mayor in

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Salford and right here in Liverpool. Congratulations.

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That's the road of advance we have to return to if we're going to

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challenge the Tories for power and turn the huge growth in the Labour

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Party into electoral support we need right across Britain.

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There is no doubt that my election as Labour leader a year ago and

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re-election this month grew out of a thirst for a new kind of politics

:55:28.:55:31.

and a conviction that the old way of running the economy in the country

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isn't delivering for more and more people. It's not, I promise you

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about me, of course, or unique to Britain, but across Europe, and

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North America and elsewhere, people are fed-up with the so-called

:55:47.:55:53.

free-market system that has produced grotesque inequality, stagnating

:55:54.:55:57.

living standards, and many calamitous foreign wars out end and

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a political stitch-up which leaves the vast majority of people shut out

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of power. Since the crash of 2008, the demand for an alternative and an

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end to counter productive austerity has led to the rise of new movements

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and parties in one country after another. But in Britain, it has

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happened in a different way. In the heart of traditional politics, in

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the Labour Party. Which is something we should be extremely proud of. It

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is exactly what Labour was founded for, to be the voice of the many of

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social justice and progressive change from the bottom up.

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APPLAUSE But it also means it is no good

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harking back to the tired old economic and political fixes of 20

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and 30 years ago because they won't work anymore. The old model is

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broken. We're in a new era. That demands a politics and economics

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that meets the needs of our own time.

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Actually, even Theresa May gets it, sort of!

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LAUGHTER That people want change, that's why

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she stood on the steps of Downing Street and talked about the

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inequalities and burning injustice in today's Britain.

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LAUGHTER Well, she said it!

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LAUGHTER In fact, she promise add country

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that works not for a privileged few, but for every one of us.

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But even if she manages to talk the talk, there are problems about

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walking the walk! This isn't a new Government. It's

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David Cameron's Government repackaged with progressive slogans,

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but with a new harsh right-wing edge. Taking the country backwards

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and dithering before the historic challenges of Brexit.

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APPLAUSE Who seriously believes that the Tories could ever stand up to

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the privileged few? They are the party of the privileged

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few. APPLAUSE

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Funded by the privileged few, for the benefit of the privileged few.

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APPLAUSE Theirs is a party after all that now

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wants to force through an undemocratic boundary review based

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on an out of date version of the electoral register with nearly two

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million voters missing. They've dressed it up as a bid to cut the

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cost of politics. By abolishing 50 constituencies, but the ?12 million

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savings are dwarfed by the expense of the 260 peers David Cameron

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appointed at a cost of ?34 million a year.

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APPLAUSE It's nothing more than a sin deal attempt to gerrymander the

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next election. APPLAUSE

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And this is from a Prime Minister who was elevated to a job without a

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single vote being cast after a pantomime fuss which saw one leading

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Tory after another falling on their swords. When I meet Theresa May

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across the dispatch box I know that only one of us has been elected to

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the office they hold by the votes of a third of a million people.

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APPLAUSE In any case, the Tories are simply

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incapable of responding to the breakdown of the old economic model

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because that failed model is absolutely in their political DNA.

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It is what they deliver every time they're in Government. Tory

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Governments deregulate, they outsource and privatise and stand by

:00:23.:00:26.

as inequality grows. They have cut taxes for the privileged few and

:00:27.:00:30.

sold off our national assets, calls on the cheap and turned a blind eye

:00:31.:00:35.

to their chronic tax avoidance. They're so committed to the

:00:36.:00:40.

interests of the very richest, they've recruited Sir Philip Green

:00:41.:00:48.

into Government as an efficiency tsar, I'm not sure what a an

:00:49.:00:53.

efficiency tsar does, Government might be more efficient if the super

:00:54.:00:57.

rich like Sir Philip actually paid their taxes.

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APPLAUSE when government steps back there are

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consequences for every one of us. What's happened to housing under the

:01:22.:01:25.

Tories. House-building has fallen to the lowest level since the 1920s,

:01:26.:01:29.

nearly a century ago. Homeownership is falling as more people are priced

:01:30.:01:37.

out of the market. Evictions, and disgracefully homelessness and a

:01:38.:01:41.

rough sleeping go up month after month, year after year. Council

:01:42.:01:46.

homes are being sold off without being replaced. And another

:01:47.:01:50.

consequence of that is that we, all of us, are paying over ?9 billion a

:01:51.:01:54.

year to private landlords in housing benefit to pay the rent. Instead of

:01:55.:02:01.

spending public money on building council housing we are subsidising

:02:02.:02:05.

private landlords. That's wasteful, inefficient, and frankly poor

:02:06.:02:08.

government. So, Labour will, as Teresa Pearce

:02:09.:02:22.

said, build over 1 million new homes, at least half of them council

:02:23.:02:26.

homes and we will control private rents so we can give every British

:02:27.:02:29.

family that basic human rights, decent home.

:02:30.:02:32.

It's the same in the jobs market. Without proper employment regulation

:02:33.:02:43.

there has been an explosion of temporary, insecure jobs. Nearly 1

:02:44.:02:49.

million people on zero-hours contracts not knowing what their

:02:50.:02:54.

earnings are going to be. There are now 6 million working people earning

:02:55.:02:58.

less than the Living Wage and the poverty amongst those in work is at

:02:59.:03:04.

record levels. That didn't happen by accident. The Tories have torn up

:03:05.:03:09.

employment rights, and deliberately tried to weaken the organisations

:03:10.:03:14.

that get people justice in work, the trade unions.

:03:15.:03:16.

Of course, trade unions are not taking this lying down. Look at the

:03:17.:03:29.

great campaign Unite has waged at Sports Direct to get justice for

:03:30.:03:30.

exploited workers. And hold Mike Ashley to account.

:03:31.:03:41.

That is why Labour will repeal the trade union act and set unions free

:03:42.:03:45.

to do their jobs defending and supporting their members and rights

:03:46.:03:46.

at work. And we will raise the minimum wage

:03:47.:04:18.

to a real Living Wage that brings working people out of poverty and we

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will ban zero-hours contracts, as John McDonnell...

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APPLAUSE ... John McDonnell, our Shadow

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Chancellor and Ian Lavery set this out very clearly at conference this

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week. And then there is the scandal of the privatised railways.

:04:34.:04:38.

More public subsidy than under the days of British rail, all going to

:04:39.:04:45.

private firms, and more delays, more cancellations, and on top of that

:04:46.:04:50.

the highest fares in Europe. That's why the great majority of British

:04:51.:04:54.

people back Labour's plan set out so well by Andrew McDonald this week to

:04:55.:04:59.

take the railways back into public ownership.

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But if you want the most spectacular example of what happens when

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government steps back, the global banking crash is an object lesson of

:05:27.:05:31.

greed and speculation and deregulation that crashed economies

:05:32.:05:35.

across the globe and required the biggest ever government intervention

:05:36.:05:39.

and public bailout in history. Millions of ordinary families paid

:05:40.:05:46.

the price of that failure. I pledge that Labour will never let a few

:05:47.:05:49.

reckless bankers wreck our economy again.

:05:50.:05:53.

So, Labour is offering solutions during this summer's leadership

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campaign I set out ten pledges which I believe can be the platform of our

:06:09.:06:12.

party's programme for the next election. They were put a conference

:06:13.:06:16.

yesterday in an NEC statement. They lay out the scope of the change we

:06:17.:06:22.

need to see. For full employment, a homes Guaranty, security at work, a

:06:23.:06:26.

strong, public National Health Service and social care, a national

:06:27.:06:33.

education service for all, action on climate change, public ownership and

:06:34.:06:38.

control of our services, the cut in inequality of income and wealth,

:06:39.:06:42.

action to secure an equal society and peace and justice at the heart

:06:43.:06:44.

of our foreign policy. Don't worry, Conference, they are

:06:45.:07:00.

not the Ten Commandments. I haven't come down from the mountain with

:07:01.:07:06.

them. They are here already and they will now, of course, go to the

:07:07.:07:09.

national policy Forum and the whole party needs to build on them, all

:07:10.:07:14.

our brilliant members have ideas, imagination and inspiration. We want

:07:15.:07:20.

to hear to have your help on refining those policies, and above

:07:21.:07:24.

all, take them out of the people of this country, take them out so that

:07:25.:07:28.

we get support on them. But those ten pledges, the core of the

:07:29.:07:31.

platform on which I was re-elected will now form the framework of what

:07:32.:07:36.

the Labour Party will campaign for and what the Labour government will

:07:37.:07:41.

do. Together, they show the direction of change we are

:07:42.:07:45.

determined to take command outline a programme to rebuild and transform

:07:46.:07:51.

Britain. They are rooted in traditional Labour values and

:07:52.:07:55.

objectives. But they are shaped to meet the challenges of the

:07:56.:08:02.

21st-century. They are values Labour is united on. They reflect the views

:08:03.:08:06.

and aspirations of the majority of our people, and they are values our

:08:07.:08:11.

country can and will support as soon as they are given the chance to do

:08:12.:08:12.

it. These pledges are not just words.

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Already across the country Labour councils are putting Labour values

:08:25.:08:28.

into action in a way that makes a real difference to the millions of

:08:29.:08:31.

people, despite cynical government funding cuts that have hit Labour

:08:32.:08:36.

councils, often representing the poorest parts of the country five

:08:37.:08:39.

times as hard as Tory run areas. Good examples like Nottingham City

:08:40.:08:53.

Council setting up the not for profit Robin Hood energy company to

:08:54.:08:55.

provide affordable energy. Or Cardiff bus company taking

:08:56.:09:05.

100,000 customers every day publicly owned with a passenger panel to hold

:09:06.:09:10.

its directors to account. APPLAUSE

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Or Preston council working to favour local procurement and keep money in

:09:15.:09:18.

the town. Or Newcastle council providing free

:09:19.:09:23.

Wi-Fi in 69 public buildings across the city.

:09:24.:09:25.

Or Croydon council which has set up the company to build 1000 new homes,

:09:26.:09:29.

and as Councillor Alison Butler said we can no longer afford to sit back

:09:30.:09:34.

and let the market take its course. Or Glasgow, that has established a

:09:35.:09:39.

high quality and flexible working places for start-up, high-growth

:09:40.:09:43.

companies in dynamic new sectors. For, right here in Liverpool, set to

:09:44.:09:47.

be at the global forefront of a new wave of technology - the ?50 million

:09:48.:09:56.

business hub that aims to create 300 start-up businesses and 1000 jobs

:09:57.:10:00.

over the next decade. There are many other examples. It's a proud Labour

:10:01.:10:05.

record, each and every Labour councillor deserves our heartfelt

:10:06.:10:09.

thanks for the work they do and the difficulties they endure in doing

:10:10.:10:10.

it. But I want to go further because we

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want local government to go further and put public enterprise back into

:10:25.:10:27.

the heart of our economy and services to meet the needs of local

:10:28.:10:33.

communities. Municipal socialism for the 21st-century as an engine of

:10:34.:10:37.

local growth and development. That's why I'm announcing that Labour will

:10:38.:10:41.

remove the artificial borrowing cap and allow councils to borrow against

:10:42.:10:47.

their housing stock. That single measure alone...

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APPLAUSE ... That single measure alone would

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allow them to build an extra 12,000 council homes a year. Labour

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councils increasingly have a policy of in-house as the preferred

:11:08.:11:11.

provider and many councils have brought bin collections, cleaners

:11:12.:11:16.

and IT services back in-house in sourcing privatised contracts to

:11:17.:11:21.

save money for council taxpayers and ensure good terms and conditions for

:11:22.:11:23.

their staff. I have said that Labour will put

:11:24.:11:37.

security at work and employment and union rights from day one, centre

:11:38.:11:41.

stage. But one in six workers in Britain are now self-employed. Their

:11:42.:11:47.

right to value their independence but for too many it comes with

:11:48.:11:51.

insecurity and a woeful lack of rights. So we will review

:11:52.:11:54.

arrangements for self-employed people, including Social Security

:11:55.:11:59.

that self-employed people pay for in their taxes yet aren't fully covered

:12:00.:12:04.

by it. We will ensure that successful innovators have access to

:12:05.:12:09.

the finance necessary to take their ideas to the next level, grow their

:12:10.:12:14.

businesses and generate employment. So as part of our workplace 2020

:12:15.:12:19.

review we will make sure that our tax and social security arrangements

:12:20.:12:23.

are fit for the 21st-century, consulting with self-employed

:12:24.:12:26.

workers and the Federation of Small Business is.

:12:27.:12:29.

If the Tories are the party of cuts and short-term as an, Labour is the

:12:30.:12:41.

party of investing for the future. With the same level of investment as

:12:42.:12:53.

other major economies we could be so much more, unlock so much skill,

:12:54.:13:00.

ingenuity and wealth. That's why we will establish a national investment

:13:01.:13:05.

bank at the heart of our plan to rebuild and transform this country.

:13:06.:13:10.

And we will borrow to invest at historically low interest rates to

:13:11.:13:14.

generate far greater returns. It would be foolish not to because that

:13:15.:13:19.

investment is expanding the economy and the income it generates for us

:13:20.:13:24.

all in the process. Even this government, after years of austerity

:13:25.:13:27.

and savage cuts is starting to change its tune. I'm not content

:13:28.:13:34.

with accepting second class broadband. Not content with creaking

:13:35.:13:40.

railways. Not content with seeing the United States and Germany

:13:41.:13:44.

investing in cutting-edge and green technologies, while we lag behind.

:13:45.:13:48.

Last year, for example, the Prime Minister promised a universal

:13:49.:13:54.

service obligation of 10 megabytes broadband. But since then the

:13:55.:13:59.

government has done nothing, letting down entrepreneurs, businesses and

:14:00.:14:02.

families, especially those in rural areas that want to grow the economy.

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That's why we have set out proposals for in national investment bank with

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500 billion of investment to bring our broadband, railways, our housing

:14:14.:14:17.

and our energy infrastructure up to scratch.

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A country that doesn't invest is a country that has given up, that has

:14:20.:14:34.

taken the path of managed decline. A Labour government will never accept

:14:35.:14:35.

second best for this country. Our country's history is based on

:14:36.:14:50.

individual ingenuity and collective endeavour. We other country of Ada

:14:51.:14:56.

Lovelace, Alan Turing, Tim Berners-Lee, is about Kingdom Brunel

:14:57.:15:01.

and the George Stephenson, Eric Laithwaite, brilliant people that

:15:02.:15:08.

created and develop so much. But the Tories have turned their back on

:15:09.:15:12.

this proud British tradition. They have put privatisation and cutting

:15:13.:15:18.

spending first. Britain now spends less on research as a share of

:15:19.:15:22.

national income than France, Germany and the US and China. A Labour

:15:23.:15:27.

government will bring research and development up to 3% of GDP.

:15:28.:15:31.

Yesterday Rebecca Long-Bailey set out the terms of our industrial

:15:32.:15:48.

strategy review. We need an economy that works for every part of this

:15:49.:15:53.

country so that no community is left behind. And today I'm asking

:15:54.:15:59.

everyone, businesses, academics, workers, trade unions, and anyone

:16:00.:16:02.

who cares about our future prosperity to have a say in that

:16:03.:16:06.

review. We are a wealthy country, not just in terms of money. We are

:16:07.:16:11.

rich in talent, Rich in potential, that's why we have proposed a

:16:12.:16:15.

comprehensive national education service at the heart of our

:16:16.:16:19.

programme for government to deliver high quality education for all

:16:20.:16:20.

throughout our lives. Education has always been a core

:16:21.:16:45.

Labour value. From the time of the MP for Jarrow and a national

:16:46.:16:49.

education system will be an essential part of a 21st estate.

:16:50.:16:57.

People need to upgrade their skills without falling into debt. Britain

:16:58.:17:02.

falls behind others in productivity, partly that's about investing in

:17:03.:17:05.

technology and infrastructure and partly it is about investing in

:17:06.:17:10.

people and their skills. How can we build and expand the sectors of the

:17:11.:17:15.

future without a skilled workforce? But this Conservative Government has

:17:16.:17:20.

slashed adult education budgets. Taking away opportunities for people

:17:21.:17:24.

to develop their skills and leaving businesses struggling to find the

:17:25.:17:27.

skilled workforce they need to succeed. So today, I'm offering

:17:28.:17:32.

business a new settlement. A new deal to rebuild Britain. Under

:17:33.:17:38.

Labour, we will provide the investment to rebuild Britain's

:17:39.:17:41.

infrastructure. We will fund that investment because it will lead to a

:17:42.:17:45.

more productive economy. Providing the basis on which our economy and

:17:46.:17:50.

our businesses can thrive. Helping to provide over one million good

:17:51.:17:53.

jobs and opportunities for businesses. But investment in

:17:54.:17:58.

capital must include investment in human capital. The skilled workers

:17:59.:18:02.

needed to make our economy a success. So this is the deal Labour

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will offer to Beus -- to help pay for a national education service,

:18:08.:18:11.

we'll ask you to pay a little more in tax. We've already started to set

:18:12.:18:16.

out some of this, pledging to raise corporation tax by less than 1.5% to

:18:17.:18:22.

give an Education Maintenance Allowance to college students,

:18:23.:18:25.

grants to university students, so that every young learner can afford

:18:26.:18:30.

to support themselves as they develop skills and get

:18:31.:18:34.

qualifications. APPLAUSE

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Business shares in economic success and it must contribute to it too.

:18:49.:18:54.

And I recognise that good businesses deserve a level playing field. So I

:18:55.:18:59.

also pledge to good businesses that we will clamp down on those that

:19:00.:19:04.

dodge their taxes, you should not be under cut by those that don't play

:19:05.:19:10.

by the rules. APPLAUSE There is nothing more

:19:11.:19:18.

unpatriotic than not paying your taxes. Frankly, it is an act of

:19:19.:19:23.

vandalism, damaging our National Health Service, damaging older

:19:24.:19:27.

people's social care, damaging younger people's education, so a

:19:28.:19:32.

Labour Government will make the shabby tax avoidance a thing of the

:19:33.:19:37.

past. APPLAUSE Our national education

:19:38.:19:47.

service is going to be every bit as vital as our National Health Service

:19:48.:19:52.

has become. And we recognise that education isn't simply about

:19:53.:19:57.

preparing for the workplace. It is also about exploration of knowledge

:19:58.:20:01.

and unlocking the creativity that's there in every human being. So all

:20:02.:20:06.

scul pupils should have the chance to learn an instrument, take part in

:20:07.:20:11.

drama and dance, have regular access to a theatre, gallery, museum in

:20:12.:20:16.

their local area. So that's why we will introduce an arts pupil premium

:20:17.:20:23.

to every primary school in England and Wales and consult on the

:20:24.:20:29.

national design and roll-out to extend this pupil premium to all

:20:30.:20:34.

secondary schools. This will be a ?160 million boost to schools to

:20:35.:20:39.

invest in projects that support cultural activities to school over

:20:40.:20:42.

the longer term. It could hardly be more different from the Tory

:20:43.:20:46.

approach to education. Their only plan is the return of grammar school

:20:47.:20:52.

segregation and second class schooling for the majority.

:20:53.:20:58.

APPLAUSE And what a great job, Angela Rayner

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is doing in opposing them in this! APPLAUSE

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So this Saturday, 1st October, I want you to take this message into

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your community, that Labour is standing up for education for all.

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APPLAUSE Grammar schools are not the only way the Tories are bringing

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division back into our society. They're also using the tried and

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tested tricks of demonising and scapegoating to distract from their

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failures. Whether it is single mothers, unemployed people, disabled

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people or migrants, Tory failure is always someone else's fault.

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APPLAUSE And those smears have consequences from children being

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bullied in school, to attacks on the street such as the rise in

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disability hate crime. I'm so proud of this party. In the last year we

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stood up to the Government on cuts to disabled people's benefits and

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cuts to working families tax credits and on Monday our shadow work Work

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and Pensions Secretary announced we would be scrapping the sanctions

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regime and the degrading work capability assessment.

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Plus plus as politicians, as political activists, as citizens we

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have zero tolerance towards those who whip up hate and division. Stand

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together against racism, Islamophobia and anti-semitism and

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defend those being demonised. APPLAUSE It has been shaming to our

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multi-cultural society that assaults on migrants have increased sharply

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since the referendum campaign. A campaign that pedalled myths and

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whipped up division. It isn't migrants that drive down wages. It

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is exploitive employers and the politicians who deregulate the

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labour market and rip up trade union rights.

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APPLAUSE It isn't migrants who put a strain

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on our National Health Service. It only keeps going because of the

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migrant nurses and doctors who come here filling the gaps left by

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politicians who failed to invest in training.

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APPLAUSE It isn't migrants that have caused a

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housing crisis, it is a Tory Government that has failed to build

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homes. APPLAUSE Immigration can certainly

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put extra pressure on services that's why under Gordon Brown Labour

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set up the migrant impact fund to provide extra funding to communities

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that have the largest rises in populations. Good plan. Very

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effective. What did the Tories do? They abolished it. Then they

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demonise the migrants for putting pressure on services. A Labour

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Government will not offer false promises on immigration as the

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Tories have done, we will not sow division by fanning the flames of

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fear, whatever the outcome of Brexit negotiations and make the changes

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that are needed. We will act decisively to end the under cutting

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of workers pay and conditions through the exploitation of migrant

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labour and agency working which would reduce the number of migrant

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workers in the process. APPLAUSE

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And we will ease the pressure on hard-pressed public services that

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are struggling to absorb Tory austerity cuts in communities

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absorbing new populations. Labour will reinstate the migrant impact

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fund and give extra support to areas of high migration, using the visa

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levy for its intended purpose. APPLAUSE

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And we'll add a citizenship application fee levy to boost the

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fund. That is the Labour way to tackle social tension. Investment

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and assistance, not racism and division.

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APPLAUSE This party campaigned hard to remain in the European Union and

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I spoke at rallies from Cornwall to Aberdeen for our Labour campaign to

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remain and reform, but although most Labour voters backeds, we did not

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convince millions of Labour voters especially in those parts of the

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country left behind, left behind by years of neglect and under

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investment and de-industrialisation, now we have to face the future

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together. We're not helped by patronising or lecturing those in

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our communities who voted to leave, they have to hear their concerns

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about jobs, public services, wages, immigration, and a future for their

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children and we have to respect their votes and the decision of the

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British people. Of course, that does not mean giving a blank cheque to

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Theresa May and her three legged team of fractious Brexiteers as they

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work up a negotiating plan, but it is unfortunately they have a

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distraction from that because they have to squabble about whose turn it

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is to go to a country retreat each weekend! We've made it clear that we

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will resist a Brexit at the expense of workers' rights and social

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justice. APPLAUSE

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We've set out our red lines on employment, environmental and social

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protection, and on access to the European market. But we will also be

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pressing our own Brexit agenda including the freedom to intervene

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in our own industries like steel. Without the obligation to liberalise

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or privatise public services. APPLAUSE

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And building a new relationship with Europe based on co-operation and

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internationalism. And as Europe faces the impact of a refugee

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crisis, fuelled by wars across the Middle East, we have to face the

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role that repeated military interventions by British and other

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governments have played in that crisis.

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APPLAUSE The Chilcot Report made absolutely

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clear the lessons to be learnt from the disastrous invasion and

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occupation of Iraq, just as this month the Foreign Affairs Select

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Committee report into the war in Libya demonstrated. Those lessons

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have still to be learned a decade on.

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APPLAUSE The consequence of those wars have

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been a spread of terrorism, and violence across and that displaced

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millions of people, forcing them from their countries. That's why I

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believe it was right to apologise on behalf of the party for the Iraq

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war. Right to say that we learned the lessons.

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APPLAUSE And right to say... And right to say

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that such a ka tros it is a trofy must never be allowed to happen

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again. We need a foreign policy based on peace, justice and Human

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Rights. I tell you this today what great news it is to hear the peace

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treaty that's been agreed in Columbia after 50 years of

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devastating war. APPLAUSE

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And we need to honour our international treaty obligations on

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nuclear disarmament as much as we do on Human Rights and other things and

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encourage others to do the same. But we're a long way from that

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humanitarian vision. Britain continues to sell arms to Saudi

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Arabia, a country the United Nations says is committing repeated

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violations of international hult war, war yims in Yemen and on

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Sunday, it was good to stand alongside the Yemeni community here

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in Liverpool who endorsed our call to end those arms sales to Saudi

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Arabia. APPLAUSE

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Just as the war crimes that are going on in other places such as

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Syria. There has to be a political solution to the conflicts.

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APPLAUSE Today I make it clear that under a

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Labour government when there are credible reports of human rights

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abuses British arms sales will be suspended, starting with Saudi

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Arabia. Last year the votes we needed to win

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power went many different ways in all parts of our country, while

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millions of our potential voters stayed home. Many didn't believe

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that we offered an alternative, it is true there is an electoral

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mountain to climb. But if we focus everything on the needs and

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aspirations of middle and lower-income voters, of ordinary

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families, if we demonstrate we have a viable alternative to the

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Government's failed policies I'm convinced, absolutely convinced, we

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can build the electoral support that can beat the Tories.

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This means being the voice of women, of young people, pensioners, middle

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and lower-income workers, the unemployed, the self-employed,

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minority communities and those struggling with the impact of

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migration and work and everyone struggling to get on and trying to

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secure a better life for themselves, their families and their

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communities. Running throughout history is the struggle for equality

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by rampant inequality has become the great scandal of our time, sapping

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the potential of our Society, tearing at its fabric. Labour's goal

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isn't just greater inequality of wealth and income. It's also about

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powerful stop our aim could not be more ambitious. We want a new

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settlement for the 21st-century in politics, in business, our

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communities, with the environment, and in our relations with the rest

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of the world. Every one of us in the Labour Party is motivated by the cap

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of what our country is and what it could be. -- by the gap.

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APPLAUSE We know that in the sixth largest

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economy in the world the food banks, stunted life chances and growing

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poverty alongside wealth on an undreamt of scale are a mark of a

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shameful and totally unnecessary failure.

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We know how great this country could be for all its people with a new

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political and economic settlement with new forms of democratic

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ownership driven by investment in the technology and industries of the

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future, with decent jobs, education and housing for all, with local

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services run by and for people, not outsourced to faceless corporations.

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This is not backward looking. This is very much the opposite. It's the

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socialism of the 21st-century. Our job is now to win over the

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unconvinced of our vision. Only that way can we secure the Labour

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government we need. And let's be frank, no one would be convinced of

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the vision promoted by a divided party. We all agree on that.

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APPLAUSE So I ask each and every one of you

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to accept the decision of the members, and the trench warfare, and

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work together to take on the Tories! Conference, anything else is a

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luxury that the millions of people who depend on Labour cannot afford.

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We know there will be local elections next May. In Scotland

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where we won three by-elections this summer in Wales, thank you Labour

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Scotland, Wales and across the counties in England, and Metro

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mayoral elections, including right here on Merseyside, where my good

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friend Steve Rotheram will be standing as Labour's candidate.

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Steve, best of luck. I will miss your comradeship, your humour, your

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criticism. LAUGHTER

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And your wonderful support. APPLAUSE

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And, on the same day we are going to be electing Andy Burnham in

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Manchester and Sian Simon in Birmingham.

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Big Labour victories on the same day. Are we agreed on that?

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CHEERING But...

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LAUGHTER There is always a but, isn't the? We

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could also face a General Election next year. Whatever the Prime

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Minister says about snap elections there is every chance Theresa May

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will cut and run for an early election. So today we put ourselves

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on notice. Labour is preparing for a General Election in 2017.

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And we hope and expect all our members to support our campaign. We

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will be ready for the challenge whenever it comes.

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APPLAUSE Let's do it and be ready for that

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challenge. Let's do it in the spirit of the great Scots born Liverpool

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football manager Bill Shankly. APPLAUSE

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Sorry, Andy, I know Andy is an Everton supporter. Don't go! Stay!

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You're going to like it, Andy, don't worry.

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The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal

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and everybody having a share in the rewards. That's how I see football

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and that's how I see life. We are not all Bill Shanklys, each

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of us comes to our socialism from our own experiences. Mine was shaped

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by my mum and dad, a teacher and an engineer. Both very committed

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socialists and peace campaigners. My mum's inspiration was to encourage

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girls to believe they could achieve anything in their lives.

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APPLAUSE And I've met some of the people she

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taught. She inspired so many girls to take up science and engineering

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because of her example. And in my experience working as a volunteer

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teacher in Jamaica when I was a young man taught me so much about

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the strength of communities living in adversity and showing the most

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amazing solidarity to each other in poverty and in remote communities,

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and determined to achieve something collectively good for their entire

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community. And later I spent years as a union

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organiser in the National union of Public employees, representing low

:39:52.:39:53.

paid workers, fighting for the national minimum wage, fighting for

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decent wages and conditions, unions make us strong but also it's the

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determination of people to be strong for themselves, and above all strong

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for each other that shakes my politics, shakes my ideas and shapes

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my values. -- shapes my ideas. As the great American poet Langston

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Hughes put it, I see that my own hands can make the world that's in

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my mind. Everyone here and every one of our

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hundreds and thousands of members has some thing to contribute to our

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cause. That's why we will unite, build on our policies, take our

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vision out to a country crying out for change. We are 500,000 of us and

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there will be many more, working together to make our country the

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place it could be. Conference, united we can shape the future and

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build a fairer Britain in a peaceful world. Thank you.

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STUDIO: And Jeremy Corbyn getting applauded as they all rise to their

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feet, as it comes to an end, he didn't speak for 40 minutes as we

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were told, or 40 minutes as we were then told, he spoke for an hour and

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he is getting a standing ovation as he waves back to the crowd promising

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what he called a socialism for the 21st-century. He began by saying the

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new Shadow Cabinet members that come in when so many of the older ones

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have resigned, they are the future, he said. He wanted progressive

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change from the bottom-up. He said the Tories were merely the party of

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the privileged few. He saw his leadership of the Labour

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Party and those like-minded around him as part of the trend of the

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radical left in Europe like Syriza in Greece and put a must in Spain.

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On policy details which were high in aspiration if low on detail. He

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wanted 500,000 more council houses. The renationalising of the railways.

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He said his ten point programme that he had for the party leadership

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battle on would become the basis of party policy for the next election.

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And that included the repeal of the Trade Union Act, which of course was

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the Conservative reform which the last Labour government made very few

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changes to. He offered a new deal for business that would be

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multi-billion pound public investment in infrastructure, but he

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was going to raise their corporation tax, the tax on their profits, to

:43:05.:43:08.

pay for various educational measures. He promised that

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educational and national education as well. He concentrated on

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migration, tackling the consequences of immigration and extra support for

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areas of high immigration. There was nothing, as had been briefed before,

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about numbers and what controls there would be in place. He did say

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there was an electoral mountain to climb but if they could capture the

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support of middle and lower income voters then they would climb that

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mountain. Norman Smith, the BBC's political editor, is with me.

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Norman, what did you make of that Kozak if I'm glad I thought it was a

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missed opportunity in a funny way because at the end of the speeches.

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We're just hearing the red flag in the background, they are singing it,

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just so our viewers understand. As a journalist you want to have a

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story to tell. I'm struggling to say what it was Mr Corbyn wanted to say.

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There was a message to the broader country. If there was a top line

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from it there was the appeal to unity, the biggest cheer he got was

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the line appealing for an end to trench warfare, divided parties

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don't win elections. But a lot of it felt to me a bit of a comfort

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blanket for his party, going through policies that yes, his party

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absolutely loves, getting rid of zero-hours contracts, nationalising

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railways, in national investment bank. All of that sort of stuff goes

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down very well with his party. But if unity was to be a central message

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I think he needed to do more. I think there was a slight element at

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the beginning of his speech, and you picked it out when he lauded those

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who had gone into the Shadow Cabinet, and he said very

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deliberately, they are the future. In other words, all of you big

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Labour beasts from the past who have been given so much grief, forget it,

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you are not the future. That's not a message to bring people together. So

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it will go down terrifically well. Performance wise, actually, he has

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improved because sometimes he can be a bit of a mumble, a bit in

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different. He looked more confident. It was a much improved performance

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on last year, more confident, more vocal, more relaxed as lead and

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comfortable in his skin as leader. But if you are a voter sitting at

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home I don't think you take much from some of the very Corbyn -esque

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lines about stopping arms sales to Saudi Arabia, or peace in Colombia.

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I just don't think that really grabs people out there. I'm not sure what

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his offer was to the electorate. So, you know, it will make people feel

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good. Whether it actually gets any traction out with this conference

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chamber I'm not sure. As we move from country-macro to Jerusalem you

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might hear in the background, Rachel Shabi, what is your take? I agree it

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was a much more confident, capable performance we have seen a step

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change in the way Corbyn comes across. In terms of narrative arc

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there definitely was one. What Corbyn was doing over an hour, was

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it? It was an hour, maybe a few seconds short. It was very carefully

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and slowly, steadily building an ark whereby the Conservative government

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is old, it's out of touch, it's privileged, its elite, it doesn't

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have the capability to tackle the very urgent needs of the country. So

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he set up the Tory party as being out of date, out of touch,

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ill-equipped and constantly letting the country down. Meanwhile, all the

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while building up a narrative of the Labour Party as being modern,

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forward-looking, progressive, wants to invest, wants to innovate. He

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spoke about a patriotism that comes from a Britain that innovates, that

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builds things, that designs things, that makes thinks. He spoke about

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investing in that. He drew people together, I think, within a sort of

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shared narrative that is, we can find solutions, we are struggling at

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the moment but we can find solutions and we do it by investing and

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innovating and looking forward. These are all things the

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Conservative government cannot and does not know how to do.

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That maybe the game or the aim because Neil Kinnock tried to do

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that with the Tories in 1990 and when they changed leaders from

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Thatcher to Major, the public kind of thought, it is like a new

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Government and in some ways the polls suggest the public also think

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that with the demise of Mr Cameron and his set, this is a new

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Government too. Yes, I thought there was a narrative he could have

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grasped there, but I don't think he did and he kind of touched on it

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lightly which was this idea we are in a new era, a different politics,

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the old model is broken, which he genuinely believes and it was done

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in a paragraph and I think you could build a story around this. This is a

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new era, I represent a different way of doing things. I felt it got lost

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in what almost became a list of policy statements which we already

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knew. The new policy, I counted two, slash three, one was the idea of

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allowing councils to borrow to build council house, fine, very worthy,

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but probably technocratic and dull for most viewers. There was an

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announcement I think on a pupil premium, an arts pupil premium which

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again sounded sort of slightly under powered. It didn't seem to me there

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was an offer to the British people in policy and then if you are not

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going to do that, you have to impart a vision and I don't think he gave

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that vision. I think if he had managed to grip this idea we're in a

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different world, things are different and I represent that,

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there was a potential to develop that story, but I don't think he got

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there. Halfs in it for the disillusioned PLP? I think again, it

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was actually quite deliberate and quite clever of Corbyn, he didn't

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really attack, he didn't do any attacking. He didn't talk about

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unity much either. But he did try and unify the party along the lines

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of this common message, this common narrative, this new era, new

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solutions for a crisis. It is interesting that you mention

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housing. Housing is of course one of the biggest issues, most people will

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be feeling the effects of a housing crisis. Most people in the country

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were feeling that and for him to signal that is a really big deal,

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but he did signal other policies like investment in innovation, he

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talked about raising corporation tax specifically to pay for education.

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So he signalled the beginning of or the return of Education Maintenance

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Allowance which is a really big deal. We're going to move on. We

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have got to let Norman go, because he has 53 other outlets to service

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between now and later this evening. Norman, thank you for being with us.

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We want to find out, you heard how two of the journalists felt about

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the speech, how how did it go down with a few of the party members.

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Andrew Fleming is outside the conference hall. Hello, we're live

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on the BBC, what did you think of the speech? Absolutely brilliant.

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Inspiring. We're going to win the next election. Butterflies in the

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stomach? Absolutely, didn't it you? No comment scham What did you think

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of the speech? Very good speech. It was amazing. What do you think the

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theme was? Was there a message or a storyline that he was talking about?

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I think it was a fairer society. Somebody who works in the NHS, we

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see the inequality, we see the need for reinvestment and he says the

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right things and the people responded to that very positively.

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So keep the fingers crossed, yes. Thank you very much. Hello there,

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you're live on the BBC, what did you think of the speech? It was very

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good. It covered loads of things that everybody is really feeling

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passionate and I'm one of the many thousands that came back to the

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Labour Party. What did you think of the speech? He has given us a clear

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platform to go out and fight for this country. I I think Jeremy st

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going forward and we're addressing the concerns and the party and I

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think we can rebuild and build a Britain that we want to see. Who was

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inspired by the speech? No. Not at all. Very disappointed. What was the

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problem? There was a lot of talking about what is problematic and there

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was a lot of saying great, why we should change that and I'm waiting

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to hear how we're going to change that. We're going to change it. He

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talked about the changes in, to the companies that are going to make a

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contribution to improve education. He talked about we're going to be

:52:32.:52:35.

more welcoming of people coming into this country. He talked about

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building more houses. He talked about a bank that is going to invest

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in this country. He is talking all the practical things. We're going to

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get out there, I hope, you as well, and we're going to persuade people

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that what he said is absolutely right. It is about the needs of the

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many, not the few, it is not the Tories who are who are just

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interested in a few. We will let you carry on that discussion later on.

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Who thought Jeremy Corbyn's speaking style has improved?

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Do you think Jeremy Corbyn's speaking style has improved? Yes,

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very good. That's all from the delegates here

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on the conference floor where you can buy a copy of Jeremy Corbyn's

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speech if you really want a keepsake. Back to you.

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STUDIO: That was our Adam there, not quite in the spirit of unity. They

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are only walking out and after 30 seconds they are arguing amongst

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themselves, but it was interesting. Rachel, housing, you mentioned

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rightly, it is one of, I think, the undercovered, but huge policy issues

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that faces, but I have covered manifestos going on from the Labour

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one in 1997 through to the Tory one in 2010 and the Tory one again in

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2015 all promising much more housing and it hardly ever happens. They

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seem to run up against planning constraints, local council

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constraints and so on, I'm not quite sure if anybody yet knows how to

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break the log jam on this? I moon, I do think that this is something that

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Jeremy Corbyn really believes in. I remember interviewing him a few

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months ago and asked him what the most important thing in terms of

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domestic policy was and howst housing was number one. And rightly

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because it does affect, we all know how big an impact it has had on our

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society. How short we are of housing? How short we are of housing

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stock. I think there is a reason why this has become at the fore front of

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Labour Party policy. I guess the issue is how do you deliver? You

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build. That's true, but he has got two problems, one is getting

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planning per Marks because councils are reluctant to release land, is he

:54:54.:54:57.

going to overrule them from Whitehall which would fly in the

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face of a lot of the rhetoric we heard this week and secondly, the

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biggest demand for houses tends to be in areas where there are Tory

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councils and that's another thing he has got toe overcome? Yeah, but I

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think the most important thing to overcome is the lack of willing to

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do it and that's what the Tory Government and the coalition

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Government before it demonstrated. There was no interest in

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replenishing the social housing stock and there was no interest in

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providing more housing. There was a complete lack of capacity to

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understand how much of a problem it was causing for people both renting

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and not able to buy. So I think actually the biggest obstacle is the

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desire to do so. Would you agree with him, would you

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place what he has done to the Labour Party and the forces he represents

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in the Labour Party there with the party in Spain and Greece which has

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challenged the traditional Socialist Party? Was I right in thinking he

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was saying we've channelled their radicalism and reinvented the Labour

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Party rather than done it from outside? Yes, he did talk about

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that. He spoke about a sort of 21st century socialism. So he made it

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very clear that this isn't an old-style, this isn't going

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backwards, this is very much a modern socialism for a modern

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society facing modern crisis and those parties that you spoke about,

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across Europe, came about because of the same sort of economic and social

:56:29.:56:32.

crisises that we're seeing across Europe. In the UK that has happened

:56:33.:56:41.

within an existing party. Primarily, I think, because the party system

:56:42.:56:45.

cannot accommodate any other manifestation. We have only got a

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couple of minutes to go. Len McCluskey joined us. Good to see

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you. Which speech did you prefer, Tom Watson's or Jeremy Corbyn's?

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Jeremy Corbyn's. Tom's speech was about yesteryear's politics. I think

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what we have seen today was a leader. Somebody who spelt out a

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vision and a vision that is desperately needed in our country

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and that call for unity and what Labour can achieve when we are

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together I think was very powerful and very inspiring. Where did your

:57:14.:57:19.

attack on Tom Watson's speech fit into the call for unity What attack.

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A critique, an opinion which I said that I thought Tom was going back to

:57:28.:57:32.

the third way of playerism. That was for a different era and I said that

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really is not a vision anymore. So, of course, it is about Jeremy asked

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us to wipe the slate clean and perhaps unite, perhaps I need to be

:57:44.:57:46.

careful about my rhetoric as well, Andrew. Well, don't we all at times?

:57:47.:57:51.

Do you think the Parliamentary Labour Party needs to change to

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reflect more the kind of Labour Party that Mr Corbyn was outlining

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in his speech today? I think that's a great question and when you are a

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representative of a party, you have to understand if the party is

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changing and I'm sure that the vast majority of the PLP will recognise

:58:11.:58:14.

that the party as changed and there is a vision and a commitment there

:58:15.:58:18.

and I think they'll come back to support the leader and effectively

:58:19.:58:21.

support the membership that put them there. We almost have to go, but

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you're up for re-election soonment are you running again Oh, a long

:58:27.:58:30.

time yet. A long time. Are you going to run again? I will let you know

:58:31.:58:35.

when I decide. Go on, we need a story. My executive and members will

:58:36.:58:39.

know first. Should he run again? I think that's between him and his

:58:40.:58:45.

conscience. It is between him and his members! His members as well.

:58:46.:58:50.

Len McCluskey, I'm sorry it was so rushed. He should have cut down his

:58:51.:58:54.

speech and we would have had more time to talk! Come back and see us.

:58:55.:58:59.

It is always a pleasure. That's from the Labour Party conference in

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Liverpool. It finished with Mr Corbyn's speech calling for a

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socialism suited to the 21st century. Jo will be back with more

:59:09.:59:12.

Daily Politics at midday on BBC Two and I'll be back on BBC One tomorrow

:59:13.:59:17.

night after Question Time when I have no idea who our guests will be!

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But maybe Mr Portillo will have got off his train if not his trolley.

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Bye-bye. There were two areas of fingerprints

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on the carrier bag.

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