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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
As Boris Johnson joins the list of ministers calling for the 1% | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
public sector pay cap to be lifted, what price Cabinet | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
And if the cap is lifted, how will it be paid for? | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
Brexit could have big implications for Ireland. | :00:55. | :00:56. | |
We'll be talking to a former ambassador who thinks it shouldn't | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
During the campaign come up my recognition factor is suffered a bit | :01:00. | :01:13. | |
of a setback when a picture of me was mistakenly substituted with a | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
And as new MPs line up to make their first contributions | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
in the Commons, we'll give them some tips on making the | :01:23. | :01:24. | |
And with us for the whole of the programme today, | :01:25. | :01:32. | |
two new MPs performing that other important rite of passage | :01:33. | :01:34. | |
of life at Westminster - being guests of the day on the Daily | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
It's Labour's Sarah Jones, she's the new MP for Croydon Central, | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
and the Conservative Bim Afolami, he's the new MP for | :01:42. | :01:47. | |
Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has this morning joined the ranks | :01:48. | :01:56. | |
of ministers calling on his own government to consider | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
lifting the pay cap for many public sector workers. | :02:00. | :02:01. | |
But what exactly is the cap, and how many people does it affect? | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
Some five million people work in the public sector in the UK - | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
A third of them work for the NHS, and another third in education. | :02:09. | :02:14. | |
Others work in local government, the police and the armed forces. | :02:15. | :02:22. | |
To employ them all costs around ?180 billion a year, just over | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
Public sector employees have seen their pay restricted | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
Between 2011 and 2013, pay was frozen for all | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
Since 2013, public sector pay has risen by 1% each year. | :02:35. | :02:47. | |
However, some have been earning more - because automatic 'progression | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
pay' means they move up the pay scale as they gain experience. | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
The Government currently plans to extend the 1% cap | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
to 2019-20, which is predicted to save around ?5 billion. | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
In setting public sector pay, the Government has been | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
following the recommendations of the eight independent pay review | :03:07. | :03:08. | |
They report at different times of year. | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
Pay rates for this year have already been set for all workers, | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
but the Government could yet decide to lift the cap | :03:19. | :03:20. | |
Well, we're joined now by Jonathan Cribb, | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
from the Institute for Fiscal Studies. | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
Many people think it is time to give public sector workers a bigger pay | :03:31. | :03:37. | |
rise. Can you tell us what has been happening broadly the private sector | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
and public sector pay over the last seven years? Yes, there is a | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
relatively simple story that has happened since the recession. | :03:46. | :03:52. | |
Between 2008 and 2011, private sector pay fell in real terms | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
sharply while public sector pay continued to rise at roughly the | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
same rate as it was before the recession. In 2011, private sector | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
pay began to recover and pay restraint was introduced in the | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
public sector. That means when we are sitting here in 2017, public and | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
private sector pay have now grown at roughly the same rate when we look | :04:16. | :04:21. | |
all the way back to 2070 2008 over that 10-year period. When you look | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
at public sector pay now, what would the cost be for a rise in line with | :04:27. | :04:36. | |
inflation? If public sector pay was increased in line with inflation for | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
the next two years, that was the proposal for the Liberal Democrat | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
Party at the last election. That would cost about ?4.1 billion per | :04:45. | :04:52. | |
year in 2019 the extra amount the Government would need to give the | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
departments and local government for those departments not have to make | :04:57. | :05:03. | |
cuts elsewhere. It pay does not go further than the 1% cap in place at | :05:04. | :05:10. | |
the moment, will public sector pay generally fall behind the private | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
sector in the next few years? According to the office for budget | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
responsibilities forecast, that was be the case -- the Office for Budget | :05:20. | :05:27. | |
Responsibility's forecast. And that could exacerbate recruitment and | :05:28. | :05:35. | |
retention problems in the public sector. Bim, inflation is running at | :05:36. | :05:44. | |
2.9%, it is it time to end the 1% pay cut for public sector workers? | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
There is definitely a case to be made that the 1% pay cut has been in | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
place for too long. That case has been made, not just by me now and my | :05:54. | :05:59. | |
maiden speech on Wednesday, but by several Conservative MPs. The | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
question is, where'd we focus that? Is that generally a rise in all | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
areas of the public sector, is it for all public sector workers? I | :06:10. | :06:12. | |
would like a focus on the lowest paid public sector workers. Because | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
they are the people of greatest need. And it is worth saying that | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
public sector pay still is about 13% higher than private sector pay when | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
you take the average. Although if you look at a number of graphs, it | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
shows private sector pay is overtaking public sector pay broadly | :06:31. | :06:39. | |
speaking. Well, that 30% number is over the last ten, 15 years. Really, | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
I think the focus as far as I am concerned is in the lowest paid | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
public sector workers if we can do something. If the pay review body | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
says the cap should go, would you agree with that? We have to listen | :06:53. | :06:55. | |
to the pay review body, that is why we have these bodies. Is it an area | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
of weakness for the Government, so says Theresa May's Chief of Staff? | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
In the seat Sarah Jones now has taken. Reflecting on the reasons why | :07:07. | :07:09. | |
he lost the seat comment you agree with him? He knows he seat better | :07:10. | :07:15. | |
than I do. It was an issue that came up in my campaign, in my | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
constituency, so it is definitely an issue for the Government. But we | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
have to make sure we deal with these things responsibly. Is it | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
responsible for Cabinet ministers to publicly make this argument without | :07:28. | :07:29. | |
having decided what the overall policy is going to be? I think | :07:30. | :07:36. | |
Cabinet ministers, like all Members of Parliament, have their own views | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
on a range of different subjects. I'll welcome politics where we can | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
discuss views on a range of different subjects. In public? That | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
is a reason we are in this programme, the talk in public in | :07:50. | :07:52. | |
different areas of policy. You are different to a member of Cabinet, | :07:53. | :07:58. | |
there is something called collective responsibility and should people | :07:59. | :08:00. | |
like Michael Gove and Boris Johnson be talking about this publicly | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
before a decision? I cannot speak about what they have said. Labour | :08:05. | :08:10. | |
would scrap the 1% cap on public sector pay, how much of a pay raise | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
would you like to see them get? We have to look at the reality on the | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
ground in terms of the NHS and teachers. In our campaign, we would | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
see time after time people leaving the public sex -- public services | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
because they are under huge pressure and not being paid enough. We need | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
to listen to what the pay review body say because they are the | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
experts, and take a view as to what we can do and what is fiscally | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
possible. In our manifesto, we would have taken measures to increase the | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
funding we have so I think we need to look at what the pay review body | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
says and reflect on the reality we see in hospitals and schools on the | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
ground where people need to get paid a decent wage to keep them doing | :08:54. | :08:56. | |
those jobs. What is a decent wage the usual words, and your colleague | :08:57. | :09:03. | |
Jonathan Ashworth called it a fair Perez, how much? We have seen nurses | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
getting about 14% loss in their income so we need to put that up. I | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
do not know what that figure should be, I need to listen to the pay | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
review bodies. But we do need to see a pay rise. And this is where Labour | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
had been talking for many months about this, we need to have a | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
conversation, what is the role of the state and providing the public | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
services that we need? You said it had to be fiscally responsible as | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
the IFS have estimated that if you were to rise, increase our big | :09:34. | :09:39. | |
sector pay in line with the private sector pay, it costs about ?6.3 | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
billion a year by 2020, rising to ?9.2 billion a year by 2022. Labour | :09:45. | :09:52. | |
budgeted for ?4 billion. Can the country afford those sorts of pay | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
rises? If you look at the police force and the firemen who went above | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
and beyond in the last couple of weeks and months in terms of doing | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
their jobs, we need to give what we can. And you prepared to do 6.3 | :10:04. | :10:10. | |
billion, 9.2 billion by 2020? I would listen to the pay review | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
bodies and do what we can. We would not be having this conversation if | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
it was not for the Labour Party calling for these things and it is | :10:18. | :10:20. | |
great they are having the same conversation, but we need to look at | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
this collectively and sensibly and do what we can. There is a measure | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
of agreement here that the independent pay bodies are important | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
and they need to be listened to and I hope that is something possibly we | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
could work on a cross-party and make sure once we listen to those pay | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
bodies, then debate. Let's unpack this 1% pay cut. Some people had | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
been receiving an annual pay increase of more than 1%. Which is | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
noted by the NHS pay review body, 54% of NHS staff in England with | :10:53. | :10:58. | |
Jude to receive pay increments of 3%, 4% on average in 2016-2017 some | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
the cap does not apply across the board. So do you accept that are | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
variations in terms of people being paid more than 1%? Yes, and what I | :11:10. | :11:16. | |
said at the beginning, it is really important to focus, I think, in the | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
lowest paid public sector workers at the moment. That was also included | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
in the freezer and the 1% pay cap and did not apply to those at the | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
lowest end, do we not look at those above that. I think you have got to | :11:29. | :11:34. | |
look at a range and we could come up with a different definition of the | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
lowest paid, but the important point is it is an important is system and | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
you have different areas within the public sector and it is eight | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
different pay review bodies, or several and we need to listen to | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
what all of them say. But the central point is this is definitely | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
the time to look again at the 1% and Seve we can lift it. In the timing, | :11:56. | :12:03. | |
I do think there is an issue of not leaving people unsure of what is | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
happening for the next six months. We have noises about wanting to do | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
something, the pressure now from us should we need to do something | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
sooner rather than later because there is so much uncertainty. And | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
generous pensions in some parts of the public sector should also be | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
looked at in the round when looking at pay? Pensions will always be part | :12:26. | :12:28. | |
of the package. But the main point is, the debate and how it is moving | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
in to a situation where I think the public and politicians are saying it | :12:35. | :12:36. | |
is time to fund these things properly. | :12:37. | :12:37. | |
The question for today is: MPs are reportedly worried | :12:38. | :12:44. | |
Is it: a) The ghost of former Commons clerk 'Simon Stone'. | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
b) The mythical rock which brings MPs good luck. | :12:50. | :12:51. | |
c) The extra weight that new MPs gain due to an unhealthy lifestyle. | :12:52. | :12:54. | |
Or d) The unusually large pips in apricots in the Commons canteen? | :12:55. | :12:57. | |
At the end of the show, Sarah and Bim will give | :12:58. | :13:00. | |
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is now, in the words of his deputy leader | :13:01. | :13:12. | |
Tom Watson, "completely secure" following the party's better | :13:13. | :13:14. | |
Mr Watson said at the weekend that meant there was no need to rush | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
through measures that would give members more power in the party's | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
ruling body and the right to nominate leadership candidates. | :13:23. | :13:24. | |
But does everyone in the Shadow Cabinet agree? | :13:25. | :13:26. | |
Here's the Justice Secretary, Richard Burgon, speaking to Andrew | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
I do believe that all parties, including the Labour Party, need to | :13:30. | :13:41. | |
be made more democratic. We have got membership of well over half a | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
million and I would like the members to have more say in our party's | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
policies and in the way the party is run. | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
What does he mean by being more democratic? I have been in the | :13:54. | :14:01. | |
Labour Party 25 years and I have not met a member of the Labour Party who | :14:02. | :14:04. | |
does not have strong views on virtually everything. We have more | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
members as well which is fantastic and there is a question about how we | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
run the party and how democracy works within the party, so what say | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
the people have? In policy-making, the decisions... And should members | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
have more say? Yes, there will be a big debate about this over the | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
coming months. The key point is, Jeremy Corbyn is our leader and | :14:28. | :14:30. | |
enormously popular now and he has done very well in terms of the | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
election and that is clear. The slightly different conversation is | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
how do we make sure the party runs as democratically as possible? Were | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
you a fan of Jeremy Corbyn before the election? I did not vote for | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
Jeremy, but he is responsible for my victory, I would say. Election | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
campaign was one of the most extraordinary I have ever seen, | :14:52. | :14:53. | |
having been in the party for many years. The shift was quite tangible | :14:54. | :15:00. | |
in terms of the opinion of everybody that we would talking to and I think | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
the more that we heard from Jeremy and the framing of the debate that | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
was him being so clear about what we wanted rather than Theresa May being | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
so weak was extraordinary and I think he did very well. Do you agree | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
with moves within the party to take the power of electing or selecting | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
the next leader out of the hands of MPs and going | :15:23. | :15:31. | |
We haven't got any proposals on the table yet, we will have a debate at | :15:32. | :15:37. | |
conference. But do you broadly agree with that? I think absolutely the | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
MPs have a huge role to play and the membership has a huge role to play | :15:44. | :15:46. | |
and we need to work out the balance and I don't know what that is. But | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
would you like to see a lower threshold for nominations for | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
leadership candidates? We will be talking about it locally in our | :15:56. | :15:58. | |
general committee this week and we will see where we end up, but as I | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
said everyone in the Labour Party will have a view about this and we | :16:03. | :16:04. | |
will reach some kind of agreement at conference. Your new party chairman | :16:05. | :16:21. | |
said Labour is too broad a church, do you agree with him? I don't think | :16:22. | :16:24. | |
there's any question about that, all of the major political parties are | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
brought a church. We are united, the question is who was in charge of the | :16:28. | :16:30. | |
Conservative Party at the moment, who is running the country and I | :16:31. | :16:32. | |
think those questions are to be answered and much more significant. | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
Did you think you would be in a position as a new MP where Jeremy | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
Corbyn was considered safe and secure in his future but Theresa May | :16:41. | :16:48. | |
less so? I expected the Conservative Party would have a majority and it | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
was obviously a very difficult night for us. It's been a difficult week | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
subsequent to the election for us. I think what we are not hearing is | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
that actually the divisions within the Labour Party are still deep and | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
still quite substantial, in particular around Trident and the | :17:09. | :17:11. | |
economic policy that effectively the hard left leadership wants to pursue | :17:12. | :17:14. | |
which a lot of areas of the Labour Party don't want to pursue. But they | :17:15. | :17:20. | |
do have an agreed policy on Trident, yes Jeremy Corbyn doesn't agree but | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
there is a settled view. But it is a bit odd if your leader doesn't agree | :17:26. | :17:30. | |
with the party policy. He may look safe and secure now but when we | :17:31. | :17:33. | |
start to see these divisions open up I think he will be less so. Do you | :17:34. | :17:47. | |
think mandatory reselection would be a good idea? There's already a | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
process where the committee can... Sure, but mandatory reselection? I | :17:51. | :17:52. | |
think all of these things need to be discussed. We are much larger party | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
than we were, we need to have these conversations but the real question | :17:56. | :17:58. | |
is how we will hold to account a government which is very weak, which | :17:59. | :18:04. | |
is buying votes. Who was running it, we don't know and that's the real | :18:05. | :18:06. | |
issue. The effect of Brexit on Ireland has | :18:07. | :18:08. | |
so far focused on what it might mean for the border | :18:09. | :18:11. | |
between Northern Ireland But in a report out today | :18:12. | :18:13. | |
for the Policy Exchange think-tank, the former Irish ambassador | :18:14. | :18:20. | |
Ray Bassett argues that allowing the EU to negotiate Brexit | :18:21. | :18:22. | |
on Ireland's behalf may be a mistake, and the country | :18:23. | :18:25. | |
should even consider Welcome to the programme. Why are | :18:26. | :18:33. | |
you arguing Ireland should leave the single market and the customs union? | :18:34. | :18:41. | |
Because circumstances have changed. Ireland in general wanted the UK to | :18:42. | :18:48. | |
stay inside the EU but now it has changed and the UK are certainly | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
leaving the EU, and it looks like they are leaving the single market | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
and Customs union, we have to decide whether our best course is to stick | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
with the remaining 26 or to look at the whole issue of maintaining our | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
customs and free trade with the United Kingdom and may be seeking a | :19:07. | :19:13. | |
new arrangement with the rest of the EU. But what is the best course of | :19:14. | :19:20. | |
action for us. But why would Ireland prioritise the UK with a population | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
of 65 million people over 26 member states with almost 500 million | :19:25. | :19:30. | |
people? Because we have much greater connections with the UK. In a poll | :19:31. | :19:38. | |
in Dublin, 56% of people in Ireland polled said they felt the | :19:39. | :19:41. | |
relationship with the UK was more important than its relationship with | :19:42. | :19:49. | |
the rest of Europe. Ireland and Britain have so many connections | :19:50. | :19:52. | |
it's by far the most important bilateral relationship, so we have | :19:53. | :19:55. | |
got to look, if we break that relationship as part of the EU, what | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
do we get on the other side. The EU was moving in a direction that we | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
don't particularly like. 88% of Irish people polled also believe the | :20:08. | :20:15. | |
UK should stay in the European Union, so are you a lone voice? If | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
it came to a choice and there was a hard Brexit most people said they | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
would prefer to see us in an arrangement that didn't break up | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
with the United Kingdom. But why should it break a relationship with | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
Ireland? Ministers have been very keen to stress that relations should | :20:35. | :20:41. | |
remain close with Ireland. Relations should remain closed but if you look | :20:42. | :20:48. | |
at Michel Barnier, their priority with regard to Ireland is that | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
whatever happens with Ireland the outcome must maintain the integrity | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
of the union's legal order, so they are saying there will be customs | :20:58. | :21:07. | |
posts and Ireland will be in the same situation as every other | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
countries. We share the common jurisdiction for hundreds of years. | :21:14. | :21:18. | |
Almost every organisation in Ireland is linked into the UK organisation | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
and we don't know what the final format of Brexit is, but there is a | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
danger the EU would prioritise itself and the maintenance of its | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
integrity over these unique and special relationship between Ireland | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
and Great Britain. But couldn't Ireland benefit from Brexit? It is | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
in the eurozone which has found new confidence if you like following the | :21:43. | :21:49. | |
of Emmanuel Macron. There could be a tightening of the relationships | :21:50. | :21:52. | |
between those countries in the eurozone. Ireland has done well in | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
terms of having one of the lowest corporation rates in the EU whilst | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
still adhering to rules and regulations, so what's not to like | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
for Ireland? You have just touched on it. Emmanuel Macron has picked | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
out Ireland as his target in terms of trying to get a consolidated | :22:11. | :22:17. | |
corporation tax rate, a common tax rate across Europe. There huge | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
pressures coming on Ireland now to raise its tax rate and our biggest | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
ally in doing that along with the Netherlands has been the UK. We will | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
find it difficult to maintain that type of relationship that we had in | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
the past without the UK. OK, Ray Bassett, thank you very much. | :22:36. | :22:38. | |
When an MP speaks for the first time in the Commons after their election | :22:39. | :22:41. | |
It's an opportunity for them to praise their constituency, | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
set out their priorities, and sometimes even raise a smile. | :22:46. | :22:47. | |
Let's have a look at a few of them from recent, | :22:48. | :22:50. | |
It is a very great privilege to be standing here | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
I want to stress that this speech tonight, Mr Deputy Speaker, | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
is not a maiden speech, as I've been specifically instructed | :22:58. | :23:00. | |
by the Speaker that whatever maiden status I may have once possessed | :23:01. | :23:03. | |
It is daunting on these occasions to have members of one's family | :23:04. | :23:13. | |
Worse, I feel, to have them sitting in the chamber. | :23:14. | :23:18. | |
Any increase in aggregate supplementary credit | :23:19. | :23:19. | |
approvals issued will result in an increase in PSBR. | :23:20. | :23:22. | |
We had great generals, like John Churchill, | :23:23. | :23:24. | |
Duke of Marlborough, who was rewarded with | :23:25. | :23:25. | |
Blenheim Palace for his victories in the War of the Spanish | :23:26. | :23:28. | |
As on this side of the House, we settle our own issue | :23:29. | :23:38. | |
of succession, Spanish or otherwise, I can, er... | :23:39. | :23:40. | |
We are now in the ridiculous situation whereby because I am | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
an MP, not only am I the youngest, but I am now also the only 20 year | :23:45. | :23:48. | |
old in the whole of the UK that the Chancellor's prepared | :23:49. | :23:51. | |
When I moved into my new office, on the very first morning | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
I was there, the first telephone call I received, I eagerly | :23:56. | :23:58. | |
picked up the receiver to see who this could be, | :23:59. | :24:00. | |
only to discover that the person on the other end of the line only | :24:01. | :24:03. | |
There is no offsetting effect on PSBR for any notional release | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
The now ageing VC10s which thunder down the runway loaded with fuel | :24:10. | :24:15. | |
for our fighter aircraft are fondly known locally as Prescotts, | :24:16. | :24:17. | |
because they are able to refuel two Jaguars simultaneously. | :24:18. | :24:19. | |
During the campaign, my recognition factor suffered a bit | :24:20. | :24:31. | |
of a setback when one campaign profile mistakenly substituted | :24:32. | :24:33. | |
a picture of me with a photo of a brick wall. | :24:34. | :24:35. | |
We're joined now by the Labour MP Paul Flynn. | :24:36. | :24:47. | |
He's written a book about how to be an MP. | :24:48. | :24:50. | |
Do you remember what you said in your maiden speech? I followed the | :24:51. | :24:57. | |
precept of don't change the speech, change the audience, so I made a | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
speech I have done a hundred times before with a good opening line and | :25:02. | :25:04. | |
a good finishing line and as short a period as possible in between the | :25:05. | :25:11. | |
two. That's when you did yours, would you still give that advice as | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
the main components to new MPs? Yes, you have to stick to the ritual | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
because it's a terrifying experience. They go from the fear, | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
and you longer you put off the hurdle the higher it becomes. You | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
have the fear beforehand and the joy afterwards of having done it. There | :25:30. | :25:32. | |
have been some wonderful maiden speeches over the years. Stephen | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
Pound actually ran down his constituency, couldn't find anything | :25:38. | :25:40. | |
good to say about it except an elephant died their 100 years ago | :25:41. | :25:49. | |
and the elephant was so embarrassed by dying there he crawled over the | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
boundary to do it, a very funny speech. We have seen remarkable | :25:54. | :25:56. | |
maiden speeches of people who have made a great impression. The MP for | :25:57. | :26:02. | |
North West Durham made a very impassioned speech that went on to | :26:03. | :26:10. | |
make a hit on the web as well but it was based on her experience as a | :26:11. | :26:19. | |
worker in the mental health... And the new member of Kensington was | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
brilliant, faced with this awful calamity and she combined that and | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
spoke with great authority, pointing out there are many poor people, poor | :26:28. | :26:38. | |
children in Kensington as there are in Lanark. You have been through it, | :26:39. | :26:47. | |
was it frightening, Bim? Yes it was beforehand, but this is testament to | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
more senior colleagues, people really want you to do well. So you | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
feel they are wanting you to succeed. They laugh at your | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
admittedly not terribly funny jokes and that gives you that confidence | :27:01. | :27:08. | |
which then allows you to go for it. The speaker congratulated you on | :27:09. | :27:11. | |
your maiden speech, I have never heard of it before. Unique, I think. | :27:12. | :27:20. | |
There you go! And what was the main thrust of your speech? I talked | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
about my predecessor, Peter Lilley, the I talked about my constituency | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
and constituents, and the I talked about education and how important it | :27:30. | :27:36. | |
was, important for a 21st-century skill -based economy, then I talked | :27:37. | :27:45. | |
about a just society at the end. I haven't written mine yet, it gets | :27:46. | :27:55. | |
more scary as I go. I have ask two questions and that was scary enough. | :27:56. | :28:02. | |
When do you do it? You write to the speaker and ask, and choose a | :28:03. | :28:08. | |
particular debate. Anything in it that you know you will say already? | :28:09. | :28:14. | |
Education will be a huge part of it and my responsibilities as an MP of | :28:15. | :28:17. | |
course. There's just time before we go | :28:18. | :28:20. | |
to find out the answer to our quiz. MPs are reportedly worried | :28:21. | :28:23. | |
about the Westminster stone. A) The ghost of former | :28:24. | :28:26. | |
Commons clerk 'Simon Stone' b) A mythical rock that | :28:27. | :28:38. | |
brings luck c) The extra weight that new MPs gain | :28:39. | :28:40. | |
or d) The large apricot So, Sarah and Bim, what's | :28:41. | :28:43. | |
the correct answer? C, the extra weight | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
new MPs are said to gain That's all for today. | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
Thanks to our guests. I'll be back with all | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
the big political stories of the day tomorrow, | :28:54. | :28:55. | |
and we're on at the earlier time of 11am again because of Wimbledon - | :28:56. | :28:57. | |
do join me then. | :28:58. | :29:01. |