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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.

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MPs are about to begin two days of debate over the bill that

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will give the Government the authority to get the formal

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So will it get through Parliament without any hiccups?

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We speak to MPs from across the political spectrum.

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Protestors gather outside Downing Street last night

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to voice their anger at Donald Trump's immigration ban.

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Overnight the President sacked his acting Attorney General

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Unlike the eventual trains, the High Speed Two Bill has been

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But it could soon get to its desired destination.

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Conservative grandee Nicholas Soames is forced to apologise for making

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what he calls a "friendly canine salute" to a fellow MP.

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All that in the next hour and with us for the whole

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of the programme today is Angela Smith, Labour's leader

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So, in just over half an hour MPs will finally start debating

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the Government's Article 50 Bill, with Labour warning of civil

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disturbances and people taking to the streets if Parliament votes

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against triggering the Brexit process.

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If it is approved it will give the Government the authority to trigger

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leaving that you use. -- leaving the EU. What lies ahead?

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MPs will begin five days of debate on the European Union Notification

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of Withdrawal Bill, which has its second reading today

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and tomorrow before coming back before MPs next Monday

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Despite being only 133 words long, MPs are queuing up

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to modify the Bill - with Labour, the SNP,

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the Liberal Democrats and the Green Party all looking

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The SNP have promised to put down 50 amendments but so far have

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only published four, including a reset clause that

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would keep the UK in the EU if an exit deal can't be reached

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Both the SNP and Labour will look to put down amendments calling

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for EU nationals resident in the UK to be given a guarantee

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Labour plan on putting down a further series of amendments,

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including forcing the Government to protect workers' rights

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The Liberal Democrats want to put down three amendments including

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on having a second referendum where the options will be to accept

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While the Green Party are going for an even more

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extreme alternative - a so-called reasoned amendment that

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would see the whole Article 50 process killed stone dead.

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Few, if any, amendments are likely to pass in the Commons given Labour

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support for the Bill - but opponents could have more

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success in the Lords, which will begin its debate

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Lords were told last night Ministers want them to have passed

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the Bill by March 7th - in time for Theresa May to go

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to the EU summit that weekend to trigger Article 50 and begin

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As always at times like this, our political correspondent

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Norman Smith is in the thick of things - he joins us

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You can never criticise us for not being consistent! Norman, how big a

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moment is this today? A big moment because it is something Theresa May

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desperately wanted to avoid. She would not be here worried about the

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Supreme Court saying you absolutely have to pass legislation -- were it

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not for the Supreme Court saying. Hundreds amendments have been

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tabled, there will be a bust up over the pace at which legislation is

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being pushed. Maastricht was on the floor of the house for weeks, so

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there will be an argument over why the Government still has not publish

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this paper it first promised back in December. Still we have not got it.

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There would be plenty of argy-bargy and aggro, but at the end of the day

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the one thing pretty much everyone seems to agree on is that Theresa

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May will in all probability ghetto legislation and in the time frame

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she wants, namely by the end of March -- will in all probably get

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her legislation. Her opponents are divided, Tory rebels believe now is

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not the time to stand up to Mrs May, three, the House of Lords, partly

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through self preservation do not want to stand up against the

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referendum and for the most importantly, Jeremy Corbyn has

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ordered his MPs to back the bill. At the end of the day, Labour MPs will

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be expected to back the measure even though some will defy him and some

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will provide -- resign from the backbench in order to not do that --

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will resign from the front bench. As you repeated, the list of amendments

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is long. Would it be whittled down to one of two macro by the end? It

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will be hacked back to three or four. The key amendment as far as I

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can see it suggests there should be a meaningful vote before Theresa May

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strikes a deal on Brexit. She has promised a vote after she has done a

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deal. I do not expect that amendment will be passed in the immediate

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weeks in which MPs and peers debate this bill, but there is a body of

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opinion that wants to see down the line, maybe as part of the Great

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Repeal Bill or other Parliamentary vehicles, whether there can be a

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mechanism whereby MPs are guaranteed a vote before Mrs May takes us out

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of the EU. We don't get that clash, but I expect that in time those

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opposed to Brexit will make their stand there. Thank you very much,

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Norman Smith. I'm joined now by Conservative MP

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and former minister John Penrose and the Liberal Democrat

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former cabinet minister Alistair Carmichael who now sits

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on the Brexit select committee. Welcome to you both. Alistair

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Carmichael, as you will probably expect, Brexit Secretary David Davis

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would accuse you today of abusing the trust of the British people, it

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is hard to argue with that logic. I will not start losing sleep about

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accusations from David Davies, it is pretty predictable. The argument

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about trust from the referendum is important. I know lots of people

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were told things would be possible in the event that they voted to

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Leave, we're now told that these things will not happen and we hear

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from Government ministers, Philip Hammond in particular, that they now

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want to take the Government in a very particular direction. A small

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Government, low regulation, low tax economy. That runs directly in the

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opposite direction from the promises made up having extra money to spend

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on public service. Remember the famous ?350 million a week? Where is

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the respect for the result of the referendum? It all just shows how

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you need to be careful when you come to bouncing around these

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accusations, let's take it step-by-step and try to have the

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most mature debate. Is that what the Government is doing, taking Britain

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in the direction of a low tax, to use Jeremy Corbyn's phrase, bargain

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basement economy? A bloke I think that is a fallback if it all goes

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horribly wrong but I don't think that is what we are aiming for.

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There has been cross-party agreement and trying to preserve workers'

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rights and so on. It is only if the EUG feels they have is over a barrel

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and can push us towards a dreadful deal, it is to make sure people

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understand that a bad deal is worse than no deal, as the Prime Minister

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rightly said. That is further down the line, let's concentrate on the

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debate today and tomorrow, Alistair Carmichael, you will not be putting

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down in till the committee stage next week, so is it not incumbent on

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you and your colleagues to at least vote through the bill on its second

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reading? We have tabled the reasoned amendment today, which makes it

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clear that we decline to give the bill a second reading because it

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makes no provision for a referendum, because, as you said in your

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introduction, the White Paper we have been promised has not yet been

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published. And because the Government has used Parliamentary

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procedure to avoid giving things like what are known as money

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resolution some sort. The Government is still trying to do what the

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Supreme Court has said they are not allowed to do by law, which is to

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sideline parliament and keep control. How was Parliament is being

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sidelined? The Government has only brought forward the bill, not the

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other ancillary measures that normally go with it. That is why we

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are putting down the amendment. There have been 69 Parliamentary

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debates on the outcome of the EU referendum since the 23rd of June.

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If anybody can really, hand on heart, say there has not been a

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chance for Parliament to scrutinise this decision then, really, you are

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being facetious. As you well know there is a world of difference

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between Parliament having general debates that don't have votes, and

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then a meaningful debate of the sort we have today which is a second

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reading of a bill, that is... John Penrose, where is this white paper?

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We were promised it, David Davis said it would not happen, Theresa

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May pulled the rabbit out of the hat at PMQs and said it would happen,

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you were a Remainer, presumably you would like to see what is being set

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out by the Government when you said that you like the single market, you

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said that on the eve of the referendum, it means jobs when local

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firms export to Europe so relieving would cost jobs. You would like to

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see a White Paper? Yes, I was delighted when it was announced. I

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want to see before the start of the negotiations. Not before the

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triggering of Article 50? Above that would mean it has to be out before

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Article 50 is triggered, before the end of March or whatever.

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On the basis of your support for the single market she would support a

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Lib Dem amendment to keep us in the single market? No, I am a Remainer

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but I was a Democrat first. We have taken a collective decision in the

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referendum, I was on the losing side but I respect that, because we have

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taken that decision it is up to is to deliver it in the best way

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possible, I think most of the Labour Party is on the same page. Would you

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put down an amendment on the lines of staying in the single market? We

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would like to see a degree of Parliamentary scrutiny. Why you have

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such a short time for debate is that the Government spent three months

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fighting the courts not to come to Parliament, which is really

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outrageous. Parliament should decide this. I don't believe whether

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people's views were Remain or Leave that there is a single member of

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Parliament or the House of Lords who does not want the best deal for the

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UK. That means different things were different people, do you support a

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second referendum? , It was for the people to decide. The Lib Dems lost

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the referendum on voting systems, on the EU and now it is calling for

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another one, ludicrous. The key thing is that must be Parliamentary

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scrutiny. All these debates we have had have been about trying to get

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information from the Government which never had a plan, has no

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information. There needs to be built into this legislation reporting back

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to Parliament and working and engaging with Parliament, that is

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missing and is serious. I think it is a false choice to

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start saying that some Parliamentary debates are more equal than others.

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Oh, come on extra measure not of course they are wrecks formation not

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there may be votes on bills and other measures, but nope Prime

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Minister weathered salt will ignore a sizeable vote, however it is

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framed. Even on the single market? These things matter because it tells

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us how Parliament will.... That is ridiculous, all the debates and

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questions have been trying to get information from the Government.

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This Government agreed to put the referendum... David Cameron said I

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will stay on and sing it through, disappeared, it is a Government

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without a plan. -- stay on and see it through. Will labour Lords vote

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to trigger Article 50? We will not block or delay the bill? Article 50

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will be triggered. But this is not a blank check that the Government to

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do what it wants. Woman Mark Roe -- Theresa May wants to invoke article

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50. You say you will not block the bill and you know that timing is

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crucial, you say you have legitimate concerns on a blank cheque, what

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does that mean practice? We will listen to what happens in the House

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of Commons, I would be optimistic that the House of Commons in its

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wisdom would have an amendment that brings through Parliamentary

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scrutiny chewing the process. -- during the process. To answer more

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fully, if that does not happen, the only thing open to the House of

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Lords is to as the House of Commons to look at it again. This is not

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blocking or delaying, but say to the House of Commons, think about this

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and have another look. I don't think that would be unreasonable if we get

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about, but if the House of Commons is to say that it wants that

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scrutiny, we would support them. So the Lords could bat it back to

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the Commons and they think again before triggering Article 50, what

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would that do to the timetable? Within the British people would be

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enthusiastic about. If it is within the timetable... What we will no

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doubt see is hysteria from some who think any questioning of the

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Government is a constitutional outrage. It would be a

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constitutional outrage not have questioning.

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The timetable is entirely of Theresa May's on making. She chose to waste

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month in the courts. Deed think it was a waste of time, John Penrose?

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No, it was not. It was perfectly arguable. Particularly and

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constitutionally it was a disgrace to try and sideline parliament. But

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in the end the Supreme court... They have said the Labour Party will not

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block the attempt but they are split. Jeremy Corbyn says there will

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be a whip for MPs. What was the mood last night like at the PLP? There

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was great support for Keir Starmer and the amendments he has put

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through. The main focus of last night's meeting was the amendments

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we are putting down which unites the Parliamentary Labour Party. But you

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have 50 or 60 MPs who will defy the party? When we get into committee

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and we are discussing the amendments, there is a really broad,

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strong agreement around the amendments needing parliamentary

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scrutiny. It is about trying to get Parliament to have a say. But there

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is a split in the Labour Party. But the main issue is the amendments.

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There are split in the Liberal Democrats. How many will vote? I'm

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delighted to say you are not the Chief Whip. You have Norman Lamb

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talking about voting against articles 50. Other MPs are thinking

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about their constituencies. There are there are divisions in the

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Liberal Democrats. There are divisions in all parties.

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Incidentally, it is so important that we don't just say that the

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referendum on the 23rd of June was the last word on this, it was the

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start of a process, it is an evolving process and at the end of

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it, the people having started the process, it should be the people

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through a referendum that should be allowed to give their judgment and

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end it. Why is the government so frightened of amendments being put

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to the House and being voted through? There is nothing wrong with

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them being put to the House. But not voted through! As long as we talk

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about it! The question is, are they good amendments and is this the

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right bill for them as well? This is a very simple bill saying began to

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press the button to start the process. There is an enormous amount

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of further detail as the deal is negotiated, as the details come out.

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But this is the key point. We have to make sure that Parliament is kept

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informed as things come out. All of which is why we should have had the

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white Paper before the bill. That is how it works. You do your

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consultation first. When you have heard the views of people, you come

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forward with legislation. Gentlemen, thank you very much.

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The question for today is what did a member of the Treasury's Wellbeing

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work stream suggest could be a hazard to their colleagues' health?

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Was it: The Chancellor's fiscal statements?

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At the end of the show Baroness Smith will give us

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Now, to events on the other side of the Atlantic.

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And overnight Donald Trump fired his acting Attorney General

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after she questioned the legality of his immigration measures.

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Yesterday Ms Yates ordered justice department lawyers not to enforce

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Sally Yates was appointed by Barack Obama only 11 days ago

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on the day of Donald Trump's inauguration.

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She was an acting Attorney General and was due to be replaced

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by Donald Trump's choice for the role, Jeff Sessions,

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who was awaiting approval from the US Senate.

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Yesterday Ms Yates ordered justice department lawyers not to enforce

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In a letter, she said: "As long as I am the acting attorney general,

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the department of justice will not present arguments in defence

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Well, that act of defiance meant she didn't remain in the job very

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long: within hours the White House said she had been "relieved

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of her duties" and said she had "betrayed the department of justice

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by refusing to enforce a legal order designed to protect the citizens

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On this side of the Atlantic, President Trump's executive order

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has been causing some embarrassment for the British government which has

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since said it does not agree with the policy.

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Yesterday the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, was summoned

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to the Commons to respond to questions from MPs.

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Let me begin by saying that this is not UK policy,

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it is not our policy, nor is it a measure that this

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I've already made clear our anxiety about measures that discriminate

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on grounds of nationality in ways that are divisive and wrong.

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All he can say is that, well, it would not be our policy.

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Has he urged the US administration to lift this order, to help refugees

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This order was signed on Holocaust Memorial Day.

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For the sake of history, for heaven's sake,

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I have made my views absolutely clear.

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I've said that it's divisive, I said that it's wrong and I've said

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that it stigmatises people on grounds of their nationality.

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But what I will not do, what I will not do,

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which is what I think the party opposite would do, is disengage

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from conversations with our American friends and partners in such a way

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as to do material damage to the interests of UK citizens.

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And would my right honourable friend agree in paraphrasing

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a far wiser president, John F Kennedy, that those

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that ride on the back of a tiger end up inside it?

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Does my right honourable friend accept there is a universal threat

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from jihadists and that Europol itself, as an example,

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have estimated there are upto 5000 jihadists that have come over

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from several of these countries about on the furthermore,

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we should also remember the victims of 9/11 in New York,

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7/7 in London, Paris, Brussels and Berlin,

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Try to recall, along with me, as I hid underneath the stairs

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when two fascist dictators, Mussolini and Hitler,

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were raining bombs on towns and cities in Britain.

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Now this Government's hand-in-hand with another fascist Trump,

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and what I say to him, do the decent thing

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This man is not fit to walk in the footsteps of Nelson Mandela.

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Well, I hesitate to say that the honourable gentleman's

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memory must be at fault if he thinks Mussolini rained bombs

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I'm joined now from Brussels by the Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan.

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Welcome to the Daily Politics. First of all, an Sally Yates, the former

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acting Attorney General, was she right when she said she was not

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convinced that the executive order was legal, and if she was right,

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wasn't she also crept when she said they should not follow the executive

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order through -- was she also correct? My own view is the

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executive order was an abuse of power. I think decisions of this

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kind should be referred to the legislature and I don't see any

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reasons why Donald Trump could not have presented his proposals to the

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two chambers. So in that view she is right. It is worth pointing out as

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Trump advocates are doing, that are very different standard was applied

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when Barack Obama used executive orders to change policy, but the

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fact that it has been abused before does not make it correct now. When

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you say it is an abuse of power, the fact that Donald Trump got rid of

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her and also his acting immigration chief, does that not smack of an

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autocrat? Yes, I would not have voted for Donald Trump precisely

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because I thought he had his character flaws and so far I have

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been vindicated. And so people are totally justified to protest what

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they see as a dangerous road towards autocracy and they hope that

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pressure in the States and here will lead to him changing his executive

:24:57.:25:00.

order or sending it or relaxing it in some way in terms of the ban

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which you say is an abuse of power. And if that is effective, you need

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to have a laser light concentration on what is actually wrong. This was

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a hasty ban which through the immigration immigration service into

:25:19.:25:25.

chaos. No US national has been killed on US soil by a national of

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any of those country since people started looking at this in 1975, and

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a measure of this kind should not be taken by executive order. An abuse

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of power does not make it any better when it happens this time. If people

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had restricted their concerns to those lines, rather than just

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shouting fascist Nazi, they would be more effective at uniting a broad

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coalition against him but of course people like to indulge themselves by

:25:57.:26:02.

shouting racist, fascist Nazi and that is what floats their boat. Is

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that the problem that you are in danger of losing the debate of

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criticising Donald Trump that if you resort to lazy analogies, the Nazis,

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the Holocaust, Donald Trump being compared to those dictators? I think

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there are very clear reasons why this should worry us. It gives an

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indication of the presidency of Donald Trump. It is spontaneous like

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the demonstrations planned last night, they were not organised or

:26:33.:26:38.

planned. People want to make a spontaneous protest, we have to

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understand that, but what we saw yesterday was a decision that was

:26:42.:26:47.

not evidence -based. It was made hastily without legal back-up. It

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was random in its application. We don't know why some countries and

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not others. There is no evidence base for it. And there was not a

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debate or discussion which could have gone through Congress, and that

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is what worries me. We need to have a presidency that is rooted in fact,

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rooted in reason and it worries me also our relationship with Donald

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Trump and the presidency of the USA. What did Theresa May no following

:27:15.:27:19.

the meeting? They walked out hand-in-hand like two good friends

:27:20.:27:23.

on their first date, almost. Then this very serious issue emerged that

:27:24.:27:28.

British citizens were being affected and we took so long to respond to

:27:29.:27:35.

it. Let's put that to Daniel. Was she to slow, Theresa May, about what

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she might have known about what he would sign off in his executive

:27:40.:27:44.

order. Was she to slow to react to criticise which in the end hampered

:27:45.:27:48.

the chances of British citizens to clarify what their situation would

:27:49.:27:55.

be? And think it is really important to distinguish between disapproving

:27:56.:27:57.

of Donald Trump's actions and wanting good relations between the

:27:58.:28:03.

US and United Kingdom. In almost every country in the world we will

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find something to objective. I did not particularly agree with France's

:28:08.:28:11.

burqa band that I would never suggest for a moment we should stop

:28:12.:28:15.

the French leader from coming here or Angela Merkel having a federal

:28:16.:28:20.

Europe. I should not suggest not having close relations with Germany.

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I don't think anyone is suggesting that. There are two things. One is

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that of course Theresa May will meet with Donald Trump and will meet with

:28:29.:28:33.

other leaders across the world. I think the concern is that just a few

:28:34.:28:37.

days into his presidency, when we have not got the measure or

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understood what that President will be like, a state visit is being

:28:42.:28:45.

arranged, and I think it is a bit unseemly to draw the Queen into this

:28:46.:28:52.

kind of controversy when it took two years for Barack Obama, three years

:28:53.:28:54.

for George W Bush. I think the Prime Minister is in danger of falling

:28:55.:28:58.

into the David Cameron mould of government way you look at quick

:28:59.:29:05.

decisions, and don't deal with the consequences in the long term.

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Daniel Hannan what is your view of that we did not have to use this

:29:09.:29:15.

state visit type of diplomacy? My guess is that they are deciding

:29:16.:29:20.

right from the beginning they want to emphasise the closeness of the

:29:21.:29:23.

relationship between us and the world's largest economy and chief

:29:24.:29:26.

military power which is no bad thing. The US alliance has been the

:29:27.:29:31.

cornerstone of our foreign policy since at least 1942. The US is the

:29:32.:29:35.

biggest investor in Britain, we are the biggest investor in the US. A

:29:36.:29:39.

million Americans turn up to work for British companies and a million

:29:40.:29:44.

Brits turn up to work for American companies. This is an

:29:45.:29:46.

extraordinarily important relationship and it goes beyond

:29:47.:29:51.

anyone mad or any president. Can I say to Angela Smith, the key is he

:29:52.:29:55.

was elected and he did promise to do these things. He did say he would

:29:56.:29:58.

have a complete and utter shutdown in terms of Muslims coming into the

:29:59.:30:07.

country. I know they have since denied this is a ban on a particular

:30:08.:30:09.

religion, he is enacting what he said he would do.

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Nobody should be surprised that he has acted in this way, which is more

:30:15.:30:20.

surprising that Theresa May did not raise these issues in the meeting.

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When he said to her there would be some sort of plan a refugee she did

:30:25.:30:27.

not probe further to ensure it would not impact UK citizens, which it

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did. On the subject of Britain 's nation Chibok Donald Trump, what to

:30:33.:30:34.

the great British public thing? -- Well, on the subject

:30:35.:30:40.

of Britain's relationship with Donald Trump, what do

:30:41.:30:41.

the Great British public think? Our Ellie has been out

:30:42.:30:44.

with the mighty moodbox. Welcome to wonderful Watford. Lovers

:30:45.:30:49.

in the. Special relationships are a question for today, what should the

:30:50.:30:53.

relationship be with Donald Trump, keep close all keep our distance?

:30:54.:31:00.

# Why do birds suddenly appear every time you are near?

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# Just like birds... Me, they long to be, close to you.

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I would like a close relationship, but not with Trump. We get close to

:31:22.:31:26.

him politically as much as we can, it would be good for the UK.

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Distance relationship. Why? I think he is an idiot. Distant, to

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be quite honest. All the laws he is trying to bring in and the human

:31:38.:31:42.

rights, we are human beings at the end of the day. Who are you speaking

:31:43.:31:55.

to? My mum, what do you think about Donald Trump, mum? I don't think we

:31:56.:31:57.

have ever done this by telephone before! Hard to say. She can stay on

:31:58.:32:05.

the phone. It is a bit of a thing and Watford. We should have a close

:32:06.:32:10.

relationship, keep an eye on what he is doing. Keep your friends close

:32:11.:32:15.

that your enemies closer, right? Do I detect an accent? West Brom?

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Watford. I don't think Theresa May knows what she is getting involved

:32:23.:32:29.

with, he is not right. We have to accent for people vote four, Trump

:32:30.:32:34.

was voted in. I think a lot of what he wants to do is for the good of

:32:35.:32:39.

the people. I don't think he is a good man for

:32:40.:32:43.

the world. Don't we need him for trade deals and stuff? No. We love

:32:44.:32:49.

him. Why do you love him? This was a mood

:32:50.:32:54.

box about the special relationship, although some want a close

:32:55.:32:58.

relationship, the overwhelming majority favour distance. Would be

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needing this, then! -- we won't be needing this.

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Obviously that is totally unscientific, as wonderful as it is.

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To go back to the discussion we had before, he won on a very clear

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campaign when it came to immigration, Angela, according to

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some polls, more Americans support the ban on refugees, Syrian

:33:24.:33:30.

refugees, and a ban on people coming from this designated countries. He

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is entitled to do what he has done. Yes, but he has to understand there

:33:35.:33:38.

will be criticism. Part of the problem is process as well as the

:33:39.:33:43.

decision. To say no refugees, to make people think he is somehow

:33:44.:33:47.

making them safer when there is no evidence, it is conning the public

:33:48.:33:52.

in the US. There was huge outpouring in the US as well. This is a sign of

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the presidency he will have, our relationship with Donald Trump, and

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I do not suggest that we do not have one, state visits are formal and

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very special and I am not sure he has earned the right yet. We had to

:34:08.:34:10.

look out for British interests and Theresa May fail to do that in their

:34:11.:34:14.

meeting last week. I would like to know more about what was discussed,

:34:15.:34:19.

and at all time she has to maintain British interests and maintain

:34:20.:34:25.

British values in meetings with him. Dan Hannan, did she hugged him to

:34:26.:34:29.

close? I think she got it right, it was not just a meeting with him, she

:34:30.:34:41.

established relationships with Mitch McConnell, Paul Aiton, other

:34:42.:34:43.

Republican leaders, the US has a divided and balanced constitution

:34:44.:34:45.

not just about one man. She was focused on British interests, she

:34:46.:34:48.

steered him in a direction much closer to what we wanted on torture,

:34:49.:34:54.

Nato, sanctions against Putin. It was not subordinate, it was an

:34:55.:34:58.

alliance between two old, serious democracies. She put her stamp on

:34:59.:35:02.

what the relationship should be. Her job is not to be a finger wagging

:35:03.:35:07.

nanny, it is to look after our interests and by implication the

:35:08.:35:11.

wider Western alliance, she has done that to the latter. That is about

:35:12.:35:15.

holding your enemies even closer, she was the first in the queue, the

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state visit might have been a weapon of diplomacy, she can to ferret, a

:35:24.:35:26.

date has not been put on it. It is not like the Queen has not

:35:27.:35:30.

entertained other controversial figures in the past. Theresa May

:35:31.:35:35.

went over there, it was a bit of a coup being first but I am not sure

:35:36.:35:39.

there was much of the queue with the European leaders. The relationship

:35:40.:35:44.

with Trump will be delicate. He is rather McCue real, not likely to

:35:45.:35:47.

stick to things he says one day and then changes the next. Did you want

:35:48.:35:54.

to criticise openly at the press conference? Before she had even

:35:55.:35:58.

landed in the UK he was taking decisions affecting UK national

:35:59.:36:04.

switch he had to clarify and change. Based in law it seems to be dubious,

:36:05.:36:08.

she did not say anything for too long. Being in the special

:36:09.:36:12.

relationship means being a critical friend, she has shied away from

:36:13.:36:15.

taking the action we would expect a British prime ministers to take.

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Thank you, Dan Hannan. Now, plans for the first phase

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of HS2, a new high speed rail line linking London and the north

:36:20.:36:22.

of England, are almost at the point After three years of shuttling

:36:23.:36:25.

between the Lords and the Commons, yesterday the High Speed Rail Bill

:36:26.:36:29.

survived a final It faces its third reading in the

:36:30.:36:37.

Lords today and could receive Royal assent later this month.

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The bill authorises the construction of the first section of track

:36:38.:36:40.

between London and Birmingham and sets certain precedents for how

:36:41.:36:42.

The first section is due to be completed in 2026.

:36:43.:36:48.

However, building the next section of the line will

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Critics call it a white elephant, saying the money could be better

:36:51.:36:58.

spent elsewhere and the project is already over-time

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But the Government maintains the scheme will provide vital

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capacity on already congested trains.

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I'm joined now by Antoinette Sandbach,

:37:12.:37:15.

the Conservative MP for Eddisbury - a constituency where part

:37:16.:37:18.

of the new high speed line will be built, and the Labour peer

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Andrew Adonis, a former Transport Secretary and one

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He now sits on the board. Welcome to you both. We are in the final phase

:37:24.:37:30.

of three and a half years of pretty painstaking Parliamentary work, the

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end for this first section of track is in sight, did you expect it to

:37:36.:37:41.

take this long? In terms of massive infrastructure, this is the largest

:37:42.:37:44.

infrastructure project in your, it has not taken that long. It was hard

:37:45.:37:48.

to get planning decisions through in less than three years. Looking at

:37:49.:37:51.

international high-speed rail schemes, only the Chinese have moved

:37:52.:37:56.

faster on a scheme of this scale, which is not necessarily a good

:37:57.:38:00.

president. It has been a very thorough Parliamentary process, all

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of those affected have put their case to the House of Commons and

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House of Lords, but it has moved with deliberate speed. If you look

:38:09.:38:11.

at other decisions like Heathrow, which we spent 40 years now, this is

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just a piece of tarmac, building another runway, high speed to... Not

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everybody would agree with that analysis. Berigaud high-speed two

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was 100 miles in the first phase and then another 200... People would say

:38:28.:38:31.

it is a long time for 100 miles of railway which will not be completed

:38:32.:38:38.

until 2026. This covers phase one between London and Birmingham, your

:38:39.:38:40.

constituency will not be affected by phase one but would be by the light

:38:41.:38:45.

extending north of that. What are your objections? They have not

:38:46.:38:50.

learned the lessons from phase one, they are making decisions without

:38:51.:38:54.

looking at the actual ground conditions that apply, and an

:38:55.:38:57.

independent expert report has indicated that there will be

:38:58.:39:03.

additional ?750 million worth of cost just in relation to 22

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plummeted as of track near my constituency. Because? -- 22

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kilometres of track. It is in an area at high risk of subs --

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subsidence. Has this been looked into, that the truck could think

:39:24.:39:28.

about point? I am not an engineer, this is a debate that needs to

:39:29.:39:33.

continue. Even just getting the first phase of HS2 up to Birmingham,

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it will be more years before it goes further north. It is about early

:39:44.:39:49.

engagement. HS2 were aware of the problems and heard from geologists

:39:50.:39:53.

early on and did not listen. This decision has taken over two years,

:39:54.:39:57.

and for a relatively small amount of money they could have used up to

:39:58.:40:01.

date data to look at subsidence issues, they could have had the

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information before making a decision. What is the point now,

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what is your campaign doing now? We are almost at the end of discussion

:40:11.:40:16.

on phase one. My campaign is to say that there is an alternative route

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Ludger Beerbaum shorter, it could be cheaper and has less construction

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issues. It is about HS2 listening and learning lessons that they did

:40:26.:40:28.

not learn on phase one which has led to the ballooning cost in this

:40:29.:40:33.

project we have gone from ?30 billion to estimates of over 55, on

:40:34.:40:40.

a conservative estimate, some estimating 82. So are you not

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listening to concerns? There is engagement on the issues to do with

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the detailed geological conditions. Would it be worth having a shorter

:40:51.:40:56.

route? The decision to change the route on the eastern lines was

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partly because it would lead to significant savings, these

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discussions need to continue. It is three years until beef than

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decisions are taken on the route north of Birmingham when legislation

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is produced, these are precisely the issues that need to be gone through.

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Issues like tenants who are not being compensated, there are real

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issues in relation to phase one of the route which will affect those on

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phase two. It is very important that those lessons are learned, that does

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not seem to be the case, which is white residents' Commissioner has

:41:30.:41:36.

been appointed. -- which is why a residence' commissioner. Residents

:41:37.:41:40.

in my area were not notified of local engagement. That has been

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rectified but it is a simple error. On geological conditions, my

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understanding is that HS2 is looking at these and there is time to get

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this right. It sounds like some concerns have been met and

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rectified, the Conservative MP Graham Evans in one constituency may

:41:59.:42:01.

bring yours has said it is worrying when a very small group of people

:42:02.:42:05.

from the tiniest sliver of one of the wealthiest areas in the country

:42:06.:42:09.

seek to threaten an infrastructure project which would benefit many in

:42:10.:42:14.

the country, that is your position? This is an independent risk --

:42:15.:42:18.

independent report which says there are geological issues which will

:42:19.:42:22.

affect it. Should you hold the whole project on the basis of that? I

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suggest that HS2 needs to go back to the original Wright assessment and

:42:29.:42:32.

look back at those original decisions in relation to the cost

:42:33.:42:37.

information that they now have. This is exactly the discussion which

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should take place at the moment. They have not been taking place.

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They are and they need to continue. In terms of the robustness, when

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people say we can't build big infrastructure and it is always

:42:52.:42:56.

mired in controversy and endless planning, the first phase of HS2

:42:57.:43:02.

shows that is not the case. Where there is a resolve to act and it is

:43:03.:43:06.

possible to get cross-party consensus when I launched it in the

:43:07.:43:12.

last Labour Government to the Royal assent, you can move. At what cost.

:43:13.:43:19.

Big adjustments have been made. What is the cost running to? The

:43:20.:43:25.

Institute of Economic Affairs estimate it at over 100 billion, the

:43:26.:43:30.

Department for Transport themselves estimate it at 55 billion. I should

:43:31.:43:39.

say that IEA is not an independent observer. A big issue we need to

:43:40.:43:46.

look at is the Treasury, when these projects come to fruition, puts in a

:43:47.:43:51.

very big buffer for what they call contingency, which pushes up the

:43:52.:43:54.

cost by more than a third from the original costs through to the end

:43:55.:43:58.

costs. My own view is that putting in such big allowances for

:43:59.:44:02.

contingency simply encourages inflation. We should not ignore the

:44:03.:44:10.

fact that the biggest infrastructure project in Europe is on track, about

:44:11.:44:13.

to become more and there will be diggers on the ground next year.

:44:14.:44:18.

You heard it here first, are you a fan? It was a Labour project in the

:44:19.:44:23.

first place, I am very enthusiastic, and it disappoints me that a

:44:24.:44:26.

Conservative peer was trying to stop it added very last hurdle, which is

:44:27.:44:31.

ironic given from what we heard from the Conservative Party. Are

:44:32.:44:39.

different subject. The Parliamentary processes have gone through on the

:44:40.:44:42.

engagement of this bill for three years, it is a huge bill. I

:44:43.:44:46.

understand there are constituency issues, the engagement we have next,

:44:47.:44:51.

that process continues, if we sat back all the time we would never get

:44:52.:44:55.

these things done at all and I pay enormous tribute to Andrew, who from

:44:56.:44:58.

the very beginning has wanted this project and been involved.

:44:59.:45:03.

Antoinette, as the plan stand would you vote against the Government when

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a bill for phase two comes to Parliament? As they stand, yes. The

:45:10.:45:14.

Public Accounts Committee, the National Audit Office, they have all

:45:15.:45:17.

questioned the delivery of this project, it is marked at Amber to

:45:18.:45:21.

read in terms of its benefit delivery, I don't understand why the

:45:22.:45:26.

Labour Party as an opposition party are not doing much deeper drilling

:45:27.:45:29.

down into the cost overruns that there clearly are and looking at

:45:30.:45:33.

whether or not this can deliver value for money. This is approved by

:45:34.:45:40.

the Conservative Party in opposition Government thank you.

:45:41.:45:44.

As we heard earlier, it's not just Labour

:45:45.:45:47.

and the Liberal Democrats looking to put down amendments

:45:48.:45:49.

With the five days of debate just beginning in the chamber,

:45:50.:45:53.

what about the other parties looking to get involved?

:45:54.:45:55.

And will they stand any more chance of success?

:45:56.:45:57.

We're joined now from Central Lobby by Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh,

:45:58.:46:01.

the SNP's trade spokesperson in Westminster, and

:46:02.:46:03.

Welcome to both of you. The SNP are putting down 50 amendments to this

:46:04.:46:19.

bill. There are only 50 SNP MPs. Is this a publicity stunt? How many of

:46:20.:46:24.

these amendments have been written? All of these have been written and

:46:25.:46:33.

not as a publicity stunt. The Scottish Parliament are the first to

:46:34.:46:40.

publish a plan for Theresa May. This is a very serious set of

:46:41.:46:44.

circumstances and we are going into this debate with the full name and

:46:45.:46:47.

ambition to get the best deal for Scotland and the whole of the United

:46:48.:46:51.

Kingdom, because it would appear to us and everybody watching, that the

:46:52.:46:55.

Prime Minister wants to escape any opportunity to debate these

:46:56.:46:59.

important issues. Is she running scared in your mind as well, Douglas

:47:00.:47:03.

Carswell, of these amendments which the Tories do not want to discuss?

:47:04.:47:10.

It is 4032 days since I was elected by my constituents on a promise of

:47:11.:47:14.

getting us out of the European Union and that process begins today. I

:47:15.:47:20.

believe we should get on with it. There is plenty of opportunity for

:47:21.:47:23.

us to debate the deal and have a vote on the deal. Today is not for

:47:24.:47:28.

us to frustrate the will of the people. I respect that Tasmina and

:47:29.:47:36.

others are against the verdict of the voters, but really, they should

:47:37.:47:39.

come clean and say that. They should not trying to hide behind

:47:40.:47:44.

parliamentary procedures. Douglas, we are not voting on a deal. We do

:47:45.:47:49.

not have a deal. We are voting on whether to invoke Article 50 in the

:47:50.:47:53.

absence of a deal. Because there is no white paper of course everyone

:47:54.:48:02.

has found reason to table a multitude of and amendments for

:48:03.:48:04.

questions which remain unanswered. Today is not the day for detail

:48:05.:48:08.

about the deal which may or may may not be negotiated. Today is about

:48:09.:48:14.

who we begin the process, do we honour and respect the verdict of

:48:15.:48:18.

the voters? To pretend that somehow there is an opportunity to discuss

:48:19.:48:22.

some of the wider issues, I would personally like to see a liberal

:48:23.:48:25.

Brexit and I have plenty to say on that, but I do think now we need to

:48:26.:48:29.

get on with it and begin that process in triggering Article 50 and

:48:30.:48:36.

making good on the referendum outcome. Let's have a look at one of

:48:37.:48:39.

the amendments with the SNP. One is that if no deal can be reached then

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the EU should stay -- the UK should stay in the EU on the same terms,

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that is hardly what was voted on? The Prime Minister said parliament

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can vote at the end of the process on the final deal. But what if we

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don't agree the final deal, then what happens? We are still going to

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have to come out of the EU because the two-year process will be at an

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end so effectively it is a fate company. What we are saying is we

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want agreement from the European Union should

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we not reach an agreement, at the very least we should be able to get

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back to where we were at the start? Is that realistic that that would

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happen, Douglas Carswell? It is probably not a great strategy to say

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if you don't offer us better terms we will take the terms that we have

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got. The SNP said they would publish its 50 amendments before the bill

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had been published. I suspect it sounded like a good idea when they

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decided what to do about this but ultimately, the majority of people,

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just as the majority of people in Scotland voted to remain, though

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majority of people in the UK voted to leave the EU and I don't think

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politicians should frustrate that. Guy Verhofstadt, the chief

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negotiator on behalf of the European Parliament said he wants the UK to

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remain in the single market and that is the SNP and liberal policy as

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well, but if this bill is passed and Theresa May Texas out of the single

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market, when will your second independence referendum be?

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Regarding Theresa May's single market statement, it took six months

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to reach that position so I think is fair to say she was not sure if that

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was the best position for the whole of the UK. Nicola Sturgeon and the

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Scottish Government have presented a compromise position, which is the

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whole of the UK does not remain in the single market, then at the very

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least Scotland should be able to do so. We wait to hear from Theresa May

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about whether she is prepared to take that deal to the table and

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whether she wants to be Prime Minister for the whole of the United

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Kingdom. But it remains in Nicola Sturgeon's remit to decide whether

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the next stage is for Scotland have an independence referendum and that

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has been at the forefront since the day the European Union result was

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declared. She is the First Minister of Scotland and it is her duty to

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make sure what the people of Scotland said and make it a reality.

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Theresa May has been clear that we would come out of the single market.

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She has said she would listen to the voices of the other devolved

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parliaments but even after said they would not allow Scotland to remain

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unless it was an independent country. There are many people who

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have made comments but negotiations have not begun. I think it is fair

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to say at the very least the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

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should give the Scottish Government and the other devolved parliaments

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and tell them this is what she is going to do. Douglas Carswell, have

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you got any amendments you would like to put down? No, I think we

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should just get on with it. There are lots of things we need to

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oversee and scrutinised but we can do that when we have more detail.

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The truth is, we will not see a lot of detail until after the German

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elections. Then we have a ten month window that we can scrutinise. I

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want us to have a liberal Brexit and have a good relationship with the

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EU. I think we can do that and Parliament can scrutinise that.

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Today is not the data do that. You are hardly holding the government to

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as Ukip are supposed to be doing, you sound like you are the totally

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signed up to Theresa May and what she's doing? I think I helped write

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her script so I will make sure she reads it faithfully and accurately.

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This is what people voted for. I think I was on your show in the

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run-up to the referendum and either you or Andrew Neil asked if this

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meant coming out of the single market and I said it did. Again and

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again and again we are seeing politicians trying to use procedure

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to frustrate the will of the people. That has been no consistency over

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the single market argument at all. We are heading for a hard Brexit.

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That is not what the whole of the UK voted for. That is a direction that

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Theresa May will take us fast and furious, and we will make sure we

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get the best deal for the whole of the UK. Tasmina you are going to

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stay with us. Douglas Carswell, I am slightly worried that you cannot

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tell the difference between me and Andrew Neil! Was that Douglas

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Carswell wanting to join the Conservative Party? We will leave

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that there. Now, MPs are often accused

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of being a rowdy lot, with the Speaker urging members

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to calm themselves so the person But yesterday - in the midst

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of a heated debate on new US immigration rules -

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the noises were more bizarre than usual, and a point

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of order was raised. Let's have a listen

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to what was said. I find myself in the unfortunate

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position of having to make this point of order,

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to which I've given you prior notice and, indeed, I've given the right

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honourable member from Mid Sussex During my response from the SNP

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benches to the Foreign Secretary's statement, I understand

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that the right honourable member from Mid Sussex,

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who has always afforded me courtesy and respect, was making

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"woof-woof" sounding noises to what I was saying,

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which I find, of course, This is an opportunity, Mr Speaker,

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for yourself as chair, if that's not the case,

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for the right honourable member And if it is, in fact, the case,

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perhaps for you, Mr Speaker, to rule whether that is,

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indeed, in order. I thank the honourable lady

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for her point of order and for giving me the courtesy

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advance notice of it. The right honourable gentleman

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is in his place and, of course, I would want to hear

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from the right honourable gentleman. Mr Speaker, I, like you,

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thank the honourable lady for her kindness in warning

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that she was going I thought that in her question

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to the Foreign Secretary she snapped at him a bit at the end,

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so I offered her a friendly No offence was intended,

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and I apologise to the honourable And Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh

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is still with us. We asked Nicholas Soames for an

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interview that he was unavailable. Probably not a surprise. I suppose,

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Tasmina, in the House as you know, when it does get heated, there is a

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lot of noise and sometimes abusive comments and rude remarks were

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thrown around. Was this worse than you had experienced before? This is

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our place of work. I am a woman MP and it is not acceptable but abusive

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remarks are thrown around the chamber. We should be able to

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represent our constituents without having to face this. This has been

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going on for too long and last night was the last straw. It is disgusting

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for someone to make woof-woof noises and quite frankly I have had enough

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of it. Were you pleased that the speaker took it up and it was

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discussed in the House. First of all Nicholas Soames said if I was

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offended, of course I was offended! I wish the speaker had gone further

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and reminded the House and that how people are expected to behave and we

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should afford courtesy. We have many young people who come and visit the

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house of parliament. What on earth must they think about the kind of

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place this is if they think it is possible and people can conduct

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themselves in such a way? Women always find themselves at the

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receiving end of increased noise when they are speaking. It is about

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time people have listened to what we have to say and give us the respect

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we give others. That has been a lot of criticism about the unruly

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behaviour and the rudeness and particularly some of the remarks

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that are directed at women MPs. There was one such remark from Alex

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Salmond, your close colleague. He is obviously the former leader of the

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SNP who told Anna Soubry, a Tory MP to behave, woman, when she was in a

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debate. Is that also acceptable? It is fair to say in that respect that

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was a friendly exchange. Alex Salmond is 100% feminist. But is it

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right to talk in what could be seen as a condescending way. He said it

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couple of times, behave woman, and she took offence at the time. In

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general terms we should all conduct ourselves properly in the chamber

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and there is no cause for remarks which make that work place an

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uncomfortable place to be. We are talking specifically about an issue

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yesterday which is really the icing on the cake of so many things that

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women MPs have to face and quite frankly, it has to come to an end.

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Tasmina, thank you for joining us today.

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There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz.

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The question was what did a member of the Treasury's wellbeing work

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stream think could be a hazard to their colleagues health?

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Was it the Chancellor's fiscal statements?

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I personally think the first one is the most dangerous one, the

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Chancellor's Autumn Statement, but I think it is cake. It is! We have

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decided to break with any edict to ban cake and have our own well-being

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work stream for the Daily Politics. I will offer you a piece in a

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moment. I am not even trusted with a proper knife! I only have this

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problem on. I am very partial to cake. We make them in our office and

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share them around. Thank you for being the guest of the day. I will

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be back tomorrow at 11:30am with Andrew when there will be no cake

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left but we will cover prime ministers questions. Bye-bye.

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To be in the Lords, you have to be punctual...

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Sometimes you really do literally have to slam the door

:59:06.:59:09.

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