22/02/2017 Daily Politics


22/02/2017

Jo Coburn and Andrew Neil introduce live coverage of PMQs and discuss with James Brokenshire and Barry Gardiner the case of a British suicide bomber released from Guantanamo.


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Morning, folks - welcome to the Daily Politics.

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The Supreme Court says rules which stop thousands of British

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citizens bringing their foreign spouses to the UK do not

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contravene human rights law, but they are still defective.

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This British man was released from Guantanamo Bay and paid

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compensation by the British Government.

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But he went on to join Islamic State and carried out a suicide bombing

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There's plenty on the agenda today, as our political masters meet

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for their regular bout of PMQs - live and uninterrupted

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And as elections approach in Northern Ireland,

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will political peace reign once the polls close?

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Or are we heading for further stalemate?

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All that in the next 90 minutes, and with us

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for the duration are the Northern Ireland

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Secretary James Brokenshire and the Shadow International Trade

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First this morning, let's head over to the Supreme Court which has been

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considering the Government's income rules which apply to British

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Several couples have been challenging these rules through the

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Supreme Court and it to the High Court. Our correspondent Dominic

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Casciani is there at the Supreme Court. Doiminic, I will come to the

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defective bit in a minute, but in principle is this a victory for the

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Government? I think even though in technical terms they have lost, and

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I dare say James Brokenshire with you in the studio will be one

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pleasantly surprised and pleased by this judgment given his former

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involvement in immigration policy, but what this

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amounts to is an endorsement by the Supreme Court, our highest judges,

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to be very controversial policy, saying British citizens who wanted

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to bring in a foreign spouse from outside the EEA, that they had of a

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minimum income to bring that in an sponsor that arrival of ?18,600. And

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they have been called escape generation, lots of criticism of

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this, people saying that it was a breach of their family life, of

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their human rights, but the Supreme Court today has ruled in effect that

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the Government has the power to set that minimum income level, and

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although it has a harsh effect on some families, it is an entirely

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legitimate exercise in order to help control immigration. OK, so the

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court has ruled they are illegal in principle and this has been through

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the High Court, the appeals court and now the Supreme Court. But the

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7-member team at the Supreme Court also said they were using, in their

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words, defective, so what will the Government now have to do to make

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sure they are not just legal in principle, but not defective? There

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are two key issues, Andrew. Firstly, how the rule has dealt with

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children. The court has said when immigration officers are assessing

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each case of each family that wants to be reunited to settle in the UK,

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the immigration officers have to do more to dig into account the best

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interests of children including exceptional circumstances -- take

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into account. That may tip the balance of allowing a settlement

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depending on the nature of what is going on in that family. Secondly,

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the court says effectively that although the minimum level itself

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has been set on a rational basis, at ?18,500 or thereabouts, there needs

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to be wider consideration of the entire circumstances of a family,

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so, for instance, if you own a house or have other assets, should that be

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taken into account for the final decision on whether they can stay?

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In essence it means the rules would need to be tweaked here and there

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and in practical terms means it would almost certainly benefit some

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of the wealthier families caught up in this. We hear tales of bankers in

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America for instance who cannot come over to the UK to join their

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British, but in practical terms it will not have a lot of satisfaction

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to many families caught in this from the polar end of the spectrum,

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including many families from Asian backgrounds across the UK -- poorer

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end of the spectrum. Doiminic, thank you for summing up what has been

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happening in the Supreme Court. James Brokenshire, in principle the

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Supreme Court accepts this but it sounds like you will have to change

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the operation of the rules? Certainly we will look at the

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judgment in detail, what the judges have said, but it is right, from

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what we have just heard, that the court has said the rules are

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compliant with article Eight, the right to a family life. That was the

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primary test in relation to this particular case. It is worth

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underlining why these rules were introduced in the first place. About

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fairness to the UK taxpayer, in other words that people coming here

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to settle had a minimum income in order to support themselves. As

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ministers we took advice from the body of experts advising ministers

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on a range of issues in relation to immigration. And they came up and

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endorsed this figure, ?18,600, but also in relation to higher figures

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were children were involved. You need to be earning more if you have

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children? That is right. In other words it goes to about ?22,400 with

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one child and slightly higher thereafter, again in relation to

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that reliance on the state. Saw the court has sided with the Government.

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In principle, but has criticisms of the organisation. But what is your

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view on the principal? Is it right from the Government to set a minimum

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income level before you can bring a foreign spouse into the country? I

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think the Supreme Court has given a very well reasoned judgment,

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actually. They have conceded the principle, which I think is right.

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That is that if you are a British citizen and you want to marry

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somebody from abroad and bring them here then you should be able to

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support and accommodate them without recourse to public funds. It is your

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decision to get married. It is your decision to get married, but you

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could also go to live in their country, if that is how you want to

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conduct your family life, so I think it is reasonable to say that you

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should not be putting that additional burden on the state, but

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the Supreme Court has been absolutely right to speak about the

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way in which this may discriminate against poorer families and the way

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in which we must take into account the needs of children. And I am

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pleased James has acknowledged that and said the Government will look at

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that again, I think that is the right approach. It was a good

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judgment and should now be studied carefully and implement it. Once we

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leave the EU, can you tell us, with this rule

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apply to British citizens marrying EU citizens? There is a completely

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different arrangement that exists regarding EU citizens, you are

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right. Well, there is no arrangement... I know this has been

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a point of issue raised... That is why I am raising it. Can we tell at

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the moment? At the moment we are looking at the whole immigration

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policy. We have not reached a determination in respect of that but

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it is precisely these issues that obviously us being able to take back

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control allows us to relook at some of these themes. A brief word? I

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think we have at the moment and unbalanced system with preferential

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treatment given to people from the European Union. One of the

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consequences of leaving the EU is that system might become more

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egalitarian. It will certainly have to be addressed. Indeed. We will not

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have time to address that this morning, though, Jo... Yes.

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It's emerged that a British man who joined the so-called

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Islamic State group, and who died in a suicide bomb

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attack in Iraq on Monday, was a former prisoner at Guantanamo

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The terrorist, named by the group as Abu Zakariya al-Britani,

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is believed to have detonated a car bomb in a village south of Mosul.

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The 50-year-old, also known as Jamul-Uddin al-Harith,

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was suspected of terrorism by the Americans but freed

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He was also reportedly paid up to ?1 million in compensation

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The 50-year-old was born Ronald Fiddler in Manchester, later

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changing his name to Jamul-Uddin al-Harith after converting to Islam.

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Shortly after 911 he travelled to Pakistan and was later seized by

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American forces, there was taken to Guantanamo Bay where he was held for

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two years accused of being an Al-Qaeda operative. He was one of at

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least 16 British detainees. He was eventually released in 2004. US

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interrogators found he provided useful information on Taliban

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interrogation techniques. On his return he was reportedly awarded

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compensation by the British Government as part of a settlement

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to detainees. In 2014 he crossed from into Turkey volunteering to

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fight for IS but claiming his knowledge of Islam was basic. They

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eventually blew himself up in a car bomb attack near Mosul on Monday.

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Was this man be monitored by British security services? I am unable to

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comment on individual security aspect and indeed we are unable to

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confirm whether this individual was involved in the way you have

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described, but what I can say is this Government has done more than

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any in terms of the powers we have introduced to stop people being able

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to travel out to get involved in Jeff Hart. We introduce powers to

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seize passports -- to get involved in Jihad. And we have used the royal

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prerogative to do that. I pay tribute to the work of our security

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agencies in keeping our country safe and doing all they do to prevent

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travel where that is identified. But if you have put all those things in

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place to protect the British people, how was it possible for Iman held in

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Guantanamo accused of being an Al-Qaeda operative -- a man held.

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Then being able to join IS? As I say, I cannot comment on the

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specifics and I am sure there were a number of factors, but I can see

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there is a huge amount of effort undertaken by our security and

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intelligence agencies. So it was a security failure? I do not think you

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can comment in that way. I think clearly steps are taken by our

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agencies and also at the border as well. You have information used for

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passengers who travel on airlines to better identify but it is a question

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of what the facts may or may not have been in this case and I do not

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think they can jump to any judgments. But you were the security

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minister in 2014 of course when this man did leave the country, so you

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would be any perfectly good position to be able to advise people about

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whether the proper security precautions were taken or whether,

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as I say, it was a failure, because he managed to leave the country? Jo,

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as I have said I cannot comment on the specific factors on this case.

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Do you know them? We do not comment... But this happened on your

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watch, James Brokenshire, and people will not want to think you are

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evading the question because the straightforward point here is that

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people might expect for detainees from the camp, and of course people

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were not tried after they had left, but people accused of being Al-Qaeda

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operatives, even if there is a ten year lag, there might be a red flag

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if someone was trying to leave the country, for example, particularly

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heading for an area like Syria in 2014 when you read the security...

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There are a few thinker. Where there is evidence we will prosecute for

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terrorist offences. -- there are a few things here. And there are when

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certain thresholds are met things to stop people travelling again. There

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is also ongoing work from the security and intelligence agencies.

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So it depends on thresholds and the individual factors of a case. But

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would you broadly say that was a failure if someone like that had

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been able to get out of the country and go to fight in Syria? I think it

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would depend on the individual factors and circumstances, what that

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individual had disclosed, and indeed what information was held. So it is,

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yes, the work that the agencies do the monitor, as they do in relation

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to subject of interest, but I think it is important not to jump the

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judgment but knowing that, yes, rigorous work is undertaken when

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there is information to stop people travelling, when it is thought they

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are travelling out to become involved in Jihad. When this man was

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released in 2004 David Blunkett them Labour minister at the time said, I

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don't think will find anyone released in the announcement today

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will actually be a threat to the security of the British people. What

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do you see now? It was absolutely wrong and it sticks in my croc as I

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am sure it does to everyone who heard the news of this man. Given a

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settlement from the public funds of the British Government at that time.

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I understand one has to see that settlement was to avoid a court case

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in which the Government believed security information would be

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revealed. That is important, isn't it? And that of course keeps us all

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safer. Whilst I understand it I think it is really galling that

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someone like that was given that settlement and clearly there was a

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failure at that time of information coming back from Guantanamo. It does

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us no good to have people held without trial. It does us no good to

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have people tortured and we must absolutely stand-up for that

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principle. It was wrong Guantanamo should have been constructed. Lieber

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got the balance wrong at the time? Yes, we got the balance wrong in not

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making sure people were properly monitored and kept in check --

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Labour got the balance wrong at the time? Where people monitored for a

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period of time are forever, people ask why they were given

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compensation? I want to pick up on one point on how the law has

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changed. The Justice And Security Act to be able to have evidence that

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was sensitive and touched on national security issues that was

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not able to be put into evidence because it would have been public at

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that time, and therefore we are now in a position to defend cases we

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were not able to defend previously. Why did the British taxpayer give

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him ?1 million? , I cannot comment on confidential settlement and court

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cases but I can say that, yes, cases were settled in the past, because

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otherwise we would have had to disclose publicly highly sensitive

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information and that was why we changed the law. There were

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certainly cases settled and that was because of this factor of having to

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the school 's national security... Trials are held in camera? At that

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stage the rules were different -- having to disclose national

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security. In other words, certain sections of a trial that are able to

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consider highly sensitive information in a way not possible

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previously, this was a gap in the way the courts operated and that was

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why we still bet on why the situation is very different now

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About 850 people considered a national security threat have gone

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to fight with IES, half of whom have returned to the UK. What precautions

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are put in place for them? -- IS. It is a question of the way in which we

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use data to monitor people coming back, advanced passenger

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information,... Not 450, but security services do not have the

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money. There could be more. The security services do an incredible

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job. That is not the point. Why we have invested heavily into their

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work and given extra powers to disrupt. It is important to

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recognise the incredible work they do every day to keep us safe. We

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appreciate that. Now, we're told the Prime Minister

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has full confidence in her Business Secretary,

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Sajid Javid, over the issue That is always a worry if you are

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the minister concerned if the Prime Minister says that.

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Mr Javid has been accused of misleading party colleagues over

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the effect of a business rate revaluation which could leave more

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than a quarter of companies facing higher bills.

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The Government has dismissed claims that they underestimated

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potential rate rises, but some Tory MPs have

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One of those is former Conservative Chairman

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Grant Shapps and he joins us now from central lobby.

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As the government been misleading you on business rates? Yes,

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certainly in my constituency because I received a letter at the weekend

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which suggested from ministers that business rates for companies in my

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area would go down by about 1.5% but actually I discover in the heart of

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my constituency in a not very well of and salubrious part of the

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constituency there are businesses about to be wiped with a ?1000 or

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3000 -- 1000 - 3000% rise. I am very concerned. It is certainly at odds

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with the reassurances we have been given. When Sajid Javid says that

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business rates will fall in some areas in England do you accept these

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figures? No. This has been poorly handled. I think I know what has

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happened. I used to be in the community is the parliament and our

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officials said to us this is on the domestic rates. These have to be

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revalued. We told them politely we would not do it. Domestic rates have

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not been reviled for 24 years in England and they should have

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followed the same examples with business rates than we would not be

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in this mess -- not been revised. It is going to raise about ?1 billion

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or more. The statistics that have been sent out have in the case of my

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constituency been very misleading and do not take into account the

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businesses will try to challenge the new rates are many will be

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successful -- and take that into account. Your statistics are so

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dodgy you cannot convince your own site. It is important to recognise

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these changes are about fairness, dealing with values and property

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that were last valued at the time of the financial crash. That is at the

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heart of this. These are revenue neutral. Increases are to do with

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the number of businesses there. The revaluation itself in more has to be

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revenue neutral. It is important to recognise 600,000 businesses are

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being taken out of this tax altogether. 500,000 facing rises of

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up to 300%. That is why the Business Secretary has introduced

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transitional arrangements, that there is a separate fund work around

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?2.3 billion to ease this process. It is that sense of fairness on how

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property values have changed. If it is going so swimmingly and is so

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fair and you have already got this package that is going to be put to

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use why is that talk of further compensation in the budget? You have

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got the ?2.3 billion. There is talk of more. We recognise the issues and

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listening carefully. Should you not have listened carefully before

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proceeding? It is important to note that it is about the increase in

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those valuations that lies behind why these changes are being brought

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about and how listening to the issues that have been raised we will

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be asleep you focused on the implementation of the transitional

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relief. It is not true the cap is 300%, it is 3000%. If you were rates

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exempt before but the property value happens to have gone up you can go

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from paying ?100 to being several thousand pounds a year. It is all

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very well to say this is because the rateable value has gone up but if

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you are at the rateable value has gone up but if you are a

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hairdressing company or the noodle bar in Hatfield in a very run down

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area then the value of the property has nothing to do with the ability

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of your business to generate sufficient profits to pay that kind

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of increase, 1000, 2000, 3000%. The system is not fit for purpose.

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Advice to ministers is to be straightforward. Let's not carry on

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telling people that is revenue neutral when it is going to raise an

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extra ?1 billion. Let's not send out people table saying they are going

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to see a fall in rates when they are going to see a rise. Let's make sure

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we are on the side of small businesses who generate all the

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wealth in this country. Other than calling for a review of business

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rates does Labour have a policy? We need to understand exactly what has

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gone on because James said this is revenue neutral yet the Chancellor

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in the budget last year said he was putting ?6.7 billion to ensure that

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business rates would come down. Either he has broken that promise or

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it is revenue neutral. The point is that what the government has not

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done in publishing the figures, and that Grid Grant was talking about,

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it has not included either the 2% factor for inflation or the appeals

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adjustment, which is when like when the airlines overbook seats because

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they know, from the government's point of view, they know that the

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appeals that will come in will reduce their revenue by about 5%. We

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are 7% shy and those of visual figures and James needs to be

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honest. If it is revenue neutral as you claim, it does not bring revenue

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to the tragedy, at the time when it needs it, why bother? It is about

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fairness. Values of property. You are making more enemies than

:24:26.:24:31.

friends. Why bother? It is the sense of overall furnace with businesses

:24:32.:24:35.

where the property value has increased. Recognising businesses

:24:36.:24:39.

not paying at all. The money that sits behind all of that. 6.7 billion

:24:40.:24:46.

of the 600,000 businesses, recognising the contribution that

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small business makes. Sajid Javid is the Communities Secretary, not the

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Business Secretary. He was the Business Secretary, we are just slow

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Questions is on its way. And we've also been

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joined by John Pienaar. I have no idea where to go. So much

:27:43.:27:56.

the front benches could talk about. All I would suggest for the Prime

:27:57.:27:59.

Minister and the Leader of the Opposition, in the shadow of these

:28:00.:28:06.

two crucial elections. Absolutely. On the eve of polling if you were

:28:07.:28:10.

going to guess what was going to come up, the perceived strong cards,

:28:11.:28:15.

you would expect Jeremy Corbyn to look for a way to attack on the NHS,

:28:16.:28:21.

in particular an issue in Copeland, and you would expect a reason made

:28:22.:28:26.

to attack Jeremy Corbyn as a reader and human being, but that is pretty

:28:27.:28:32.

much what she does every week. The business rates story is bubbling

:28:33.:28:36.

along nicely. I think whatever is going to be offered as sweeteners to

:28:37.:28:45.

those people affected, that is going to be held back probably until the

:28:46.:28:50.

budget. We are also waiting to see whether the Ronald Fidler case comes

:28:51.:28:57.

up. The suicide bomber, who went from Guantanamo Bay. Jeremy Corbyn,

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the leader of the party defending both by-elections. Labour holds both

:29:06.:29:10.

seats. Normally when you are the opposition you do not worry about

:29:11.:29:16.

you losing by-elections eats. Precisely. The fact we are having

:29:17.:29:20.

this conversation about what is going to be happening in Copland and

:29:21.:29:25.

Stoke, by the normal rules it should be a slam dunk for Labour. It shows

:29:26.:29:31.

you there is a problem on the Labour side. No one would deny that it

:29:32.:29:36.

exists. Start with the opinion polls, 14 points behind the Tories,

:29:37.:29:42.

then 16, then 18. Theresa May even went to Stoke. We thought the Tories

:29:43.:29:51.

were leaving it for you cap. To try to win. You will get exotic the

:29:52.:29:59.

rising that the Tories might be dark horse the race. We would be

:30:00.:30:09.

surprised. Much shorter odds in Copeland. The NHS has been an issue

:30:10.:30:17.

in Copeland. Talk of the maternity hospital closing, having to go to

:30:18.:30:25.

Carlisle. If I was Jeremy Corbyn perhaps I would make Copeland the

:30:26.:30:32.

priority. When you mentioned those issues, in Copeland there is the

:30:33.:30:37.

hospital future that is in question, you have Sellafield, this debate is

:30:38.:30:43.

huge. As far as Jeremy Corbyn is concerned that is a negative. It is

:30:44.:30:51.

coming back to his doorstep. Although his line on nuclear power

:30:52.:30:55.

is softened when you talk to people randomly around the constituency in

:30:56.:31:01.

Copeland, it is all people seem to want to talk about. If I was to say

:31:02.:31:12.

Brickhouse you would know why. I would say it is another beautiful

:31:13.:31:18.

constituency. That is true. I say that because that was the last time

:31:19.:31:28.

the constituency held by an opposition party was lost in a

:31:29.:31:33.

by-election. That was 1960. It is really unusual. Really unusual for

:31:34.:31:41.

an opposition party to lose a by-election in a seat it is holding.

:31:42.:31:46.

Absolutely. When you go back to the past or years example of a governing

:31:47.:31:52.

party winning a seat in 1982, the other side, split between the social

:31:53.:32:01.

democratic and Labour Party. It is complicated by the dynamic around

:32:02.:32:04.

the Sellafield nuclear plant and the issue of nuclear power which clouds

:32:05.:32:09.

the water in national terms. The local Labour Party said in the

:32:10.:32:14.

north-west constituency that they were so pro-nuclear you could see

:32:15.:32:20.

them glow in the dark. They are trying to make a clear distinction

:32:21.:32:24.

between the liberal bill-mac local Labour Party... Let us go to the

:32:25.:32:29.

House of Commons. Mr Speaker, last year the campaign

:32:30.:32:56.

group Fighting Cuts at the hospital were due to deliver a strong

:32:57.:33:01.

petition to Downing Street, but they were turned away at the gates and

:33:02.:33:06.

told, today is not a good day. Comeback after Thursday. How can the

:33:07.:33:10.

Prime Minister justify this disgraceful dismissal of the people

:33:11.:33:21.

of Corb Lund? -- Copeland. The petition was indeed delivered and

:33:22.:33:24.

accepted by Downing Street yesterday so I suggest to the honourable lady

:33:25.:33:28.

she considers what she said in her question, but I am aware of the

:33:29.:33:32.

issues raised around West Cumberland Hospital, and I am aware of those

:33:33.:33:36.

because the very good Conservative candidate in Copeland, Trudy

:33:37.:33:45.

Harrison, has indeed raise those issues with me, and made very clear

:33:46.:33:50.

she wants to see no downgrading of services at West Cumberland

:33:51.:33:54.

Hospital, she has made that clear to me and the health ministers. Thank

:33:55.:34:02.

you, Mr Speaker. I have constituents concerned about the new funding

:34:03.:34:07.

formula. Can I be assured that when deciding on funding for our schools

:34:08.:34:12.

we will look at costs such as the apprenticeship levy and things like

:34:13.:34:14.

that to ensure they have the money they need to educate our children? I

:34:15.:34:19.

thank my honourable friend for raising this. The question of

:34:20.:34:23.

schools funding and the system we have is important. I think the

:34:24.:34:27.

current system is unfair, not transparent and out of date and that

:34:28.:34:31.

has been the general view for some time now. The problem is it cannot

:34:32.:34:35.

support the aspiration of all our children to get a great education

:34:36.:34:38.

and we do indeed want to see children being able to get the

:34:39.:34:43.

education they deserve that ensures they can go as far as their talent

:34:44.:34:48.

and hard work take them. The Labour Government did nothing to address

:34:49.:34:50.

the funding system and we are looking at that funding system. It

:34:51.:35:03.

is... It is a consultation and I am sure the comments my honourable

:35:04.:35:08.

friend has raised will be noted by the Secretary of State for

:35:09.:35:18.

Education. Thank you, Mr Speaker. When hospitals are struggling to

:35:19.:35:24.

provide essential care, why is the Prime Minister's Government cutting

:35:25.:35:28.

the number of beds in our National Health Service? Thanks to the

:35:29.:35:37.

medical advances, the use of technology, the quality of care,

:35:38.:35:43.

what we see in hospital stays is actually the average length of time

:35:44.:35:47.

for staying in hospital has virtually halved since the year

:35:48.:35:53.

2000. Let's actually look at Labour's record on this issue. In

:35:54.:36:03.

the last six years of the last Labour Government, 25,000 hospital

:36:04.:36:08.

beds were cut, but we don't even need to go as far back as that.

:36:09.:36:15.

Let's just look at what was Labour's policy before the last election.

:36:16.:36:22.

Because before the last election, the Right Honourable member, a

:36:23.:36:31.

former Shadow Health Secretary, said, what I would cut our hospital

:36:32.:36:39.

beds. Labour policy to cut hospital beds. Mr Speaker, back in 2010 there

:36:40.:36:50.

was the highest ever level of satisfaction with the health service

:36:51.:36:53.

delivered by a Labour Government. The BMA tells us, Mr Speaker, that

:36:54.:37:03.

is doctors, that 15,000 beds have been cut in the last six years, the

:37:04.:37:11.

equivalent of 24 hospitals, and as a result we have longer waiting times

:37:12.:37:17.

in A, record charges and more people on waiting lists. The Prime

:37:18.:37:21.

Minister claims the NHS is getting the money it needs, so why is it one

:37:22.:37:27.

in six of A units in England are set for closure or downgrading? I

:37:28.:37:34.

will tell the honourable gentleman what is happening and what has been

:37:35.:37:39.

happening since 2010 in A 1500 more emergency care doctors, which

:37:40.:37:44.

includes more Andrew Neil consultants, 2400 more paramedics,

:37:45.:37:56.

-- more emergency consultants. What the NHS... He speaks about what the

:37:57.:38:00.

NHS needs and what it needs is more doctors and we are giving it more

:38:01.:38:04.

doctors. What it needs is more funding and we are giving it more

:38:05.:38:08.

funding. What it does not need is a bankrupt economy, which is exactly

:38:09.:38:18.

what Labour would give it. Mr Speaker, I asked the Prime Minister

:38:19.:38:24.

by one in six A units are currently set for closure or

:38:25.:38:28.

downgrading. She did not answer. One of the problems, and she well knows

:38:29.:38:33.

this, is that ?4.6 billion cut the social care which has a knock-on

:38:34.:38:38.

effect, and her friend, the Tory chair of the Local Government

:38:39.:38:41.

Association, Lord Porter, has said, and I quote, "Extra council tax

:38:42.:38:46.

income will not bring in anywhere near enough money to alleviate the

:38:47.:38:54.

growing pressure on social care. Two weeks ago -- social care." Two weeks

:38:55.:38:58.

ago we found out about the sweetheart deal with Tory Surrey.

:38:59.:39:05.

When will the other 151 social department in England get the same

:39:06.:39:13.

as the Surrey deal? The right honourable gentleman refers to the

:39:14.:39:17.

questions he asks me about Surrey County Council two weeks ago. Those

:39:18.:39:20.

claims were utterly destroyed the same afternoon. So rather than

:39:21.:39:27.

asking the same question, he should stand up and apologise. Mr Speaker,

:39:28.:39:44.

far from apologising it is the Prime Minister who ought to be reading her

:39:45.:39:49.

correspondence and answering the letter from 62 council leaders

:39:50.:39:55.

representing social services authorities who want to know if they

:39:56.:39:59.

are going to get the same deal as Surrey, as they are grappling with a

:40:00.:40:03.

crisis that has left over 1 million people not getting the social care

:40:04.:40:09.

they need. Mr Speaker, we opposed the Tory cuts in the NHS which

:40:10.:40:20.

involved scrapping of nurses' bursaries because we believed it

:40:21.:40:23.

would dissuade people from entering training. We were told it would

:40:24.:40:27.

create an extra 10,000 training places in this Parliament. Has this

:40:28.:40:34.

target be met? There are 10,000 more training places available for nurses

:40:35.:40:38.

in the NHS, but the right honourable gentleman talks about the amount of

:40:39.:40:42.

money being spent on the NHS. It is this Conservative Government that is

:40:43.:40:47.

putting the extra funding into the NHS, and I remind the right

:40:48.:40:52.

honourable gentleman, I remind the right honourable gentleman that we

:40:53.:40:57.

are spending ?1.3 billion more on the NHS this year than Labour

:40:58.:41:02.

planned to do if they had won the election. Mr Speaker, my questions

:41:03.:41:07.

were about the social services funding to pay for social care. No

:41:08.:41:12.

answer. My questions were about the number of nurse training places

:41:13.:41:19.

being brought in. No answer. In reality, 10,000 fewer places have

:41:20.:41:24.

been filled because there are fewer applications. There is a problem in

:41:25.:41:30.

building up for the future. In addition, the Royal College of

:41:31.:41:36.

Midwives estimate is shortage of 3500 midwives in England, and the

:41:37.:41:40.

Royal College of Nursing warned the nursing workforce is in crisis. If

:41:41.:41:46.

fewer nurses graduate in 2020 it will exacerbate what is already an

:41:47.:41:51.

unsustainable situation. Will the Prime Minister at least commit

:41:52.:41:55.

herself to reinstating the nurses' bursary? He asked me a question

:41:56.:42:03.

about nurses' training places which I answered. I have to say to him, if

:42:04.:42:07.

he doesn't like the answer he gets, he cannot just carry on asking the

:42:08.:42:12.

same question. If I have answered it previously. He is talking about all

:42:13.:42:17.

these issues in relation to what is happening in the NHS. Let's just

:42:18.:42:19.

look at what is happening in the NHS. We have 1800 more midwives in

:42:20.:42:28.

the NHS since 2010. We have more people being seen in A since 2010.

:42:29.:42:39.

We have more operations every week in the NHS. Our NHS staff are

:42:40.:42:44.

working hard, providing a quality of care for patients up and down the

:42:45.:42:49.

country. What they do not need is a Labour Party policy that leads to a

:42:50.:42:54.

bankrupt economy, because Labour's policy, you spend money on

:42:55.:42:57.

everything which means you bankrupt the economy, and have no money to

:42:58.:43:01.

spend on anything. That does not help doctors and nurses, it does not

:43:02.:43:05.

help patients, it does not help the NHS and it does not help ordinary

:43:06.:43:08.

working families up and down this country. Mr Speaker, yes, let's look

:43:09.:43:15.

at the National Health Service. Let's thank all those that work so

:43:16.:43:19.

hard in our National Health Service, but recognise the pressures they are

:43:20.:43:25.

under. Today the married to re-foundation trust finds nurses are

:43:26.:43:30.

so overstretched they cannot provide the high care needed for patients at

:43:31.:43:38.

the very end of their lives -- the Marie Curie Foundation. It prevents

:43:39.:43:41.

patients from having the dignity of dying at home. There is a nursing

:43:42.:43:44.

shortage and something should be done about it such as reinstating

:43:45.:43:50.

the nurses' bursary. Mr Speaker, her Government has put the NHS and

:43:51.:43:52.

social care in the state of emergency. Nine out of ten NHS

:43:53.:44:03.

trusts are unsafe. 18,000 patients per week are waiting. Mr Speaker, I

:44:04.:44:11.

repeat the figure. 18,000 patients a week are waiting on trolleys in

:44:12.:44:19.

hospital corridors. 1.2 million of them very dependent... Mr Speaker,

:44:20.:44:23.

it seems to me that some members do not want to be concerned about the

:44:24.:44:29.

fact there are 1.2 million elderly people not getting the care that

:44:30.:44:34.

they need. The legacy of her Government will be blighting our NHS

:44:35.:44:40.

for decades. There are hospitals, fewer A departments, fewer nurses

:44:41.:44:43.

and fewer people getting the care they need. We need a Government that

:44:44.:44:49.

puts the NHS first, and will invest in our NHS. First of all I have to

:44:50.:44:55.

say to the right honourable gentleman that he should consider

:44:56.:45:04.

correcting the record, because 54% of hospital trusts are considered

:45:05.:45:07.

good or outstanding. Quite different from the figure he has shown.

:45:08.:45:14.

Secondly, I will take no lessons on the NHS from the party... Oh, the

:45:15.:45:25.

deputy leader of the Labour Party says we should take lessons on the

:45:26.:45:28.

NHS. I will not take any lessons from the party that presided over

:45:29.:45:35.

met staff's hospital, and what happened at that hospital. --

:45:36.:45:43.

Midstaff. They say we should learn lessons. I tell you who should learn

:45:44.:45:49.

lessons. The Labour Party, who still fail to recognise that if you are

:45:50.:45:52.

going to fund the NHS, and we are putting more money in - there are

:45:53.:45:57.

more doctors, more operations, more hospitals. If you're going to fund

:45:58.:46:01.

the NHS you need a strong economy. Now we know that Labour have a

:46:02.:46:05.

different sort of phrase for their approach to these things. Remember

:46:06.:46:09.

they used to speak about boom and bust. Now it is borrow and bankrupt.

:46:10.:46:22.

We must get through backbenchers' questions and the answers to them.

:46:23.:46:29.

Brendan Cox will meet with the Duchess of Cornwall to launch plans

:46:30.:46:35.

to bring communities together over the weekend of the 17th and 18th of

:46:36.:46:39.

June to mark the first anniversary of our colleague's death. It is for

:46:40.:46:46.

more than 10 million people across the country to come together as

:46:47.:46:50.

communities and neighbours for events such as student parties and

:46:51.:46:55.

picnics and bake off. Will the Prime Minister join me and agree that such

:46:56.:47:00.

event is a moment of national reflection but also celebration in

:47:01.:47:03.

our communities and it will be a fitting tribute to Jo? And as she

:47:04.:47:10.

herself said it will remind us that we have far more common with

:47:11.:47:15.

ourselves than things that divide us. I am happy to agree with him

:47:16.:47:21.

that what is becoming known as the great get-together is a fitting and

:47:22.:47:27.

important tribute to our late colleague Jo Cox and I would like to

:47:28.:47:32.

commend her husband Brendan and I am sure everybody would like to do so,

:47:33.:47:37.

for the work he has done. It is important we remember there is more

:47:38.:47:39.

that brings us together than divides us. This opportunity at this point

:47:40.:47:45.

of national reflection and celebration of the strength of our

:47:46.:47:49.

communities is important as we face the future together. We stand at

:47:50.:47:54.

momentous times for this country and it is important we remember that

:47:55.:47:59.

being united makes us strong, we should recognise the things that

:48:00.:48:03.

unite us as a country and as the people, the bonds that we shared

:48:04.:48:07.

together, and this is a very fitting tribute to our late colleague. In

:48:08.:48:13.

recent days the Prime Minister has said that it is a key personal

:48:14.:48:18.

commitment to transform the way that domestic violence is tackled. It is

:48:19.:48:22.

hugely welcome that she has called for ideas about how the treatment of

:48:23.:48:28.

victims can be improved and more convictions secured against abusers.

:48:29.:48:33.

Combating violence against women and preventing domestic violence is the

:48:34.:48:37.

aim of the Istanbul convention which the UK has yet to ratify. Does she

:48:38.:48:43.

agree with members across this house that the convention should be

:48:44.:48:51.

ratified as a priority? He has raised a particularly important

:48:52.:48:54.

subject. It is one that I take particularly seriously. I worked

:48:55.:48:59.

very hard on it as Home Secretary and I continue to do so as Prime

:49:00.:49:05.

Minister. Over 400,000 victims of sexual violence in the last year. We

:49:06.:49:11.

signed up to the Istanbul convention and are committed to ratifying it

:49:12.:49:15.

and that is why we supported the members bill in principal at second

:49:16.:49:18.

reading and that committee stage. The measures we have in place in

:49:19.:49:24.

many ways go further than the convention but I am very clear that

:49:25.:49:27.

we need to maintain this momentum and that is why I am setting up a

:49:28.:49:31.

ministerial working group to look at the legislation and how we can

:49:32.:49:35.

provide good support for victims and to look at the possibility of a

:49:36.:49:40.

domestic violence act in the future. This Friday the Commons will

:49:41.:49:44.

consider a bill on the Istanbul convention and government ministers

:49:45.:49:50.

have been working very hard with my colleague who has cross-party

:49:51.:49:53.

support for her bell. Given the importance of this issue and the

:49:54.:49:57.

Prime Minister's personal commitment she has outlined again today will

:49:58.:50:02.

she encourage members to support the bill and discourage any attempts to

:50:03.:50:06.

use Parliamentary tactics to stop it? I am very happy to join him in

:50:07.:50:16.

that. The minister for vulnerability has had a number of constructive

:50:17.:50:19.

discussions with the member for Banff and Buchan and tabled mutually

:50:20.:50:24.

agreed amendments which the government will be voting for this

:50:25.:50:30.

Friday and I hope that all born Friday will be supporting those

:50:31.:50:36.

measures. It is an important bill which the government has been

:50:37.:50:38.

supporting and I hope it will they support across all parts of this

:50:39.:50:43.

house. Residents in the village of highly in my constituency are

:50:44.:50:49.

concerned by the 4000 homes proposed under the Greater Manchester spatial

:50:50.:50:52.

framework more than doubling the size of that village. What

:50:53.:50:59.

assurances can she give to my constituents that the green belt is

:51:00.:51:03.

safe with this government? I am happy to give that commitment. The

:51:04.:51:08.

government is very clear that the green belt must be protected. Very

:51:09.:51:13.

clear that boundary should only be altered when local authorities have

:51:14.:51:18.

fully examined all other reasonable options and if they go down that

:51:19.:51:21.

route they should compensate by improving the quality or

:51:22.:51:24.

accessibility of the remaining green belt land so that can be enjoyed. I

:51:25.:51:29.

know the particular issue he has raised and I believe the framework

:51:30.:51:34.

led to quite a number of responses. There was a lot of interest in the

:51:35.:51:38.

consultation. I am sure all those views will be taken into account.

:51:39.:51:45.

Last week the all-party group for children of alcoholics launched a

:51:46.:51:48.

manifesto for change. 2.5 million children are growing up in the home

:51:49.:51:55.

of a problem drinker. I did as well. These children are twice as likely

:51:56.:52:00.

to have problems at school, three times as likely to commit suicide,

:52:01.:52:06.

four times more likely to become an alcoholic yet 138 local authorities

:52:07.:52:08.

have no plan to support these children. All the Prime Minister

:52:09.:52:13.

work with the all-party group to establish the first ever government

:52:14.:52:17.

strategy to tackle both hidden problem that blight the lives of

:52:18.:52:21.

millions? She has raised an important issue and I know she

:52:22.:52:25.

recently spoke very movingly about her experience and I am sure members

:52:26.:52:30.

recognise the devastating impact that addiction can have on

:52:31.:52:35.

individuals and their families. This is an important issue for her to

:52:36.:52:39.

raise. It is unacceptable that children bear the brunt of their

:52:40.:52:43.

parents' condition. It is important than the government is committed to

:52:44.:52:47.

working with MPs and health professionals and those affected to

:52:48.:52:50.

reduce the harm of addiction and give people the support they need

:52:51.:52:54.

and we will be looking carefully at the proposal she has raised.

:52:55.:53:05.

Question nine. It is absolutely appalling when people tried to make

:53:06.:53:10.

a business out of dragging our brave troops through the courts. In the

:53:11.:53:14.

case of Northern Ireland 90% of deaths were caused by terrorists and

:53:15.:53:19.

it is essential the justice system reflects this. It would be wrong to

:53:20.:53:24.

treat terrorists more favourably than soldiers or police officers and

:53:25.:53:28.

that is why as part of her work to bring forward the Stormont House

:53:29.:53:32.

bill we will make sure that investigate of bodies are fair,

:53:33.:53:36.

balanced and proportionate soul veterans are not unfairly treated or

:53:37.:53:42.

disproportionately investigated. It does not go as far as I and others

:53:43.:53:48.

would like. There is no prospect of new credible evidence coming forward

:53:49.:53:51.

against our veterans of the troubles up to 40 years after the event and

:53:52.:53:56.

yet people are starting to use the same techniques in Northern Ireland

:53:57.:54:01.

against them as were used against veterans of Iraq. Surely the answer

:54:02.:54:06.

has to be a statute of limitations preventing the prosecution of

:54:07.:54:12.

veterans to do with matters that concerned prior to the date of the

:54:13.:54:20.

Belfast Agreement. As he knows this is an issue that we are looking at

:54:21.:54:24.

as part of the Stormont House agreement. We are ensuring that the

:54:25.:54:28.

investigative bodies responsible for looking at depths during the

:54:29.:54:33.

troubles will operate in a fair balanced and proportionate manner.

:54:34.:54:38.

We want cases to be considered in chronological order. We are going to

:54:39.:54:42.

be consulting fully on these proposals because we want to make

:54:43.:54:49.

sure we get this right. The new local housing allowance cap for

:54:50.:54:52.

social tenants when introduced in 2019 will hit people on low income

:54:53.:55:00.

in my constituency really hard. In Maidenhead the allowance will often

:55:01.:55:07.

exceed the average rent but in Merthyr Tydfil not so. This will

:55:08.:55:16.

mean that tenants including many older be bought will be expected to

:55:17.:55:21.

find almost ?500 a year towards the rent. Will she acts to introduce

:55:22.:55:25.

clear guidance to at the very least exempt older people from these cuts

:55:26.:55:30.

and ensure that the local housing allowances in line with local rents?

:55:31.:55:37.

Yes. I believe local authorities are in a position, they have a fun they

:55:38.:55:41.

can exercise discretion in relation to this matter. There will be

:55:42.:55:47.

incidences across the country and there were some steps taken to

:55:48.:55:52.

ensure that particularly vulnerable people were not affected as you

:55:53.:55:59.

suggest. The lack of large-scale vaccine manufacturing has been

:56:00.:56:04.

described for our country as a national security issue. Which will

:56:05.:56:09.

take many years to build up. Will she look into what more the

:56:10.:56:12.

government can do to address this highly critical health and defence

:56:13.:56:20.

concerned? She is right to raise this in the context she has. The

:56:21.:56:25.

government takes it very seriously. Being able to ensure we can scale up

:56:26.:56:31.

vaccine production in the event of a pandemic is very important to

:56:32.:56:36.

national security. The precise details are confidential but I can

:56:37.:56:40.

assure her we have provisions in place to make sure that urgently

:56:41.:56:45.

needed vaccines are available in the UK at short notice including in the

:56:46.:56:50.

event of pandemic. As a contingency we are funding a ?10 million

:56:51.:56:55.

competition to establish a world leading centre on vaccine

:56:56.:56:58.

manufacturing but it is only part of the picture because we have one of

:56:59.:57:02.

the most successful vaccination programmes in the world backed up by

:57:03.:57:08.

?300 million. Last night Bristol council said its budget very

:57:09.:57:13.

difficult decisions very difficult because of the abject failure of the

:57:14.:57:18.

previous murmur to get a grip on the finances. It has taken a Labour

:57:19.:57:24.

mayor to face up to the challenge but government cuts are making his

:57:25.:57:29.

job almost impossible and it is doing more with less. We did our

:57:30.:57:35.

bit, will the Prime Minister meet with the mayor of Bristol to discuss

:57:36.:57:39.

the funding deal that the people of Bristol deserve? I understand the

:57:40.:57:47.

Communities Secretary has had such a meeting to discuss the issues she

:57:48.:58:01.

raised. 17 years ago my constituent received a phone call that no parent

:58:02.:58:05.

should ever have to take. The collar told them that their daughter

:58:06.:58:10.

Kirsty, who was backpacking in Thailand, had been brutally

:58:11.:58:14.

murdered. The tie as warranties are due to close the investigation into

:58:15.:58:20.

her murder but as yet her case remains unsolved, her killer remains

:58:21.:58:26.

free and her parents have not justice or closure. Can I ask her to

:58:27.:58:33.

push the Thai authorities to use DNA techniques to bring the killer to

:58:34.:58:37.

justice, to endeavour to provide more support to families who have

:58:38.:58:41.

lost loved ones abroad and finally to ensure that Kirsty's personal

:58:42.:58:46.

effects are at last returned home to her parents from Thailand? I am sure

:58:47.:58:53.

the whole house would offer condolences to the family and

:58:54.:58:57.

recognising the trauma they have been through as a result of the

:58:58.:59:04.

killing of their daughter. It is obviously not for the British

:59:05.:59:06.

government to interfere with police investigations that take place in

:59:07.:59:11.

another country but I understand the Foreign Office has been providing

:59:12.:59:15.

support and our embassy in Bangkok will continue to raise these issues

:59:16.:59:19.

as it has been with the Thai government and I am sure the Foreign

:59:20.:59:26.

Office will keep him updated. In the Lancaster house speech she said of a

:59:27.:59:29.

future trade agreement with the EU that no deal for Britain is better

:59:30.:59:34.

than a bad deal for Britain. In the spirit of consistency will that

:59:35.:59:37.

appeal to any future trade goals she Asians with the US? By Mike

:59:38.:59:44.

President Trump has said that America comes first -- negotations.

:59:45.:59:51.

We will be ensuring when we negotiate trade deals they will be

:59:52.:59:59.

good deals for the UK. In the same sex marriage act we took the power

:00:00.:00:05.

subject to consultation to give humanists in England and Wales the

:00:06.:00:09.

opportunity to celebrate marriages as they do in Scotland. We have had

:00:10.:00:14.

the consultation with 90% approval and there has been referenced in the

:00:15.:00:18.

Law Commission which has concluded. And she gave her attention to laying

:00:19.:00:21.

there is order and giving humanists same rights in England as they enjoy

:00:22.:00:29.

in Scotland? This is an issue he has been following closely over recent

:00:30.:00:35.

years. He recognises this is an important area of law and complex

:00:36.:00:40.

and we want to make sure the proposals are considered properly

:00:41.:00:43.

which is why the Ministry of Justice is examining the differences in

:00:44.:00:48.

treatment that exist within marriage law so that the differences can be

:00:49.:00:55.

minimised and I am sure he will agree it is right and fair to

:00:56.:01:04.

approach it that way. My constituent's chances of survival

:01:05.:01:08.

from buying the Attic cancer were no better than his mother's who died 40

:01:09.:01:14.

years earlier. A disease soon to become the fourth biggest cancer

:01:15.:01:23.

killer in the UK -- pancreatic. Will she championed a significant

:01:24.:01:27.

increase in spending on pancreatic cancer researcher, which lags behind

:01:28.:01:34.

that of other cancers? He has raised a very important point which

:01:35.:01:39.

obviously is of particular relevance in the case of the constituent

:01:40.:01:45.

referred to. It is the case that pancreatic cancer is one that is

:01:46.:01:49.

very difficult to deal with and to treat and there has been a lot of

:01:50.:01:52.

attention over the years on certain cancers, like breast cancer, bowel

:01:53.:01:58.

cancer, prostate cancer, but I am sure it is important the appropriate

:01:59.:02:01.

attention is given to cancers which are more difficult to deal with like

:02:02.:02:11.

pancreatic. In February 2008 the brother of one of my constituents

:02:12.:02:15.

was unlawfully killed in the Ukraine. His Ukrainian wife is

:02:16.:02:22.

clearly implicated in his death. Earlier this year a coroner in Devon

:02:23.:02:28.

ruled that he was tricked into standing on a carriageway before

:02:29.:02:33.

being run down by a car with stolen license plates and death was

:02:34.:02:37.

immediate. Every time an investigating officer makes progress

:02:38.:02:42.

with this case and the Ukraine they are replaced. This has happened ten

:02:43.:02:46.

times and the case has stalled. And I implore her to raise this case

:02:47.:02:52.

with the Ukrainian Prime Minister so we can get justice and closure for

:02:53.:02:56.

Barry's mother, brother and the family? I am sure that the whole

:02:57.:03:05.

house will join me in offering condolences to the family following

:03:06.:03:12.

his death in 2008. I understand he has discussed this case with the

:03:13.:03:18.

Foreign Secretary. It is not for the British government to interfere in

:03:19.:03:21.

the legal processes of another country but the Foreign Office has

:03:22.:03:25.

been regularly raising this case with the Ukrainian authorities and

:03:26.:03:29.

will continue to do so and I understand UK police have assisted

:03:30.:03:32.

the investigation on a number of occasions and all information from

:03:33.:03:36.

the UK coroner will be passed on and I am sure the Foreign Office will

:03:37.:03:41.

keep him updated. Tens of thousands of disabled people on the

:03:42.:03:46.

portability scheme have had their cars removed by this government. In

:03:47.:03:53.

November a minister said they were looking at payments to keep their

:03:54.:03:56.

car pending appeal. Next week my constituents will lose her car. Can

:03:57.:04:04.

the Prime Minister of the house on the progress of this review to help

:04:05.:04:11.

Margaret and thousands like her? He raises an issue about the way these

:04:12.:04:14.

assessments are made and the implications of decisions being

:04:15.:04:23.

taken. He referred to a review in relation to payments and the moat

:04:24.:04:26.

ability elements of that and I will write to him with further details.

:04:27.:04:38.

It was a gear this week sends a hospital was closed due to fire

:04:39.:04:42.

safety concerns. There are no community gets locally within St

:04:43.:04:46.

Ives, Penzance or Saints just or rural areas in between. Campaigners

:04:47.:04:52.

agree that there is valued Community Hospital needs to be opened a urgent

:04:53.:04:58.

priority. Will she apply some pressure to NHS property services

:04:59.:05:03.

and Cornwall NHS managers to get the building work done and open these

:05:04.:05:12.

community beds? This is obviously a concern for his constituents and he

:05:13.:05:15.

is right to raise it. He will recognise the first priority must be

:05:16.:05:21.

to ensure patients are being treated in a safe environment and I

:05:22.:05:25.

understand the local CCG and the NHS have been working to ensure that

:05:26.:05:30.

community hospitals are fit to deliver that expectation in

:05:31.:05:33.

Cornwall. A review has been undertaken into the repairs needed

:05:34.:05:38.

to bring the Community Hospital up to a safe standard and the CCG will

:05:39.:05:42.

be looking at the entrance at facilities and needs once the local

:05:43.:05:47.

plan has been agreed and then Health Secretary has heard his

:05:48.:05:52.

representations. The government business rate hike could devastate

:05:53.:05:56.

the local economy in migrating constituency. Brighton Pier is

:05:57.:06:03.

facing a 17% increase, the world end pub, a hotel a 400% increase. Does

:06:04.:06:11.

she recognise Brighton will be disproportionately affected and will

:06:12.:06:16.

she set up a discretionary fund to support small businesses and agreed

:06:17.:06:18.

to a full review of the whole system? Business rates are based on

:06:19.:06:26.

the rental values of properties and the rental values of properties

:06:27.:06:30.

change over time going up and down and it is right that rates changed

:06:31.:06:35.

to recognise that. That is the principal of furnace that underpins

:06:36.:06:40.

the business rates system. We want to support businesses and recognise

:06:41.:06:44.

that for some business rates will go up when these revaluations take

:06:45.:06:48.

place which is why we have put significant funding in place for

:06:49.:06:52.

transitional relief but I recognise there has been particular concern

:06:53.:06:56.

there will be some small businesses that are particularly adversely

:06:57.:07:00.

affected by the result of this evaluation and that is why I have

:07:01.:07:04.

asked the Chancellor and the Communities Secretary to make sure

:07:05.:07:06.

there is appropriate relief for those cases hardest-hit. She gave a

:07:07.:07:20.

sympathetic answer to the honourable friend for the new Forest. Can I put

:07:21.:07:27.

it to her that for many of us there is something profoundly wrong with a

:07:28.:07:32.

criminal justice system which can pursue veterans will risk their

:07:33.:07:39.

lives for this country, 40 years on after any possibility of new

:07:40.:07:43.

evidence, while at the same time is capable of paying out ?1 million to

:07:44.:07:51.

a terror suspect. In relation to this issue in Northern Ireland, we

:07:52.:07:56.

are... The issue with the legacy bodies was part of the Stormont

:07:57.:08:00.

House agreement and we are working to deliver on that agreement. As I

:08:01.:08:11.

said, the overwhelming majority of our armed forces serving in Northern

:08:12.:08:13.

Ireland served with great distinction and we owe them a huge

:08:14.:08:18.

debt of gratitude. The situation at the moment is there a case is being

:08:19.:08:22.

pursued against officers who served in Northern Ireland. We want to see

:08:23.:08:31.

developing a legacy body, a proportionate fair and balanced

:08:32.:08:34.

approach. We recognise the majority of individuals were the result...

:08:35.:08:43.

Were at the result of the hands of terrorists. The Prime Minister

:08:44.:08:51.

pledged to end the burning injustice of so few working-class boys going

:08:52.:08:55.

to university. Can she tell me how cutting every single secondary

:08:56.:09:00.

school in Rochdale, Trafford and Manchester through the new schools

:09:01.:09:03.

funding formula is going to do anything other than make that

:09:04.:09:09.

injustice even worse? We want to ensure through the education system

:09:10.:09:12.

that we have a good school place for every child. And the Conservatives

:09:13.:09:18.

in government we have seen 1.8 million more children in good or

:09:19.:09:22.

outstanding schools. We are looking at the funding formula for schools.

:09:23.:09:26.

We are listening to the comments made. Everybody across this house

:09:27.:09:33.

will recognise that for some time it has been said the existing funding

:09:34.:09:37.

formula is not transparent and is fair. But I can assure that our

:09:38.:09:46.

education policy is about ensuring every child has the opportunity to

:09:47.:09:50.

go as far as their talents and hard-working Ed Balls them to do. --

:09:51.:10:01.

enables. You saw what a cut run means for a town and club like

:10:02.:10:06.

Sutton. With Wimbledon out of the picture wonder if she will join me

:10:07.:10:13.

in teen graduating Sutton for such a spirited performance on Monday and

:10:14.:10:19.

in wishing Lincoln well to keep the non-league spirit alive in the next

:10:20.:10:30.

round. He must be heard. Finally come gradually to and thanking

:10:31.:10:36.

arsenal for their generosity and allowing Sutton to keep a little bit

:10:37.:10:46.

of an extra slice of the FA Cup pie. Any reference to pie. I am happy to

:10:47.:10:58.

congratulate Sutton on the extremely good run that they had in the FA

:10:59.:11:03.

Cup. It is important and makes a huge difference to local areas when

:11:04.:11:09.

their football club is able to progress to that extent and is able

:11:10.:11:12.

to be up there with the big boys and do as well as they did and I am

:11:13.:11:17.

happy to congratulate Lincoln city on the success may have shown and we

:11:18.:11:25.

wish them well for the future. Finally, Michelle Thomson. The green

:11:26.:11:33.

investment bank is currently being sold. Some reports suggest that the

:11:34.:11:39.

contract could soon be concluded. This despite the U:K.'s dated focus

:11:40.:11:42.

on research and development and the fact that no realistic guarantees

:11:43.:11:47.

have yet been given as to the continuation of the proper

:11:48.:11:50.

headquarters and board based in Edinburgh. Will she commits to

:11:51.:11:57.

looking again as to why a sale at this time is not in the best

:11:58.:12:02.

interest of Edinburgh or the green agenda or the UK taxpayer? Before I

:12:03.:12:12.

respond I also am apologies. I am sorry to the member for Stroud and

:12:13.:12:15.

mixing him up with the member for Lincoln. I was obviously getting

:12:16.:12:21.

carried away with the football fever. In relation to the green

:12:22.:12:34.

investment bank, I will write to her with response to the questions she

:12:35.:12:39.

has raised. The Prime Minister has applied a very straight bat. We will

:12:40.:12:43.

leave it there. The Speaker although hers in the

:12:44.:12:59.

cricketing metaphor, which at least raised overall tone. Don't even go

:13:00.:13:07.

there! It is at least a proper sport. I will come onto the NHS in a

:13:08.:13:11.

minute but a developing news story here... Caroline Lucas, the Krhin

:13:12.:13:17.

member for Brighton, raised the question of business rates. Small

:13:18.:13:21.

businesses in her community, some of them faced some high-rises -- the

:13:22.:13:27.

Green member for Brighton. The Prime Minister said she had asked the

:13:28.:13:30.

Chancellor and the community secretary, Sajid Javid, for "Proper

:13:31.:13:36.

relief." That suggests to me something is in the pipeline on

:13:37.:13:42.

that. We heard earlier from Grant Shapps on this programme. Mr Corbyn

:13:43.:13:46.

went with the NHS, he had a number of figures to throw out the Prime

:13:47.:13:50.

Minister about hospital bed cuts, about the lack of doctors and

:13:51.:13:55.

nurses, taking away the nurses' bursary, 62 Council leaders writing

:13:56.:14:01.

to the prime ministers saying they did not have enough for social care.

:14:02.:14:07.

And the Prime Minister of course as is often the case on PMQs, had her

:14:08.:14:13.

own statistics, not often relevant to his. There was a kind of passing

:14:14.:14:18.

statistics across the front benches there from both sides. We will go

:14:19.:14:21.

back to the political invocations of this in a minute, but first, what

:14:22.:14:25.

did our viewers make of the exchanges? They were not that keen

:14:26.:14:28.

on the bandying about of statistics because they could not really follow

:14:29.:14:32.

them, perhaps like the rest of them. John Baker from them instead, says

:14:33.:14:38.

the Prime Minister clearly had her feathers ruffled on the NHS, could

:14:39.:14:43.

not answer any of Jeremy Corbyn's questions and looked uncomfortable.

:14:44.:14:47.

Her response was just to attack Labour. I suppose that is her job.

:14:48.:14:51.

Another one, what is the truth? I have very little confidence in most

:14:52.:14:54.

of the politicians in Westminster and PMQs only endorses this feeling.

:14:55.:14:59.

Ten Bassett, not the most stimulating PMQs, the Prime Minister

:15:00.:15:03.

displaying confidence, but I do wish the NHS was no longer a political

:15:04.:15:08.

football. We all agree citizens want and deserve great health care.

:15:09.:15:12.

Rather than fight I would like to see some consensus. Edward Buxton,

:15:13.:15:16.

he says Jeremy Corbyn is replaying the Labour Party's strategy from the

:15:17.:15:21.

losing 2015 election campaign, keep banging on and on about the NHS. All

:15:22.:15:28.

right. John, Mr Corbyn certainly got the NHS onto the agenda here for

:15:29.:15:33.

Prime Minister's Questions. But I wonder, given the importance of the

:15:34.:15:37.

two by-elections we were discussing earlier, did he do enough, in a way,

:15:38.:15:42.

to get it onto the agenda so it can be big in the news tonight, big in

:15:43.:15:46.

the papers tomorrow, so that people in Stoke and in Copeland think it is

:15:47.:15:53.

high up the agenda again? I am not sure he succeeded in doing that.

:15:54.:15:57.

There was no particular punch through moment of revelation or

:15:58.:16:00.

blood on the floor at the end of it. He did get the NHS to be the main

:16:01.:16:06.

subject of dispute in that regard it was mission accomplished, but then

:16:07.:16:10.

we got into, as you say, a crossfire of statistics, which I suspect from

:16:11.:16:16.

evidence already as well would have left many bamboozled and excluded

:16:17.:16:19.

from the substance of the debate. On both sides I think that was largely

:16:20.:16:24.

the case, and they were preaching to the converted. But Jeremy Corbyn did

:16:25.:16:27.

set out to get this as the main subject of dispute and succeeded in

:16:28.:16:31.

doing that. Theresa May was not left empty-handed or there is no

:16:32.:16:34.

ammunition. She came back, as we expected, with an attack on Labour's

:16:35.:16:38.

economic competence, a round of ammunition that will always be happy

:16:39.:16:45.

to backfire. When the leader of the opposition said nine out of ten NHS

:16:46.:16:50.

trusts are unsafe, what did he mean? I am not sure where that figure came

:16:51.:16:53.

from but the figure that really struck me in the exchange, and if I

:16:54.:16:58.

were Gillian Trout, the one I would be plucking out for the people of

:16:59.:17:04.

Copeland, that figure where she was saying, we have 80,000 more

:17:05.:17:09.

midwives. If we have 18,000 more midwives, why are you closing the

:17:10.:17:12.

maternity unit in the West Cumberland Hospital and shifting it

:17:13.:17:18.

40 miles to Carlisle, and as a doctor and blue light ambulance

:17:19.:17:21.

driver who has done that journey from West Cumberland to Carlisle,

:17:22.:17:29.

she knows just what that means. You are referring to the Copeland

:17:30.:17:31.

by-election there, making your point. In fairness, I will get you

:17:32.:17:37.

to respond briefly. Units allegation in regard to the closure of the unit

:17:38.:17:41.

that I do not think is true. I know a lot of scaremongering is around --

:17:42.:17:46.

Barry has made an allegation in regard to the closure of the unit.

:17:47.:17:51.

This is why our candidate in Corb Lund has been campaigning on this

:17:52.:17:54.

and pointing out that we are the ones sticking out for the NHS -- in

:17:55.:17:59.

Copeland. But she could not confirm one way or another whether that

:18:00.:18:04.

closure would take place. It is uncertain. Yes and regarding the

:18:05.:18:13.

birthing units, midwifery led, consultant led, it is these issues

:18:14.:18:18.

were our candidate is campaigning and sticking it for the

:18:19.:18:23.

constituency. When Mr Corbyn said nine out of ten NHS trusts are

:18:24.:18:29.

unsafe but did not explain, Barry not quite sure what he meant, but I

:18:30.:18:33.

am pretty sure that what he did mean is that they are unsafe in the sense

:18:34.:18:37.

that nine out of ten trusts this winter have broken the normal

:18:38.:18:43.

operational rule that no more than 85% of hospital beds should be

:18:44.:18:47.

occupied. You keep a margin because of the unforeseen. If there is an

:18:48.:18:53.

infection, delay, winter flu, whatever, nine out of ten have

:18:54.:18:56.

breached that rule will stop in that sense they are unsafe and that is

:18:57.:19:02.

not good. We know the pressures the NHS is under which is why I

:19:03.:19:05.

certainly pay tribute to the NHS staff working so hard, but it is

:19:06.:19:08.

also the fact we have put in the additional consultant into A I

:19:09.:19:14.

want to come back... You may have done that, but nine out of ten NHS

:19:15.:19:22.

trusts this winter were above... They had more than 85% of beds

:19:23.:19:30.

occupied, and to minimise risk of infection, delays in getting

:19:31.:19:33.

treatment, they are not meant to breach that limit. In that sense

:19:34.:19:38.

they are unsafe. I would say to you that this has been a very pressured

:19:39.:19:43.

winter, which we do understand, and we are slow to recognise that. That

:19:44.:19:47.

is why we have been putting in place additional steps, why actually in

:19:48.:19:50.

terms of the way in which additional funds have been coming into the NHS

:19:51.:19:54.

that has been factored in in a different way to front-load some of

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that investment. But it is right to say there are more A consultants

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there. And coming to this issue of beds it is also worth recognising we

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treat people is different now. The length of stay, which about 15 years

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ago was around eight days, is now about five days. Also looking at the

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Labour Party on this, they actually saw this as a success in terms of

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closures... She actually said when she was... The length of stay may

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have sorted but the length of time you have to wait to get in is

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getting longer and longer under this Government. Waiting lists are rising

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on a number of fronts. That is true, isn't it? That is why we have

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invested in the NHS, something the Labour Party said they would cut.

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They were not going to invest in extra support and funding. They

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cannot get in because there are not enough hospital beds. Germany on a

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per capita basis has almost twice as many beds as we do in hospitals and

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in Germany you will find none of the waiting list is equivalent to what

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you have to wait for in this country, none. BBC recently had a

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number of reports from German hospitals. Every health system has

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its own faults, but in Germany and even in France, the degree of

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waiting times to get these things done nothing like they are in

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Britain. And we see huge pressures in the NHS with an ageing

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population, more levels of... The German population is ageing even

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more. They have a demographic time bomb no. With the serious issues

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presented in A, that is why we have put more doctors into A, why

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we have been taking steps to support individual NHSs under pressure and

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why we continue to invest in the NHS, something the Labour Party said

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they would not do. A quick word from you. Can I say over the last five

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years of the Tory Government ?20 billion was taken out of social

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care. We are ?4.6 billion short of what social care needs now and that

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is the extent of the cuts. That is what is causing the problem. The bed

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blocking... If you cannot get people out of hospital you cannot get them

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into hospital. I think our viewers are probably reeling from the

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statistics. Let's give them a break. While we were on PMQs, Mr Blair's

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office made a statement, as Mr Tony Blair. That is interesting. Yes, you

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will remember during question time the Conservative MP Julian Brazier

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invited the Prime Minister to rise to the debate of the story,

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prominent in a number of newspapers this morning, particularly the Daily

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Mail. The story of Ronald Fiddler, the Isis suicide bomber who it

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turned out had been a detainee at Guantanamo Bay, was returned to this

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country then heavily compensated by the Government at that time. Much

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outrage in the Daily Mail, certainly an echo of that on the Government

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side as well, and Tony Blair, and although Theresa May did not rise to

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this, Tony Blair has. Whilst PMQs was on a committee released a

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statement in his office who said it was actually the Conservative

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Government in 2010 and not his repeat this compensation to Ronald

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Fiddler. He was probably working his way through the system... It was the

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coalition Government in power when the money was paid out. Does it

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confirm a figure? The figure is ?1 million, as you can see. He has more

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interesting things to say as well about the Daily Mail. Yes, he points

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out that at the time of the detention the Daily Mail was arguing

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for the release of Guantanamo Bay detainees on the basis they were

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being held for an extended period without charge, and this is a fact.

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He also argues in the statement that we now have in the last few minutes,

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that the then opposition party, the Conservatives, then in -- known

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Government, were also echoing those calls, and he said this. "Those Who

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demanded their release should not be allowed to get away with telling us

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it is a scandal." And the Daily Mail campaign for his release. It will be

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interesting to read that one in the Daily Mail tomorrow. Good to have

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you with us, John. Let's pick up on another issue raised at PMQs.

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The Prime Minister was asked about ongoing police investigation is into

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the Trouble is in Northern Ireland. It was Julian Lewis who put the

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question to Theresa May, and he joins us from the Central lobby

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know. What is it you are calling for? I am calling for a break-out

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from this endless cycle of investigating and reinvestigating

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cases where there is no prospect of credible new evidence coming

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forward, and what we need to do is to draw a line under it by bringing

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in a statute of limitations that would prevent the further attempts

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to drag ex-service personnel through the courts, up to 40 years after the

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events which are being investigated over and over again, and for which

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they have never been persecuted. But as you know these police legacy

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investigations into killings that occurred during the Troubles are

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looking at paramilitaries and also security forces. Would it be right

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to stop those, in terms of the families that were affected? My

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concern has to be about the welfare of the Armed Forces. It is bad

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enough that people have to go into situations of extreme danger when

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they are serving their country. It is completely unconscionable that

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they should be dragged through endless processes on the basis of no

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credible evidence, and therefore we need to put an end to this matter,

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just as we have put an end to the similar behaviour in Iraq when the

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lawyer said it couldn't be done. It could be done and it has been done.

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Well, the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland

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is of course James Brokenshire, who's still with us.

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What will you do about it? I think there are concerns about the whole

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issue of legacy in Northern Ireland. This touches on victims as well

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obviously as well as personnel and police. The Stormont agreement two

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years ago set process to have a balanced fair and equitable system.

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We want to move forward with that. We think it provides the most

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effective way of dealing with these issues. To ensure... But should

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officers still be investigated or should there be a cut-off point?

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Ultimately I think it comes down to the issue of evidence, and the

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police and prosecutors looking at it in that way. They are independent of

:26:33.:26:38.

government and rightly so. But you yourself are quoted in the papers at

:26:39.:26:43.

the end of January. You criticise the legacy investigations for

:26:44.:26:45.

disproportionately focusing on members of the security forces. You

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stand by that? I think the whole system is not effectively balanced.

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That is a concern that was reflected in the Stormont house, and actual

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concept of proportionality that was born within it. That is why I do

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support that coming forward, that is why we have been working with the

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parties in Northern Ireland, recognising justice is devolved in

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Northern Ireland, to get agreement so we can actually see this moving

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forward for the benefit of everybody, who frankly the system is

:27:17.:27:20.

letting down. But the figures do not necessarily bear that out. If 70% of

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those legacy investigations are directed towards reviewing killings

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caused by paramilitaries, not of security forces? 90% of those who

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died during the Troubles were at the hands of terrorists. Only 10% were

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involved in some state -based link. But is it right to pursue those?

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Ultimately this is for the police and prosecutors. I believe in the

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rule of law... But you have waded in by giving your view. I said it was a

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question of having that proportionately balanced system that

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the Stormont has set forward and I want to step forward, to get into

:27:56.:28:00.

the public consultation to ensure we give confidence to everyone being

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able to take this forward. We have literally 30 seconds. What is your

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response to James Brokenshire? Will you push this? Learn from what they

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did in South Africa. Time comes when you have to say enough is enough for

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all concerned. Cut-off date should be the date of the Belfast agreement

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and anything relating to matters before that should be

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non-prosecutable. The end, finished and good riddance. And otherwise? I

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think we have run out of time. There's just time to put you out

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of your misery and give Not that long ago! Slam that button

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and we will find the winner. Matthew Mott, from London. You have the

:28:49.:28:58.

answer, well done, you win a month. -- you will win a mug.

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The News at One is starting over on BBC One now.

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Jo and I will be here at noon tomorrow with all the big

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I've searched the world to find these extraordinary people.

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I woke up and I could suddenly just play the piano.

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The human body is unique within nature.

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And the most extraordinary people on the planet

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are those who are helping to unlock its mysteries.

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Jo Coburn and Andrew Neil introduce live coverage of Prime Minister's Questions.

They are also joined by Northern Ireland secretary James Brokenshire and shadow international trade secretary Barry Gardiner to discuss the case of a British suicide bomber released from Guantanamo.


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