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30/09/2016

Carolyn Quinn is in the hot seat and is joined by Tim Montgomerie of the Times and Barbara Ntumy from the campaign group Momentum.


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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.

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Theresa May is preparing for her first party conference

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as Prime Minister and says she's getting on with the

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She's sought to dampen any speculation of an early

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But are there any circumstances in which she might be

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The Chancellor announces an and to government's

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The Chancellor announces an end to government's

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So is the dream of home ownership now even further away

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As the Rosetta Mission comes to an end we look at the future

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And do Labour Party members think Jeremy Corbyn

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Adam takes his balls out at Labour conference.

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Absolutely. Definitely, 100%? 100%. Nothing will get in his way? I hope

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not. All that in the next hour,

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and with me for the whole programme today are the Times columnist

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Tim Montgomerie and Barbara Ntumy, an activist with Momentum,

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the grassroots organisation that First today, the Vice Chairman

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of Momentum, Jackie Walker, has said she will not resign after

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being accused of anti-Semitism. Ms Walker says "political

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differences" were underlying many She's come under fire after leaked

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footage emerged of an anti-Semitism training event in which she appeared

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to criticise Holocaust Memorial Day. I still haven't heard a definition

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of anti-Semitism that I can work with. In terms of Holocaust Day, I

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would also like to say, wouldn't it be wonderful if Holocaust Day was

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open to all people who experienced... It is! In practice,

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it's not actually circulated and advertised. It's on the website.

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The sound was a bit distorted, but Jackie Walker was effectively saying

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that she hadn't heard a definition of anti-Semitism that she could work

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with. Barbara Ntumy, as a member of Momentum, do you think she has to

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go? I think the Labour Party and Momentum will deal with her

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properly. I think her comments are wrong. As a student I had the

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opportunity in 2012 to go to Poland and visited Auschwitz. Commemorating

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the Holocaust is something we absolutely must do, it was a

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systematic attempt to get rid of a group of people, Jewish people, and

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that's why we commemorate it every year, it's a society we don't ever

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want to live in again. Those comments are not acceptable in that

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room or anywhere and I don't agree with her at all. You condemn her

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comments? 100%. She has been called upon to resign from the steering

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committee is being vice-chairman of Momentum. There are also calls from

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the general secretary of the TSSA union to quit Labour as well. I

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think the Labour Party should deal with that accordingly. Her comments

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were not right and we have a process to deal with it. Labour Party should

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follow that up. In Momentum I am told that the process is going

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through as well. Whether or not she chooses to resign is up to her, but

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as a party and as Momentum, we will deal with her appropriately. I don't

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know what the outcome of that will be. It comes at a time when the

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question of anti-Semitism within Labour is rife. You have Jewish

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Labour MPs complaining of anti-Semitic attacks. Shami

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Chakrabati's report into anti-Semitism was criticised as a

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whitewash. Why can't the party get a grip on this? Jeremy Corbyn

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mentioned it twice in his speech, but there is still be sense he

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doesn't really understand the anger and frustration that is caused by

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failing to clamp down on it. I think Jeremy Corbyn has been 100% clear

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that anti-Semitism is not tolerated in the party. Has he been clear

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enough? I think he has been clear. There are individuals who are still

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not saying these things but are not OK. I look for the Labour Party to

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follow the disciplinary process and if it comes to it, they should not

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be members of the party any more. We need to continue to talk about these

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issues, they are very important and we need to continue to denounce

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people who make inappropriate comments like this. I think looking

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forward with Jeremy's new mandate, I'm looking to things we can do to

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set aside these fears of Jewish MPs and members. The struggle against

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all forms of racism that plagues so only people's lives. Tim, to bring

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you in on this. One of the points she made was about Holocaust

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Memorial Day. She didn't realise it was intended to commemorate all

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victims of the Nazi Holocaust and other post-World War II genocides

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like Rwanda and Bosnia. Is it fair to say that a lot of people don't

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realise that Holocaust Memorial Day goes beyond? I think it probably is.

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I welcome what Momentum seems to be saying in response to this. In that

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audio we heard, one of the most encouraging things was, as Jackie

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Walker made her remarks, a lot of people in the audience were speaking

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out audibly against her. We seem to be moving to a phase now where are

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within Momentum and the Labour Party, there is an awareness that

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there is a problem, and people are speaking out against it. I think

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there may be progress, even under Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, that we

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should appreciate. More from you throughout the programme.

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At the Labour conference, Jeremy Corbyn confirmed

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that he was putting his party on an election footing,

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in the expectation of a possible early poll in the spring.

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At the Tory conference in Birmingham next week,

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there'll no doubt be plenty of speculation about

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whether the Prime Minister will do just that and call

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But, so far, Theresa May has ruled it out before 2020.

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Here she is on the Andrew Marr show earlier this month.

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had the referendum vote, we have a period of stability. There is a

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challenge ahead in making sure that we make a success out of coming out

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of the European Union. I think it's important we focus on that and the

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other reform agenda I have for the country as we go forward. And we

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will be continuing the manifesto on which the Conservative government

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was elected in 2015. I don't think there's the need for an election and

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I think the next election will be in 2020.

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Theresa May speaking to Andrew Marr earlier this month.

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However, senior Conservatives have suggested Mrs May should retain

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the option of an early election if her MPs block the return

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Speaking to The Times, the former Chancellor Lord Lawson

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said a "wholly new situation would arise" if she were unable

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to get her legislation through the House of Commons.

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To discuss this and many other issues as we head into the

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Tory conference is the former Business Minister Anna Soubry.

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Welcome to the programme. You have spoken out against Theresa May's

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proposals for new grammar schools. Are you pining to vote against them?

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I don't think we are there yet. We have the consultation out and we

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need to see the results of the consultation before we all jump into

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thinking there will be some backbench rebellion and all the rest

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of it. You think they might not even get to the point of getting to the

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vote? It is a consultation. No disrespect to you, but I think the

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media is scrabbling around the stories because we don't have an

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opposition in this country, so we have a vacuum and the media fills it

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with stories like this. It's a nonstory in my view. It's one of the

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earliest new announcements Theresa May has come forward with. She is

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clearly very keen to reintroduce some sort of selection throughout

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the school system in England. If it does come to the question of a vote,

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and if that vote is lost, or, for example, she loses a vote on

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boundary changes, could that put pressure on her to call an early

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general election? I think this is so hypothetical. I think out here in

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the real world, if I may say, I don't think people are talking about

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these things at all. It's a bit of a media bubble, Westminster bubble

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thing. I just don't think there's any background to it at all. It's so

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hypothetical. I think Theresa May has made it very clear she doesn't

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intend to call a general election. Everybody tends to forget we have a

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fixed Parliament act, so you can't just call one, you need two thirds

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of MPs to agree, or have a vote of no confidence followed up by another

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vote. No disrespect, but this is completely hypothetical media bubble

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stuff. You're saying it's hypothetical to talk about the

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possibility of an early general election, but the issue of grammar

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schools is not hypothetical. Turning to Tim Montgomery, do you agree that

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if she is struggling to get her legislation through on grammar

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schools, if it gets to the Commons, despite Anna Soubry doubting that,

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do you think she should call eight election? Yes I do. I'm hoping what

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we will get in Birmingham this week from the Conservatives is an agenda,

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a response to the Brexit vote. Anna Soubry and I were on different sides

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of the Brexit debate but we both agree with what Theresa May said on

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the steps of Downing Street, people voted for change in social policy. A

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lot of people out there are hurting. I hope we will get a radical agenda

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this week on housing, for example. Other things the Conservative Party

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have perhaps neglected for a while. If we start to see the House of

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Lords or backbench Tory MPs or the Labour opposition frustrate Theresa

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May's agenda on those things, I think she has to reserve the right

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to say, I'd need these things to be done and I will go to the country

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for a mandate. It might not be her intention, her primary plan, but she

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needs to retain the option and she will get the mandate from the

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British people. Anna Soubry's point about the fixed term Parliament act,

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it's not easy to call an election. It's not easy but Jeremy Corbyn and

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Tim Farron have made it clear they would not stand in a way of the

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Prime Minister wanting a general election and they don't want to look

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scared of that election. Yes, there are technical difficulties as Anna

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Soubry has said, but I think they are easily overcome. Can I just say

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that Jeremy Corbyn really would be a turkey voting for Christmas if he

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possibly thought it was in his or his party's interest to go to the

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electorate. The only person who apparently once that on the Labour

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site is Peter Mandelson, who knows they would get hammered and then

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they can sort out the Labour Party. Wouldn't be advantageous for the

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Conservatives then? Good Theresa May be thinking, this is my moment, I

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could go when Labour is at its weakest. No because Ted makes a

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really good point, because now she has spoken on the steps of Downing

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Street talking about what she wants to deliver, a better society for

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everybody. -- because Tim makes a really good point. That's absolutely

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right, that everything we do in government is for the good of

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everybody. We have to get on with that, just as we have to get on and

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sort out this wretched Brexit business. We still don't know what

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leave means three months on. Ken Clarke, your colleague, said this

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week that nobody in the government has the first idea of what they will

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do next on the Brexit front. Do you share his assessment? I share his

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concern. Three months on, as I say, we still don't know what leave looks

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like. Some of the senior people of the Leave campaign sit at the

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highest level of government, Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, Andrea

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Leadsom, Liam Fox, and they have to say what Brexit means, what leave

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looks like. They need a plan and need to know what the guiding

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principles are. Theresa May will need to know what that is, she's the

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Prime Minister, and it's not for her to rely on Boris, Liam Fox and David

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Davis, she has to come forward and say what the guiding principles and

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plan is. She doesn't want to give away the detail of negotiation, but

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we need to know what Brexit will look like and we still don't. Does

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Tim have any inside knowledge? Liam Fox gave a big hint yesterday that

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he certainly wants us out of the single market. Is there enough

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knowledge going around? I think the government made it absolutely clear

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that the ending of the Freeman Tov movement -- the freedom of movement

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is the number-1 point. Immigration was at the heart of the reason why

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British people voted to leave the European Union. A lot of people at

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the top of government, not least Philip Hammond and George Osborne in

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a speech in Chicago made it clear last week that he would like

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continued membership in some form of the single market. I think that's

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where the ambiguity still lies. The freedom of movement has to end, and

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that will be key to Brexit, but how much access membership we get to the

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single market, that's the controversial area to still be

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decided. I don't think it's wrong to expect the government to take time

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to establish what our European counterparts think in this before

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rushing to a decision. Three months isn't actually that long in such a

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big decision. It might be in next few days in Birmingham we will get

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more clarity. Anna Soubry, you spoke out about Britain remaining in the

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single market after the Brexit vote but we had EU leaders telling us

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that it means accepting freedom of movement. Tim is saying the British

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people voted to end freedom of movement, immigration being one of

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the big issues, so how do you reconcile those two? He's right that

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immigration was a big issue for some people. You can't say that everybody

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who voted to leave did so on the grounds of immigration, you can't

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say that. But it was a big issue. I thought people were saying they

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wanted control over immigration. And in fact some people were voting for

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leave because they wanted to see more migrants coming into work here

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from different parts of the world, non-EU countries, so it's a real

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mishmash. It was absolutely clear that people wanted control of the

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Borders. Every opinion poll conducted shows much higher

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percentage than 52% want control of immigration. Does that mean more or

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less immigration? Less immigration. I think you are in denial if you try

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to pretend that's what the British people voted for. I also think we've

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never had a proper debate about immigration. Nobody has properly

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made the positive case for immigration. Yesterday in the real

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world I was talking to a business in my constituency, which employs a

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high number of EU workers, and genuinely is now having serious

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problems with recruitment and retention. EU workers who come here

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to work, who do jobs that it is born people will not or cannot do, and

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they are finding themselves now in serious trouble and they need to

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know from this government what sort of security they can offer EU

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workers, they rely on them to conduct their business and without

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them they will not bid to do the great business they do. That's life

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in the real world. Are you saying it was a big failure

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on the part of the Remain campaigners not to spell out the

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positives of immigration? Yes, absolutely right. People have not

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made the case positively for white immigration, migration of workers

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coming into our country has positively benefited our country for

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centuries and the realities of it. There are many parts of our country

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now which have full employment levels and their businesses which

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cannot survive without that free movement of labour. I am sorry, but

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people have got to get real about what is happening in the real world

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and what is going on out there, and the real problem is that British

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business face. Freedom of movement will be one of the crux issues to be

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discussed in the future negotiations. Tim Montgomerie, you

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recently suggested on Twitter that Theresa May may be bad at the crunch

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moment decisions. What do you mean by that and do you stand by that

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now? A year ago she gave a big bold speech on immigration when she was

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still Home Secretary at the party conference. Many of us assumed if

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she was serious about that speech and controlling immigration she

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would back Brexit but she did not. Was cheap lily lifted then as there

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were reports that she did not -- was she lily livered then? She made

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Jeremy Corbyn like an enthusiastic campaigners for remaining in the

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European Union. And there were a few decisions like Hinkley Point in the

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summer where she marches troops to the top of the hill, only to march

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them down again. We need boldness over the next few months. And yet

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you left the Conservative Party under David Cameron. You have

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rejoined under Theresa May. Are you saying you trust her to deliver it

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Brexit in the way you want? What I think is interesting is how Tory

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MPs, Anna Soubry is a very principled exception to this, but

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how most Tory MPs who backed Remain, have considered the commitment to

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Brexit. Anna Soubry is clearly reluctant about accepting it. When

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do you think the government should get on with triggering article 50?

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Bob Crow can I make this clear? I accept the verdict of the British

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people. We said if you vote out, we will get out? ... When should

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Article 50 B triggered? We need to know what the principles are. We

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need to know what the planners. Obviously, we have to move towards

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that. My concern at the moment is from government, all we are hearing

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from its people like Liam Fox who are talking in a way which at times

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concerns me that he's almost delusional. Just picking up what

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Anna said, you cannot say you accept the result and then say freedom of

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movement some have asked to continue and we will remain a member of the

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single market. That does not add up as an honest acceptance of how

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people voted. And the timing for the triggering of article 50. Because

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the French and German elections next year, nothing much will happen until

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they have chosen their new leader. If we trigger early next year, we

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will have six months where Germany and France are not engaged and it

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will be six wasted months. He is right, we agree on that! Thank you.

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Former Liberal Democrat MP John Hemming, known for his tireless

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campaigning, has been locked in a long running battle

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with Birmingham council over garden waste collection.

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He hasn't been very successful so far, but not one to give up,

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he's taken the case to a higher authority.

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So our question for today is, where's he taken it?

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At the end of the show Tim and Barbara will give us

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Today, the Government has announced the early closure of one

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of George Osborne's flagship schemes to get people onto

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The Help to Buy scheme for England and Wales is being brought to a

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close six month early. The government says it has achieved its

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goal but it is also being seen as another break from the Cameron era.

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Chancellor Philip Hammond has said he will close the Help to Buy scheme

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which offered state-backed mortgages to those who could only afford

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The scheme helped 185,000 people but has been criticised for pushing

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up house prices while doing nothing to address the underlying shortage

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Latest figures from the government's House Price Index show the average

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a full ?63,000 more than a decade ago.

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Meanwhile, London mayor Sadiq Khan has ordered an inquiry

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into the scale and impact of foreign investment

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He has called for more transparency, warning that a flood of "dirty

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money" from abroad is causing "real concerns" for people struggling

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A survey by the Institute for Fiscal Studies today shows that

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people born in the early 1980s are only half as wealthy as those

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born the decade before were at the same age.

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Just 40% of those born in the 1980s are owner-occupiers at the age

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of 30, compared with at least 55% in previous generations.

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We're joined now by the head of policy at housing charity

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Welcome to the programme. Shelter gave plans for Help to Buy a

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cautious welcome when they were announced in 2013. Do you support

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its scrappage today? I think many people will not notice that it has

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gone. When it was first launched it was plugging a gap in the market

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where those very low deposit loans that a lot of people used in the

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2000s and the 90s to buy had dried up in the wake of the recession and

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this scheme was trying to replicate those. The market is sort of

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providing those again but also people are realising with house

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prices where they are and incomes where they are, it is not so much

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the deposit which is the issue any more, it is the whole affordability

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picture. It delivered double the number of houses it was supposed to

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select was working for a lot of people? It was working for a time

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but if you look at numbers it has dwindled. We are not concerned about

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the fact it will be withdrawn. What we are concerned about is the piece

:24:13.:24:17.

of the puzzle which was always missing, the emphasis on building

:24:18.:24:21.

genuinely affordable homes, still is not on the table. We will be looking

:24:22.:24:24.

at the prime list next week to really set out our plans for what

:24:25.:24:35.

she will do for on low and middle incomes, as well as the more

:24:36.:24:37.

affluent people who took advantage of Help to Buy. The Conservatives

:24:38.:24:40.

have pledged to build 1 million homes as has Jeremy Corbyn, he has

:24:41.:24:46.

said 500,000 of them will be council homes. The question is affordability

:24:47.:24:52.

and house prices being pushed up beyond the realms of affordability?

:24:53.:24:57.

People have got cynical about the big numbers being announced. The

:24:58.:25:00.

fact is, people see homes going up in their area, and they know if they

:25:01.:25:05.

are on an ordinary age, they do not have a hope of buying it if it is a

:25:06.:25:10.

full market sale. That is why the mayor's announcement is interesting.

:25:11.:25:13.

People have got cynical about the fact they cannot afford anything.

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That is why, when the Prime Minister puts more flesh on the plans to

:25:20.:25:22.

build a million homes, you need to see more diversity of what is being

:25:23.:25:28.

built. Genuinely low rent homes and products like shared ownership. It

:25:29.:25:35.

cannot just be market homes. Is Sadiq Khan write about what he says

:25:36.:25:40.

about dirty money about foreign ownership in London? There is a lot

:25:41.:25:44.

going on in London and no one has a handle on it. I don't think of many

:25:45.:25:51.

homes are being left empty as other people suspect but it is not helping

:25:52.:25:56.

people who live and work in London finding a home when you have foreign

:25:57.:25:59.

money propping up what is potentially an unsustainable bubble

:26:00.:26:03.

and building these very, very expensive luxury apartments.

:26:04.:26:07.

Barbara, do you think the Help to Buy scheme in essence was a good

:26:08.:26:13.

scheme? I think it was questionable at first because it did not fulfil

:26:14.:26:17.

the needs that people had witches there were not enough houses being

:26:18.:26:22.

built which people could afford. I think the Conservatives have tried

:26:23.:26:26.

something, it has not quite worked, people have criticised it and

:26:27.:26:29.

instead of fixing it, they have completely taken it away. It was due

:26:30.:26:37.

to come to an end next year. That is what upsets me, there is no growing

:26:38.:26:40.

in that and it is not solving the reality of people's problems in

:26:41.:26:46.

Babel -- being able to afford housing and wages being low. We do

:26:47.:26:50.

not know what they will replace it with. They have committed to holding

:26:51.:26:54.

houses but we will have to wait and see because the Conservatives say

:26:55.:27:02.

one thing and deliver another. Was this a successful scheme or a naive

:27:03.:27:06.

move which boosted the housing bubble? It was good politics. It

:27:07.:27:11.

sent a message to people who wanted to buy a home but could not afford

:27:12.:27:15.

it that the government was helping them, but the problem we have is and

:27:16.:27:19.

I completely agree with Shelter and I think with the Labour Party, that

:27:20.:27:23.

we are not building enough affordable housing. Successive

:27:24.:27:26.

governments have said we need to build more housing but they have not

:27:27.:27:33.

got a grip. Why? I think in the 1980s there was an economic crisis

:27:34.:27:37.

and Mrs Thatcher's I was on the bigger economic problems. And we

:27:38.:27:42.

lost a tradition in the Conservative Party. Harold Macmillan and other

:27:43.:27:45.

leaders were happy to use statement need to build houses and I think we

:27:46.:27:49.

need to recover that tradition. At the moment we are spending ?10

:27:50.:27:55.

billion on housing benefit, so government is involved in the

:27:56.:27:59.

housing market, that money could be spent not on benefits, but on

:28:00.:28:02.

bricks, building affordable homes for people. I think it is probably a

:28:03.:28:08.

forlorn hope but I do hope that we will see a real shift in

:28:09.:28:13.

Conservative policy, not away from the greatest traditions of

:28:14.:28:16.

conservatism post-war, just the way from where we got to in the 1980s

:28:17.:28:22.

and 1990s. Kate Webb, if you are housing minister, and I bet you

:28:23.:28:27.

would love to be, what would your top policies be, what would the

:28:28.:28:32.

priority be? I think the priority is about building the genuinely

:28:33.:28:35.

affordable homes. We do have a great tradition in this country of

:28:36.:28:40.

building homes for people on low and middle incomes. Is at home ownership

:28:41.:28:46.

or social housing and council housing, different schemes? It is

:28:47.:28:50.

about getting away with that obsession with ten years. And if you

:28:51.:28:55.

build council housing we do have the Right to Buy, it is incredibly

:28:56.:28:58.

controversial, but it does mean if you have somebody in a council home,

:28:59.:29:02.

it can work for them when their income is low, and if they're in

:29:03.:29:05.

crime increases, they can exercise the Right to Buy so we don't have to

:29:06.:29:12.

see it as an either or. Barbara, Right to Buy has been extended from

:29:13.:29:16.

council houses into housing associations as well, what do you

:29:17.:29:21.

make of that? Again, it does not solve the problem of we do not have

:29:22.:29:28.

enough houses. But as the key issue. We need to physically build more

:29:29.:29:33.

houses for people to live in. Like myself, I recently graduated and the

:29:34.:29:37.

idea of owning a home is something I don't think I will ever be able to

:29:38.:29:42.

afford. And living in London, renting in London is also a way that

:29:43.:29:47.

young people and people generally get exploited when you have big

:29:48.:29:52.

businesses coming in and buying up all the properties. People have to

:29:53.:29:57.

move out or you have overcrowding, especially for Black communities

:29:58.:30:01.

which I am from. We are not able to afford houses and people do not want

:30:02.:30:05.

to move anyway because this is where their community is. Whether you

:30:06.:30:08.

extend it to housing associations or you have another scheme, the main

:30:09.:30:14.

issues to build houses for people. Kate Webb, do you think Jeremy

:30:15.:30:19.

Corbyn has got a grip on this, if he talks about building a million

:30:20.:30:27.

homes, and also giving councils the right to borrow against council

:30:28.:30:31.

houses, to build even more? I think the right to borrow is extremely

:30:32.:30:37.

welcome. There are families in temporary accommodation and young

:30:38.:30:40.

families who want a home of their own so we have to be letting

:30:41.:30:44.

councils build to meet their local need. We are slightly disappointed

:30:45.:30:49.

with Jeremy Corbyn for creating a political spat about is it council

:30:50.:30:54.

houses or housing associations. This is a huge challenge which it is

:30:55.:31:00.

imperative that we meet and playing politics with either the

:31:01.:31:02.

Conservative session with homeownership or Corbyn's dislike of

:31:03.:31:05.

housing associations, it is not helpful.

:31:06.:31:10.

Tim, borrowing more to build more, do you support that? I do. We still

:31:11.:31:17.

have a huge deficit that needs to get under control, but borrowing for

:31:18.:31:24.

schools and the longer term, housing and roads and railways.

:31:25.:31:27.

International borrowing rates are so low at the moment, we would be

:31:28.:31:32.

foolish not to take advantage. It's not a Conservative obsession with

:31:33.:31:35.

homeownership though, the vast majority of people want to own their

:31:36.:31:39.

own homes. So reversing that sad decline in home ownership should be

:31:40.:31:41.

a legitimate priority. Will Jeremy Corbyn be

:31:42.:31:44.

the next Prime Minister? When opinion pollsters ask that

:31:45.:31:46.

question the results don't always look great

:31:47.:31:47.

for the Labour leader. But what if you ask

:31:48.:31:50.

Labour party members? Adam Fleming did just that

:31:51.:31:53.

as he tested the mood at Labour conference earlier this

:31:54.:31:55.

week. Questions don't come

:31:56.:31:58.

bigger than this. Is Jeremy Corbyn going to be

:31:59.:32:00.

the next Prime Minister? Definitely, 100%?

:32:01.:32:03.

100%. Nothing is going to get in his way?

:32:04.:32:08.

I hope not. We now just have to get out there,

:32:09.:32:11.

feet are going to get hammered. You've got your trainers on already,

:32:12.:32:21.

I see, ready to go. That's that's how I swan about

:32:22.:32:23.

conference, in trainers, honestly. I still think he hasn't shown

:32:24.:32:26.

the leadership he needs to show. What, winning two

:32:27.:32:30.

leadership elections? No, leadership of unifying

:32:31.:32:31.

the party and leading Is that the done thing

:32:32.:32:34.

at this conference, Yes, yes.

:32:35.:32:43.

If you doubt it, yes. I'm old enough to know

:32:44.:32:47.

what I'm talking about. I think the media's undermined him

:32:48.:32:51.

too much and people have lost Well, on the Daily Politics

:32:52.:32:54.

we are scrupulously fair. I'm not saying the BBC,

:32:55.:32:58.

I'm saying the papers more. If he's not Prime Minister,

:32:59.:33:02.

how will you feel? Gutted, because it will mean we've

:33:03.:33:04.

still got the Tories. Yeah, for another five

:33:05.:33:08.

years, in four years. I know, it's not worth

:33:09.:33:12.

thinking about it. What's it going to be like -

:33:13.:33:15.

Jeremy Corbyn standing on the steps of Downing Street having just

:33:16.:33:20.

won an election? I think this is the start

:33:21.:33:22.

of an excellent new future. We have some Labour conference

:33:23.:33:25.

specials, some Jeremy Corbyn cuff links, and some

:33:26.:33:27.

Labour Party cuff links as well. Look at that, Jeremy Corbyn

:33:28.:33:30.

as Che Guevara on your wrists. How much does a Jeremy

:33:31.:33:34.

for PM badge cost? My brother is called Jeremy,

:33:35.:33:39.

he's a Tory voter, so I'm Pop a ball in, it doesn't

:33:40.:33:46.

cost 60p, it's free. You're meant to be

:33:47.:33:55.

Shadow Foreign Secretary, Peter, we're doing

:33:56.:34:05.

the Daily Politics balls, is Jeremy going to be the next

:34:06.:34:11.

Prime Minister, yes or no? You've managed to avoid

:34:12.:34:15.

the Daily Politics balls all week. Is Jeremy Corbyn going to be

:34:16.:34:19.

the next Prime Minister? How come the polls suggest that's

:34:20.:34:23.

really not going to happen? Now you're asking me tricky

:34:24.:34:30.

questions, I've done your poll. He's just going to put a ball

:34:31.:34:32.

in, that's all. Well, Tom Watson had the final ball

:34:33.:34:35.

after managing to evade us all week. He went with the majority of people

:34:36.:34:39.

at this conference saying yes, Jeremy Corbyn will be the next

:34:40.:34:42.

Prime Minister, although look Tom Watson saying of course he's

:34:43.:34:56.

going to be Prime Minister, although a lot of people at the conference

:34:57.:35:00.

thought that Tom took a slightly different approach to that. Let's

:35:01.:35:05.

move on. The mood box, there were more balls in the yes box, but there

:35:06.:35:10.

were a substantial number of noes as well. He still has a lot of people

:35:11.:35:17.

to convince. 100%. We've definitely got a very long way to go. Frankly,

:35:18.:35:21.

that's why I was a bit disappointed this summer that we went through all

:35:22.:35:25.

of this again, to be honest. I thought it would be a great

:35:26.:35:29.

opportunity for Labour activists like myself and loads of people who

:35:30.:35:33.

have joined the party and are in Momentum, going out there to

:35:34.:35:36.

convince Labour supporters and voters to vote for Jeremy and the

:35:37.:35:40.

plan he has for the country. I think we have some work to do and a lot of

:35:41.:35:43.

people to convince but I believe we can do it. A lot of Labour delegates

:35:44.:35:53.

don't think he has what it takes in a YouGov poll this month, the

:35:54.:36:00.

current Labour leader is a massive 71 points behind the Prime Minister,

:36:01.:36:05.

he's at -30 and she sat plus 41. It's a shame. Everything that we

:36:06.:36:11.

have been through this summer is reflected in the polling. It's been

:36:12.:36:15.

a horrendous summer although we've had this amazing and exciting

:36:16.:36:19.

campaign and loads of us who have joined Jeremy Corbyn are excited by

:36:20.:36:23.

it. It's not just this summer, it's an accumulation of events. It's a

:36:24.:36:28.

number of things, we haven't had unity in the party, people haven't

:36:29.:36:33.

supported the leader. Getting live resignations on television doesn't

:36:34.:36:36.

really boost and help your rating is very much. I think the key thing, as

:36:37.:36:41.

Jeremy said in his message at conference, we want unity, we want

:36:42.:36:46.

to work together. We have a lot more in common. People might disagree on

:36:47.:36:50.

how we get there but we want to get there. We want young people to have

:36:51.:36:54.

opportunities, free education for young people, we want to build more

:36:55.:36:59.

council houses. Which is all very well, but do you genuinely, in your

:37:00.:37:04.

heart, feel that your party is on election footing, that you could

:37:05.:37:07.

fight a general election next month if it were called? Not next month

:37:08.:37:13.

but give us three months! Differs the summer again! -- give us the

:37:14.:37:20.

summer again. There is a lot of work to be done internally. You have to

:37:21.:37:24.

get a Shadow Cabinet together for a start. But I think we are on a

:37:25.:37:31.

better footing than we were in the summer and before that, especially

:37:32.:37:34.

after the referendum. I think a lot of Labour MPs and supporters,

:37:35.:37:39.

however they feel, I think most people want the party to succeed.

:37:40.:37:46.

Maybe that process will start... You want your party to succeed because

:37:47.:37:49.

you believe it can do some extraordinary things in society, and

:37:50.:37:54.

that's where most people will be at. We are told there is a move towards

:37:55.:37:59.

filling those Shadow Cabinet places next week. Perhaps we will get more

:38:00.:38:04.

names and people coming forward. Tim, in terms of the membership,

:38:05.:38:08.

Labour Party membership is well over half a million and is the largest of

:38:09.:38:12.

any party in western Europe. He is clearly doing something right, isn't

:38:13.:38:17.

he? Yeah, there are a lot of left-wing people in the United

:38:18.:38:20.

Kingdom and he has successfully mobilised a good number of them to

:38:21.:38:24.

pay a membership fee for the Labour Party. You'd like those numbers in

:38:25.:38:32.

the Conservative Party? Having a healthy membership is good because

:38:33.:38:37.

you have people to knock on doors and deliver leaflets. So it doesn't

:38:38.:38:41.

look bad. But looking at the views of those members on issues like

:38:42.:38:45.

taxation, immigration, membership of the European Union and belief in

:38:46.:38:51.

conspiracy theories... Conspiracy theories? YouGov quizzed people and

:38:52.:38:57.

said, do you generally believe in conspiracy theories on things like

:38:58.:39:03.

9/11, a new Labour member is more likely to believe in a conspiracy

:39:04.:39:10.

theory. Barbara? I'm sure Barbara is honourable. All my friends don't

:39:11.:39:14.

believe in conspiracy theories. That might be true of your friends but

:39:15.:39:17.

the opinion polls do speak for themselves. They can be wrong

:39:18.:39:23.

sometimes. It's hard when you look at the positions that Labour set out

:39:24.:39:27.

this week, Jeremy Corbyn wouldn't put a limit on immigration. He wants

:39:28.:39:33.

?500 billion more of borrowing. He's still in a position where he seems

:39:34.:39:40.

to be finding excuses for terrorist organisations in history. That's not

:39:41.:39:44.

true. He doesn't sing the national anthem given me opportunity. I don't

:39:45.:39:51.

sing the national anthem. I would sing the one from Ghana, because

:39:52.:39:55.

that's where I'm from. That might be your choice, but I don't think it

:39:56.:39:58.

would help you get elected by the British people. Let's move from

:39:59.:40:00.

Ghana to Wales. Students from Wales could face

:40:01.:40:05.

university fees of up to ?9,000 after the Labour-led government

:40:06.:40:08.

signalled it would scrap its Currently Welsh students pay only

:40:09.:40:10.

?3,900 a year towards their degree with the remaining

:40:11.:40:15.

?5,100 subsidised. But a review has recommended

:40:16.:40:20.

that the Government should offer loans to pay for fees,

:40:21.:40:22.

much like the system There would also be grants

:40:23.:40:24.

for living costs which would be Joining me now from Cardiff

:40:25.:40:29.

is the President of the NUS Thank you for joining us. Are the

:40:30.:40:47.

NUS backing the plans of the Welsh government? Yes, we are back in the

:40:48.:40:52.

plans. We believe more debt for students is bad, however we also

:40:53.:40:57.

realise that in the current economic climate and the Westminster

:40:58.:41:01.

posterity climate and the potential impact of Brexit, we have to target

:41:02.:41:04.

support at students who need it the most and target that support at the

:41:05.:41:07.

cost of education. Ultimately you can't afford to go to education,

:41:08.:41:12.

then you can't afford to go to begin with. Students are telling us it's

:41:13.:41:16.

the cost of living causing a barrier between access and education.

:41:17.:41:21.

Building up a debt, borrowing against tuition fees you accept, but

:41:22.:41:25.

you are very worried about the day to day living costs that a student

:41:26.:41:30.

hast to sustain? Exactly. In Wales we have some of the poorest

:41:31.:41:35.

communities in Europe. We want to see Welsh government put emphasis on

:41:36.:41:40.

widening access. We believe it does this by targeting means tested

:41:41.:41:44.

grants for students from the most disadvantaged background and

:41:45.:41:49.

disabled students. How confident are you the Welsh government will bring

:41:50.:41:52.

in both halves of the proposal suggested? Do you trust them not to

:41:53.:41:57.

simply scrap the grant and go on to water down the commitment to support

:41:58.:42:01.

living costs? We are very confident. We have been clear all along that we

:42:02.:42:06.

would only accept diamond as a full package. Anything else would be

:42:07.:42:09.

unacceptable and wouldn't work. This will only work if the tuition fee

:42:10.:42:13.

grant goes directly to students in the form of maintenance support.

:42:14.:42:22.

Barbara Ntumy, Jeremy Corbyn wants to scrap tuition fees. He said that

:42:23.:42:25.

in conference this week, calling for free education. How does that fit

:42:26.:42:28.

with a Labour led government in Wales calling for subbing different?

:42:29.:42:32.

I'm a little bit concerned because the NUS has a policy of free

:42:33.:42:38.

education and belief in grants, not debt. We had the same situation in

:42:39.:42:43.

England, we were told it was ?9,000. Now we're seeing the teaching

:42:44.:42:46.

excellence framework looking to increase that even more and we have

:42:47.:42:49.

seen the government is completely scrap maintenance grants after they

:42:50.:42:54.

wouldn't. It's OK for the package to be accepted as it is, but who's to

:42:55.:42:58.

say that a few years down the line the government in Wales would change

:42:59.:43:01.

their mind? We need to talk about what happens when students leave

:43:02.:43:06.

university. Women and black students are likely to take longer to pay

:43:07.:43:12.

back their student loans because of the income gap. You are saying you

:43:13.:43:18.

are concerned about the organisation accepting this. What do you say to

:43:19.:43:23.

that? I think what we have to realise, again, this is the Welsh

:43:24.:43:31.

contract, we have a Labour government in Wales, and the Diamond

:43:32.:43:34.

package is trying to work out the system for the next five or ten

:43:35.:43:37.

years. If the Welsh government was to turn around in the next few years

:43:38.:43:40.

and scrap maintenance grants, of course we do we be against that. But

:43:41.:43:45.

we have faith in the Welsh government. The Welsh government

:43:46.:43:54.

have taken a stance against TEF. There are different context in

:43:55.:43:57.

England and Wales. That's why Wales is taking a stance. Tim, do you

:43:58.:44:03.

think this is politicians learning from mistakes or have students just

:44:04.:44:08.

become more apathetic perhaps or more accepting of realities? More

:44:09.:44:14.

accepting of reality, not just the NUS in Wales, but the Labour

:44:15.:44:20.

government in Wales as well. This is where do Barbara and Jeremy Corbyn

:44:21.:44:25.

are misleading the British people. All these promises of free education

:44:26.:44:30.

and free housing and free NHS, all without extra taxes. When, and if

:44:31.:44:35.

they ever, God forbid, had power, you would not be able to afford all

:44:36.:44:40.

this. Every ?1 you invest in education, the economy grows by ?1

:44:41.:44:44.

50. I reject the idea that if people want to get higher education and get

:44:45.:44:48.

a degree, after they do that they become members of society and

:44:49.:44:51.

contribute, they become people of society and contribute in many ways.

:44:52.:44:58.

The owners of getting that education should be a personal cost. There's

:44:59.:45:01.

something really wrong about that. When I get my education, I don't sit

:45:02.:45:06.

in my room and may education just benefits me, it benefits everyone in

:45:07.:45:10.

society in the contributions I make and in my work. There's something

:45:11.:45:15.

very problematic about how we talk about education in this country,

:45:16.:45:18.

that the individual should bear the cost, and that's very wrong. Jeremy

:45:19.:45:22.

Corbyn saying to raise corporation tax, or at least not drop it, in

:45:23.:45:26.

order to pay for the end of tuition fees. That will be a popular policy.

:45:27.:45:36.

Bashing business is always popular in the short run. Businesses must

:45:37.:45:44.

pay their fair share of tax. Raising corporation tax is probably one of

:45:45.:45:47.

the wrong ways of raising tax because a lot of international

:45:48.:45:51.

businesses are footloose. They can go to other places which taxed less,

:45:52.:45:55.

not least Ireland just over the water. It is a dangerous policy.

:45:56.:46:01.

There are consequences. You can hear this is a very lively debate. You

:46:02.:46:09.

have a coalition government in effect in Wales, well, at least one

:46:10.:46:13.

Liberal Democrat who is the Education Minister. They were

:46:14.:46:19.

famously derided as a party in 2010 for breaking their promises on

:46:20.:46:23.

tuition fees. You say you are confident that this particular

:46:24.:46:27.

change will go through, but do you think as a result the Lib Dems could

:46:28.:46:32.

be punished again at the polls for doing this? I think this package is

:46:33.:46:37.

one that will go to the heart of the problem that is living costs, and I

:46:38.:46:41.

think it is worth saying I fully agree with Barbara and we want to

:46:42.:46:45.

move towards a system where we have free education. But in our current

:46:46.:46:50.

climate we have a restricted Welsh budget and what the Welsh Government

:46:51.:46:53.

are doing is using this government to Leave budget to target it at the

:46:54.:46:59.

students who need it the most. That will go towards the poorest students

:47:00.:47:04.

in full grant form and we welcome, we are using the budget we have to

:47:05.:47:08.

target those who need support the most. Means testing maintenance

:47:09.:47:16.

grants paid Tony-macro takes more bureaucracy. Do you think it is a

:47:17.:47:22.

danger that it might put off some students trying to get into

:47:23.:47:25.

university because they think they have to go through that process now?

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I think we have to do more in schools so students are equipped to

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make the right judgments so they can fully understand what path they are

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taking and make the decision between vacation and academic pathways.

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Barbara, do you think Jeremy Corbyn will be having a word in the ear of

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the Labour government in Wales? Identity personally have aligned to

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Jeremy Corbyn so I don't know what he's doing! I think we have to help

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poorest students in our society and that includes grants. The key thing

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is grants not debt. It is not right to give people a grant and then

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clobber them with debt. Wales has some of the poorest students. We

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know you are likely to be paid less in the same way that black students

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and women are and it will take us longer to pay back our student loans

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than any other demographic. We want grants and not debt. Right.

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One of the most audacious space missions ever undertaken

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The Rosetta probe that has been tracking a comet

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for the past two years is going to deliberately crash itself into

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In the last half an hour it has just deliberately crashed into a ball of

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ice and dust. Britain has played a crucial role

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in the project which has been led But as Rosetta comes to an end,

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is now the time to launch an expanded national space

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programme? For the first time, the life cycle

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of a comet revealed, thanks to the Rosetta mission. Scientists were

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ecstatic two years ago when a spacecraft dropped a robot onto the

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comet's surface. It was not the smoothest landing. Attempts to drill

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below the surface failed. But... One of the UK instruments was able to

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sniff its different gases which came up in the dust cloud when the lander

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bounced onto the comet. Did it find anything from sniffing? It did. It

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was able to detect water and organic compounds. It was at this UK space

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Centre near Oxford that the sniffing instrument was put together.

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Recently, the UK space economy and workforce has grown and grown. By

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wearing this protective clothing, we can come right up to the space

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testing chamber, the largest in the UK, which should be operational in

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the New Year. It will be used to test equipment meant for space in a

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variety of pressures to see if it still remains accurate. Britain is a

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world leader in the manufacturer of small satellites and has its eye on

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commercial space flights. The UK is the fourth largest contributor to

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the Rosetta mission's creator, the European Space Agency, but MPs on

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the science committee want to see more of the National space

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programme. The government is to be clearer about where space can

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benefit the broad economy. We get a huge amount of data out of the

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investment we put into space, we don't currently make the best use of

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that. MPs also criticised the skills crisis facing the sector which is

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being addressed thanks to Britain's latest space hero. We have worked

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hard to inspire the next generation through Tim Peake's mission to the

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ISS which engaged a million schoolkids. Right now, the UK space

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sector is very much in its ascendancy. Post was that there is a

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pot of ?1 billion to invest in upcoming missions, but which ones?

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-- post-Rosetta. We're looking at big mission is to look at gravity

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building. There is a big x-ray mission. Which mission would you

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like to see it spend the money on? Me personally, I think the XO Mars

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mission is an exciting one and it is part of a programme which would lead

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eventually to man's flight to Mars. From curious British scientists,

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many missions have been conjured up, but the challenge for MPs is to

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nurture a home-grown programme going forward.

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We can talk now to our correspondent Rebecca morale. Can you hear us?

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There is a big delay -- Rebecca you can communicate with a

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spacecraft up in space but talking to me in Germany is a challenge! You

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have something in your hand, what an earth is that? A prop. You have

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always got to have a prop. It is a little model of the comet. The

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Rosetta has been an tremendous journey. A few minutes ago touched

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down on the comet's surface. The head of the comet. It has a body and

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a head. That is the end of the Rosetta spacecraft. It was quite

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controlled rather than explosive dissent. It was not designed to do

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this. It was designed to fly around the comet. It took ten years to

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reach this comet but it was never designed to cut down. The comet is

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currently speeding away from the sun. Rosetta is actually solar

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powered. The power has been fading really. They had two choices to let

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it fade into the oblivion of deep space but they did not want to do

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that. They wanted to go out in style so they sent it heading down onto

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the comet's surface. There are pictures of the scientists cheering

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as that moment happened. It is extraordinary, you go war that way

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and then you get crashed into the comet you have been chasing. But

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never mind. The essential information will be beamed back to

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Earth, we hope and scientists will be able to learn from what they have

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found. That is right. One of the reasons why they had this crash

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landing was to squeeze every drop of science out of this mission. All the

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way it was descending down, it was journey which took many hours. It

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was taking lots of pictures and gathering data. There has been the

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two years of data it has been collecting. It has taken thousands

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of photos over the lifetime of its mission. There was so much science.

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The operation phase of the mission has come to an end but the science

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phase will continue. The team think there will be enough to keep going

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for decades. There is pride in what they have done but also sadness. We

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have had tears this afternoon which is unusual sometimes to see from a

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bunch of scientists but they put so much into this mission. Rebecca,

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thank you. Here's Ellie with the

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Week in 60 Seconds. By the end of the evening I will be

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blamed for everything. Why not? This week saw the first US presidential

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debate. Conference, United, we can shape the

:55:42.:55:51.

future. Jeremy Corbyn's conference speech went down well apart from the

:55:52.:56:04.

part where he thanked Sadiq Khan. Clive Lewis 's speech had apparently

:56:05.:56:09.

been changed at the last minute to keep open the possibility of

:56:10.:56:16.

scrapping Trident. Theresa May's people hit back at

:56:17.:56:19.

claims that she was branded lily livid over proposed EU immigration

:56:20.:56:25.

controls. Actually, she supported him with the idea of an emergency

:56:26.:56:27.

brake, they said. There's just time before we go

:56:28.:56:32.

to find out the answer to our quiz. The question was, to which authority

:56:33.:56:38.

has the former Liberal Democrat MP John Hemming taken his battle

:56:39.:56:41.

with Birmingham Council over Is it: a) The European

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Court of Justice? Does anyone know, I wonder? Lets ask

:56:44.:56:46.

the man himself. John Hemming joins us live

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via webcam from Birmingham. Indeed, the wonders of technology.

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It is the article 's convention compliance commission ashlar

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committee which is part of the United Nations. Why have you gone to

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the United Nations? To is very important that people have access to

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justice, that you can challenge the local authority without facing

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ridiculous arguments like you should have met in person. We have had

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telephones for years and years and years, so it should not be necessary

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to meet in person to win a case. If you take my case against the

:57:43.:57:47.

council, in a practical sense, I won. I took action to get the

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council to clear up rubbish that it was refusing as a matter of policy

:57:53.:57:56.

to clear up. They cleared up the rubbish but the judge decided

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because I did not have a meeting with them at

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which they would have told me nothing, that I should pay their

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costs. In a couple of seconds, when will you find out when you have been

:58:26.:58:28.

successful? The first step is at 5:30am tonight when I will here is

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my case is deemed admissible. That is like the permission to appeal

:58:31.:58:33.

stage at the Court of Appeal or at any court in the UK. If I get that

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permission, then there will be further steps. You will be

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celebrating, no doubt, if you get the United Nations to rule on the

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fly-tipping. Thank you. The one o'clock news is starting

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over on BBC One now. Andrew will be in Birmingham on

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Sunday with the Sunday Politics live from the Conservative Party

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Conference and, if that's not enough, I'll be on the Westminster

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Hour on Radio 4 on Sunday evening.

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Carolyn Quinn is in the hot seat and is joined by Tim Montgomerie of the Times and Barbara Ntumy from the campaign group Momentum. They look ahead to the Conservative Party conference with former minister Anna Soubry, and following the government announcing it's dropping part of the help to buy scheme, they discuss what is next for Britain's housing policy.


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