29/06/2017 Daily Politics


29/06/2017

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The Government survives the vote on its Queen's Speech

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over public-sector pay, but life in a hung Parliament

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doesn't look like it'll be easy, and ministers face further big

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Politicians have just hours left to reach an agreement on restoring

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power-sharing in Northern Ireland, or face direct rule

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We'll be joined by the MP who has won the annual ballot to decide

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which backbenchers get to propose new laws.

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And it's reckoned one in three young adults now have a tattoo -

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but how many of them have a tattoo of a well-known political figure?

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And yes, we ask the questions we know you all care about!

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With us for the duration, former Environment Secretary,

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former Northern Ireland Secretary, Owen Paterson.

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I think it's safe to say his main interest in tattoos

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is of the military kind, but he may prove me wrong.

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First today, the Government has confirmed that the retired Court

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of Appeal judge Martin Moore-Bick has been chosen to lead

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the public inquiry into the Grenfell Tower fire.

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He'll take on one of the toughest public inquiries in recent years -

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he's sure to be under huge scrutiny, and that scrutiny has already begun.

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What do you make of this appointment? Of the 70-year-old

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Judge? It's a good thing. The Prime Minister said she would get a public

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inquiry going. He's a senior appeal judge. Was. Well, yes, he is

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retired. Is the choice of the Lord Chief Justice and I think it is

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really good we are getting on with it because this is just so

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horrendous and there are so many questions to be asked. Yet he once

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ruled that a council could rehouse the tenant 50 miles away from their

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original residents. If you were a Grenfell Tower victim you wouldn't

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be inspired by that, would you? Well, there are going to be a lot of

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things about his previous judgments but you want a senior judge with a

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proper track record, respected by the legal profession, who was going

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to stuck in and get started. But he also has to have the confidence of

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those who were the victims of the Grenfell Tower tragedy. I would

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suggest that is more important than anything else. Not that they get to

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choose him - I understand that, it's an independent inquiry. But for the

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paedophile inquiry, the victims there were consulted. They had some

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say, some input. They have not from Grenfell Tower. Yes, but it is not

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just the people who have suffered this terrible tragedy, it is those

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who are currently living in tower blocks either have to be worried.

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But they are the most important. There are a lot of people today

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worried where they are living so they want a proper inquiry that gets

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on and get to the bottom of what happened. You can pick a couple of

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judgments you don't like - you could do that with any judge, someone of

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his lengthy career - but I think to have a senior judge picked by the

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Lord Chief Justice is a good thing and we should get on with it. Those

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who are living in tower blocks are nervous and I understand that but

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this inquiry doesn't help them at all, does it? It is the confidence

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of those who suffered most on that terrible night and I just wonder if

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someone like this... If you think of somebody, typical British legal

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establishment, double-barrelled name, Christchurch Cambridge,

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70-year-old. You just wonder, does he have any empathy and

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understanding of the people in Grenfell Tower? It is impossible not

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to have empathy with the people in Grenfell Tower considering what

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happened. It was beyond terrific. It is almost impossible to imagine what

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happened and also how those affected are still suffering and will be

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affected for the rest of their lives but the Lord Chief Justice has faith

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in this guy. He is a retired judge and I think we need to get moving

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fast because they're all of questions. Chudley time it? You and

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I know years. The paedophile Ingrid has not yet done and interim report

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atop the inquiry into Bloody Sunday took 20 years. There are large sums

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of people in these buildings who must be worried stiff today.

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The question is about one woman in the North East who has

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shown her admiration for a well-known politician by

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C, Justin Trudeau, the Canadian Prime Minister?

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At the end of the show, we will find out.

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Later today, MPs have a final vote on the Queen's Speech -

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that's the Government's legislative agenda for the coming two years.

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It is normally one, this one is for two.

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It's an important milestone for the Prime Minister,

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because if she can't secure enough votes in the House of Commons

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to back her programme, then the government would

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So how is Theresa May going to navigate this tightrope?

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Mrs May fell eight seats short of an absolute majority

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at the general election, meaning she is reliant

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on the support of others to govern and get legislation

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The Conservatives, along with the DUP -

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who have agreed to support the government on certain key bills

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Labour, combined with other parties, make up 315 votes.

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If you remove the Speaker and Sinn Fein - who do not take

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up their seats - then the government, with the DUP, has

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Last night in the Commons, Labour's first attempt to knock

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They'd tabled an amendment calling for an end to the public-sector pay

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cap and more money for the police and fire services in

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Tonight, there will be up to three votes on the Queen's Speech.

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Labour has tabled another amendment, which includes the introduction

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of an energy price cap, and calls for a Brexit deal that

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gives the UK the "exact same benefits" it has as a member

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of the single market and customs union.

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But the Government is expected to see off that challenge

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and win the final vote on its Queen's Speech,

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meaning it will have survived the first week in this

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As we said, yesterday's debate was focused on Labour's call

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for an end to the 1% cap on pay rises for public-sector workers.

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How long are they going to continue to peddle hard-line austerity

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when their own targets for closing the deficit

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recede ever further away, raising the question

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counter-productive in terms of encouraging growth?

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I would say to the right honourable lady, nobody

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We want to engage with you and debate with you because there

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are important subjects to be discussed but we are all serious

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about what has happened and what could happen in the future

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My right honourable friend is presumably not wholly taken

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in by the Shadow Home Secretary posturing as a defender of people's

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safety when in 1989 she now famously signed an early day motion calling

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for the scrapping of MI5 and the Metropolitan

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The real issue the Government should be looking at is whether the police

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and security services have sufficient resources

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That somehow the Government can find ?1 billion to support

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Northern Ireland and to support the Government keeping its own jobs

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but cannot support the additional resources the police

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and the emergency services need to support their jobs at this

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And that's why I think the Government has to rethink.

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I do declare an interest, Mr Deputy Speaker.

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I was a nurse who worked from 2010 to 2015 under the pay cap.

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I know exactly how difficult it is and how challenging those

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finances are and most nurses I know work on their hospital bank

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We will not make our decision on public sector pay until the pay

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review body has reported and we will listen to what they say

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and we will listen to what people in this House have said before

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We're joined by the Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury,

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Peter Dowd, who's in the Central Lobby of

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And Owen Paterson is with this in the studio. Peter Dowd, what sort of

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pay rises do you have in mind now for public sector workers? Well,

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what Labour in its Funding Britain's Future document, which accompanied

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our manifesto, we set aside ?4 billion per year over the parliament

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to help with the cap on pay in the public sector. So what kind of pay

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rise with that result in? That would be on figures, it is about to

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present if it all went on an equal basis. Is that to present on top of

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the 1% at the moment or is it three present? This is additional. The

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bottom line is, what we try to do is say, there are these bodies and we

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want to move into a collective-bargaining situation so

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there are these pay review bodies be to give evidence to but what we've

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had so far in a sense is the Government having the pay review

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bodies but for all intents and purposes ignoring everything they

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say. We're not into the business about micromanaging it. There are

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three sets of public sector employees - NHS, local government

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and public servants of the civil service so we've got to give some

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flexibility there. I understand that on the overall sum you think should

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be about 4 billion a year. On average, that is another to present

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a very body was to get the same but of course that probably wouldn't

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happen. -- another two decent. How would you finance this? We have set

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aside in that same document, ?48.6 billion spending and we match that

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with tax-raising measures which went from corporation tax at ?19 billion,

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tax evasion around ?6 billion, excessive pay levies. There is a

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whole range of that document, totalling 48.6. In fact, it totalled

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?53.5 billion to cover our commitment. So, in your view, the

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extra 4 billion a year that you would be proposing for public sector

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pay rises, that would be financed out of different forms of extra

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taxation? It wouldn't add to the devil as it? No, it doesn't because

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what we've got is that figure of 48.6 billion spending commitments,

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?48.6 billion of tax-raising which is there for people to see and pour

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over. Thanks for that. Stick with us. Owen Paterson, what is wrong

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with this public sector pay freeze, which has gone on for a long time

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now, and is projected to go on under the government... What is wrong with

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a modest rise now? Advocate sensible to wait for the pay review to go

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with their proposal but with the greatest respect to Peter, when we

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came in 2010 we will left a letter by one of his predecessors saying,

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"We have no money left," and we were borrowing ?300,000 per minute and we

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are still not out of the woods, we're borrowing ?100,000 a minute so

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it is tough. One that would be a case for saying they shouldn't get

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more than the pay gap. Let's see what the pay review body says. They

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kept talking about the lesson of corporation tax. We reduced

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corporation tax from 28% to 20% and increased the amount of tax money

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that came in from 44 billion to 56 billion. You say wait on the pay

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review bodies but the pay review bodies are given arena by the

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Treasury and arena by the Treasury follows the cap on public sector

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pay. You are asking people to continue effectively to have their

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pay rise by no more than 1% across-the-board at a time when

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inflation is almost 3%. So you are saying to the nurses and fire

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workers and public sector workers and carers up and down the land, you

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are going to have another real cut in your pay. That's what it means.

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And for all those in the private sector who also under pressure.

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Everyone appreciates these people do incredibly important jobs - nurses,

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Fireman policeman, etc. Public sector pay -- private sector pay is

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rising. We are still borrowing ?100,000 a minute and we can't get

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away from that. Off we go on spending money we dumped this debt

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on our children and grandchildren. Average earnings are rising by just

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over 2%. But it public sector pay is frozen at 1%, it means that the

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private sector may still be suffering a bit of a cut but they

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are not suffering as much as the public sector workers so is your

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message to public sector workers today but actually, our public

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finances are still in such a bad shape that you can still have no

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more than the 1% cup? That's your message, isn't it? My messages wait

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for the review body. I've given you the answer. We are still borrowing

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?100,000 a minute and if we are going to pay more for whatever this

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is it has to be borrowed or taken from tax. What does Philip Hammond

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say when asked about these issues - we are not deaf. It sounds like you

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have got a two year. I am waiting for the review body. What does that

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mean? These are important jobs and there is a certain point where you

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turn off completely and that has to be recognised and will be recognised

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by the review body but you have to look at this against the background

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of public finances were we still not out of the woods of the mess we were

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left by Labour in 2010. Peter Dowd, let me come back to you. What would

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happen if Owen Paterson was right and some of the tax rises you are

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proposing, which are largely fallen corporation tax and companies which

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are quite mobile, and on the top 5% of incomes, professional, well-paid

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people who are pretty mobile... What would happen if you didn't raise

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this extra money, that it didn't result in the funds that you thought

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it would get? What would you do then?

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I do not accept the premise we will not be able to raise the money. We

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have done an assessment and had it independently checked and I believe

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we will raise it. Owen Paterson, his words about the 6 million workers,

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the government proposes over the next five years ?70 billion of tax

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cuts, corporation tax, and it is about time the government got the

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priority right and fund some of these public sector pay rises,

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especially in the light of what they have had to do. The government

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should reorganise its priorities. We reduced corporation tax from 28% and

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we increase the amount of money coming in from 44 billion to 56

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billion. They've never get this. They said when income tax was

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reduced it cost 3 billion, actually 8 billion more came in. If you

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reduce taxes you increase the cake and have more money available for

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public services and it is bad when you have the hard left Labour Party

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that thinks it can pay for everything by penalising the most

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productive part of the economy and that hurts those public services

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that need tax revenue, and you increase tax revenue by growing the

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economy and reducing taxes. If public finances are so bad we cannot

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get rid of the public sector pay cap, where did you find the extra 1

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billion for the DUP. 102, which is a good investment in a secure economy

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and sound finances, as opposed to letting Labour in which will lead to

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chaos, flights to the airports, capital disappearing and diving

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prospects. If you can find 1 billion for Northern Ireland with a

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population less than 2 million, could you not find 4 billion for

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England public sector workers, which is what it largely refers to, but

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the population of over 55 million. The city deals with Scotland and

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Wales and... If you can find 1 billion, White can you not find 4

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billion. 1 billion for a small part of the UK, why not 4 billion for the

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biggest part? We are waiting for the pay review body and the 1 billion

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for the DUP who is set against the 802 spending which is a modest fee

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for a sound policy, rather than Labour extracting huge amounts of

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money from a small number of people, who would disappear and leave the

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country. Thank you. Before we move from, the Speaker has called Labour

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MP Stella Creasey's amendment on demands for women in Northern

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Ireland to be given free access to abortion services in England. At the

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moment they can come to England or other parts of the UK, but services

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are not free and this amendment would make it free. How would you

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vote on that? This is a devolved issue. These personal, moral issues

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are almost all devolved. This is about women who want an abortion

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coming to England and getting the service free on the same basis as

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English women would get it. How would you vote on that? It is a

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devolved issue. It cannot be devolved. If a parliament cannot

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stop women from Northern Ireland travelling to England for an

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abortion. I would have to see the amendment. These moral issues, which

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the DUP come in for some flak on, they are devolved.

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The Culture Secretary said she is minded to refer the proposed

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takeover by 21st Century Fox, Rupert Murdoch's massive media company

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based in New York, she said she is minded to refer the takeover. Fox

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owns 30 odd per cent of it and wants to buy the rest of Sky it does not

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own and she wants to move it to a second phase of the investigation

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with the authority on the grounds of plurality. Not on advertising

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standards, what is known as the fit and proper test. A delay at the very

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least to Rupert Murdoch's aspirations to own all of Sky and

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not just roughly a third. Back to the Queen's Speech.

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There have been various other attempts to amend

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the Queen's Speech in Parliament, including some on the

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The Labour peer and Remain supporter Andrew Adonis tried to amend it

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by regretting the decision not to negotiate continued membership

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of the single market and customs union.

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The reason, my lords, that Brexit is so difficult

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is that the policy of withdrawal from the central economic

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institutions of the European Union is so unviable, it will cause deep

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and lasting damage to the UK's trade, investment

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It is a hard right nationalist policy and it is no more viable

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as a governing idea than the hard left socialism of Tony Benn

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and Arthur Scargill in the 1970s and 1980s.

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Andrew Adonis lost his vote, although it did have the support

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There's also a similar amendment being put down by Labour

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and Liberal Democrat MPs in the Commons today.

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I'm joined now by the Labour peer Peter Hain, who believes his party

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should be pushing for the UK to remain a member

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I stress the word member, access is a different matter.

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But first let's talk to the Labour MP Caroline Flint,

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who said this week that doing so would mean staying

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Caroline Flint, would you say -- what do you said to be Parliamentary

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colleagues who are fighting to remain members of the single market?

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We went into the election very clear leaving the EU was a settled matter

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for labour and I have always believed and said it as a Remain

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campaigner, if the decision was to leave, we could not remain as

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members of the single market, because to do so we would have to

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accept controls of freedom of movement and for those reasons I

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believe as much access as possible is something we should strive for

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but I do not believe you can combine being a member of the single market

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and meet the wishes who voted to leave the EU in the referendum and

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many Remain voters who want to change freedom of movement. I agree

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we want changes to freedom of movement. Belgium poses tougher

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controls on freedom of movement. You have to have a job and if you lose

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it, you are given a short time before you leave Belgium to go back

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to your country of origin. My main concern, this is the biggest and

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richest single market in the world. If we were simply to press for

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access having left it, we would have to get the agreement of 27 countries

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and only one could veto and as we saw with the Canadian trade deal, a

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regional parliament in Belgium tried to stop it, so that could be

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difficult. I think we should negotiate exit that stays in the

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single market and Customs union, which is important also for Northern

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Ireland, by the way, that there are no barriers an bureaucracy and

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tariffs that departing the single market would leave... Almost half

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our trade is with the single market. Caroline Flint? It is interesting

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hearing about the Belgian example. As I recall the same applies to

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present arrangements and we should enforce as part of the arrangements

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now that people come for a job but often we fail to do that and fail to

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follow up when they lose work here. The British people wanted more

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control over immigration which means not necessarily closing the door but

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opening when we need workers and importantly training more of our

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own. My worry in the language of this about the single market and

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Customs union, there are people, I do not know if Peter is one, who

:24:20.:24:24.

would like an opportunity to maybe change the result of what happened a

:24:25.:24:29.

year ago, and discussions around the Customs union, which is about how we

:24:30.:24:34.

trade externally and the single market are pivotal to this and I

:24:35.:24:38.

don't believe we will have the same arrangements. It does not mean we

:24:39.:24:42.

cannot get a deal that supports trading ambitions in the EU and

:24:43.:24:47.

beyond, but we have to look at this as something that is a settled

:24:48.:24:54.

matter and not be cheeky with the language used, which may be a code

:24:55.:25:00.

for trying to stay in the European Union, that is not going to happen.

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We should be clear, which is where we have to press the government, not

:25:05.:25:08.

everything will be decided in the next two years by any stretch. We

:25:09.:25:14.

will get the headlines but we need transition plans to provide

:25:15.:25:18.

certainty and stability and confidence that we will not fall off

:25:19.:25:23.

a cliff edge Mac could take ten years, people are talking about, in

:25:24.:25:29.

which we could sort out the detail. Peter Hain, if we stay in the

:25:30.:25:34.

customs union, we cannot do our own free-trade deals. If we stay in the

:25:35.:25:39.

single market we are subject to the jurisdiction of the European Court

:25:40.:25:47.

of Justice and free movement rules. Also subject to the rules and

:25:48.:25:52.

regulations of Brussels. In what way will we have left the EU? We will

:25:53.:25:56.

have left because it was the decision of the people. In practice

:25:57.:26:02.

we would still be subject to everything we are subject to, the

:26:03.:26:08.

freedoms, European Court of Justice, unable to strike free-trade deals on

:26:09.:26:12.

our own. Imagine as Brexiteer said, they wanted to maintain trade and

:26:13.:26:19.

they would be mad not to within the European Union, would have to

:26:20.:26:24.

conform to the standards, the cars we export into the EU single market

:26:25.:26:29.

have thousands of pages of standards that have to be complied with,

:26:30.:26:33.

otherwise you have to go through the customs union bureaucracy and delays

:26:34.:26:37.

and tariffs apply. My objective is to protect jobs and prosperity. Is

:26:38.:26:45.

it not to get us actually to stay inside the EU, in fact? I do not

:26:46.:26:53.

agree... That is a different matter. Not agreeing and supporting it is a

:26:54.:26:58.

different matter. I am out to protect jobs and prosperity and

:26:59.:27:01.

leaving the single market and Customs union, and nobody has

:27:02.:27:05.

explained how it can be avoided, will cost jobs and prosperity. I

:27:06.:27:10.

think we can toughen up migration controls. On the ballot paper the

:27:11.:27:16.

single market never came up. That is not true. In many of the programmes

:27:17.:27:22.

I did it raised the issue of the single market. Given we are being

:27:23.:27:25.

asked to believe in the Belgian example, how many people has Belgium

:27:26.:27:32.

sent home because they no longer had a job? Some thousands, I gather. I

:27:33.:27:39.

don't know exactly. If this is a centre of your policy, do you need

:27:40.:27:43.

to know? We have a bigger economy and we would work out how it

:27:44.:27:48.

applied. The point I am making is to stay in the single market does not

:27:49.:27:53.

mean uncontrolled migration, and it is dishonest to pretend otherwise.

:27:54.:27:58.

There are ways of enforcing control, as for example Belgium has done. We

:27:59.:28:02.

could even be tougher. You don't really know what Belgium has done. I

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do because it is clear. I cannot give you the numbers. They are in

:28:09.:28:15.

the thousands. You are not disputing the point I am making that you can

:28:16.:28:17.

have tougher migration controls in the single market and protect jobs

:28:18.:28:25.

and prosperity. I want the Nissan workers, Jaguar Land Rover workers,

:28:26.:28:29.

having jobs protected and the best way is to remain in the single

:28:30.:28:35.

market. Caroline Flint, you have been clear we cannot remain members

:28:36.:28:39.

of the single market all customs union, are you confident that is the

:28:40.:28:45.

settled policy of your front bench? I think it is. I know it is. I know

:28:46.:28:54.

it is because I heard Keir Starmer use the language, we need access to

:28:55.:28:59.

the single market, not talking about membership. Obviously when you are

:29:00.:29:04.

on the doorstep in Don Valley and elsewhere, people do not say let's

:29:05.:29:08.

talk about the single market but I know as a Remain campaign that I was

:29:09.:29:11.

in debates where I made it clear if we left we could not be members of

:29:12.:29:17.

the single market. Some said they wanted to stay in the single market.

:29:18.:29:21.

Lots of things were said on all sides that were not helpful to the

:29:22.:29:26.

debate. What I am clear about is the British people and I think a

:29:27.:29:30.

substantial number of remain voters and recent polling shows 40% of

:29:31.:29:36.

Remain voters are clear we should leave the European Union. They were

:29:37.:29:39.

clear they wanted more control, which does not mean throwing out the

:29:40.:29:44.

baby with the bath water and not having the standards currently, many

:29:45.:29:48.

of them I suggest inspired by the UK. They do want more control which

:29:49.:29:55.

might mean that we can come to a place where we can enjoy free

:29:56.:29:59.

tariffs, but it might be being outside the single market we will

:30:00.:30:04.

have I believe more control over immigration, to turn the tap on and

:30:05.:30:08.

off when we feel their economy needs it, but also to do things like

:30:09.:30:14.

reduce VAT on energy costs, or support some of the foundation

:30:15.:30:17.

industry is better than they have been because of the EU.

:30:18.:30:23.

Andrew Adonis, your Labour colleague in the Lords, says that advocate

:30:24.:30:32.

leaving membership of the single market is "A hard right nationalist

:30:33.:30:35.

policy". That is the policy of your party. I haven't used that term. He

:30:36.:30:43.

has. Is he right or wrong? The consequence of doing it is we would

:30:44.:30:47.

have to start all over again with 27 member... That was in 20 was making

:30:48.:30:52.

adult. He said it is a hard right nationalist policy. I'm pointing

:30:53.:30:55.

out, according to Caroline Flint, that is the policy of your party so

:30:56.:31:00.

your party is now according to Andrew Adonis advocating a hard

:31:01.:31:02.

right nationalist policy. I think you should ask Andrew Adonis about

:31:03.:31:06.

that. We wanted to but he couldn't come on. That's why we have you and

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we are grateful for it. I'm grateful to be here and it ought to my friend

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Caroline. The point is to leave the European single market means you

:31:17.:31:20.

then have to renegotiate Access with all in the seven members. In

:31:21.:31:25.

addition you've got to renegotiate Access with over 50 other countries

:31:26.:31:29.

across the world with which the single market has trade deals. This

:31:30.:31:33.

could take years. It could cost many, many jobs. Why not stay in the

:31:34.:31:38.

single market, change the rules in respect of migration and have a much

:31:39.:31:44.

more secure future for Britain? People didn't vote for Brexit South

:31:45.:31:48.

Wales I is where I knocked on doors in order to be poorer. Some of those

:31:49.:31:53.

people are poor and the problem is, Peter, much of this, it saddens me

:31:54.:31:57.

that we as a party didn't address these issues more fundamentally way

:31:58.:32:01.

before we got to the referendum on freedom of movement, for example.

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But part of the problem is that when people talk about the net benefits

:32:06.:32:11.

of the EU, and I am knowledgeable about, -- I acknowledge all of that,

:32:12.:32:15.

we fail to express those benefits so some of the pluses of having access

:32:16.:32:21.

to cheap labour to be plumbers and everyone else coming into our homes,

:32:22.:32:25.

for businesses to exploit that steady slow migration coming to our

:32:26.:32:29.

shores, I'm afraid many other and communities outside our big cities

:32:30.:32:31.

and the middle-class areas areas outside the country they were not

:32:32.:32:34.

feeling it and they roared last year. Caroline Flint, let me ask you

:32:35.:32:41.

this, finally. There was an amendment down to the Queen's Speech

:32:42.:32:43.

advocating continued membership of the single market. Is Labour going

:32:44.:32:52.

to vote against that? Well, I'm not going to be supporting a is

:32:53.:32:55.

basically saying that anything but membership of that should be the

:32:56.:33:00.

case and I wait to hear what my party is telling me how to vote

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later on in the day but what I am saying is that I cannot support

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something that ties us into something which I think undermines

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and puts at risk our ongoing conversation and discussion with the

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British people about how we leave the EU. Our front bench, Heather

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Self, ab stained in the Lords last night on the amendment. Thank you,

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Peter. Thank you both. It's deadline day for politicians

:33:22.:33:28.

in Northern Ireland to reach an agreement on power-sharing that

:33:29.:33:31.

would allow devolved If this afternoon's deadline

:33:32.:33:32.

is missed, it could lead to direct While we've been on air, we have a

:33:33.:33:42.

short statement from the Northern Ireland Secretary of State is broken

:33:43.:33:48.

and I. Here is what he had to say. -- James Brokenshire. Much progress

:33:49.:33:51.

has been made but a number of issues remain outstanding. I believe that a

:33:52.:33:58.

resolution can be found and I'm urging the parties to continue

:33:59.:34:05.

focusing all of their efforts on achieving this. UK Government will

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work with the parties toward their critical objective of forming an

:34:12.:34:14.

executive. Let's get the latest on those talks

:34:15.:34:15.

from our Northern Ireland political Mark, is in the expectation that

:34:16.:34:28.

there won't be an agreement today? I think so, Andrew. Even though James

:34:29.:34:32.

Brokenshire was trying to accentuate the positive, really the political

:34:33.:34:35.

atmosphere here is every bit as dismal as the weather at Stormont

:34:36.:34:39.

Castle and there is a sense that the two main parties, the DUP and Sinn

:34:40.:34:44.

Fein, have not been able to overcome their differences over what kind of

:34:45.:34:46.

registers a provisional measure before the Irish language in the

:34:47.:34:52.

future. -- what kind of legislative provision there should be. They are

:34:53.:34:59.

squabbling about whether they should wear their laundry in public or keep

:35:00.:35:03.

it private. If they can't come to an agreement and the deadline for PMS

:35:04.:35:10.

often impasses, what then happens? Comes down to James Brokenshire to

:35:11.:35:13.

choose his options. You could call another election and we have

:35:14.:35:18.

election night is because we have just had the snap election but only

:35:19.:35:21.

in the spring we had an assembly election I don't think the public

:35:22.:35:24.

would have great deal of time for another poll may be in the autumn.

:35:25.:35:30.

Alternatively, he could go for direct rule, appointing ministers

:35:31.:35:32.

from London to take over the running of this place, but he knows there

:35:33.:35:35.

will be a kickback in particular from Sinn Fein in relation to that.

:35:36.:35:40.

The other two alternatives, if I can go into four alternatives, are

:35:41.:35:46.

probably more likely. One is that he could potentially delay this

:35:47.:35:48.

deadline, retrospectively legislate for a new one. Another is that he

:35:49.:35:55.

could go into some sort of half life well -- where Westminster does a bit

:35:56.:35:59.

of Stormont business but it is in the hands of civil service to run

:36:00.:36:04.

this place. We shall see. I'm sure the people of Northern Ireland can't

:36:05.:36:09.

wait for another election! Mark Devonport in a rather rainy

:36:10.:36:13.

Stormont. Owen Paterson, you have great experience of Northern

:36:14.:36:18.

Ireland. Would not be realistic to think that they don't get an

:36:19.:36:21.

agreement today but at some stage they will get an agreement? It is

:36:22.:36:25.

still a matter of time and it will happen? Or that being too

:36:26.:36:30.

optimistic? The people of Northern Ireland are completely exasperated

:36:31.:36:37.

and exhausted. I still go there privately and they want to get on

:36:38.:36:41.

their businesses. As one example, we had this big campaign to corporation

:36:42.:36:46.

tax reduced. Can only be done by devolved administration working

:36:47.:36:49.

Stormont. That benefits every single right across Northern Ireland

:36:50.:36:54.

because you get someone just over the border in Donegal, a small

:36:55.:36:59.

market town, just down the road you have Londonderry, second biggest

:37:00.:37:03.

town, which is nothing like the scale of that town because of

:37:04.:37:07.

corporation tax. For me it is completely exasperated, if Mark

:37:08.:37:12.

Devonport is right, it is a matter of intense interest to quite a small

:37:13.:37:16.

minority and the last poll I saw was that more people speak Polish than

:37:17.:37:20.

speak Irish in Ireland. I just hope that this late stage they have to

:37:21.:37:25.

this afternoon elect a First Minister, Deputy First Minister and

:37:26.:37:28.

the Speaker and set up an executive. You want them to get on with running

:37:29.:37:33.

the province? Absolutely nobody in Westminster wants to bring direct

:37:34.:37:37.

rule back. That bit I can understand! And it has worked on the

:37:38.:37:42.

people of Northern Ireland wanted to work. Here we are, at 1240 B, there

:37:43.:37:50.

is still time. As a former Northern Ireland Secretary of State, James

:37:51.:37:55.

Brokenshire could the deadline? He could, yesterday it will be

:37:56.:37:58.

interesting if Sinn Fein don't want to get into an executive. Because

:37:59.:38:02.

they don't get their seats in Westminster they will basically be

:38:03.:38:05.

just running district councils and they do represent a lot of people

:38:06.:38:08.

across Northern Ireland and it would be much better if they were in the

:38:09.:38:11.

Executive with the DUP. OK, we shall see.

:38:12.:38:15.

When Britain leaves the EU, what will the future hold

:38:16.:38:17.

In a moment we'll hear from our guest of the day -

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he's a former secretary of state for rural affairs - but first

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We've come to the Royal Norfolk show.

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This is where the best of local farming is celebrated.

:38:30.:38:32.

There is so much uncertainty over currency, which is a major

:38:33.:38:39.

I was all for Brexit, but, after the fiasco

:38:40.:38:44.

over the last month, I'm very worried man now.

:38:45.:38:48.

For the past 45 years, subsidies from Europe have had

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a massive part to play in how Britain farms.

:38:51.:38:53.

And Brexit is set to change all that.

:38:54.:39:01.

Many farmers get more than half their income from EU funding,

:39:02.:39:04.

through the Common Agricultural Policy.

:39:05.:39:07.

Without it, they'd go out of business.

:39:08.:39:10.

And the government is yet to set out how it will help

:39:11.:39:13.

Post-2022, we have no idea what funding might look like.

:39:14.:39:17.

What we would like to see is some really good transitional

:39:18.:39:20.

That will be affected by the trade talks that we have,

:39:21.:39:25.

so that negotiations that are carried out by the Brexit team,

:39:26.:39:29.

by our future trade relationship with Europe, and whether that's

:39:30.:39:32.

a free-trade agreement, a customs union version, or something else,

:39:33.:39:35.

But what we do want is something that gives us productivity,

:39:36.:39:39.

it gives scope to support the environment and it gives us

:39:40.:39:41.

scope to ensure we can grow our contribution

:39:42.:39:43.

has been criticised for handing out millions to already wealthy

:39:44.:39:51.

landowners and for propping up some parts of the farming industry

:39:52.:39:54.

There is a statistic out there that the top 10% of producers

:39:55.:39:58.

are twice as productive as the bottom 10%,

:39:59.:40:00.

and that's something we want to close the gap on.

:40:01.:40:05.

That's everything from R, research and development,

:40:06.:40:07.

but also upskilling, as well as enabling investment

:40:08.:40:11.

into storage and collaboration and those sorts of things.

:40:12.:40:14.

So there is a lot more we could get out of our industry and I think it's

:40:15.:40:18.

Chancellor Philip Hammond has promised to maintain the current

:40:19.:40:22.

But, beyond that, the future for British farmers is uncertain.

:40:23.:40:32.

Michael Gove, now back in the Cabinet as the Environment

:40:33.:40:36.

and Rural Affairs Secretary, came to tell Norfolk farmers

:40:37.:40:39.

Shame he didn't bring any sunshine with him.

:40:40.:40:45.

Yeah, you could change that next time!

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Do we have to accept that after the subsidies change,

:40:50.:40:53.

that some farms are just no longer going to be viable?

:40:54.:40:55.

One of the things about the whole guarantee that we've given

:40:56.:40:59.

is that there will be support for farmers in cash terms,

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which was day the same right up until 2022.

:41:03.:41:11.

And as we leave the European Union, there

:41:12.:41:14.

New opportunities for us to have an agricultural policy that

:41:15.:41:18.

provides support to people who do the right thing environmentally.

:41:19.:41:20.

Support from the government for those who make our countryside

:41:21.:41:22.

beautiful and is sure that our natural

:41:23.:41:24.

And it's also the case that we can provide support in order to ensure

:41:25.:41:29.

that food is produced to the highest possible standards for sale

:41:30.:41:31.

But something's got to change, hasn't it, because some

:41:32.:41:34.

farms are so much more productive than others?

:41:35.:41:36.

Some farms are more productive than others, but it is the case

:41:37.:41:39.

in making a judgment about how you support farming that there

:41:40.:41:42.

Brexit will also change the way we buy and sell farming produce

:41:43.:41:46.

to the rest of the world and could bring opportunities

:41:47.:41:49.

to liberalise farming and compete more successfully on world markets.

:41:50.:41:52.

But MPs on the Environmental Audit Committee have voiced concerns.

:41:53.:41:58.

As we form new trade agreements outside the EU,

:41:59.:42:05.

British farmers could face increased competition from countries

:42:06.:42:07.

that want to sell us cheaper produce, and trade agreements that

:42:08.:42:10.

impose any taxes on UK farm exports could make it less

:42:11.:42:15.

profitable for British farmers to export goods abroad.

:42:16.:42:20.

Anything coming into this country has got to abide by the same

:42:21.:42:22.

rules and regulations - the food hygiene and the health

:42:23.:42:25.

and safety of the animals has got to be exactly the same as us,

:42:26.:42:28.

or else it should not be allowed to come in.

:42:29.:42:31.

That is not a fair, level playing field.

:42:32.:42:32.

Leaving the EU will affect so many industries, but some argue farming

:42:33.:42:35.

is really the biggest Brexit beast which has the most to lose or gain.

:42:36.:42:46.

Emma Vardy reporting. Owen Paterson, as members of the EU, we impose

:42:47.:42:54.

massive tariffs on agricultural produce from the rest of the world.

:42:55.:42:59.

On dairy products, beef products, all sorts of things coming in, even

:43:00.:43:05.

coffee coming in from Africa and so on to talk would it not be sensible,

:43:06.:43:10.

as we leave the EU, just to get rid of these tariffs and see the price

:43:11.:43:15.

of food fall, which would be a huge advantage to poorer people in this

:43:16.:43:20.

country? Quite right, it would be an 8 billion injection into the British

:43:21.:43:24.

economy, the average family would be over ?300 a year better off and

:43:25.:43:27.

there will be advantages for coffee and Germany earns far more money

:43:28.:43:31.

from coffee, processed coffee, because Africans of a process coffee

:43:32.:43:36.

have to pay the higher tariff. So you're quite right, there would be

:43:37.:43:39.

huge gains on that. The counter to that is, we will have to have a

:43:40.:43:44.

world competitive industry. In some areas we do. We have the world

:43:45.:43:47.

record for wheat production per acre. We are not allowed to embrace

:43:48.:43:53.

some technologies by the EU, so we should change the emphasis and the

:43:54.:43:56.

precautionary principle which is basically, don't get out of bed in

:43:57.:43:59.

the morning in case you bang your head on the door and fall down the

:44:00.:44:03.

stairs, and embrace technology. So somewhere like France, if it had the

:44:04.:44:07.

same efficiency as the United States as maize production, it would

:44:08.:44:10.

produce 1.9 million more tonnes of maize, or on the environment would

:44:11.:44:15.

free up several thousand hectares for recreation. The answer is to go

:44:16.:44:19.

absolutely fullbore using the latest technologies which will help the

:44:20.:44:24.

environment and to encourage our farmers to diversify as happened in

:44:25.:44:28.

New Zealand and follow the best food product that is suited to their

:44:29.:44:32.

farm. You then look at countries like Switzerland where there is very

:44:33.:44:38.

significant subsidy for public goods, so environmental benefits

:44:39.:44:40.

provided by farmers in Switzerland, provided mainly by livestock farming

:44:41.:44:45.

which, on the food production level looks insanely expensive but provide

:44:46.:44:50.

the benefit of maintaining environments for the tourism

:44:51.:44:55.

industry so there are all sorts of things, biodiversity, flora, fauna.

:44:56.:45:00.

What should matter Morkel... What should matter more for a

:45:01.:45:05.

Conservative government - trying to reduce the price of food in the

:45:06.:45:10.

supermarkets, which benefits people on below-average incomes, or

:45:11.:45:12.

placating the farm lobby, because they're not going to like a tariff?

:45:13.:45:18.

You do both, you take advantage of coming out of the customs union

:45:19.:45:24.

which benefits every citizen, everybody is better off with cheaper

:45:25.:45:29.

food. Only if the tariffs are cut. You then say, how does it affect the

:45:30.:45:35.

farming industry? Certain sectors of the industry can be competitive as

:45:36.:45:39.

certainly if we are allowed to use modern technology. There will be

:45:40.:45:43.

marginal areas where you cannot compete with world food prices that

:45:44.:45:48.

there is a significant public good provided by the environmental parts,

:45:49.:45:53.

such as rural tourism industry, which it is fine to give significant

:45:54.:45:58.

public money. The Swiss paid more per head than we do under CAP. Our

:45:59.:46:07.

food self-sufficiency has gone down and environmental output has gone

:46:08.:46:11.

down because it's a broad blanket subsidy system that does not work.

:46:12.:46:16.

Out of the EU do we continue multi-billion pound subsidies to the

:46:17.:46:20.

farming industry? Not for direct food production. That is the lesson

:46:21.:46:27.

from New Zealand. New Zealand is interesting. Is it your view or the

:46:28.:46:32.

Conservatives view? That is clearly my expressed view. Which is not

:46:33.:46:37.

party policy. Farmers watching might be rather worried by what you say.

:46:38.:46:44.

I talk to farmers the whole time and people understand where I am going

:46:45.:46:47.

whether I explain this. There is another side of it, we have 1

:46:48.:46:52.

billion people hungry as we speak and will add 2 billion to the world

:46:53.:46:56.

population and there is an increase in standards of living around the

:46:57.:47:00.

world. There are massive opportunities to export. If we are

:47:01.:47:05.

at world prices, there will be many middle of the road products such as

:47:06.:47:10.

mince, which will suffer against world prices and to counter that you

:47:11.:47:14.

have to get into premium product countries such as India for Scotch

:47:15.:47:18.

Whisky, China for certain meat products and get the premium, which

:47:19.:47:23.

is why you have to leave the customs union so we can get on and negotiate

:47:24.:47:28.

these trade deals. The European Commission yesterday floated the

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idea of reducing the money spent on the Common Agricultural Policy in

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order to divert money elsewhere to make up the money they will lose

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when Britain leaves. The commission is furious because they will be 10

:47:43.:47:49.

billion short. The ex-communist countries, they came in at a low

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rate subsidy compared to establish countries such as France and

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Germany. I negotiated the last round of the policy and you could see this

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coming down the track, when they are going to try to level up. There will

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be a huge row and thank goodness we will be out of it. We can tailor

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agriculture environment policy to our own industry. Do you think in

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ten, 15 years from now, if you got your way, we would pay much in

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subsidies to British farmers as we do now? But we would be getting

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transparent goods. Iker Casillas paying a lot of money for the Hill

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areas -- I can see us pay more money in the hill areas and others. In New

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Zealand, they had 70 million sheep running around the hills doing

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terrible soil erosion and creating water pollution and they could not

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sell them and they turned into fertiliser. They stop subsidies. We

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have time for a transition. They have now 21 million sheep and export

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the same amount of meat. Bad news for chic? No, healthy sheep. Much

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healthier, better, larger, more robust sheep and a better

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environment. Good news for sheep. You heard it first the Daily

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Politics. This morning saw one of the most

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dramatic and keenly awaited moments Not the Queen's Speech, the Budget,

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or even the Westminster I speak, of course,

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of the annual draw to decide which MP has come top

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in the Private Members' Bill ballot, meaning that a bill they bring

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forward on a subject of their choosing has a higher

:49:30.:49:32.

chance of becoming law. It's a bit like the draw

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for the National Lottery if you'd asked Jacob Rees-Mogg

:49:40.:49:43.

to design the set. The ballot draw for private members'

:49:44.:49:45.

bills in the present session 461 members entered

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the ballot this year. We now come to the members who get

:49:51.:49:58.

the first pick of the Fridays And we're joined now by the winner,

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the Labour MP Chris Bryant. Welcome to the programme, you came

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top. What will you put forward? Those who were last shall be first

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and those who were first shall be last. Every year I have put in the

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ballot, I wanted it to be my old school number, 18, and this time I

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have won. I cannot decide yet. I have a little list. What I would

:50:45.:50:51.

love to do is sort out the Waspi pension injustice. That costs money.

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And therefore I can't. You are not allowed to do money bills. I would

:50:57.:51:03.

like to do ending wrapping that cannot be recycled on food. Are you

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allowed? I don't know yet. I would like to do civil partnerships for

:51:10.:51:15.

heterosexual Couples, more equality. A new offence of attacking emergency

:51:16.:51:19.

staff, because that has been a growing problem. You been accident

:51:20.:51:26.

and emergency? And Fire Service and people. I would like to abolish

:51:27.:51:31.

hereditary peers from the House of Lords, for that matter abolish

:51:32.:51:35.

hereditary titles. I would like to do land reform. Another I would like

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and I might get support here, Owen Paterson, you have supported a cap

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on welfare benefits for families, so why not a cap on agricultural

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benefits for farmers. That is a money bill? If you put a cap on, you

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are OK. You are not allowing an additional charge. I did not think

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the Private Members' Bills could have anything to do with money. In

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order to proceed in committee you have to have a money Bill in those

:52:09.:52:12.

cases because almost everything has some cost implication but what you

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cannot do is increase expenditure and you cannot increase a charge on

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the taxpayer, but I think you can decrease it. You have asked people

:52:24.:52:27.

on Twitter for suggestions. Do you know what you are doing? Well, you

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know... They are already coming in any way, to be honest. It came as a

:52:35.:52:42.

surprise this morning. I have until July the 19th to make up my mind and

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there is an art because on the one hand, it is a capricious business

:52:48.:52:50.

and in the end the government whips can talk bills out. There is an

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issue of do I go for something that will achieve cross-party consensus

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and therefore get something on the statute book, or do I advance a

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cause that might not get to the statute book book makes a big point?

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You have to reconcile going for something you really want might not

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get and getting something you want but not as much but has a better

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chance of getting through? It might end up as a small measure. There is

:53:19.:53:21.

a lot I'd like to change in Britain but I will not be able to do that in

:53:22.:53:26.

a single bill, because of the rules, and also because Labour does not

:53:27.:53:30.

have a majority and I have to persuade people to turn up on a

:53:31.:53:35.

Friday morning. The rules are such, if somebody keeps on talking and

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talking, even if they talk nonsense and repeat themselves, it can be

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talked out and you do not get to committee stage. Any advice? I would

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go for something with cross-party support and get it through. Like

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what? That is up to you. But I need your support. I'd like to your

:53:56.:54:00.

emergency workers, that is something that is interesting. We read more

:54:01.:54:04.

reports about this. Whether it needs legislation, I am not sure. I know

:54:05.:54:09.

what will happen to that, the government will say it is a good

:54:10.:54:13.

idea but does not need to be in legislation and they will talk it

:54:14.:54:18.

out, that is the danger. Could you not put a billion to move the Daily

:54:19.:54:22.

Politics to prime time on BBC One. And force people to watch it? Not

:54:23.:54:26.

force them, just give us better chance! We could do a thing to force

:54:27.:54:37.

the publication of your salary. When is that happening? At the end of

:54:38.:54:42.

July. That is very exciting. But we will be in recess. Several Tory MPs

:54:43.:54:50.

have asked me to present a new band rebuild, that goes back to 650 MPs

:54:51.:54:57.

and my activists asks if we can ban letterboxes that are not flat. In

:54:58.:55:01.

other words, the ones that go up like that. That would be a big

:55:02.:55:09.

issue. Job King, Andrew. I understand. This is not a joke, we

:55:10.:55:14.

have just heard that MPs will no longer have to wear a tie to ask a

:55:15.:55:20.

question. I always thought it was unfair that women stand in the

:55:21.:55:24.

chamber in a T-shirt and jeans and men have to wear a jacket and suit,

:55:25.:55:29.

a jacket and tie, rather. That always seems odd. Looking very well

:55:30.:55:37.

dressed today. Despite the heat. Interestingly, the chamber... We

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have run out of time. I have to get onto the big issue of the day, even

:55:42.:55:43.

you coming first in this lottery. Now, time to find out

:55:44.:55:45.

the answer to our quiz. for a politician by getting

:55:46.:55:48.

their face tattooed on her arm. C - Justin Trudeau,

:55:49.:55:56.

the Canadian Prime Minister? Instead of asking the studio guests,

:55:57.:56:12.

we can go to Adele Shepherd. She is struggling with her earpiece.

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Can you hear me? Excuse me? It does not look like it. There is a panic.

:56:17.:56:27.

Do you know which tattoo she got? It must be Jeremy Corbyn. It was Jeremy

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Corbyn. Adele Shepherd, can you hear me? This is not going to work, I'm

:56:34.:56:39.

afraid. We will have to give it up. She is in trouble with her earpiece.

:56:40.:56:44.

Jeremy Corbyn should have one of her now. Which politician do you have is

:56:45.:56:53.

tattoo? I do not have one. Adele Shepherd, can you hear me? Yes. Well

:56:54.:57:00.

done. What a struggle. Thanks for persevering. It is probably your

:57:01.:57:05.

first time on TV and you were bowled a fast ball with the earpiece.

:57:06.:57:12.

Relax, just tell us why did you decide to get a tattoo of Jeremy

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Corbyn and can we see it? Yes, certainly. There it is. Very

:57:18.:57:25.

recognisable. I became a member of the Labour

:57:26.:57:30.

Party eight months ago because I wanted to vote Jeremy Corbyn back in

:57:31.:57:34.

as leader after the vote of no confidence but as a new member I was

:57:35.:57:38.

not allowed to use that vote, which is another thing altogether. I met

:57:39.:57:44.

him in Stockton. He came up and I was blown away by his... A genuine

:57:45.:57:52.

person. I met him again at Scarborough when the election was

:57:53.:57:55.

called and again when he came to the borough to promote our candidate for

:57:56.:58:05.

the election. For me he represents compassion, fairness, understanding,

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empathy. And that is why you got the tattoo? Absolutely. It is permanent,

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what if he became Prime Minister and let you down badly, what would you

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do with your arm? He could not possibly let me down because of what

:58:23.:58:26.

he stands for and what he represents is what I am passionate about. He is

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a human being, we are all flawed, we are not perfect. I'm afraid we have

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run out of time and that is our fault for not getting the proper

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earpiece to you. Great to talk to you and thank you for explaining

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that. The one o'clock news is starting

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over on BBC One now. I'm back tonight with

:58:43.:58:47.

Michael Portillo, Liz Kendall, Adam Klug from Momentum,

:58:48.:58:49.

Adam Boulton, and the comedian MUSIC: Hoppipolla

:58:50.:58:53.

by Sigur Ros

:58:54.:59:20.

Andrew Neil is joined by the former environment secretary Owen Paterson for news from Westminster including the vote on the Queen's Speech, the latest on today's deadline for power-sharing in Northern Ireland and politically-inspired tattoos.


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