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Morning, folks - welcome to the Daily Politics.


28 years after the Hillsborough Stadium disaster and an inquest that


concluded the 96 victims were unlawfully killed -


the Crown Prosecution Service say they are to bring charges


against 6 people - we'll bring you the details.


MPs prepare to vote on a Labour call for more police officers,


firefighters and an end to the public sector pay cap -


how will Theresa May fare in this first test


It's the first Prime Minister's Questions of the new parliament -


the main characters are the same - but has the election


And Nicola Sturgeon reflects on the general election result -


she still wants a second independence referendum -


All that in the next 90 minutes and with us for the duration on this


first Prime Minsiter's Questions of the new parliament


is the Transport Secretary, Chris Grayling and the Shadow Brexit


First this morning, as we come on air the Crown Prosecution Service


have announced that they will bring criminal charges


against individuals in relation to the Hillsborough Stadium


Among them is the Chief Superintendent and the former Chief


Constable of South Yorkshire, and the former Sheffield Wednesday club


secretary. This is what Sue Hemming,


Head of Special Crime at the CPS had to say in a statement that's


just been released. At the turn of the year,


the CPS received the first full files of evidence from Operation


Resolve and the Independent Police Complaints Commission in relation


to their investigations into the Hillsborough disaster


and the events which followed. The Operation Resolve files


comprised approximately 85,000 pages, and the IPCC


South Yorkshire Police file Following these thorough


investigations and our careful review of the evidence,


in accordance with the code for Crown prosecutors,


I have decided that there is sufficient evidence to charge six


individuals with criminal offences. Your reaction? The important thing


is not to say too much because there is clearly a trial to come. I hope


the decision and the process that will follow will give an opportunity


for the families to have real closure but whatever the outcome of


the trial, it will have hopefully brought the truth into the open and


it will give those families, who'd been through so much the years, a


degree of closure. I hope it at least gives them satisfaction that


proper process has been followed. We cannot talk too much about the


charges, they've been announced. We can say that nobody will face


corporate charges. All the defendants bar one will appear


before magistrates on August nine. I due -- would you like to say


something having heard this news? This will be welcomed by the


families of the victims of Hillsborough. This is something


they've wanted for many years. It has taken 20 years to get here and


there will be many people reflecting on the length of time that has


taken. There will be vindication for the families that they have kept


this campaign alive and been relentless in their campaign to see


justice. It is good that we are here, it is so sad that it has taken


so long. They were told at a private meeting before it was made public.


She promised strong and stable government.


But instead Theresa May leads a depleted team


Today - as she tries to get her Queen's speech through -


she faces Jeremy Corbyn in the first Prime Minister's Questions


So how will Mrs May's hung minority government work,


what policies will it pursue and how will the opposition


Here's Jo with the Daily Politics Minority Report.


On Monday Theresa May signed a so-called "confidence and supply"


deal with the Democratic Unionist Party.


The government gets the support of the DUP on key votes


in Parliament concerning the Queen's speech and Budget bills.


In return for DUP support, Northern Ireland receives


one billion pounds to fund infrastructure projects,


improve broadband and relieve pressures on the health service


Theresa May was also forced to abandon manifesto proposals


to means-test the Winter Fuel allowance and changes to the


The first test for May's minority government


will be getting the Queen's speech through Parliament.


It contains 27 bills - eight relating to Brexit.


The UK's position remains that it will leave


the single market and customs union with a time limited "transitional


deal" to avoid a cliff-edge scenario when new arrangements kick in.


Labour has tabled an amendment to the Queen's


speech that calls for an end to austerity and the 1%


and fire service in the recent terrorist attacks and at


the Grenfell fire disaster - and calls for the recruitment


off the Labour challenge with the help of DUP support.


Thank you. Chris Grayling. By the time of the election, you had


presided over seven years of austerity for the British people.


You basically promised another five. The British people said, you're not


on. Why were they wrong? Let's be clear what you mean about austerity.


It means the nation living between its means. Within. Yes. We have


sought to keep bringing the amount down, to stop passing debt to the


next generation. It has been a difficult balance, there have been


tough decisions. We have the lowest unemployment since the 1970s. The


jobs picture has been beyond all my expectations. I could never have


imagined we would make this progress. Austerity is a 1% public


sector pay for some people at a time when inflation is 3%. That is


austerity for public sector workers. We've had to take some tough


decisions. We will need to think through what we do. But we've not


shied away from tough decisions. It has been tough decisions for other


people. It enables us to save public sector jobs. You were promising


more. It was endless and relentless. During the election public sector


workers were saying, we understood everybody had to tighten their


belts, we did that, we've been on the front line. There's been a huge


cut in public sector jobs as well. But they've had enough. And we are


going to listen to the outcome of the referendum. -- the election.


What does that mean, listen? We are not going to announce financial


measures today. When you talk about the election. We had a disappointing


result, we still increased our thoughts. We got more votes than


Tony Blair dead. You are a minority government. I would hardly say it is


success. I would not say we lost. With this government commits, for


the rest of its life, not to cut police numbers any further? Two


points, we are protecting police budgets and you will have heard the


woman who runs the Fire Service saying she does not have a problem


with the resources she's got. Will you commit to not cutting police or


Fire Service numbers. You have cut them. We will announce in the


budget, not in the Queen's speech debate. Philip Hammond says we are


not deaf. That is what he said a day ago. If so, tell us what you are


going to do. We've had three terrorist attacks in a row. We've


had the worst public disaster since Hillsborough. Surely it stands to


reason that police numbers will be protected? The police budget is


being protected. Use a budget, I see numbers. You like they are the same


thing. They are not. You can spend the budget on all sorts of other


things. We are providing them with a budget which is protecting them. Are


you just on the wrong side of the zeitgeist? Some gains have been


made, but the deficit is still ?50 billion. Perhaps some tax rises to


increase public spending is what the public demands? We've done two


things on tax. People on lower incomes have been facing a policy of


the kind you described. We've been cutting that year after year but


we've also increased the taxation on the wealthiest. They pay a higher


share of their income than was the case when Labour in power. You have


not increased it. The result has been you've got more tax revenues.


That is not government policy. It is the case that they are paying a


higher share. Not because you've increased their taxes. What taxes


have you put up for the rich? They pay a higher share of income today.


I understand that. But you've said, we've put taxes up for the rich.


What have you put up? We've put in tax avoidance measures which mean


people paying a higher share of their income than they did under


Labour. You found ?1 billion for the DUP. You found money to fill that


hole as well. Where is your magic money tree hidden? Is it in the


garden of Downing Street? We have a much sounder public finance than we


did seven years ago. You still have the largest budget deficit of any


major economy in Europe. Philip Hammond set in place policies with


flexibility to allow us to invest in priorities and I make no apologies


for investing in infrastructure in Northern Ireland which does not have


the same quality in infrastructure. But you're basically using our money


to prop up your government. It is not your money. We could well have


said we should spend an extra billion and if we had done it


through the country we could have had a 2% pay rise for NHS staff,


16,000 new social homes, 71 new schools, one year of three primary


schools. Instead it has gone to that part of the country that you need to


prop you up. Yes, we are spending more money on infrastructure in


Northern Ireland and also around the UK, we've got new roads. There are


always new roads. In what way was austerity responsible for Grenfell


Tower? I'm not saying it was. Some in the Labour Party have. I know,


and I've heard what they've said. I think we need to wait for the


enquiry to find out what was responsible and who is responsible.


Can you give any reason that it was austerity? We know that it was a


terrible tragedy and that we need to get to the bottom of it, but as a


general consequence of austerity, what is the link between what you


regard as austerity and what happened on that terrible night? It


would appear, and I'm accepting we need an enquiry, that decisions were


taken for financial reasons that led to that Tara being as unsafe as it


was. We don't know that. We spent ?8 million on it. It was... It is not


clear but it looks like it was spent wrongly, like wrong materials were


used, like it is not unique at all to Grenfell Tower. That is not


because it did not have money spent on it but it was spent on it in the


wrong way. Indeed, and why did that not happen and why were those


decisions made? It is culpability but not austerity. I will not make


something up that suits me politically about something that was


horrific. Have some of your colleagues gone too far? I think


some of the language has. One of our missions is to clarify


both the government and Labour position on Brexit, which isn't easy


in either case. Let me show you this clip from the former Labour Europe


minister, Caroline Flint, on the single market membership.


Those who aim to keep us in the single market know full well


that this is EU membership in all but name.


Now, I promised to work for the best deal for jobs in Doncaster,


to protect workers' rights, to end free movement as we know it


And we can't spend the next 18 months looking like we're just


scoring points to vote down every one of the Tories' EU bills.


I think, if we do that, we will look like liars.


Do you agree? I think that if we have a position which says, we want


to maintain full membership as it currently exists of the single


market, that would be the wrong position for the Labour Party to


take and the wrong thing for the country to try and do. I think we


need the fullest possible access and the government needs to be more


ambitious in the way it negotiates that, because it seems to have


backed off very quickly from trying to have full access and reform of


freedom of movement. It wants a free trade agreement and it accepts or


believes we cannot be members of the single market. My understanding is


that is pretty close to the Labour position, is it not? It's been


interesting watching the Tories over the last few weeks. Their position


has come a bit closer to ours. They have moved to you? I think so. In


January, the Prime Minister was saying that no deal is better than a


bad deal. That seems to have been ditched. There is an acknowledgement


that we are going to need some form of transitional arrangement. That


wasn't the case previously. Now that seems to be accepted. The government


is now saying, Philip Hammond has said that he wants jobs and the


economy to be the first concern in the Brexit negotiations. This is


welcome as well. Let's see how that plays out. It's at an early stage.


Into interesting that you say that the integration now perhaps is that


jobs should be more important in controlling immigration. We had a


bit of a clear out but we found this from, I'm voting Labour, 7th of May


2015, controls on immigration. Yes. Would you still like to drink out of


that cup? I'd be proud to drink out of it! You need controls on


immigration. We need rules and control, but rules and control that


don't harm our industry and economy. We would agree on this. We want a


broad ranging free trade agreement. We want sensible partnership and to


be able to maintain controls on immigration, but not to starve


business of the ability to recruit when it meets too, so should be


standing side-by-side for the I'd hope that Jenny and her colleagues


would... What is more important to you, getting down to your 100,000


target, which I still think is your policy, or jobs for the economy? We


can debate the immigration mechanisms, and we can have our


divisions over them, but if we agree that we need controls, we have to


leave the single market and make sure that Brexit works well. We


could do this more effectively if Labour simply supported it. We are


going to move on, because that had nothing... It's an interesting


answer which had nothing to do with what I asked.


Now - after the election, the Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn said


that the Conservative Party, not Labour, had "lost"


and since then Mr Corbyn and his allies have certainly been


But some of the language from the Labour leader and his key


After the Grenfell Tower disaster, the former Labour


frontbencher Clive Lewis posted a tweet saying: "Burn


And the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell told an audience


at Glastonbury that the people who died in the Grenfell Tower


fire were "murdered by political decisions".


The senior Labour backbencher Margaret Hodge


criticised Mr McDonnell - she said "That is language


of the hard left which is not done in my name".


And even John Healey, who sits in the Shadow Cabinet


with John McDonnell, said: "I wouldn't use


While Jeremy Corbyn was at Glastonbury he told


the festival's founder, Michael Eavis, that he would


be in Downing Street in just "six months" time.


He said he would abolish the Trident nuclear deterrent


And John McDonnell has also said that he wants to see


"a million" people take to the streets for a march


in London this Saturday, in order to ensure that the next


election comes "as early as possible".


We have touched on this, but the claim by the Shadow Chancellor that


victims who died in the Grenfell Tower fire had been murdered by


political decisions, would you use that language? I wouldn't. The legal


definition of murder wouldn't be met by what happened. But John is very


angry, as are a lot of people. He is for using colourful language. He


feels very strongly about this. And he used language he did. It isn't


something I would have said. Should he retract it? To say that people


have been murdered by political decisions is pointing the finger of


blame very squarely on people before we know any of the answers to what


happened at Grenfell. You'd have to put that to him, not me. It isn't


something I would have set myself. He is responsible for what he says.


It isn't unusual for John to use these kinds of rhetoric. It does


occasionally get him into difficulty, but he is the one who


needs to account for that. Is the Shadow Chancellor. Clive Lewis,


another of your colleagues, said Bernd neoliberalism, not people,


implying that deliberately people are being burned. -- said burn


neoliberalism. There is real anger out there about what happened and


not just among people directly affected. People in my constituency


see what happened and are very angry. They feel that people are in


a situation where the authorities should have been more mindful of


their safety and they weren't, and there is a natural, human response


to that, which is anger. Sometimes, people get carried away and they


will use language which, in the cold light of day, you might not choose,


but that is a human response. I should think that everybody was


angry about it, but is it anger or is it politicising what is a


terrible tragedy? I think people who say that we shouldn't have any


politics in our thoughts around this are wrong as well. There were


clearly decisions made by people who are in elected office that had an


effect on what happened that night. As I said before, it would be wrong


to say which decisions and who is responsible and what should happen


to them at this stage... It could be successive government and councils.


Yes, but to say there is no politics in this is wrong. It was a private


conversation but it has been widely reported and not denied, but Mr


Corbyn told the founder of Glastonbury, according to him, that


he plans to scrap Trident as soon as possible if he were to become Prime


Minister, which he thought would happen in six months. Is that what


Jeremy Corbyn has told you and Labour MPs? It isn't. It is great he


is feeling so confident, and he is a man with a mojo right now, but our


position on Trident is settled and we would keep the nuclear deterrent,


and I think that ship has sailed because we have voted on it. So, you


know... Has the mood changed in Labour? Is it a confident package?


It is. When you think about where we were six or three months ago, we are


in a much better place. The election took us to somewhere we didn't


expect to be. We gained seats, the Tories lost their majority but this


is progress, but we have a hell of a job to win those 62 seats we need to


form the next government. That is what we will focus on. How is your


mojo? It's always been top notch! I lost mine after ten hours of


election results. That careless of you.


Now, gardeners at Her Majesty's Treasury are expecting a bumper


harvest this year after peculiarly favourable growing conditions


for the tree species arbor pecuniae magicae -


or to give it its common name, the Magic Money Tree.


Much of the crop is being harvested and sent to Belfast.


We have no pecuniary interest in any windfall notes that might


find their way to the Daily Politics studio, but there's only


one thing more sought after here in Westminster


than the votes of Northern Irish MPs...


Now, of course, we don't take bribes - although the infrastructure


round here is starting to feel a bit tatty...


We wouldn't mind that! This is the product of austerity, as you can


see. A new sofa that much. Or one of those posh desks that


Huw Edwards has got - Instead of the ones we got from Blue


Peter 40 years ago. Just a thought. We'll let you have our bank account


details in a moment - otherwise can you guess


when this happened? # Look at my life, look in my heart


I have seen it fall apart # Go on, go on


Come on, leave my breathless...# He says it's time for someone else


to lead the party into the next general and Scottish


Parliamentary elections. # I played with your heart


Got lost in the game # Oops, you think I'm in love


That I'm sent from above # You can try to resist


Try to hide from my kiss # But you know, but you know that


you can't fight the moonlight # Deep in the dark


You'll surrender your heart # But you know, you know that you


can't fight the moonlight, no...# # Don't think that I'm not strong


I'm the one to take you on # Don't underestimate me, boy


I'll make you sorry you were born # You don't know me


the way you really should # You got to know that,


baby, that will never do # It's time you knew


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It's coming up to midday here - just take a look at Big Ben -


and that can mean only one thing: Yes, Prime Minister's


The first PMQs of this new parliament.


Jeremy Corbyn will still be asking the questions and Theresa May


will still be answering them - but having lost the government's


majority - how has her own party's view of her changed?


I think she's in very difficult place.


She's a remarkable and she's a very talented woman,


and she doesn't shy from difficult decisions, but she now has


Do you think Theresa May is fatally damaged after this result?


Does she still have your support, Boris?


It's just how long she's going to remain on death row.


I don't think it's very seemly to dance on Theresa May's grave.


She won, you know, the biggest share of the vote since,


I think, the 1987 election, for over 30 years.


There's no crisis about this government.


It's very clear that she is a good Prime Minister.


I'm completely backing Theresa May as our Prime Minister.


You'd want a second opinion, wouldn't you? No crisis, says David


Davis. I wonder who he could be referring to! Joining us now, the


star of stage, screen and the public prints, the BBC's political editor.


What we haven't talked about this morning, what are Labour's tactics


now towards the Queen's Speech? In a hung parliament, this becomes much


more interesting than if the Tories had a 100 seat majority. Of course,


and I think the Labour tactic in its simplest terms is to try and keep


the momentum going that they created in the general election campaign.


For example, today, they are putting down an amendment to try and scrap


the public sector pay cap, knowing full well they probably don't have


the votes to do that, but it allows them to keep putting political


pressure on in the areas they believe worked for them in the


campaign. Of course, for Jenny or the other new Labour MPs elected,


they can go back to their constituencies this weekend and say,


we tried to get this public sector pay cap scrapped and the Tories and


their friends in the DUP stopped us, even though we've heard from some


Tory Cabinet minister 's acknowledgement that maybe the


public sector pay cap has to change. This is campaigning in Parliament,


really, in a way that Jeremy Corbyn just didn't try and do in the


previous session. Is their refuelling at the top of the Labour


Party that the sooner there is another election better? -- is there


a feeling. This is a good time for Labour. They are still 40, 50 seat


behind the Tories, but the tide seems to be going their way a bit,


as Mrs Sturgeon out at a bit, Nicola Sturgeon in Scotland, it doesn't


always last. And as quickly as a search can sweep in, it can sweep


out again. When we talk to people privately, the first thing they want


to discuss is whether or not there will be an early general election.


Like everybody else in Westminster, they are trying to work out what the


chances really are. It may not be as high as popular opinion would


suggest. That's right, and in the immediate aftermath of the election,


at about 4am on election night, calling basically for Theresa May to


go, that febrile mood has subsided quite a lot, I think. Most Tory MPs


have now looked into the abyss, as it were, looking at Labour on the


up, looking at themselves, wondering how they are going to go on, and the


mood of something immediate has gone.


People putting Labour Party posters on my home, photographing them and


pushing them through my letterbox. Somebody even your naked on my


office door. Hardly a kinder, gentler politics. -- somebody even


if you were naked. -- urinated. It may be putting off people from


serving in this place. My honourable friend is absolutely right to raise


this issue, and she wasn't the only person that experienced this sort of


intimidation during the election campaign. Particularly, I'm sorry to


say, this sort of intimidation was experienced by female candidates


during the election campaign. I believe that this sort of behaviour


has no place in our democracy. And I think she's right. I think it could


put good people off from serving in this house. We want more people to


become engaged, more people to want to stand for election to this house,


and I think particularly as I stand here and I see the plaque that has


been dedicated to the late Jo Cox that we should all remember what Jo


said, we are far more united and have far more in common with each


other then the things which divide us. Mr Speaker, I welcome the


announcement by the Crown Prosecution Service this morning


that they are going to prosecute six people in relation to Hillsborough.


This prosecution, the enquiry and this development only happened


because of the incredible work done by the Hillsborough justice


campaign, Andy Burnham, Steve Rotherham and other colleagues about


this house, and I think we should pay tribute to all of those that


spend a great deal of time trying to ensure there was justice for those


that died at Hillsborough. Mr Speaker, 79 people died in Grenfell


Tower. Our thoughts are with the families and friends of those that


have died. Those still unaccounted for and those who are going to live


with the trauma of this hoary thick -- horrendous and avoidable tragedy.


Last Thursday, the Prime Minister said she expected to appoint a judge


to chair the enquiry in the next few days. We haven't heard any more. Can


she update the house when an appointment will be made and what


will be the timetable for the enquiry. May I first of all I -- say


that I think we are all welcoming but after so many years of waiting,


the Hillsborough families and those different groups within


Hillsborough, not just the Justice campaign, the family that came


together and the work done by Margaret Aspinall and others, has


been absolutely exemplary. And I'm sure obviously today will be a day


of mixed emotions for them, that I welcome the fact that charging


decisions have been taken. I think that is an important step forward.


The right Honourable gentleman asked me to update him in regards Grenfell


Tower. I would like to update the house on a number of aspects. We all


know what an unimaginable tragedy this was and our thoughts will be


with those who have been affected by it. As of this morning, the cladding


in 30 areas has been tested and it has failed the combustibility test.


Given the 100% failure rate, we are clear that they should not wait for


test results but get on with the job of fire safety checks. You should


take any action necessary and the government will support them in


doing that. The community secretary has set up an independent advisory


panel to advise on the measures that need to be taken, which is meeting


this week. On the housing offer, 282 good-quality temporary properties


have been identified. 132 families have had their needs assessed, and


65 offers of temporary accommodation have already been made to families.


The payment from the funds, those payments continue. As of this


morning, nearly one point -- one 25p has been paid. We are giving an


extra ?2 million to the local consortium of charities that has


been doing so much important work. On the issue of the public enquiry,


I expect to be able to name a judge soon. The process is that the Lord


Chief Justice recommends the name of a judge. What we want to do is make


sure as the process is going forward, the families, the


survivors, have involvement. I thank the Prime Minister for that answer


but I hope she is able to stick to her promise of everyone being


rehoused within three weeks because at the moment it does not look


anything like that target will be achieved. She, I hope, understand


the fear that so many people have living in power blocs all around the


country. In 2017, the all-party fire safety group said, today's buildings


have a much higher content of readily available combustible


material. There have been contradictory messages from the


government. Can the Prime Minister give a clear answer, is cladding


with a combustible core illegal and was the cladding of Grenfell Tower


legal? The situation is, in relation to the cladding, the building


regulations identify the cladding which is compatible and that which


is noncompliant. My understanding is this particular cladding was not


complying with the building regulations. This raises wider


issues and it is important that we are careful in how we talk about


this. There is a criminal investigation taking place and it is


important that we allow the police to do that and take the decision


that they need to take. But there is a much wider issue here. As we have


seen from the number of buildings where the cladding has failed the


combustibility test, from those samples sent in from local


authorities already, this is a much wider issue, it is an issue that has


been continuing for many years, for decades, in terms of cladding being


put up in buildings. There are real questions as to how this has


happened, why this has happened, and how we can ensure that it does not


happen in the future. That's why I'm clear that in addition to the


enquiry that needs to identify the specific issues for Grenfell Tower,


what happened in relation to Grenfell Tower and who was


responsible, we will also need to look much more widely at why it is


that over decades, under different governments, under different


councils, material has been put up on these power blocs that is


noncompliant with building regulations. There is a very wide


issue here. -- tower blocks. Last birthday the Prime Minister told the


member for Leeds Central that she would make the results of the


Grenfell Tower cladding testing public within 48 hours. I'm not sure


if she has actually done that with her statement today. As of


yesterday, and the Prime Minister has confirmed this, 120 high-rise


blocks have had fire safety tests and feel Ben. -- failed them. What


timetable has the Prime Minister set for such tests to be completed


including schools and hospitals, and what plans does she have to compel


the testing of high risers such as office blocks and hotels which may


also have combustible cladding on them? If I can just say, my


understanding was the police are going to make a statement and I


think the police made a statement about the possession. In relation to


the test, my message is a very simple one. As I said in my answer


to his first question, what we are seeing two people is this is not a


question of waiting for the tests. Don't wait until you've got a sample


in. So far, 100% of the samples have proved to be combustible sole work


on the assumption that you should be doing the test now. That's what we


are telling people to do. Parts of the private sector are also doing


their work but my response to all those who have buildings covered by


this is do the fire safety checks with the Fire Service. Take any


measures that are necessary and the government will support you in doing


that. Since 2010 only a third of new schools have had sprinkler systems


installed soap parents are quite rightly unsure about the safety of


their children. A letter formally recommended that the government


inform suppliers to consider retrofitting sprinklers. It was


reported that 1% of council tower blocks had sprinklers fitted. Can


the Prime Minister let us know what the government actually did to


encourage retrofitting during the last four years? The government did


ensure that local authorities were aware of the recommendations. They


did act on that recommendation. But I say to the Right Honourable


gentleman if we look at what has happened, and the identification of


the issues in a number of tower blocks so far, their -- there are


various issues that lead to concerns about fire safety. If we look at


Camden, one of the five blocks was considered to be habitable but four


were not. That was not just because of the cladding, it was because of


other issues in relation for example to the gas rise. These issues raised


wider questions about the inspections that have taken place,


about residents complaints, voices not being heard. That is an issue


that has been raised at Grenfell Tower. It is also in Camden. This is


a much wider question. A terrible tragedy took place. People lost


their lives who should never have lost their lives. We need to look at


what has happened over decades in this country. Building regulations


have not been overhauled, local authorities, whilst asked to act


upon them, have had their budgets cut by 40%. Under her predecessor,


fire safety audits and inspections work at by a quarter. Fire authority


budgets were cut by a quarter. Can the Prime Minister give an assurance


to the house that the further 20% cut to the Fire Service planned by


2020 will be halted? I say to the right honourable gentleman that, in


his reference to the building regulations, I think he has missed


part of the point, which is that it is not just a question of what laws


you have, it's how those are being applied, and that is the issue. We


have the building regulations about compliant materials. The question


is, why is it that, despite that, we have seen in local authority area


after local authority area materials being put up that appear not to


comply with those building regulations. And he talks about...


That is what we need to get the bottom of, why is that fire


inspections, that local authority inspections seem to have missed this


essential issue. I think I can help the Prime Minister with this issue.


When you cut local authority expenditure by 40%, you end up with


fewer building control inspectors... SHOUTING.


Order! It's pretty bad when people shout. For somebody to be sitting


right by the Speaker's chair and shouting displays, let's say, a lack


of wisdom which should not be repeated. Order. Every member in


this chamber must and will be heard, however long the session has to run.


Jeremy Corbyn. I was simply making the point, which seems to have upset


a lot of members opposite, that when you cut local authority budgets by


40% we all pay a price in public safety. Fewer inspectors, fewer


building control inspectors, planning inspectors. We pay a price.


And, Mr Speaker, those cuts to the Fire Service have meant there are


11,000 fewer firefighters. The public sector pay cap is hitting


recruitment and retention right across the public sector. What the


tragedy of Grenfell Tower is exposed is a disastrous effects of




Mr Speaker. This disregard for working-class communities, the


terrible consequences of deregulation and cutting corners. I


urge the Prime Minister to come up with the resources needed to test


and remove planning, retrofit sprinklers, properly fund the Fire


Service and the police so that all our communities can truly feel safe


in their own homes. Mr Speaker, this disaster must be a wake-up call.




The cladding of tower blocks didn't start under this government. It


didn't start under the previous coalition government. The cladding


of tower block began under the Blair government. The right honourable


gentleman talks about local authority resources, and he talks


about changes to the regulation. In 2005, it was a Labour government


that introduced the regulatory reform fire safety order, which


changed the requirement to inspect a building on fire safety from the


local fire authority, which was usually the Fire Brigade, to a


responsible person. The legislation governing fire safety in tower


blocks, and this was commented on by the lack in all house report into


that fire, it criticised that 2005 order which had been put in place by


the Labour government. Order. The Prime Minister's answer must be


heard. What approach and laws which took effect in 2006 ended the


practice of routine fire inspections, passing the


responsibility to councils. That is why I say to the right honourable


gentleman, this should be an issue that across this house we recognise


is a matter that has been developing over decades, is a matter that has


occurred under governments of both colours, councils of all political


persuasions, and is something which I would hope we would say we should


come together and ensure that we... NOISE IN THE HOUSE.


We get to the answers of why this has happened over the years, what


has gone wrong and how we stop it from happening in the future. Order.


Understandably, on this most solemn and sensitive matters, the front


bench exchanges have been, perhaps inevitably and rightly, very


pensive. I am now keen that all backbenchers scheduled to take part


should have the opportunity. -- very comprehensive. Businesses in my


constituency share the Prime Minister's desire to provide


certainty for trade arrangements in the years immediately following our


exit from the EU. In my right honourable friend confirm that any


transitional arrangements will be for a strictly time-limited period


and that any suggestion of ever retweeting deadlines or perpetual


status quo would fall short of honouring the decision made by the


people of this country to leave the EU? My honourable friend is


absolutely right. For very practical reasons, when we know what the


future relationship with the EU will be, we may need implementation


periods. That will be to ensure that the practical arrangements can be


put in place for that new relationship. But I am very clear


that this doesn't mean unlimited transitional phase. We are going to


leave the EU, that's what people wanted and that's what we will


deliver. Can I welcome the announcement of the prosecutions on


Hillsborough, and congratulate the families and all those involved in


the many years of campaigning. Mr Speaker, the Scottish Secretary


insisted that Scotland would see increased funding if the DUP secured


money for Northern Ireland as part of a confidence and supply deal,


insisting, quote, I'm not going to agree to anything that could be


constructed as back door funding to Northern Ireland. Did the Prime


Minister received any representations from the Scottish


Secretary about the DUP deal, either before or after it was signed? I say


to the honourable gentleman that, of course, when we look at what has


happened in terms of funding for the rest of the UK, in the Autumn


Statement last year, my right honourable friend, the Chancellor,


set aside an infrastructure fund of ?23 billion. We are putting more


money into our NHS, more money into our schools, and of course there is


an impact on Scotland as a result of that Autumn Statement. ?800 million


extra spending is going to Scotland. As a result of the budget, ?350


million extra is going to Scotland. I don't remember when that money was


announced the honourable gentleman complaining about more money should


be going to Northern Ireland. But then, of course, he is a nationalist


and not a unionist. Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister's failure to give a


straight answer to that question speaks volumes.


NOISE IN THE HOUSE. Order. Let's hear the fellow. Mr Ian


Blackford. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Prime Minister's failure to give


a straight answer to that question speaks volumes and has only


succeeded in piling more pressure on the Scottish Secretary, whose


position looks less secure with every day that passes. The


honourable gentleman's question, and I think he is reaching it, must be


heard. I will give the Prime Minister one more opportunity. Did


she receive any representations about the DUP deal from the


Secretary of State for Scotland, yes or no? I can assure the honourable


gentleman that I regularly receive representations from the Secretary


of State for Scotland about matters relating to Scotland, including


regular representations which point out that, if the Scottish


Nationalists actually had the interests of Scotland at heart, they


would want to remain part of the UK. Given that rail passengers in my


constituency of Lewis are once again facing rail misery with an overtime


ban and strike action looming, does the Prime Minister not agree with me


that the only way to end the 18 months rail misery for my


constituents and all passengers on Southern Rail is for the unions to


stop their strike and get back round the table? My honourable friend is


absolutely right. Southern Rail passengers have experienced


absolutely unacceptable delays and disruption to their service, and an


expert report has found that the main cause of widespread disruption


was union action. So, for the sake of the passengers, get round the


table and solve this dispute. Can I thank the Prime Minister for coming


to my constituency of Wrexham during the general election campaign? And


for making a widely welcomed U-turn on the dementia tax. Can I invite


the Prime Minister backs of Wrexham to make another announcement


reversing her appalling cuts to police budgets, which my


constituents want to see the back of? We are protecting police


budgets, yes... NOISE IN THE HOUSE.


We are protecting the least budgets. But we are, of course, making


reforms to policing. That's why I introduced National Crime Agency, to


deal with serious and organised crime that relates to crime on the


streets. That is why we have put money into a new national cyber


crime unit to ensure police can deal with the new sorts of crimes there


are that they have to deal with. We are reforming policing, but the key


to this is not that the number of police on the streets, but about


what happens to crime, and crime has fallen to a record low. Mr Speaker,


the Grenfell Tower tragedy shot and so many of us, because we all


believe there is much that should never have happened, but to claim,


the opposition front bench did, ahead of any enquiry, that, quote,


residents were murdered by politicians, unquote, is grotesquely


inappropriate. Would my honourable friend confirm that our government


will get on with rebuilding lives and homes and progressing enquiries


with urgency and nonpartisan calm? I think my honourable friend raises a


very important point. What all of those affected by Grenfell Tower


deserve is an enquiry that gets to the truth and provides them with the


truth and with knowing who was responsible. We need to do that in a


careful, calm and determined way and we need to use that same calm


determination to make sure we get to the bottom of the wider issue of why


it is that materials have been used in tower blocks around the country


which appear to have been noncompliant with building


regulations. There are real issues here and we are not going to get to


the truth by pointing fingers. We will buy calm determination.


Regarding the deal she has done with the DUP, is it true that on the one


hand she is shelling out all of this extra money to secure their support


while, on the other hand, she is still giving them tax payers' cash


in the form of short to be in opposition? Is that what we get from


this by Minister, no pay rise for nurses but double bubble for her


friends in the DUP? -- is that what we get from this Prime Minister.


Let's be clear about what the government has done in the agreement


with the Democratic Unionist Party. As a result of the election, no


party has a majority in this house. Yes.


NOISE IN THE HOUSE. The party that had... The party that


had the largest number of seats and the only party that can form an


effective government is the Conservative Party. That's the right


thing to do and that's what we've done. Does the Prime Minister share


my concern that last year 50,000 people were stopped at the controls


at Calais, 150 people every day? Does that underline not only that we


should keep those controls in place but we should consider the case for


investing more in state-of-the-art technology and more border officers


so we can win the war against people traffickers and keep our borders


safe and secure? I say to my honourable friend at our border


force officers do an excellent job at the juxtaposed controls and the


work they do in his constituency. Particularly the work they are doing


to stop illegal immigrants and the human traffickers. They have indeed,


we have been investing in the system capabilities. 108 million has been


invested in the last two years in new technology, and a further 71


million is earmarked for that in the current financial year. Of course,


there are particular pressures on Dover. That's why we've invested


more money to maintain security there, and to ensure the Calais camp


remains closed, and we are meeting efforts upstream as well to ensure


that we reduce the number of people trying to get to the UK illegally.


The Foreign Office are putting extra money into the central Mediterranean


route, for extra humanitarian support. I know the Prime Minister


is well aware of the misery and suffering caused by reckless


gambling. Following her recent own experience and the turmoil it has


caused to her friends and colleagues, will she now commit to


legislating against fixed odds betting terminals, because of so


much hardship across our communities? As the honourable lady


knows, a consultation was undertaken in relation to that particular


issue, which the department for culture, media and sport are


considering and we will announce a response in due course. In Fareham,


63% of voters chose the Conservatives, giving us a record


share of the vote not seen since 1935. Will my right honourable


friend join me in reminding the chamber that this side won the


election? Will she join me in thanking... Join me in thanking the


good people of Fareham for placing their trust in the Conservatives,


and in reassuring them that she is the best person to deliver a


prosperity lead and successful Brexit? I am very happy to join her


in thanking the good people of Fareham for re-electing a


first-class Member of Parliament to represent them. She is absolutely


right, of course. It was the Conservative Party that got the


highest percentage share of votes in the election, the Conservative Party


that got the most seats, 56 more than the Labour Party, and the


Conservative Party that got more votes, and that's why we are an


effective government. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Will the Prime Minister


confirm that, last week, Britain's for most senior police officers, the


commission of the Matt, the head of counterterrorism, the National Crime


Agency and the police chiefs cancel all wrote to the government saying


that counterterrorism, policing and protective security grant is being


cut by 7.2 billion -- 7.2%? Doesn't that show contrary to what she just


told the member for Wrexham, that her to protect police budgets is not


being kept? -- that her promise to protect police budgets. We have


protected counterterrorism policing. We have put money in. We have also


put money in to an uplift, for an uplift in armed policing, and the


commission of the Metropolitan Police has made the point that the


Metropolitan Police are well resourced and have a wide diversity


of tools that they can encounter in terrorism. That's the point, it's


not just about the funding but ensuring they have the powers they


need to deal with the terrorists. That's what we are determined to


ensure. I was deeply alarmed to hear the


announcement made from the Leader of the Opposition at the Glastonbury


festival that he would abandon Trident. Would pro-government that


provides -- would the payment to agree that it is only our party that


can provide the safety the country needs? Can I welcome my honourable


friend to this house. I'm sure he will be a fine representative of the


constituency. And I join with him in seeing that in public Leader of the


Opposition wanted to appear to support Trident but in private


wanted to scrap it. It is only the Conservative Party that is clear


about maintaining the deterrent. After being defeated by my


honourable friend in Perth, this government has honoured the defeated


candidate, Ian Duncan, with a job in the Scotland Office. Instead of this


affront to democracy does she think she should stop treating the


Scottish people with contempt and give the Scottish Government a seat


at the Brexit negotiations table? We have, throughout the time, been


working with and talking with the Scottish Government and other


devolved administrations and we will continue to do that. I hope and


trust that this means the Scottish Nationalists will be focused on


issues that matter to Scotland rather than independence. If the


Prime Minister aware of the current crisis in Venezuela and is this an


example of how an experiment in socialist revolution can go horribly


wrong? I have to say that I think he's made an extremely important


point. When we are talking about trade deals in the future, the


Leader of the Opposition and the Shadow Chancellor think the only


good trade deals are with Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea. The brave men


and women in our emergency services have consistently put the safety of


others first. Especially in response to the terrible events we've seen in


recent months. We pay tribute to the professionalism. That's why I


believe it's important that we give them the resources they need to do


their vital job. In Scotland it is outrageous that police and Fire


Services are required to pay VAT, front line services paying ?35


million. Order, Mr cleverly. You are usually the embodiment of calm,


repose and statesmanship. Take some sort of tablet, man. Thank you


again, Mr Speaker. I repeat that. It is outrageous that Fire Services and


police services must pay VAT and it cost them ?35 million last year


alone. Now that the Prime Minister has found the magic money tree, will


she... We got the gist of it. The Prime Minister. When the Scottish


Government took the decision to merge police forces into a single


force, they were told that this would lead to VAT being paid by


Police Scotland. They were advised that was the position that they


chose to go ahead with the merger. Thank you very much. Today is the


festival Day of Saint Alden is. What more can be done to protect persons


of faith being persecuted for their faith, particularly students who are


suffering large amounts of anti-Semitism? I am happy to


recognise its. It is important. Sometimes we talk a lot about people


being persecuted for their faith in countries abroad. We need to be very


clear that sadly we do see people suffering attacks. The CST do a lot


of work with students to support and I'm happy for that. We are


supporting Muslim communities suffering from Islamophobic. There


is no place for this in our society. The current Prime Minister recently


visited my constituency. Upon being asked about the precarious situation


facing the District Hospital and the Royal Infirmary she stated that


people work scaremongering. And she used this opportunity to reassure my


constituents that all services will be retained at both hospitals


including a full accident and emergency provision? The honourable


lady knows, I was asked, and I can confirm that Dewsbury accident and


emergency is not closing. The service will be open 24 hours a day,


seven days a week. A majority of patients will see no change. Thank


you, Mr Speaker. The repeated claim that spending ever increased amounts


of money on foreign aid keeps this country safe has been shown by


recent events to be utter nonsense. Can I tell the Prime Minister that


spending more money on overseas aid does not make of the compassionate,


it makes us look idiotic, when that money is much needed in the United


Kingdom. Can she promised to slash the overseas aid budget, spend it on


priorities in the UK? I hope she does not have a strange political


aversion to pursuing policies that might be popular with the public. I


can assure my honourable friend that I don't have that aversion but on


this issue I do take a different view. I think it is important that


given the position we hold, the state of our economy, one of the


largest economies in the world, we recognise that we can help those


around the world. We are seeing millions of people, particularly


girls, being educated. I think that's important. I recognise what


my honourable friend has said, that we have suffered from terrible


terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom, are services have also


foiled a number. Going back over recent years as well. I think it's


important that we are able to use the money to ensure good governance


in countries saw that we don't see the creation of spaces where


terrorists are able to train. I must thank the Prime Minister and most of


the Cabinet for visiting healing because my majority went up 50


times. 53,000 EU nationals reside in the London Borough of Ealing and


they would like some clarity on this fair and generous offer of how much


extra the applications are going to cost them and why it is that they


are not going to be able to vote in local elections as they are now? I


would say, I'm grateful she described it as a fear and generous


offer. I think it is fair and generous for people to ensure that


they are able to stay and they will have rights.


A significant number of charities, including those having to look after


the most vulnerable in our society, our under closure because of the


National living wage and HMRC's insistent that there is six years


back page despite the advice only changing last year. With the Prime


Minister asked HMRC to suspend any actions until we find a workable


solution. My honourable friend has raised a very important issue and it


is one that he cares about particularly. It is through the


National living wage that we are making sure that PSP. That pay is


fair. But on this point, the Department of Health and the


relevant department are looking at this carefully because they want to


ensure that enforcement protects low paid workers in a proportionate


manner. We've invested more money in social care. We need to look at this


issue on a longer-term basis. I can assure him are looking at the


specific issues. Does the Prime Minister think, like her Brexit


secretary, it will be simple to deliver the free trade deal with the


European Union. The Brexit secretary and I have said we think a


comprehensive trade agreement is not just possible but will be easy over


other third-party countries because we are operating on the same basis


at the moment. Therefore, we are not negotiating in the same position as


say, Canada or other countries. I think we can achieve that and it


will be good for the UK and good for the EU. With the Prime Minister


agree that an opposition leader who claims to be all things to all men


saying one thing to remain voters in London and quite another in leave


voters constituencies is no kind of leader at all and maybe that is why


he was rejected in the recent elections? I would like to welcome


my honourable friend. I was very pleased to visit his constituency.


Absolutely right. People want to know the position of the parties on


this question. We are very clear that we want to see the country


coming together and we want to deliver. It is what the government


will do. Can I beg the Prime Minister at this crucial time to


listen to the many friends we have in Europe and the world who fear


that we are sleepwalking into a disastrous deal with Europe. They've


no confidence in the three ministers in charge of the deal and believe


our country is going to be deeply damaged, in terms of our economy and


our fall in the world, if we don't get our act together. I have to say


that the Brexit negotiations have started formally. There was a


constructive and positive start with my right honourable friend, the


Secretary of State for exiting the EU, and the commission's appointed


negotiator. We've set up three working groups dealing with citizens


rights, and a dialogue on the issue of the border between Northern


Ireland and Ireland. That is important. We've set out our


objectives, published our objectives, we know the plan. The


party that does not know the plan is his party. The Prime Minister was


crystal clear on Monday that the reciprocal agreements should include


the people of Gibraltar. On Tuesday the Spanish Foreign Minister sought


yet again to suggest Spain should have unilateral veto. Will make it


clear that this is pointless and counter-productive and our


commitment is absolute. I thank my honourable friend for raising that


issue. This government's commitment to Gibraltar has not changed and it


will remain. Suicide rates in Northern Ireland, in my


constituency, are some of the worst in Europe and the developed world.


Clinicians have pointed to the legacy of 30 years of terrorism and


violence and the awful legacy. Part of the money we are investing goes


to health care. Isn't it time people recognised this is delivery for all


of the people of Northern Ireland and is going to help some of the


most vulnerable and disadvantaged people in Northern Ireland? People


should get behind it and welcome it. My right honourable friend makes a


very important point on this. It is the case, as we said in the


agreement, that we recognise the particular circumstances of Northern


Ireland that have arisen as a result of its history. There will be mental


health issues that arise as a part of that. It is important we put more


into mental health across the UK. I visited a school in Bristol. As he


says, the money is for the good of all people across Northern Ireland.


I wonder if the Prime Minister has an opportunity to see the British


attitudes survey which stated 75% of British people wanted to leave the


EU. She will now that more than 80% of the British electorate voted for


parties that want to leave the EU. She will know from her extensive


canvassing that thousands of people tell me the referendum to say that


the issue, just get on and leave the EU. Would she assure the house that


she will make it her priority? What I've seen across the country is eyed


unity of purpose for people. Regardless of how they voted in the


referendum, their view is the decision has been taken, just


deliver it. Thank you very much. With 9 million people in our country


lonely all or most of the time, and loneliness as bad for your health as


smoking 15 cigarettes a day, will the Prime Minister join with the


honourable member for South Rebel and myself in encouraging members of


the host to attend the Jo Cox loneliness event immediately after


PMQs today to find out what all of us can do to tackle this blight in


our society? The honourable lady has raised an important point and I


would like to say the work you're both doing is excellent, I encourage


members of the house to do what she says. We all recognise the impact


loneliness has on health. We've been able to put some support into the


programme. We are helping the skills of volunteers over 50 in looking at


these issues. It's an important issue and honourable members should


recognise the work. Order. That brings us to the end of the


first Prime Minister's Questions of the new parliament, and it set a


record, over 50 minutes long, probably the longest PMQs on record.


The speaker wants to have an hour-long PMQs, if so, perhaps he


should just have one and tell us and then we could make our plans


accordingly, instead of just making it up as he goes along. Over 50


minutes. The exchanges between the front benches concentrated above all


on Grenfell Tower, as it's the first time we have had PMQs since that


terrible disaster. Mr Corbyn began by asking some detailed questions


about the cladding, about the file revelations and so on, and we got


some answers, or at least some points, but he finished up by


accusing the austerity cuts, claiming that the austerity cuts and


cuts to local government spending were the reason that these sort of


things happened. The really interesting thing that came out was


that 120 blocks are now being investigated, and 120 blocks have


failed the fire test. Every one investigated so far was found to


have cladding that was combustible. On a question from Mr Corbyn, the


Prime Minister seemed to indicate that it was actually illegal to use


this cladding, because it was combustible, and yet it was on 120


blocks and rising, and that would seem to be the big question. How was


it, given that the cure rate -- given the building revelations


seemed to forbid this kind of cladding on high rise, that it was


used almost ubiquitously, everywhere? That's the question that


so far nobody seems to be able to answer. Such a huge question. It's


not clear that people are prepared to wait for a long inquest before


they get to the bottom of it. Finally, the Prime Minister saying


that, given 120, every one so far, you shouldn't wait for tests, that


local authorities should get on and fit new fire and safety checks into


these buildings right away, assuming that actually almost all the blogs


that are going to be tested will pour into the field category. -- all


of the blocks. What did the viewers make of it? Dave said that Jeremy


Corbyn cleverly walked Mrs May down a seemingly neutral path and hit her


with austerity very well. He seems transformed. Has he been replaced


with a competent double? Martin said, it's clear that Labour is


going to be that lingers deficit reduction by linking austerity with


deaths. It is argued that money is the only thing that makes people do


the right thing and is required to keep people safe. In effect, human


beings have responsibility. John says, Mrs May has lost some arrogant


and Jeremy Corbyn has gained confidence, but it is still the


mediocre facing the mediocre. Ken says, difficult decisions, taxing


and a freezing the just about managing isn't difficult. It's now


time for difficult decisions, taxing the wealthy and inflicting seven


years austerity on them, or is that too difficult for the Conservatives?


This is the big mystery, and it's taking Grenfell Tower for us as a


country to realise it, that it looks like it was almost par for the


course that buildings were being clad in combustible material which


would seem to have been banned by the building regulations, and


certainly should have been banned. The Prime Minister said, this


cladding, in the case at Grenfell, wasn't complying. She was unwilling


to go much further is an investigation running. But this is


the question being asked across the political spectrum. There are lots


of theories floating around. One thing that one of our colleagues on


Newsnight, Chris Cook, is on a lot of work on is trying to show how the


changes in regulation lead to a system where they were being


considered more as broad guidelines rather than as specifics. Jeremy


Corbyn was asking some detailed questions about who was responsible


for fire safety checking and so on. They're clearly has, in terms of the


culture of regulation, been quite a big change over the last decade or


so, but what we also saw today, for the first time, was Theresa May very


carefully and definitely trying to push back at some of the accusations


about how austerity was part of what's happened here. We saw a


Conservative MP, Richard Graham, ask her to condemn John McDonnell's


comments, and you were talking about this before, and of course this is a


political situation. Of course it is a political question. But we saw how


Theresa May was trying to tiptoe away, and actually quite directly


say, this started under the Blair government. Cladding these buildings


began a long time ago, and I think most people across politics would


accept this is something that hasn't been taken seriously enough over a


quite a long terrible time. Cladding isn't necessarily bad. It has made a


lot of buildings look more modern, it has helped with insulation. Did


we have any idea that, as we were doing this cladding, that we were


using material that was combustible? That is what the public enquiry will


have to identify. There is also a criminal investigation taking place.


We have to let that happen. It is right and proper that we take urgent


action to remove the fire risk. That is a real and immediate priority.


Understanding what has gone wrong is something we have to do. My regrets


today is distinct Jeremy Corbyn trying to link austerity, as he


phrases it, which from my point of view is dealing with a huge deficit


post 2010, to a national tragedy. We don't yet know the causes and


understand what's gone wrong. We know it goes back many years. We


know it's been a feature in authorities of all political


persuasions. I think it's important that we take a step back. Let's not


as politicians throw mud at each other over this. Let's try and work


out what's gone wrong and make sure it can never happen again and


provide support to authorities to make sure. Whether it started under


the Blair government doesn't seem to me to be relevant. There was a


policy of doing more cladding. What will surprise people, and it's not


linked to austerity, is that you would need a building regulation to


tell you not to put a combustible material on. I think the dog could


have told you that! Yes, and that's the first question that needs to be


answered. Jeremy went to Grenfell and met families and looked them in


the eye and said he would support them, and what politicians always do


when they don't want to confront these very difficult challenges is


say, let's not bring politics into this, but it is political. Decisions


were made not just about cladding but other issues. But long before


austerity. We don't know that. But it goes back to the Blair


government. We don't know how much of this is the cladding, how much of


this is failure to inspect and to do testing. Wood I need to stop you


both. We think of something totally different.


There's just time to put you out of your misery and give


It was the year 2000. Jenny, do you want the press that button? I'd be


delighted. Don't worry, nothing terrible happens. The winner is


David Upton from Ruislip in Middlesex was well done. The year


was 2000. That is near where my mum lives. She'll probably trying to


nick it! The one o'clock news is starting


over on BBC One now. Jo and I will be here at noon


tomorrow with all the big political Brexit means Brexit.


We did it! To pretend that it's going to be


plain sailing is such knuckle-headed lunacy.


Happy days are here.


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