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Hello, and welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:39. | :00:40. | |
Christmas cheer could be in short supply | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
if you want to use a post office, train or plane this week. | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
So, how serious are the latest round of strikes? | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
And how should the Government respond? | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
There's been a mass walk-out in the Stormont Assembly | :00:53. | :00:54. | |
in Northern Ireland this morning, where First Minister | :00:55. | :00:56. | |
Arlene Foster is facing a vote of no-confidence over | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
I am the only candidate who has pledged to defeat Isis. | :01:00. | :01:12. | |
We'll be talking about this unusual campaign to win election | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
It's been a roller-coaster of a year. | :01:16. | :01:20. | |
We'll look back at the pictures that have defined 2016, | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
and ask what the year ahead could have in store. | :01:24. | :01:30. | |
And with us for the whole of the show are the Conservative | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
And, having failed in our bid for a Christmas Day special | :01:36. | :01:51. | |
to replace a rerun of Dad's Army, this is the penultimate | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
No need to answer, that's more of a rhetorical question. | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
First today, let's talk about the wave of strikes | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
hitting a range of services in the run-up to Christmas. | :02:02. | :02:03. | |
Postal services, railways and airlines are all affected, | :02:04. | :02:05. | |
which could add up to a miserable time for many members of the public | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
and has sparked renewed calls for the Government to do more | :02:11. | :02:20. | |
to curb the impact of strikes, following claims that at least some | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
Around 3,000 staff at hundreds of Crown Post Offices, | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
the larger branches usually located in high streets, | :02:27. | :02:28. | |
are expected to strike today, tomorrow and on Saturday, | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
in a dispute over jobs, pensions and branch closures. | :02:32. | :02:33. | |
UK airports are also set to be hit by a 48-hour | :02:34. | :02:35. | |
strike from December 23rd, with about 1,500 check-in staff, | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
baggage handlers and cargo crew involved in a row over pay. | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
In a separate dispute, some cabin crew at British Airways | :02:48. | :02:49. | |
have also called strikes for Christmas Day and Boxing Day. | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
Meanwhile, strikes continue on Southern Rail services today, | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
with conductors from the RMT union beginning two days of walk-outs. | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
So, how close are we to a Christmas of discontent? | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
Well, the number of working days lost to workplace | :03:10. | :03:11. | |
disputes is up this year, but industrial unrest is still very | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
low by historical standards, and only a fraction of the levels | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
The Conservatives have already introduced the Trade Union Act | :03:20. | :03:26. | |
in May, delivering their manifesto pledge of strike ballots having | :03:27. | :03:29. | |
to achieve a 50% turnout in order for industrial action to go ahead. | :03:30. | :03:32. | |
Ministers also introduced a minimum threshold of at least 40% support | :03:33. | :03:38. | |
for industrial action in "important public services" like health, | :03:39. | :03:45. | |
But not all of the strikes taking place this month are covered by this | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
Some Conservative MPs are calling on the Government to go further, | :03:51. | :03:57. | |
and introduce stricter laws on strike action. | :03:58. | :03:59. | |
And there were questions about whether some of the strikes | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
were politically motivated, after a video emerged | :04:04. | :04:05. | |
of one union leader, the RMT president Sean Hoyle, | :04:06. | :04:11. | |
saying unions were seeking to "bring down the Tory Government" | :04:12. | :04:14. | |
and "replace the capitalist system with a socialist order." | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
Suella Fernandes, do you think these strikes are justified in the run-up | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
to Christmas? Identity top I think the unions are holding a gun to the | :04:27. | :04:32. | |
head of the management and, actually, the commuters and baby but | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
you need to use our postal service. Hundreds of thousands of people are | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
going to be affected severely by these strikes. My constituency in | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
Fareham, I hear from communities every day who are suffering. They | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
can't get to work, can't get home to see their families and are in the | :04:50. | :04:52. | |
middle of this dispute which is now unfair and disproportionate. Do you | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
agree with your colleague, David Lammy, Meg Hillier, chair of the | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
Public Accounts Committee, who has suggested the unions need a bit of a | :05:01. | :05:03. | |
wake-up call and the impact of the strike action could be shooting | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
themselves in the foot? I do want to make a generalised statement about | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
the unions because, actually, in each situation you've got something | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
very different. With Southern Rail, frankly the government should have | :05:17. | :05:18. | |
done something about the nightmare of a company now making huge profits | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
but running a line terribly and obviously now in a very disagreeable | :05:24. | :05:30. | |
situation and this stuff. BAE, it is about a deal struck in 2010 and what | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
a percentage of those who are on the airlines, their terms and | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
conditions, which are not fantastic by anyone's standard and the | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
situation with Royal Mail, which is not really about the government, is | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
an internal dispute. So are those strikes justified? I don't know the | :05:47. | :05:52. | |
detail of the Royal Mail situation. What about the RMT or the athletic | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
train drivers? Is it justifiable for them to be still on strike? -- Aslef | :05:57. | :06:03. | |
train drivers. I am deeply frustrated with Southern Rail so, in | :06:04. | :06:09. | |
a sense, the mess, I think, sits with the Government. It really | :06:10. | :06:12. | |
should act. But what about the unions? The row is about who closes | :06:13. | :06:19. | |
the doors! I understand a third of our rail franchise, the doors are | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
closed by the driver. It feels like, obviously, an incidental dispute but | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
it is serious to the terms and conditions of the conductors. And | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
surely it is down to the company to have actually resolved this strike | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
and the company that hasn't invested, Southern Rail, and hasn't | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
actually got enough staff to cover these disputes, or even when there | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
are no dispute, they don't have enough staff, it seems, to actually | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
be on the trains. Do you think they don't bear any responsible to? The | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
fact is that these strikes are... No jobs are going to be lost, no wages | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
are going to be cut, there is no safety issue. The independent | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
regulator has said there is no safety issue, despite what the | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
unions say. Do you think the company has any responsibility? These | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
strikes could end tomorrow if Aslef and the RMT called them off. That's | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
where the fault lies. It is not the Government's fault. The whole | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
responsible as he is politically motivated and unfair. So you don't | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
think the committee has any responsibility? You may make the | :07:25. | :07:26. | |
accusation that it is politically motivated. Isn't it politically | :07:27. | :07:32. | |
motivated, though, David Lammy? We can listen to the RMT president Sean | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
Hoyle and what he said about whether politics is involved. | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
The great newspaper the Times, they did a spread the | :07:39. | :07:40. | |
other week where they were talking about the left trying to bring the | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
Government down and it had the National Shop Stewards | :07:44. | :07:45. | |
Network, the RMT, other left-wing organisations, | :07:46. | :07:47. | |
coordinating to bring the Government down. | :07:48. | :07:48. | |
Any trade unionist with any sense wants to bring down this bloody | :07:49. | :08:03. | |
working-class-hating Tory government. | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
He couldn't have been clearer, could he? It is politically motivated, so | :08:10. | :08:18. | |
says Sean Hoyle. Is he right? There is no surprise that the union of | :08:19. | :08:27. | |
Crow has deep animosity towards a government that has pursued | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
austerity. I don't think it is surprising that his agenda, of | :08:31. | :08:32. | |
course, is to bring down the government. That's the position of | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
the RMT. Is that fair on union members, to use that union to pursue | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
an agenda to bring down the government... I don't think that's | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
news. But is it right, is it fair that travellers on these trains are | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
suffering because unions have gone on strike, motivated by the | :08:52. | :08:53. | |
political agenda of the union leaders? I think you've got to | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
distinguish between a stated RMT position, and the RMT is not | :09:00. | :09:02. | |
affiliated to the Labour Party, so they've always been in a very | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
strong, extreme position, and this dispute, and in the end, when Suella | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
Fernandes says it has nothing to do with the government, this is a | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
company that has made 100 million. Its profits have gone up by 27 and | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
was the worst rail franchise country. It should be in the control | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
of the mayor, Sadiq Khan wants it and we find out the Chris Grayling | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
doesn't want to do it because he is a Labour mayor so what is the | :09:29. | :09:30. | |
Government doing about this franchise which is out of control | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
and causing huge chaos to the south and to London? Think of our GDP and | :09:35. | :09:40. | |
how it is affected. The fact is, there is no reasonable basis for | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
this strike action. Unions say that is not the case. They say there are | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
safety issues. And we see what their motivation is, to bring down the | :09:51. | :09:53. | |
government. Has Southern Rail been a successful franchise? Southern Rail | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
has... There have been a lot of problems with cancellations, delays | :10:00. | :10:02. | |
and poor service, absolutely, and this is a dispute between unions and | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
the management. The Government can take action but that takes a long | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
time. We need action now and the way it can stop now is if the unions | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
call off the strike and if Labour condemns this action. It is | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
unsurprising that Aslef pays ?100,000 to the Labour Party and yet | :10:20. | :10:22. | |
Jeremy Corbyn will not come out and criticises an acceptable strike | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
action. What did you think of the letter Chris Grayling wrote a Boris | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
Johnson to say that he wouldn't be happy, in 2013, for the suburban | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
rail lines to be given to a Labour mayor, but it was politically | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
motivated, to use your words? Ideology became involved over a | :10:39. | :10:40. | |
decision over who should run the suburban rail lines. This is a | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
dispute between the company and the management and the unions and the | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
Government has assisted to try and ensure negotiation. As far as I | :10:50. | :10:51. | |
know, those talks are not taking place today and yet industrial | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
action is proposed. What about Suella Fernandes's point that you | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
could condemn the strike and of Jeremy Corbyn came out and condemn | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
the strike action, particularly on Southern Rail, that would actually | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
help bring it to" book she didn't answer your question. You're not | :11:07. | :11:14. | |
answering my now. It is crystal clear in the letter, she didn't | :11:15. | :11:17. | |
answer it. In relation to the strike itself, there is a genuine dispute | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
about who should shut the doors when you accept that two thirds of our | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
train doors are shut by conductors. The bottom line is, this franchise | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
is failing and the Government have failed to act. People are suffering | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
and the Government has failed to act, so it's not just a situation | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
between management and the union. Let's talk about some of the | :11:38. | :11:40. | |
suggestions about what might be done because Chris Grayling said he | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
wasn't ruling anything in or out and the Conservative MP Chris Gayle has | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
suggested new laws to make strikes reasonable and proportionate, things | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
like maintaining a 50 cents level of service when strikes take place in | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
public infrastructure and making it mandatory to attend mediation talks | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
at Acas when a strike is ongoing. Would you support that? I did the | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
Government can take action and it takes a long time to get act of | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
Parliament through the Lords and we need action now. We need to look at | :12:09. | :12:14. | |
lots of options. We need to consider what is right. The trade unions act, | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
which has gone through the last parliament, was very effective in | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
trying to limit some of the powers of the unions. Southern Rail passed | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
the threshold that was required so would you like to go further? I | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
think what needs to happen is that the unions take responsibility and I | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
accept that the effect of their actions is unfair, disproportionate | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
and unacceptable. And you want to repeal the trade union act. You | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
would make it even easier to strike. Strikes are down compared to the | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
1970s and 1980s. That was a long time ago and they were not good | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
decades.. Why are we wasting time taking bill through parliament on | :12:54. | :12:56. | |
trade unions when, relative to where we were in the 1970s, nothing like | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
the scale of strikes. It is much harder to strike in Britain. Yes, | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
we've got problems and disputes but that will always happen between | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
those who run public franchises and those who work for them. That is | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
part of the grist. We shouldn't just dismiss strikes as politically | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
motivated when there are genuine issues between terms that could | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
change within companies and that is certainly the case with BA. We will | :13:23. | :13:25. | |
leave it there. We are going to go to Stormont and | :13:26. | :13:42. | |
told our correspondent because there has been a walk-out in the Northern | :13:43. | :13:45. | |
Ireland assembly and let's try and get some of the background and talk | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
to Mark Devonport. What actually happened? Arlene Foster, the First | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
Minister, has been able to make a statement but that was after other | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
members of the Assembly walked out. We've had a lot of drama here at | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
Stormont. The background to this is this renewable heat scandal, which | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
is set to potentially cost the Northern Ireland taxpayer ?400 | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
million over the next 20 years. The reason our First Minister Arlene | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
Foster has been in the firing line is that she was the Minister in the | :14:14. | :14:15. | |
department responsible for this scheme when it was introduced in | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
November 20 12th. There has been growing concern, both in the media | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
focus on this and public attention, about this. It has come to a head | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
here today and she went ahead and made a statement setting out her | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
version of events but the reason that was controversial is that we | :14:33. | :14:35. | |
have a very particular kind of power-sharing here, whereby she is | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
meant to act in no way, shape or form without the approval and | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
authority of the Deputy First Minister, Martin McGuinness, and he | :14:45. | :14:47. | |
didn't want her to go ahead with that statement and thinks something | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
more of the nature of a judicial inquiry is required and that's why | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
there was a walk-out. What about her standing as First Minister? | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
Obviously, there were calls for a vote of no-confidence in Arlene | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
Foster. What has this to her leadership? I think politically, she | :15:03. | :15:08. | |
is undoubtedly damage, as is the stability of the Stormont Coalition | :15:09. | :15:11. | |
but she can still stay on because under the Stormont rules, to have | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
her excluded from office, and that is what opposition politicians were | :15:16. | :15:18. | |
asking for, you need a majority of both nationalists and unionists and | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
on her own, Arlene Foster can still command a majority of unionists. She | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
has enough members of the legislative assembly in the DUP to | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
stave off any attempt so any kind of motion that will be heard this | :15:31. | :15:33. | |
afternoon will have a symbolic impact, rather than a practical one, | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
but it is a seriously damaging impact on the Stormont power-sharing | :15:39. | :15:39. | |
Coalition. Thank you very much. Now to the latest part in our series | :15:40. | :15:52. | |
looking at the issues faced by key Government departments | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
in the run-up to Brexit. We've already covered | :15:57. | :15:57. | |
the Home Office, the turned our attention to another | :15:58. | :15:59. | |
department that was created It's the Department For Business, | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
Energy And Industrial Strategy. The Business Secretary's top protein | :16:04. | :16:09. | |
will be to ensure British firms benefit from free trade deals and | :16:10. | :16:12. | |
continued access to the single market after Brexit. His recent | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
glitter to Nissan provided enough reassurance to the Japanese giant to | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
not just maintain but expand UK production. What other sectors will | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
require similar guarantees? A central plank of the vote Leave | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
campaign was Brexit would allow us to be rid of many EU regulations. | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
Now ministers will have to decide which should go while maintaining | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
access to export markets. This possibility for employment law rests | :16:41. | :16:49. | |
with the business department. Will ministers looks to change rules | :16:50. | :16:51. | |
governing time limits on working hours and rights for temporary | :16:52. | :16:57. | |
workers? Will London remain an international arbitration centre? | :16:58. | :16:59. | |
Some believe leaving the EU will provide an opportunity to amend | :17:00. | :17:03. | |
English law emanating from the EU that could make the UK more | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
attractive for international arbitration. | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
The UK has led the way on reducing harmful emissions but will Brexit | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
give the UK a chance to reset its policy? Potentially moving away from | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
the complex EU carbon trading programme. The EU sets stringent | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
targets for production of renewable energy across member states. Our | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
climate change at goes even further so Brexit won't lead to a reversal | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
but it will mean the UK won't be response both are cutting more if | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
other countries in the EU failed to meet obligations. | :17:41. | :17:41. | |
The EU requires member states to recycle 50% of household | :17:42. | :17:56. | |
waste by 2020 whilst Scotland and Wales have similar targets set by | :17:57. | :17:58. | |
their governments but England does not. Leaving the EU could give | :17:59. | :18:00. | |
ministers leeway to be more lenient. These are some of the issues for the | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
Government as we move ever closer to triggering article 50 on our x it | :18:06. | :18:07. | |
from the EU by next March. And we're joined now | :18:08. | :18:10. | |
by a former Business Secretary, the former Lib Dem MP, | :18:11. | :18:12. | |
Vince Cable. No one knows what exactly was in the | :18:13. | :18:22. | |
glitter to the Nissan but if you had been Business Secretary what would | :18:23. | :18:25. | |
you have written? Or what Nissan wanted and the | :18:26. | :18:28. | |
current minister wants, all the supply chains want, is an assurance | :18:29. | :18:35. | |
they can remain within a customs union arrangement because that | :18:36. | :18:38. | |
doesn't just exempt them from tablets but means they don't have | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
the bureaucracy associated with the so-called rules of origin. Something | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
like that must have been in the glitter. | :18:49. | :18:51. | |
Does he have the power to do that, Greg Clark, when we know nothing has | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
been ruled in or out in terms of negotiation? | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
Nissan seems to have been persuaded. They are very smart operators. The | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
argument going on in Government and even Doctor Fox the ultra among the | :19:06. | :19:13. | |
Brexiteers, seem to accept a customs union arrangement is necessary. He | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
has cited Turkey as a role model. Whether it can be done on a sectoral | :19:20. | :19:25. | |
basis, we don't know. That is pretty top of the lift for Greg Clark. | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
Is that what you have written or given more assurances? | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
That isn't the only thing, but one of many. | :19:35. | :19:37. | |
Quite a few key industries to depend on single market rules, we are | :19:38. | :19:44. | |
talking about life sciences, pharmaceuticals, a key issue is a | :19:45. | :19:48. | |
common testing standard which operates at European level. | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
Things like that throughout our industries which are critical to | :19:53. | :19:55. | |
retain. Will it be the first of many letters | :19:56. | :19:58. | |
written to industries in different sectors? | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
It looks as if the Government is going down that road, piecemeal | :20:03. | :20:06. | |
guarantees for particular industries. I was told they have 95 | :20:07. | :20:13. | |
sectors they are working on. It begins to look unmanageable. | :20:14. | :20:16. | |
We have no idea how the EU will react. | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
They recognise most of our key export industries to depend on EU | :20:23. | :20:31. | |
rules. Is that how you see it? To keep | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
businesses in the UK is an assurance they will be in a customs union even | :20:37. | :20:43. | |
though we weren't make the free trade deals the gun that has talked | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
about? It is great news and a vote of | :20:48. | :20:50. | |
confidence in the British economy Nissan has committed to maintaining | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
their plants in Sunderland, 150,000 jobs staying here. Other businesses | :20:57. | :21:00. | |
have made real commitments, defying the negative predictions. | :21:01. | :21:08. | |
What was promised to them? I don't think promises, I am not | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
party to those negotiations. It is really clear Theresa May has | :21:15. | :21:17. | |
said she wants Britain to be a leader in free trade and we want a | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
pro-market strategy. Greg Clark is in favour of making | :21:22. | :21:30. | |
Britain competitive in terms of regulation, allowing more | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
productivity and competition. We can only do that because we have | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
an opportunity for Brexit. I don't think what Vince says is | :21:38. | :21:46. | |
right. Both are not compatible. | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
There is no way companies like Nissan will commit themselves to | :21:52. | :21:55. | |
expanding their operations in the UK unless they are exempted from | :21:56. | :22:03. | |
bureaucracy. That thinking is clear. The idea by | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
leaving the EU we will have less regulation actually goes contrary to | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
the way the arguments are going. One thing Britain will get out of | :22:14. | :22:18. | |
leaving, it is a positive thing, it's to interrupt corporate | :22:19. | :22:25. | |
takeovers and apply tougher rules in the public interest, something | :22:26. | :22:28. | |
Theresa May wants to do, the Daily Mail is keen to do it. We need it | :22:29. | :22:34. | |
for our science -based industries. This is more national controlled | :22:35. | :22:37. | |
than less European. Let us look at red tape, you say you | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
want to be free from EU regulation. Six months on you properly have a | :22:44. | :22:46. | |
list. Which otherwise you would like to | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
see the end? The import tariffs, not quite | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
regulation. There are 2000 costing ?3 billion a year. That price gets | :22:55. | :23:03. | |
taken on by the consumer. Products coming into the customs | :23:04. | :23:11. | |
union from outside the EU which... Let us talk about regulations. The | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
Leave campaign talked about the yards of EU regulation they wanted | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
to get rid of, which would you like to get rid of? | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
I am glad the ports directive will not go ahead, one example of an | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
unhelpful, ill thought out directive which would have damaged our ports | :23:30. | :23:36. | |
which the trade unions were against, which were anti-competitive. | :23:37. | :23:39. | |
The reach chemicals directive which would have burdened our biochemical | :23:40. | :23:45. | |
industries. But that has already been | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
implemented. A damaging directive. Placing huge | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
costs on that sector in this country. | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
She is saying there will be some, they may be here but they will be | :24:00. | :24:06. | |
dumped. It is interesting to see which will be. | :24:07. | :24:09. | |
They are common standards for the chemical industry. If you get rid of | :24:10. | :24:12. | |
common standards how do British chemical kind is toucher -- how do | :24:13. | :24:21. | |
British chemical industries trade in Europe? | :24:22. | :24:24. | |
We have a chance to decide what those regulations will be as opposed | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
to being imposed. We can, our parliaments, our | :24:30. | :24:36. | |
decision-makers, will have a say. We negotiated them, I was involved, | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
we reached a common decision, that is how the EU functions. | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
Do you agree, even if some regulations are dumped, others come | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
in their place, at least the UK will have decided, we will have taken | :24:50. | :24:56. | |
back control? Yesterday, Liam Fox refuse to fall | :24:57. | :25:05. | |
at leaving the customs union. It is argued we have to leave the customs | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
union and I suspect Nissan and other manufacturers will be out the door | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
because they will be subject to tariffs. | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
How would you do free trade deals if... | :25:17. | :25:22. | |
I am not in the Government. They are making these rules up as we go | :25:23. | :25:24. | |
along. What is the point of having a fancy | :25:25. | :25:30. | |
trade department striking free trade deals if Liam Fox says we might be | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
staying in the customs union? Why will Europe give us this pic and | :25:35. | :25:41. | |
make steel? Let us let us listen to Liam Fox. | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
There would be limitations on what we could do in terms | :25:47. | :25:48. | |
of tariff setting, which would limit what kind of deals you would do. | :25:49. | :25:51. | |
But we want to look at all the different things. | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
I hear people talking about hard Brexit and soft Brexit | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
as though it's a boiled egg we're talking about. | :25:59. | :26:00. | |
So Turkey, for example, is in part of the customs union | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
What we need to do before we make final decisions | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
How do you interpret that? There will be people like David Lammy who | :26:09. | :26:18. | |
say that was an indication we are not going to leave the customs union | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
or we will opt back into certain sectors that might make it easier | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
for agriculture or financial services. You are clear we are | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
leaving the customs union. I would like us to gain all the | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
benefits of the freedom to strike trade deals. | :26:36. | :26:41. | |
I think Liam Fox is right, at this stage, there are lots of options. It | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
is not a binary choice. Theresa May has been right in setting out the | :26:47. | :26:50. | |
fact there are many options and we will have to consider what is best | :26:51. | :26:53. | |
for Britain. Did he really say anything, Liam | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
Fox? What did he really say? | :26:59. | :27:06. | |
Nothing is what he said. He talked about it not being binary. The man | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
who before Somerset we are striking out free trade deals, now talking | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
about staying. They are making it up as they go along. | :27:17. | :27:22. | |
44% of our exports are to the EU, we should be very worried. | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
Let us return to regulation, and employment laws, we are bound by | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
European standards. Should the Government rollback | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
limits on working hours? It needs to be considered in the | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
mix. We need to take into account the needs of our employees, | :27:40. | :27:45. | |
businesses and industries. Different sectors have different needs for | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
their workforce. That needs to be part of a | :27:49. | :27:51. | |
discussion. Do you agree? | :27:52. | :27:57. | |
We have spent five years looking at this. The working Time directive was | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
a risk but Britain got an opt out. There are bits we have opted. | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
Are we suggesting we suggesting we go back to junior hospital doctors | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
having a 100 hour week? There is no appetite for that. The | :28:12. | :28:17. | |
agency workers directive, there was unhappiness in business. They agreed | :28:18. | :28:20. | |
a deal with the trade unions. They don't want to reopen that. | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
There was little in employment law is considered so I must Britain has | :28:27. | :28:28. | |
to get out. On climate change, the UK has been | :28:29. | :28:36. | |
ahead of its European neighbours on cutting carbon emissions. There has | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
been criticism of the effectiveness of the carbon trading programme. | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
Does Brexit allow us something new? Britain led the way with the climate | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
change act. The biggest cost on British business | :28:51. | :28:56. | |
is the carbon price floor introduced by... It was not a European measure. | :28:57. | :29:07. | |
Some say it doesn't work. So there is an opportunity for the | :29:08. | :29:10. | |
UK to do something? The Government could change, it | :29:11. | :29:17. | |
would be retrograde, would be to get rid of the radiation on coal-fired | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
power stations. If the Government wanted to undo the 30 years of work | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
and bring back coal instead of gas, that is one of their freedoms they | :29:27. | :29:29. | |
could gain. Most of the measures are already | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
British. Before we let you go, any plans in | :29:34. | :29:38. | |
the New Year for a return to politics? | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
I am working with my party already, I have helped in the by-election. | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
I may well get involved. Standing? I am already the candidate | :29:49. | :29:54. | |
in Twickenham. You may see me back as an MP. | :29:55. | :29:56. | |
Thank you. According to one popular theory, | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
voters around the world have this year rejected | :30:01. | :30:03. | |
the so-called "liberal elite". It's a distrust of this group | :30:04. | :30:05. | |
of affluent and powerful people that is said to be the driving force | :30:06. | :30:07. | |
behind some of 2016's biggest electoral upsets, | :30:08. | :30:10. | |
with the possible exception of Ore But our next guest, Ryan Shorthouse, | :30:11. | :30:13. | |
director of the Conservative think-tank Bright Blue, | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
says it's time for the liberal metropolitan elites | :30:18. | :30:20. | |
like him to strike back. Here's the life lesson that | :30:21. | :30:22. | |
I and countless others learned Work hard at school, go | :30:23. | :30:39. | |
to university and chase your dream But when you successfully do | :30:40. | :30:43. | |
all of this, you get lambasted for being a member | :30:44. | :30:50. | |
of the liberal metropolitan elite. And being against the elite, | :30:51. | :30:53. | |
specifically the liberal metropolitan elite, is now such | :30:54. | :30:55. | |
a common and winning narrative The left have prodded at this, | :30:56. | :30:57. | |
arguing that only an elite have prospered from years, | :30:58. | :31:05. | |
decades, of neoliberal orthodoxy. This is not true on a whole host | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
of things - education, Most people's lives have got better | :31:11. | :31:16. | |
and most people, apart from those who are still struggling, | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
are generally happy. But, surprisingly, those | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
on the right have indulged in this nonsense, too, | :31:25. | :31:27. | |
arguing that a disconnected and decadent elite have imposed | :31:28. | :31:30. | |
social liberalism and political But this idea of an elite | :31:31. | :31:34. | |
versus the people is a Marxist myth. It's simply not true | :31:35. | :31:51. | |
that society has become an elite and people, | :31:52. | :31:53. | |
both with united Every day in the newspapers, | :31:54. | :31:55. | |
for example, politicians And denouncing the existence | :31:56. | :32:03. | |
of an elite is indulging in class If a member of an elite has acquired | :32:04. | :32:10. | |
their position undeservedly, If someone in the elite behaves | :32:11. | :32:16. | |
irresponsibly or anti-socially, But just being a member | :32:17. | :32:21. | |
of the elite is not something These are people who excel | :32:22. | :32:28. | |
in a particular field. The right should want more | :32:29. | :32:34. | |
people to join the elite, You know, we shouldn't sneer | :32:35. | :32:36. | |
at or stereotype anybody and that includes people who live in cities | :32:37. | :32:43. | |
and have done well in life. What's wrong with a popular revolt, | :32:44. | :33:01. | |
a revolt against the status quo? People will be taking back control | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
of their lives. Well, I know this might not make me that popular... | :33:06. | :33:12. | |
Don't worry about that! The anti-elite story has been so | :33:13. | :33:16. | |
dominant and winning this year in western politics that I think we | :33:17. | :33:19. | |
need to expose it for what it is. It is quite ugly. We shouldn't blame | :33:20. | :33:22. | |
complexes were problems on any particular social group - | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
immigrants, the white working class and the liberal metropolitan elite. | :33:27. | :33:31. | |
It's the stuff of angry, ugly tribalism. The second thing to say | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
is, it is just that there is a kind of elite behind the scenes pulling | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
all these strings, imposing a dystopia on everybody. Every day in | :33:41. | :33:44. | |
the newspapers, we see businesses against government, government | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
against businesses. For example, government is trying to introduce a | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
higher minimum wage and an apprenticeship love. This doesn't | :33:52. | :33:54. | |
sound like an Ely all in it together imposing their agenda on everybody. | :33:55. | :34:01. | |
Let me put that if Suella Fernandes. This rather ugly, if it is a revolt | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
against the status quo and blaming immigrants or blaming your | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
neighbours or blaming the liberal metropolitan elite, it's an angry | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
reaction and is not actually true. I think representing a constituency | :34:13. | :34:19. | |
which is outside metropolitan elite area, speaking to my constituents on | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
a daily basis, their concerns are about the impact of uncontrolled | :34:24. | :34:33. | |
immigration on wages, jobs and services and I think, for them, they | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
need a voice for that and I feel that sometimes members of this | :34:37. | :34:42. | |
elite, this metropolitan group, do not take those concerns enough and | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
there is a disconnect between some of the voices that we hear and | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
actually people who are voting with their feet on the ground. Are you | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
standing up for the liberal metropolitan elite, David Lammy? The | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
liberal metropolitan elite, if it exists, is a long way from | :35:00. | :35:05. | |
Tottenham, where average incomes are about ?20,000, where you certainly | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
can't buy a house in a regular job. In fact, you probably can't even do | :35:11. | :35:13. | |
that if you're a junior consultant in London. So, in a sense, I'm with | :35:14. | :35:19. | |
you, I don't like the tribalism, but I do think that the Westminster | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
village and successive governments - this runs across knowledgeable | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
parties - are detached from quite significant sections of the | :35:28. | :35:31. | |
population and that's not a north/ south thing because I represent that | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
-- recognise that representing Tottenham, but there is a detachment | :35:37. | :35:39. | |
where the concerns of many people have not been addressed. Is it the | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
fault, though, of what we call the liberal metropolitan elite? Ryan | :35:45. | :35:46. | |
says in his film but just because people have been successful, they | :35:47. | :35:49. | |
may live in a city, may have acquired wealth and a certain | :35:50. | :35:55. | |
status, is it their fault that your constituents and Suella Fernandes's | :35:56. | :35:58. | |
constituents are feeling this disconnect? We got to examine the | :35:59. | :36:01. | |
liberal in that. There liberal games but we got on 20th century in terms | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
of rights that I would welcome but we've had a liberal laissez faire | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
economy in which many people have got rich but the majority have not, | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
wages have stagnated and you can't get on in life and access the good | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
life. I hold your party responsible for a lot of that but that's the | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
consensus that shut people out. Do you accept that, that actually it is | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
liberalism's fault? Some of the problems constituents are suffering | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
from today or complaining about is the result of liberalism, but it has | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
been foisted on them to some extent, being told what to believe and what | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
to think, particularly with the issue of immigration, that it is | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
always a good thing, and not everyone agrees with that? Actually, | :36:43. | :36:48. | |
the elite, which is the Government, technically, which has been in power | :36:49. | :36:52. | |
since 2010, has wanted to control immigration so it's untrue that | :36:53. | :36:55. | |
we've had uncontrolled migration. The Government have sought ways to | :36:56. | :37:00. | |
reduce it. But they've failed. They have failed to meet the target it up | :37:01. | :37:03. | |
I think that target is indiscriminate and not the best way | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
to control migration but you look at polling. Most Londoners, for | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
example, most people in the higher social groups, one some form of | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
control of migration. So it's not true that Londoners think very | :37:16. | :37:17. | |
differently from the rest of the country. That's a myth. On your | :37:18. | :37:23. | |
point about liberalism, I agree that people have certainly been left out, | :37:24. | :37:26. | |
there is a minority of people who feel left behind, and that requires | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
clever policy-making. I don't get the fault of liberalism. Over the | :37:31. | :37:35. | |
past few decades, on most indicators - education levels, health | :37:36. | :37:38. | |
standards, living standards - the majority of people in this country | :37:39. | :37:41. | |
have got better and someone will probably tell me I am out of touch | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
and don't understand how everyone else is living, but I can't talk to | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
everybody, but the Office for National Statistics does an annual | :37:50. | :37:51. | |
survey and asks how satisfied people are with their lives and most people | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
are generally or fairly satisfied. I want to take you to MPs and you've | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
got different constituencies but you are privately educated barrister, a | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
graduate of Harvard who became a London MP, you went to a private | :38:05. | :38:10. | |
girls' schooling pinna, where I was brought up, you may not be | :38:11. | :38:18. | |
metropolitan or liberal but you are part of the elite, aren't you? I did | :38:19. | :38:22. | |
not go to state school. I went to a very, very good state school. I've | :38:23. | :38:27. | |
been to Harvard law school. Of course I am part of an elite group. | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
My income puts me in part of an elite group but believe me, from the | :38:32. | :38:34. | |
working class background I've got, I've got many family members who | :38:35. | :38:37. | |
have not benefited in the way I have. What about you? This is about | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
aspiration. I come from a working-class background in Wembley, | :38:43. | :38:45. | |
where my father was unemployed for many years and we've had to struggle | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
as a family. But I'm a Conservative because I believe it is about rising | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
up the ladder of opportunity and true meritocracy, through hard work | :38:54. | :38:56. | |
and endeavour, it doesn't matter where you come from, the | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
Conservative Party values enable people to start where ever they are | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
and to realise their potential. You will both be sticking up for the | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
liberal metropolitan elite, then? I'm with you on immigration but I | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
think that probably there are some liberal, particularly the economic | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
liberal, arguments that are problematic to huge swathes of the | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
country. We have to end it there but thank you very much. | :39:23. | :39:27. | |
Now, even politics usually stops for Christmas. | :39:28. | :39:28. | |
And it's nearly time for the Parliament and even | :39:29. | :39:31. | |
the Daily Politics to pack up for a week or so. | :39:32. | :39:33. | |
But let's have a quick look at what's happening in the last few | :39:34. | :39:36. | |
Theresa May will deliver a statement to the commons this afternoon | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
to tell MPs about her trip to Brussels for last week's meeting | :39:41. | :39:43. | |
Tomorrow, the Prime Minister gives evidence to the Liaison Committee - | :39:44. | :39:47. | |
that's the super-committee made up of the heads of all the main | :39:48. | :39:49. | |
care and, of course, Brexit. | :39:50. | :39:56. | |
Tuesday sees the last Daily Politics of the year. | :39:57. | :39:58. | |
And the Commons also rises for the Christmas break. | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
Peers linger on until Wednesday, when you can also see the final | :40:03. | :40:08. | |
ministerial outing for Lord Freud, who is stepping down as an unpaid | :40:09. | :40:11. | |
Work And Pensions Minister after more than six years. | :40:12. | :40:18. | |
Friday sees the release of the Christmas singles | :40:19. | :40:20. | |
Will the cover of You Can't Always Get What You Want, | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
recorded in memory of murdered MP Jo Cox, get to number one? | :40:24. | :40:26. | |
And on Saturday, Theresa May will release her first Christmas | :40:27. | :40:28. | |
We're joined now by Kate Devlin from the Herald. | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
And Christopher Hope from the Telegraph. | :40:33. | :40:33. | |
They are probably demob happy! Crist of hope, what do you think the | :40:34. | :40:43. | |
challenge will be for Theresa May in the New Year? One word, Brexit. It | :40:44. | :40:46. | |
all starts really the second or third week of January when the | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
government will probably lose its appeal in the High Court in the | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
Supreme Court and then it is a race against the clock to try to get this | :40:55. | :40:57. | |
vote through the Commons and Lords to trigger Article 50. Then we are | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
almost straight into this great repeal bill, which will be the bill | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
of all bills, the mother or legislation, looking at repealing or | :41:09. | :41:14. | |
shifting EU law for Europe into this country, about 40% of all laws are | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
made in Europe and that will all have to get into one massive bill | :41:20. | :41:22. | |
about a foot deep. It will be an epic. You sound like you are looking | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
forward to it! What about Jeremy Corbyn? The polls of Babe grim | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
reading recently for the Labour Party, 17 or so points behind the | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
Tories, although an opinion poll today seems to but that gap at the | :41:36. | :41:38. | |
close at about seven points. What does he have to do? It is quite | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
strange to Jeremy Corbyn. In some ways he has backed himself into a | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
corner. One thing he probably does have to do is rely on strife with | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
his own backbenches because that is currently what Corbyn and his | :41:53. | :41:55. | |
supporters are claiming is the reason for these opinion polls being | :41:56. | :42:02. | |
so bad and were that to fall away without a rise in the opinion polls, | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
I think a lot of serious questions would be asked. He's also got quite | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
serious elections, local council elections, coming up next summer and | :42:12. | :42:14. | |
he probably needs to do a little bit better in those than he did last | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
year. That said, to his detractors, he didn't do as badly as was | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
expected last year. If the opposition isn't posing a huge | :42:25. | :42:28. | |
threat to Theresa May at the moment, that is what they feel certainly in | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
Conservative headquarters, is the threat going to come from within the | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
Tory party? Almost certainly, yes. You've seen George Osborne doing | :42:38. | :42:41. | |
very well on the Andrew Marr programme yesterday, Nicky Morgan | :42:42. | :42:44. | |
and other big beasts on the Tory backbenchers will start to sharpen | :42:45. | :42:46. | |
their clause once this whole issue of Brexit starts to get in the House | :42:47. | :42:50. | |
of Commons and they've got a mandate to start talking about it. I imagine | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
these guys in the Commons will support triggering Article 50 by the | :42:56. | :42:58. | |
end of March but the real battle starts in the summer, when you can | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
amend this huge bill, this great reform bill, great repeal bill, | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
however you put it. I totally agree with Kate, Jeremy Corbyn has become | :43:07. | :43:14. | |
irrelevant -- has to become relevant but that will take a few years and | :43:15. | :43:18. | |
in the meantime, the Tory backbenchers will flex their | :43:19. | :43:21. | |
muscles. What about the relaunch the Jeremy Corbyn in the New Year? When | :43:22. | :43:25. | |
everyone talks about a relaunch, you think they are in trouble. Very | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
true, and it's not usually a good thing to have said about someone, | :43:30. | :43:32. | |
especially when you consider what the relaunch are supposed to be | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
about, it is supposed to be about tapping into an idea of | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
authenticity, anti-politics, which has been incredibly popular this | :43:40. | :43:45. | |
year. We've seen it in a lot of popular campaigns. I would suggest | :43:46. | :43:48. | |
it is probably a fake authenticity, certainly from the likes of Donald | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
Trump presenting himself as a man of the people when he's a billionaire | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
businessman. And of course when you are going for authentic, relaunch is | :43:59. | :44:02. | |
kind of the kiss of death. Let's look back. Christopher hope, give me | :44:03. | :44:08. | |
your thoughts on -- 2016. I think it is the year of the peasants' revolt | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
it up if you think about 1381 when what Tyler marched on the capital, | :44:15. | :44:18. | |
it is basically that, the voters were told not to vote for Brexit by | :44:19. | :44:24. | |
politicians, most politicians, most ecologists, all the boss is big | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
companies, celebrities, everyone said, don't do it, and the people of | :44:29. | :44:31. | |
Britain gave a massive up yours to the establishment. I think it is | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
rather a moving moment, the fact that people felt they could say, no, | :44:36. | :44:41. | |
you are the servants of the people, you do what we say, we are going to | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
leave the EU. I think it's been an amazing year, which I will never | :44:46. | :44:49. | |
forget. I don't think anyone will ever forget it. What about your view | :44:50. | :44:54. | |
of 2016, Kate? I agree with Chris, it is a year in which everything has | :44:55. | :44:57. | |
been dominated by politics. I was very excited at the start of the | :44:58. | :45:00. | |
summer when Northern Ireland qualified for euros for the first | :45:01. | :45:04. | |
time in my living memory. Of course, a couple of weeks later we were put | :45:05. | :45:11. | |
out by Wales, two days after the referendum, leading to the joke at | :45:12. | :45:15. | |
home that Wales had but Northern Ireland out of Europe twice in one | :45:16. | :45:17. | |
weekend. The Christmas break! Now, we've already talked about some | :45:18. | :45:20. | |
of the year's biggest elections, that's the EU referendum and the US | :45:21. | :45:23. | |
presidential vote, But now, we're going to talk about | :45:24. | :45:25. | |
one you might just have missed. And that's the elections | :45:26. | :45:29. | |
for this year's delegates to One candidate from Durham University | :45:30. | :45:31. | |
swept to victory with this rather unusual pitch to his | :45:32. | :45:35. | |
fellow students. I'm running to be an NUS delegate | :45:36. | :45:37. | |
at this year's conference. Here are the pledges I'm | :45:38. | :45:41. | |
going to deliver for you. I pledge to construct | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
a giant statue. A giant statue of NUS | :45:46. | :45:48. | |
president Malia Bouattia so that students in Durham can see | :45:49. | :45:51. | |
how vitally important I pledge to cut back | :45:52. | :45:53. | |
the foliage so that our beautiful students' union building | :45:54. | :46:02. | |
is even more visible. I pledge to make sweeping | :46:03. | :46:09. | |
sw-sw-sweeping agrarian reform - a national priority. | :46:10. | :46:11. | |
Vote for to me to take out the rubbish. | :46:12. | :46:13. | |
I am the only candidates who has pledged to defeat Isis. | :46:14. | :46:19. | |
But, seriously, if you vote for me, I will vote against all irrelevant | :46:20. | :46:33. | |
grandstanding, self-aggrandising, self-defeating NUS policies that | :46:34. | :46:34. | |
only serve to discredit students as a whole. | :46:35. | :46:42. | |
And Tom Harwood, who won election as a delegate to the NUS conference | :46:43. | :46:45. | |
thanks in part to that campaign video, joins us now. | :46:46. | :46:50. | |
Congratulations. You are trying to poke fun at the state of student | :46:51. | :46:58. | |
politics, what are your issues? The NUS doesn't represent students | :46:59. | :47:01. | |
anymore. It is run by a narrow group of | :47:02. | :47:05. | |
people who come from a narrower spectrum of opinion who are not | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
representing the issues that matter to students. | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
You are trying to undermine the NUS? They do a good job themselves, with | :47:16. | :47:19. | |
their banning of newspapers on campuses, with their boycotting of | :47:20. | :47:24. | |
Coca-Cola because they have factories in Israel. The issues | :47:25. | :47:30. | |
which have nothing to do with the lives of students. | :47:31. | :47:34. | |
Students must have supported some of those issues? | :47:35. | :47:40. | |
That is a good point, the NUS sees itself as a legislator. Most | :47:41. | :47:48. | |
students see it as irrelevant, only 4% bothered to turn out. At Durham | :47:49. | :47:54. | |
we had delegates who have had identical opinions for years. As | :47:55. | :48:01. | |
soon as I ran my campaign, turnout was up 200%. People who are offered | :48:02. | :48:07. | |
a change go for it. Students have always campaigned on | :48:08. | :48:11. | |
global issues whether or not they could affect change. That is what | :48:12. | :48:16. | |
being a student in student politics is about. Many heads of the NUS have | :48:17. | :48:22. | |
gone on to be politicians. What is wrong with that? | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
Nothing is wrong with campaigning on global issues but you need to pick | :48:27. | :48:29. | |
the avenue to do it. Don't present -- Don't pretend to | :48:30. | :48:39. | |
represent all students. What are you going to do, put your | :48:40. | :48:44. | |
money where your mouth is and go along to conference with this? | :48:45. | :48:51. | |
Absolutely. I said as long as we are in the NUS I will work hard to make | :48:52. | :48:55. | |
it slightly less terrible. My weight is pushing forward | :48:56. | :49:00. | |
democratic reforms, hopefully one member one vote through. | :49:01. | :49:08. | |
The current resident has faced accusations of anti-Semitism and has | :49:09. | :49:14. | |
said some distasteful things, calling the University of Birmingham | :49:15. | :49:20. | |
a Zionist outpost for example. I hope to get more representative | :49:21. | :49:24. | |
people. What you think of his view of the | :49:25. | :49:28. | |
NUS? I am reluctant to get dragged into | :49:29. | :49:33. | |
student politics at seven -- Except to say I am with you in part. | :49:34. | :49:38. | |
I wasn't hugely involved in student politics at university. I found a | :49:39. | :49:43. | |
certain group of people would hijack a cause, political careerists in | :49:44. | :49:53. | |
their own party. I recognised that. Some of the anti-Semitism that has | :49:54. | :49:57. | |
gone on particularly I think is very worrying. | :49:58. | :50:02. | |
Do you support what Tom is trying to do. | :50:03. | :50:05. | |
I know there are some real issues around the cost of student housing. | :50:06. | :50:11. | |
That is something you would hope to see the NUS is taking up much | :50:12. | :50:18. | |
louder. It has campaigned on expensive | :50:19. | :50:22. | |
housing. The NUS is undermined on legitimate | :50:23. | :50:28. | |
issues when it uses covers as a platform to call for bringing down | :50:29. | :50:31. | |
the Government as every single president seems to do. | :50:32. | :50:39. | |
Sometimes perhaps they should focus on presenting a broader spectrum of | :50:40. | :50:46. | |
student opinion. Sadly, the NUS has lost credibility | :50:47. | :50:50. | |
and legitimacy because of a Kabbalah of people who do not represent the | :50:51. | :50:56. | |
body of students and have given it a bad name. | :50:57. | :50:59. | |
I was involved in student politics and saw it as a great opportunity to | :51:00. | :51:10. | |
learn more. It was an opportunity, it was fun, | :51:11. | :51:17. | |
we campaigned, helped in elections. Do you have any support? | :51:18. | :51:25. | |
Nationally? I won a landslide victory at Durham. | :51:26. | :51:28. | |
Generally there was a 300% increase in turnout but it was only 10%. I am | :51:29. | :51:38. | |
trying to highlight this. Up and down the country more people | :51:39. | :51:42. | |
are emulating campaigns like this. We might see a good batch of | :51:43. | :51:47. | |
antiestablishment delegates at the conference in April. | :51:48. | :51:48. | |
Thank you. Now, are you getting a bit tired | :51:49. | :51:50. | |
of hearing news programmes talking Because, at about this | :51:51. | :51:53. | |
time every December, that have defined the year, | :51:54. | :52:00. | |
as seen through the lens of the chief political photographer | :52:01. | :52:04. | |
of the Press Association. And he's had plenty | :52:05. | :52:06. | |
to keep him snapping. Welcome. What is your image of the | :52:07. | :53:26. | |
year? It is a hard one. A picture at the | :53:27. | :53:32. | |
beginning of the campaign in April. David Cameron, Paddy Ashdown and | :53:33. | :53:40. | |
Neil Kinnock, in a phone bank, making calls, campaigning. It was so | :53:41. | :53:44. | |
early, I think David Cameron thought... I don't think it was a | :53:45. | :53:50. | |
problem for him. Everyone is quite relaxed. It was a good campaigning | :53:51. | :53:57. | |
picture, a lot of fun. It changed as the campaign went on. | :53:58. | :54:00. | |
I don't think we would have seen that later closer to June the 23rd. | :54:01. | :54:07. | |
They all looked as if they were having fun representing the | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
different parties. Physical photographers are | :54:12. | :54:14. | |
effectively flies on the wall. You said it did get more uptight as the | :54:15. | :54:18. | |
months passed. On the subject of the campaigns, | :54:19. | :54:23. | |
with the results, talk us through one of the pictures you took the | :54:24. | :54:28. | |
morning after? First of all, 4am, I was with Nigel | :54:29. | :54:36. | |
Farage. I soon realised I needed to move and find out where Nigel Farage | :54:37. | :54:41. | |
was, and at four Rayaheen was declaring the result himself. He | :54:42. | :54:45. | |
came out punching the air, a very strong picture of him. | :54:46. | :54:51. | |
He looks pleased. He took no encouragement to do that. | :54:52. | :54:54. | |
He had been making his victory speech since 3:30am. | :54:55. | :55:00. | |
How things change. We did that. Suddenly a couple of hours later the | :55:01. | :55:04. | |
Prime Minister announced he would resign. | :55:05. | :55:09. | |
An hour later, the press conference with Boris Johnson and Michael Gove. | :55:10. | :55:14. | |
It was difficult to know where to be. Do I find where David Cameron | :55:15. | :55:21. | |
is? Boris? The results caught us by surprise. Where do I need to be now? | :55:22. | :55:29. | |
A busy morning. How would you describe the atmosphere? Where were | :55:30. | :55:33. | |
you on the night when the result came through? | :55:34. | :55:36. | |
I was in my constituency for the vote. The vote came through at 3am. | :55:37. | :55:42. | |
It became clear my considers the voted to leave the EU. I was with my | :55:43. | :55:49. | |
campaign is, I drove to London in the early hours and went to the Vote | :55:50. | :55:56. | |
Leave headquarters. Another big story, the reaction of | :55:57. | :56:02. | |
Jeremy Corbyn for a second time. How did that compared to last year? | :56:03. | :56:07. | |
I thought it would be the same but it wasn't. Last year, a huge | :56:08. | :56:13. | |
fanfare, a big deal, in central London. Lots of triumphalism. It | :56:14. | :56:18. | |
ended up with a rally in a pub around the corner. | :56:19. | :56:23. | |
This year, it was over in 15 minutes, Saturday morning. The | :56:24. | :56:27. | |
announcement would be at 12 noon. All done very quickly. They wanted | :56:28. | :56:31. | |
to get it out of the way before conference. | :56:32. | :56:36. | |
What about your recollection of the second? | :56:37. | :56:44. | |
I didn't engage. I found the biggest story of the year was Brexit. At the | :56:45. | :56:49. | |
time I felt very low that the Labour Party were caught up in this. I | :56:50. | :56:56. | |
didn't engage. I had engaged big-time in Brexit. | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
For me, the photo has to be of Michael Gove and Boris Johnson, who | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
should be celebrating, but are standing there like schoolboys who | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
have wrecked the room, looking really sombre and depressed at what | :57:10. | :57:18. | |
they have created. That is what struck me, at that news | :57:19. | :57:21. | |
conference, thinking they would come on with a certain amount of | :57:22. | :57:24. | |
smugness. They walked on ashen faced. The whole 20 minute press | :57:25. | :57:31. | |
conference, the same mood throughout. This was odd. They were | :57:32. | :57:38. | |
in shock. Some said they were thinking, what have we done? I don't | :57:39. | :57:43. | |
think that was the case. I think the result may have caught them by | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
surprise. An hour before David Cameron had announced he had | :57:48. | :57:51. | |
resigned. Maybe that had shocked them. They did not want to appear | :57:52. | :57:56. | |
victorious having lost their leader. Shock was the word for many during | :57:57. | :58:01. | |
these events. We can show you the Changing of the | :58:02. | :58:05. | |
Guard at number ten. You had a classic photo of David | :58:06. | :58:10. | |
Cameron and his departure. Here he is announcing he is going. | :58:11. | :58:16. | |
We had seen him come out with his resignation speech on the 24th of | :58:17. | :58:21. | |
June. This is the moment he left. The same day we knew Theresa May | :58:22. | :58:24. | |
would walk in. He/she is going in. | :58:25. | :58:30. | |
I did that picture an hour after photographing David Cameron. | :58:31. | :58:35. | |
I photographed him from the side because I realised his close | :58:36. | :58:39. | |
advisers were close to tears. I focused on them. | :58:40. | :58:45. | |
All the time I was concerned about getting inside number ten. I knew | :58:46. | :58:49. | |
she would be front page next day. Thank youth are taking us through | :58:50. | :58:52. | |
those key moments. And to our guests. | :58:53. | :58:55. | |
The One O'Clock News is starting over on BBC One now. | :58:56. | :58:57. | |
I'll be here at noon tomorrow for the last | :58:58. | :58:59. | |
Hello, I'm Charlie Brooker. Please join me for 2016 Wipe, | :59:00. | :59:07. | |
looking back at a year containing nothing but hard Brexit, | :59:08. | :59:10. |