19/10/2016 Daily Politics


19/10/2016

Jo Coburn and Andrew Neil present live coverage of Prime Minister's Questions. They are joined by Tobias Ellwood and Rachael Maskell to discuss child migrants arriving in the UK.


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Morning folks, welcome to the Daily Politics.

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Britain has committed to taking in unaccompanied minors,

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around 300 of them, from the jungle camp in Calais -

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but how many of those applying are actually under 18?

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We've waited almost 50 years for a new runway

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in the South East of England - next week the government

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will finally tell us where THEY want it to be built -

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but how many more years could it be until the bulldozers move in?

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Theresa May will face Jeremy Corbyn in their weekly clash at PMQs today.

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We'll bring it live and uninterrupted at midday.

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And why you'll have to consider Brexit if you're playing the hit

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computer game Football Manager 2017.

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All that in the next 90 minutes and with us for the duration today

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two of the most sought after players in SW1 - brought to

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you at great expense on the Westminster transfer market -

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Shadow Environment Secretary Rachael Maskell and Foreign Office

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The jungle camp and Calais is due to be demolished over the next few

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weeks by the French government and Britain has agreed to take some

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unaccompanied child migrants in the camp.

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But as photographs appeared of some of those who have already arrived

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in Britain, questions are being asked about

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18 and what checks are being made to verify their ages.

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The charity Safe Passage UK has identified 387 unaccompanied

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children in Calais with a legal right to come to Britain.

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French authorities agreed to verify the list

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and Home Secretary Amber Rudd said all of those with a legitimate claim

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result" if the UK ended up taking 300 children from the camps.

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On Monday Fourteen refugees arrived in the UK under a fast-track

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system launched to transfer vulnerable youngsters

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about the age of those arriving, with Conservative MP David Davies

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saying 'these don't look like children to me'

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If a refugee doesn't have a birth certificate,

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the Home Office has no way of independently verifying their age

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- judgements are based on their "physical appearance"

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in the year to September 2015, 65% of child refugees

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who had their age disputed were found to be over 18.

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David Davies has called for tougher tests -

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such as x-rays or dental investigations - to be used

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to establish the age of refugees coming here.

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And we are hoping to speak to David Davies later in the programme.

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Andrew. Thank you, JoCo. Tobias Ellwood, the government thought we

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were bringing in vulnerable child refugees, what happened? We are, we

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have not only programmes in place to support those who are orphaned or

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needing medical attention in Syria, bringing them to the UK... I'm

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talking about the ones in the Jungle camp in Calais. What evidence do we

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have that the once we have seen this week are unaccompanied minors? As

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you report suggests, this is difficult to check and we must make

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sure we get it right. When you think of the problems of people fleeing

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Syria it is a target that is difficult to get to. I must say that

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I'm not in support of this idea of dental processing. Dental

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organisations say this is not ethical. So how do you establish

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their age because many people think that the pictures we have seen of

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the people coming in, it's quite hard to categorise them child

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refugees. It is, it is a challenge we are facing. Our efforts are

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linking up those people caught in the camps who have a genuine reason

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to come to the UK because they have families and so forth... But you're

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getting it wrong, in the year to September 2015 there were 574

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refugees checked for age and 371 were adults! Not an isolated

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problem. The British people think that we are doing a bit, maybe not

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enough but we are doing something to help unaccompanied minors and it

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turns out that we are letting in a number of adults. Muggy it will be

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very difficult. Why have you made a mess of it? I don't agree that it is

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a mess. There is an humanitarian requirement to support the French

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when dealing with people who need help but they are keen to get out of

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the camp and into the UK and we need checks and balances in place and

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clearly they are not working as they should. It is irrelevant now, isn't

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it, because if they are in this country and they have got in on the

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basis of being unaccompanied minors and they are aged 32, there is

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nothing we can do, they will claim asylum and you can't send them back.

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That is not true... They originally come from Syria and this is why we

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are leaning into the problem in Syria itself. To prevent those

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people making that very tough decision either to stay in places

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like Alaba and be bombed or make the treacherous journey across Europe...

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If it turns out that somebody has come in on the pretence of being an

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unaccompanied minor and you find that they are anything but, I put it

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to you that you cannot return them to Syria. We cannot at the moment

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because of the humanitarian requirement to look after them. But

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the long-term objective is to turn Syria into a place where you can

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make sure that these people can safely returned. Let's not forget

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that those who have made it to Calais and the able and the

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committed. It's important to stress this. If they are coming here for a

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safe haven we should expect at some point in the feature that they were

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returned. These are talking points which do not address the issue this

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morning. It is this. Your government told the British people, we will

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bring in unaccompanied minors because these are the most

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vulnerable people, the most at risk if we don't do this, ending up in

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the sex trafficking trade, child abuse and all the rest of it. And it

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turns out that there is now? Over what you are doing. Just another

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example of why the British people do not have confidence in the British

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elite, isn't it? You are using extreme language to cover your

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argument. I am saying that we are doing the right thing but it is

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indeed difficult, as you report suggested, there will be some

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people, perhaps teenagers who came into the camp aged 17, they are now

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19, with a connection in the UK. It's it extremely difficult to get

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checks in place. But we must open our doors to those with a connection

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to the UK. It's an agreement we have with France and it's the right thing

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to do. Whether they are unaccompanied minors or not? There

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are those that are challenging the system but at the end of the date

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nobody gaining asylum for very long we'll be here forever because

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eventually we hope Syria will be in a place where they can return when

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they want to. If they get asylum they can stay here. They can't stay

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here in perpetuity. After a certain time they can. They can apply for

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it, absolutely. Lets talk to David Davies, the Tory MP who has called

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for tougher tests for unaccompanied minors. What firm evidence do you

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have that the refugees are not minors? Obviously at the moment we

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going mainly on their appearance. The government advice is that they

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must be given the benefit of the doubt, if they claim to be under the

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age of 18. I would suggest that we need to update that. There's one in

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my constituency where an Afghan national claimed to be younger than

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he was and carried out an assault. The worrying thing is that if

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someone is claiming to be a child in their 20s, they will be in a foster

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home with other children and possibly in a school with the

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children and there are child protection issues. We are on the

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same page. We all believe that there are children who need our help. I'm

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very proud of what the government is doing to try to help children... You

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are not on the same page, Tobias Ellwood is not in favour of having

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dental tests taken, dental records examined, and when you say you are

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worried about child health or child safety issues you don't have any

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evidence. You are just going on appearance. Appearance is not

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scientific, is it? You would admit that. So you think that these child

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refugees are not minors and are older than they seem. They may be.

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Some are questioning whether the pictures featured in the papers

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today are those we have accepted as unaccompanied minors. Do you accept

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that? We are all going on appearances at the moment and no one

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can be certain when it comes to appearance. If someone is clearly

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under 18 they should be given the benefit of the doubt. If there is

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uncertainty they should still be given the benefit of the doubt. A

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piece of advice needs to be changed. If we are to help genuine children

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we need to be certain that the rules are not being

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abused. I am sure Tobias would agree. It is not unreasonable to ask

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someone to take simple medical test, especially if by failing to do that

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we may put at risk children in the UK by placing them in a home with

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someone who might be much older than they appear. Leak could be in danger

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from an 18-year-old, the difference between 18 and 22 is not that fast.

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There are some people who think this is very unreasonable. The leader of

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the Green party says we should apologise and retract your comments

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because for many of these unaccompanied minors, as we are

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describing them, they have had months of gruelling journey to

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Calais, they are fleeing persecution, they have been waiting

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in grim conditions in the camp and many of them have perhaps gone over

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the age of 18 by the time the bureaucratic process has been

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exhausted and know you want them to have dental checks and x-rays.

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Nobody in Calais has to be there, they could have claimed asylum in

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France or any other country they have gone through, they are there

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because they want to be in the UK and they have decided they would

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rather be there and anywhere else. I'm not suggesting blanket dental

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checks, we already do them. I tabled written questions about it in

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February after the incident in Monmouthshire and found that between

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half and two thirds of people who have undergone those tests were

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found to have given incorrect information about their age. It is,

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and policy and was suggested by Liam Byrne ten years ago. A test that is

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used all over the world, America, Australia, what I am suggesting is

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not that controversial, merely an extension of something we already

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do. Will you please stay with us, David Davies, for this discussion.

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Diane Abbott the Shadow Home Secretary says that any age tests

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violation of human rights. A line in the sand, that is what we're talking

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about, you could be a 19 year woman, vulnerable, possibly trafficked...

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We know that young men can also be trafficked and exploited. And so

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many children have already gone missing. Why is an age test a

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violation of human rights? What I would say is, especially x-rays and

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invasive violations of young adults who have been through so much

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torment to be put through another humiliating process... Why is it

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humiliating to have an x-ray? We are looking at things like dental tests.

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These people want to be reunited with their family members after the

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trauma they have gone through and if we are talking about somebody who is

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17 or 18, we have to bring these vulnerable adults and young people

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into a place of safety... Do you agree to do and age test would be a

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violation of human rights? Standards are already in place. We have heard

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from Tobias what those tests are. Do you agree it would be a violation of

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human rights? The individual's human rights is to live in a safe place

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seat - Place of safety, it has not only been violated in their home

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where they live... The French government survey suggests that only

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5% of people in the Jungle camp come from Syria. It is more complicated

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than that. The reason why I am asking, if you think an age test is

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a violation of human rights and it isn't clear that you do, the Shadow

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Home Secretary says it is, if the British government announces to the

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British people, we are going to bring in people on the basis that

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they are unaccompanied minors, how do you establish that without an age

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test? Even the processes which David Davies lucked out not 100% accurate.

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These people have no documents to prove their date of birth. They've

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been through incredible trauma. What we should be looking at is

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vulnerability... Does that mean you don't try? I am not indicating that

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we don't try. We should though be looking at the vulnerability of

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these individuals and whether they can be reunited family members at

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what has been a chaotic time for these young people. As a country we

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have said we will bring in 20,000 people, and the government are far

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off Matt Targett at the moment. Ringing in five or six people over

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age, we don't know how many, it doesn't even compare with the 20,000

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people that the government has promised.

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Isn't it a matter of trust with the British people, that the political

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elite says to the British people, we are going to bring in some

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unaccompanied minors, the British people have in their mind a

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traumatised little boy of the Syrian bombing, with blood coming down his

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face, what a baby washed ashore on a Greek island, dead. That is what the

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British people think of with child refugees. Then they see the pictures

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of the ones who are coming and they feel cheated. They feel that you,

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the elite, haven't told the true story. Those individuals feel judged

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because they have come from a place which has torn their life, perhaps

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their family apart, their existence, and they feel judged by individuals

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because they are vulnerable, and what's important is that we provide

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the safeguarding necessary to protect those young people. I need

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to go to David Davies. You get the final word. Surely the issue is

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whether, as Rachael Maskell is saying, is whether they are

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vulnerable are not and, if they are, we are bringing people in, they are

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entitled to asylum, whatever their age. If they are vulnerable and

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under 18, is government policy to bring them in, and I support that.

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What I think is important is that the rules aren't abused. The rule is

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clear that they have to be under 18. If that is abused, it is wrong. It's

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no good arguing that, if they are 20 25, is OK. The rules are the rules.

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I want more of those young children to be brought in. There is a lack of

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women and children, the most vulnerable people coming in, and we

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all agree we need to help those people. We will see what more

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information we get as this story develops and whether these pictures

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in the paper are accurate. We haven't had them verified.

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It was in 1968 that the then Prime Minister Harold Wilson set up

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a commission to examine extra airport capacity in

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I laughed because it is 50 years ago.

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Now, nearly 50 years later, we're being told the Government

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will inform us where they would like a new runway to be

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Although don't expect to see a bulldozer in action any time soon.

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There will then be what's been called a "full and fair" public

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consultation before MPs vote in the winter of 2017/18 -

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and we know how good they are at making decisions.

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Yesterday, we learnt that Theresa May will pilot a special

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Cabinet sub-committee on the question of airport

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On board are eight members of her Cabinet, including the Chancellor,

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Initially other Cabinet Ministers would not be forced to support

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the Government's position, so Education Secretary Justine

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Greening and Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson,

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who have long been opposed to another runway at Heathrow,

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would be "able to express their views for a limited time"

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though they won't be able to speak out in parliament or openly protest.

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50 years on, and government are still bottling it. I don't think

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that's correct. You are right to put it in context. We do need extra

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airport capacity. Where is it going to be? People have to circle before

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landing at Heathrow and Gatwick. I think Patrick McLoughlin made it

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clear as Transport Secretary what the timetable was. What we see in

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the media today saying that things have been delayed further is

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incorrect. An announcement will be made next week but then there is the

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national planning framework, a legal concentration that has to last a

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year. Proposal is put forward and people get an opportunity to respond

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to it. That was laid out by Patrick McLoughlin. That is what process

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starts next week. In response to the Davies commission. We are on the

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timetable. If there has been any delay, turning to labour twice under

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Labour it was kicked down the road when there was an opportunity. David

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Cameron took six years to make a decision. I really think that the

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viewers, throwing mud at each other on this issue when you are both

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culpable... Who set in 2008, the government is clearly give the ring

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on Heathrow expansion. You said that. The plan we have put into

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place now, with this announcement next week in Parliament, is

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according to the plan. It was Theresa May who said it and she is

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dithering again. We are on track. It must be taken into consideration

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with the nation's needs. That was the Davies commission. Which has

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just reported. Former Tory party chairman Grant Shapps says Theresa

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May, she is failing to show guts with a quick decision. We have a

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decision next week and spent a year's consultation. We have to do

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it. We can't just send the bulldozers in next week. It would be

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illegal. The plan we are following is the timetable that was announced

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in the past. You can't send the bulldozers in until you get planning

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permission, which could take more than a year. There has to be a legal

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response. That process takes a year and that is the timetable we are

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following. What is Labour's policy? We set out four play-test and we

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stuck to them and we will be applying them through the process.

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-- Ball clear tests. The issue around capacity is to be at the

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forefront. What is your policy? That is what I am explaining. We are

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running through the four tests to insure that we address climate

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change and the admissions process, and that will depend on the option

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chosen, the impact on noise and also collectivity. Where do you want the

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runway? -- collectivity. That is what we are waiting to see. But

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since 1968 and you don't have a policy? With respect, the world has

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changed. If we look at aerospace capacity, things can move on

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considerably in terms of how we stack planes, how they are waiting

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at 7000 beat when they should be at 30,000 feet and not polluting the

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atmosphere. A whole infrastructure has been built around this. Are you

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going to stack up claims to 30,000 feet? That is more fuel efficient.

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They have to come all the way back down again. They are coming from

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that height anyway. They could stay over BC and be at a more fuel

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efficient height. -- over the sea. That would make London really

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attractive, all of those people wanting to invest, stack at 30,000

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feet, going round in circles when they could lead right away at

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Frankfurt, Paris. They are stacked at 7000 feet. The argument is that

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we need another runway. That is the Davies commission argument. We need

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to use airspace more efficiently than we do. You are shadow -- your

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Shadow Transport Secretary supports Heathrow. Sadiq Khan supports

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Gatwick. I ask again, what is Labour policy? We have got people with

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constituency issues. They are building it in John McDonnell's

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constituency. He is against it. It is right that MPs scrutinise

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government proposals. I've presumed that Heathrow was the policy. It is

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right that we look at capacity issues and scrutinise what the

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government comes forward with. The government had promised us the

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environmental impact assessment it is carrying out. We haven't seen

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that. It is vital that we do. 50,000 people are dying prematurely in our

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as a result of poor air quality. That is a national scandal. So maybe

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you should oppose a new runway. We are going to see a different

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transport system by the time the first bulldozer goes in. So why not

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oppose a new runway? You have to look at it strategically. So you

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could oppose a new runway. You have to look at the tests. If the

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government fails a new test and brings more pollutant Crewe to the

:24:11.:24:15.

environment, we will send them back to do their work. So when Andy

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McDonnell says the need for more capacity is imperative and

:24:22.:24:24.

overwhelming, but you could still oppose a new runway. How can it be

:24:25.:24:28.

imperative and overwhelming to have more capacity but you say we might

:24:29.:24:33.

oppose it? We don't want to pollute the lungs of the people of London.

:24:34.:24:38.

Clearly the plans would not be affected. So it isn't imperative and

:24:39.:24:43.

overwhelming. Labour need to come to terms with the fact that we need a

:24:44.:24:49.

new runway. We have agreed we need more capacity. Not having a runway

:24:50.:24:55.

wouldn't satisfy the needs. We will leave it there. It only been going

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on for 50 years still as clear as mud.

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Now, do you know Boris Johnson speaks five foreign languages?

:25:01.:25:03.

Yes, he's not too rusty in Latin, French, Spanish, Italian

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and German though English is still a bit of a struggle.

:25:06.:25:08.

Anyway, languages are a useful skill in a Foreign

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It will certainly help him on trips abroad.

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Rather than just shouting slowly at foreigners in England and thinking

:25:27.:25:29.

they will understand. -- in English. But, yesterday, Boris Johnson,

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the Foreign Secretary in Her Majesty's Government, spoke

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Yes, Prime Minister's And that's not all -

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Laura Kuenssberg is here. Welcome, Laura. On the Heathrow

:28:01.:28:12.

issue, we are proceeding on the assumption there is going to be a

:28:13.:28:17.

third runway at Heathrow at the minimum, but we also thought there

:28:18.:28:20.

would be a vote on that, and the whole business of this year means

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there won't be. This is what has got people in a tangle. Technically, it

:28:27.:28:29.

isn't a delay because there was always going to be a legalistic

:28:30.:28:33.

planning process, a piece of paper to the House of Commons, it was

:28:34.:28:37.

always going to take a year. However, there was a very clear

:28:38.:28:41.

expectation across Westminster, even among some people who know this area

:28:42.:28:46.

very well, that there would be a vote very swiftly after the Cabinet

:28:47.:28:50.

committee's crunch decision. That will now not take place, so

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therefore, crucially, the political sign of as absolutely been delayed,

:28:56.:29:00.

and that is what has got some people upset and feeling that Theresa May

:29:01.:29:04.

is fudged it. That it could change. There is also conspiracy theories,

:29:05.:29:09.

that this could be more evidence that Theresa May would like the

:29:10.:29:13.

option of going for a spring election, because you wouldn't want

:29:14.:29:17.

to have Heathrow and issue that could be awkward for the Tory party

:29:18.:29:22.

lingering at a time where you want... That is always denied by

:29:23.:29:27.

anybody close to Theresa May, but it has the air of something that is a

:29:28.:29:32.

bit shaky. What about these stories last week that the government may,

:29:33.:29:37.

in its Britain open for business guys, say that Gatwick should have a

:29:38.:29:40.

second runway as well, largely a private sector investment forced why

:29:41.:29:48.

not expand the big regional airports like Birmingham? And there were

:29:49.:29:51.

suggestions around the fringes of the Tory conference that that would

:29:52.:29:54.

have been something that would have been a green flag to investors, come

:29:55.:29:58.

here, we need to be flying around the. Those suggestions, I think, are

:29:59.:30:04.

still in the play in the longer term but they won't be attached to this

:30:05.:30:10.

particular decision. I'm not sure that they ever were. Perhaps some

:30:11.:30:14.

over exuberance around the fringes where people want to see that kind

:30:15.:30:17.

of strong statement from the government. But not necessarily

:30:18.:30:24.

going to happen. What is Mr Corbyn going to go on? Who knows? There is

:30:25.:30:33.

so much around. Not easy to see a direct hit subject. Indeed. We saw

:30:34.:30:36.

Jeremy Corbyn do something last week, taking the August issue of the

:30:37.:30:41.

day and asking all six questions on Brexit. -- the biggest issue. This

:30:42.:30:47.

week it is hard to see a direct it. It's looking -- were looking for

:30:48.:30:52.

questions from the backbenches, Lisa Nandy, asking Theresa May about the

:30:53.:30:59.

God of enquiry. This is a potential big political enquiry in terms of

:31:00.:31:03.

what is happening with the child abuse enquiry, not just because it

:31:04.:31:08.

has been so messy but because it was Theresa May who instituted this

:31:09.:31:11.

enquiry when she was Home Secretary. Lisa Nandy's question might be worth

:31:12.:31:18.

looking out for, and some other Labour as well, Lucy Powell poor

:31:19.:31:21.

example. With Jeremy Corbyn, it isn't clear what he will go on.

:31:22.:31:27.

Possibly health spending. There was a story yesterday, the cost of the

:31:28.:31:31.

health service. Despite increases in funding, which the government likes

:31:32.:31:36.

to trumpet, for the first time in recent history, the amount spent per

:31:37.:31:42.

patient will be going down. And that is politically charged. That was

:31:43.:31:50.

interesting, that statistic. An interesting situation. Labour has a

:31:51.:31:56.

new Shadow Health Secretary, John Ashworth. Jeremy Corbyn might want

:31:57.:32:00.

to pick it up. It is clear when you take Heathrow, the health service,

:32:01.:32:05.

the Lowell Goddard enquiry farce, if that isn't too strong a word, that

:32:06.:32:11.

Mrs May's honeymoon is over. In the last few days, lots of politicians

:32:12.:32:18.

have said you can pick up a general shakiness about the place, not a

:32:19.:32:21.

time of doom and disaster, not the government having a terrible mess

:32:22.:32:28.

all over the place, but Theresa May's brand of competence,

:32:29.:32:31.

diligence, getting on with the job, the phrase she likes to use, it

:32:32.:32:36.

seems a bit shaky. We will see how shaky it is.

:32:37.:32:45.

Thank you, Mr Speaker, I know everyone will want to join me in

:32:46.:32:58.

remembering those affected by Aberfan in which 116 children lost

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their lives. It caused devastation to the community, it is like that

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would reflect on this important anniversary and recognise the

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solidarity and resilience of the people of Aberfan to overcome this

:33:11.:33:14.

tragedy. Mr Speaker this morning I had meetings with ministerial

:33:15.:33:17.

colleagues and others and I will have further such meetings today in

:33:18.:33:24.

addition to my duties in this House. Mr Speaker, may I associate myself

:33:25.:33:29.

with the sentiments of the Prime Minister, I am of an age to remember

:33:30.:33:33.

those black and white photographs, it affected everyone and we in this

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House Basson our thoughts today. Mr Speaker, as you might know it is my

:33:39.:33:43.

birthday today! The Prime Minister has already given me a huge birthday

:33:44.:33:47.

present by letting everyone know that we will be at the European

:33:48.:33:54.

union no later than March 31 2019. So could I press her for another

:33:55.:34:01.

present? Her excellent policy of closing Victorian prisons and

:34:02.:34:06.

opening modern ones is a spot on policy. Would she support the

:34:07.:34:14.

reopening of Wellingborough prison, as part of this excellent programme,

:34:15.:34:22.

or would she rather just think Happy Birthday? I'm very happy to wish my

:34:23.:34:27.

honourable friend happy birthday, I hope that Mrs Bone is going to treat

:34:28.:34:38.

the occasion in an appropriate manner!

:34:39.:34:46.

LAUGHTER Can I... Come out...

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LAUGHTER Order! I want to hear what is coming

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next! Prime Minister. Calm down, Mr Speaker! On the issue that he

:35:03.:35:08.

raises, the very serious issue he raises about prisons, I welcome the

:35:09.:35:15.

fact that he applauds the policy that we are following of closing out

:35:16.:35:19.

of date prisons and building new prisons. I hear the lobbying he's

:35:20.:35:23.

made in relation to Wellingborough, I assure him that it is one of those

:35:24.:35:28.

sites being considered but the Secretary of State will look at this

:35:29.:35:31.

very carefully and make an announcement in due course. Jeremy

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Corbyn. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I join with the Prime Minister in

:35:39.:35:42.

commemorating the disaster of Aberfan all those years ago when 118

:35:43.:35:47.

children died, along with many adults at that time. Many in that

:35:48.:35:51.

community are still living with that tragedy and they will live with that

:35:52.:35:55.

tragedy for the rest of their days. I remember it well as a young person

:35:56.:36:00.

growing up at that time and watching collections for the disaster fund. I

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think the BBC documentary presented by Hugh Edwards last night was

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brilliant and poignant and serves to remind us all of what the disaster

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was about. Mr Speaker, one in four of us will suffer mental health

:36:16.:36:19.

problem, analysis by the Kings fund suggests that 40% of mental health

:36:20.:36:23.

trusts had their budgets cut last year and six have seen their budgets

:36:24.:36:29.

cut for three years in a row. As the Prime Minister really confident that

:36:30.:36:35.

we are delivering parity for mental health? May I first say to the right

:36:36.:36:39.

honourable gentleman that I am also of an age where I remember those

:36:40.:36:43.

terrible scenes on television of what happened in Aberfan. I did not

:36:44.:36:50.

see the whole of the documentary by Huw Edwards but the bits I saw I

:36:51.:36:53.

thought were very poignant as the right honourable gentleman said. And

:36:54.:36:57.

it is interesting that it showed again the issue of those in power

:36:58.:37:01.

not being willing to step up to the plate initially, and accept what had

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happened. Obviously the result of the enquiry was very clear about

:37:08.:37:12.

where responsibility lay. In relation to the mental health

:37:13.:37:16.

services it is right that we are introducing parity of esteem for

:37:17.:37:19.

mental health in the National Health Service. We have been waiting to

:37:20.:37:23.

come at long for this. It is important that it is being done. But

:37:24.:37:29.

we are investing more in mental health services, an estimated record

:37:30.:37:33.

?11.7 billion. Particularly increasing the number of children's

:37:34.:37:37.

beds overall to the highest number in relation to mental health

:37:38.:37:41.

problems. I think this is important. There is of course more for us to do

:37:42.:37:46.

in looking at mental health but we have made an important start and

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that funding will be there, as I say. Jeremy Corbyn. Mr Speaker, I

:37:50.:37:56.

have a letter from Colin, a family member office has a chronic mental

:37:57.:37:59.

health condition and he like many others with relatives going through

:38:00.:38:04.

this kind of crisis says this, the NHS is so dramatically underfunded

:38:05.:38:09.

that so often it is left to the underfunded police forces to deal

:38:10.:38:12.

with the consequence of this crisis. Indeed achieve Constable of Devon

:38:13.:38:16.

and Cornwall as this month threatened legal action against the

:38:17.:38:21.

NHS because he is forced to hold people with mental conditions in

:38:22.:38:25.

police cells because there are not enough and beds. I simply ask the

:38:26.:38:30.

Prime Minister this. If the government is committed to parity of

:38:31.:38:34.

esteem why is this trust and so many others facing an acute financial

:38:35.:38:40.

crisis at present? Prime Minister. Can I say to Colin and that we all

:38:41.:38:44.

in this House recognise the difficulty that people have when

:38:45.:38:49.

they are coping with mental health problems and, I commend those in

:38:50.:38:53.

this house who have been prepared to stand up and referred to their own

:38:54.:38:57.

mental health problems. That has been an important signal to people

:38:58.:39:01.

with mental health issues across the country. He raises the question of

:39:02.:39:05.

the interaction between the NHS and police forces. I'm very proud of the

:39:06.:39:09.

fact that when I was secretary I worked with the Department of Health

:39:10.:39:12.

to bring a change to the way in which police forces were dealing

:39:13.:39:22.

with people in mental health prices so that we see those triage pilots

:39:23.:39:25.

out on the street, we see better NHS support being given to police forces

:39:26.:39:28.

so the number of people who are having to be taken to a police cell

:39:29.:39:32.

is a place of safety in some areas, overall it has more than halved, in

:39:33.:39:36.

some areas it has come down by even more than that. This is a result of

:39:37.:39:40.

the action that this government has taken. Jeremy Corbyn. Mr Speaker the

:39:41.:39:47.

reality is that no one with a mental health condition should ever be

:39:48.:39:50.

taken to a police cell. They should be supported in the proper way. I do

:39:51.:39:55.

commend those Police and Crime Commissioner 's that have ended that

:39:56.:39:59.

practice in the areas but the reality is that it isn't just Devon

:40:00.:40:03.

and Cornwall suffering cuts, Norfolk and Suffolk mental health trust has

:40:04.:40:07.

had a cut for every one of its last three years and I agree with the

:40:08.:40:13.

Prime Minister that members of this House openly discussing mental

:40:14.:40:15.

health issues they have had is a great thing because we do need to

:40:16.:40:21.

end the stigma surrounding these conditions across the whole country.

:40:22.:40:26.

But NHS trusts are in a financial crisis. According to NHS providers

:40:27.:40:32.

it seems to be the worst financial crisis in NHS history, 80% of

:40:33.:40:36.

hospitals no endeavours that. There was a time in 2010 when the NHS was

:40:37.:40:46.

in surplus. What has happened? The Prime Minister. I would like to

:40:47.:40:49.

remind him that what has happened with NHS funding is this. We asked

:40:50.:40:56.

the NHS themselves to come up with a five-year plan and say what extra

:40:57.:41:00.

funding was needed to deliver on it. They came up with a five-year plan

:41:01.:41:04.

led by Simon Stevens as chief executive of the NHS. He said it was

:41:05.:41:08.

?8 billion that was needed and we are giving ?10 billion of extra

:41:09.:41:14.

funding to the and adjust. And I might remind the right honourable

:41:15.:41:20.

gentleman that, at the last election, it wasn't the Conservative

:41:21.:41:23.

Party that was refusing to guarantee funding for the NHS, it was the

:41:24.:41:32.

Labour Party! Mr Speaker come in six years, the NHS has gone from surplus

:41:33.:41:39.

to its worst crisis. ?3 billion was wasted on top-down reorganisation

:41:40.:41:46.

and no one wanted and yesterday at the select committee Simon Stevens

:41:47.:41:49.

made it clear that he does not believe that NHS England has enough

:41:50.:41:52.

money to get through the crisis it is facing. Can I offer an analysis

:41:53.:41:59.

from the Care Quality Commission which seemed to have quite a good

:42:00.:42:02.

grasp of what's happening. They save at cuts to adult social care, and I

:42:03.:42:10.

quote, translating to increased A E attendances, emergency missions

:42:11.:42:13.

and delays to people leaving hospital which in turn is affecting

:42:14.:42:17.

the ability of a growing number of trusts to meet their performances

:42:18.:42:21.

and their natural targets, will the Prime Minister also addressed the

:42:22.:42:29.

reckless, counter-productive cuts made. You could Simon Stevens. The

:42:30.:42:38.

time of the Autumn Statement last November he said that their case for

:42:39.:42:42.

the NHS had been hurt actively supported. The right honourable

:42:43.:42:45.

gentleman raises the question of social care and the interaction

:42:46.:42:51.

between health and social care. Over ?5 billion extra was put into the

:42:52.:42:55.

better care of and precisely to deal with these issues. Local authorities

:42:56.:43:00.

are able to raise about 2% of council tax to deal with social care

:43:01.:43:06.

costs that they face. But what is important is the health service and

:43:07.:43:10.

local authorities working together to ensure that they are delivering

:43:11.:43:14.

the best possible service for people who require that social care. I saw

:43:15.:43:19.

a good example of that at Salford Royal on Monday. I want to see more

:43:20.:43:25.

such examples across the NHS, delivering for patients. We have put

:43:26.:43:28.

the funding in. His party would not have done that. We have seen better

:43:29.:43:37.

care for patient Mikes. We all want the government and the local NHS to

:43:38.:43:41.

work well together but the problem is that local government funding has

:43:42.:43:46.

been cut, 400,000 fewer people are receiving publicly funded social

:43:47.:43:50.

care as a consequence, the NHS is having trouble coping with the

:43:51.:43:55.

crisis, therefore, unfortunately there is bed blocking, where acute

:43:56.:43:59.

patients cannot leave because there is no social care available for them

:44:00.:44:02.

down the line. The issue is the funding crisis in the NHS and in

:44:03.:44:08.

local government. The published figures by the NHS Trust show that

:44:09.:44:13.

the total deficit is 2.45 billion but the chief executive says this

:44:14.:44:20.

figure may even be bigger. The government disguises the extent of

:44:21.:44:22.

the crisis through temporary bailouts. They are bailing out, and

:44:23.:44:37.

trust in a crisis, that is not a bad thing but why are they in a crisis

:44:38.:44:43.

in the first place? -- bailing out of trust in a crisis. Next month, Mr

:44:44.:44:48.

Speaker, sustainability and transformation plans are going be

:44:49.:44:54.

published. Many, all over the country, are alarmed by this,

:44:55.:44:58.

because of the threat to accident and emergency departments. Can the

:44:59.:45:03.

Prime Minister deal with this issue now by simply saying there will be

:45:04.:45:11.

no downgrades and no closures of A E departments in the statement next

:45:12.:45:12.

month? Over the course of this Parliament,

:45:13.:45:22.

the government will be spending over half ?1 trillion on the NHS. That is

:45:23.:45:28.

a record level of investment in our National Health Service. But there

:45:29.:45:32.

is a key difference between the way he approaches this and the way that

:45:33.:45:36.

I do. We believe on this side of the house that, at local level, people

:45:37.:45:40.

should be able to make decisions about the NHS, that decisions should

:45:41.:45:45.

be led by clinicians, that it shouldn't be top-down, which is a

:45:46.:45:49.

prep -- which is typical of the Labour Party. Well, Mr Speaker,

:45:50.:46:02.

top-down is what we got. And it cost ?3 billion for a reorganisation that

:46:03.:46:07.

nobody wanted at all. Mr Speaker, I started by asking the Prime Minister

:46:08.:46:11.

about parity of esteem. All this government has produced is parity of

:46:12.:46:18.

failure. Failing mental health patients, failing elderly people who

:46:19.:46:22.

need social care, failing the 4 million on the NHS waiting list,

:46:23.:46:26.

wailing five times as many people waiting more than four hours at A

:46:27.:46:32.

departments, and another winter crisis is looming. The society of

:46:33.:46:37.

acute medicines is it right, I think, when it says, this funding

:46:38.:46:41.

crisis and the local government funding crisis is leaving the NHS on

:46:42.:46:49.

its knees. What has happened in the NHS over the last six years? More

:46:50.:46:55.

patients being treated, more calls to the Ambulance Service, more

:46:56.:46:58.

operations, more doctors, more nurses. That is what has been

:46:59.:47:04.

happening in the NHS. But let's just look at what his party's approach to

:47:05.:47:08.

the NHS is. A former Shadow Health Secretary said, it would be

:47:09.:47:13.

irresponsible to put more money into the NHS. A former leader of the

:47:14.:47:19.

Labour Party wanted to recognise the NHS. -- weapon ise. At every

:47:20.:47:32.

election, the Labour Party claims that the Tories will cut NHS

:47:33.:47:36.

spending. After every election, we increase NHS spending. At every

:47:37.:47:41.

election, Labour claim that the Tories will privatise the NHS. At

:47:42.:47:47.

every election, indictment, we have protected the NHS. -- in government.

:47:48.:47:53.

There is only one party that has cut funding for the NHS, the Labour

:47:54.:47:55.

Party in Wales. Thank you, Mr Speaker. If the Prime

:47:56.:48:11.

Minister aware that research shows that infrastructure investment most

:48:12.:48:13.

benefits area is prepared to capitalise on it, with new

:48:14.:48:19.

associated possibilities in housing, skills and jobs? Will she ensure

:48:20.:48:23.

that current opportunities are taken for inward investment to preserve

:48:24.:48:28.

and we energise essential national industries, like one in the Yeovil

:48:29.:48:31.

area, as we seek to capitalise on the dualling of the A303? My

:48:32.:48:41.

honourable friend is right. We are investing in infrastructure like the

:48:42.:48:45.

A303. It is important that local communities embrace those

:48:46.:48:50.

opportunities. I know that my honourable friend has been putting

:48:51.:48:52.

together ideas for Yeovil and I'm sure he will share those with Mike

:48:53.:48:56.

right honourable friend, the Communities Secretary. I joined the

:48:57.:49:01.

Prime Minister and the leader of the Labour Party in remembering the

:49:02.:49:05.

Aberfan disaster at my thoughts are with everybody affected. Thousands

:49:06.:49:09.

of innocent civilians have now been killed by Saudi air strikes in

:49:10.:49:13.

Yemen. Can the Prime Minister give the house assurance that those

:49:14.:49:19.

civilians have not been killed by pave way missiles, partially

:49:20.:49:24.

manufactured in Scotland, under licence from her government in Saudi

:49:25.:49:29.

Arabia? I congratulate the right honourable gentleman on his election

:49:30.:49:35.

as deputy leader of the SNP. I say to him, as he knows, we have one of

:49:36.:49:40.

the toughest regimes in the world in relation to arms exports. When these

:49:41.:49:46.

allegations arise, we have been pressing, I have pressed in the past

:49:47.:49:50.

and my right honourable friend the Foreign Secretary has pressed the

:49:51.:49:56.

Foreign Secretary, and the Saudi government investigate and learn

:49:57.:50:01.

lessons. It is beyond doubt that the Saudi air force is bombing Yemen,

:50:02.:50:07.

flying planes made in Britain, by pilots trained by Britain and

:50:08.:50:12.

dropping missiles made in Britain. I asked her a direct question and she

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couldn't answer it. Can she give this house and the assurance that

:50:17.:50:20.

civilians have not been killed by Paveway 4 bombs being dropped on

:50:21.:50:26.

Yemen which are partially manufactured in Scotland under

:50:27.:50:31.

licence by the government? If she doesn't know the answer to that

:50:32.:50:36.

question, how can she possibly in good conscience continue selling

:50:37.:50:41.

them to Saudi Arabia? In response to the right honourable gentleman, the

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point I made was simple. We press for proper investigations into what

:50:47.:50:49.

has happened on those incidents before we reach a decision or

:50:50.:50:53.

conclusion on what has happened in relation to those incidents. We have

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a very strong elation chip with Saudi Arabia. It is for this country

:50:58.:51:02.

in terms of dealing with counterterrorism and a number of

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other issues. What matters when incidents happen which caused

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concern is that they are properly investigated. A few weeks ago, I

:51:09.:51:17.

thought I'd successfully bought four tickets online for one of my

:51:18.:51:22.

favourite bands, Green Day, only to be told the tickets were unavailable

:51:23.:51:27.

and the gig sold out. Within minutes, I could buy the tickets on

:51:28.:51:31.

another site for twice the price. It turned out the ticket site had been

:51:32.:51:36.

the victim of an attack by organised cats who resold the ticket inflated

:51:37.:51:41.

prices. We'll the Prime Minister asked her ministers to give close

:51:42.:51:45.

consideration to my amendment to be Digital economy act which would make

:51:46.:51:50.

the computerised harvesting of tickets for resale in offence?

:51:51.:51:54.

Similar legislation exists elsewhere and it would go a long way to

:51:55.:51:57.

protecting consumers and genuine music fans. I think my honourable

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friends for raising this issue. I'm sure he isn't the only member of the

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spouse who has had that experience and certainly not the only person,

:52:07.:52:12.

as people will know from their constituency mailbags, to have had

:52:13.:52:17.

this experience. As part of the consumer rights act, a review of

:52:18.:52:22.

online ticket sales was introduced. Professor Michael Waterson

:52:23.:52:25.

introduced a report on that. It has produced a number of

:52:26.:52:28.

recommendations, some for the industry to be able to better

:52:29.:52:32.

protect itself, but the government will be looking at the

:52:33.:52:34.

recommendations of that very carefully to see what can be done to

:52:35.:52:43.

address the issue he talks about. The child abuse enquiry needs to

:52:44.:52:48.

regain the trust of survivors. In September, the Home Secretary said

:52:49.:52:51.

she had no information about Syria's leadership failings but on Monday

:52:52.:52:54.

she told the house she had known about serious problems since July.

:52:55.:52:58.

Yesterday it emerged that senior home of this -- Home Office

:52:59.:53:04.

officials were briefed in April this year. She set up the enquiry and

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pointed the chair. She was the individual responsible for the

:53:11.:53:13.

enquiry's success. She was the Home Secretary in April and she was the

:53:14.:53:18.

only person who had the power to act. Can she now finally tell us

:53:19.:53:23.

when she personally learned of the serious problems developing in this

:53:24.:53:29.

enquiry and why it was that she took no action at all? Can I say, I

:53:30.:53:35.

recognise that the honourable lady has taken a particular interest in

:53:36.:53:39.

this issue and I'm sure she will recognise, as I hope other members

:53:40.:53:44.

of this house do, why it is I set up the enquiry. For too long, people

:53:45.:53:51.

who had been to child... For too long, people who had been subjected

:53:52.:53:56.

to child sexual abuse had their voices going unheard and they felt

:53:57.:54:01.

they were not getting justice. That is why it is very important that the

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enquiry is able to continue and find that justice for them. I have to say

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to the honourable lady that one of the important aspects of this is

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that, over the years, too many people have had concerns that people

:54:16.:54:19.

in positions of power have intervened to stop them from getting

:54:20.:54:26.

justice. There were stories around about the enquiry and about

:54:27.:54:29.

individuals related to the enquiry, but the Home Secretary cannot

:54:30.:54:34.

intervene on the basis of suspicion, rumour or hearsay. She refers to the

:54:35.:54:42.

statement made yesterday in this house. She refers to the statement

:54:43.:54:45.

made yesterday in this house about information being discussed with the

:54:46.:54:50.

director-general in the Home Office. She will also have noted that that

:54:51.:54:55.

conversation was asked to be confidential, and as far as I'm

:54:56.:54:59.

aware it was treated as such. I think it is important for us to

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recognise that, when the Home Office was officially informed of issues,

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the Home Office acted. It's now for the enquiry to get on and deliver

:55:09.:55:15.

for victims and survivors. Having been born and growing up in south

:55:16.:55:22.

Wales and as a former Secretary of State for Wales, can I associate

:55:23.:55:25.

myself with the heartfelt tributes that have been paid by the front

:55:26.:55:30.

bench to the community of Aberfan and throughout this house. It was a

:55:31.:55:35.

tragedy that was unparalleled and it stunned the world. Can the Prime

:55:36.:55:37.

Minister in her own words step up to the plate and reconfirm her

:55:38.:55:43.

commitment to Wales and to ensuring that her government works with the

:55:44.:55:48.

Welsh government, particularly after leaving the EU, to maintain the

:55:49.:55:52.

levels of investment that so vital to the long-term social and economic

:55:53.:55:55.

development of the valleys communities and rest of Wales? I say

:55:56.:56:01.

to my right honourable friend that, as a former Secretary of State for

:56:02.:56:05.

Wales, she is well aware of the impact the Aberfan disaster at an

:56:06.:56:10.

south Wales and those local communities and, as I said in my

:56:11.:56:14.

opening remarks, these events were tragic and the thoughts of the whole

:56:15.:56:17.

house with those who were affected by them. I can give that commitment

:56:18.:56:22.

she is asking for, of this government to Wales and working with

:56:23.:56:26.

the Welsh government. I am clear this government is going to deliver

:56:27.:56:30.

a country that works for every part of the UK. The Wales Bill will

:56:31.:56:37.

transfer a historic transfer of powers to be Welsh Assembly. It will

:56:38.:56:41.

allow the Welsh government to focus on the job of transforming the Welsh

:56:42.:56:45.

economy, and we are talking to them about how we are going to go forward

:56:46.:56:49.

in relation to negotiations for leaving the EU. Progress today has

:56:50.:56:53.

been very slow. Can I appeal to colleagues to speed up. Much

:56:54.:57:02.

obliged. Can there be a single member of this house who does not

:57:03.:57:05.

have reason to be grateful to those heroes of our high street, the

:57:06.:57:11.

community pharmacist. And can there be any member of the public who is

:57:12.:57:15.

not as bemused as I am by the fact that the government is proposing a

:57:16.:57:21.

12% cut in the community pharmacy budgets, potentially leading to 3000

:57:22.:57:26.

closures? Will be Prime Minister today express her support for

:57:27.:57:29.

community pharmacy and have another look at this divisive, corrosive and

:57:30.:57:35.

destructive proposal? I think everybody in this house recognises

:57:36.:57:43.

the role and contribution of community pharmacies up and down the

:57:44.:57:47.

country, but it's also right that we look at how we are spending NHS

:57:48.:57:53.

money. That is why the government is looking at this issue. If the

:57:54.:57:57.

honourable gentleman supports community pharmacies, perhaps he

:57:58.:58:00.

ought to have a word with his right honourable friend, the Leader of the

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Opposition, because his policy is to completely nationalised the health

:58:05.:58:10.

system, lock, stock and barrel, GP surgeries, Macmillan nurses and GP

:58:11.:58:15.

pharmacies. Next week, this government will finally make a

:58:16.:58:18.

decision on airport capacity in the south-east, something that eluded

:58:19.:58:22.

three of her predecessors and will help boost trade. Does the Prime

:58:23.:58:26.

Minister agree that on this issue substance matters more? Will she

:58:27.:58:29.

outlined her timetable for indentation? He is right, this month

:58:30.:58:38.

this government will take a decision on the appropriate site for expanded

:58:39.:58:41.

airport capacity in the south-east. This is a subject that's been

:58:42.:58:46.

debated, discussed, speculated on for 40 years. This government will

:58:47.:58:50.

take a decision. But there is a formal process that has to be

:58:51.:58:54.

undertaken, so the government will identify its proposed option

:58:55.:59:00.

off-site -- of sight. That will go to a statutory consultation. The

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government will consider the results of that and bring forward an

:59:04.:59:07.

airports national planning statement on which this house will vote. Does

:59:08.:59:16.

the Prime Minister agree that any move to close the historic barracks

:59:17.:59:19.

at Fort George would not only be a poor military decision after 250

:59:20.:59:25.

years of service but a betrayal of the Black Watch and a slap in the

:59:26.:59:30.

face to the Highlands? I say to the honourable gentleman that I

:59:31.:59:34.

recognised the strength of the view he has put forward. No decisions on

:59:35.:59:38.

Fort George or other locations have been taken and the Ministry of

:59:39.:59:41.

Defence will engage with all parties impacted by any decisions that it

:59:42.:59:45.

takes of this sort, including in Scotland. My right honourable friend

:59:46.:59:53.

has been expressing some reluctance to submit even the broad plans for

:59:54.:59:57.

future negotiations with the EU to this house because of worries it

:59:58.:00:01.

might weaken her government's negotiating position. As she noticed

:00:02.:00:06.

that this week one or more Brexiteer members of her Cabinet have been

:00:07.:00:12.

briefing the newspapers copiously on every proposal being put forward in

:00:13.:00:17.

papers to be relevant Cabinet committee by their colleagues, and

:00:18.:00:20.

launching political attacks on their Cabinet colleagues, who seemed to

:00:21.:00:25.

disagree with them? Will she take firm action to stop this process,

:00:26.:00:29.

and will she also agree that the proper approach is Parliamentary

:00:30.:00:35.

scrutiny of the broad strategy once the government has reached agreement

:00:36.:00:40.

on what it should be? I say to my right honourable friend that the

:00:41.:00:43.

government is very clear that the vote on June the 23rd was a vote to

:00:44.:00:48.

ensure that we had control of movement of people from the EU into

:00:49.:00:52.

the UK, but also we want to see the best possible access for businesses

:00:53.:00:57.

for trading in goods and services with an operating within that

:00:58.:01:00.

European market. That is what the government will be aiming for and we

:01:01.:01:04.

will be ambitious in that. Parliament will have its say. These

:01:05.:01:08.

are going to be lengthy negotiations over the course of two years or

:01:09.:01:11.

more. Parliament will have its say in a variety of ways, not least in

:01:12.:01:17.

relation to the great repeal bill. Some of my constituents have had

:01:18.:01:21.

their tax credits suddenly stopped by concentric and have been accused

:01:22.:01:26.

of being in a relationship with previous tenants of their homes, who

:01:27.:01:30.

they have never even met. In some cases, they have been accused of

:01:31.:01:34.

being in a relationship with members of their own families and told to

:01:35.:01:40.

prove they are not. This Kafka-esque situation is causing deep distress

:01:41.:01:43.

and hardship among working mothers in my constituency. This is what the

:01:44.:01:49.

Prime Minister means by being on the side of working people? What is she

:01:50.:01:52.

going to do to put it right? The right honourable lady raises an

:01:53.:01:57.

issue which is of concern to members across this house. Making sure that

:01:58.:02:03.

those who are being assessed are being assessed properly and the

:02:04.:02:06.

decisions and right decisions are taken. The Department for Work and

:02:07.:02:10.

Pensions is looking at the process of what should be done and how both

:02:11.:02:18.

assessment should be taken. I say to her that I hoped she would welcome

:02:19.:02:21.

the fact that this government has said that, for those with long-term

:02:22.:02:25.

conditions that are not going to improve, we will not be putting them

:02:26.:02:29.

through the regular assessments they had under her government

:02:30.:02:41.

apprenticeships from EDF has just been launched at the Bridgewater and

:02:42.:02:43.

Taunton college. And we do want to see every

:02:44.:03:22.

generation of nuclear expertise in the industry. The Prime Minister is

:03:23.:03:30.

celebrated her 65th birthday but will not retire. It is her choice.

:03:31.:03:35.

Yet she is denying that same choice to many of my constituents, women

:03:36.:03:42.

like Christina, who has worked every bit as hard as the Prime Minister

:03:43.:03:46.

but will have to now work an extra six years. When will she do the

:03:47.:03:52.

right thing and give these women there transitional... So that they

:03:53.:03:57.

can also make the choices that she has enjoys? The honourable lady

:03:58.:04:01.

knows that we have transition arrangements in place, that action

:04:02.:04:04.

was taken by the government to ensure that the period of time that

:04:05.:04:08.

the pension aged changed would be no more than 18 months compared to the

:04:09.:04:14.

previous timetable and for 81% of women affected by the 2011 change it

:04:15.:04:20.

will be no more than 12 months. Heidi Allen. Thank you, Mr Speaker,

:04:21.:04:25.

the unemployment figures results today are fantastic news yet I worry

:04:26.:04:29.

about the economic volatility that could come as a consequence of

:04:30.:04:33.

Brexit potentially inflation rising and the cost of living going up for

:04:34.:04:37.

people on modest wages, does the Prime Minister agree we need to keep

:04:38.:04:40.

as many people in a plummet as possible and need to make the right

:04:41.:04:44.

decision of tax credits, could I urge you to look at those cuts

:04:45.:04:47.

embedded in universal credit and make sure we know what it will do to

:04:48.:04:55.

people trying to get work in this Autumn Statement. My right

:04:56.:05:01.

honourable friend is right say this, I'm very proud of the record that

:05:02.:05:05.

the government has over the last six years of getting more people into

:05:06.:05:08.

work so that there are now hundreds of thousands fewer households with

:05:09.:05:13.

no work income coming into the household. That is extremely

:05:14.:05:17.

important and the point of universal credit is to be able to ensure that

:05:18.:05:22.

the transition from benefits into work as a transition that means that

:05:23.:05:28.

people do have benefit if they are out of work rows this system means

:05:29.:05:32.

that for some people there were better off on benefits, we want to

:05:33.:05:36.

see people in work and that is a system is there to encourage. Mr

:05:37.:05:44.

Speaker been asking questions for 15 months and this government is

:05:45.:05:49.

appalling to child policy and rape close, from one feminist to another

:05:50.:05:53.

how can the Prime Minister justify putting vulnerable women to the

:05:54.:05:57.

trauma of proving that the third child has been born as a result of

:05:58.:06:02.

rape? We have been very clear that women with a third child as a result

:06:03.:06:06.

of rape would not be subject to the limit being considered in relation

:06:07.:06:11.

to benefits. I absolutely recognise that the honourable lady is making a

:06:12.:06:19.

point on how this would affect individuals who have been through

:06:20.:06:23.

the trauma of rape. That is why the government is taking its time, is

:06:24.:06:27.

considering this, consulting on this at the moment and looking at how we

:06:28.:06:30.

can make sure we do this in the right way. Sir who goes quiet. Thank

:06:31.:06:38.

you, Mr Speaker, given the increasing relevance of the

:06:39.:06:41.

Commonwealth in terms of trade were the Prime Minister give her support

:06:42.:06:44.

to the first ever meeting of Commonwealth trade ministers in the

:06:45.:06:47.

UK next year and will she commit when she goes to India next month to

:06:48.:06:52.

persuade the Indian Prime Minister to attend in the UK in 2018? I am

:06:53.:07:00.

happy to encourage all leaders to attend the event when it takes place

:07:01.:07:06.

in the UK. I can assure my right honourable friend that we are

:07:07.:07:08.

looking at the possibility of trade deals in relation to the

:07:09.:07:12.

Commonwealth and I to applaud that first ever meeting of Commonwealth

:07:13.:07:16.

trade metres which is an important step as we look to forging a new

:07:17.:07:20.

global role in the world, ensuring we are making a success of trading

:07:21.:07:30.

around the world. Local authorities are clear that the removal of 24

:07:31.:07:34.

hour maternity services in my area will cost lives and this is a

:07:35.:07:37.

decision the government will have to make. Will the Prime Minister please

:07:38.:07:41.

commit to visiting my constituency to see the effect of the decision

:07:42.:07:45.

upon West Cumbrian families and children. I say to the honourable

:07:46.:07:52.

gentleman, this is not the first time he's raised his concerns in

:07:53.:07:55.

relation to this hospital. Can I say that the point of the way in which

:07:56.:07:59.

we are approaching this is that decisions are taken and generated

:08:00.:08:03.

from the local level. It is at the local level that they will look for

:08:04.:08:06.

services necessary to people to ensure they can provide the services

:08:07.:08:11.

needed and safe services for people of his constituency and other parts

:08:12.:08:17.

of Cumbria. Sir Robert Neill. The tragic murder of one prisoner and

:08:18.:08:22.

the critical winding of two others in Pentonville prison last might

:08:23.:08:25.

bring some start to the declining safety and presence. Will the Prime

:08:26.:08:29.

Minister give the Secretary of State for Justice full support in

:08:30.:08:32.

commissioning a thorough and complete review of the operational,

:08:33.:08:39.

managerial capacity of leadership of the service which has signally

:08:40.:08:43.

failed to arrest this declining situation? This is a matter which is

:08:44.:08:48.

one of the very first issue is that my right honourable friend the

:08:49.:08:52.

Justice Secretary raised with me which was the question of violence

:08:53.:08:55.

in prisons and safety in prisons. That is why my right honourable

:08:56.:08:59.

friend is looking across-the-board and the action needed to be taken

:09:00.:09:05.

and has announced extra money to the staff in prisons because she

:09:06.:09:08.

recognises the importance of this issue. Lucy Powell. Thank you Mr

:09:09.:09:14.

Speaker, one in every 1000 pupils has three meals in grammar schools.

:09:15.:09:17.

Does the Prime Minister agree with me that this tiny number is flimsy

:09:18.:09:24.

evidence base on which to create a new national schools policy.

:09:25.:09:26.

Watching the better looking at the real evidence of how we reduce

:09:27.:09:31.

inequality in education? -- would she not be better looking about? I

:09:32.:09:36.

want to see every child getting the education right for them, every

:09:37.:09:40.

child able to get on as far as their talents and hard work will them.

:09:41.:09:45.

That is why we need to increase the number of good schools in this

:09:46.:09:55.

country. If you look at the gap in attainment between those who are

:09:56.:09:58.

from disadvantaged backgrounds and those not in grammar schools it is

:09:59.:10:02.

virtually zero. That's not the same in other schools. I say to the

:10:03.:10:08.

honourable lady that I think it is wrong that we have a system in this

:10:09.:10:14.

country where we have a law that prevents the opening or expansion of

:10:15.:10:18.

good schools, that is what we will get rid of. Pauline Latham. Will the

:10:19.:10:26.

premise to work with her secretaries of state to try to reduce the amount

:10:27.:10:32.

of ivory trade and trade of endangered species throughout the

:10:33.:10:36.

world, to try to lead by example from this country? My honourable

:10:37.:10:41.

friend raises an important issue, this is something the government has

:10:42.:10:45.

been taken up and I can assure her not only has my right honourable

:10:46.:10:51.

friend the Foreign Secretary heard them that has promoted that this is

:10:52.:10:53.

an issue the government will take up. The pottery industry is

:10:54.:11:01.

witnessing a modest Renaissance partly through EU exports and action

:11:02.:11:05.

on Chinese ceramic dumping. The previous prime ministers said he

:11:06.:11:08.

would make sure that the ceramic industry's voice is heard and we

:11:09.:11:12.

would get a good negotiation. What is this Prime Minister doing to make

:11:13.:11:17.

sure that Stoke-on-Trent ceramic manufacturers maintain tariff free

:11:18.:11:21.

access to the EU and a level playing field in the face of protectionist

:11:22.:11:27.

dumping? I say to the honourable gentleman that I am pleased to

:11:28.:11:30.

welcome the Renaissance in the ceramics industry that he refers to.

:11:31.:11:37.

His constituency has a long-standing history and tradition in ceramics.

:11:38.:11:40.

What are we doing as we go through the negotiations were leaving the

:11:41.:11:43.

European Union we will ensure that this country has the best possible

:11:44.:11:47.

access to trade with and operate within that European market. That is

:11:48.:11:55.

what people want. Many constituents have expressed concern to me of

:11:56.:11:59.

anti-Semitism. I'm sure that every member of this House will agree that

:12:00.:12:04.

we should show its zero tolerance. Does the Prime Minister also agree

:12:05.:12:12.

that all parties should not allow a situation to arise where it appears

:12:13.:12:17.

that an environment is created when anti-Semitism is tolerated?

:12:18.:12:21.

Liverpool Prime Minister? I absolutely agree with my honourable

:12:22.:12:26.

friend that this House should send a clear message that we won't tolerate

:12:27.:12:30.

anti-Semitism. I have been concerned about the rise we have seen in the

:12:31.:12:33.

number of anti-Semitic incidents in this country. We should ensure that

:12:34.:12:39.

those incidents are properly investigated and dealt with and give

:12:40.:12:41.

that clear message that we want tolerated. But that has to be every

:12:42.:12:48.

political party in this chamber. And I ask the right honourable

:12:49.:12:52.

gentleman, the Leader of the Opposition, given the report of the

:12:53.:12:56.

select committee of this House about anti-Semitism and the approach to

:12:57.:12:59.

anti-Semitism in the Labour Party, he needs to think very carefully

:13:00.:13:02.

about the environment being created in the Labour Party in relation to

:13:03.:13:08.

anti-Semitism. Andy Burnham. We are one such man and -- we one month

:13:09.:13:16.

from the inquest into the Birmingham pub bombings, the west midlands fund

:13:17.:13:20.

has a fund of ?1 million yet the bereaved families have no legal

:13:21.:13:25.

funding. This is a shameful state of affairs. Please intervene and show

:13:26.:13:29.

the Birmingham families the same compassion that was shown to the

:13:30.:13:32.

Hillsborough families. The right honourable gentleman may be aware

:13:33.:13:36.

that the Birmingham families have been encouraged to apply and I

:13:37.:13:40.

believe they have applied to the legal aid fund for the exceptional

:13:41.:13:44.

funds. That was as I understand what happened after the 7/7 bombings. The

:13:45.:13:49.

Home Secretary has made clear her expectation that funding will be

:13:50.:13:53.

provided. We await the decision from the legal aid fund. We hope that

:13:54.:14:00.

decision be for certificate. -- will be positive. Why build a new runway

:14:01.:14:05.

at Heathrow when we could deliver one at Gatwick for a fraction of the

:14:06.:14:11.

time and the cost. May I assure my right honourable friend that no

:14:12.:14:14.

decision has been taken on the site of airport expansion on the

:14:15.:14:18.

south-east. As she will know from her previous background that Davis

:14:19.:14:22.

commission said that airport capacity should be expected, the

:14:23.:14:30.

Davis commission identified three sites all of which they said would

:14:31.:14:35.

be credible and deliverable. I feel it is fitting that we finish with a

:14:36.:14:40.

question from Mr Gerard Jones. Could I first thank the Prime Minister and

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the Leader of the Opposition and other members for their comments on

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the Aberfan disaster and the resilience and quiet dignity shown

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by the people of Aberfan. On Friday morning at 915, on the anniversary

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of the disaster the people of that community along with communities of

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Wales will mark that disaster with one minute's silence. Could I ask

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the Prime Minister if she would support that moment of silence being

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marked as the disaster affected communities across the country, if

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not the world, that that moment of silence be marked across the UK. I

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say to the honourable gentleman, I know the Secretary of State for

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Wales will attend the memorial in his constituency on Friday. I think

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it is appropriate that we all mark and show our respect for those who

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lost their lives and the families who suffered as a result of the

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tragedy that took place 50 years ago in Aberfan. It was, as we said

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earlier, terrible tragedy not just for families but for community and I

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think it is right that we recognise Prime Minister's Questions comes to

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an end. I think that maybe a record for us. It started a bit late, but

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it is only quarter to one now. Jeremy Corbyn began with a specific

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question about spending on mental health, about budgets being cut, but

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he then moved on and, as a consequence, he gave an example of

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people being held in police cells because there was no room in

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hospitals, but he then moved onto the more general issue of health

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funding and whether, despite the rise is the government says its

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making, it was enough to cope with the demand. There were a number of

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exchanges between the Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition on

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that. There were also two other developments. Angus Robertson for

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the SNP asked the Prime Minister if she could be sure that the civilians

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who'd been killed in bombing in Yemen why Saudi Arabian air force

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had not been done so by British missiles. It isn't clear what the

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Prime Minister's answer was. It was clear she didn't really know. Quite

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a hard question but she couldn't answer it. Lisa Nandy, a backbench

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Labour MP, asked about the Goddard enquiry into child abuse, which has

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been surrounded by controversy, with the New Zealand judge resigning, yet

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another, and we are on to the fourth judge now. The Prime Minister said

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she had heard rumours that all was not well but that it was not her job

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to act on rumours when she was Home Secretary. I think that will not be

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the end of it. We may see where that goes from here. We will hear from

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our panel in a minute. For that, let's get some e-mails. Viewers

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picked up on the debate at the dispatch box about health spending.

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Jeffery says, while both the Prime Minister and Mr Corbyn are right to

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be concerned in regard to the issue of mental health, I wish they'd stop

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using the best health system in the world as a political football. Alan

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said, isn't it time there was a review into what services the NHS

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should and shouldn't provide instead of continuously throwing money at

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it. John from Leeds said, surprised to hear the Prime Minister during

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the word top-down justifying her own government's action, but whatever is

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spent on the NHS will never be enough and the sooner the government

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-- the sooner Labour start admitting this the better. Mrs May on rocky

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ground, says Ian from Altrincham. They have funded the NHS but they

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have cut social care meaning the NHS is having to deal with things that

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social -- local authorities should Peter says, Corbyn had a good PMQs.

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The gloss is falling of the Prime Minister at a rate of knots. We've

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only got about five minutes. Lots of tricky issues, Theresa May with lots

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of things saying, a decision will be taken later or I can't give you

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those details. Two Pandora's box -- boxes. Theresa May implied that she

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had been told something of the problems with the Goddard enquiry

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into historical child abuse. She said she couldn't act on hearsay,

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rumour or suspicion, but that was a tacit admission and it will be

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interesting to see how that is clarified during the day that she

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knew something of what was going wrong. It was her enquiry. Second,

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this may have been a Mr big, as it is sometimes known but, when was

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asked about Brexit, she said there would be lengthy negotiations over

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the course of two years, talking about Article 50, and more. That has

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set a hare running. Did the prime ministers sit -- give away her view

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that it will take more than two years, or was it just said in the

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heat of the moment? I think that is something that we will be trying to

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get the bottom of whether she was implying that the whole process,

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congregated, tricky, tortuous, is going to take longer than two years.

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It can take longer unless all other 27 members agree. Yes, it's up to

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the other member states to vote. It's a complicated issue. Comment on

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PMQs as a whole, is often theatre, but this was a good PMQs with lots

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of important questions. On the Brexit aspect, the Prime Minister

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made it very clear that we will work hard for the best possible access

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for our businesses, but also the vote was clear to say that Britain

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wants to control its borders and that's what we want to work towards.

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You have just come back from Saudi Arabia. RB Saudis using British

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defence equipment to bomb civilians in Yemen? -- are the Saudis. That an

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operational question. We do sell arms to Saudi Arabia. This is a

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legitimate war taking place, endorsed by the United Nations

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resolution supporting the president. It's important to recognise that

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Saudi Arabians have made mistakes but they have also put their hand up

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to it. We had the Foreign Minister in Parliament, the best place to

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answer questions, to be held to account, and he made it very clear

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that we are having difficulties in getting it wrong and we need to get

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it right but we need British help to make sure that we can correct the

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errors that have been happening. It an operational matter if it's an

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error and the Allies in Syria and Iraq made mistakes as well. It's not

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an operational matter if it's part of the Saudi strategy in the Yemen

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to bomb civilians. You are right, which is why I went to Riyadh last

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week to tell them that they need to come out with a report immediately.

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They did that, it was released at the weekend, and they put their hand

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up saying it was a breach of standard operating procedures and

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somebody will fall on their sword. There are now disciplinary actions,

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support and compensation is coming in to the victims. So they did

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intentionally bombed... We have made errors as well. Was it an error, was

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it a mistake? Was it collateral damage? Was it a deliberate attack

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on civilians? It was a deliberate error made by an individual who

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needs to be disciplined. So this individual deliberately attacked

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civilians. There was a choice to breach decisions. Riyadh said the

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attack shouldn't take place but it did. That is why this report will

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clarify exactly what's going to happen. It's important that Saudi

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Arabia, which hasn't been good at communicating these things, is able

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to come forward not just on this but their outstanding investigations we

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are all waiting to hear more details on. What was your take on PMQs? I

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thought it was a good day for Jeremy Corbyn, picking up the NHS, which is

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clearly in meltdown at the moment. Not only the financial loss, but I

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was a commissioner for 20 years in the NHS and I know that waiting

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times have escalated, 44 ambulances, any services, really in crisis. We

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are about further rationing, further planned cuts to services under these

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sustainable transformation plans. The reality is that it is the system

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that broken. The health and social care act put the wrong financial

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drivers in the system and it drove everybody into A rather than

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commitment to the community to stop the machine will keep gobbling

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money. It's about making sure the money goes to the right place. Under

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this reorganisation, it's going to the most expensive part of the

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health service, so that is why we have got the crisis. Which is the

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hospitals. Absolutely, the acute care. I had a mental health hospital

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shut in my constituency in three working days, so people were spread

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throughout the region in a mental health crisis. The system has been

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broken for far too long and we don't see parity. It is there enough

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standing at the dispatch box saying parity of esteem. We need to see

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resourcing and care put in an investment into mental health. Sorry

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to rush in. We need to move on. We are short of time. Laura, to see

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you. Now, of all the big Brexit issues

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none has more gravity than its possible impact

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on Premiership football. Players and managers

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could not avoid being asked for their thoughts in the wake

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of the referendum result. Of course, it's hard not to know

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that it's gone on but it's something that I've not really thought too

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much about yet. Obviously I'm focusing

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on the Euros and what's ahead. Nobody I don't think knows

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what's going to happen. From my point of view,

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I'm just going to wait and see And then it was around again,

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around the Brexit decision, things, OK, England,

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what will happen, and I really, I like giving a sign

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we are still Europe. Whatever happens, we are still

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Europe. We are quite different in a lot

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of things, especially what we eat and so on,

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but we are really similar. And Brexit is not an issue that has

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escaped the interest of the creators of the hit computer

:25:15.:25:19.

game Football Manager. Players of the 2017 edition

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will have to grapple with different Brexit scenarios as part

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of the game. And its director, Miles

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Jacobson, joins me now. Why? Because it's important. It's

:25:29.:25:40.

something that will be happening. There's nothing we can do to stop

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it. The vote has happened, people have spoken, and it will affect

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football. I don't think people thought about these kind of things

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before the vote. They didn't have this information. If we can't bring

:25:52.:25:56.

in players from the EU any more and we stick to the current work permit

:25:57.:26:02.

system that we have, it would mean players like N'Golo Kante and

:26:03.:26:05.

Dimitri Payet, two of the best players in the Premier League last

:26:06.:26:10.

season... And most of the high-profile managers. They would

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not be able to get work permits. We sat and looked at every possible

:26:15.:26:19.

scenario, including soft Brexit scenarios where you can still bring

:26:20.:26:21.

in players through freedom of movement for workers, through too

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hard Brexit options, where you will be limited to a quota of the number

:26:27.:26:31.

of foreign players you could have in the squad. Is that true? Is that a

:26:32.:26:36.

possible scenario, that we won't be able to get amazing football

:26:37.:26:41.

managers and players on work our midst? It's not my department, but I

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would be astonished. We can be proud of one of the best leagues in the

:26:46.:26:51.

world. People want to come to the UK because of what happens here. Play

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this game, but don't use it as a guidance to what EU legislation is

:26:56.:26:59.

all about. We need good players to be able to come here and make sure

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we retain that position of having the best Premier League in the

:27:04.:27:07.

world. Do you think your players will be interested? By the reaction

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we have had since we announced it, I think so. Sometimes people don't

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realise how engage the public are. I think we got an indication from the

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referendum result. Absolutely. The scenario is in the game. The

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scenario is in the game of being able to get them. Thank you. Maybe

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if we had to have more home-grown talent we might have a national team

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worth its salt. I don't care about football, but I thought I'd throw

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that out. I thought you were an expert.

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There's just time to put you out of your misery and give

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I forget what the giveaway was. It was Maggie Thatcher at the window.

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With Norman Tebbit. Got you. Rachel, press that red button. You've no

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idea what will happen. It's not true. You do know. Well done,

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George. You have won that. I didn't realise it was 1987. Thank you,

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Miles, for coming in. We will see how your game goes down and which

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scenario is the most popular. Very educational. Manager of AFC

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Bournemouth. Some have been doing scenario planning for years.

:28:43.:28:43.

The One O'Clock News is starting over on BBC One now.

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Jo and I will be here at noon tomorrow with all the big political

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Jo Coburn and Andrew Neil present live coverage of Prime Minister's Questions. They are joined by Conservative foreign office minister Tobias Ellwood and shadow environment secretary Rachael Maskell to discuss child migrants arriving in the UK from Calais and airports expansion.

The Guess The Year competition closes at 12.30pm during the live broadcast of the programme.


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