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28/06/2017

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Morning, folks - welcome to the Daily Politics.

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28 years after the Hillsborough Stadium disaster and an inquest that

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concluded the 96 victims were unlawfully killed -

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the Crown Prosecution Service say they are to bring charges

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against 6 people - we'll bring you the details.

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MPs prepare to vote on a Labour call for more police officers,

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firefighters and an end to the public sector pay cap -

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how will Theresa May fare in this first test

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It's the first Prime Minister's Questions of the new parliament -

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the main characters are the same - but has the election

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And Nicola Sturgeon reflects on the general election result -

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she still wants a second independence referendum -

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All that in the next 90 minutes and with us for the duration on this

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first Prime Minsiter's Questions of the new parliament

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is the Transport Secretary, Chris Grayling and the Shadow Brexit

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First this morning, as we come on air the Crown Prosecution Service

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have announced that they will bring criminal charges

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against individuals in relation to the Hillsborough Stadium

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Among them is the Chief Superintendent and the former Chief

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Constable of South Yorkshire, and the former Sheffield Wednesday club

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secretary. This is what Sue Hemming,

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Head of Special Crime at the CPS had to say in a statement that's

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just been released. At the turn of the year,

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the CPS received the first full files of evidence from Operation

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Resolve and the Independent Police Complaints Commission in relation

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to their investigations into the Hillsborough disaster

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and the events which followed. The Operation Resolve files

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comprised approximately 85,000 pages, and the IPCC

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South Yorkshire Police file Following these thorough

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investigations and our careful review of the evidence,

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in accordance with the code for Crown prosecutors,

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I have decided that there is sufficient evidence to charge six

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individuals with criminal offences. Your reaction? The important thing

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is not to say too much because there is clearly a trial to come. I hope

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the decision and the process that will follow will give an opportunity

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for the families to have real closure but whatever the outcome of

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the trial, it will have hopefully brought the truth into the open and

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it will give those families, who'd been through so much the years, a

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degree of closure. I hope it at least gives them satisfaction that

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proper process has been followed. We cannot talk too much about the

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charges, they've been announced. We can say that nobody will face

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corporate charges. All the defendants bar one will appear

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before magistrates on August nine. I due -- would you like to say

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something having heard this news? This will be welcomed by the

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families of the victims of Hillsborough. This is something

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they've wanted for many years. It has taken 20 years to get here and

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there will be many people reflecting on the length of time that has

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taken. There will be vindication for the families that they have kept

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this campaign alive and been relentless in their campaign to see

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justice. It is good that we are here, it is so sad that it has taken

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so long. They were told at a private meeting before it was made public.

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She promised strong and stable government.

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But instead Theresa May leads a depleted team

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Today - as she tries to get her Queen's speech through -

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she faces Jeremy Corbyn in the first Prime Minister's Questions

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So how will Mrs May's hung minority government work,

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what policies will it pursue and how will the opposition

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Here's Jo with the Daily Politics Minority Report.

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On Monday Theresa May signed a so-called "confidence and supply"

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deal with the Democratic Unionist Party.

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The government gets the support of the DUP on key votes

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in Parliament concerning the Queen's speech and Budget bills.

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In return for DUP support, Northern Ireland receives

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one billion pounds to fund infrastructure projects,

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improve broadband and relieve pressures on the health service

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Theresa May was also forced to abandon manifesto proposals

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to means-test the Winter Fuel allowance and changes to the

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The first test for May's minority government

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will be getting the Queen's speech through Parliament.

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It contains 27 bills - eight relating to Brexit.

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The UK's position remains that it will leave

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the single market and customs union with a time limited "transitional

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deal" to avoid a cliff-edge scenario when new arrangements kick in.

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Labour has tabled an amendment to the Queen's

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speech that calls for an end to austerity and the 1%

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and fire service in the recent terrorist attacks and at

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the Grenfell fire disaster - and calls for the recruitment

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off the Labour challenge with the help of DUP support.

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Thank you. Chris Grayling. By the time of the election, you had

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presided over seven years of austerity for the British people.

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You basically promised another five. The British people said, you're not

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on. Why were they wrong? Let's be clear what you mean about austerity.

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It means the nation living between its means. Within. Yes. We have

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sought to keep bringing the amount down, to stop passing debt to the

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next generation. It has been a difficult balance, there have been

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tough decisions. We have the lowest unemployment since the 1970s. The

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jobs picture has been beyond all my expectations. I could never have

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imagined we would make this progress. Austerity is a 1% public

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sector pay for some people at a time when inflation is 3%. That is

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austerity for public sector workers. We've had to take some tough

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decisions. We will need to think through what we do. But we've not

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shied away from tough decisions. It has been tough decisions for other

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people. It enables us to save public sector jobs. You were promising

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more. It was endless and relentless. During the election public sector

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workers were saying, we understood everybody had to tighten their

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belts, we did that, we've been on the front line. There's been a huge

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cut in public sector jobs as well. But they've had enough. And we are

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going to listen to the outcome of the referendum. -- the election.

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What does that mean, listen? We are not going to announce financial

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measures today. When you talk about the election. We had a disappointing

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result, we still increased our thoughts. We got more votes than

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Tony Blair dead. You are a minority government. I would hardly say it is

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success. I would not say we lost. With this government commits, for

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the rest of its life, not to cut police numbers any further? Two

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points, we are protecting police budgets and you will have heard the

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woman who runs the Fire Service saying she does not have a problem

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with the resources she's got. Will you commit to not cutting police or

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Fire Service numbers. You have cut them. We will announce in the

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budget, not in the Queen's speech debate. Philip Hammond says we are

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not deaf. That is what he said a day ago. If so, tell us what you are

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going to do. We've had three terrorist attacks in a row. We've

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had the worst public disaster since Hillsborough. Surely it stands to

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reason that police numbers will be protected? The police budget is

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being protected. Use a budget, I see numbers. You like they are the same

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thing. They are not. You can spend the budget on all sorts of other

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things. We are providing them with a budget which is protecting them. Are

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you just on the wrong side of the zeitgeist? Some gains have been

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made, but the deficit is still ?50 billion. Perhaps some tax rises to

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increase public spending is what the public demands? We've done two

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things on tax. People on lower incomes have been facing a policy of

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the kind you described. We've been cutting that year after year but

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we've also increased the taxation on the wealthiest. They pay a higher

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share of their income than was the case when Labour in power. You have

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not increased it. The result has been you've got more tax revenues.

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That is not government policy. It is the case that they are paying a

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higher share. Not because you've increased their taxes. What taxes

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have you put up for the rich? They pay a higher share of income today.

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I understand that. But you've said, we've put taxes up for the rich.

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What have you put up? We've put in tax avoidance measures which mean

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people paying a higher share of their income than they did under

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Labour. You found ?1 billion for the DUP. You found money to fill that

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hole as well. Where is your magic money tree hidden? Is it in the

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garden of Downing Street? We have a much sounder public finance than we

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did seven years ago. You still have the largest budget deficit of any

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major economy in Europe. Philip Hammond set in place policies with

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flexibility to allow us to invest in priorities and I make no apologies

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for investing in infrastructure in Northern Ireland which does not have

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the same quality in infrastructure. But you're basically using our money

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to prop up your government. It is not your money. We could well have

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said we should spend an extra billion and if we had done it

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through the country we could have had a 2% pay rise for NHS staff,

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16,000 new social homes, 71 new schools, one year of three primary

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schools. Instead it has gone to that part of the country that you need to

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prop you up. Yes, we are spending more money on infrastructure in

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Northern Ireland and also around the UK, we've got new roads. There are

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always new roads. In what way was austerity responsible for Grenfell

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Tower? I'm not saying it was. Some in the Labour Party have. I know,

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and I've heard what they've said. I think we need to wait for the

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enquiry to find out what was responsible and who is responsible.

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Can you give any reason that it was austerity? We know that it was a

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terrible tragedy and that we need to get to the bottom of it, but as a

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general consequence of austerity, what is the link between what you

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regard as austerity and what happened on that terrible night? It

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would appear, and I'm accepting we need an enquiry, that decisions were

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taken for financial reasons that led to that Tara being as unsafe as it

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was. We don't know that. We spent ?8 million on it. It was... It is not

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clear but it looks like it was spent wrongly, like wrong materials were

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used, like it is not unique at all to Grenfell Tower. That is not

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because it did not have money spent on it but it was spent on it in the

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wrong way. Indeed, and why did that not happen and why were those

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decisions made? It is culpability but not austerity. I will not make

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something up that suits me politically about something that was

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horrific. Have some of your colleagues gone too far? I think

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some of the language has. One of our missions is to clarify

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both the government and Labour position on Brexit, which isn't easy

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in either case. Let me show you this clip from the former Labour Europe

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minister, Caroline Flint, on the single market membership.

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Those who aim to keep us in the single market know full well

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that this is EU membership in all but name.

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Now, I promised to work for the best deal for jobs in Doncaster,

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to protect workers' rights, to end free movement as we know it

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And we can't spend the next 18 months looking like we're just

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scoring points to vote down every one of the Tories' EU bills.

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I think, if we do that, we will look like liars.

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Do you agree? I think that if we have a position which says, we want

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to maintain full membership as it currently exists of the single

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market, that would be the wrong position for the Labour Party to

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take and the wrong thing for the country to try and do. I think we

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need the fullest possible access and the government needs to be more

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ambitious in the way it negotiates that, because it seems to have

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backed off very quickly from trying to have full access and reform of

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freedom of movement. It wants a free trade agreement and it accepts or

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believes we cannot be members of the single market. My understanding is

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that is pretty close to the Labour position, is it not? It's been

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interesting watching the Tories over the last few weeks. Their position

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has come a bit closer to ours. They have moved to you? I think so. In

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January, the Prime Minister was saying that no deal is better than a

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bad deal. That seems to have been ditched. There is an acknowledgement

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that we are going to need some form of transitional arrangement. That

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wasn't the case previously. Now that seems to be accepted. The government

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is now saying, Philip Hammond has said that he wants jobs and the

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economy to be the first concern in the Brexit negotiations. This is

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welcome as well. Let's see how that plays out. It's at an early stage.

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Into interesting that you say that the integration now perhaps is that

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jobs should be more important in controlling immigration. We had a

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bit of a clear out but we found this from, I'm voting Labour, 7th of May

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2015, controls on immigration. Yes. Would you still like to drink out of

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that cup? I'd be proud to drink out of it! You need controls on

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immigration. We need rules and control, but rules and control that

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don't harm our industry and economy. We would agree on this. We want a

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broad ranging free trade agreement. We want sensible partnership and to

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be able to maintain controls on immigration, but not to starve

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business of the ability to recruit when it meets too, so should be

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standing side-by-side for the I'd hope that Jenny and her colleagues

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would... What is more important to you, getting down to your 100,000

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target, which I still think is your policy, or jobs for the economy? We

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can debate the immigration mechanisms, and we can have our

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divisions over them, but if we agree that we need controls, we have to

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leave the single market and make sure that Brexit works well. We

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could do this more effectively if Labour simply supported it. We are

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going to move on, because that had nothing... It's an interesting

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answer which had nothing to do with what I asked.

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Now - after the election, the Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn said

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that the Conservative Party, not Labour, had "lost"

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and since then Mr Corbyn and his allies have certainly been

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But some of the language from the Labour leader and his key

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After the Grenfell Tower disaster, the former Labour

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frontbencher Clive Lewis posted a tweet saying: "Burn

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And the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell told an audience

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at Glastonbury that the people who died in the Grenfell Tower

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fire were "murdered by political decisions".

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The senior Labour backbencher Margaret Hodge

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criticised Mr McDonnell - she said "That is language

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of the hard left which is not done in my name".

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And even John Healey, who sits in the Shadow Cabinet

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with John McDonnell, said: "I wouldn't use

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While Jeremy Corbyn was at Glastonbury he told

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the festival's founder, Michael Eavis, that he would

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be in Downing Street in just "six months" time.

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He said he would abolish the Trident nuclear deterrent

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And John McDonnell has also said that he wants to see

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"a million" people take to the streets for a march

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in London this Saturday, in order to ensure that the next

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election comes "as early as possible".

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We have touched on this, but the claim by the Shadow Chancellor that

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victims who died in the Grenfell Tower fire had been murdered by

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political decisions, would you use that language? I wouldn't. The legal

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definition of murder wouldn't be met by what happened. But John is very

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angry, as are a lot of people. He is for using colourful language. He

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feels very strongly about this. And he used language he did. It isn't

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something I would have said. Should he retract it? To say that people

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have been murdered by political decisions is pointing the finger of

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blame very squarely on people before we know any of the answers to what

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happened at Grenfell. You'd have to put that to him, not me. It isn't

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something I would have set myself. He is responsible for what he says.

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It isn't unusual for John to use these kinds of rhetoric. It does

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occasionally get him into difficulty, but he is the one who

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needs to account for that. Is the Shadow Chancellor. Clive Lewis,

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another of your colleagues, said Bernd neoliberalism, not people,

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implying that deliberately people are being burned. -- said burn

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neoliberalism. There is real anger out there about what happened and

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not just among people directly affected. People in my constituency

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see what happened and are very angry. They feel that people are in

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a situation where the authorities should have been more mindful of

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their safety and they weren't, and there is a natural, human response

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to that, which is anger. Sometimes, people get carried away and they

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will use language which, in the cold light of day, you might not choose,

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but that is a human response. I should think that everybody was

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angry about it, but is it anger or is it politicising what is a

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terrible tragedy? I think people who say that we shouldn't have any

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politics in our thoughts around this are wrong as well. There were

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clearly decisions made by people who are in elected office that had an

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effect on what happened that night. As I said before, it would be wrong

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to say which decisions and who is responsible and what should happen

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to them at this stage... It could be successive government and councils.

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Yes, but to say there is no politics in this is wrong. It was a private

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conversation but it has been widely reported and not denied, but Mr

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Corbyn told the founder of Glastonbury, according to him, that

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he plans to scrap Trident as soon as possible if he were to become Prime

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Minister, which he thought would happen in six months. Is that what

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Jeremy Corbyn has told you and Labour MPs? It isn't. It is great he

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is feeling so confident, and he is a man with a mojo right now, but our

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position on Trident is settled and we would keep the nuclear deterrent,

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and I think that ship has sailed because we have voted on it. So, you

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know... Has the mood changed in Labour? Is it a confident package?

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It is. When you think about where we were six or three months ago, we are

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in a much better place. The election took us to somewhere we didn't

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expect to be. We gained seats, the Tories lost their majority but this

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is progress, but we have a hell of a job to win those 62 seats we need to

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form the next government. That is what we will focus on. How is your

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mojo? It's always been top notch! I lost mine after ten hours of

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election results. That careless of you.

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Now, gardeners at Her Majesty's Treasury are expecting a bumper

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harvest this year after peculiarly favourable growing conditions

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for the tree species arbor pecuniae magicae -

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or to give it its common name, the Magic Money Tree.

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Much of the crop is being harvested and sent to Belfast.

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We have no pecuniary interest in any windfall notes that might

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find their way to the Daily Politics studio, but there's only

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one thing more sought after here in Westminster

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than the votes of Northern Irish MPs...

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Now, of course, we don't take bribes - although the infrastructure

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round here is starting to feel a bit tatty...

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We wouldn't mind that! This is the product of austerity, as you can

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see. A new sofa that much. Or one of those posh desks that

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Huw Edwards has got - Instead of the ones we got from Blue

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Peter 40 years ago. Just a thought. We'll let you have our bank account

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details in a moment - otherwise can you guess

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when this happened? # Look at my life, look in my heart

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I have seen it fall apart # Go on, go on

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Come on, leave my breathless...# He says it's time for someone else

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to lead the party into the next general and Scottish

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Parliamentary elections. # I played with your heart

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It's coming up to midday here - just take a look at Big Ben -

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and that can mean only one thing: Yes, Prime Minister's

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The first PMQs of this new parliament.

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Jeremy Corbyn will still be asking the questions and Theresa May

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will still be answering them - but having lost the government's

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majority - how has her own party's view of her changed?

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I think she's in very difficult place.

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She's a remarkable and she's a very talented woman,

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and she doesn't shy from difficult decisions, but she now has

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Do you think Theresa May is fatally damaged after this result?

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Does she still have your support, Boris?

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It's just how long she's going to remain on death row.

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I don't think it's very seemly to dance on Theresa May's grave.

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She won, you know, the biggest share of the vote since,

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I think, the 1987 election, for over 30 years.

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There's no crisis about this government.

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It's very clear that she is a good Prime Minister.

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I'm completely backing Theresa May as our Prime Minister.

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You'd want a second opinion, wouldn't you? No crisis, says David

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Davis. I wonder who he could be referring to! Joining us now, the

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star of stage, screen and the public prints, the BBC's political editor.

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What we haven't talked about this morning, what are Labour's tactics

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now towards the Queen's Speech? In a hung parliament, this becomes much

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more interesting than if the Tories had a 100 seat majority. Of course,

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and I think the Labour tactic in its simplest terms is to try and keep

:30:01.:30:04.

the momentum going that they created in the general election campaign.

:30:05.:30:08.

For example, today, they are putting down an amendment to try and scrap

:30:09.:30:12.

the public sector pay cap, knowing full well they probably don't have

:30:13.:30:16.

the votes to do that, but it allows them to keep putting political

:30:17.:30:19.

pressure on in the areas they believe worked for them in the

:30:20.:30:24.

campaign. Of course, for Jenny or the other new Labour MPs elected,

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they can go back to their constituencies this weekend and say,

:30:29.:30:31.

we tried to get this public sector pay cap scrapped and the Tories and

:30:32.:30:35.

their friends in the DUP stopped us, even though we've heard from some

:30:36.:30:39.

Tory Cabinet minister 's acknowledgement that maybe the

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public sector pay cap has to change. This is campaigning in Parliament,

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really, in a way that Jeremy Corbyn just didn't try and do in the

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previous session. Is their refuelling at the top of the Labour

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Party that the sooner there is another election better? -- is there

:30:57.:30:59.

a feeling. This is a good time for Labour. They are still 40, 50 seat

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behind the Tories, but the tide seems to be going their way a bit,

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as Mrs Sturgeon out at a bit, Nicola Sturgeon in Scotland, it doesn't

:31:11.:31:14.

always last. And as quickly as a search can sweep in, it can sweep

:31:15.:31:19.

out again. When we talk to people privately, the first thing they want

:31:20.:31:23.

to discuss is whether or not there will be an early general election.

:31:24.:31:26.

Like everybody else in Westminster, they are trying to work out what the

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chances really are. It may not be as high as popular opinion would

:31:31.:31:36.

suggest. That's right, and in the immediate aftermath of the election,

:31:37.:31:40.

at about 4am on election night, calling basically for Theresa May to

:31:41.:31:45.

go, that febrile mood has subsided quite a lot, I think. Most Tory MPs

:31:46.:31:51.

have now looked into the abyss, as it were, looking at Labour on the

:31:52.:31:55.

up, looking at themselves, wondering how they are going to go on, and the

:31:56.:31:59.

mood of something immediate has gone.

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People putting Labour Party posters on my home, photographing them and

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pushing them through my letterbox. Somebody even your naked on my

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office door. Hardly a kinder, gentler politics. -- somebody even

:32:56.:33:06.

if you were naked. -- urinated. It may be putting off people from

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serving in this place. My honourable friend is absolutely right to raise

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this issue, and she wasn't the only person that experienced this sort of

:33:17.:33:20.

intimidation during the election campaign. Particularly, I'm sorry to

:33:21.:33:28.

say, this sort of intimidation was experienced by female candidates

:33:29.:33:32.

during the election campaign. I believe that this sort of behaviour

:33:33.:33:38.

has no place in our democracy. And I think she's right. I think it could

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put good people off from serving in this house. We want more people to

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become engaged, more people to want to stand for election to this house,

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and I think particularly as I stand here and I see the plaque that has

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been dedicated to the late Jo Cox that we should all remember what Jo

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said, we are far more united and have far more in common with each

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other then the things which divide us. Mr Speaker, I welcome the

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announcement by the Crown Prosecution Service this morning

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that they are going to prosecute six people in relation to Hillsborough.

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This prosecution, the enquiry and this development only happened

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because of the incredible work done by the Hillsborough justice

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campaign, Andy Burnham, Steve Rotherham and other colleagues about

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this house, and I think we should pay tribute to all of those that

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spend a great deal of time trying to ensure there was justice for those

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that died at Hillsborough. Mr Speaker, 79 people died in Grenfell

:34:46.:34:49.

Tower. Our thoughts are with the families and friends of those that

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have died. Those still unaccounted for and those who are going to live

:34:53.:35:02.

with the trauma of this hoary thick -- horrendous and avoidable tragedy.

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Last Thursday, the Prime Minister said she expected to appoint a judge

:35:06.:35:10.

to chair the enquiry in the next few days. We haven't heard any more. Can

:35:11.:35:14.

she update the house when an appointment will be made and what

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will be the timetable for the enquiry. May I first of all I -- say

:35:18.:35:27.

that I think we are all welcoming but after so many years of waiting,

:35:28.:35:31.

the Hillsborough families and those different groups within

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Hillsborough, not just the Justice campaign, the family that came

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together and the work done by Margaret Aspinall and others, has

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been absolutely exemplary. And I'm sure obviously today will be a day

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of mixed emotions for them, that I welcome the fact that charging

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decisions have been taken. I think that is an important step forward.

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The right Honourable gentleman asked me to update him in regards Grenfell

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Tower. I would like to update the house on a number of aspects. We all

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know what an unimaginable tragedy this was and our thoughts will be

:36:10.:36:12.

with those who have been affected by it. As of this morning, the cladding

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in 30 areas has been tested and it has failed the combustibility test.

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Given the 100% failure rate, we are clear that they should not wait for

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test results but get on with the job of fire safety checks. You should

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take any action necessary and the government will support them in

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doing that. The community secretary has set up an independent advisory

:36:44.:36:46.

panel to advise on the measures that need to be taken, which is meeting

:36:47.:36:55.

this week. On the housing offer, 282 good-quality temporary properties

:36:56.:36:58.

have been identified. 132 families have had their needs assessed, and

:36:59.:37:03.

65 offers of temporary accommodation have already been made to families.

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The payment from the funds, those payments continue. As of this

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morning, nearly one point -- one 25p has been paid. We are giving an

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extra ?2 million to the local consortium of charities that has

:37:23.:37:28.

been doing so much important work. On the issue of the public enquiry,

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I expect to be able to name a judge soon. The process is that the Lord

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Chief Justice recommends the name of a judge. What we want to do is make

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sure as the process is going forward, the families, the

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survivors, have involvement. I thank the Prime Minister for that answer

:37:55.:37:58.

but I hope she is able to stick to her promise of everyone being

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rehoused within three weeks because at the moment it does not look

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anything like that target will be achieved. She, I hope, understand

:38:05.:38:09.

the fear that so many people have living in power blocs all around the

:38:10.:38:18.

country. In 2017, the all-party fire safety group said, today's buildings

:38:19.:38:23.

have a much higher content of readily available combustible

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material. There have been contradictory messages from the

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government. Can the Prime Minister give a clear answer, is cladding

:38:30.:38:36.

with a combustible core illegal and was the cladding of Grenfell Tower

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legal? The situation is, in relation to the cladding, the building

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regulations identify the cladding which is compatible and that which

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is noncompliant. My understanding is this particular cladding was not

:38:57.:39:00.

complying with the building regulations. This raises wider

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issues and it is important that we are careful in how we talk about

:39:09.:39:15.

this. There is a criminal investigation taking place and it is

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important that we allow the police to do that and take the decision

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that they need to take. But there is a much wider issue here. As we have

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seen from the number of buildings where the cladding has failed the

:39:29.:39:33.

combustibility test, from those samples sent in from local

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authorities already, this is a much wider issue, it is an issue that has

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been continuing for many years, for decades, in terms of cladding being

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put up in buildings. There are real questions as to how this has

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happened, why this has happened, and how we can ensure that it does not

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happen in the future. That's why I'm clear that in addition to the

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enquiry that needs to identify the specific issues for Grenfell Tower,

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what happened in relation to Grenfell Tower and who was

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responsible, we will also need to look much more widely at why it is

:40:07.:40:11.

that over decades, under different governments, under different

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councils, material has been put up on these power blocs that is

:40:20.:40:21.

noncompliant with building regulations. There is a very wide

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issue here. -- tower blocks. Last birthday the Prime Minister told the

:40:32.:40:34.

member for Leeds Central that she would make the results of the

:40:35.:40:37.

Grenfell Tower cladding testing public within 48 hours. I'm not sure

:40:38.:40:42.

if she has actually done that with her statement today. As of

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yesterday, and the Prime Minister has confirmed this, 120 high-rise

:40:49.:40:52.

blocks have had fire safety tests and feel Ben. -- failed them. What

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timetable has the Prime Minister set for such tests to be completed

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including schools and hospitals, and what plans does she have to compel

:41:06.:41:10.

the testing of high risers such as office blocks and hotels which may

:41:11.:41:16.

also have combustible cladding on them? If I can just say, my

:41:17.:41:22.

understanding was the police are going to make a statement and I

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think the police made a statement about the possession. In relation to

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the test, my message is a very simple one. As I said in my answer

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to his first question, what we are seeing two people is this is not a

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question of waiting for the tests. Don't wait until you've got a sample

:41:45.:41:50.

in. So far, 100% of the samples have proved to be combustible sole work

:41:51.:41:55.

on the assumption that you should be doing the test now. That's what we

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are telling people to do. Parts of the private sector are also doing

:42:02.:42:07.

their work but my response to all those who have buildings covered by

:42:08.:42:11.

this is do the fire safety checks with the Fire Service. Take any

:42:12.:42:18.

measures that are necessary and the government will support you in doing

:42:19.:42:25.

that. Since 2010 only a third of new schools have had sprinkler systems

:42:26.:42:30.

installed soap parents are quite rightly unsure about the safety of

:42:31.:42:34.

their children. A letter formally recommended that the government

:42:35.:42:41.

inform suppliers to consider retrofitting sprinklers. It was

:42:42.:42:46.

reported that 1% of council tower blocks had sprinklers fitted. Can

:42:47.:42:51.

the Prime Minister let us know what the government actually did to

:42:52.:42:55.

encourage retrofitting during the last four years? The government did

:42:56.:43:02.

ensure that local authorities were aware of the recommendations. They

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did act on that recommendation. But I say to the Right Honourable

:43:09.:43:12.

gentleman if we look at what has happened, and the identification of

:43:13.:43:15.

the issues in a number of tower blocks so far, their -- there are

:43:16.:43:22.

various issues that lead to concerns about fire safety. If we look at

:43:23.:43:27.

Camden, one of the five blocks was considered to be habitable but four

:43:28.:43:33.

were not. That was not just because of the cladding, it was because of

:43:34.:43:38.

other issues in relation for example to the gas rise. These issues raised

:43:39.:43:43.

wider questions about the inspections that have taken place,

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about residents complaints, voices not being heard. That is an issue

:43:51.:43:57.

that has been raised at Grenfell Tower. It is also in Camden. This is

:43:58.:44:04.

a much wider question. A terrible tragedy took place. People lost

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their lives who should never have lost their lives. We need to look at

:44:09.:44:13.

what has happened over decades in this country. Building regulations

:44:14.:44:22.

have not been overhauled, local authorities, whilst asked to act

:44:23.:44:27.

upon them, have had their budgets cut by 40%. Under her predecessor,

:44:28.:44:34.

fire safety audits and inspections work at by a quarter. Fire authority

:44:35.:44:41.

budgets were cut by a quarter. Can the Prime Minister give an assurance

:44:42.:44:46.

to the house that the further 20% cut to the Fire Service planned by

:44:47.:44:57.

2020 will be halted? I say to the right honourable gentleman that, in

:44:58.:45:01.

his reference to the building regulations, I think he has missed

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part of the point, which is that it is not just a question of what laws

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you have, it's how those are being applied, and that is the issue. We

:45:10.:45:15.

have the building regulations about compliant materials. The question

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is, why is it that, despite that, we have seen in local authority area

:45:23.:45:26.

after local authority area materials being put up that appear not to

:45:27.:45:29.

comply with those building regulations. And he talks about...

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That is what we need to get the bottom of, why is that fire

:45:38.:45:41.

inspections, that local authority inspections seem to have missed this

:45:42.:45:49.

essential issue. I think I can help the Prime Minister with this issue.

:45:50.:45:52.

When you cut local authority expenditure by 40%, you end up with

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fewer building control inspectors... SHOUTING.

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Order! It's pretty bad when people shout. For somebody to be sitting

:46:11.:46:15.

right by the Speaker's chair and shouting displays, let's say, a lack

:46:16.:46:18.

of wisdom which should not be repeated. Order. Every member in

:46:19.:46:23.

this chamber must and will be heard, however long the session has to run.

:46:24.:46:32.

Jeremy Corbyn. I was simply making the point, which seems to have upset

:46:33.:46:36.

a lot of members opposite, that when you cut local authority budgets by

:46:37.:46:39.

40% we all pay a price in public safety. Fewer inspectors, fewer

:46:40.:46:49.

building control inspectors, planning inspectors. We pay a price.

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And, Mr Speaker, those cuts to the Fire Service have meant there are

:46:56.:47:00.

11,000 fewer firefighters. The public sector pay cap is hitting

:47:01.:47:07.

recruitment and retention right across the public sector. What the

:47:08.:47:11.

tragedy of Grenfell Tower is exposed is a disastrous effects of

:47:12.:47:19.

austerity. RENEWED SHOUTING.

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Mr Speaker. This disregard for working-class communities, the

:47:30.:47:30.

terrible consequences of deregulation and cutting corners. I

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urge the Prime Minister to come up with the resources needed to test

:47:37.:47:44.

and remove planning, retrofit sprinklers, properly fund the Fire

:47:45.:47:48.

Service and the police so that all our communities can truly feel safe

:47:49.:47:55.

in their own homes. Mr Speaker, this disaster must be a wake-up call.

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CHEERING .

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The cladding of tower blocks didn't start under this government. It

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didn't start under the previous coalition government. The cladding

:48:12.:48:16.

of tower block began under the Blair government. The right honourable

:48:17.:48:27.

gentleman talks about local authority resources, and he talks

:48:28.:48:34.

about changes to the regulation. In 2005, it was a Labour government

:48:35.:48:36.

that introduced the regulatory reform fire safety order, which

:48:37.:48:44.

changed the requirement to inspect a building on fire safety from the

:48:45.:48:48.

local fire authority, which was usually the Fire Brigade, to a

:48:49.:48:52.

responsible person. The legislation governing fire safety in tower

:48:53.:48:57.

blocks, and this was commented on by the lack in all house report into

:48:58.:49:04.

that fire, it criticised that 2005 order which had been put in place by

:49:05.:49:11.

the Labour government. Order. The Prime Minister's answer must be

:49:12.:49:16.

heard. What approach and laws which took effect in 2006 ended the

:49:17.:49:24.

practice of routine fire inspections, passing the

:49:25.:49:26.

responsibility to councils. That is why I say to the right honourable

:49:27.:49:31.

gentleman, this should be an issue that across this house we recognise

:49:32.:49:36.

is a matter that has been developing over decades, is a matter that has

:49:37.:49:41.

occurred under governments of both colours, councils of all political

:49:42.:49:44.

persuasions, and is something which I would hope we would say we should

:49:45.:49:55.

come together and ensure that we... NOISE IN THE HOUSE.

:49:56.:50:01.

We get to the answers of why this has happened over the years, what

:50:02.:50:05.

has gone wrong and how we stop it from happening in the future. Order.

:50:06.:50:13.

Understandably, on this most solemn and sensitive matters, the front

:50:14.:50:15.

bench exchanges have been, perhaps inevitably and rightly, very

:50:16.:50:20.

pensive. I am now keen that all backbenchers scheduled to take part

:50:21.:50:25.

should have the opportunity. -- very comprehensive. Businesses in my

:50:26.:50:33.

constituency share the Prime Minister's desire to provide

:50:34.:50:35.

certainty for trade arrangements in the years immediately following our

:50:36.:50:39.

exit from the EU. In my right honourable friend confirm that any

:50:40.:50:42.

transitional arrangements will be for a strictly time-limited period

:50:43.:50:46.

and that any suggestion of ever retweeting deadlines or perpetual

:50:47.:50:51.

status quo would fall short of honouring the decision made by the

:50:52.:50:54.

people of this country to leave the EU? My honourable friend is

:50:55.:51:00.

absolutely right. For very practical reasons, when we know what the

:51:01.:51:05.

future relationship with the EU will be, we may need implementation

:51:06.:51:07.

periods. That will be to ensure that the practical arrangements can be

:51:08.:51:11.

put in place for that new relationship. But I am very clear

:51:12.:51:15.

that this doesn't mean unlimited transitional phase. We are going to

:51:16.:51:19.

leave the EU, that's what people wanted and that's what we will

:51:20.:51:25.

deliver. Can I welcome the announcement of the prosecutions on

:51:26.:51:29.

Hillsborough, and congratulate the families and all those involved in

:51:30.:51:33.

the many years of campaigning. Mr Speaker, the Scottish Secretary

:51:34.:51:37.

insisted that Scotland would see increased funding if the DUP secured

:51:38.:51:43.

money for Northern Ireland as part of a confidence and supply deal,

:51:44.:51:50.

insisting, quote, I'm not going to agree to anything that could be

:51:51.:51:53.

constructed as back door funding to Northern Ireland. Did the Prime

:51:54.:51:58.

Minister received any representations from the Scottish

:51:59.:52:01.

Secretary about the DUP deal, either before or after it was signed? I say

:52:02.:52:08.

to the honourable gentleman that, of course, when we look at what has

:52:09.:52:11.

happened in terms of funding for the rest of the UK, in the Autumn

:52:12.:52:16.

Statement last year, my right honourable friend, the Chancellor,

:52:17.:52:20.

set aside an infrastructure fund of ?23 billion. We are putting more

:52:21.:52:25.

money into our NHS, more money into our schools, and of course there is

:52:26.:52:29.

an impact on Scotland as a result of that Autumn Statement. ?800 million

:52:30.:52:33.

extra spending is going to Scotland. As a result of the budget, ?350

:52:34.:52:37.

million extra is going to Scotland. I don't remember when that money was

:52:38.:52:41.

announced the honourable gentleman complaining about more money should

:52:42.:52:47.

be going to Northern Ireland. But then, of course, he is a nationalist

:52:48.:52:58.

and not a unionist. Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister's failure to give a

:52:59.:53:02.

straight answer to that question speaks volumes.

:53:03.:53:08.

NOISE IN THE HOUSE. Order. Let's hear the fellow. Mr Ian

:53:09.:53:18.

Blackford. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Prime Minister's failure to give

:53:19.:53:22.

a straight answer to that question speaks volumes and has only

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succeeded in piling more pressure on the Scottish Secretary, whose

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position looks less secure with every day that passes. The

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honourable gentleman's question, and I think he is reaching it, must be

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heard. I will give the Prime Minister one more opportunity. Did

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she receive any representations about the DUP deal from the

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Secretary of State for Scotland, yes or no? I can assure the honourable

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gentleman that I regularly receive representations from the Secretary

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of State for Scotland about matters relating to Scotland, including

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regular representations which point out that, if the Scottish

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Nationalists actually had the interests of Scotland at heart, they

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would want to remain part of the UK. Given that rail passengers in my

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constituency of Lewis are once again facing rail misery with an overtime

:54:24.:54:27.

ban and strike action looming, does the Prime Minister not agree with me

:54:28.:54:31.

that the only way to end the 18 months rail misery for my

:54:32.:54:34.

constituents and all passengers on Southern Rail is for the unions to

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stop their strike and get back round the table? My honourable friend is

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absolutely right. Southern Rail passengers have experienced

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absolutely unacceptable delays and disruption to their service, and an

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expert report has found that the main cause of widespread disruption

:54:52.:54:58.

was union action. So, for the sake of the passengers, get round the

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table and solve this dispute. Can I thank the Prime Minister for coming

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to my constituency of Wrexham during the general election campaign? And

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for making a widely welcomed U-turn on the dementia tax. Can I invite

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the Prime Minister backs of Wrexham to make another announcement

:55:20.:55:25.

reversing her appalling cuts to police budgets, which my

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constituents want to see the back of? We are protecting police

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budgets, yes... NOISE IN THE HOUSE.

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We are protecting the least budgets. But we are, of course, making

:55:47.:55:53.

reforms to policing. That's why I introduced National Crime Agency, to

:55:54.:55:55.

deal with serious and organised crime that relates to crime on the

:55:56.:55:59.

streets. That is why we have put money into a new national cyber

:56:00.:56:03.

crime unit to ensure police can deal with the new sorts of crimes there

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are that they have to deal with. We are reforming policing, but the key

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to this is not that the number of police on the streets, but about

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what happens to crime, and crime has fallen to a record low. Mr Speaker,

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the Grenfell Tower tragedy shot and so many of us, because we all

:56:26.:56:28.

believe there is much that should never have happened, but to claim,

:56:29.:56:32.

the opposition front bench did, ahead of any enquiry, that, quote,

:56:33.:56:38.

residents were murdered by politicians, unquote, is grotesquely

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inappropriate. Would my honourable friend confirm that our government

:56:43.:56:45.

will get on with rebuilding lives and homes and progressing enquiries

:56:46.:56:51.

with urgency and nonpartisan calm? I think my honourable friend raises a

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very important point. What all of those affected by Grenfell Tower

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deserve is an enquiry that gets to the truth and provides them with the

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truth and with knowing who was responsible. We need to do that in a

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careful, calm and determined way and we need to use that same calm

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determination to make sure we get to the bottom of the wider issue of why

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it is that materials have been used in tower blocks around the country

:57:22.:57:24.

which appear to have been noncompliant with building

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regulations. There are real issues here and we are not going to get to

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the truth by pointing fingers. We will buy calm determination.

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Regarding the deal she has done with the DUP, is it true that on the one

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hand she is shelling out all of this extra money to secure their support

:57:45.:57:47.

while, on the other hand, she is still giving them tax payers' cash

:57:48.:57:51.

in the form of short to be in opposition? Is that what we get from

:57:52.:57:58.

this by Minister, no pay rise for nurses but double bubble for her

:57:59.:58:02.

friends in the DUP? -- is that what we get from this Prime Minister.

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Let's be clear about what the government has done in the agreement

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with the Democratic Unionist Party. As a result of the election, no

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party has a majority in this house. Yes.

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NOISE IN THE HOUSE. The party that had... The party that

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had the largest number of seats and the only party that can form an

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effective government is the Conservative Party. That's the right

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thing to do and that's what we've done. Does the Prime Minister share

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my concern that last year 50,000 people were stopped at the controls

:58:46.:58:51.

at Calais, 150 people every day? Does that underline not only that we

:58:52.:58:55.

should keep those controls in place but we should consider the case for

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investing more in state-of-the-art technology and more border officers

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so we can win the war against people traffickers and keep our borders

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safe and secure? I say to my honourable friend at our border

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force officers do an excellent job at the juxtaposed controls and the

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work they do in his constituency. Particularly the work they are doing

:59:17.:59:19.

to stop illegal immigrants and the human traffickers. They have indeed,

:59:20.:59:25.

we have been investing in the system capabilities. 108 million has been

:59:26.:59:29.

invested in the last two years in new technology, and a further 71

:59:30.:59:34.

million is earmarked for that in the current financial year. Of course,

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there are particular pressures on Dover. That's why we've invested

:59:37.:59:41.

more money to maintain security there, and to ensure the Calais camp

:59:42.:59:44.

remains closed, and we are meeting efforts upstream as well to ensure

:59:45.:59:49.

that we reduce the number of people trying to get to the UK illegally.

:59:50.:59:58.

The Foreign Office are putting extra money into the central Mediterranean

:59:59.:00:00.

route, for extra humanitarian support. I know the Prime Minister

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is well aware of the misery and suffering caused by reckless

:00:07.:00:16.

gambling. Following her recent own experience and the turmoil it has

:00:17.:00:19.

caused to her friends and colleagues, will she now commit to

:00:20.:00:24.

legislating against fixed odds betting terminals, because of so

:00:25.:00:28.

much hardship across our communities? As the honourable lady

:00:29.:00:32.

knows, a consultation was undertaken in relation to that particular

:00:33.:00:36.

issue, which the department for culture, media and sport are

:00:37.:00:38.

considering and we will announce a response in due course. In Fareham,

:00:39.:00:45.

63% of voters chose the Conservatives, giving us a record

:00:46.:00:50.

share of the vote not seen since 1935. Will my right honourable

:00:51.:00:54.

friend join me in reminding the chamber that this side won the

:00:55.:01:00.

election? Will she join me in thanking... Join me in thanking the

:01:01.:01:09.

good people of Fareham for placing their trust in the Conservatives,

:01:10.:01:12.

and in reassuring them that she is the best person to deliver a

:01:13.:01:16.

prosperity lead and successful Brexit? I am very happy to join her

:01:17.:01:24.

in thanking the good people of Fareham for re-electing a

:01:25.:01:29.

first-class Member of Parliament to represent them. She is absolutely

:01:30.:01:34.

right, of course. It was the Conservative Party that got the

:01:35.:01:37.

highest percentage share of votes in the election, the Conservative Party

:01:38.:01:42.

that got the most seats, 56 more than the Labour Party, and the

:01:43.:01:44.

Conservative Party that got more votes, and that's why we are an

:01:45.:01:51.

effective government. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Will the Prime Minister

:01:52.:01:55.

confirm that, last week, Britain's for most senior police officers, the

:01:56.:02:02.

commission of the Matt, the head of counterterrorism, the National Crime

:02:03.:02:04.

Agency and the police chiefs cancel all wrote to the government saying

:02:05.:02:12.

that counterterrorism, policing and protective security grant is being

:02:13.:02:15.

cut by 7.2 billion -- 7.2%? Doesn't that show contrary to what she just

:02:16.:02:22.

told the member for Wrexham, that her to protect police budgets is not

:02:23.:02:30.

being kept? -- that her promise to protect police budgets. We have

:02:31.:02:33.

protected counterterrorism policing. We have put money in. We have also

:02:34.:02:38.

put money in to an uplift, for an uplift in armed policing, and the

:02:39.:02:44.

commission of the Metropolitan Police has made the point that the

:02:45.:02:47.

Metropolitan Police are well resourced and have a wide diversity

:02:48.:02:53.

of tools that they can encounter in terrorism. That's the point, it's

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not just about the funding but ensuring they have the powers they

:02:58.:03:00.

need to deal with the terrorists. That's what we are determined to

:03:01.:03:02.

ensure. I was deeply alarmed to hear the

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announcement made from the Leader of the Opposition at the Glastonbury

:03:17.:03:19.

festival that he would abandon Trident. Would pro-government that

:03:20.:03:34.

provides -- would the payment to agree that it is only our party that

:03:35.:03:37.

can provide the safety the country needs? Can I welcome my honourable

:03:38.:03:46.

friend to this house. I'm sure he will be a fine representative of the

:03:47.:03:56.

constituency. And I join with him in seeing that in public Leader of the

:03:57.:04:04.

Opposition wanted to appear to support Trident but in private

:04:05.:04:13.

wanted to scrap it. It is only the Conservative Party that is clear

:04:14.:04:14.

about maintaining the deterrent. After being defeated by my

:04:15.:04:38.

honourable friend in Perth, this government has honoured the defeated

:04:39.:04:44.

candidate, Ian Duncan, with a job in the Scotland Office. Instead of this

:04:45.:04:48.

affront to democracy does she think she should stop treating the

:04:49.:04:54.

Scottish people with contempt and give the Scottish Government a seat

:04:55.:05:02.

at the Brexit negotiations table? We have, throughout the time, been

:05:03.:05:07.

working with and talking with the Scottish Government and other

:05:08.:05:09.

devolved administrations and we will continue to do that. I hope and

:05:10.:05:19.

trust that this means the Scottish Nationalists will be focused on

:05:20.:05:21.

issues that matter to Scotland rather than independence. If the

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Prime Minister aware of the current crisis in Venezuela and is this an

:05:33.:05:36.

example of how an experiment in socialist revolution can go horribly

:05:37.:05:47.

wrong? I have to say that I think he's made an extremely important

:05:48.:05:57.

point. When we are talking about trade deals in the future, the

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Leader of the Opposition and the Shadow Chancellor think the only

:06:01.:06:04.

good trade deals are with Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea. The brave men

:06:05.:06:12.

and women in our emergency services have consistently put the safety of

:06:13.:06:17.

others first. Especially in response to the terrible events we've seen in

:06:18.:06:21.

recent months. We pay tribute to the professionalism. That's why I

:06:22.:06:25.

believe it's important that we give them the resources they need to do

:06:26.:06:30.

their vital job. In Scotland it is outrageous that police and Fire

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Services are required to pay VAT, front line services paying ?35

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million. Order, Mr cleverly. You are usually the embodiment of calm,

:06:51.:06:56.

repose and statesmanship. Take some sort of tablet, man. Thank you

:06:57.:07:06.

again, Mr Speaker. I repeat that. It is outrageous that Fire Services and

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police services must pay VAT and it cost them ?35 million last year

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alone. Now that the Prime Minister has found the magic money tree, will

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she... We got the gist of it. The Prime Minister. When the Scottish

:07:32.:07:36.

Government took the decision to merge police forces into a single

:07:37.:07:41.

force, they were told that this would lead to VAT being paid by

:07:42.:07:48.

Police Scotland. They were advised that was the position that they

:07:49.:07:54.

chose to go ahead with the merger. Thank you very much. Today is the

:07:55.:08:02.

festival Day of Saint Alden is. What more can be done to protect persons

:08:03.:08:09.

of faith being persecuted for their faith, particularly students who are

:08:10.:08:15.

suffering large amounts of anti-Semitism? I am happy to

:08:16.:08:21.

recognise its. It is important. Sometimes we talk a lot about people

:08:22.:08:24.

being persecuted for their faith in countries abroad. We need to be very

:08:25.:08:30.

clear that sadly we do see people suffering attacks. The CST do a lot

:08:31.:08:41.

of work with students to support and I'm happy for that. We are

:08:42.:08:45.

supporting Muslim communities suffering from Islamophobic. There

:08:46.:08:54.

is no place for this in our society. The current Prime Minister recently

:08:55.:09:00.

visited my constituency. Upon being asked about the precarious situation

:09:01.:09:05.

facing the District Hospital and the Royal Infirmary she stated that

:09:06.:09:09.

people work scaremongering. And she used this opportunity to reassure my

:09:10.:09:13.

constituents that all services will be retained at both hospitals

:09:14.:09:16.

including a full accident and emergency provision? The honourable

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lady knows, I was asked, and I can confirm that Dewsbury accident and

:09:26.:09:30.

emergency is not closing. The service will be open 24 hours a day,

:09:31.:09:36.

seven days a week. A majority of patients will see no change. Thank

:09:37.:09:45.

you, Mr Speaker. The repeated claim that spending ever increased amounts

:09:46.:09:51.

of money on foreign aid keeps this country safe has been shown by

:09:52.:09:56.

recent events to be utter nonsense. Can I tell the Prime Minister that

:09:57.:10:00.

spending more money on overseas aid does not make of the compassionate,

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it makes us look idiotic, when that money is much needed in the United

:10:06.:10:12.

Kingdom. Can she promised to slash the overseas aid budget, spend it on

:10:13.:10:18.

priorities in the UK? I hope she does not have a strange political

:10:19.:10:22.

aversion to pursuing policies that might be popular with the public. I

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can assure my honourable friend that I don't have that aversion but on

:10:28.:10:31.

this issue I do take a different view. I think it is important that

:10:32.:10:37.

given the position we hold, the state of our economy, one of the

:10:38.:10:40.

largest economies in the world, we recognise that we can help those

:10:41.:10:46.

around the world. We are seeing millions of people, particularly

:10:47.:10:52.

girls, being educated. I think that's important. I recognise what

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my honourable friend has said, that we have suffered from terrible

:10:57.:11:00.

terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom, are services have also

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foiled a number. Going back over recent years as well. I think it's

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important that we are able to use the money to ensure good governance

:11:12.:11:17.

in countries saw that we don't see the creation of spaces where

:11:18.:11:22.

terrorists are able to train. I must thank the Prime Minister and most of

:11:23.:11:27.

the Cabinet for visiting healing because my majority went up 50

:11:28.:11:37.

times. 53,000 EU nationals reside in the London Borough of Ealing and

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they would like some clarity on this fair and generous offer of how much

:11:41.:11:45.

extra the applications are going to cost them and why it is that they

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are not going to be able to vote in local elections as they are now? I

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would say, I'm grateful she described it as a fear and generous

:11:55.:11:57.

offer. I think it is fair and generous for people to ensure that

:11:58.:12:03.

they are able to stay and they will have rights.

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A significant number of charities, including those having to look after

:12:14.:12:20.

the most vulnerable in our society, our under closure because of the

:12:21.:12:27.

National living wage and HMRC's insistent that there is six years

:12:28.:12:31.

back page despite the advice only changing last year. With the Prime

:12:32.:12:38.

Minister asked HMRC to suspend any actions until we find a workable

:12:39.:12:42.

solution. My honourable friend has raised a very important issue and it

:12:43.:12:45.

is one that he cares about particularly. It is through the

:12:46.:12:49.

National living wage that we are making sure that PSP. That pay is

:12:50.:12:55.

fair. But on this point, the Department of Health and the

:12:56.:12:58.

relevant department are looking at this carefully because they want to

:12:59.:13:03.

ensure that enforcement protects low paid workers in a proportionate

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manner. We've invested more money in social care. We need to look at this

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issue on a longer-term basis. I can assure him are looking at the

:13:14.:13:20.

specific issues. Does the Prime Minister think, like her Brexit

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secretary, it will be simple to deliver the free trade deal with the

:13:30.:13:33.

European Union. The Brexit secretary and I have said we think a

:13:34.:13:37.

comprehensive trade agreement is not just possible but will be easy over

:13:38.:13:44.

other third-party countries because we are operating on the same basis

:13:45.:13:52.

at the moment. Therefore, we are not negotiating in the same position as

:13:53.:13:56.

say, Canada or other countries. I think we can achieve that and it

:13:57.:14:02.

will be good for the UK and good for the EU. With the Prime Minister

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agree that an opposition leader who claims to be all things to all men

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saying one thing to remain voters in London and quite another in leave

:14:14.:14:18.

voters constituencies is no kind of leader at all and maybe that is why

:14:19.:14:24.

he was rejected in the recent elections? I would like to welcome

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my honourable friend. I was very pleased to visit his constituency.

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Absolutely right. People want to know the position of the parties on

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this question. We are very clear that we want to see the country

:14:49.:14:53.

coming together and we want to deliver. It is what the government

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will do. Can I beg the Prime Minister at this crucial time to

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listen to the many friends we have in Europe and the world who fear

:15:09.:15:12.

that we are sleepwalking into a disastrous deal with Europe. They've

:15:13.:15:19.

no confidence in the three ministers in charge of the deal and believe

:15:20.:15:23.

our country is going to be deeply damaged, in terms of our economy and

:15:24.:15:28.

our fall in the world, if we don't get our act together. I have to say

:15:29.:15:37.

that the Brexit negotiations have started formally. There was a

:15:38.:15:42.

constructive and positive start with my right honourable friend, the

:15:43.:15:47.

Secretary of State for exiting the EU, and the commission's appointed

:15:48.:15:52.

negotiator. We've set up three working groups dealing with citizens

:15:53.:15:58.

rights, and a dialogue on the issue of the border between Northern

:15:59.:16:04.

Ireland and Ireland. That is important. We've set out our

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objectives, published our objectives, we know the plan. The

:16:15.:16:17.

party that does not know the plan is his party. The Prime Minister was

:16:18.:16:25.

crystal clear on Monday that the reciprocal agreements should include

:16:26.:16:31.

the people of Gibraltar. On Tuesday the Spanish Foreign Minister sought

:16:32.:16:36.

yet again to suggest Spain should have unilateral veto. Will make it

:16:37.:16:42.

clear that this is pointless and counter-productive and our

:16:43.:16:48.

commitment is absolute. I thank my honourable friend for raising that

:16:49.:16:52.

issue. This government's commitment to Gibraltar has not changed and it

:16:53.:17:04.

will remain. Suicide rates in Northern Ireland, in my

:17:05.:17:07.

constituency, are some of the worst in Europe and the developed world.

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Clinicians have pointed to the legacy of 30 years of terrorism and

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violence and the awful legacy. Part of the money we are investing goes

:17:21.:17:27.

to health care. Isn't it time people recognised this is delivery for all

:17:28.:17:34.

of the people of Northern Ireland and is going to help some of the

:17:35.:17:40.

most vulnerable and disadvantaged people in Northern Ireland? People

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should get behind it and welcome it. My right honourable friend makes a

:17:47.:17:50.

very important point on this. It is the case, as we said in the

:17:51.:17:57.

agreement, that we recognise the particular circumstances of Northern

:17:58.:18:02.

Ireland that have arisen as a result of its history. There will be mental

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health issues that arise as a part of that. It is important we put more

:18:07.:18:14.

into mental health across the UK. I visited a school in Bristol. As he

:18:15.:18:27.

says, the money is for the good of all people across Northern Ireland.

:18:28.:18:36.

I wonder if the Prime Minister has an opportunity to see the British

:18:37.:18:41.

attitudes survey which stated 75% of British people wanted to leave the

:18:42.:18:48.

EU. She will now that more than 80% of the British electorate voted for

:18:49.:18:54.

parties that want to leave the EU. She will know from her extensive

:18:55.:19:02.

canvassing that thousands of people tell me the referendum to say that

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the issue, just get on and leave the EU. Would she assure the house that

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she will make it her priority? What I've seen across the country is eyed

:19:15.:19:20.

unity of purpose for people. Regardless of how they voted in the

:19:21.:19:24.

referendum, their view is the decision has been taken, just

:19:25.:19:35.

deliver it. Thank you very much. With 9 million people in our country

:19:36.:19:41.

lonely all or most of the time, and loneliness as bad for your health as

:19:42.:19:46.

smoking 15 cigarettes a day, will the Prime Minister join with the

:19:47.:19:49.

honourable member for South Rebel and myself in encouraging members of

:19:50.:19:55.

the host to attend the Jo Cox loneliness event immediately after

:19:56.:20:00.

PMQs today to find out what all of us can do to tackle this blight in

:20:01.:20:06.

our society? The honourable lady has raised an important point and I

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would like to say the work you're both doing is excellent, I encourage

:20:13.:20:18.

members of the house to do what she says. We all recognise the impact

:20:19.:20:25.

loneliness has on health. We've been able to put some support into the

:20:26.:20:36.

programme. We are helping the skills of volunteers over 50 in looking at

:20:37.:20:42.

these issues. It's an important issue and honourable members should

:20:43.:20:43.

recognise the work. Order. That brings us to the end of the

:20:44.:20:55.

first Prime Minister's Questions of the new parliament, and it set a

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record, over 50 minutes long, probably the longest PMQs on record.

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The speaker wants to have an hour-long PMQs, if so, perhaps he

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should just have one and tell us and then we could make our plans

:21:10.:21:13.

accordingly, instead of just making it up as he goes along. Over 50

:21:14.:21:18.

minutes. The exchanges between the front benches concentrated above all

:21:19.:21:23.

on Grenfell Tower, as it's the first time we have had PMQs since that

:21:24.:21:26.

terrible disaster. Mr Corbyn began by asking some detailed questions

:21:27.:21:32.

about the cladding, about the file revelations and so on, and we got

:21:33.:21:38.

some answers, or at least some points, but he finished up by

:21:39.:21:42.

accusing the austerity cuts, claiming that the austerity cuts and

:21:43.:21:46.

cuts to local government spending were the reason that these sort of

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things happened. The really interesting thing that came out was

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that 120 blocks are now being investigated, and 120 blocks have

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failed the fire test. Every one investigated so far was found to

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have cladding that was combustible. On a question from Mr Corbyn, the

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Prime Minister seemed to indicate that it was actually illegal to use

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this cladding, because it was combustible, and yet it was on 120

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blocks and rising, and that would seem to be the big question. How was

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it, given that the cure rate -- given the building revelations

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seemed to forbid this kind of cladding on high rise, that it was

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used almost ubiquitously, everywhere? That's the question that

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so far nobody seems to be able to answer. Such a huge question. It's

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not clear that people are prepared to wait for a long inquest before

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they get to the bottom of it. Finally, the Prime Minister saying

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that, given 120, every one so far, you shouldn't wait for tests, that

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local authorities should get on and fit new fire and safety checks into

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these buildings right away, assuming that actually almost all the blogs

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that are going to be tested will pour into the field category. -- all

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of the blocks. What did the viewers make of it? Dave said that Jeremy

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Corbyn cleverly walked Mrs May down a seemingly neutral path and hit her

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with austerity very well. He seems transformed. Has he been replaced

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with a competent double? Martin said, it's clear that Labour is

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going to be that lingers deficit reduction by linking austerity with

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deaths. It is argued that money is the only thing that makes people do

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the right thing and is required to keep people safe. In effect, human

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beings have responsibility. John says, Mrs May has lost some arrogant

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and Jeremy Corbyn has gained confidence, but it is still the

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mediocre facing the mediocre. Ken says, difficult decisions, taxing

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and a freezing the just about managing isn't difficult. It's now

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time for difficult decisions, taxing the wealthy and inflicting seven

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years austerity on them, or is that too difficult for the Conservatives?

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This is the big mystery, and it's taking Grenfell Tower for us as a

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country to realise it, that it looks like it was almost par for the

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course that buildings were being clad in combustible material which

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would seem to have been banned by the building regulations, and

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certainly should have been banned. The Prime Minister said, this

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cladding, in the case at Grenfell, wasn't complying. She was unwilling

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to go much further is an investigation running. But this is

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the question being asked across the political spectrum. There are lots

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of theories floating around. One thing that one of our colleagues on

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Newsnight, Chris Cook, is on a lot of work on is trying to show how the

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changes in regulation lead to a system where they were being

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considered more as broad guidelines rather than as specifics. Jeremy

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Corbyn was asking some detailed questions about who was responsible

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for fire safety checking and so on. They're clearly has, in terms of the

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culture of regulation, been quite a big change over the last decade or

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so, but what we also saw today, for the first time, was Theresa May very

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carefully and definitely trying to push back at some of the accusations

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about how austerity was part of what's happened here. We saw a

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Conservative MP, Richard Graham, ask her to condemn John McDonnell's

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comments, and you were talking about this before, and of course this is a

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political situation. Of course it is a political question. But we saw how

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Theresa May was trying to tiptoe away, and actually quite directly

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say, this started under the Blair government. Cladding these buildings

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began a long time ago, and I think most people across politics would

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accept this is something that hasn't been taken seriously enough over a

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quite a long terrible time. Cladding isn't necessarily bad. It has made a

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lot of buildings look more modern, it has helped with insulation. Did

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we have any idea that, as we were doing this cladding, that we were

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using material that was combustible? That is what the public enquiry will

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have to identify. There is also a criminal investigation taking place.

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We have to let that happen. It is right and proper that we take urgent

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action to remove the fire risk. That is a real and immediate priority.

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Understanding what has gone wrong is something we have to do. My regrets

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today is distinct Jeremy Corbyn trying to link austerity, as he

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phrases it, which from my point of view is dealing with a huge deficit

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post 2010, to a national tragedy. We don't yet know the causes and

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understand what's gone wrong. We know it goes back many years. We

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know it's been a feature in authorities of all political

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persuasions. I think it's important that we take a step back. Let's not

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as politicians throw mud at each other over this. Let's try and work

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out what's gone wrong and make sure it can never happen again and

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provide support to authorities to make sure. Whether it started under

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the Blair government doesn't seem to me to be relevant. There was a

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policy of doing more cladding. What will surprise people, and it's not

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linked to austerity, is that you would need a building regulation to

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tell you not to put a combustible material on. I think the dog could

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have told you that! Yes, and that's the first question that needs to be

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answered. Jeremy went to Grenfell and met families and looked them in

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the eye and said he would support them, and what politicians always do

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when they don't want to confront these very difficult challenges is

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say, let's not bring politics into this, but it is political. Decisions

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were made not just about cladding but other issues. But long before

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austerity. We don't know that. But it goes back to the Blair

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government. We don't know how much of this is the cladding, how much of

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this is failure to inspect and to do testing. Wood I need to stop you

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both. We think of something totally different.

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There's just time to put you out of your misery and give

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It was the year 2000. Jenny, do you want the press that button? I'd be

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delighted. Don't worry, nothing terrible happens. The winner is

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David Upton from Ruislip in Middlesex was well done. The year

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was 2000. That is near where my mum lives. She'll probably trying to

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nick it! The one o'clock news is starting

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over on BBC One now. Jo and I will be here at noon

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tomorrow with all the big political Brexit means Brexit.

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We did it! To pretend that it's going to be

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plain sailing is such knuckle-headed lunacy.

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Happy days are here.

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Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn present live coverage of the first Prime Minister's Questions since the election. They are joined by transport secretary Chris Grayling and shadow Brexit minister Jenny Chapman.

The Guess the Year competition closes at 12.30pm during the live broadcast of this programme.


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