07/02/2017 Daily Politics


07/02/2017

Jo Coburn is joined by Camilla Cavendish to discuss John Bercow's opposition to Donald Trump speaking in parliament, and the government's strategy for building new homes.


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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics

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Commons speaker John Bercow has sharply divided opinion, again,

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by banning Donald Trump from Parliament over

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The government's publishing plans to fix what ministers say

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is a broken housing market in England,

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with "failures at every point in the system",

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MPs are gearing up for another day debating the bill that will steer

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So far the government has seen off all challenges,

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but will it survive crucial challenges

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And we'll take you inside Theresa May's

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Ten Downing Street, well sort of, with our guide

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to the people who work behind the most famous front door

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All that in the next hour and I'm joined for all of it

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by Camilla Cavendish, she's a journalist who went

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on to work for David Cameron at Number ten, and she now sits

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Last year she was, according to the Telegraph, the 31st most

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My nomination papers must have got lost in the post again.

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First today, let's talk about the statement by House

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of Commons speaker John Bercow that's causing a bit of a stir.

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Mr Bercow was asked about a parliamentary motion

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which has so far been signed by 189 opposition Mps deploring, it says,

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the actions of US president Donald Trump and asking that he be

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barred from addressing Parliament when he makes his state visit

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Government sources quoted in this morning's papers say the White House

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has given no indication that Mr Trump wants to address

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Parliament, but Mr Bercow has made it clear that isn't going to happen.

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We value our relationship with the United States, if a state visit

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takes place, that is way beyond and above the pay grade of the speaker.

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However, as far as this place is concerned, I feel very strongly that

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our opposition to racism and to sexism and our support for equality

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before the law and an independent judiciary are hugely important

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considerations in the House of Commons. John Bercow finishing with

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a hard stare at the Tory benches, where he once sat.

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the Conservative MP Alec Shelbrooke, and by the co-leader

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You the idea that Parliament is there to be able to pimp out buy the

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Prime Minister to whomever they would like. This is premature. The

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opportunity to speak in the hall has not been clarified by potentially, I

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think absolutely sends out all the wrong signs. Theresa May primping

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out Parliament in terms of the state visit and the offer of Donald Trump

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addressing parliament, is that how you see it? Not at all, let me say

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at the start, I don't support some of the policies of Donald Trump and

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I personally feel that his attitude to women is unacceptable, there is

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many world leaders whose politics I find to be unacceptable, as I

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understand it, an invitation has not even been requested, it is a

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hypothetical argument and at this stage slightly unnecessary. What I

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find... What I don't quite understand is that the speaker said

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it was an honour to introduce the mayor of Kuwait, a country that

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jails people for seven years for being gay, a country that represses

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women, a country that bans is rabies from entering. I would have thought

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that the comments against racism and sexism would fit that as well, where

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is the consistency? -- a country that bands due is -- bans Jewish

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people from entering. We will have a listen in a moment, not exactly

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known for not being oppressive offer their human rights freedoms.

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Certainly not, I am not here as an apologist for John Bercow's previous

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decisions but I'm talking about the decision made yesterday, with the

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president of China he did raise human rights concerns, I don't know

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if that is true, but we are talking about a particular honour of

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Westminster Hall, which has with it all the trappings of a state visit

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and it is envy not appropriate, not just Parliament saying that, due to

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numbers out of the country say that well. John Bercow did that, he

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bestowed the honour on the two leaders I have mentioned, let's have

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a look. You'll visit here today, Mr president, reinforces the links

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between the United Kingdom and China. -- your visit. Those links

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are social. As well as economic and political. And they are all the

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stronger for that. This trip should provide the means for both sides to

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come to understand one another better. You are in many ways the

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personification and the very welcome personification at that of a

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changing country in changing times. We are very pleased indeed that you

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are with us here today. A fact I hope the nature and enthusiasm of

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your gathering make very clear. How is it justifiable to deny the

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democratically elected leader of our closest ally the same sort of

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honour? First of all, it is a detail, but that is not the same

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location we are talking about, second of all, I don't want to

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apologise for what John Bercow is doing, I don't think the language

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used was particularly inappropriate... If you were trying

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to make an argument you would say that with the Chinese, what he is

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trying to do is make stronger links with a country that for many decades

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has been very repressive. With the US, what we are trying to do is send

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a signal to our closest ally, whom we have worked with on so many

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issues from climate change through to trying to tackle the war on

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terror and so on, what we are trying to do is try to send a different

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signal. The reason we invite these people from very important nations

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and give them chances to address the house is that we want to have

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influence. We can all find things to criticise about Donald Trump but the

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fact is we have a very good relationship with the US and need to

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maintain it and need to have the influence on the things that matter.

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I think there is a lot of areas where we would all want our country

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to be able to influence him and his country. To be quite honest, given

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that is the position we have taken with China, John Bercow is

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grandstanding. Is he overstepping the mark? It says that he should act

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with authority and with impartiality, is this impartial? No

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it is not, this is the crux of the matter, what people's opinions of

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Donald Trump are, they are a side issue, I think at that time, when

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Donald Trump is building walls, it is better to build bridges, we are

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putting balls up around Westminster. He has not acted in partially.

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Therefore, it is difficult to command the respect, because the

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speaker should not have got involved in this. I want to remove the issue

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of Donald Trump and take this as well, I don't understand why he did

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what he did, along with many other colleagues, very angry that he has

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undermined the chair. He was asked a question by a Labour MP, he replied,

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he stood up in a way that many of us wish our Prime Minister had done to

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somebody that is essentially a racist bigot. He said those words.

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The Tories have been trying to get rid of John Bercow for years and

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years, you cannot believe your luck. He has not acted impartially, he has

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brought the chair into disrepute, and the issues you mention, I don't

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disagree with you, there are real problems, he is a man who openly

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says that his advantage is that he has never been in politics and is

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not a politician and at this stage it is more important than ever that

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countries like Britain, proud record in talking to people around the

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world, actually bring them along... Build bridges, don't build walls...

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Hold hands...? Isn't he supposed to be a referee, somebody who oversees

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and is above the sort of statement that he made yesterday...? In

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domestic politics, absolutely right, when there is such controversy,

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personally right for entries eked out for parliament. He could have

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chosen to argue that it is much too early, Barack Obama did not have a

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state visit to the first six months, he did not choose to argue that, he

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went on racism and sexism to get headlines, that is unfortunate. Much

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more legitimate argument that he could have made. Is it important he

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makes a stand, he feels passionately about it, MPs like Caroline Lucas

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are applauded him for it, isn't it brave of him to stand up and say

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things that many MPs feel? That is not his role, I think his role is to

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chair independently and he has not represented the views of those of us

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who do not agree with the policies of Donald Trump and you'll love the

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way to tackle those is to act by persuasion, to be an honest friend

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and... Let's take an example, ten days before the Prime Minister met

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him, he said he felt later was obsolete, after the meeting with the

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Prime Minister, he said he had 100% support for Nato, discussions took

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place, merits put forward. There are many issues from a man who says he

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has never been in politics, that we have to work with... That is about

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mature, responsible politics. Isn't it true, you say the Tories have

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wanted to get rid of John Bercow and you want to put pressure on Theresa

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May as the Prime Minister, to try to embarrass, following the with Donald

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Trump and this plays into it? This is about Parliament flexing its

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muscles, what we have seen over the last few days and weeks is a Prime

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Minister refusing Parliament any right to have a say over the

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"Brexit" process. The amendment going through at the moment being

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rolled over, so... You are using this as a stick to beat the

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government. I think it is right that Parliament stands up. My greatest

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concern is that this is against the democratically elected leader of the

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United States, a democratic process in the house, and when a Democratic

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process doesn't give you the results you want, you want to ignore it. We

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have talked about the tiny 's premier, and also the leader in

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Indonesia, but people who have addressed Parliament have been

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Nelson Mandela, Ang sank Su Chi, does... The Pope... Does President

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Trump really merit the same as some people? They have addressed

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Westminster Hall, and an invitation has not been suggested. John Bercow

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was acting on a hypothetical situation. -- Aung San Suu Kyi. I do

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not agree with the premise of the question, he has been invited on a

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state visit, as I understand it, the address to parliamentarians... The

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palace... This is about the office of the President of the United

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States. The Prime Minister rushing to the United States to try to make

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a wick fix, because she is without friends after "Brexit". Should

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reconsider his position? Absolutely, news not acting independently, the

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very fact we are having this conversation today on a political

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issue brought about by the speaker shows that he is no longer able to

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independently chaired and have support and respect across the whole

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of the House of Commons, it is important but -- unfortunate but his

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position is untenable. The question for today is also

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about Commons speaker John Bercow. As well as barring Donald Trump,

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yesterday he also announced the end of what he called a "stuffy"

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parliamentary tradition. a) The ceremonial mace

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b) bowing to the Speaker c) The snuff box for MPs,

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or d) the wigs worn by clerks? At the end of the show Camilla

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will give us the correct answer. Now let's turn to yesterday's

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Commons debate on the Article 50 bill, the legislation

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which will allow Theresa May to begin the process of taking

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the UK out of the European Union. It was the first day of the bill's

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committee stage and opposition politicians tabled a series

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of amendments, defeated with a fairly robust

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government majority. Here's Theresa May addressing Mps

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at the start of the day. message is clear to all, this house

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has spoken, and now is not the time to obstruct the democratically

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expressed wishes of the British people.

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Well so far the Prime Minister is getting her way,

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because the Commons has, so far, rejected all

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of the proposed amendments to the Article 50 bill.

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There were four votes last night: New Clause three

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was a Labour amendement, backed by Lib Dems nationalists

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and the Green MP, which would have forced the PM to make regular

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It was opposed by the vast majority of Tories, Ulster unionists and four

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New Clause four was another proposal by Labour that that ministers seek

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to reach a consensus with the devolved administrations

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to reach a consensus with the devolved administrations

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New Clause 26 was an SNP amendment requiring ministers

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from the devolved administrations to agree a joint approach to Brexit

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negotiations before Article 50 could be triggered.

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Only 62 MPs supported this with 332 against.

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New Clause 158 was the Plaid Cymru amendment calling for a report

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on the financial effect on Wales of Brexit.

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and today MPs will turn to the all-important issue

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of when parliament will get to vote on the Brexit deal.

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We're joined now by one MP who's tabled an amendment on the subject,

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and the Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg.

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Chris Leslie, what is your amendment? I have quite a few but

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one in particular that may have some interest from what you may call not

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just Labour or SNP and the Lib Dems but more moderate conservatives who

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are concerned about saving some of our access to the single market and

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so one, 110, new clause, I hope that people are keeping track...

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Basically making sure that Parliament has a meaningful vote on

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the final deal, before the end of the negotiations. Not just in

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advance of the European Parliament or the European Commission but also

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on the new relationship. Not just a new treaty, but whatever the

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relationship may be. If there is no deal, Parliament should still get a

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say, and it is important to make sure that we can have a role and a

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say, in the negotiations as they proceed. It does not look good so

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far, if you look at last night, four votes for, and four votes for the

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opposition. What do you think will get through? It is up to the

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Conservative MPs, predominantly to make up the numbers. We do not have

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enough on opposition benches alone. But there are signs that there are

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concerns about Parliament's role here. I think that it would be quite

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strange for the Supreme Court to have said, yes, Parliament holds the

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key and has sovereignty here to have it snapped back to the Prime

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Minister's hands alone without a Parliamentary oversight properly

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over the negotiation process. You are a great believer in

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Parliamentary sovereignty, why shouldn't Parliament, you and your

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colleagues in the House of Commons, have a say on the deal before the

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end? New clause 110 is constitutionally flawed. The

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judgment from the Supreme Court made it clear that the courts can only

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understand from Parliament legislation that votes in parliament

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on motions have no legal standing, because proceedings in parliament

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cannot be presented in any court. New clause 110 only asks for a vote

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in parliament, that has no legal effect or standing. It is

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constitutionally a failed amendment and what it needs to do to achieve

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its objective is require agriculture choir primary legislation or a

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statutory instrument to be passed to get that objective. It would be

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foolish to vote for it. In terms of scrutiny we have a simple system

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where the executive needs to maintain the confidence of the

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legislator, the House of Commons primarily, if it is to remain in

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office. The executive needs to report back to Parliament and the

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Prime Minister answers questions every week. That will go on

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throughout the process. It's not the same as the scrutiny that Chris

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Leslie is talking about, and your colleagues would like to see given

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to Parliament, like Anna Soubry, they would like to have the chance

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to affect the deal put in front of them. If they spent any time looking

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at Parliamentary scrutiny in recent years, they would be aware the

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European scrutiny committee sends documents to be scrutinised, in the

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floor of the house or in the committee, it will continue with all

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documents launched with the EU. You have already had ample opportunity

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to debate the Brexit bill and what will happen. Again, isn't this an

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attempt to frustrate the passage of Article 50? In the end, for someone

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like you, Chris Leslie, unashamedly voting for Remain committee want to

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do things like keep the UK in the single market Russia yes, we have to

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accept a referendum -- in the single market? This is about not just

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accepting a sheepish consultative pat on the head, but distinguishing

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between consultation and consent of Parliament. We need agreement from

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Parliament to make sure that if there is a draft deal, we are not

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just watching it on the screens where MEPs get a vote on it. British

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MPs need to go back to constituents and see what the final arrangement

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should be, Deal or no Deal. But it is quite telling that people talking

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about Parliamentary scrutiny cannot even draft an amendment that meets

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basic constitutional norms... Let Chris answer on that technical

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basis. If Parliament chooses to put in an act of Parliament that it

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wants to have the express approval of Parliament through a motion in

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both houses, as it has done on other occasions, it is perfectly lawful to

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do so. It contradicts the bill of rights which is a fundamental act of

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hours. Will it have the chance of getting through? Let me ask, I

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wonder if people watching would wonder, what happens if the

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amendment is passed? Joe suggested that a lot of people remaining would

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like to derail the process, that is not what you want but you want to

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say on the final deal. Can you talk us through what it would mean

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practically? Let's say that Theresa May gets a bad deal and decides that

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she would rather go with the World Trade Organisation, and Parliament

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has a vote on it, are using that you would go back to your constituents

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and say the WTO is not that great, what happens? Would we be in a

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Brexit Purgatory from that point? I think this is an amendment that is

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helpful to the government. In her 12 points, Theresa May set 12

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objectives in the White Paper, she said that there would be no cliff

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edge, we would not fall out, that is the policy of the government. If

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Parliament do not have a final say there would be no way of holding her

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properly to account and negotiate that good deal, go and do that. So

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we get to the end of 18 months, sorry to interrupt... Parliament

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should be able to say, please, Theresa May, go back and... That and

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you trying to rerun the referendum? Absolutely not, we are trying to get

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the best deal for Britain, we cannot redo it. We are trying to leave but

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we have to bring Parliament with us because they are sovereign in the

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Constitution, we are accountable to constituents and this was not on the

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ballot paper. It was yes or no, leave the EU. I am very sympathetic

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to that, but we also need to be smart about how negotiations happen.

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Sure. And the other 27 over there who do not want to give us anything,

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they may see it as a get out clause? What will they offer us if they know

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perfectly well the majority of Parliament for rerunning it? It's

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quite useful for the lead negotiator, the Prime Minister, to

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say, look over my shoulder, Parliament is there, they want a

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better deal! A lot of businesses do that.

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Let's move on to the fate of EU nationals. That is something that a

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lot of your Brexiteer colleagues working that they would be

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guaranteed, and they have not been. Do you still think it is right to

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use the fate of EU nationals here as bargaining chips? I've always been

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in favour of EU nationals being told that they can stay, that is

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important in the position. The Great Repeal Bill will maintain all of the

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current rights of EU nationals, and it would require a new act of

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Parliament to take any of those away, and I do not think it is

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possible to get through an act of Parliament that would take it away.

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But it is not the same as guaranteeing it, is it, Jacob

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Rees-Mogg? If you are an EU national you are worried about your future...

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New governments can always change what previous government have done,

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that is the basic principle of our democratic system. So there can be

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deported? That is inconceivable but the law proposed by the current

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government is that the Great Repeal Bill will maintain all of the rights

:24:09.:24:12.

they currently have, and there will be further legislation on

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immigration from the EU. There is no threat to EU nationals at this

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point. Isn't that true? That is the reality, even if, as Jacob Rees-Mogg

:24:22.:24:25.

says, that technically you could have a position where they roll back

:24:26.:24:28.

on rights of EU nationals and they could be deported but it would

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happen, will it? Let's hope not, you are probably right, it's difficult

:24:34.:24:37.

to see those circumstances but the uncertainty hanging over the heads

:24:38.:24:40.

of not just tens of thousands but hundreds of thousands of people

:24:41.:24:44.

here, it is stressful and debilitating, and unnecessary. We

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should not have to wait for the Great Repeal Bill which could be six

:24:48.:24:51.

months, one year away. We have a bill before Parliament now, possibly

:24:52.:24:55.

going through in a matter of weeks. A simple amendment, a simple clause,

:24:56.:25:00.

making it clear. What is the harm in doing that now? And what is the

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harm? It would play into Theresa May's claim of being a unifying

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Prime Minister. It is a shame that Angela Merkel is refusing and

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immediate deal. And what about Theresa May standing up and doing

:25:15.:25:18.

it? I am in favour, everybody should stay and not worry, the Home Office

:25:19.:25:23.

can barely deport five criminals at the end of their sentences, the idea

:25:24.:25:27.

that they can deport 3 million people is bonkers and people should

:25:28.:25:31.

know that will not happen. In terms of unifying the issue that she wants

:25:32.:25:36.

to bring two sides together, if she wants to steam-roll Parliament over

:25:37.:25:39.

an issue like giving a meaningful vote, to use the phrase that Chris

:25:40.:25:44.

Leslie used, in the end, it is going to play against exactly what she is

:25:45.:25:47.

trying to achieve, to bring a country together? The meaningful

:25:48.:25:53.

vote was on the 23rd of June last year, Saint adult birds day, that

:25:54.:25:54.

will go down in history. -- Saint . A lot of people who voted for

:25:55.:26:09.

remain want the ability implemented. Your character formers would be

:26:10.:26:12.

charming if it was not such a serious issue. What we do have to do

:26:13.:26:16.

is to make sure that Parliament has an ability to express its view and

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yes, if it is inconvenient, sent the Prime Minister back and say, get a

:26:23.:26:27.

better deal, if possible. And not be worried about sparing her blushes! I

:26:28.:26:37.

shall let you to continue this discussion outside! -- I shall let

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you two. Communities Secretary Sajid Javid

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is about to publish the government's white paper on housing in England,

:26:45.:26:46.

with plans to get developers building and tackle the historic

:26:47.:26:49.

shortage of new housing. Andy Slaughter of labour is in the

:26:50.:26:54.

Central lobby now. What is your response to the White Paper in

:26:55.:26:59.

general? It is an extraordinarily feeble document, it lets down people

:27:00.:27:02.

who want to own their own homes, private sector tenants, and people

:27:03.:27:09.

in the council housing association, the government has a terrible record

:27:10.:27:13.

on housing, where a number of homeowners has fallen by 200,000 and

:27:14.:27:18.

council tenants has fallen by 150,000 which will make the

:27:19.:27:21.

situation worse for those groups of people. Really, this has been

:27:22.:27:26.

delayed by months, we have waited a long time and had so much promise.

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It is such a let down and it's a big issue for people around the country,

:27:32.:27:34.

the biggest issue in my constituency. I've come from a

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meeting with BA cabin crew staff in my constituency who start on ?12,000

:27:40.:27:43.

per year. The average house price last year was ?944,000, nothing in

:27:44.:27:49.

the White Paper will help those people at all the young couple who

:27:50.:27:51.

came to see me in surgery yesterday, with steady jobs and they can access

:27:52.:27:59.

no forms of housing. Grant Shapps, the former Housing Minister, joined

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us here in the studio. You may have heard what Andy Slaughter was

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saying, it is feeble and has been delayed for months, the number of

:28:09.:28:10.

homeowners has fallen and people feel let down, what do you say?

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There is not a simple solution, I'm interested to hear what Andy thinks

:28:17.:28:19.

it would be, I was housing minister and over the years, Housing

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ministers have come up with documents and bills and the truth

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is, none of them will make much difference. I do not suppose this

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will make much difference either. Is it possible to be radical? The

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reason is, unless you literally build two or 3 million more homes.

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About why can it not be done? You won't solve the problem. Take Andy's

:28:39.:28:44.

constituency, a great example. Its urban, in Hammersmith and pretty

:28:45.:28:47.

urban, there is no space to build hundreds of thousands of new homes,

:28:48.:28:52.

what you have to do, if we are genuinely to solve the problem, is

:28:53.:28:55.

building parts of the country that much, much less dense in terms of

:28:56.:29:00.

housing at the moment, you probably need to build ten or 15 brand-new

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towns of 100,000, unless we do that, we won't solve it. Do you agree,

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that in the end, because of successive governments, because they

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have not built enough homes, and that has been Labour and

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Conservative, we are in a position where it is impossible to do what is

:29:22.:29:26.

necessary to radically change the outcome is for the housing market? I

:29:27.:29:32.

agree that this might help, I agree with Grant on that! But take my

:29:33.:29:38.

constituency, there are plans to build 50,000 new homes over the next

:29:39.:29:44.

20-30 years, 24,000 are on the HS2 site, and in West Kensington. The

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problem is, they are things like starter homes which need an income

:29:49.:29:52.

of ?90,000, or there is no affordable housing at all.

:29:53.:29:58.

It is not just numbers, we can actually build in London and

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elsewhere. I agree it is not only a London issue but we need to build

:30:02.:30:06.

houses that people can afford. That is terrible to say it is not

:30:07.:30:10.

possible. We will come onto the issue of affordable housing but

:30:11.:30:13.

let's follow with Grant Shapps's theme that you cannot build a number

:30:14.:30:17.

of homes quickly enough to radically altered the situation for thousands

:30:18.:30:22.

of people. As a result of that, do you think it is then true that the

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Tory government is abandoning, if not completely in practice, but

:30:27.:30:29.

certainly from a rhetorical point of view, the home not cover -- home

:30:30.:30:32.

owning democracy? I do think actually we have been

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slipping the wrong way with this one, I was housing minister,

:30:43.:30:47.

possibly my fault, the truth is, over many years, over decades, we

:30:48.:30:51.

have not had the foresight to do what's required and what's required

:30:52.:30:55.

is, I represent a new town but also a garden City, whirlwind garden

:30:56.:30:59.

city, if you want to solve the housing crisis, you have got to go

:31:00.:31:04.

out and build new garden cities, not... We had an announcement of

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2000 3000 homes, not that scale, a proper, hundreds out and people. --

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2000, 3000 homes. We need hundreds of thousands, places that are not

:31:16.:31:20.

housing at all. -- Welwyn Garden City. Unless we get serious, we will

:31:21.:31:24.

not solve it by sourcing a few extra homes in converted former industrial

:31:25.:31:30.

estates. It would make a start. We need something far more radical.

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House prices are eight times the average earnings in the UK, even if

:31:35.:31:37.

you built a large number of houses, 50,000, articulate inexpensive areas

:31:38.:31:43.

like London and the south-east, Andy is right, what is needed is social

:31:44.:31:49.

housing, or affordable housing, that really is affordable. We need our

:31:50.:31:52.

whole lot of different things, one thing we need to do, which we have

:31:53.:31:57.

failed to do in London, is stop foreign buyers who do not live in

:31:58.:32:00.

these houses buying up swathes of London, getting worse with the

:32:01.:32:04.

exchange rate, that seems to me to be ridiculous, we have empty

:32:05.:32:07.

building sitting there. That is something the Treasury should be

:32:08.:32:10.

doing tomorrow. We can also speed up. I am more confident about being

:32:11.:32:15.

able to speed up the process, we have developers sitting on large

:32:16.:32:18.

swathes of land, as I and down it, the White Paper will say that

:32:19.:32:21.

planning permission will lapse after two years if they don't get on with

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it. You will be support for smaller builders to come in and do something

:32:28.:32:30.

more innovative. Perhaps they will be filling in the sights. Enormous

:32:31.:32:34.

amounts of public sector land that we are not using properly which for

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various reasons within... I can see this being nodded at, within

:32:40.:32:43.

government departments, for various reasons, we can release them, basic

:32:44.:32:49.

things in the system. Both these things can help but let me put

:32:50.:32:52.

numbers on them, if we dealt with every single empty home in the

:32:53.:32:55.

country, 200,000, every bit of government land, that is reasonably

:32:56.:33:01.

available, 100,000, another 200,000 maybe. What we need do is to solve

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and ring down house prices, we need to 3 million homes built, and all

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these measures are welcome, and in Andy's consistency, more building on

:33:12.:33:17.

Brown field sites. -- constituency. There is a fundamental problem, not

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the extent to which you subsidise and help one group and the rest pay

:33:21.:33:23.

more because then you have to pay more. That is what has happened, the

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government... What you have to do instead of that is solve the supply

:33:29.:33:32.

and demand issue and you don't do that with little measures...

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Inevitably... We have smaller measures... Grant Shapps has

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admitted it will have a smaller impact, what would you do, would you

:33:43.:33:47.

intervene, if you were in government, would you intervene

:33:48.:33:50.

dramatically to bring down house prices, to boost supplies, so that

:33:51.:33:55.

builders and developers don't get quite the profits they get at the

:33:56.:33:59.

moment? This is a huge missed opportunity, this is what should be

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in the White Paper: council should be able to spend some of the

:34:03.:34:05.

receipts they get from right to buy, they should be able to borrow so

:34:06.:34:09.

they can build genuinely affordable houses within housing associations.

:34:10.:34:14.

In private renting we should have three year tenancies, so that people

:34:15.:34:17.

have security, and can cut down on homelessness and profiteering. What

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we should do, which is what the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, is

:34:23.:34:27.

doing, access to home ownership by having what he calls London living

:34:28.:34:33.

rent, so that rent is only a third of incomes, so they have some

:34:34.:34:38.

ability to save towards deposits. You were housing minister, why

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didn't you do some of this, why have you only come to this conclusion

:34:43.:34:45.

now, do you have to be in the job to realise you cannot do anything about

:34:46.:34:49.

it, or, as Andy Slaughter says, you don't want to do? Hundreds of people

:34:50.:34:52.

on the airwaves over the last two days talking about how insecurities

:34:53.:34:57.

in the private renting sector, they cannot get secure tenancy, moving

:34:58.:35:02.

dozens of times over a period of years, landlords making huge

:35:03.:35:05.

profits, with developers are the ones making money, small

:35:06.:35:09.

landlords... Why didn't you tackle these things? There is an advantage

:35:10.:35:13.

into perspective, looking back, you see some of the same ideas coming

:35:14.:35:17.

back. The ideas in the White Paper and the ideas presented by Andy

:35:18.:35:21.

there, some of them may help, there is no reason why you cannot have

:35:22.:35:25.

three year tenancies at the moment but what I have come to realise is

:35:26.:35:27.

none of these things individually are actually going to relieve the

:35:28.:35:33.

real pressure. Do nothing? No, do much more, that is my argument. An

:35:34.:35:41.

argument that we need, as will the Garden City has produced. Take a new

:35:42.:35:44.

area, decide to build a new community. -- Welwyn Garden City.

:35:45.:35:51.

Get to the kind of numbers that will create a big difference. The ideas

:35:52.:35:55.

in the paper are fine, Andy's ideas are fine, but in five years we will

:35:56.:35:58.

be sat here having the same argument again, it will not bring down prices

:35:59.:36:04.

to a point at which this incredible commodity, so important, your house,

:36:05.:36:07.

is actually affordable. We will have to leave it there, come back in five

:36:08.:36:10.

years, if not before(!) Our guest of the day,

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Camilla Cavendish, was head of the Number 10 Policy Unit

:36:18.:36:19.

under David Cameron. Well since Theresa May's team moved

:36:20.:36:21.

into Downing Street last July, pretty much all her predecessor's

:36:22.:36:24.

advisors were given Renewing our award-seeking series

:36:25.:36:26.

Westminster Village, here's Mark Lobel with a look

:36:27.:36:30.

inside that famous door. VOICEOVER: Last year, British

:36:31.:36:43.

politics was shaken up by a lot of things, as a result, new residents

:36:44.:36:47.

right here in Downing Street, barely a day has gone by without Theresa

:36:48.:36:51.

May in the news, we in Westminster are just as fascinated by the people

:36:52.:36:56.

who write her speeches, brief her, and craft her image. Who are they,

:36:57.:37:00.

what do they look like, how influential have they been? Two

:37:01.:37:06.

people dominate Theresa May's world, her two joint chiefs of staff, Nick

:37:07.:37:12.

Timothy and Fiona Hill, Fiona Hill worked vociferously on anti-slavery

:37:13.:37:16.

anti-trafficking laws while Theresa May's aid at the Home Office, she

:37:17.:37:19.

once told the Sunday politics are boss's view of focus groups. I think

:37:20.:37:24.

she would have a scepticism about them. And how her party needed to

:37:25.:37:32.

sell itself better. Talking about compassion and communities, values,

:37:33.:37:34.

the Conservatives have all of those, but they need to tell people that

:37:35.:37:38.

they do. Hugely influential Nick Timothy has but the just about

:37:39.:37:43.

managing centre stage as a pro leave voice, he has helped to shape the

:37:44.:37:46.

type of "Brexit" that the prime and estate is advocating and put grammar

:37:47.:37:50.

schools on the number ten timetable, after one is getting a similar

:37:51.:37:54.

message across on BBC London. We think there will be enough free

:37:55.:37:58.

schools opening in the next few years to meet the demand. Joanna

:37:59.:38:03.

Penn, affectionately known as JoJo is said to be a trusted link between

:38:04.:38:08.

the PM's office and the rest of the building. Adding the number ten

:38:09.:38:12.

policy unit, John Godfrey, formerly of investment bankers Niemann

:38:13.:38:17.

brothers and insurers legal and general, he is examining how people

:38:18.:38:21.

on low incomes can use insurers to guard against problems. His deputy,

:38:22.:38:26.

will Tanner, focuses on improving mental health support and public

:38:27.:38:30.

services. He hit the airwaves including prisons were better run

:38:31.:38:34.

privately after the government has signalled a move away from

:38:35.:38:38.

privatisation. -- Will Tanner. Fundamentally what we found is that

:38:39.:38:41.

the government's own figures show that that is not right. Time for the

:38:42.:38:46.

odd one out round now, is it the big speech on "Brexit" at Lancaster

:38:47.:38:50.

house? Foreign relations, Philadelphia? Nasty party speech?

:38:51.:38:54.

Juanfran speech? That's right, despite reports to the contrary, the

:38:55.:38:59.

nasty party speech is the only one from the PM that her director of

:39:00.:39:03.

strategy, Chris Wilkins, did not right, he was by the way Nick

:39:04.:39:07.

Timothy's boss once, he had a hand in some of those speeches. Who is in

:39:08.:39:12.

charge of keeping this lot fed? Theresa May's director of the mean

:39:13.:39:20.

occasions was Boris Johnson's top spin doctor during the first run for

:39:21.:39:23.

Mayor of London of setting up our own PR agency, and she has been on

:39:24.:39:28.

the box with an Robinson after campaigning for Waitrose, also a

:39:29.:39:32.

favourite of Theresa May's to be built in Sidcup. -- Katie Perrior.

:39:33.:39:41.

We didn't want another pound shop, we wanted something that would raise

:39:42.:39:48.

the tone. The PM's press secretary, on an ideological cross-country

:39:49.:39:53.

journey since working for the Lib Dems, then Iain Duncan Smith, then

:39:54.:39:58.

the Leave campaign, she is now by the PM's site for all of the press

:39:59.:40:02.

appearances and interviews, and coming soon, as the Daily Mail might

:40:03.:40:06.

put it, poacher turned gamekeeper currently on a FastTrack civil

:40:07.:40:13.

service course, he once had the home affairs brief when you got to know

:40:14.:40:17.

the PM, and should be ASBOs person within weeks. Those that can't wait,

:40:18.:40:21.

there is a sneak preview from the old edition of the week in

:40:22.:40:26.

Westminster on how good he think she is. If there were to be a crisis, a

:40:27.:40:31.

terrorist attack or something else, she would be the one, the Prime

:40:32.:40:35.

Minister, who the country would look to. -- and should be her

:40:36.:40:41.

spokesperson within weeks. It is not going to be Theresa May. Political

:40:42.:40:45.

director Alex Dawson, preps Theresa May ahead of PMQs, the half brother

:40:46.:40:50.

of Gabby Vert, you may remember her from a previous edition, David

:40:51.:40:55.

Cameron's press secretary. Don't forget political secretary Stephen

:40:56.:40:59.

Parkinson, who keeps Conservative HQ in check, and all selections and did

:41:00.:41:04.

rather well as head of ground operations for vote to leave, as he

:41:05.:41:07.

told Newsnight. In some of our best areas, we have leafleted every

:41:08.:41:11.

household in that Parliamentary constituency more than once, and we

:41:12.:41:16.

didn't even happen in the new election. A pattern emerges, Theresa

:41:17.:41:21.

May has swept up much of the top team, from the former residence, the

:41:22.:41:28.

Home Office. And from here, the Conservative Party headquarters, and

:41:29.:41:33.

in particular, the Conservative research Department. And one more

:41:34.:41:36.

activist scene working here made his way into number ten, and investment

:41:37.:41:41.

guru, pictured phone banking during a recent by-election campaign.

:41:42.:41:45.

Otherwise known as Philip Wamae, Theresa May's husband. -- otherwise

:41:46.:41:49.

known as Philip May. STUDIO: We're joined now by a man

:41:50.:42:18.

who often goes behind usually when the PM is holding

:42:19.:42:21.

a drinks party(!), you get other skills from the

:42:22.:42:40.

Whitehall full timers. You are a part of David Cameron's team in

:42:41.:42:51.

everybody needs to have a body close circle of advisers. David Cameron

:42:52.:43:00.

did the same. Another breadth in the team that you are getting different

:43:01.:43:08.

points of view being put forward. You have to trust them that they

:43:09.:43:12.

will not go to Kevin and leaked the information that they need to leak.

:43:13.:43:16.

Sometimes people let slip things, other times, they are telling you

:43:17.:43:22.

deliberately, it is a game, poacher and gamekeeper. Most cabinet

:43:23.:43:27.

ministers have only two special advisers, they have many more, there

:43:28.:43:33.

is an argument for more. In a public sector, 800 billion, 2 trillion

:43:34.:43:40.

plus. The fact we spent just 8 million on special advisers, a

:43:41.:43:43.

million more than under Labour, I remember David Cameron talking

:43:44.:43:48.

about... There were many more. Cheap political point, more effective

:43:49.:43:53.

government, if ministers had more advisers around them who they trust.

:43:54.:43:58.

You mentioned breadth of advice and advisers, do you think there is a

:43:59.:44:03.

problem, if Theresa May has sourced many of their advisers, taken from

:44:04.:44:07.

the Home Office, Office, that that is still the prism through which she

:44:08.:44:12.

is looking at running the country? Not necessarily, this is clearly a

:44:13.:44:15.

theme at the moment, just because you worked in the Home Office does

:44:16.:44:19.

not mean you see it through the prism, there is excellent civil

:44:20.:44:23.

servants, one of them running the "Brexit" unit. Civil servants are

:44:24.:44:26.

very versatile. The fact they have been in the Home Office for some of

:44:27.:44:31.

their career does not make it impossible. It is important that you

:44:32.:44:35.

source, actively seek, to be told the truth from a number of different

:44:36.:44:38.

sources, the danger of being Prime Minister is that people tell you

:44:39.:44:41.

what you want to hear. Gordon Brown it was said that the advice from the

:44:42.:44:47.

last person that he spoke to, can you get too much advice, and in the

:44:48.:44:52.

end, you are not making decisions, because Theresa May has been

:44:53.:44:55.

compared, rightly or wrongly, to Gordon Brown, by being cautious and

:44:56.:44:59.

slow about decisions? That was Gordon Brown in Downing Street as

:45:00.:45:03.

Prime Minister, spoke because of the election that never was and collapse

:45:04.:45:09.

economy, in the Treasury, he was much more effective as a Chancellor,

:45:10.:45:13.

this means you Ed Balls, Damien McBride, Charlie Wi and, you have to

:45:14.:45:17.

listen to your advisers, you have to be bred there to take advice that

:45:18.:45:25.

you do not like. -- Charlie Whelan. -- you have to be prepared to take

:45:26.:45:29.

advice. You figure out quickly who is good

:45:30.:45:44.

and who is not, you delegate to them when possible, but for your own

:45:45.:45:48.

political survival, you need to keep an eye on everything and know where

:45:49.:45:52.

all of the bodies are buried and you are taking ten or 20 decisions a

:45:53.:45:56.

day. Sometimes, you do not have time to get all of the advice. That comes

:45:57.:46:00.

down to instinct and judgment which is one of the characteristics a good

:46:01.:46:03.

Prime Minister has. Does she take too much advice from Nick Timothy

:46:04.:46:08.

and Fiona Hill, the two year prize is that we saw at the beginning from

:46:09.:46:13.

grammar schools, to the speech on the steps of Downing Street. I don't

:46:14.:46:22.

know, I'm not inside, I only know what I read in the papers and some

:46:23.:46:25.

nuggets of information but there is a danger on relying too much on a

:46:26.:46:29.

few people but she has had them a long time. They are very loyal to

:46:30.:46:34.

her and know her mind, I do not think it is brand-new, I don't think

:46:35.:46:38.

she invented ideas overnight but they've taken a long time to come

:46:39.:46:41.

into fruition and she is delivering -- they are delivering them for her.

:46:42.:46:46.

Advisers can come famous in their own right, like Alistair Campbell,

:46:47.:46:51.

is it a danger to avoid at all costs? It can happen in a crisis,

:46:52.:46:55.

when everything is going OK, it's fine, Alistair Campbell then having

:46:56.:47:02.

a profile. Around Iraq and before that, it became a problem. When it

:47:03.:47:05.

becomes a negative story, that is when you need to move them on. It is

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very hard, you build up an emotional relationship. They have been through

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so much together. The Prime Minister does not like to lose a special

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adviser, but they would rather that than lose their own jobs. When is

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the next Tring 's party at Downing Street? -- drinking party. Thank

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you. Kevin Maguire. Let's turn to Labour now,

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because the Shadow Cabinet has been meeting this morning to decide how

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the party should vote on the Article 50 bill when it

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has its third reading tomorrow. Here's what Shadow Foreign Secretary

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Emily Thornberry had to say For the Labour Party, this is a very

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hard choice. We campaigned to remain in the EU and fierce

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internationalists, and we believe in the EU. However, more important than

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anything else, we are Democrats and campaigned to remain in the EU but

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the British public said that they wanted to leave. We have our

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instructions. We're joined now by our deputy

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political editor John Pienaar. So, and pick exactly what Labour

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will do with the Brexit vote? What has been decided by the Shadow

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Cabinet is that Labour MPs and Shadow ministers will be under

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strict orders to vote in favour of the Brexit bill, to send this piece

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of law, which gets Brexit started on its way with their votes behind it.

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That means, you could say with certainty, that the rebellion that

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we saw when this piece of law first appeared only a few days ago, next

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time will get even bigger. Do you think it will be bigger than the 47

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MPs? 60 Labour MPs either voted against or abstained. I think that

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it will grow. You see more big figures leaving Jeremy Corbyn's

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front bench team, I'm thinking of Clive Lewis, Shadow Business

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Secretary, he has had doubts about it for a while. Jeremy Corbyn said

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that he was "A lenient man", I think those were the words he used, are

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you surprised that they've gone with a three line whip, an instruction to

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vote the way that the leadership says? I do not think there was a

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happy option available, he is something of a Eurosceptic himself,

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he campaigned to remain without a great show with enthusiasm. They

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cannot be seen to stand in the way of the Brexit Bill, but for some it

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is a step too far and they will rebel. Jeremy Corbyn may have to see

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some of those ministers off the front bench, there is no avoiding

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it. And Diane Abbott, a close ally, Shadow Home Secretary. She was ill

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for the key vote before, and some of her colleagues felt that she was

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crying off because she could not bring herself to vote for triggering

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Article 50. As far as we can see, she seems to have recovered over

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whatever it was that failed her and kept it away... Brexit flu? I think

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it is a harsh and in charitable way of describing her that way. You

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would never do that. Absolutely not. I think that you will see her voting

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for the bill, however unhappily, because in her constituency they

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voted overwhelmingly to remain. As it up to Jeremy Corbyn to fill the

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gaps in his team, who are vacated in their positions? It was tough enough

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last time, we saw a wave of vacancies, and filling them was

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difficult. We may have the same problem again but he may hope that

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in getting rid of these people, he can do as soon as is. They are left

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with a divided party, bit by elections coming up in Stoke and

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Copeland, they could become near impossible. It is ironic that the

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Conservative Party is virtually united! You always thought of the

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Tory party as the party with the walking split, the San Andreas sized

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rift in it over Europe but now it is Labour. And the little Democrats!

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They know where they are and they are united, they will stick to it at

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least. If they can appeal to their core vote, they will think that it

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is a job well done. John Pienaar, thank you.

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Time now to find out the answer to our quiz.

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The question was, what parliamentary tradition did Speaker Bercow

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yesterday announce would be abolished? Was it...

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The ceremonial mace, bowing to the Speaker, the snuff box for MPs, or

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the Woakes warn by the clerks? -- the wigs. I wish that it was the

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snuffbox but it is wigs. Yes, the speaker made more than one

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controversial statement yesterday, because he irked some MPs -

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yes, more of them - with his announcement

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that the Commons clerks, who advise him on conduct

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and constitutional issues, Colleagues will be pleased to learn

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that this change will, in the longer term, save money. It will, I

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believe, be welcomed by those clerks who serve all of forward to serving

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at the table, and it will, moreover in my view, which I recognise may

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not be universally shared, conveyed to the public a marginally less

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stuffy and forbidding image of this chamber at work. The new regime

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colleagues will start soon after we return from the short February

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recess. So that was John Bercow

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announcing the end of wigs Well we're joined now by one man

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who's likes as much speaker-related controversy as possible -

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because it gives him plenty to write about -

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it's the Times sketchwriter Welcome to the Daily Politics, what

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is wrong with him banning their wigs? The clerks apparently asked

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him for this, they find them itchy and scratchy, but it is the

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definition of Parliament, they see the wigs and realise that there is

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authority and 200 odd years of tradition. Jacob Rees-Mogg quite

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rightly spoke up for horsehair and said without it, it looks like the

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office. Isn't it stuffy and out of place, isn't it part of John

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Bercow's modernisation which has been popular with MPs? I look

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forward to a lot of things from him, like the speaker having his

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procession through central lobby and people being told to take off our

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hats when he walks past I'm looking forward to getting rid of all of

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those! Are you wedded to the wig? I think that the speaker should have

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won, John Bercow said it is not him, but it makes you anonymous. And

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Parliament and changing. Does it add a level of authority and gravitas?

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That it is hundreds of years of tradition? You are doing a brilliant

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job in defending it but it is hopeless, the clerks want to get rid

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of the wigs, it is a bit of a throwback and looks ridiculous. They

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will keep their gowns, but we are spending a lot of money on horsehair

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and I honestly think that sometimes we need to make small changes to

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move forward. What austerity has brought us to! John Bercow has been

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a busy bee, dealing with various points of order. And also one from

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Emily Thornbury, Shadow Foreign Secretary, who protested to the

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speaker John Bercow after the Prime Minister's mocking of her married

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name and title. The Shadow Foreign Secretary is

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shouting at you Balmy, yes, Lady Nucci, by me. Is it in order for the

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Prime Minister to refer to a member of this house not by her name but

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the name of her husband. I have never been a lady, and it will take

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a great deal more than being married to a night of the realm in order for

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me to become one. I did not in any way attempt to be

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disorderly in this house, and I have to say... If the honourable lady is

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concerned about the reference I made to her, then of course I will

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apologise for that. I have to say that for the last 36 years, I've

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been referred to by my husband's name.

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That was an interesting and polite -ish spat, was she right to make it

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a point of order with Theresa May? She trades as Emily Thornbury, I

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don't know if she has booked a restaurant and her different name,

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but she is right to complain, but what is interesting is it festered

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for 20 minutes, it was not an immediate point of order. Emily

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Thornbury went to see John Bercow, she clearly sat stewing and decided

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to make it an issue. You do not address anyone by name, but Theresa

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May made her point and apologised, she got a mild slap. Isn't it

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embarrassing that she was forced to apologise Britton you saw Ben

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Bradshaw's reaction there. But was it mocking for her to refer to her

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in that way? Slightly, but that is the nature of the chamber. When you

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see two highly able women able to have a bit of a go at each other

:56:45.:56:48.

with a reasonable sense of humour, that is a good thing. Good-humoured?

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And I'm sure that lady Nugee will let it. She felt that she wanted to

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make a point of it. It gets to her, in a certain way, but everyone

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should have a sense of humour about it. I think that they were all

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laughing in the end. What about John Bercow, and his fate? At the

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beginning of the programme we talked about whether he overstepped the

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mark. Alec Shelbrooke said that he should consider his position, how do

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you consider it? There are people saying it, there has been an

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anti-John Bercow faction for a while, before the general election,

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they tried to force him out. He may try to get a few things off his

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chest, but I understand in the housing bill statement before we

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came on, Sajid Javid said he hoped he would be the big news today, to

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which John Bercow said, he was glad that he made his announcement first.

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There may be complaints, if there is a complaint from the palace about

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it, it becomes serious. When you miss him if he were to go? What

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would the sketch writers had to write about all the time? Possibly

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Lindsay Hoyle with his voice as rich as black pudding, or crisp Bryant,

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or Jacob Rees-Mogg, a win-win. Donald Trump is making a fall of

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himself, I do not think John Bercow needs to do the same! I think that

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John Bercow keeps doing it, making a fool of himself, we are debating

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whether clerks should get rid of them accurately because of the

:58:23.:58:27.

sanctity of Parliament, and this guy who is great for the sketch writers,

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but he keeps making a fool of himself. He will lose support from

:58:31.:58:34.

even those who have been fans? He has support from the Labour Party

:58:35.:58:40.

because they love having that with Donald Trump. There was cross-party

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support for getting rid of him in 2009, but now it is just the Tories.

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Thank you, Camilla, for being our guest of the day.

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The one o'clock news is starting over on BBC One now.

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I'll be back at 11:30 tomorrow with Andrew for live coverage

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of Prime Minister's Questions, do join us then.

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Oh, my goodness me, I don't like the look of that.

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The Robshaws are going back in time again...

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Jo Coburn is joined by David Cameron's former head of policy, Camilla Cavendish. They look at the row surrounding John Bercow's promise to block Donald Trump from speaking in parliament and analyse the government's strategy for building new homes. Chris Leslie and Jacob Rees-Mogg discuss the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill that is currently being scrutinised in the Commons and Kevin Maguire shares his views on the key backroom staff in Downing Street.


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