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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:40. | :00:41. | |
The Chancellor Philip Hammond says the Government must "hold its nerve" | :00:42. | :00:43. | |
in the face of calls for increased public spending. | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
Hundreds of thousands of children are vulnerable, | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
living in families with drinking and drug problems, according to the | :00:51. | :00:52. | |
The President of the European Commission, | :00:53. | :01:03. | |
Jean Claude Juncker, criticises members of the European Parliament | :01:04. | :01:10. | |
as "ridiculous" after they fail to turn up to hear him speak. | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
And what does Emmanuel Macron's decision to stage a big speech | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
in the Palace of Versailles say about the French | :01:17. | :01:18. | |
All that in the next half hour, and with us for the whole | :01:19. | :01:24. | |
of the programme today is the Children's Commissioner | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
Let's kick off with Jean Claude Juncker's outburst in the European | :01:30. | :01:40. | |
The President of the European Commission was in Strasbourg | :01:41. | :01:43. | |
to talk to MEPs, but not many turned up to the meeting. | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
There are only a few members in the plenary | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
TRANSLATION: I would ask you to rephrase that - | :01:50. | :01:56. | |
I will never again attempt a meeting of this kind. | :01:57. | :02:05. | |
Our Europe reporter Adam Fleming is in Strasbourg and joins us now. | :02:06. | :02:12. | |
Jean-Claude Juncker very upset that not many people rocked up to hear | :02:13. | :02:23. | |
him talk. Yes, you have been to Strasbourg before. Many times. Yes, | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
and it is actually much quieter today, the corridors in Strasbourg. | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
Certainly this morning it was. Things have picked up in the last | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
hour or so as MEPs has started coming into the building, and there | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
are various theories about why the chamber was an empty this morning. | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
One MEP said loads of his colleagues have started their seven-week | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
holiday already, and this is the last session of the Strasbourg | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
parliament before the holiday starts, so his theory is lots of | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
people were not turning up at all. Others say the real work of | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
Parliament is done in much lower profile committees and meetings with | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
delegations from other countries, the Council, the commission, and | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
people were in the meeting this morning, right through to a very | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
senior MEP who just told me on the quiet that the reason many people | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
didn't turn up to your this report about how the Maltese six-month | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
presidency of the EU had gone, was because people thought it was one of | :03:22. | :03:24. | |
the worst presidency is on record, so loads of different theories for | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
why the chamber was so empty. I was in there, and there were definitely | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
fewer than 100 people listening to Mr Juncker speak alongside the | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
Maltese Prime Minister, and lots of those people were Mr Juncker's and | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
the Maltese primer Minister's officials. Thank goodness you turned | :03:45. | :03:47. | |
up to swell the ranks in the European Parliament! That was while | :03:48. | :03:54. | |
telling off, wasn't it, from the European Parliament President? -- | :03:55. | :04:03. | |
that was a royal telling off he got from the European Parliament | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
president. Yes, Antonio Tajani told him off for the language he used. It | :04:08. | :04:10. | |
is similar to Westminster in that you are not allowed to use certain | :04:11. | :04:18. | |
bad language, so he got a ticking off, but that didn't stop him. Mr | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
Juncker said he would never come to a session like this again, but | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
whether that means you will never come and sit in the plenary in | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
Strasbourg again, or whether he would never come to a session like | :04:31. | :04:39. | |
that again, it wasn't clear, but he meant what he said. Did some MEPs | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
think that was a threat to Mr Juncker? I think some of them would | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
quite happily not see Mr Juncker again, people like the Eurosceptics, | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
Nigel Farage and his fellow MEPs who have made a career out of dissing | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
him in the chamber. There is also some confusion about the timetabling | :04:59. | :05:04. | |
for what is happening in this Strasbourg session because some of | :05:05. | :05:06. | |
the timetabling for what is happening tomorrow, on the last | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
European summit and the Brexit negotiations, that has been | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
cancelled so a lot of MEPs and figures can head off to France for | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
the funeral of Simone Veil, one of the first presidents of the European | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
Parliament, so there is some confusion about what is happening in | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
Strasbourg as well. We will leave it there, but it is a bit dispiriting | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
if nobody turns up to see you talk, isn't it? I am finding it difficult | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
not to be a bit smug year because the last time I spoke lots turned up | :05:40. | :05:45. | |
to me. But never is a long time. Yes, let's see if he sticks to that. | :05:46. | :05:47. | |
And the Department for Culture, Media and Sport has rebranded, | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
Is it: A - the Ministry of Fun, B - the Ministry of Zeitgeist, | :05:53. | :06:05. | |
C - the Department for National Heritage, or D - DCMS? | :06:06. | :06:07. | |
At the end of the show Anne will hopefully give | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
Since the election the Government has been petitioned to "end | :06:11. | :06:18. | |
austerity" and boost public spending. | :06:19. | :06:20. | |
On public spending, the Queen's Speech left many | :06:21. | :06:21. | |
questions unanswered, although the Chancellor emphasised | :06:22. | :06:23. | |
the Government is still intent on eliminating the deficit | :06:24. | :06:25. | |
But ahead of the Autumn Budget, several Cabinet ministers are said | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
to be ready to argue with the Treasury about why | :06:30. | :06:31. | |
Public sector pay is in the headlines at the moment. | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
Boris Johnson being one of the leading Cabinet members | :06:37. | :06:38. | |
calling for a scrapping of the 1% cap. | :06:39. | :06:40. | |
Education Secretary Justine Greening is understood to be lobbying hard | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
for more cash as pressure grows on the schools budget. | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
The NHS always needs more money, and Jeremy Hunt will be keen to | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
do what he can to avoid a future winter care crisis. | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
And of course, related to this is the funding of social care. | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
In the last budget the Government pledged some more cash, | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
but as the Conservatives have had to ditch their controversial plans | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
to make people pay using their homes the pressure to find a solution | :07:06. | :07:08. | |
Theresa May came under fire during the last election campaign | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
for cuts to policing, with London's Met Police | :07:14. | :07:22. | |
Commissioner Cressida Dick saying that they're stretched, | :07:23. | :07:24. | |
and just today the Local Government Association has said that | :07:25. | :07:26. | |
if austerity is coming to an end, they should be at the | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
However, speaking to the CBI last night | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
Philip Hammond indicated he was in no mood to relax | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
the Government's austerity measures, saying, "We must hold our nerve." | :07:36. | :07:37. | |
Speaking on the Today Programme this morning the former | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
Conservative Chancellor Nigel Lawson supported Mr Hammond. | :07:42. | :07:43. | |
It's not easy to pursue financial discipline, it never is. | :07:44. | :07:55. | |
Neither tax rate increases are popular, nor are a firm hand | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
on public expenditure - although there are always has to be | :08:00. | :08:01. | |
That is not easy and popular, but it's necessary, and I think | :08:02. | :08:08. | |
people understand we need to pay our way, and indeed | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
that is the road to economic success which will improve living | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
We've been joined by the Conservative MP Oliver Letwin, | :08:14. | :08:22. | |
and by Labour's campaign chief, Andrew Gwynne. | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
Welcome to both of you. Is it right that senior Conservatives are on the | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
airwaves fighting like ferrets in a sack over public sector pay? What | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
happened to collective responsibility? Think it is natural | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
there is a conversation going on about how to deal with the reality | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
going on on the doorsteps. The public now wants to see some | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
increases in spending on key public services, social care, the NHS, | :08:47. | :08:52. | |
schools, you went through them. And there is therefore a serious issue | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
about how to reconcile that with deficit reduction. I am on the side | :08:56. | :09:02. | |
that believes, as Philip Hammond was saying earlier today and Nigel | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
Lawson was saying, we do need to retain deficit reduction and | :09:06. | :09:08. | |
therefore I think we need to see some moderate tax increases. I don't | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
think we can go on the spending binge Jeremy Corbyn and his team | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
have laid out. But should there be this public disagreement and spat | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
over a key area of policy within government amongst those running the | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
Government? It is actually a serious conversation about what we should | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
do, interesting that the media calls it a spat. I think it is perfectly | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
reasonable to have that conversation but at a certain stage a decision | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
needs to be made and I think that should be done in a proper and | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
considered way as part of a package by Philip Hammond in his autumn | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
budget and by then we will know where we are. On the pay cap, you | :09:44. | :09:46. | |
said you think deficit reduction should continue, and people would | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
agree with that, do you think that pay cap for public sector workers | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
should be lifted? I think we need to pay some serious attention to what | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
the review body says. There is a process here and they go through | :09:59. | :10:07. | |
where he is, and when we began this whole thing public sector pay was | :10:08. | :10:10. | |
well above the private sector in a couple of places and no it is not. | :10:11. | :10:13. | |
The review body is there and we should listen to what they have to | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
say. It sounds like they will do what the review body says. Is that | :10:17. | :10:18. | |
enough for you, Andrew Gwynne? I take no delight at the fact that we | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
know have senior Conservatives at Cabinet level running the charge of | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
anti-austerity. The point is in the election people sent out a very | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
clear message, that they have been hurting for a long period of time, | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
that public sector pay has not kept up with private sector pay. Nurses, | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
for example, have lost on average 14% of the value of their salary. | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
And when did that happen, Andrew Gwynne? Wendy public sector pay fall | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
behind private sector pay? In the course of the previous two | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
Parliaments, and the point is... Not broadly speaking. The grass show at | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
the time of the crash private sector pay was behind public sector pay and | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
to some extent the pay restraint equalled that out, and now | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
relatively recently in the last year or so it looks as if public sector | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
pay is now following behind private sector pay, just | :11:12. | :11:23. | |
to be clear, so not over the course of the two parliaments. The point is | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
it is collective, isn't it? Over the course of the two Parliament you | :11:28. | :11:30. | |
have had wage restraint in the public sector, over those seven | :11:31. | :11:32. | |
years when the coalition and the Conservatives single-A have been in | :11:33. | :11:34. | |
power, which has now led to the issue we are discussing, and I think | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
it is only right that teachers, nurses, police officers, the Armed | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
Forces, that they get a pay rise. And don't they deserve that, Oliver | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
Letwin, for the work they do? The cost of living is rising, as | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
inflation hits 2.9%, so that pay restraint is even tougher for these | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
people. They deserve a decent pay rise. As I was saying, there is a | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
properly constituted process for this. It is not the sort of amateur | :12:00. | :12:06. | |
things were one politician makes an argument, I make an ardent, but it | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
is not just a matter for politicians. There are serious | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
issues here, like can you recruit... Of course there is a process but | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
they want to know who is supporting them. We need to know, for example, | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
are we failing to attract enough nurses? There is clearly a problem | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
with recruitment, and how much is that to do with pay and how much | :12:26. | :12:28. | |
with other things? That is something the public sector pay body is there | :12:29. | :12:35. | |
to decide, and as you said it is really in the last year or two it | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
has gone one way rather than the other, so it is good to get them to | :12:39. | :12:41. | |
do their work, look at it, then have a package and a budget to deal with | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
it. Let's look at how you would pay for it. Labour said during the | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
election campaign you would like to see a 2% rise on top of the 1% that | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
at the moment is capped, is that broadly right? In your words it | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
would cost about ?4 billion a year? Yes. How would you pay for a? In the | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
manifesto we set out alongside that the changes we would seek to | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
taxation, capital gains tax, corporation tax, taxing the top 5% | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
of incomes, that was set out. Of course Philip Hammond has now got | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
the real headache. If all these senior ministers are demanding an | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
end to austerity and it is not just public sector pay, but more money | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
for schools, local government, this, that and the other, and he already | :13:26. | :13:31. | |
has ?2 billion black hole from the U-turn on national insurance | :13:32. | :13:33. | |
contributions he had to make in his spring budget so he has a big | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
problem coming in the autumn budget, if he is going to have to find the | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
magic money tree that you said doesn't exist. What is he going to | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
do? He will have to look at, as you mentioned, tax rises, or spending | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
cuts. You think it should be tax rises? Yes, I think we will need to | :13:52. | :13:55. | |
see some modest tax rises to achieve that because we need to continue I | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
think with the deficit reduction programme. The big difference | :13:59. | :14:01. | |
between the two parties now is not whether there is a need for some | :14:02. | :14:04. | |
extra spending in key services, although there may be different | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
amounts and emphasis. The real argument is are you going to borrow | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
your way out of this and ditch the whole effort to reduce the deficit? | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
I don't think that would be wise. We want to be protected against when | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
the next downturn comes and need to get a balanced budgets are therefore | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
if we want to spend more we need to raise them. Does that mean the tax | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
cuts that had been announced but not yet implemented, are those now | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
vulnerable? I am talking about raising the personal tax allowance | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
promised, raising the threshold when you start paying the higher rate of | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
tax? Are those now vulnerable? I am not the Chancellor of the Exchequer. | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
The Chancellor of the Exchequer in the budget has these judgments to | :14:46. | :14:48. | |
make. I agree with you that it is difficult, these judgments, but it | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
ought to be made as an overall compute package and not have, you | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
know, on news programmes, speaking way in advance about which | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
programmes... You say you are in favour of ministers discussing in | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
public... Not about the detail. But broadly speaking, yes, I understand | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
that, but as a package would you like to see that as part of the | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
discussion, those two issues? I would like to see the Chancellor | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
have an overall package good for business, individuals and | :15:19. | :15:36. | |
which delivers extra spending for key services. That is not an easy | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
question to solve and I am not going to make his life more difficult by | :15:41. | :15:43. | |
trying to solve it here on the Daily Politics programme. I am not | :15:44. | :15:45. | |
equipped... I am sure you are equipped but you're just being very | :15:46. | :15:47. | |
reticent. Andrew Gwynne, can you give an example where Labour is | :15:48. | :15:49. | |
willing to say no to more spending? There are some things we would | :15:50. | :15:59. | |
prioritise like ending the bedroom tax and making sure some of the | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
sanction regime was scrapped. Jeremy Corbyn there that will benefit | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
should be unfrozen, did he mean that? You know that all the chatter | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
that then surrounded and all of that... We came back and we said no | :16:13. | :16:18. | |
summer we will have to look at that at some future stage but it is not | :16:19. | :16:21. | |
part of our costed programme. You were the one who listed the people | :16:22. | :16:28. | |
who were asking for pay rises. Would you say yes to all of them? To the | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
local government Association who now wants and perhaps justifiably, more | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
money for councils because they saw perhaps the biggest brunt of cuts | :16:39. | :16:41. | |
falling on local government, would you say yes to more spending for | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
them? That was part of our manifesto, we did commit to an extra | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
?1.5 billion for local councils because the local government | :16:50. | :16:52. | |
information unit into server they have done, their members have shown | :16:53. | :16:59. | |
that three quarters of councils are fearful for their financial future, | :17:00. | :17:03. | |
to be able to provide basic legal services. We have said ?1.5 billion, | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
fully costed... Yes to more spending so there is there a concrete example | :17:09. | :17:14. | |
where you will say to a group of people, we can't afford a pay rise | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
for you ought we are not good to spend more money? Absolutely and our | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
manifesto set out what our priorities were. What were they? | :17:23. | :17:29. | |
Give me one example. I had giving an example, ?1.5 for local government, | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
?8 billion extra for social care. But where have you said no to more | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
spending? The point is we have set out what our spending plans are in | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
the manifesto, there are a lot of other things that are not in the | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
manifesto because we have said no. What are they? I'm not going to list | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
everything that is not in our manifesto. One might think it is | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
because you can't. When you view this discussion from the outside, do | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
you think it is right to get a pay rise over and above 1% broadly, | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
there are other examples of people getting more already, to public | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
sector workers? I get paid out of the public purse and I'm not | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
advocating for me but when I talk to police officers dealing with gangs, | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
teachers in some of the toughest areas and nurses as well, what I | :18:20. | :18:22. | |
have been surprised about is they are saying they can expect to work | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
in those jobs for ten years. I had not anticipated that would be the | :18:29. | :18:31. | |
case and they say it is because the work is tough and we do recognise | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
that and we need to make it something that incentivises people | :18:36. | :18:38. | |
do not just go there in the first place and trained but actually | :18:39. | :18:41. | |
stayed there in the long term. I know you don't want to predict what | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
will happen in the Autumn Statement and Phillip Hammond has said he is | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
not death, do you think he is under pressure and pressure he will fight | :18:51. | :18:57. | |
hard to resist? He is a very serious Chancellor and he is aware like the | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
rest of us of two necessities, as we see it in the Conservative Party. | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
One is to do something about the key public services and also to continue | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
with deficit reduction. I know that will not be agreed by Mr Corbyn who | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
wants a borrowing splurge but that is a position that I think many | :19:16. | :19:19. | |
people in this country support and Philip it exactly the manse to see | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
through a package that will do that. Theresa May has reportedly asked the | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
Lib Dems for help getting bills passed. Have you heard this and are | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
you working with them? I'm not charged with doing anything now. My | :19:32. | :19:38. | |
view is that in Parliament is sensible to cooperate with anybody | :19:39. | :19:41. | |
and everybody to get the right legislation through. Thank you. | :19:42. | :19:43. | |
Young people get a number of personal freedoms | :19:44. | :19:45. | |
But there's an argument that the laws relating | :19:46. | :19:47. | |
Jenny Kumah's been looking into them. | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
At 16, you're old enough to legally consent to sex, | :19:53. | :19:54. | |
but you're not old enough to get married without your | :19:55. | :19:57. | |
You can only do that once you turn 18 - | :19:58. | :20:04. | |
unless you're in Scotland, where 16-year-olds can freely marry. | :20:05. | :20:06. | |
So even if you do get married at 16, it would be illegal | :20:07. | :20:12. | |
for you to celebrate by buying a drink. | :20:13. | :20:13. | |
That's because the minimum age that you can buy alcohol | :20:14. | :20:16. | |
But it's not illegal for an adult to buy a child aged 16 or over beer, | :20:17. | :20:27. | |
wine or cider if they're eating a meal together in a licensed venue. | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
It's also not illegal for children aged between five and 16 | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
to drink alcohol at home or on private property. | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
At 16 you can legally have sex, you can possibly get married, | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
but sexting laws mean that if you and your spouse share sexual | :20:44. | :20:46. | |
images of yourselves on your phone or on social media, | :20:47. | :20:49. | |
But once you turn 18, that kind of behaviour isn't illegal. | :20:50. | :20:57. | |
In England, Wales and Northern Ireland you can't be arrested | :20:58. | :21:00. | |
or charged with a crime if you're under ten, but in Scotland | :21:01. | :21:03. | |
the age of criminal responsibility is eight - | :21:04. | :21:05. | |
Is there a case to unify the ages when you can legally start doing all | :21:06. | :21:19. | |
these things? I think what that shows is this massive complexity, | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
this is something which has grown up historically over time and there has | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
not been a clear view and unsurprisingly most children and | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
parents are at sea with what it means. Some unification of that, it | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
does not mean everything has to be the same age but some thought behind | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
it and some simplification would be welcome. Talking about the report | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
into childhood vulnerability, the figures were quite shocking to me, | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
670,000 children in England grow up in high risk family situations. They | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
are huge but also probably an underestimation because we have been | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
very cautious in those figures. Looking at children growing up with | :21:57. | :22:00. | |
families who may be misusing alcohol, there could be a figure | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
that could be nearly a million. We have chosen one where they are | :22:05. | :22:07. | |
getting treatment which is less than 20,000. They are very significant | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
and stark but actually we know they are many more. What do you mean by | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
vulnerable? There must be a wide variation in these situations. These | :22:18. | :22:19. | |
are children who are the odds stacked against them, difficulties | :22:20. | :22:22. | |
in succeeding because of the negative aspects in their lives. | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
Part of the reason for doing this, if you ask anybody in government any | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
minister or specialist, how they define vulnerable, they will come up | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
with a different answer and no one at the moment can define how many | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
they are or what it means. Everybody is floundering, they know we are | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
kind to help vulnerable children but nobody can agree on what they are. | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
This is attempting the ones to put a suggestion in place that actually | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
unifies what vulnerable means and start counting how many there are. | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
It is an extent people will say that is just process, having a | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
definition... But important process. How important is it in terms of | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
helping people? At the moment anybody who looks at vulnerability | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
will be looking at it through the eyes of web-based .com at the Home | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
Office it is kids who come into contact with the law, and health it | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
is keen to turn up at A but children are not simple like this, | :23:18. | :23:23. | |
these more durable -- of these are multiple vulnerabilities. Until we | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
do this we cannot work at the size of the job or how to solve it. There | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
is a big question about taking note and taking advice and action to make | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
this a priority. If this problem getting worse if this is the first | :23:37. | :23:41. | |
done you feel you are confident about the data, we don't know how it | :23:42. | :23:44. | |
stands in comparison? People will be able to say it is getting worse from | :23:45. | :23:48. | |
their experience but the honest answer is that we simply don't know | :23:49. | :23:51. | |
because this is the first time that has been done. In a year I hope to | :23:52. | :23:54. | |
be able to come back and tell you that but part of the difficulty is | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
we don't know. How much power do you actually have to efforts to change? | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
I can't make people do that but there is a lot of work I can bring | :24:04. | :24:08. | |
to bear. I can collect data, this is publicly available, and I can now go | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
on and fill those gaps and bring people together and really put | :24:13. | :24:15. | |
forward very robust and I hope irresistible arguments that cannot | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
be resisted. I can work across Parliament and ultimately | :24:22. | :24:24. | |
responsible to Parliament and kids themselves. There are big asks here | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
but also a great way to the people behind who I think can help make | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
this happen. I want consent to drive this story. Thank you. | :24:34. | :24:35. | |
Yesterday the French president, Emmanuel Macron, chose the grand | :24:36. | :24:37. | |
backdrop of the Palace of Versailles for a set-piece speech | :24:38. | :24:40. | |
in which he said it was his mission to reform France. | :24:41. | :24:42. | |
His decision to summon parliamentarians to Versailles | :24:43. | :24:44. | |
sparked a backlash, with some leftwing politicians | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
boycotting the speech, accusing Macron of acting | :24:50. | :24:50. | |
So does the choice of setting for a big political speech make | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
Faire a l'homme, en fin, un pays digne de lui. | :24:56. | :25:09. | |
It is great to be here in free Benghazi and in free Libya. | :25:10. | :25:27. | |
If anybody asks if President Kennedy's words ring true today, | :25:28. | :25:34. | |
For here they will find people who emerged from the ruins of war | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
We're going to build a wall, folks, don't worry. | :25:40. | :26:06. | |
Memorable speeches in memorable venues. | :26:07. | :26:19. | |
We've been joined by the French political journalist Marie le Conte. | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
What does it say about Emmanuel Macron's presidency and his | :26:24. | :26:31. | |
ambitions by holding this big speech in the site? It is actually quite | :26:32. | :26:38. | |
amusing comedy is a person French president to go to the site to talk | :26:39. | :26:41. | |
to the National Assembly and the Senate. And also it is such a strong | :26:42. | :26:49. | |
message. Louis XIV famously built Versailles so he could have the | :26:50. | :26:52. | |
nobility close to him and keep an eye on them and the message is, I'm | :26:53. | :26:58. | |
now in charge, this is it. We have to go beyond the two main parties | :26:59. | :27:05. | |
which I'd effectively destroyed! But is there an irony that he has chosen | :27:06. | :27:12. | |
the grandeur and this sumptuous palace to talk about renewal and | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
bridging the gap between rich and poor? Definitely and the French | :27:18. | :27:24. | |
press had a field day with it. Yesterday Liberation had a painting | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
of him half naked as Zeus throwing thunder! It will be interesting to | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
watch because on the one hand he is drunk to have those sweeping reforms | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
and change the country but he clearly has that ego -- he is | :27:39. | :27:46. | |
attempting those sweeping reforms. He is using all those iconic | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
locations but do you think he will succeed? I don't know, I think there | :27:52. | :27:58. | |
is a fine line between trying to become like a liberal strongman and | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
doing that and ending up looking a bit silly. And it is part of the | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
idea as well, abstention was so high in the second round of the | :28:09. | :28:11. | |
parliament the election, he got elected and his party got elected | :28:12. | :28:18. | |
but I think with only like 40 French -- 43% of people. This idea that | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
it's all fine, I'm definitely president! Were you impressed? We | :28:23. | :28:31. | |
love the buildings but Mike counterpart in France talks about | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
children come back to Calais. We have got to race through the quiz. | :28:36. | :28:37. | |
Do you know what the new name is? But the department will not be | :28:38. | :28:43. | |
changing the logo as it It's already costing around | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
?3,000 for the rebrand. Thanks to all our guests, | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
especially Anne. I'll be back at 11.30am tomorrow | :28:50. | :28:51. | |
with Andrew for live coverage | :28:52. | :28:55. |