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Hello, and welcome to the Daily Politics.

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Christmas cheer could be in short supply

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if you want to use a post office, train or plane this week.

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So, how serious are the latest round of strikes?

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And how should the Government respond?

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There's been a mass walk-out in the Stormont Assembly

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in Northern Ireland this morning, where First Minister

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Arlene Foster is facing a vote of no-confidence over

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I am the only candidate who has pledged to defeat Isis.

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We'll be talking about this unusual campaign to win election

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It's been a roller-coaster of a year.

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We'll look back at the pictures that have defined 2016,

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and ask what the year ahead could have in store.

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And with us for the whole of the show are the Conservative

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And, having failed in our bid for a Christmas Day special

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to replace a rerun of Dad's Army, this is the penultimate

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No need to answer, that's more of a rhetorical question.

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First today, let's talk about the wave of strikes

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hitting a range of services in the run-up to Christmas.

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Postal services, railways and airlines are all affected,

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which could add up to a miserable time for many members of the public

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and has sparked renewed calls for the Government to do more

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to curb the impact of strikes, following claims that at least some

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Around 3,000 staff at hundreds of Crown Post Offices,

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the larger branches usually located in high streets,

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are expected to strike today, tomorrow and on Saturday,

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in a dispute over jobs, pensions and branch closures.

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UK airports are also set to be hit by a 48-hour

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strike from December 23rd, with about 1,500 check-in staff,

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baggage handlers and cargo crew involved in a row over pay.

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In a separate dispute, some cabin crew at British Airways

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have also called strikes for Christmas Day and Boxing Day.

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Meanwhile, strikes continue on Southern Rail services today,

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with conductors from the RMT union beginning two days of walk-outs.

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So, how close are we to a Christmas of discontent?

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Well, the number of working days lost to workplace

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disputes is up this year, but industrial unrest is still very

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low by historical standards, and only a fraction of the levels

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The Conservatives have already introduced the Trade Union Act

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in May, delivering their manifesto pledge of strike ballots having

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to achieve a 50% turnout in order for industrial action to go ahead.

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Ministers also introduced a minimum threshold of at least 40% support

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for industrial action in "important public services" like health,

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But not all of the strikes taking place this month are covered by this

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Some Conservative MPs are calling on the Government to go further,

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and introduce stricter laws on strike action.

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And there were questions about whether some of the strikes

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were politically motivated, after a video emerged

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of one union leader, the RMT president Sean Hoyle,

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saying unions were seeking to "bring down the Tory Government"

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and "replace the capitalist system with a socialist order."

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Suella Fernandes, do you think these strikes are justified in the run-up

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to Christmas? Identity top I think the unions are holding a gun to the

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head of the management and, actually, the commuters and baby but

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you need to use our postal service. Hundreds of thousands of people are

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going to be affected severely by these strikes. My constituency in

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Fareham, I hear from communities every day who are suffering. They

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can't get to work, can't get home to see their families and are in the

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middle of this dispute which is now unfair and disproportionate. Do you

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agree with your colleague, David Lammy, Meg Hillier, chair of the

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Public Accounts Committee, who has suggested the unions need a bit of a

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wake-up call and the impact of the strike action could be shooting

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themselves in the foot? I do want to make a generalised statement about

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the unions because, actually, in each situation you've got something

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very different. With Southern Rail, frankly the government should have

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done something about the nightmare of a company now making huge profits

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but running a line terribly and obviously now in a very disagreeable

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situation and this stuff. BAE, it is about a deal struck in 2010 and what

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a percentage of those who are on the airlines, their terms and

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conditions, which are not fantastic by anyone's standard and the

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situation with Royal Mail, which is not really about the government, is

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an internal dispute. So are those strikes justified? I don't know the

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detail of the Royal Mail situation. What about the RMT or the athletic

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train drivers? Is it justifiable for them to be still on strike? -- Aslef

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train drivers. I am deeply frustrated with Southern Rail so, in

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a sense, the mess, I think, sits with the Government. It really

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should act. But what about the unions? The row is about who closes

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the doors! I understand a third of our rail franchise, the doors are

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closed by the driver. It feels like, obviously, an incidental dispute but

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it is serious to the terms and conditions of the conductors. And

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surely it is down to the company to have actually resolved this strike

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and the company that hasn't invested, Southern Rail, and hasn't

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actually got enough staff to cover these disputes, or even when there

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are no dispute, they don't have enough staff, it seems, to actually

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be on the trains. Do you think they don't bear any responsible to? The

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fact is that these strikes are... No jobs are going to be lost, no wages

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are going to be cut, there is no safety issue. The independent

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regulator has said there is no safety issue, despite what the

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unions say. Do you think the company has any responsibility? These

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strikes could end tomorrow if Aslef and the RMT called them off. That's

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where the fault lies. It is not the Government's fault. The whole

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responsible as he is politically motivated and unfair. So you don't

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think the committee has any responsibility? You may make the

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accusation that it is politically motivated. Isn't it politically

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motivated, though, David Lammy? We can listen to the RMT president Sean

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Hoyle and what he said about whether politics is involved.

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The great newspaper the Times, they did a spread the

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other week where they were talking about the left trying to bring the

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Government down and it had the National Shop Stewards

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Network, the RMT, other left-wing organisations,

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coordinating to bring the Government down.

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Any trade unionist with any sense wants to bring down this bloody

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working-class-hating Tory government.

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He couldn't have been clearer, could he? It is politically motivated, so

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says Sean Hoyle. Is he right? There is no surprise that the union of

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Crow has deep animosity towards a government that has pursued

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austerity. I don't think it is surprising that his agenda, of

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course, is to bring down the government. That's the position of

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the RMT. Is that fair on union members, to use that union to pursue

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an agenda to bring down the government... I don't think that's

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news. But is it right, is it fair that travellers on these trains are

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suffering because unions have gone on strike, motivated by the

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political agenda of the union leaders? I think you've got to

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distinguish between a stated RMT position, and the RMT is not

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affiliated to the Labour Party, so they've always been in a very

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strong, extreme position, and this dispute, and in the end, when Suella

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Fernandes says it has nothing to do with the government, this is a

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company that has made 100 million. Its profits have gone up by 27 and

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was the worst rail franchise country. It should be in the control

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of the mayor, Sadiq Khan wants it and we find out the Chris Grayling

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doesn't want to do it because he is a Labour mayor so what is the

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Government doing about this franchise which is out of control

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and causing huge chaos to the south and to London? Think of our GDP and

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how it is affected. The fact is, there is no reasonable basis for

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this strike action. Unions say that is not the case. They say there are

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safety issues. And we see what their motivation is, to bring down the

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government. Has Southern Rail been a successful franchise? Southern Rail

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has... There have been a lot of problems with cancellations, delays

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and poor service, absolutely, and this is a dispute between unions and

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the management. The Government can take action but that takes a long

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time. We need action now and the way it can stop now is if the unions

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call off the strike and if Labour condemns this action. It is

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unsurprising that Aslef pays ?100,000 to the Labour Party and yet

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Jeremy Corbyn will not come out and criticises an acceptable strike

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action. What did you think of the letter Chris Grayling wrote a Boris

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Johnson to say that he wouldn't be happy, in 2013, for the suburban

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rail lines to be given to a Labour mayor, but it was politically

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motivated, to use your words? Ideology became involved over a

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decision over who should run the suburban rail lines. This is a

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dispute between the company and the management and the unions and the

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Government has assisted to try and ensure negotiation. As far as I

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know, those talks are not taking place today and yet industrial

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action is proposed. What about Suella Fernandes's point that you

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could condemn the strike and of Jeremy Corbyn came out and condemn

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the strike action, particularly on Southern Rail, that would actually

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help bring it to" book she didn't answer your question. You're not

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answering my now. It is crystal clear in the letter, she didn't

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answer it. In relation to the strike itself, there is a genuine dispute

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about who should shut the doors when you accept that two thirds of our

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train doors are shut by conductors. The bottom line is, this franchise

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is failing and the Government have failed to act. People are suffering

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and the Government has failed to act, so it's not just a situation

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between management and the union. Let's talk about some of the

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suggestions about what might be done because Chris Grayling said he

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wasn't ruling anything in or out and the Conservative MP Chris Gayle has

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suggested new laws to make strikes reasonable and proportionate, things

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like maintaining a 50 cents level of service when strikes take place in

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public infrastructure and making it mandatory to attend mediation talks

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at Acas when a strike is ongoing. Would you support that? I did the

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Government can take action and it takes a long time to get act of

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Parliament through the Lords and we need action now. We need to look at

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lots of options. We need to consider what is right. The trade unions act,

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which has gone through the last parliament, was very effective in

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trying to limit some of the powers of the unions. Southern Rail passed

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the threshold that was required so would you like to go further? I

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think what needs to happen is that the unions take responsibility and I

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accept that the effect of their actions is unfair, disproportionate

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and unacceptable. And you want to repeal the trade union act. You

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would make it even easier to strike. Strikes are down compared to the

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1970s and 1980s. That was a long time ago and they were not good

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decades.. Why are we wasting time taking bill through parliament on

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trade unions when, relative to where we were in the 1970s, nothing like

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the scale of strikes. It is much harder to strike in Britain. Yes,

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we've got problems and disputes but that will always happen between

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those who run public franchises and those who work for them. That is

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part of the grist. We shouldn't just dismiss strikes as politically

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motivated when there are genuine issues between terms that could

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change within companies and that is certainly the case with BA. We will

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leave it there. We are going to go to Stormont and

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told our correspondent because there has been a walk-out in the Northern

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Ireland assembly and let's try and get some of the background and talk

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to Mark Devonport. What actually happened? Arlene Foster, the First

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Minister, has been able to make a statement but that was after other

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members of the Assembly walked out. We've had a lot of drama here at

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Stormont. The background to this is this renewable heat scandal, which

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is set to potentially cost the Northern Ireland taxpayer ?400

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million over the next 20 years. The reason our First Minister Arlene

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Foster has been in the firing line is that she was the Minister in the

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department responsible for this scheme when it was introduced in

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November 20 12th. There has been growing concern, both in the media

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focus on this and public attention, about this. It has come to a head

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here today and she went ahead and made a statement setting out her

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version of events but the reason that was controversial is that we

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have a very particular kind of power-sharing here, whereby she is

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meant to act in no way, shape or form without the approval and

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authority of the Deputy First Minister, Martin McGuinness, and he

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didn't want her to go ahead with that statement and thinks something

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more of the nature of a judicial inquiry is required and that's why

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there was a walk-out. What about her standing as First Minister?

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Obviously, there were calls for a vote of no-confidence in Arlene

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Foster. What has this to her leadership? I think politically, she

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is undoubtedly damage, as is the stability of the Stormont Coalition

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but she can still stay on because under the Stormont rules, to have

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her excluded from office, and that is what opposition politicians were

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asking for, you need a majority of both nationalists and unionists and

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on her own, Arlene Foster can still command a majority of unionists. She

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has enough members of the legislative assembly in the DUP to

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stave off any attempt so any kind of motion that will be heard this

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afternoon will have a symbolic impact, rather than a practical one,

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but it is a seriously damaging impact on the Stormont power-sharing

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Coalition. Thank you very much. Now to the latest part in our series

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looking at the issues faced by key Government departments

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in the run-up to Brexit. We've already covered

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the Home Office, the turned our attention to another

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department that was created It's the Department For Business,

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Energy And Industrial Strategy. The Business Secretary's top protein

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will be to ensure British firms benefit from free trade deals and

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continued access to the single market after Brexit. His recent

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glitter to Nissan provided enough reassurance to the Japanese giant to

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not just maintain but expand UK production. What other sectors will

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require similar guarantees? A central plank of the vote Leave

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campaign was Brexit would allow us to be rid of many EU regulations.

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Now ministers will have to decide which should go while maintaining

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access to export markets. This possibility for employment law rests

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with the business department. Will ministers looks to change rules

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governing time limits on working hours and rights for temporary

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workers? Will London remain an international arbitration centre?

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Some believe leaving the EU will provide an opportunity to amend

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English law emanating from the EU that could make the UK more

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attractive for international arbitration.

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The UK has led the way on reducing harmful emissions but will Brexit

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give the UK a chance to reset its policy? Potentially moving away from

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the complex EU carbon trading programme. The EU sets stringent

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targets for production of renewable energy across member states. Our

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climate change at goes even further so Brexit won't lead to a reversal

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but it will mean the UK won't be response both are cutting more if

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other countries in the EU failed to meet obligations.

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The EU requires member states to recycle 50% of household

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waste by 2020 whilst Scotland and Wales have similar targets set by

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their governments but England does not. Leaving the EU could give

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ministers leeway to be more lenient. These are some of the issues for the

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Government as we move ever closer to triggering article 50 on our x it

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from the EU by next March. And we're joined now

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by a former Business Secretary, the former Lib Dem MP,

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Vince Cable. No one knows what exactly was in the

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glitter to the Nissan but if you had been Business Secretary what would

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you have written? Or what Nissan wanted and the

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current minister wants, all the supply chains want, is an assurance

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they can remain within a customs union arrangement because that

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doesn't just exempt them from tablets but means they don't have

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the bureaucracy associated with the so-called rules of origin. Something

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like that must have been in the glitter.

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Does he have the power to do that, Greg Clark, when we know nothing has

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been ruled in or out in terms of negotiation?

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Nissan seems to have been persuaded. They are very smart operators. The

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argument going on in Government and even Doctor Fox the ultra among the

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Brexiteers, seem to accept a customs union arrangement is necessary. He

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has cited Turkey as a role model. Whether it can be done on a sectoral

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basis, we don't know. That is pretty top of the lift for Greg Clark.

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Is that what you have written or given more assurances?

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That isn't the only thing, but one of many.

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Quite a few key industries to depend on single market rules, we are

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talking about life sciences, pharmaceuticals, a key issue is a

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common testing standard which operates at European level.

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Things like that throughout our industries which are critical to

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retain. Will it be the first of many letters

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written to industries in different sectors?

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It looks as if the Government is going down that road, piecemeal

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guarantees for particular industries. I was told they have 95

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sectors they are working on. It begins to look unmanageable.

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We have no idea how the EU will react.

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They recognise most of our key export industries to depend on EU

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rules. Is that how you see it? To keep

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businesses in the UK is an assurance they will be in a customs union even

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though we weren't make the free trade deals the gun that has talked

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about? It is great news and a vote of

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confidence in the British economy Nissan has committed to maintaining

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their plants in Sunderland, 150,000 jobs staying here. Other businesses

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have made real commitments, defying the negative predictions.

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What was promised to them? I don't think promises, I am not

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party to those negotiations. It is really clear Theresa May has

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said she wants Britain to be a leader in free trade and we want a

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pro-market strategy. Greg Clark is in favour of making

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Britain competitive in terms of regulation, allowing more

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productivity and competition. We can only do that because we have

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an opportunity for Brexit. I don't think what Vince says is

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right. Both are not compatible.

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There is no way companies like Nissan will commit themselves to

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expanding their operations in the UK unless they are exempted from

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bureaucracy. That thinking is clear. The idea by

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leaving the EU we will have less regulation actually goes contrary to

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the way the arguments are going. One thing Britain will get out of

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leaving, it is a positive thing, it's to interrupt corporate

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takeovers and apply tougher rules in the public interest, something

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Theresa May wants to do, the Daily Mail is keen to do it. We need it

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for our science -based industries. This is more national controlled

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than less European. Let us look at red tape, you say you

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want to be free from EU regulation. Six months on you properly have a

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list. Which otherwise you would like to

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see the end? The import tariffs, not quite

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regulation. There are 2000 costing ?3 billion a year. That price gets

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taken on by the consumer. Products coming into the customs

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union from outside the EU which... Let us talk about regulations. The

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Leave campaign talked about the yards of EU regulation they wanted

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to get rid of, which would you like to get rid of?

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I am glad the ports directive will not go ahead, one example of an

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unhelpful, ill thought out directive which would have damaged our ports

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which the trade unions were against, which were anti-competitive.

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The reach chemicals directive which would have burdened our biochemical

:23:40.:23:45.

industries. But that has already been

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implemented. A damaging directive. Placing huge

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costs on that sector in this country.

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She is saying there will be some, they may be here but they will be

:24:00.:24:06.

dumped. It is interesting to see which will be.

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They are common standards for the chemical industry. If you get rid of

:24:10.:24:12.

common standards how do British chemical kind is toucher -- how do

:24:13.:24:21.

British chemical industries trade in Europe?

:24:22.:24:24.

We have a chance to decide what those regulations will be as opposed

:24:25.:24:29.

to being imposed. We can, our parliaments, our

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decision-makers, will have a say. We negotiated them, I was involved,

:24:37.:24:41.

we reached a common decision, that is how the EU functions.

:24:42.:24:46.

Do you agree, even if some regulations are dumped, others come

:24:47.:24:49.

in their place, at least the UK will have decided, we will have taken

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back control? Yesterday, Liam Fox refuse to fall

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at leaving the customs union. It is argued we have to leave the customs

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union and I suspect Nissan and other manufacturers will be out the door

:25:10.:25:13.

because they will be subject to tariffs.

:25:14.:25:16.

How would you do free trade deals if...

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I am not in the Government. They are making these rules up as we go

:25:23.:25:24.

along. What is the point of having a fancy

:25:25.:25:30.

trade department striking free trade deals if Liam Fox says we might be

:25:31.:25:34.

staying in the customs union? Why will Europe give us this pic and

:25:35.:25:41.

make steel? Let us let us listen to Liam Fox.

:25:42.:25:46.

There would be limitations on what we could do in terms

:25:47.:25:48.

of tariff setting, which would limit what kind of deals you would do.

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But we want to look at all the different things.

:25:52.:25:55.

I hear people talking about hard Brexit and soft Brexit

:25:56.:25:58.

as though it's a boiled egg we're talking about.

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So Turkey, for example, is in part of the customs union

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What we need to do before we make final decisions

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How do you interpret that? There will be people like David Lammy who

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say that was an indication we are not going to leave the customs union

:26:19.:26:23.

or we will opt back into certain sectors that might make it easier

:26:24.:26:27.

for agriculture or financial services. You are clear we are

:26:28.:26:31.

leaving the customs union. I would like us to gain all the

:26:32.:26:35.

benefits of the freedom to strike trade deals.

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I think Liam Fox is right, at this stage, there are lots of options. It

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is not a binary choice. Theresa May has been right in setting out the

:26:47.:26:50.

fact there are many options and we will have to consider what is best

:26:51.:26:53.

for Britain. Did he really say anything, Liam

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Fox? What did he really say?

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Nothing is what he said. He talked about it not being binary. The man

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who before Somerset we are striking out free trade deals, now talking

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about staying. They are making it up as they go along.

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44% of our exports are to the EU, we should be very worried.

:27:23.:27:26.

Let us return to regulation, and employment laws, we are bound by

:27:27.:27:30.

European standards. Should the Government rollback

:27:31.:27:34.

limits on working hours? It needs to be considered in the

:27:35.:27:39.

mix. We need to take into account the needs of our employees,

:27:40.:27:45.

businesses and industries. Different sectors have different needs for

:27:46.:27:48.

their workforce. That needs to be part of a

:27:49.:27:51.

discussion. Do you agree?

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We have spent five years looking at this. The working Time directive was

:27:58.:28:01.

a risk but Britain got an opt out. There are bits we have opted.

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Are we suggesting we suggesting we go back to junior hospital doctors

:28:07.:28:11.

having a 100 hour week? There is no appetite for that. The

:28:12.:28:17.

agency workers directive, there was unhappiness in business. They agreed

:28:18.:28:20.

a deal with the trade unions. They don't want to reopen that.

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There was little in employment law is considered so I must Britain has

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to get out. On climate change, the UK has been

:28:29.:28:36.

ahead of its European neighbours on cutting carbon emissions. There has

:28:37.:28:41.

been criticism of the effectiveness of the carbon trading programme.

:28:42.:28:45.

Does Brexit allow us something new? Britain led the way with the climate

:28:46.:28:50.

change act. The biggest cost on British business

:28:51.:28:56.

is the carbon price floor introduced by... It was not a European measure.

:28:57.:29:07.

Some say it doesn't work. So there is an opportunity for the

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UK to do something? The Government could change, it

:29:11.:29:17.

would be retrograde, would be to get rid of the radiation on coal-fired

:29:18.:29:21.

power stations. If the Government wanted to undo the 30 years of work

:29:22.:29:26.

and bring back coal instead of gas, that is one of their freedoms they

:29:27.:29:29.

could gain. Most of the measures are already

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British. Before we let you go, any plans in

:29:34.:29:38.

the New Year for a return to politics?

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I am working with my party already, I have helped in the by-election.

:29:44.:29:48.

I may well get involved. Standing? I am already the candidate

:29:49.:29:54.

in Twickenham. You may see me back as an MP.

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Thank you. According to one popular theory,

:29:57.:30:00.

voters around the world have this year rejected

:30:01.:30:03.

the so-called "liberal elite". It's a distrust of this group

:30:04.:30:05.

of affluent and powerful people that is said to be the driving force

:30:06.:30:07.

behind some of 2016's biggest electoral upsets,

:30:08.:30:10.

with the possible exception of Ore But our next guest, Ryan Shorthouse,

:30:11.:30:13.

director of the Conservative think-tank Bright Blue,

:30:14.:30:17.

says it's time for the liberal metropolitan elites

:30:18.:30:20.

like him to strike back. Here's the life lesson that

:30:21.:30:22.

I and countless others learned Work hard at school, go

:30:23.:30:39.

to university and chase your dream But when you successfully do

:30:40.:30:43.

all of this, you get lambasted for being a member

:30:44.:30:50.

of the liberal metropolitan elite. And being against the elite,

:30:51.:30:53.

specifically the liberal metropolitan elite, is now such

:30:54.:30:55.

a common and winning narrative The left have prodded at this,

:30:56.:30:57.

arguing that only an elite have prospered from years,

:30:58.:31:05.

decades, of neoliberal orthodoxy. This is not true on a whole host

:31:06.:31:10.

of things - education, Most people's lives have got better

:31:11.:31:16.

and most people, apart from those who are still struggling,

:31:17.:31:20.

are generally happy. But, surprisingly, those

:31:21.:31:24.

on the right have indulged in this nonsense, too,

:31:25.:31:27.

arguing that a disconnected and decadent elite have imposed

:31:28.:31:30.

social liberalism and political But this idea of an elite

:31:31.:31:34.

versus the people is a Marxist myth. It's simply not true

:31:35.:31:51.

that society has become an elite and people,

:31:52.:31:53.

both with united Every day in the newspapers,

:31:54.:31:55.

for example, politicians And denouncing the existence

:31:56.:32:03.

of an elite is indulging in class If a member of an elite has acquired

:32:04.:32:10.

their position undeservedly, If someone in the elite behaves

:32:11.:32:16.

irresponsibly or anti-socially, But just being a member

:32:17.:32:21.

of the elite is not something These are people who excel

:32:22.:32:28.

in a particular field. The right should want more

:32:29.:32:34.

people to join the elite, You know, we shouldn't sneer

:32:35.:32:36.

at or stereotype anybody and that includes people who live in cities

:32:37.:32:43.

and have done well in life. What's wrong with a popular revolt,

:32:44.:33:01.

a revolt against the status quo? People will be taking back control

:33:02.:33:05.

of their lives. Well, I know this might not make me that popular...

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Don't worry about that! The anti-elite story has been so

:33:13.:33:16.

dominant and winning this year in western politics that I think we

:33:17.:33:19.

need to expose it for what it is. It is quite ugly. We shouldn't blame

:33:20.:33:22.

complexes were problems on any particular social group -

:33:23.:33:26.

immigrants, the white working class and the liberal metropolitan elite.

:33:27.:33:31.

It's the stuff of angry, ugly tribalism. The second thing to say

:33:32.:33:35.

is, it is just that there is a kind of elite behind the scenes pulling

:33:36.:33:40.

all these strings, imposing a dystopia on everybody. Every day in

:33:41.:33:44.

the newspapers, we see businesses against government, government

:33:45.:33:47.

against businesses. For example, government is trying to introduce a

:33:48.:33:51.

higher minimum wage and an apprenticeship love. This doesn't

:33:52.:33:54.

sound like an Ely all in it together imposing their agenda on everybody.

:33:55.:34:01.

Let me put that if Suella Fernandes. This rather ugly, if it is a revolt

:34:02.:34:04.

against the status quo and blaming immigrants or blaming your

:34:05.:34:08.

neighbours or blaming the liberal metropolitan elite, it's an angry

:34:09.:34:12.

reaction and is not actually true. I think representing a constituency

:34:13.:34:19.

which is outside metropolitan elite area, speaking to my constituents on

:34:20.:34:23.

a daily basis, their concerns are about the impact of uncontrolled

:34:24.:34:33.

immigration on wages, jobs and services and I think, for them, they

:34:34.:34:36.

need a voice for that and I feel that sometimes members of this

:34:37.:34:42.

elite, this metropolitan group, do not take those concerns enough and

:34:43.:34:47.

there is a disconnect between some of the voices that we hear and

:34:48.:34:51.

actually people who are voting with their feet on the ground. Are you

:34:52.:34:55.

standing up for the liberal metropolitan elite, David Lammy? The

:34:56.:34:59.

liberal metropolitan elite, if it exists, is a long way from

:35:00.:35:05.

Tottenham, where average incomes are about ?20,000, where you certainly

:35:06.:35:10.

can't buy a house in a regular job. In fact, you probably can't even do

:35:11.:35:13.

that if you're a junior consultant in London. So, in a sense, I'm with

:35:14.:35:19.

you, I don't like the tribalism, but I do think that the Westminster

:35:20.:35:23.

village and successive governments - this runs across knowledgeable

:35:24.:35:27.

parties - are detached from quite significant sections of the

:35:28.:35:31.

population and that's not a north/ south thing because I represent that

:35:32.:35:36.

-- recognise that representing Tottenham, but there is a detachment

:35:37.:35:39.

where the concerns of many people have not been addressed. Is it the

:35:40.:35:44.

fault, though, of what we call the liberal metropolitan elite? Ryan

:35:45.:35:46.

says in his film but just because people have been successful, they

:35:47.:35:49.

may live in a city, may have acquired wealth and a certain

:35:50.:35:55.

status, is it their fault that your constituents and Suella Fernandes's

:35:56.:35:58.

constituents are feeling this disconnect? We got to examine the

:35:59.:36:01.

liberal in that. There liberal games but we got on 20th century in terms

:36:02.:36:06.

of rights that I would welcome but we've had a liberal laissez faire

:36:07.:36:09.

economy in which many people have got rich but the majority have not,

:36:10.:36:14.

wages have stagnated and you can't get on in life and access the good

:36:15.:36:18.

life. I hold your party responsible for a lot of that but that's the

:36:19.:36:23.

consensus that shut people out. Do you accept that, that actually it is

:36:24.:36:27.

liberalism's fault? Some of the problems constituents are suffering

:36:28.:36:31.

from today or complaining about is the result of liberalism, but it has

:36:32.:36:35.

been foisted on them to some extent, being told what to believe and what

:36:36.:36:39.

to think, particularly with the issue of immigration, that it is

:36:40.:36:42.

always a good thing, and not everyone agrees with that? Actually,

:36:43.:36:48.

the elite, which is the Government, technically, which has been in power

:36:49.:36:52.

since 2010, has wanted to control immigration so it's untrue that

:36:53.:36:55.

we've had uncontrolled migration. The Government have sought ways to

:36:56.:37:00.

reduce it. But they've failed. They have failed to meet the target it up

:37:01.:37:03.

I think that target is indiscriminate and not the best way

:37:04.:37:07.

to control migration but you look at polling. Most Londoners, for

:37:08.:37:11.

example, most people in the higher social groups, one some form of

:37:12.:37:15.

control of migration. So it's not true that Londoners think very

:37:16.:37:17.

differently from the rest of the country. That's a myth. On your

:37:18.:37:23.

point about liberalism, I agree that people have certainly been left out,

:37:24.:37:26.

there is a minority of people who feel left behind, and that requires

:37:27.:37:30.

clever policy-making. I don't get the fault of liberalism. Over the

:37:31.:37:35.

past few decades, on most indicators - education levels, health

:37:36.:37:38.

standards, living standards - the majority of people in this country

:37:39.:37:41.

have got better and someone will probably tell me I am out of touch

:37:42.:37:45.

and don't understand how everyone else is living, but I can't talk to

:37:46.:37:49.

everybody, but the Office for National Statistics does an annual

:37:50.:37:51.

survey and asks how satisfied people are with their lives and most people

:37:52.:37:55.

are generally or fairly satisfied. I want to take you to MPs and you've

:37:56.:38:00.

got different constituencies but you are privately educated barrister, a

:38:01.:38:04.

graduate of Harvard who became a London MP, you went to a private

:38:05.:38:10.

girls' schooling pinna, where I was brought up, you may not be

:38:11.:38:18.

metropolitan or liberal but you are part of the elite, aren't you? I did

:38:19.:38:22.

not go to state school. I went to a very, very good state school. I've

:38:23.:38:27.

been to Harvard law school. Of course I am part of an elite group.

:38:28.:38:31.

My income puts me in part of an elite group but believe me, from the

:38:32.:38:34.

working class background I've got, I've got many family members who

:38:35.:38:37.

have not benefited in the way I have. What about you? This is about

:38:38.:38:42.

aspiration. I come from a working-class background in Wembley,

:38:43.:38:45.

where my father was unemployed for many years and we've had to struggle

:38:46.:38:49.

as a family. But I'm a Conservative because I believe it is about rising

:38:50.:38:53.

up the ladder of opportunity and true meritocracy, through hard work

:38:54.:38:56.

and endeavour, it doesn't matter where you come from, the

:38:57.:39:00.

Conservative Party values enable people to start where ever they are

:39:01.:39:05.

and to realise their potential. You will both be sticking up for the

:39:06.:39:10.

liberal metropolitan elite, then? I'm with you on immigration but I

:39:11.:39:14.

think that probably there are some liberal, particularly the economic

:39:15.:39:18.

liberal, arguments that are problematic to huge swathes of the

:39:19.:39:22.

country. We have to end it there but thank you very much.

:39:23.:39:27.

Now, even politics usually stops for Christmas.

:39:28.:39:28.

And it's nearly time for the Parliament and even

:39:29.:39:31.

the Daily Politics to pack up for a week or so.

:39:32.:39:33.

But let's have a quick look at what's happening in the last few

:39:34.:39:36.

Theresa May will deliver a statement to the commons this afternoon

:39:37.:39:40.

to tell MPs about her trip to Brussels for last week's meeting

:39:41.:39:43.

Tomorrow, the Prime Minister gives evidence to the Liaison Committee -

:39:44.:39:47.

that's the super-committee made up of the heads of all the main

:39:48.:39:49.

care and, of course, Brexit.

:39:50.:39:56.

Tuesday sees the last Daily Politics of the year.

:39:57.:39:58.

And the Commons also rises for the Christmas break.

:39:59.:40:02.

Peers linger on until Wednesday, when you can also see the final

:40:03.:40:08.

ministerial outing for Lord Freud, who is stepping down as an unpaid

:40:09.:40:11.

Work And Pensions Minister after more than six years.

:40:12.:40:18.

Friday sees the release of the Christmas singles

:40:19.:40:20.

Will the cover of You Can't Always Get What You Want,

:40:21.:40:23.

recorded in memory of murdered MP Jo Cox, get to number one?

:40:24.:40:26.

And on Saturday, Theresa May will release her first Christmas

:40:27.:40:28.

We're joined now by Kate Devlin from the Herald.

:40:29.:40:32.

And Christopher Hope from the Telegraph.

:40:33.:40:33.

They are probably demob happy! Crist of hope, what do you think the

:40:34.:40:43.

challenge will be for Theresa May in the New Year? One word, Brexit. It

:40:44.:40:46.

all starts really the second or third week of January when the

:40:47.:40:50.

government will probably lose its appeal in the High Court in the

:40:51.:40:54.

Supreme Court and then it is a race against the clock to try to get this

:40:55.:40:57.

vote through the Commons and Lords to trigger Article 50. Then we are

:40:58.:41:03.

almost straight into this great repeal bill, which will be the bill

:41:04.:41:08.

of all bills, the mother or legislation, looking at repealing or

:41:09.:41:14.

shifting EU law for Europe into this country, about 40% of all laws are

:41:15.:41:19.

made in Europe and that will all have to get into one massive bill

:41:20.:41:22.

about a foot deep. It will be an epic. You sound like you are looking

:41:23.:41:27.

forward to it! What about Jeremy Corbyn? The polls of Babe grim

:41:28.:41:31.

reading recently for the Labour Party, 17 or so points behind the

:41:32.:41:35.

Tories, although an opinion poll today seems to but that gap at the

:41:36.:41:38.

close at about seven points. What does he have to do? It is quite

:41:39.:41:43.

strange to Jeremy Corbyn. In some ways he has backed himself into a

:41:44.:41:47.

corner. One thing he probably does have to do is rely on strife with

:41:48.:41:52.

his own backbenches because that is currently what Corbyn and his

:41:53.:41:55.

supporters are claiming is the reason for these opinion polls being

:41:56.:42:02.

so bad and were that to fall away without a rise in the opinion polls,

:42:03.:42:06.

I think a lot of serious questions would be asked. He's also got quite

:42:07.:42:11.

serious elections, local council elections, coming up next summer and

:42:12.:42:14.

he probably needs to do a little bit better in those than he did last

:42:15.:42:19.

year. That said, to his detractors, he didn't do as badly as was

:42:20.:42:24.

expected last year. If the opposition isn't posing a huge

:42:25.:42:28.

threat to Theresa May at the moment, that is what they feel certainly in

:42:29.:42:32.

Conservative headquarters, is the threat going to come from within the

:42:33.:42:37.

Tory party? Almost certainly, yes. You've seen George Osborne doing

:42:38.:42:41.

very well on the Andrew Marr programme yesterday, Nicky Morgan

:42:42.:42:44.

and other big beasts on the Tory backbenchers will start to sharpen

:42:45.:42:46.

their clause once this whole issue of Brexit starts to get in the House

:42:47.:42:50.

of Commons and they've got a mandate to start talking about it. I imagine

:42:51.:42:55.

these guys in the Commons will support triggering Article 50 by the

:42:56.:42:58.

end of March but the real battle starts in the summer, when you can

:42:59.:43:02.

amend this huge bill, this great reform bill, great repeal bill,

:43:03.:43:06.

however you put it. I totally agree with Kate, Jeremy Corbyn has become

:43:07.:43:14.

irrelevant -- has to become relevant but that will take a few years and

:43:15.:43:18.

in the meantime, the Tory backbenchers will flex their

:43:19.:43:21.

muscles. What about the relaunch the Jeremy Corbyn in the New Year? When

:43:22.:43:25.

everyone talks about a relaunch, you think they are in trouble. Very

:43:26.:43:29.

true, and it's not usually a good thing to have said about someone,

:43:30.:43:32.

especially when you consider what the relaunch are supposed to be

:43:33.:43:35.

about, it is supposed to be about tapping into an idea of

:43:36.:43:39.

authenticity, anti-politics, which has been incredibly popular this

:43:40.:43:45.

year. We've seen it in a lot of popular campaigns. I would suggest

:43:46.:43:48.

it is probably a fake authenticity, certainly from the likes of Donald

:43:49.:43:52.

Trump presenting himself as a man of the people when he's a billionaire

:43:53.:43:58.

businessman. And of course when you are going for authentic, relaunch is

:43:59.:44:02.

kind of the kiss of death. Let's look back. Christopher hope, give me

:44:03.:44:08.

your thoughts on -- 2016. I think it is the year of the peasants' revolt

:44:09.:44:14.

it up if you think about 1381 when what Tyler marched on the capital,

:44:15.:44:18.

it is basically that, the voters were told not to vote for Brexit by

:44:19.:44:24.

politicians, most politicians, most ecologists, all the boss is big

:44:25.:44:28.

companies, celebrities, everyone said, don't do it, and the people of

:44:29.:44:31.

Britain gave a massive up yours to the establishment. I think it is

:44:32.:44:35.

rather a moving moment, the fact that people felt they could say, no,

:44:36.:44:41.

you are the servants of the people, you do what we say, we are going to

:44:42.:44:45.

leave the EU. I think it's been an amazing year, which I will never

:44:46.:44:49.

forget. I don't think anyone will ever forget it. What about your view

:44:50.:44:54.

of 2016, Kate? I agree with Chris, it is a year in which everything has

:44:55.:44:57.

been dominated by politics. I was very excited at the start of the

:44:58.:45:00.

summer when Northern Ireland qualified for euros for the first

:45:01.:45:04.

time in my living memory. Of course, a couple of weeks later we were put

:45:05.:45:11.

out by Wales, two days after the referendum, leading to the joke at

:45:12.:45:15.

home that Wales had but Northern Ireland out of Europe twice in one

:45:16.:45:17.

weekend. The Christmas break! Now, we've already talked about some

:45:18.:45:20.

of the year's biggest elections, that's the EU referendum and the US

:45:21.:45:23.

presidential vote, But now, we're going to talk about

:45:24.:45:25.

one you might just have missed. And that's the elections

:45:26.:45:29.

for this year's delegates to One candidate from Durham University

:45:30.:45:31.

swept to victory with this rather unusual pitch to his

:45:32.:45:35.

fellow students. I'm running to be an NUS delegate

:45:36.:45:37.

at this year's conference. Here are the pledges I'm

:45:38.:45:41.

going to deliver for you. I pledge to construct

:45:42.:45:45.

a giant statue. A giant statue of NUS

:45:46.:45:48.

president Malia Bouattia so that students in Durham can see

:45:49.:45:51.

how vitally important I pledge to cut back

:45:52.:45:53.

the foliage so that our beautiful students' union building

:45:54.:46:02.

is even more visible. I pledge to make sweeping

:46:03.:46:09.

sw-sw-sweeping agrarian reform - a national priority.

:46:10.:46:11.

Vote for to me to take out the rubbish.

:46:12.:46:13.

I am the only candidates who has pledged to defeat Isis.

:46:14.:46:19.

But, seriously, if you vote for me, I will vote against all irrelevant

:46:20.:46:33.

grandstanding, self-aggrandising, self-defeating NUS policies that

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only serve to discredit students as a whole.

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And Tom Harwood, who won election as a delegate to the NUS conference

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thanks in part to that campaign video, joins us now.

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Congratulations. You are trying to poke fun at the state of student

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politics, what are your issues? The NUS doesn't represent students

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anymore. It is run by a narrow group of

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people who come from a narrower spectrum of opinion who are not

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representing the issues that matter to students.

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You are trying to undermine the NUS? They do a good job themselves, with

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their banning of newspapers on campuses, with their boycotting of

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Coca-Cola because they have factories in Israel. The issues

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which have nothing to do with the lives of students.

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Students must have supported some of those issues?

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That is a good point, the NUS sees itself as a legislator. Most

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students see it as irrelevant, only 4% bothered to turn out. At Durham

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we had delegates who have had identical opinions for years. As

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soon as I ran my campaign, turnout was up 200%. People who are offered

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a change go for it. Students have always campaigned on

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global issues whether or not they could affect change. That is what

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being a student in student politics is about. Many heads of the NUS have

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gone on to be politicians. What is wrong with that?

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Nothing is wrong with campaigning on global issues but you need to pick

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the avenue to do it. Don't present -- Don't pretend to

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represent all students. What are you going to do, put your

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money where your mouth is and go along to conference with this?

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Absolutely. I said as long as we are in the NUS I will work hard to make

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it slightly less terrible. My weight is pushing forward

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democratic reforms, hopefully one member one vote through.

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The current resident has faced accusations of anti-Semitism and has

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said some distasteful things, calling the University of Birmingham

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a Zionist outpost for example. I hope to get more representative

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people. What you think of his view of the

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NUS? I am reluctant to get dragged into

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student politics at seven -- Except to say I am with you in part.

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I wasn't hugely involved in student politics at university. I found a

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certain group of people would hijack a cause, political careerists in

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their own party. I recognised that. Some of the anti-Semitism that has

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gone on particularly I think is very worrying.

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Do you support what Tom is trying to do.

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I know there are some real issues around the cost of student housing.

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That is something you would hope to see the NUS is taking up much

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louder. It has campaigned on expensive

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housing. The NUS is undermined on legitimate

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issues when it uses covers as a platform to call for bringing down

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the Government as every single president seems to do.

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Sometimes perhaps they should focus on presenting a broader spectrum of

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student opinion. Sadly, the NUS has lost credibility

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and legitimacy because of a Kabbalah of people who do not represent the

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body of students and have given it a bad name.

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I was involved in student politics and saw it as a great opportunity to

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learn more. It was an opportunity, it was fun,

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we campaigned, helped in elections. Do you have any support?

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Nationally? I won a landslide victory at Durham.

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Generally there was a 300% increase in turnout but it was only 10%. I am

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trying to highlight this. Up and down the country more people

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are emulating campaigns like this. We might see a good batch of

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antiestablishment delegates at the conference in April.

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Thank you. Now, are you getting a bit tired

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of hearing news programmes talking Because, at about this

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time every December, that have defined the year,

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as seen through the lens of the chief political photographer

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of the Press Association. And he's had plenty

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to keep him snapping. Welcome. What is your image of the

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year? It is a hard one. A picture at the

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beginning of the campaign in April. David Cameron, Paddy Ashdown and

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Neil Kinnock, in a phone bank, making calls, campaigning. It was so

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early, I think David Cameron thought... I don't think it was a

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problem for him. Everyone is quite relaxed. It was a good campaigning

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picture, a lot of fun. It changed as the campaign went on.

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I don't think we would have seen that later closer to June the 23rd.

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They all looked as if they were having fun representing the

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different parties. Physical photographers are

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effectively flies on the wall. You said it did get more uptight as the

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months passed. On the subject of the campaigns,

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with the results, talk us through one of the pictures you took the

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morning after? First of all, 4am, I was with Nigel

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Farage. I soon realised I needed to move and find out where Nigel Farage

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was, and at four Rayaheen was declaring the result himself. He

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came out punching the air, a very strong picture of him.

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He looks pleased. He took no encouragement to do that.

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He had been making his victory speech since 3:30am.

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How things change. We did that. Suddenly a couple of hours later the

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Prime Minister announced he would resign.

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An hour later, the press conference with Boris Johnson and Michael Gove.

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It was difficult to know where to be. Do I find where David Cameron

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is? Boris? The results caught us by surprise. Where do I need to be now?

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A busy morning. How would you describe the atmosphere? Where were

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you on the night when the result came through?

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I was in my constituency for the vote. The vote came through at 3am.

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It became clear my considers the voted to leave the EU. I was with my

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campaign is, I drove to London in the early hours and went to the Vote

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Leave headquarters. Another big story, the reaction of

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Jeremy Corbyn for a second time. How did that compared to last year?

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I thought it would be the same but it wasn't. Last year, a huge

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fanfare, a big deal, in central London. Lots of triumphalism. It

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ended up with a rally in a pub around the corner.

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This year, it was over in 15 minutes, Saturday morning. The

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announcement would be at 12 noon. All done very quickly. They wanted

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to get it out of the way before conference.

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What about your recollection of the second?

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I didn't engage. I found the biggest story of the year was Brexit. At the

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time I felt very low that the Labour Party were caught up in this. I

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didn't engage. I had engaged big-time in Brexit.

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For me, the photo has to be of Michael Gove and Boris Johnson, who

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should be celebrating, but are standing there like schoolboys who

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have wrecked the room, looking really sombre and depressed at what

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they have created. That is what struck me, at that news

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conference, thinking they would come on with a certain amount of

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smugness. They walked on ashen faced. The whole 20 minute press

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conference, the same mood throughout. This was odd. They were

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in shock. Some said they were thinking, what have we done? I don't

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think that was the case. I think the result may have caught them by

:57:44.:57:47.

surprise. An hour before David Cameron had announced he had

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resigned. Maybe that had shocked them. They did not want to appear

:57:52.:57:56.

victorious having lost their leader. Shock was the word for many during

:57:57.:58:01.

these events. We can show you the Changing of the

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Guard at number ten. You had a classic photo of David

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Cameron and his departure. Here he is announcing he is going.

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We had seen him come out with his resignation speech on the 24th of

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June. This is the moment he left. The same day we knew Theresa May

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would walk in. He/she is going in.

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I did that picture an hour after photographing David Cameron.

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I photographed him from the side because I realised his close

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advisers were close to tears. I focused on them.

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All the time I was concerned about getting inside number ten. I knew

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she would be front page next day. Thank youth are taking us through

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those key moments. And to our guests.

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The One O'Clock News is starting over on BBC One now.

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I'll be here at noon tomorrow for the last

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Hello, I'm Charlie Brooker. Please join me for 2016 Wipe,

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looking back at a year containing nothing but hard Brexit,

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