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At the start of the week he was returned triumphant | :00:00. | :00:07. | |
as Labour Party Leader - for a second time. | :00:08. | :00:10. | |
Now - with that renewed mandate - he prepares to address | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
his party conference - how will he unite | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
And tell us how to take Labour intergovernment. | :00:19. | :00:58. | |
Afternoon, folks - welcome to this Daily Politics | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
special live from Liverpool on the sunny banks of the Mersey. | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
So, Jeremy Corbyn left the Conference hotel a few | :01:07. | :01:08. | |
minutes ago accompanied by six young people. | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
Labour activists. The party has an been inundated by new member since | :01:13. | :01:23. | |
Mr Corbyn became leader and many of them young. | :01:24. | :01:24. | |
He will get to his feet in about 20 minutes and we're | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
expecting him to speak for less than half an hour - | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
And if that's the case it will be bit shortest Labour leader speech | :01:31. | :01:40. | |
since Disraeli. He'll put the party on an election | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
footing and outline ten policy pledges that Labour | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
would deliver in government. But Mr Corbyn's bigger task | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
is to try to bring the party together after another | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
divisive leadership contest. What - if anything - | :01:52. | :01:53. | |
will be his olive branch to MPs? And if the snap election that | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
Jeremy Corbyn will warn of does materialise, | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
what kind of position will the party We'll have Jeremy Corbyn's speech | :02:03. | :02:04. | |
live and uninterrupted. That will be in about 20 minutes | :02:05. | :02:22. | |
time. is the journalist and commentator, | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
Rachel Shabi. Welcome back to the programme. | :02:26. | :02:35. | |
What should Mr Corbyn do to reach out to those in the party, | :02:36. | :02:38. | |
particularly the MPs that didn't want him as leader? Well, there is a | :02:39. | :02:44. | |
couple of things he can do. One, of course, is to focus on the policy | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
areas over which they are united. As it turns out there are plenty of | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
those. They all agree about having an anti-austerity programme, about | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
going big on infrastructure investment, investment in housing, | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
support for the welfare state, support for comprehensive schools. | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
There are lots of areas over which they can agree. But you are right, | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
people who walked away over the summer are going to need a path | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
back. They are going to need something to allow them to be able | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
to reverse that decision made over the summer. And I would imagine | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
Corbyn and his team are now in conversation with various people | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
love exactly what can be made, what offers can be made to allow people | :03:28. | :03:33. | |
to find a way back into the Shadow Cabinet. Does he need to bring what | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
we might call the rebels, does he need to bring some of these | :03:39. | :03:41. | |
prominent rebels back into the Shadow Cabinet? I think it depends. | :03:42. | :03:46. | |
When he formed his first Shadow Cabinet when first elected as leader | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
it was very much a unity cabinet, spanning across all of the diverse | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
and varied factions of the Labour Party that have been one family for | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
so long. That didn't really work out, and I think one of the reasons | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
it didn't work out was some members of the Cabinet were not that unified | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
in their approach. There was sniping, briefing to the press that | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
was seen as undermining of both the cohesion of the Cabinet, of the | :04:15. | :04:21. | |
Shadow Cabinet, and of the leadership itself. Were he to reach | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
out across the party in the same way again there would need to be | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
guarantees that that would stop, I think. Mr Corbyn's people have | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
blamed the bad polling, particularly this summer because label-macro's | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
been diverted by a never leadership contest within the space of one | :04:40. | :04:46. | |
year. -- Labour's. When this is all behind him does he need to | :04:47. | :04:54. | |
demonstrate he can prove the party's opinion poll ratings? Definitely. I | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
think the divisions in the party and the fact people have been looking | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
for months at a party in disarray are only part of the story in terms | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
of the bad polling. Some of it is actually to do with his leadership, | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
and I do think he does need to address that. A lot of people that | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
I've spoken to in the last few days, people have been previously very | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
cynical about his capacity as leader, have said they have seen a | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
change. They have said that in the last few months specially he has | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
raised his game. It's not perfect yet, it is a long way from that, but | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
they are definitely saying they see signs of improvement. I think were | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
he to continue along that same path, and at the same time draw on all of | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
the wealth and experience that all of the factions of the Labour Party | :05:40. | :05:42. | |
have to bring to the table, if they were behind him and enabling him | :05:43. | :05:49. | |
with their talents, I think that would also make a big difference. On | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
the eve of the conference Andy Burnham, now the outgoing Shadow | :05:55. | :05:56. | |
Home Secretary because he's going to run for Mayor of London and | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
favourite to win it, sorry, the Mayor of Manchester... As a Labour | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
mayor. Sadiq Khan just spilt his Coffey, I think! Andy Burnham | :06:07. | :06:14. | |
implied that there was a test -- coffee. That they had to see an | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
improvement, because no one, these were his words, at the right to take | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
Labour to a overstating defeat, he was referring to 2020. It is that | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
realistic now? Is it realistic to think that if things don't get | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
better Labour would change its leader again? I don't know. But I | :06:31. | :06:37. | |
also think it's a long game. The problem is the Labour Party has had | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
in terms of its own electability go beyond Jeremy Corbyn. They have been | :06:41. | :06:46. | |
haemorrhaging support among the wider population for some time. They | :06:47. | :06:53. | |
have lost two elections. Quite a low share of the vote too. Quite a low | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
share of the vote, so the problems they need to address go beyond the | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
leadership. They come down to finding a way to re-engage with the | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
population, find a way to be engage with people, who for whatever | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
reason, have become disillusioned with the Labour Party and whose | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
votes they lost, and also the section of the population that just | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
has not been interested in politics at all and doesn't vote. One of the | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
encouraging thing is about Jeremy Corbyn's leadership is he has | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
managed to start to speak to that section of the population. Perhaps | :07:29. | :07:30. | |
reinvigorate an interest in politics? Yes. OK, we will talk | :07:31. | :07:37. | |
about this and more. This time last year, | :07:38. | :07:46. | |
the Labour conference kicked off with the announcement | :07:47. | :07:48. | |
of Jeremy Corbyn's This year's conference started | :07:49. | :07:50. | |
in similar fashion. But what about the | :07:51. | :07:52. | |
intervening 12 months? Here's a reminder of how | :07:53. | :07:54. | |
the year unfolded for And so I sent out an e-mail | :07:55. | :07:56. | |
to thousands of people and asked them what questions | :07:57. | :08:17. | |
they would like to put Public opinion is moving | :08:18. | :08:19. | |
increasingly against what I believe to be an ill-thought-out | :08:20. | :08:39. | |
rush to war. It is now time for us | :08:40. | :08:41. | |
to do our bit in Syria. a politician resigning | :08:42. | :08:49. | |
live on television. I've just written to Jeremy Corbyn | :08:50. | :09:05. | |
to resign from the frontbench. I think that things | :09:06. | :09:08. | |
are being said that have been briefed at and that I have seen | :09:09. | :09:10. | |
being briefed at this morning REPORTER: Do you accept this has | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
become something of a crisis? We were getting predictions that | :09:15. | :09:24. | |
Labour was going to lose councils. Tonight at Ten, tributes | :09:25. | :09:39. | |
to the Labour MP Jo Cox who has died after being stabbed and shot | :09:40. | :09:52. | |
on a street in West Yorkshire. A real servant of democracy in every | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
way one could want or imagine. The British people have spoken | :09:57. | :10:12. | |
and the answer is - we're out. For all of this I express more | :10:13. | :10:40. | |
sorrow, regret, and apology than I've been joined by the Shadow | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
Education Secretary, Angela Rayner. Welcome back on the programme. You | :10:46. | :11:49. | |
had two leadership elections in 12 months. Can we take it for granted | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
now that if the election is in 2020 Mr Corbyn leads the Labour Party | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
into that election? Well, I'm election fatigue in our party at the | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
moment like most of our members are and we just want a bit of stability. | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
We are all a bit tired now. So is its job done? I hope so, I hope we | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
pulled together and lead an opposition to what the Conservative | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
government are doing at the moment. I hope we pulled together because I | :12:17. | :12:19. | |
think that's what the nation are willing us to do because they want | :12:20. | :12:22. | |
to see in a position to be Conservative government and we must | :12:23. | :12:33. | |
step up to the mark to be the opposition. At the moment you are | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
ten or 12 points behind in the polls. Some of that Mr Corbyn's | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
people blame on the fact you've been having your own leadership contest | :12:40. | :12:41. | |
inwards. But there is also boundary changes coming up which will not be | :12:42. | :12:44. | |
helpful for the Labour Party either. Although you want him to lead into | :12:45. | :12:46. | |
the next election, does there come a time if there is no improvement in | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
Labour's position, or it even gets worse, that the leadership issue is | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
opened again? Jeremy Corbyn must prove himself to the public, no | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
question about that. As I've always said respect is earned, not given. | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
We got to do that, we have a task ahead of us but I think the general | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
public are willing us on, they want Labour to be the opposition party | :13:08. | :13:10. | |
then we could be and the government in waiting and we have a long way to | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
go to prove that. I'm hoping and now we've had this summer of discontent | :13:16. | :13:17. | |
we can unite together and move forward on that basis and give | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
Jeremy the chance to lead our party with a big, strong team around him. | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
Given the task ahead of you, it is quite a formidable task and the | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
boundary changes do make it worse if they go through, and given the | :13:30. | :13:35. | |
importance of immigration in the Brexit debate, particularly among | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
Northern Labour voters, many of whom voted for Brexit, is it wise for | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
your party and Mr Corbyn to take a leadership position on this that | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
says he's not concerned about numbers and he doesn't care about | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
bringing down immigration numbers? Is that wise? Well, many of my | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
constituents talk to me about immigration and their concerns | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
around it. I think what has happened is people especially in the north, | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
and cities like my area, for example, felt they have taken a | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
disproportionate effect from immigration and have not seen the | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
investment in the public services, the undercutting of wages and we | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
need to deal with those issues first serve the general public can have | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
some confidence that actually immigration as a positive effect on | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
all of our communities and we all do well from it. Is it wise, was my | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
question, to say numbers are not the EC? Andrew, not talking about it is | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
not wise either, that's what people are talking about on the doorstep -- | :14:31. | :14:37. | |
not the issue. Immigration can be good for business and good for the | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
UK but it disproportionately affects some areas of the UK and we cannot | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
deny that, we have to deal with the SU. Let me try one more time. Is it | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
wise, given as you say, numbers are not the EC? What Jeremy said about | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
numbers is its like pinning blancmange to the wall, you say one | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
number... It disproportionately affects some areas. You may not need | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
the same number in my area as you need in another area. The | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
fundamental thing governments have failed to do and failed to respond | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
to and prepare for immigration and prepare for what the Labour | :15:12. | :15:18. | |
workforce needs and housing and services, and when you cut in those | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
areas as well, this is the crucial bit, in areas like my area the | :15:23. | :15:25. | |
public sector is a large employer and you've cut it back so much as | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
well, is it has had this pinching effect on our communities and that | :15:30. | :15:32. | |
is where tensions have come. Should there be controls on the numbers? | :15:33. | :15:38. | |
Where there is a need for labour and you're making sure that it is not | :15:39. | :15:43. | |
under cutting British workers in terms of their wage bill that we've | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
got good housing in place, including council housing, it is not a dirty | :15:49. | :15:55. | |
word. That's creating an environment for immigrants coming here and those | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
that are living here. Should there be controls on the numbers coming? | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
We already have controls because we're an island, but what | :16:06. | :16:07. | |
happened... Well, we have free movement from the EU at the moment. | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
Once we leave the EU should there be controls? There is no infrastructure | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
and people can't move into a particular area, but what we have | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
seen is a disproportionate effect on some areas and that's why people | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
felt it significantly. What we need to be looking at is where we've got | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
skills gaps and where we need people to come into work, we should be | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
welcoming that, but we have to make sure that the infrastructure is in | :16:33. | :16:35. | |
place. Angela Rayner, thank you very much. | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
Let's look inside the hall. We welcome viewers from | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
the BBC News Channel. Jeremy Corbyn will be giving his | :16:45. | :17:03. | |
second keynote address to the party faithful gathered in the hall and to | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
the wider public through channels like this as he begins to attempt to | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
gel with the wider electorate because at the end, that's what | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
matters if you want power, not to win leadership elections, but | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
winning the elections in the country and that will be a two-pronged job | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
he has to do today. One will be to attempt to try and bring the Labour | :17:25. | :17:27. | |
Party together after the divisions over the summer, but begin to build | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
a case for why Labour should form the next Government in 2020, should | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
that be the time of the election. Not long to go now. We know a little | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
bit of what he may say. Let's go over some of that. I'm joined by the | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
BBC's assistant political editor, Norman Smith. Norman, it is good to | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
see you. Immigration is going to be the big issue in this speech, is it | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
not because of what he is not saying? It is not going to be a big | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
issue because of what he does say, it is what he doesn't say and the | :17:58. | :18:00. | |
build-up to this whole speech. He wanted to, he did want to raise the | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
issue of immigration. He wanted to flag up his ideas of bringing back | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
the migration impact fund which Gordon Brown introduced. The Tories | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
have also committed to having a similar sort of thing, but they have | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
not implemented it. They abolished the first one in 2011, but it was | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
peanuts? It was 50 million. They only spent, they spent ?23 | :18:23. | :18:33. | |
billion... ?23 million in 2009 and another ?23 million in 2010 which I | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
think you can see is nothing. He is now talking about spending more than | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
?50 million is what he's saying, but the issue is, his overnight briefing | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
from the spokesman which was so, I mean, it was just there in plaque | :18:48. | :18:50. | |
and white, Labour is not about reducing immigration. There is very | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
little wriggle room or ambiguity about that, it is straightforward. | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
Understandably, it caused considerable alarm amongst many | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
Labour MPs because they think it sounds like he is not listening to | :19:03. | :19:08. | |
the electorate, it sounds like like two fingers to people who voted for | :19:09. | :19:16. | |
Brexit. I mean, I think, it kind of has made what has been Jeremy | :19:17. | :19:19. | |
Corbyn's implicit view for a long, long time. He is pretty relaxed | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
about levels of immigration. And John McDonnell is too, isn't he? I | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
think it kind of reflects a divide in Labour thinking between | :19:30. | :19:31. | |
metropolitan Labour and northern Labour. You know, in the big cities, | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
there is genuinely a more relaxed view, they take the view that | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
immigration leads to a more diverse society and leads to innovation and | :19:41. | :19:43. | |
energy, it is a good thing. Very different story in some of the old | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
industrial mill towns where there aren't jobs, where there aren't | :19:49. | :19:51. | |
businesses ad they are under real pressure. So that sort of issue on | :19:52. | :19:58. | |
immigration has exposed the real tensions over Jeremy Corbyn's | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
leadership and whether it is too London based. Rachel Shabi is with | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
us helping us get through the speech today. Is this a tactical mistake by | :20:07. | :20:12. | |
Mr Corbyn? Does it just follow what he has always believed? No, I really | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
don't think it is a tactical mistake. I think it is long past | :20:17. | :20:19. | |
time that the Labour Party started to talk about this. Look, the | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
environment in which we discuss migration now has become so loaded | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
and so difficult and that was exacerbated by the way we discussed | :20:30. | :20:32. | |
Brexit that it is now very difficult for him to raise the issue that he | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
is raising. That doesn't make it wrong, it makes it difficult. The | :20:39. | :20:41. | |
truth of the matter, even Theresa May and her Conservative Government | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
they though that a cut on migration would be bad for the economy. We all | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
know that. Every economist knows that. They cannot say it out loud | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
because they know it would not be popular to say it. Any cut? So what | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
Jeremy Corbyn is trying to do is shift the focus. He's saying, "Look, | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
we understand there are concerns about wage under cutting, about job | :21:03. | :21:08. | |
insecurity, access to welfare, and access to house, not being able to | :21:09. | :21:16. | |
see your doctor, sending your kid to a packed school." The cause is | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
economics and austerity cuts and cutting public services so local | :21:22. | :21:24. | |
authorities don't have the a capacity to cope and let's not, | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
let's not blame migrants for that. Let's remove the economic causes for | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
those concerns. But to do all of that, to build the housing, to | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
improve the schools, to create the public services for a rising | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
population, which is rising indigenously as well as rising for | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
people coming in, don't you need a break until you get these things in | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
place? But that's the thing about is that we actually, we don't need a | :21:51. | :21:53. | |
break, we need to maintain the levels of migration that we have. | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
330,000 net. And most importantly of all in all of this is that even | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
people, people who voted for Brexit and people who think there is a | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
problem with migration, the majority of those people polled would not be | :22:07. | :22:12. | |
prepared to suffer financially as a trade off for a reduction in | :22:13. | :22:14. | |
migration, that's what will happen. We need to be honest about saying | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
that. I think Jeremy Corbyn is starting to initiate that | :22:19. | :22:20. | |
conversation. It is really difficult, it is going against the | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
grain. But it is a conversation. Norman Smith, it would seem from the | :22:26. | :22:28. | |
briefing that we got that there is almost no talk of any kind of | :22:29. | :22:35. | |
controls on EU migration after we leave, but when I interviewed Barry | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
Gardener on the Daily Politics at lunch time today, he said there | :22:41. | :22:43. | |
would be all manner of quality controls on immigration. To be | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
honest, I didn't understand what he was saying. Did you? ? Is he talking | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
about some kind of points-based system, is that what he means by | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
quality controls that people will be assessed in terms of whether they | :22:58. | :23:01. | |
had the right work qualifications, whether they had the educational | :23:02. | :23:05. | |
qualifications. I don't know... But that's not the policy, is it? No, | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
Jeremy Corbyn has been honest about this that he doesn't really believe | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
in controls on EU migration. He does actually believe in freedom of | :23:16. | :23:18. | |
movement, his argument there are plenty of Brits living abroad, if we | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
start imposing curbs and there will be curbs imposed on them and he | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
thinks that we do need large numbers of migrants because of the NHS and | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
because of certain industries which rely on foreign labour and because | :23:33. | :23:35. | |
of the benefits they bring to the economy. He is not suggesting there | :23:36. | :23:38. | |
should be any controls. I'm not sure he would support any controls at | :23:39. | :23:42. | |
all. He never articulated when he was asked about it. I mean, more | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
broadly, it just seems to me this is an issue which has dogged Labour, | :23:48. | :23:50. | |
almost for a decade now. It seems to be such a difficult conversation for | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
Labour to have. I mean, you kind of go all the way back to Gordon Brown | :23:55. | :24:01. | |
and Gillian Duffy and Ed Miliband and his last conference speech not | :24:02. | :24:04. | |
mentioning immigration and now this and it seems to me Labour find it | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
very hard to have this conversation about immigration. It is a really | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
fraught issue for them and I think the reason for that, if I'm honest, | :24:14. | :24:19. | |
is there is a Labour view that bluntly talking about numbers is | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
border line racist and I think that's the view of some Labour | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
people and that makes it very hard to have this discussion and they are | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
still struggling to try and frame a debate which doesn't descend into a | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
very, very politically charged one. The Labour Party particularly Mr | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
Corbyn, has said that they need to be geared up for a quick election. | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
There could be one happening early next year and that's a good thing if | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
you want to promote unity. An election concentrates the mind, but | :24:50. | :24:52. | |
it creates a problem for them too, because if they think that they will | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
need to firm up on their policies and not just speak in slogans and | :24:57. | :25:02. | |
that hasn't happened? No, Labour is travelling slogan heavy and policy | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
light. We have had plenty of as ppiration and peace and justice. In | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
terms of nitty-gritty, well, how is this going to be achieved? Well, we | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
don't have much insight. I mean, I think, the general election plea | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
warning is by and large a unity gambit. Just to say to Labour MPs, | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
"For God's sake not have all this wrangling because we could be on the | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
cusp of a general election." I'm not sure he actually believes in a few | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
months we could be plunged into a general election. Theresa May has | :25:36. | :25:38. | |
signalled she does not want to go down that road. It is harder than in | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
previous years because of the fixed term Parliament Act. MPs would have | :25:44. | :25:48. | |
to vote for an election? Indeed. It is part of Jeremy Corbyn's attempt | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
to try and hold this party together at least in the short to medium-term | :25:53. | :25:56. | |
because as you say if we were to go into a general election now, you've | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
got a party which has been through the most acrimonious and difficult | :26:02. | :26:04. | |
leadership contest with precious little detail in terms of policy | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
with a leader who is still reviled by a significant part of his | :26:09. | :26:14. | |
Parliamentary party. Reviled, is that an accurate enough word? It | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
maybe overstating it, but there are members of his Parliamentary party | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
who are never going to be reconciled to his leadership because they | :26:24. | :26:25. | |
believe he has taken the Labour Party over a cliff. The John | :26:26. | :26:28. | |
McDonnell speech, the Shadow Chancellor on Monday, a little bit | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
of it was overshadowed when there was the argument about Clive Lewis | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
and the changing of his speech on Trident, but at the centre of | :26:38. | :26:43. | |
Labour's new chick policy is a massive increase in public | :26:44. | :26:46. | |
investment to be financed largely by borrowing on the public purse. For a | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
party that lost two elections in a row because it was seen to be profly | :26:53. | :26:58. | |
gate with the public finances, how do you square that? As with | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
everything else when it come to the Labour Party there is a lot of work | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
to do. There is a lot of narrative shift that needs to take place in | :27:07. | :27:10. | |
terms of public perception. As you rightly point out, there is a | :27:11. | :27:13. | |
perception that the Labour Party is not that good with money basically. | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
It can't be trusted with the economy. For some reason that | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
narrative has become true or been perceived as true even though there | :27:24. | :27:25. | |
is nothing to suggest that's the case. On the other hand, what we're | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
looking at, we're looking at the Labour Party now trying to combat | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
with an economic policy. That's a direct challenge to economics that | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
have blatantly been seen to fail, not just with the economic crash, | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
but with the fact that people are struggling. Wages are stagnating. | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
People who are working very, very hard end up just standing still, | :27:49. | :27:52. | |
going slowly backwards. Their kids aren't able to get houses or jobs. | :27:53. | :27:58. | |
They can't afford university tuition fees. Everything is stagnant and | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
people are waking up to the fact that an economic system is failing | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
too many people. So what the Labour Party is trying to do and what this | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
economic programme is about, is to try and reverse that. It is to try | :28:11. | :28:19. | |
and address it. It is actually in line with a leading economist who | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
are saying the same thing. You had too much austerity and liberalism is | :28:25. | :28:27. | |
failing, we need to invest. We need to invest in public infrastructure. | :28:28. | :28:32. | |
We need to invest in housing. The Government needs to borrow and | :28:33. | :28:34. | |
invest in order to boost the economy. That's isn't a radical | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
idea. That's become a centrist economic approach. | :28:39. | :28:48. | |
We expect to hear from Mr Corbyn in at 2. .20pm. That's the Corbyn case | :28:49. | :28:56. | |
for what is being done. Britain moved up to become the seventh most | :28:57. | :29:01. | |
competitive economy in the world. All the countries that are still | :29:02. | :29:07. | |
ahead of it, Singapore, Switzerland, the United States, Germany, none of | :29:08. | :29:12. | |
them do what you've just said. Yes. But Britain is doing great as an | :29:13. | :29:18. | |
economic power as you say, but it is doing really, really badly as | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
sharing that economy around. Record unemployment? There is no need for | :29:23. | :29:26. | |
foodbanks in a country that's one of the wealthiest in the world. There | :29:27. | :29:29. | |
is no need for one in three children to be living below the poverty line. | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
So it's not about the fact that Britain isn't a good economy, it is. | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
But it is about finding a way to redistribute that and stop the | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
rampant inequality that's caused so much hardship and so much pain for | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
so many people. Norman Smith, we hear Rachel said it earlier in the | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
programme that on so many policies Labour is united, Trident is an | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
obvious one, that it is not, but on many other issues Labour is united. | :29:55. | :30:03. | |
Is that true though in general of the debt financed public investment | :30:04. | :30:09. | |
programme on the scale that Mr McDon't aland Mr Corbyn have been | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
talking about, it is ?250 billion and sometimes ?500 billion depending | :30:14. | :30:16. | |
on the article or the speech you read. Is there really unity on that? | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
The deficit, which was like one of the defining issues in the run-up to | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
the last election seems to have gone awol. I have not heard anyone really | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
talking about the deficit here and if you think, you know, Ed Miliband, | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
got slaughtered at his last conference speech, when he forgot to | :30:35. | :30:37. | |
mention the deficit. I don't know whether John McDonnell mentioned it, | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
maybe he did, it really has dropped off the political... George Osborne | :30:42. | :30:45. | |
has stopped talking about it since Brexit. Isn't that why nobody is | :30:46. | :30:49. | |
talking about? Not Conservatives, not the Labour Party. It is no | :30:50. | :30:52. | |
longer an issue, is it? What has changed is the way the | :30:53. | :31:01. | |
Labour Party is racking up a lot of bills and we have no clear idea how | :31:02. | :31:04. | |
they will be paid for. If you go to the policies we have had, say in an | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
area like education, with tuition fees being scrapped, maintenance | :31:11. | :31:15. | |
grants coming back, CMAs coming back and there is a whole load of | :31:16. | :31:18. | |
spending and we have no idea how it will be paid for. -- DMA. Whereas we | :31:19. | :31:25. | |
previously had an environment where everyone had to think about the | :31:26. | :31:28. | |
constraints of how much of the deficit we have, that is out of the | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
window and does not form part of the economic argument. I was struck | :31:35. | :31:37. | |
yesterday when Jeremy Corbyn was asked about the 500 billion figure | :31:38. | :31:41. | |
and someone said to him, where did you get that figure? Is it just a | :31:42. | :31:47. | |
nice round figure? And you wonder if the 500 billion figure has been | :31:48. | :31:51. | |
plucked from anywhere without any solid analysis of where the cash | :31:52. | :31:54. | |
will come from. I think there has been a total mind shift within | :31:55. | :32:02. | |
Labour of balancing the deficit and now coming out with lots of | :32:03. | :32:05. | |
extensive spending pledges which we don't know how they will be paid | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
for. We will be drilling down on them when the Tories come out with | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
the Autumn Statement. Although the deficit may not be up there as the | :32:14. | :32:17. | |
most important economic indicator, which it was under Mr Osborne, Mr | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
Hammond is not the kind of Chancellor who will forget about the | :32:22. | :32:24. | |
deficit altogether. We were told the speech would start at 2020, it is | :32:25. | :32:34. | |
now 2032, we were told it would be 20 minutes and now it's going to be | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
50 minutes. He's probably listen to this discussion, and thought I would | :32:39. | :32:42. | |
add in that point, Rachel made a very good point them let me add that | :32:43. | :32:47. | |
income and even that too and if it carries on like this we could be | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
here until midnight on this. With got the Tories next week. The next | :32:53. | :32:56. | |
big economic event for us will be the Autumn Statement on November 23. | :32:57. | :33:03. | |
We will see then, will we not, as Rachel said the deficit not at the | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
centre, just what position it is now in under the May - Hammond | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
government. That's absolutely true, everything changed with Brexit and | :33:13. | :33:15. | |
Theresa May has said we don't have to worry about having a surplus by | :33:16. | :33:19. | |
2020, Phillip Hammond has said they will have to make fiscal | :33:20. | :33:22. | |
adjustments. The whole centre of gravity politically has changed from | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
deficit reduction to post Brexit. That has changed everything and the | :33:27. | :33:32. | |
focus now is on, what on earth will life be like outside the EU from | :33:33. | :33:39. | |
previous sort of objective which was clawing our way back to balancing | :33:40. | :33:43. | |
the books. That is not what we are about. That is a total game change. | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
I mean, at the end of the day, I'm sure someone will have to start | :33:49. | :33:52. | |
saying, OK, the deficit is going up, what will be done? You cannot put it | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
off for ever and a day. Somewhere along the line we must address it, | :33:57. | :33:59. | |
even in a post Brexit climate, it can't be put off for ever. The whole | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
discussion which takes place, even with the Conservative saying we will | :34:05. | :34:10. | |
not shoot for a surplus anymore and relaxed the fiscal conservatism. Mr | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
McDonnell saying we will borrow 250, maybe 300, maybe 500, all of that is | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
predicated on interest rates being low. Interest rates are low at the | :34:22. | :34:26. | |
moment, historic lows. You can buy, governments can get debt ten years | :34:27. | :34:32. | |
forward at .8%, the yield is very low, but this borrowing will be done | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
in 2021 and we have no idea what interest rates will be by then. If | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
they were hyped it would scupper all of this thinking. To a certain | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
extent. A lot of this is premised, it is interest rates, as you say, | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
but also the idea that you need to invest in order to generate income, | :34:49. | :34:51. | |
it's not just that it's going to create jobs and therefore taxes and | :34:52. | :34:56. | |
therefore an increased budget, it's that there is going to be more money | :34:57. | :35:00. | |
circulating in the economy. This is nothing new. These are fairly sort | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
of Keynesian -based mixed economy... This is nothing new, fairly centrist | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
stuff we are talking about, just at the economic conversation has | :35:11. | :35:12. | |
shifted so far to the right that maybe it sounds a bit odd but it's | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
actually fairly ordinary, regular stuff. What you were talking about | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
in terms of a post Brexit economy, I think this is one of the key areas. | :35:21. | :35:27. | |
Sorry to interrupt, the Hillsborough campaigner Sheila Coleman is | :35:28. | :35:31. | |
introducing the pre-video. We don't carry videos of any of the party | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
conferences so we will leave the delegates to watch that and then we | :35:37. | :35:41. | |
expect Mr Corbyn to start his speech and we will go straight into the | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
hall for that. Sorry to interrupt. The Brexit issued you rightly raised | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
was one of the best ways you could focus the Labour government, wishful | :35:51. | :35:55. | |
thinking, the Labour Party! Right now, especially if they do think | :35:56. | :36:02. | |
there will be a snap election. But the Conservatives are in disarray | :36:03. | :36:05. | |
over Brexit, is it going to be hard, is it going to be soft? Single | :36:06. | :36:09. | |
Market, not Single Market, they seemed to be clueless. I'm not sure | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
what Labour's policy will be, you could file them both under C4 | :36:15. | :36:23. | |
clueless. That could be a unifying matter for Labour, they are much | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
more unified than the Conservatives. Brexit is a gift for Labour, to me, | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
because if you look at the Conservative Party, how many times | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
have we been here again and again? Premierships have been undone by the | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
iceberg of Europe and it seems to me that Theresa May must come up with a | :36:40. | :36:48. | |
deal and although she doesn't give a running commentary somewhere down | :36:49. | :36:50. | |
the line she has got to put down - this is what I'm suggesting. At that | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
moment she must turn to her party and say- look at the deal I've got. | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
There will be hard Brexit is who say "Is that it?" There is a moment when | :37:01. | :37:06. | |
she has got to meet her party and sell it to her party. If team Corbyn | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
can get their act together, if they can bring the Labour Party together | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
that is an opportunity for them when they can pile in. But you have to | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
say, given the week that they've just had, the tensions, | :37:20. | :37:24. | |
difficulties, divisions and doubts over Mr Corbyn, it's an awfully big | :37:25. | :37:27. | |
ask to think they are going to be in that position to see is that moment. | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
We heard a policy from Mr McDonnell, still to be fleshed out, we will | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
hear some policy from Mr Corbyn too, although from what I've seen still | :37:38. | :37:43. | |
quite in headline terms. But is there not a danger that for Labour | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
still there is a battle going on in the NEC, there could be a battle for | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
the bureaucracy, including the regional leaders, boundary changes | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
and creating an automatic selection process for MPs. On Saturday Jeremy | :37:59. | :38:04. | |
Corbyn won a thumping great majority but the battle for the soul of the | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
Labour Party is still raging. It is very far from over and moderates and | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
centrists, call them what you will, they have not vanished over the | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
horizon. They are gradually getting their act together. You do not think | :38:18. | :38:22. | |
they are in retreat? They took a step back, of course. They lost the | :38:23. | :38:25. | |
leadership election, they tried everything to stop Jeremy Corbyn, | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
rule changes, keeping him off the ballot paper, stampeding him into | :38:30. | :38:32. | |
resigning with the resignations but in a way they have grasped the | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
gravity of their plight and they are beginning to organise. Tom Watson's | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
speech yesterday was interesting with the pretty direct criticism of | :38:41. | :38:43. | |
Jeremy Corbyn, likewise with Sadiq Khan. They have won the | :38:44. | :38:58. | |
tussle over the NEC. I think they go away from this, not with their tail | :38:59. | :39:02. | |
between their legs, yes, they have been batted, but the feeling they | :39:03. | :39:05. | |
take away from this is we've got to do what team Corbyn does, we've got | :39:06. | :39:08. | |
to organise. They are now talking a bit Momentum light with groups | :39:09. | :39:10. | |
around the country to support MPs under pressure. So, again on, it's | :39:11. | :39:13. | |
not all going Jeremy Corbyn's way. There are significant forces trying | :39:14. | :39:18. | |
to claw back ground. The battle for the future of the Labour Party is | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
far from over. Rachel Shabi, do you think we will see some bloody | :39:23. | :39:29. | |
battles on the reselection - deselection front in certain | :39:30. | :39:35. | |
constituencies? No I think there has been exaggerated. I don't think | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
Jeremy Corbyn... He has specifically said we're not talking about | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
deselection. I understand some local MPs might feel nervous about that | :39:44. | :39:47. | |
but I do think there is a bigger picture here. It's a bit like | :39:48. | :39:50. | |
running an organisation where there has been a culture change. Some | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
people don't like the change and they will moan about it. Some at the | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
top don't represent that change. The idea is to bring people with you, | :40:00. | :40:04. | |
that is the idea, to bring people with you in the change but if they | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
continue to resist it what do you do? Maybe we will find out in a | :40:09. | :40:12. | |
minute. Let's go straight to the hall where the video has finished | :40:13. | :40:18. | |
and Mr Corbyn is about to be introduced, the delegates are | :40:19. | :40:24. | |
welcoming Mr Gobern, he's won to leadership elections in 12 months. | :40:25. | :40:36. | |
-- Mr Corbyn. He will speak for 50 minutes which will take us to 3:30pm | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
and then we will analyse what he has had to say afterwards. But we are | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
going to bring you, as we always do, the leader's speech from all of the | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
major party conferences live and uninterrupted. Let's dip into the | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
hall as Mr Corbyn takes the applause and begins his address to the party | :40:56. | :41:01. | |
faithful and to the wider electorate beyond. | :41:02. | :41:03. | |
Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the Labour Party. | :41:04. | :41:10. | |
CHANTING : yes you can. | :41:11. | :41:36. | |
JEREMY CORBYN: thank you. Thank you so much for that welcome and that | :41:37. | :41:45. | |
introduction. This hole is absolutely packed here today in | :41:46. | :41:48. | |
Liverpool and we've even got an overspill down the road. I want to | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
say thank you to everyone that is here today. | :41:53. | :41:55. | |
I want, also, before I go into my speech, to say a huge thank you to | :41:56. | :42:06. | |
all the staff of this conference Centre who have made us so welcome | :42:07. | :42:08. | |
and worked so hard here today. I want to say thank you to all of | :42:09. | :42:21. | |
our Labour Party staff for all of the work they've put in for this | :42:22. | :42:24. | |
conference today and all the other days. | :42:25. | :42:26. | |
And I want to say a big thank you to my own staff in my office in my | :42:27. | :42:36. | |
constituency and in Parliament for the huge support they give me and | :42:37. | :42:38. | |
give our party all the year round. But I've got to slightly correct | :42:39. | :42:49. | |
myself because I did say the whole is completely packed. Well, I got a | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
message on the way in from Virgin Trains. | :42:54. | :42:54. | |
LAUGHTER They have assured me there are 800 | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
empty seats in the hall. APPLAUSE | :43:00. | :43:08. | |
Either way, conference, it's a huge pleasure to be holding our party's | :43:09. | :43:15. | |
annual conference at this fantastic city. The city of Liverpool that | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
shaped our country, economy, culture and music. Liverpool has always been | :43:20. | :43:25. | |
central to the Labour Party and our movement. And I know some people say | :43:26. | :43:32. | |
campaigns and protests don't change things. But the Hillsborough | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
families have shown just how wrong that is. | :43:37. | :43:39. | |
It's taken 27 years, but those families have shown with great | :43:40. | :43:56. | |
courage and dignity, finally, that you can get truth and justice for | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
the 96 who died. I want to pay tribute to all the families and | :44:02. | :44:05. | |
campaigners for their solidarity, their commitment and their love. | :44:06. | :44:07. | |
Thank you. And, as Andy Burnham put it to | :44:08. | :44:21. | |
conference this morning, we must learn from them, and we promised | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
those campaigning for justice, for all grieve, for Shrewsbury Town for | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
thousands of workers blacklisted for being trade unionists, we will | :44:32. | :44:34. | |
support your battles for truth and justice and when we return to | :44:35. | :44:37. | |
government we will make sure you have both. | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
Because winning justice for all and changing society for the benefit of | :44:42. | :44:57. | |
all is the heart of what Labour is about. So, yes, our party is about | :44:58. | :45:03. | |
campaigning, and it's about protest too. But most of all it's about | :45:04. | :45:09. | |
winning power in local and national government, to deliver the real | :45:10. | :45:11. | |
change our country so desperately needs. | :45:12. | :45:13. | |
That's why the central task of the whole Labour Party, the whole Labour | :45:14. | :45:28. | |
Party, must be to rebuild trust and support to win the next general | :45:29. | :45:31. | |
election. APPLAUSE And form the next | :45:32. | :45:42. | |
Government. That is the Government I'm determined to lead to win power | :45:43. | :45:46. | |
for change, for Britain for the benefit of working people. | :45:47. | :45:52. | |
APPLAUSE Everyone of us in this hall today | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
knows that we will only get there if we work together and I think it is | :45:57. | :46:00. | |
fair to say after what we've been through these past few months it | :46:01. | :46:05. | |
hasn't always been exactly the case. Those months have been a testing | :46:06. | :46:12. | |
time for the whole party. First, the horrific murder of Jo Cox, followed | :46:13. | :46:16. | |
by the shock of the referendum result and then the tipping over of | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
divisions in Parliament into the leadership contest that ended last | :46:22. | :46:28. | |
Saturday. Jo's killing was a hate-filled attack on democracy that | :46:29. | :46:33. | |
shocked the whole country. Jo Cox didn't just believe in loving her | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
neighbour. She believed in loving her neighbour's neighbour and that | :46:39. | :46:42. | |
every life counted and as Jo said in her maiden speech as an MP, we have | :46:43. | :46:51. | |
far more in common with each other than things that divide us. Let that | :46:52. | :46:56. | |
essential truth guide us as we come together again to challenge this | :46:57. | :47:00. | |
Tory Government, and its shaky grip on power. | :47:01. | :47:12. | |
APPLAUSE In Jo's memory, thanks for everything she did and thanks to her | :47:13. | :47:16. | |
family and all her close friends por all they've been through and the | :47:17. | :47:19. | |
solidarity they've shown together. So we may all learn from her life. | :47:20. | :47:29. | |
APPLAUSE We've also lost good MPs like Michael Meacher and Harry | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
Harpen, they were Labour through and through, passionate campaigners for | :47:36. | :47:39. | |
a better world. Let me also pay a particular tribute | :47:40. | :47:43. | |
to those Parliamentary colleagues who stepped forward in the summer to | :47:44. | :47:52. | |
fill the gaps in the Shadow Cabinet. APPLAUSE And ensure that Labour | :47:53. | :48:04. | |
could function as an effective opposition in Parliament. They | :48:05. | :48:07. | |
actually didn't seek office, but they stepped up when their party and | :48:08. | :48:11. | |
in fact the country needed them to serve. They all deserve the respect | :48:12. | :48:15. | |
and gratitude of our party and movement and this conference should | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
thank them today. They are our future. | :48:20. | :48:26. | |
APPLAUSE We've just had our second leadership | :48:27. | :48:50. | |
election within a year. It had its fraught moments, of course, not only | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
for Owen Smith and me, and I hope we don't make a habit of it! | :48:55. | :48:58. | |
LAUGHTER But there have been some up sides to | :48:59. | :49:03. | |
it, over 150,000 new members have joined our party. | :49:04. | :49:10. | |
APPLAUSE Young rising stars have shone on the | :49:11. | :49:13. | |
frontbench and we found that the party is more united on policy than | :49:14. | :49:20. | |
we would ever have guessed. I'm honoured, deeply honoured to have | :49:21. | :49:24. | |
been re-elected by our party a second time with an even bigger | :49:25. | :49:33. | |
mandate. APPLAUSE But we all have lessons to | :49:34. | :49:38. | |
learn and a responsibility to do things better and to work together | :49:39. | :49:43. | |
more effectively. I will lead in learning those lessons and I'd like | :49:44. | :49:49. | |
to thank Owen too for the campaign and for his work as Shadow Work and | :49:50. | :49:56. | |
Pensions secretary. APPLAUSE | :49:57. | :50:00. | |
And also, of course, to the Labour Party staff, our own teams and the | :50:01. | :50:04. | |
brilliant teams that support all of our members of Parliament and our | :50:05. | :50:07. | |
party around the country. One lesson is that there is a responsibility on | :50:08. | :50:13. | |
all of us to take care with our rhetoric. Respect democratic | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
decisions, respect our differences and respect each other. We know that | :50:19. | :50:24. | |
robust debate has at times spilled over into abuse and hate around our | :50:25. | :50:29. | |
country. Including miss son-in-lawing knee | :50:30. | :52:04. | |
country. Including miss APPLAUSE We have more of our fellow | :52:05. | :52:10. | |
citizens in our party than all the other political parties in Britain | :52:11. | :52:17. | |
put together. APPLAUSE | :52:18. | :52:21. | |
Some may see this as a threat, but I see it as a vast democratic | :52:22. | :52:26. | |
resource. Our hugely increased membership is part of a movement | :52:27. | :52:31. | |
that can take Labour's message into every community and win support for | :52:32. | :52:38. | |
the election of a Labour Government. APPLAUSE Each and every one of these | :52:39. | :52:49. | |
new members is welcome in our party. And after a ten year absence, we | :52:50. | :52:54. | |
welcome back the Fire Brigades' Union into our party and to our | :52:55. | :53:04. | |
conference. APPLAUSE We are reuniting the Labour | :53:05. | :53:13. | |
family, but I want to also if I may to say thank you to the firefighters | :53:14. | :53:17. | |
and indeed all of the public sector workers who worked so hard to save | :53:18. | :53:20. | |
people during the floods last winter. Thank you for everything you | :53:21. | :53:26. | |
do. APPLAUSE | :53:27. | :53:29. | |
And over the past year, we've shown what Labour can do when the party | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
stands together. At conference a year ago, I launched our campaign | :53:35. | :53:39. | |
against cuts to tax credits and we succeeded in knocking this | :53:40. | :53:44. | |
Government back. APPLAUSE | :53:45. | :53:50. | |
This year, this year, three million families are over ?1,000 better off | :53:51. | :53:56. | |
because Labour stood together. APPLAUSE | :53:57. | :53:58. | |
In the Budget, the Government tried to take away billions from disabled | :53:59. | :54:02. | |
people, but we defeated them on that. | :54:03. | :54:11. | |
APPLAUSE And we won all four Parliamentary by-elections and I | :54:12. | :54:14. | |
welcome our new colleagues into Parliament and the great victories | :54:15. | :54:19. | |
they achieved. APPLAUSE | :54:20. | :54:21. | |
In the May elections, we overtook the Tories to become the largest | :54:22. | :54:26. | |
party nationally. We won back London with a massive win for Sadiq Khan, | :54:27. | :54:31. | |
the first Muslim Mayor of A western capital city. My congratulations | :54:32. | :54:39. | |
Sidique for that incredible win. APPLAUSE | :54:40. | :54:42. | |
And we won the Bristol mayor for the first time. | :54:43. | :54:47. | |
APPLAUSE The first black Mayor of Any | :54:48. | :54:53. | |
European city. My congratulations to Marvin. And we also won the mayor in | :54:54. | :55:02. | |
Salford and right here in Liverpool. Congratulations. | :55:03. | :55:08. | |
That's the road of advance we have to return to if we're going to | :55:09. | :55:12. | |
challenge the Tories for power and turn the huge growth in the Labour | :55:13. | :55:17. | |
Party into electoral support we need right across Britain. | :55:18. | :55:22. | |
There is no doubt that my election as Labour leader a year ago and | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
re-election this month grew out of a thirst for a new kind of politics | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
and a conviction that the old way of running the economy in the country | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
isn't delivering for more and more people. It's not, I promise you | :55:36. | :55:41. | |
about me, of course, or unique to Britain, but across Europe, and | :55:42. | :55:46. | |
North America and elsewhere, people are fed-up with the so-called | :55:47. | :55:53. | |
free-market system that has produced grotesque inequality, stagnating | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
living standards, and many calamitous foreign wars out end and | :55:58. | :56:01. | |
a political stitch-up which leaves the vast majority of people shut out | :56:02. | :56:07. | |
of power. Since the crash of 2008, the demand for an alternative and an | :56:08. | :56:12. | |
end to counter productive austerity has led to the rise of new movements | :56:13. | :56:16. | |
and parties in one country after another. But in Britain, it has | :56:17. | :56:22. | |
happened in a different way. In the heart of traditional politics, in | :56:23. | :56:26. | |
the Labour Party. Which is something we should be extremely proud of. It | :56:27. | :56:31. | |
is exactly what Labour was founded for, to be the voice of the many of | :56:32. | :56:36. | |
social justice and progressive change from the bottom up. | :56:37. | :56:39. | |
APPLAUSE But it also means it is no good | :56:40. | :56:56. | |
harking back to the tired old economic and political fixes of 20 | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
and 30 years ago because they won't work anymore. The old model is | :57:00. | :57:06. | |
broken. We're in a new era. That demands a politics and economics | :57:07. | :57:09. | |
that meets the needs of our own time. | :57:10. | :57:14. | |
Actually, even Theresa May gets it, sort of! | :57:15. | :57:17. | |
LAUGHTER That people want change, that's why | :57:18. | :57:20. | |
she stood on the steps of Downing Street and talked about the | :57:21. | :57:24. | |
inequalities and burning injustice in today's Britain. | :57:25. | :57:28. | |
LAUGHTER Well, she said it! | :57:29. | :57:32. | |
LAUGHTER In fact, she promise add country | :57:33. | :57:35. | |
that works not for a privileged few, but for every one of us. | :57:36. | :57:41. | |
But even if she manages to talk the talk, there are problems about | :57:42. | :57:44. | |
walking the walk! This isn't a new Government. It's | :57:45. | :57:51. | |
David Cameron's Government repackaged with progressive slogans, | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
but with a new harsh right-wing edge. Taking the country backwards | :57:56. | :58:00. | |
and dithering before the historic challenges of Brexit. | :58:01. | :58:10. | |
APPLAUSE Who seriously believes that the Tories could ever stand up to | :58:11. | :58:14. | |
the privileged few? They are the party of the privileged | :58:15. | :58:23. | |
few. APPLAUSE | :58:24. | :58:26. | |
Funded by the privileged few, for the benefit of the privileged few. | :58:27. | :58:37. | |
APPLAUSE Theirs is a party after all that now | :58:38. | :58:43. | |
wants to force through an undemocratic boundary review based | :58:44. | :58:48. | |
on an out of date version of the electoral register with nearly two | :58:49. | :58:52. | |
million voters missing. They've dressed it up as a bid to cut the | :58:53. | :59:00. | |
cost of politics. By abolishing 50 constituencies, but the ?12 million | :59:01. | :59:06. | |
savings are dwarfed by the expense of the 260 peers David Cameron | :59:07. | :59:11. | |
appointed at a cost of ?34 million a year. | :59:12. | :59:22. | |
APPLAUSE It's nothing more than a sin deal attempt to gerrymander the | :59:23. | :59:31. | |
next election. APPLAUSE | :59:32. | :59:33. | |
And this is from a Prime Minister who was elevated to a job without a | :59:34. | :59:40. | |
single vote being cast after a pantomime fuss which saw one leading | :59:41. | :59:44. | |
Tory after another falling on their swords. When I meet Theresa May | :59:45. | :59:48. | |
across the dispatch box I know that only one of us has been elected to | :59:49. | :59:53. | |
the office they hold by the votes of a third of a million people. | :59:54. | :00:02. | |
APPLAUSE In any case, the Tories are simply | :00:03. | :00:06. | |
incapable of responding to the breakdown of the old economic model | :00:07. | :00:12. | |
because that failed model is absolutely in their political DNA. | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
It is what they deliver every time they're in Government. Tory | :00:17. | :00:22. | |
Governments deregulate, they outsource and privatise and stand by | :00:23. | :00:26. | |
as inequality grows. They have cut taxes for the privileged few and | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
sold off our national assets, calls on the cheap and turned a blind eye | :00:31. | :00:35. | |
to their chronic tax avoidance. They're so committed to the | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
interests of the very richest, they've recruited Sir Philip Green | :00:41. | :00:48. | |
into Government as an efficiency tsar, I'm not sure what a an | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
efficiency tsar does, Government might be more efficient if the super | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
rich like Sir Philip actually paid their taxes. | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
APPLAUSE when government steps back there are | :01:02. | :01:21. | |
consequences for every one of us. What's happened to housing under the | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
Tories. House-building has fallen to the lowest level since the 1920s, | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
nearly a century ago. Homeownership is falling as more people are priced | :01:30. | :01:37. | |
out of the market. Evictions, and disgracefully homelessness and a | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
rough sleeping go up month after month, year after year. Council | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
homes are being sold off without being replaced. And another | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
consequence of that is that we, all of us, are paying over ?9 billion a | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
year to private landlords in housing benefit to pay the rent. Instead of | :01:55. | :02:01. | |
spending public money on building council housing we are subsidising | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
private landlords. That's wasteful, inefficient, and frankly poor | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
government. So, Labour will, as Teresa Pearce | :02:09. | :02:22. | |
said, build over 1 million new homes, at least half of them council | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
homes and we will control private rents so we can give every British | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
family that basic human rights, decent home. | :02:30. | :02:32. | |
It's the same in the jobs market. Without proper employment regulation | :02:33. | :02:43. | |
there has been an explosion of temporary, insecure jobs. Nearly 1 | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
million people on zero-hours contracts not knowing what their | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
earnings are going to be. There are now 6 million working people earning | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
less than the Living Wage and the poverty amongst those in work is at | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
record levels. That didn't happen by accident. The Tories have torn up | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
employment rights, and deliberately tried to weaken the organisations | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
that get people justice in work, the trade unions. | :03:15. | :03:16. | |
Of course, trade unions are not taking this lying down. Look at the | :03:17. | :03:29. | |
great campaign Unite has waged at Sports Direct to get justice for | :03:30. | :03:30. | |
exploited workers. And hold Mike Ashley to account. | :03:31. | :03:41. | |
That is why Labour will repeal the trade union act and set unions free | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
to do their jobs defending and supporting their members and rights | :03:46. | :03:46. | |
at work. And we will raise the minimum wage | :03:47. | :04:18. | |
to a real Living Wage that brings working people out of poverty and we | :04:19. | :04:24. | |
will ban zero-hours contracts, as John McDonnell... | :04:25. | :04:25. | |
APPLAUSE ... John McDonnell, our Shadow | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
Chancellor and Ian Lavery set this out very clearly at conference this | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
week. And then there is the scandal of the privatised railways. | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
More public subsidy than under the days of British rail, all going to | :04:39. | :04:45. | |
private firms, and more delays, more cancellations, and on top of that | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
the highest fares in Europe. That's why the great majority of British | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
people back Labour's plan set out so well by Andrew McDonald this week to | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
take the railways back into public ownership. | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
But if you want the most spectacular example of what happens when | :05:04. | :05:26. | |
government steps back, the global banking crash is an object lesson of | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
greed and speculation and deregulation that crashed economies | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
across the globe and required the biggest ever government intervention | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
and public bailout in history. Millions of ordinary families paid | :05:40. | :05:46. | |
the price of that failure. I pledge that Labour will never let a few | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
reckless bankers wreck our economy again. | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
So, Labour is offering solutions during this summer's leadership | :05:54. | :06:08. | |
campaign I set out ten pledges which I believe can be the platform of our | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
party's programme for the next election. They were put a conference | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
yesterday in an NEC statement. They lay out the scope of the change we | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
need to see. For full employment, a homes Guaranty, security at work, a | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
strong, public National Health Service and social care, a national | :06:27. | :06:33. | |
education service for all, action on climate change, public ownership and | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
control of our services, the cut in inequality of income and wealth, | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
action to secure an equal society and peace and justice at the heart | :06:43. | :06:44. | |
of our foreign policy. Don't worry, Conference, they are | :06:45. | :07:00. | |
not the Ten Commandments. I haven't come down from the mountain with | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
them. They are here already and they will now, of course, go to the | :07:07. | :07:09. | |
national policy Forum and the whole party needs to build on them, all | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
our brilliant members have ideas, imagination and inspiration. We want | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
to hear to have your help on refining those policies, and above | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
all, take them out of the people of this country, take them out so that | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
we get support on them. But those ten pledges, the core of the | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
platform on which I was re-elected will now form the framework of what | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
the Labour Party will campaign for and what the Labour government will | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
do. Together, they show the direction of change we are | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
determined to take command outline a programme to rebuild and transform | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
Britain. They are rooted in traditional Labour values and | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
objectives. But they are shaped to meet the challenges of the | :07:56. | :08:02. | |
21st-century. They are values Labour is united on. They reflect the views | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
and aspirations of the majority of our people, and they are values our | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
country can and will support as soon as they are given the chance to do | :08:12. | :08:12. | |
it. These pledges are not just words. | :08:13. | :08:24. | |
Already across the country Labour councils are putting Labour values | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
into action in a way that makes a real difference to the millions of | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
people, despite cynical government funding cuts that have hit Labour | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
councils, often representing the poorest parts of the country five | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
times as hard as Tory run areas. Good examples like Nottingham City | :08:40. | :08:53. | |
Council setting up the not for profit Robin Hood energy company to | :08:54. | :08:55. | |
provide affordable energy. Or Cardiff bus company taking | :08:56. | :09:05. | |
100,000 customers every day publicly owned with a passenger panel to hold | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
its directors to account. APPLAUSE | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
Or Preston council working to favour local procurement and keep money in | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
the town. Or Newcastle council providing free | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
Wi-Fi in 69 public buildings across the city. | :09:24. | :09:25. | |
Or Croydon council which has set up the company to build 1000 new homes, | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
and as Councillor Alison Butler said we can no longer afford to sit back | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
and let the market take its course. Or Glasgow, that has established a | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
high quality and flexible working places for start-up, high-growth | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
companies in dynamic new sectors. For, right here in Liverpool, set to | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
be at the global forefront of a new wave of technology - the ?50 million | :09:48. | :09:56. | |
business hub that aims to create 300 start-up businesses and 1000 jobs | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
over the next decade. There are many other examples. It's a proud Labour | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
record, each and every Labour councillor deserves our heartfelt | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
thanks for the work they do and the difficulties they endure in doing | :10:10. | :10:10. | |
it. But I want to go further because we | :10:11. | :10:24. | |
want local government to go further and put public enterprise back into | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
the heart of our economy and services to meet the needs of local | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
communities. Municipal socialism for the 21st-century as an engine of | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
local growth and development. That's why I'm announcing that Labour will | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
remove the artificial borrowing cap and allow councils to borrow against | :10:42. | :10:47. | |
their housing stock. That single measure alone... | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
APPLAUSE ... That single measure alone would | :10:54. | :10:59. | |
allow them to build an extra 12,000 council homes a year. Labour | :11:00. | :11:07. | |
councils increasingly have a policy of in-house as the preferred | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
provider and many councils have brought bin collections, cleaners | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
and IT services back in-house in sourcing privatised contracts to | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
save money for council taxpayers and ensure good terms and conditions for | :11:22. | :11:23. | |
their staff. I have said that Labour will put | :11:24. | :11:37. | |
security at work and employment and union rights from day one, centre | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
stage. But one in six workers in Britain are now self-employed. Their | :11:42. | :11:47. | |
right to value their independence but for too many it comes with | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
insecurity and a woeful lack of rights. So we will review | :11:52. | :11:54. | |
arrangements for self-employed people, including Social Security | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
that self-employed people pay for in their taxes yet aren't fully covered | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
by it. We will ensure that successful innovators have access to | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
the finance necessary to take their ideas to the next level, grow their | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
businesses and generate employment. So as part of our workplace 2020 | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
review we will make sure that our tax and social security arrangements | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
are fit for the 21st-century, consulting with self-employed | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
workers and the Federation of Small Business is. | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
If the Tories are the party of cuts and short-term as an, Labour is the | :12:30. | :12:41. | |
party of investing for the future. With the same level of investment as | :12:42. | :12:53. | |
other major economies we could be so much more, unlock so much skill, | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
ingenuity and wealth. That's why we will establish a national investment | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
bank at the heart of our plan to rebuild and transform this country. | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
And we will borrow to invest at historically low interest rates to | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
generate far greater returns. It would be foolish not to because that | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
investment is expanding the economy and the income it generates for us | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
all in the process. Even this government, after years of austerity | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
and savage cuts is starting to change its tune. I'm not content | :13:28. | :13:34. | |
with accepting second class broadband. Not content with creaking | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
railways. Not content with seeing the United States and Germany | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
investing in cutting-edge and green technologies, while we lag behind. | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
Last year, for example, the Prime Minister promised a universal | :13:49. | :13:54. | |
service obligation of 10 megabytes broadband. But since then the | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
government has done nothing, letting down entrepreneurs, businesses and | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
families, especially those in rural areas that want to grow the economy. | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
That's why we have set out proposals for in national investment bank with | :14:08. | :14:13. | |
500 billion of investment to bring our broadband, railways, our housing | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
and our energy infrastructure up to scratch. | :14:18. | :14:19. | |
A country that doesn't invest is a country that has given up, that has | :14:20. | :14:34. | |
taken the path of managed decline. A Labour government will never accept | :14:35. | :14:35. | |
second best for this country. Our country's history is based on | :14:36. | :14:50. | |
individual ingenuity and collective endeavour. We other country of Ada | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
Lovelace, Alan Turing, Tim Berners-Lee, is about Kingdom Brunel | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
and the George Stephenson, Eric Laithwaite, brilliant people that | :15:02. | :15:08. | |
created and develop so much. But the Tories have turned their back on | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
this proud British tradition. They have put privatisation and cutting | :15:13. | :15:18. | |
spending first. Britain now spends less on research as a share of | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
national income than France, Germany and the US and China. A Labour | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
government will bring research and development up to 3% of GDP. | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
Yesterday Rebecca Long-Bailey set out the terms of our industrial | :15:32. | :15:48. | |
strategy review. We need an economy that works for every part of this | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
country so that no community is left behind. And today I'm asking | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
everyone, businesses, academics, workers, trade unions, and anyone | :16:00. | :16:02. | |
who cares about our future prosperity to have a say in that | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
review. We are a wealthy country, not just in terms of money. We are | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
rich in talent, Rich in potential, that's why we have proposed a | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
comprehensive national education service at the heart of our | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
programme for government to deliver high quality education for all | :16:20. | :16:20. | |
throughout our lives. Education has always been a core | :16:21. | :16:45. | |
Labour value. From the time of the MP for Jarrow and a national | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
education system will be an essential part of a 21st estate. | :16:50. | :16:57. | |
People need to upgrade their skills without falling into debt. Britain | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
falls behind others in productivity, partly that's about investing in | :17:03. | :17:05. | |
technology and infrastructure and partly it is about investing in | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
people and their skills. How can we build and expand the sectors of the | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
future without a skilled workforce? But this Conservative Government has | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
slashed adult education budgets. Taking away opportunities for people | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
to develop their skills and leaving businesses struggling to find the | :17:25. | :17:27. | |
skilled workforce they need to succeed. So today, I'm offering | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
business a new settlement. A new deal to rebuild Britain. Under | :17:33. | :17:38. | |
Labour, we will provide the investment to rebuild Britain's | :17:39. | :17:41. | |
infrastructure. We will fund that investment because it will lead to a | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
more productive economy. Providing the basis on which our economy and | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
our businesses can thrive. Helping to provide over one million good | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
jobs and opportunities for businesses. But investment in | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
capital must include investment in human capital. The skilled workers | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
needed to make our economy a success. So this is the deal Labour | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
will offer to Beus -- to help pay for a national education service, | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
we'll ask you to pay a little more in tax. We've already started to set | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
out some of this, pledging to raise corporation tax by less than 1.5% to | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
give an Education Maintenance Allowance to college students, | :18:23. | :18:25. | |
grants to university students, so that every young learner can afford | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
to support themselves as they develop skills and get | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
qualifications. APPLAUSE | :18:35. | :18:48. | |
Business shares in economic success and it must contribute to it too. | :18:49. | :18:54. | |
And I recognise that good businesses deserve a level playing field. So I | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
also pledge to good businesses that we will clamp down on those that | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
dodge their taxes, you should not be under cut by those that don't play | :19:05. | :19:10. | |
by the rules. APPLAUSE There is nothing more | :19:11. | :19:18. | |
unpatriotic than not paying your taxes. Frankly, it is an act of | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
vandalism, damaging our National Health Service, damaging older | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
people's social care, damaging younger people's education, so a | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
Labour Government will make the shabby tax avoidance a thing of the | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
past. APPLAUSE Our national education | :19:38. | :19:47. | |
service is going to be every bit as vital as our National Health Service | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
has become. And we recognise that education isn't simply about | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
preparing for the workplace. It is also about exploration of knowledge | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
and unlocking the creativity that's there in every human being. So all | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
scul pupils should have the chance to learn an instrument, take part in | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
drama and dance, have regular access to a theatre, gallery, museum in | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
their local area. So that's why we will introduce an arts pupil premium | :20:17. | :20:23. | |
to every primary school in England and Wales and consult on the | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
national design and roll-out to extend this pupil premium to all | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
secondary schools. This will be a ?160 million boost to schools to | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
invest in projects that support cultural activities to school over | :20:40. | :20:42. | |
the longer term. It could hardly be more different from the Tory | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
approach to education. Their only plan is the return of grammar school | :20:47. | :20:52. | |
segregation and second class schooling for the majority. | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
APPLAUSE And what a great job, Angela Rayner | :20:59. | :21:04. | |
is doing in opposing them in this! APPLAUSE | :21:05. | :21:18. | |
So this Saturday, 1st October, I want you to take this message into | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
your community, that Labour is standing up for education for all. | :21:24. | :21:36. | |
APPLAUSE Grammar schools are not the only way the Tories are bringing | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
division back into our society. They're also using the tried and | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
tested tricks of demonising and scapegoating to distract from their | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
failures. Whether it is single mothers, unemployed people, disabled | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
people or migrants, Tory failure is always someone else's fault. | :21:57. | :22:07. | |
APPLAUSE And those smears have consequences from children being | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
bullied in school, to attacks on the street such as the rise in | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
disability hate crime. I'm so proud of this party. In the last year we | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
stood up to the Government on cuts to disabled people's benefits and | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
cuts to working families tax credits and on Monday our shadow work Work | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
and Pensions Secretary announced we would be scrapping the sanctions | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
regime and the degrading work capability assessment. | :22:35. | :22:55. | |
Plus plus as politicians, as political activists, as citizens we | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
have zero tolerance towards those who whip up hate and division. Stand | :23:02. | :23:10. | |
together against racism, Islamophobia and anti-semitism and | :23:11. | :23:17. | |
defend those being demonised. APPLAUSE It has been shaming to our | :23:18. | :23:26. | |
multi-cultural society that assaults on migrants have increased sharply | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
since the referendum campaign. A campaign that pedalled myths and | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
whipped up division. It isn't migrants that drive down wages. It | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
is exploitive employers and the politicians who deregulate the | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
labour market and rip up trade union rights. | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
APPLAUSE It isn't migrants who put a strain | :23:49. | :23:54. | |
on our National Health Service. It only keeps going because of the | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
migrant nurses and doctors who come here filling the gaps left by | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
politicians who failed to invest in training. | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
APPLAUSE It isn't migrants that have caused a | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
housing crisis, it is a Tory Government that has failed to build | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
homes. APPLAUSE Immigration can certainly | :24:16. | :24:24. | |
put extra pressure on services that's why under Gordon Brown Labour | :24:25. | :24:30. | |
set up the migrant impact fund to provide extra funding to communities | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
that have the largest rises in populations. Good plan. Very | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
effective. What did the Tories do? They abolished it. Then they | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
demonise the migrants for putting pressure on services. A Labour | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
Government will not offer false promises on immigration as the | :24:48. | :24:55. | |
Tories have done, we will not sow division by fanning the flames of | :24:56. | :24:58. | |
fear, whatever the outcome of Brexit negotiations and make the changes | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
that are needed. We will act decisively to end the under cutting | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
of workers pay and conditions through the exploitation of migrant | :25:09. | :25:10. | |
labour and agency working which would reduce the number of migrant | :25:11. | :25:17. | |
workers in the process. APPLAUSE | :25:18. | :25:21. | |
And we will ease the pressure on hard-pressed public services that | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
are struggling to absorb Tory austerity cuts in communities | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
absorbing new populations. Labour will reinstate the migrant impact | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
fund and give extra support to areas of high migration, using the visa | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
levy for its intended purpose. APPLAUSE | :25:40. | :25:41. | |
And we'll add a citizenship application fee levy to boost the | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
fund. That is the Labour way to tackle social tension. Investment | :25:47. | :25:52. | |
and assistance, not racism and division. | :25:53. | :26:03. | |
APPLAUSE This party campaigned hard to remain in the European Union and | :26:04. | :26:09. | |
I spoke at rallies from Cornwall to Aberdeen for our Labour campaign to | :26:10. | :26:16. | |
remain and reform, but although most Labour voters backeds, we did not | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
convince millions of Labour voters especially in those parts of the | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
country left behind, left behind by years of neglect and under | :26:25. | :26:26. | |
investment and de-industrialisation, now we have to face the future | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
together. We're not helped by patronising or lecturing those in | :26:32. | :26:34. | |
our communities who voted to leave, they have to hear their concerns | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
about jobs, public services, wages, immigration, and a future for their | :26:40. | :26:42. | |
children and we have to respect their votes and the decision of the | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
British people. Of course, that does not mean giving a blank cheque to | :26:47. | :26:55. | |
Theresa May and her three legged team of fractious Brexiteers as they | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
work up a negotiating plan, but it is unfortunately they have a | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
distraction from that because they have to squabble about whose turn it | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
is to go to a country retreat each weekend! We've made it clear that we | :27:10. | :27:16. | |
will resist a Brexit at the expense of workers' rights and social | :27:17. | :27:23. | |
justice. APPLAUSE | :27:24. | :27:27. | |
We've set out our red lines on employment, environmental and social | :27:28. | :27:30. | |
protection, and on access to the European market. But we will also be | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
pressing our own Brexit agenda including the freedom to intervene | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
in our own industries like steel. Without the obligation to liberalise | :27:42. | :27:47. | |
or privatise public services. APPLAUSE | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
And building a new relationship with Europe based on co-operation and | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
internationalism. And as Europe faces the impact of a refugee | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
crisis, fuelled by wars across the Middle East, we have to face the | :28:03. | :28:07. | |
role that repeated military interventions by British and other | :28:08. | :28:10. | |
governments have played in that crisis. | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
APPLAUSE The Chilcot Report made absolutely | :28:16. | :28:20. | |
clear the lessons to be learnt from the disastrous invasion and | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
occupation of Iraq, just as this month the Foreign Affairs Select | :28:25. | :28:27. | |
Committee report into the war in Libya demonstrated. Those lessons | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
have still to be learned a decade on. | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
APPLAUSE The consequence of those wars have | :28:36. | :28:43. | |
been a spread of terrorism, and violence across and that displaced | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
millions of people, forcing them from their countries. That's why I | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
believe it was right to apologise on behalf of the party for the Iraq | :28:51. | :28:53. | |
war. Right to say that we learned the lessons. | :28:54. | :29:01. | |
APPLAUSE And right to say... And right to say | :29:02. | :29:24. | |
that such a ka tros it is a trofy must never be allowed to happen | :29:25. | :29:29. | |
again. We need a foreign policy based on peace, justice and Human | :29:30. | :29:32. | |
Rights. I tell you this today what great news it is to hear the peace | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
treaty that's been agreed in Columbia after 50 years of | :29:37. | :29:44. | |
devastating war. APPLAUSE | :29:45. | :29:47. | |
And we need to honour our international treaty obligations on | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
nuclear disarmament as much as we do on Human Rights and other things and | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
encourage others to do the same. But we're a long way from that | :29:56. | :29:59. | |
humanitarian vision. Britain continues to sell arms to Saudi | :30:00. | :30:05. | |
Arabia, a country the United Nations says is committing repeated | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
violations of international hult war, war yims in Yemen and on | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
Sunday, it was good to stand alongside the Yemeni community here | :30:16. | :30:20. | |
in Liverpool who endorsed our call to end those arms sales to Saudi | :30:21. | :30:25. | |
Arabia. APPLAUSE | :30:26. | :30:28. | |
Just as the war crimes that are going on in other places such as | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
Syria. There has to be a political solution to the conflicts. | :30:34. | :30:35. | |
APPLAUSE Today I make it clear that under a | :30:36. | :30:51. | |
Labour government when there are credible reports of human rights | :30:52. | :30:55. | |
abuses British arms sales will be suspended, starting with Saudi | :30:56. | :30:55. | |
Arabia. Last year the votes we needed to win | :30:56. | :31:26. | |
power went many different ways in all parts of our country, while | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
millions of our potential voters stayed home. Many didn't believe | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
that we offered an alternative, it is true there is an electoral | :31:37. | :31:42. | |
mountain to climb. But if we focus everything on the needs and | :31:43. | :31:45. | |
aspirations of middle and lower-income voters, of ordinary | :31:46. | :31:51. | |
families, if we demonstrate we have a viable alternative to the | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
Government's failed policies I'm convinced, absolutely convinced, we | :31:57. | :32:00. | |
can build the electoral support that can beat the Tories. | :32:01. | :32:03. | |
This means being the voice of women, of young people, pensioners, middle | :32:04. | :32:17. | |
and lower-income workers, the unemployed, the self-employed, | :32:18. | :32:19. | |
minority communities and those struggling with the impact of | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
migration and work and everyone struggling to get on and trying to | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
secure a better life for themselves, their families and their | :32:29. | :32:36. | |
communities. Running throughout history is the struggle for equality | :32:37. | :32:39. | |
by rampant inequality has become the great scandal of our time, sapping | :32:40. | :32:46. | |
the potential of our Society, tearing at its fabric. Labour's goal | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
isn't just greater inequality of wealth and income. It's also about | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
powerful stop our aim could not be more ambitious. We want a new | :32:56. | :33:00. | |
settlement for the 21st-century in politics, in business, our | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
communities, with the environment, and in our relations with the rest | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
of the world. Every one of us in the Labour Party is motivated by the cap | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
of what our country is and what it could be. -- by the gap. | :33:13. | :33:20. | |
APPLAUSE We know that in the sixth largest | :33:21. | :33:27. | |
economy in the world the food banks, stunted life chances and growing | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
poverty alongside wealth on an undreamt of scale are a mark of a | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
shameful and totally unnecessary failure. | :33:36. | :33:38. | |
We know how great this country could be for all its people with a new | :33:39. | :33:52. | |
political and economic settlement with new forms of democratic | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
ownership driven by investment in the technology and industries of the | :33:57. | :34:01. | |
future, with decent jobs, education and housing for all, with local | :34:02. | :34:07. | |
services run by and for people, not outsourced to faceless corporations. | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
This is not backward looking. This is very much the opposite. It's the | :34:12. | :34:13. | |
socialism of the 21st-century. Our job is now to win over the | :34:14. | :34:30. | |
unconvinced of our vision. Only that way can we secure the Labour | :34:31. | :34:35. | |
government we need. And let's be frank, no one would be convinced of | :34:36. | :34:39. | |
the vision promoted by a divided party. We all agree on that. | :34:40. | :34:44. | |
APPLAUSE So I ask each and every one of you | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
to accept the decision of the members, and the trench warfare, and | :34:50. | :34:51. | |
work together to take on the Tories! Conference, anything else is a | :34:52. | :35:32. | |
luxury that the millions of people who depend on Labour cannot afford. | :35:33. | :35:38. | |
We know there will be local elections next May. In Scotland | :35:39. | :35:43. | |
where we won three by-elections this summer in Wales, thank you Labour | :35:44. | :35:50. | |
Scotland, Wales and across the counties in England, and Metro | :35:51. | :35:55. | |
mayoral elections, including right here on Merseyside, where my good | :35:56. | :35:59. | |
friend Steve Rotheram will be standing as Labour's candidate. | :36:00. | :36:06. | |
Steve, best of luck. I will miss your comradeship, your humour, your | :36:07. | :36:20. | |
criticism. LAUGHTER | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
And your wonderful support. APPLAUSE | :36:27. | :36:33. | |
And, on the same day we are going to be electing Andy Burnham in | :36:34. | :36:40. | |
Manchester and Sian Simon in Birmingham. | :36:41. | :36:45. | |
Big Labour victories on the same day. Are we agreed on that? | :36:46. | :36:59. | |
CHEERING But... | :37:00. | :37:00. | |
LAUGHTER There is always a but, isn't the? We | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
could also face a General Election next year. Whatever the Prime | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
Minister says about snap elections there is every chance Theresa May | :37:12. | :37:14. | |
will cut and run for an early election. So today we put ourselves | :37:15. | :37:21. | |
on notice. Labour is preparing for a General Election in 2017. | :37:22. | :37:24. | |
And we hope and expect all our members to support our campaign. We | :37:25. | :37:43. | |
will be ready for the challenge whenever it comes. | :37:44. | :37:51. | |
APPLAUSE Let's do it and be ready for that | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
challenge. Let's do it in the spirit of the great Scots born Liverpool | :37:56. | :38:05. | |
football manager Bill Shankly. APPLAUSE | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
Sorry, Andy, I know Andy is an Everton supporter. Don't go! Stay! | :38:10. | :38:15. | |
You're going to like it, Andy, don't worry. | :38:16. | :38:18. | |
The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal | :38:19. | :38:22. | |
and everybody having a share in the rewards. That's how I see football | :38:23. | :38:24. | |
and that's how I see life. We are not all Bill Shanklys, each | :38:25. | :38:43. | |
of us comes to our socialism from our own experiences. Mine was shaped | :38:44. | :38:52. | |
by my mum and dad, a teacher and an engineer. Both very committed | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
socialists and peace campaigners. My mum's inspiration was to encourage | :38:58. | :39:00. | |
girls to believe they could achieve anything in their lives. | :39:01. | :39:04. | |
APPLAUSE And I've met some of the people she | :39:05. | :39:10. | |
taught. She inspired so many girls to take up science and engineering | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
because of her example. And in my experience working as a volunteer | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
teacher in Jamaica when I was a young man taught me so much about | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
the strength of communities living in adversity and showing the most | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
amazing solidarity to each other in poverty and in remote communities, | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
and determined to achieve something collectively good for their entire | :39:33. | :39:34. | |
community. And later I spent years as a union | :39:35. | :39:51. | |
organiser in the National union of Public employees, representing low | :39:52. | :39:53. | |
paid workers, fighting for the national minimum wage, fighting for | :39:54. | :39:56. | |
decent wages and conditions, unions make us strong but also it's the | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
determination of people to be strong for themselves, and above all strong | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
for each other that shakes my politics, shakes my ideas and shapes | :40:06. | :40:18. | |
my values. -- shapes my ideas. As the great American poet Langston | :40:19. | :40:24. | |
Hughes put it, I see that my own hands can make the world that's in | :40:25. | :40:27. | |
my mind. Everyone here and every one of our | :40:28. | :40:41. | |
hundreds and thousands of members has some thing to contribute to our | :40:42. | :40:47. | |
cause. That's why we will unite, build on our policies, take our | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
vision out to a country crying out for change. We are 500,000 of us and | :40:52. | :40:59. | |
there will be many more, working together to make our country the | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
place it could be. Conference, united we can shape the future and | :41:05. | :41:10. | |
build a fairer Britain in a peaceful world. Thank you. | :41:11. | :41:18. | |
STUDIO: And Jeremy Corbyn getting applauded as they all rise to their | :41:19. | :41:40. | |
feet, as it comes to an end, he didn't speak for 40 minutes as we | :41:41. | :41:44. | |
were told, or 40 minutes as we were then told, he spoke for an hour and | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
he is getting a standing ovation as he waves back to the crowd promising | :41:49. | :41:55. | |
what he called a socialism for the 21st-century. He began by saying the | :41:56. | :41:58. | |
new Shadow Cabinet members that come in when so many of the older ones | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
have resigned, they are the future, he said. He wanted progressive | :42:03. | :42:05. | |
change from the bottom-up. He said the Tories were merely the party of | :42:06. | :42:08. | |
the privileged few. He saw his leadership of the Labour | :42:09. | :42:14. | |
Party and those like-minded around him as part of the trend of the | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
radical left in Europe like Syriza in Greece and put a must in Spain. | :42:21. | :42:28. | |
On policy details which were high in aspiration if low on detail. He | :42:29. | :42:34. | |
wanted 500,000 more council houses. The renationalising of the railways. | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
He said his ten point programme that he had for the party leadership | :42:40. | :42:42. | |
battle on would become the basis of party policy for the next election. | :42:43. | :42:48. | |
And that included the repeal of the Trade Union Act, which of course was | :42:49. | :42:51. | |
the Conservative reform which the last Labour government made very few | :42:52. | :42:57. | |
changes to. He offered a new deal for business that would be | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
multi-billion pound public investment in infrastructure, but he | :43:02. | :43:04. | |
was going to raise their corporation tax, the tax on their profits, to | :43:05. | :43:08. | |
pay for various educational measures. He promised that | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
educational and national education as well. He concentrated on | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
migration, tackling the consequences of immigration and extra support for | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
areas of high immigration. There was nothing, as had been briefed before, | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
about numbers and what controls there would be in place. He did say | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
there was an electoral mountain to climb but if they could capture the | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
support of middle and lower income voters then they would climb that | :43:37. | :43:44. | |
mountain. Norman Smith, the BBC's political editor, is with me. | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
Norman, what did you make of that Kozak if I'm glad I thought it was a | :43:50. | :43:53. | |
missed opportunity in a funny way because at the end of the speeches. | :43:54. | :43:57. | |
We're just hearing the red flag in the background, they are singing it, | :43:58. | :44:01. | |
just so our viewers understand. As a journalist you want to have a | :44:02. | :44:08. | |
story to tell. I'm struggling to say what it was Mr Corbyn wanted to say. | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
There was a message to the broader country. If there was a top line | :44:15. | :44:23. | |
from it there was the appeal to unity, the biggest cheer he got was | :44:24. | :44:27. | |
the line appealing for an end to trench warfare, divided parties | :44:28. | :44:31. | |
don't win elections. But a lot of it felt to me a bit of a comfort | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
blanket for his party, going through policies that yes, his party | :44:36. | :44:39. | |
absolutely loves, getting rid of zero-hours contracts, nationalising | :44:40. | :44:42. | |
railways, in national investment bank. All of that sort of stuff goes | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
down very well with his party. But if unity was to be a central message | :44:47. | :44:58. | |
I think he needed to do more. I think there was a slight element at | :44:59. | :45:01. | |
the beginning of his speech, and you picked it out when he lauded those | :45:02. | :45:03. | |
who had gone into the Shadow Cabinet, and he said very | :45:04. | :45:05. | |
deliberately, they are the future. In other words, all of you big | :45:06. | :45:08. | |
Labour beasts from the past who have been given so much grief, forget it, | :45:09. | :45:11. | |
you are not the future. That's not a message to bring people together. So | :45:12. | :45:14. | |
it will go down terrifically well. Performance wise, actually, he has | :45:15. | :45:18. | |
improved because sometimes he can be a bit of a mumble, a bit in | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
different. He looked more confident. It was a much improved performance | :45:24. | :45:34. | |
on last year, more confident, more vocal, more relaxed as lead and | :45:35. | :45:36. | |
comfortable in his skin as leader. But if you are a voter sitting at | :45:37. | :45:39. | |
home I don't think you take much from some of the very Corbyn -esque | :45:40. | :45:43. | |
lines about stopping arms sales to Saudi Arabia, or peace in Colombia. | :45:44. | :45:50. | |
I just don't think that really grabs people out there. I'm not sure what | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
his offer was to the electorate. So, you know, it will make people feel | :45:56. | :45:59. | |
good. Whether it actually gets any traction out with this conference | :46:00. | :46:06. | |
chamber I'm not sure. As we move from country-macro to Jerusalem you | :46:07. | :46:09. | |
might hear in the background, Rachel Shabi, what is your take? I agree it | :46:10. | :46:19. | |
was a much more confident, capable performance we have seen a step | :46:20. | :46:22. | |
change in the way Corbyn comes across. In terms of narrative arc | :46:23. | :46:31. | |
there definitely was one. What Corbyn was doing over an hour, was | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
it? It was an hour, maybe a few seconds short. It was very carefully | :46:38. | :46:43. | |
and slowly, steadily building an ark whereby the Conservative government | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
is old, it's out of touch, it's privileged, its elite, it doesn't | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
have the capability to tackle the very urgent needs of the country. So | :46:53. | :46:57. | |
he set up the Tory party as being out of date, out of touch, | :46:58. | :47:01. | |
ill-equipped and constantly letting the country down. Meanwhile, all the | :47:02. | :47:04. | |
while building up a narrative of the Labour Party as being modern, | :47:05. | :47:10. | |
forward-looking, progressive, wants to invest, wants to innovate. He | :47:11. | :47:16. | |
spoke about a patriotism that comes from a Britain that innovates, that | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
builds things, that designs things, that makes thinks. He spoke about | :47:21. | :47:23. | |
investing in that. He drew people together, I think, within a sort of | :47:24. | :47:31. | |
shared narrative that is, we can find solutions, we are struggling at | :47:32. | :47:34. | |
the moment but we can find solutions and we do it by investing and | :47:35. | :47:38. | |
innovating and looking forward. These are all things the | :47:39. | :47:41. | |
Conservative government cannot and does not know how to do. | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
That maybe the game or the aim because Neil Kinnock tried to do | :47:47. | :47:52. | |
that with the Tories in 1990 and when they changed leaders from | :47:53. | :47:56. | |
Thatcher to Major, the public kind of thought, it is like a new | :47:57. | :47:59. | |
Government and in some ways the polls suggest the public also think | :48:00. | :48:03. | |
that with the demise of Mr Cameron and his set, this is a new | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
Government too. Yes, I thought there was a narrative he could have | :48:08. | :48:10. | |
grasped there, but I don't think he did and he kind of touched on it | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
lightly which was this idea we are in a new era, a different politics, | :48:16. | :48:22. | |
the old model is broken, which he genuinely believes and it was done | :48:23. | :48:25. | |
in a paragraph and I think you could build a story around this. This is a | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
new era, I represent a different way of doing things. I felt it got lost | :48:30. | :48:35. | |
in what almost became a list of policy statements which we already | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
knew. The new policy, I counted two, slash three, one was the idea of | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
allowing councils to borrow to build council house, fine, very worthy, | :48:44. | :48:47. | |
but probably technocratic and dull for most viewers. There was an | :48:48. | :48:51. | |
announcement I think on a pupil premium, an arts pupil premium which | :48:52. | :48:55. | |
again sounded sort of slightly under powered. It didn't seem to me there | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
was an offer to the British people in policy and then if you are not | :49:00. | :49:03. | |
going to do that, you have to impart a vision and I don't think he gave | :49:04. | :49:07. | |
that vision. I think if he had managed to grip this idea we're in a | :49:08. | :49:12. | |
different world, things are different and I represent that, | :49:13. | :49:14. | |
there was a potential to develop that story, but I don't think he got | :49:15. | :49:21. | |
there. Halfs in it for the disillusioned PLP? I think again, it | :49:22. | :49:27. | |
was actually quite deliberate and quite clever of Corbyn, he didn't | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
really attack, he didn't do any attacking. He didn't talk about | :49:32. | :49:37. | |
unity much either. But he did try and unify the party along the lines | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
of this common message, this common narrative, this new era, new | :49:43. | :49:46. | |
solutions for a crisis. It is interesting that you mention | :49:47. | :49:50. | |
housing. Housing is of course one of the biggest issues, most people will | :49:51. | :49:53. | |
be feeling the effects of a housing crisis. Most people in the country | :49:54. | :49:57. | |
were feeling that and for him to signal that is a really big deal, | :49:58. | :50:01. | |
but he did signal other policies like investment in innovation, he | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
talked about raising corporation tax specifically to pay for education. | :50:06. | :50:12. | |
So he signalled the beginning of or the return of Education Maintenance | :50:13. | :50:15. | |
Allowance which is a really big deal. We're going to move on. We | :50:16. | :50:20. | |
have got to let Norman go, because he has 53 other outlets to service | :50:21. | :50:24. | |
between now and later this evening. Norman, thank you for being with us. | :50:25. | :50:30. | |
We want to find out, you heard how two of the journalists felt about | :50:31. | :50:38. | |
the speech, how how did it go down with a few of the party members. | :50:39. | :50:46. | |
Andrew Fleming is outside the conference hall. Hello, we're live | :50:47. | :50:50. | |
on the BBC, what did you think of the speech? Absolutely brilliant. | :50:51. | :50:53. | |
Inspiring. We're going to win the next election. Butterflies in the | :50:54. | :50:58. | |
stomach? Absolutely, didn't it you? No comment scham What did you think | :50:59. | :51:02. | |
of the speech? Very good speech. It was amazing. What do you think the | :51:03. | :51:06. | |
theme was? Was there a message or a storyline that he was talking about? | :51:07. | :51:10. | |
I think it was a fairer society. Somebody who works in the NHS, we | :51:11. | :51:14. | |
see the inequality, we see the need for reinvestment and he says the | :51:15. | :51:17. | |
right things and the people responded to that very positively. | :51:18. | :51:21. | |
So keep the fingers crossed, yes. Thank you very much. Hello there, | :51:22. | :51:26. | |
you're live on the BBC, what did you think of the speech? It was very | :51:27. | :51:30. | |
good. It covered loads of things that everybody is really feeling | :51:31. | :51:35. | |
passionate and I'm one of the many thousands that came back to the | :51:36. | :51:41. | |
Labour Party. What did you think of the speech? He has given us a clear | :51:42. | :51:49. | |
platform to go out and fight for this country. I I think Jeremy st | :51:50. | :51:54. | |
going forward and we're addressing the concerns and the party and I | :51:55. | :51:58. | |
think we can rebuild and build a Britain that we want to see. Who was | :51:59. | :52:04. | |
inspired by the speech? No. Not at all. Very disappointed. What was the | :52:05. | :52:10. | |
problem? There was a lot of talking about what is problematic and there | :52:11. | :52:14. | |
was a lot of saying great, why we should change that and I'm waiting | :52:15. | :52:18. | |
to hear how we're going to change that. We're going to change it. He | :52:19. | :52:25. | |
talked about the changes in, to the companies that are going to make a | :52:26. | :52:31. | |
contribution to improve education. He talked about we're going to be | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
more welcoming of people coming into this country. He talked about | :52:36. | :52:38. | |
building more houses. He talked about a bank that is going to invest | :52:39. | :52:45. | |
in this country. He is talking all the practical things. We're going to | :52:46. | :52:49. | |
get out there, I hope, you as well, and we're going to persuade people | :52:50. | :52:52. | |
that what he said is absolutely right. It is about the needs of the | :52:53. | :52:58. | |
many, not the few, it is not the Tories who are who are just | :52:59. | :53:03. | |
interested in a few. We will let you carry on that discussion later on. | :53:04. | :53:08. | |
Who thought Jeremy Corbyn's speaking style has improved? | :53:09. | :53:12. | |
Do you think Jeremy Corbyn's speaking style has improved? Yes, | :53:13. | :53:15. | |
very good. That's all from the delegates here | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
on the conference floor where you can buy a copy of Jeremy Corbyn's | :53:20. | :53:26. | |
speech if you really want a keepsake. Back to you. | :53:27. | :53:31. | |
STUDIO: That was our Adam there, not quite in the spirit of unity. They | :53:32. | :53:38. | |
are only walking out and after 30 seconds they are arguing amongst | :53:39. | :53:42. | |
themselves, but it was interesting. Rachel, housing, you mentioned | :53:43. | :53:46. | |
rightly, it is one of, I think, the undercovered, but huge policy issues | :53:47. | :53:51. | |
that faces, but I have covered manifestos going on from the Labour | :53:52. | :53:57. | |
one in 1997 through to the Tory one in 2010 and the Tory one again in | :53:58. | :54:02. | |
2015 all promising much more housing and it hardly ever happens. They | :54:03. | :54:06. | |
seem to run up against planning constraints, local council | :54:07. | :54:09. | |
constraints and so on, I'm not quite sure if anybody yet knows how to | :54:10. | :54:14. | |
break the log jam on this? I moon, I do think that this is something that | :54:15. | :54:17. | |
Jeremy Corbyn really believes in. I remember interviewing him a few | :54:18. | :54:21. | |
months ago and asked him what the most important thing in terms of | :54:22. | :54:24. | |
domestic policy was and howst housing was number one. And rightly | :54:25. | :54:31. | |
because it does affect, we all know how big an impact it has had on our | :54:32. | :54:35. | |
society. How short we are of housing? How short we are of housing | :54:36. | :54:40. | |
stock. I think there is a reason why this has become at the fore front of | :54:41. | :54:44. | |
Labour Party policy. I guess the issue is how do you deliver? You | :54:45. | :54:49. | |
build. That's true, but he has got two problems, one is getting | :54:50. | :54:53. | |
planning per Marks because councils are reluctant to release land, is he | :54:54. | :54:57. | |
going to overrule them from Whitehall which would fly in the | :54:58. | :55:00. | |
face of a lot of the rhetoric we heard this week and secondly, the | :55:01. | :55:03. | |
biggest demand for houses tends to be in areas where there are Tory | :55:04. | :55:07. | |
councils and that's another thing he has got toe overcome? Yeah, but I | :55:08. | :55:11. | |
think the most important thing to overcome is the lack of willing to | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
do it and that's what the Tory Government and the coalition | :55:16. | :55:18. | |
Government before it demonstrated. There was no interest in | :55:19. | :55:22. | |
replenishing the social housing stock and there was no interest in | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
providing more housing. There was a complete lack of capacity to | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
understand how much of a problem it was causing for people both renting | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
and not able to buy. So I think actually the biggest obstacle is the | :55:36. | :55:40. | |
desire to do so. Would you agree with him, would you | :55:41. | :55:43. | |
place what he has done to the Labour Party and the forces he represents | :55:44. | :55:52. | |
in the Labour Party there with the party in Spain and Greece which has | :55:53. | :55:56. | |
challenged the traditional Socialist Party? Was I right in thinking he | :55:57. | :56:02. | |
was saying we've channelled their radicalism and reinvented the Labour | :56:03. | :56:05. | |
Party rather than done it from outside? Yes, he did talk about | :56:06. | :56:09. | |
that. He spoke about a sort of 21st century socialism. So he made it | :56:10. | :56:14. | |
very clear that this isn't an old-style, this isn't going | :56:15. | :56:18. | |
backwards, this is very much a modern socialism for a modern | :56:19. | :56:22. | |
society facing modern crisis and those parties that you spoke about, | :56:23. | :56:28. | |
across Europe, came about because of the same sort of economic and social | :56:29. | :56:32. | |
crisises that we're seeing across Europe. In the UK that has happened | :56:33. | :56:41. | |
within an existing party. Primarily, I think, because the party system | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
cannot accommodate any other manifestation. We have only got a | :56:46. | :56:49. | |
couple of minutes to go. Len McCluskey joined us. Good to see | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
you. Which speech did you prefer, Tom Watson's or Jeremy Corbyn's? | :56:54. | :56:58. | |
Jeremy Corbyn's. Tom's speech was about yesteryear's politics. I think | :56:59. | :57:01. | |
what we have seen today was a leader. Somebody who spelt out a | :57:02. | :57:05. | |
vision and a vision that is desperately needed in our country | :57:06. | :57:09. | |
and that call for unity and what Labour can achieve when we are | :57:10. | :57:13. | |
together I think was very powerful and very inspiring. Where did your | :57:14. | :57:19. | |
attack on Tom Watson's speech fit into the call for unity What attack. | :57:20. | :57:27. | |
A critique, an opinion which I said that I thought Tom was going back to | :57:28. | :57:32. | |
the third way of playerism. That was for a different era and I said that | :57:33. | :57:37. | |
really is not a vision anymore. So, of course, it is about Jeremy asked | :57:38. | :57:43. | |
us to wipe the slate clean and perhaps unite, perhaps I need to be | :57:44. | :57:46. | |
careful about my rhetoric as well, Andrew. Well, don't we all at times? | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
Do you think the Parliamentary Labour Party needs to change to | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
reflect more the kind of Labour Party that Mr Corbyn was outlining | :57:56. | :58:02. | |
in his speech today? I think that's a great question and when you are a | :58:03. | :58:05. | |
representative of a party, you have to understand if the party is | :58:06. | :58:10. | |
changing and I'm sure that the vast majority of the PLP will recognise | :58:11. | :58:14. | |
that the party as changed and there is a vision and a commitment there | :58:15. | :58:18. | |
and I think they'll come back to support the leader and effectively | :58:19. | :58:21. | |
support the membership that put them there. We almost have to go, but | :58:22. | :58:26. | |
you're up for re-election soonment are you running again Oh, a long | :58:27. | :58:30. | |
time yet. A long time. Are you going to run again? I will let you know | :58:31. | :58:35. | |
when I decide. Go on, we need a story. My executive and members will | :58:36. | :58:39. | |
know first. Should he run again? I think that's between him and his | :58:40. | :58:45. | |
conscience. It is between him and his members! His members as well. | :58:46. | :58:50. | |
Len McCluskey, I'm sorry it was so rushed. He should have cut down his | :58:51. | :58:54. | |
speech and we would have had more time to talk! Come back and see us. | :58:55. | :58:59. | |
It is always a pleasure. That's from the Labour Party conference in | :59:00. | :59:04. | |
Liverpool. It finished with Mr Corbyn's speech calling for a | :59:05. | :59:08. | |
socialism suited to the 21st century. Jo will be back with more | :59:09. | :59:12. | |
Daily Politics at midday on BBC Two and I'll be back on BBC One tomorrow | :59:13. | :59:17. | |
night after Question Time when I have no idea who our guests will be! | :59:18. | :59:28. | |
But maybe Mr Portillo will have got off his train if not his trolley. | :59:29. | :59:29. | |
Bye-bye. There were two areas of fingerprints | :59:30. | :59:45. | |
on the carrier bag. | :59:46. | :59:47. |