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Morning, folks, welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
The Grenfell Tower disaster looks set to loom large again today, | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
as we reach the Prime Minister's own deadline for offering | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
But are Labour MPs right to call for the head | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
Theresa May has to umpire the argument in the Conservative | :00:52. | :00:58. | |
Party over public sector pay, but does she have the authority | :00:59. | :01:00. | |
Grenfell and austerity are both subjects likely to come up | :01:01. | :01:08. | |
when Theresa May faces Jeremy Corbyn at Prime Minister's Questions, | :01:09. | :01:14. | |
we'll have all the extended action live at noon. | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
Yes, I wouldn't argue that that is strictly accurate, no doubt | :01:20. | :01:26. | |
complimentary and it sounds like a car advert. | :01:27. | :01:28. | |
We'll be looking at the Conservative MP who's become an unlikely | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
All that in the next 90 minutes of public service broadcasting | :01:33. | :01:40. | |
so good you won't even think about turning over | :01:41. | :01:42. | |
Is Wimbledon on the other channel? I think so. Very well. Bye, bye. | :01:43. | :01:52. | |
We're trusting you to make the right decision. | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
And speaking of being second choice, we're joined today | :01:55. | :02:10. | |
by Westminster's answer to Henman and Rusedski, | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
minister Steve Baker, and shadow health secretary | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
So PMQs is just half an hour away, and we're expecting the Prime | :02:16. | :02:21. | |
Minister to be asked about the response to the Grenfell | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
Today marks the deadline she gave for ensuring all those affected | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
are found a new home, and officials say all survivors | :02:28. | :02:29. | |
of the fire who want to be rehoused have been offered temporary | :02:30. | :02:32. | |
accommodation, although many are still in hotels. | :02:33. | :02:44. | |
The Government has also said it will send in a taskforce to take | :02:45. | :02:47. | |
over parts of Kensington and Chelsea Council, | :02:48. | :02:48. | |
which has been widely criticised for its response. | :02:49. | :02:50. | |
There have also been calls at Westminster for the judge leading | :02:51. | :02:53. | |
the inquiry into the fire, he's called Sir Martin | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
Labour MP for Tottenham, David Lammy, said Sir Martin | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
Moore-Bick was "a white, upper middle class man who I suspect | :03:00. | :03:02. | |
has never visited a tower block housing estate" and should "never | :03:03. | :03:04. | |
Yesterday Emma Dent Coad, the new Labour MP for Kensington, | :03:05. | :03:19. | |
called the judge "a technocrat" who lacks "credibility" and said | :03:20. | :03:21. | |
he should be replaced by "somebody who can understand human beings." | :03:22. | :03:24. | |
Chris Williamson, Labour's shadow fire services minister | :03:25. | :03:26. | |
said he had been shown, in previous court cases to "err | :03:27. | :03:28. | |
on the side of the establishment rather than on the side of ordinary | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
people" and should be replaced by "a more appropriate" judge. | :03:32. | :03:45. | |
So what do you think? A technocrat, lacks credibility, somebody with a | :03:46. | :03:54. | |
human face is needed. What say you? I would say that he should carry on | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
with the inquiry. He should be allowed to get on with it. There are | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
clearly concerns from people in the local area and I hope he can move | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
quickly to allay their concerns, involve them. The residents' groups | :04:11. | :04:13. | |
have made some suggestions about having a panel to work alongside | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
him. I hope those suggestions can be taken on board. The key thing now is | :04:17. | :04:22. | |
not to personalise it around him. The key thing is that the inquiry, | :04:23. | :04:30. | |
that we get on with it and it is a wider inquiry, looking at all the | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
issues. Local MPs, I understand why they would speak out in very | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
passionate terms, given what has happened in the area that they | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
represent. But I think the key thing now is we let him get on with it. | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
Chris Williamson, the shadow fire minister is not a local MP, he is on | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
the Labour front bench. What is it with some of your colleagues? Is | :04:52. | :04:58. | |
this a class thing? Do they think a judge, wept to Cambridge, | :04:59. | :05:00. | |
double-barrelled name, sort of accent that most High Court judges | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
in this country have, do they think he just doesn't understand areas and | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
the people of Grenfell Tower? I guess that's some of it. I'm from a | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
working class background. I don't necessarily have a problem with him. | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
The challenge for him is when he does Is inquiry is that he | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
demonstrates he knows the concerns of the people of the area and when | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
he comes up with proper, meaty conclusions but I think the key | :05:27. | :05:32. | |
thing is to let him get on with it and not personalise it around him. I | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
don't think that would do justice to anyone. The significance is not that | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
although one of your shadow ministers has called for him to go, | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
and the local MP, but Mr Corbyn isn't calling for his resignation? | :05:48. | :05:50. | |
Jeremy is not. Jeremy quite rightly raised concerns and spoken on behalf | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
of the residents and taken up some of their points about having an | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
expert panel and wanting greater involvement and for the inquiry to | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
be wide enough to look at the broader issues around social | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
housing. You have to be careful not to make it so wide that it is 2025 | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
before it reports. Quite. You can do inquiries in different ways. You can | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
have an initial report that looks at the precivic circumstances of the | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
fire and a wider report that looks at the broader issues, which I think | :06:21. | :06:27. | |
is the point that Jeremy has been making in recent days. | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
It would seem that your front bench, you are almost as dysfunctional as | :06:31. | :06:33. | |
the Tories with different views coming out from everywhere. | :06:34. | :06:35. | |
Collective Cabinet and Shadow Cabinet collective be responsibility | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
is a rare breed? I have read the Foreign Secretary saying one thing | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
and the Environment Secretary. You are making my point. You lot are | :06:44. | :06:50. | |
doing the same. If I may, I think this is far too important to be used | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
as a political football. I welcome what Jonathan has said. I would | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
agree with Jonathan that he should be able to get on with it. We are | :07:01. | :07:07. | |
consulting the terms of reference of the inquiry and it is right that he | :07:08. | :07:13. | |
should be allowed to get on. I want him to succeed and as quickly as | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
possible. Meanwhile the Prime Minister's promise that all those | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
affected should be rehoused has not been met in the spirit of what we | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
thought the Prime Minister meant. Some have accepted some | :07:26. | :07:27. | |
accommodation and many have been offered homes in towers, which could | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
be frightening or didn't have enough rooms for their families. The Prime | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
Minister has already apologised earlier for the response. It doesn't | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
seem to be getting much better. Well to see the tower is to understand | :07:37. | :07:43. | |
we've had a catastrophe of a kind we could never have foreseen and we | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
know people have been through hell. It would be wrong to force them out | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
of hotels and into temporary accommodation. I don't think anybody | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
is suggesting that. We are suggesting they are offered an | :07:57. | :07:58. | |
accommodation that given the terrible ordeal they have been | :07:59. | :08:01. | |
through, They would feel comfortable N they would be able to have their | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
families with them. Comfortable in. That is what we want to do. We don't | :08:05. | :08:12. | |
want people to be forced to move twice when it is not what they want | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
to do. There is new housing coming online, including the Barclay homes | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
low rise that will become available. If people want to avoid going into | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
temporary accommodation and going straight into a permanent home we | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
want to work with them at their pace to put them in the right home. The | :08:32. | :08:38. | |
money is vale and we're committed to do the right things as we accepted | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
the initial response was not good enough. Your Government has put in a | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
task force to take over housing, community relations, regeneration | :08:49. | :08:50. | |
and various other things, all of which was an implicit criticism of | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
how the council has handled Grenfell Tower. But it hasn't had the guts | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
just to put in commissioners and take over from the council. We have | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
recognised the initial response was not good enough but we need to | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
correct the problems, recognising it is not likely any council could've | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
coped with a disaster on this scale, which is why we made the | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
announcements we did about civil disaster response in the Queen's | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
Speech but we also do need to try and preserve democracy. I think it | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
is right we should continue to have a council but given right help... | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
Without much power where it matters. It is right they should be helped to | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
cope with an extraordinary, devastating disaster of a category | :09:34. | :09:35. | |
we never would have expected. Would you put in commissioners? I think we | :09:36. | :09:41. | |
need to now. Politicians should not easily come to these decisions | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
overriding local democracy but in these circumstances, the council and | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
council leadership has failed and radical action like that is needed | :09:48. | :09:48. | |
now. All right. Thank you both. | :09:49. | :09:49. | |
Our Guest of the Day, Steve Baker, is now a minister | :09:50. | :09:49. | |
at the Brexit department, and as a backbencher | :09:50. | :09:50. | |
He's even been described as one of the five people who made | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
Let's have a look at him speaking about the EU at an event in 2010. | :09:55. | :10:12. | |
I think the European Union needs to be wholly torn down. | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
The thing is, of course, that is actually impractical, | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
unless the whole people of Europe can be persuaded to rise up and vote | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
for politicians who are prepared, in a moderate and consistent | :10:23. | :10:24. | |
and principled and gentle way, to say that the European Union | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
project has merely succeeded in raising economic nationalism | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
It was to defeat economic nationalism. | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
It is therefore a failure in its own terms and if we wish | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
to devolve power to the lowest possible level, make it accountable | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
and move on into a free society, then it's clearly incompatible. | :10:42. | :10:47. | |
Steve Baker that was you in 2010 saying you think the EU should be | :10:48. | :10:55. | |
wholly torn down. Do you still think that? What I said in that speech, as | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
you heard, that it was a matter for the electors of Europe. It is a | :11:02. | :11:08. | |
matter for the electors of Europe. A lot of time have passed in seven | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
years and many things have happened. One of the things we have seen which | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
I'm grateful for is the electors of Europe have rejected the nationalist | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
politicians who are Europe sceptics on the contin and the I'm glad | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
they've. They've chosen to solve the problems by further incompetent | :11:29. | :11:30. | |
gracing, for example by electing President Macron. Our duty now is to | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
negotiate in good faith in our mutual interests to help the | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
European Union succeed and have a deep and special partnership in our | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
interests. Do you still think the EU should be torn down? What I think we | :11:44. | :11:49. | |
need is the European Union to succeed in the interests of all of | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
its people. What I said in that speech was I wanted free trade, | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
peace, dispersed political power and democracy. I don't think those | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
watching this programme will think they are controversial demands. But | :12:00. | :12:02. | |
thousand do I they can't happen with the EU as it is, you also said it | :12:03. | :12:11. | |
was an obstacle to world peace and incompatible with a free society N | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
what Wasilewski or is it an obstacle to world peace? The point I was | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
making there is when you recognise that economic nationalism causes | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
conflict, for me it is a bad idea to raise that nationalism to a | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
continental scale of the the point is we are where we are, the European | :12:30. | :12:36. | |
Union needs to change, Jean-Claude Juncker has said it is an | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
exsitential crisis. He has recently - I think today it was reported - he | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
has told the European Parliament it is ridiculous and threatened to | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
boycott it. He said that because no-one turned up to hear him speak | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
in the European Union Parliament. He was with the Maltese President and | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
they are holding the presidency. If you think the EU is an obstacle to | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
world peace, were you saying countries like France and Germany | :13:06. | :13:07. | |
were object if obstacle to world peace? Well I was saying that they | :13:08. | :13:14. | |
have to... You want it to collapse. It is not in the interests of half a | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
billion people who live in the European Union. We need to ensure | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
that the mistakes which undoubtedly have been made, with, for example, | :13:23. | :13:25. | |
the eurozone, have the opportunity to be corrected, so that all of us | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
who share common values in Europe are able it go forward in prosperity | :13:30. | :13:35. | |
together. You have tallen into line with what Theresa May has said, she | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
wants the EU to be strong and successful and David Davis your boss | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
is determined to build a strong and special partnership between | :13:45. | :13:46. | |
ourselves and our European Allies, you are now of course a minister and | :13:47. | :13:54. | |
agree. Yes, I do. Seven years sore a long time in politics. Well, you | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
could transform the EU in seven years if you thought it was an | :14:01. | :14:06. | |
obstacle to world peace and it is no longer is, it is a miraculous turn | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
around. I have a concern that it causes conflict. I want the European | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
Union to be more Liberal, have more power dispersed under democratic | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
control to reform, in other words, happily people agree with me because | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
you will know that this is a white paper in Europe on European reform | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
and people will look at to how it should change and return to nation | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
states. I'm sure they are listening and people might say that | :14:33. | :14:35. | |
embarrassing that those comments might have been, take your point it | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
was seven years ago but could it risk the ability to secure good | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
Brexit terms when you have made the comments about nation states as part | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
of the EU? Not at all. I'm fully committed to the position the | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
Government has set out to deliver a successful relationship which we | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
believe we can achieve and I'm looking forward to doing it in the | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
interests of not only the UK. But Europe. And you must be pleased that | :15:03. | :15:09. | |
that Emmanuel Macron think it is can be rejuvenated, and anp opportunity | :15:10. | :15:12. | |
to be liberated without Britain, to go ahead without the veto constantly | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
by the UK. It is an extremely good point and one of the reasons why we | :15:18. | :15:23. | |
needed to come out. We were an impediment to them doing what is | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
necessary to rescue the economy of the eurozone. I repeat what I said - | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
I want free trade, peace, prosperity, dispersed power. We all | :15:33. | :15:35. | |
want those. I'm delightful to discover they are not controversial | :15:36. | :15:38. | |
comments. We want it make sure the European Union has the best possible | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
chance of succeeding for the people within it. We are where we are and | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
that will mean a degree of fiscal centralisation to make it work. | :15:49. | :15:55. | |
Dominic Cummings said that he thought that the Brexit vote could | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
have been an error? We have not always agreed and I do not agree on | :16:01. | :16:01. | |
this occasion. The debate within the Conservative | :16:02. | :16:02. | |
Party over austerity and public sector pay continues, | :16:03. | :16:05. | |
we might well hear more about it at And now former Prime Minister, | :16:06. | :16:07. | |
David Cameron, has weighed in, saying giving up on sound | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
finances is "selfish". So who has said what on this tricky | :16:13. | :16:20. | |
question for the Government? JoCo has the Wimbledon-themed | :16:21. | :16:23. | |
details. I haven't got the racket, | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
unfortunately! Yes, the Prime Minister has had | :16:29. | :16:31. | |
a tough job umpiring her party But perhaps she served up the idea | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
of a change of policy at the Queen's speech, | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
when she said the Government would "reflect on the message voters | :16:39. | :16:40. | |
sent" at the election. Her Chancellor Philip Hammond agreed | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
with her saying we are "not deaf" and he could see that the public | :16:44. | :16:45. | |
want an end to the "long Mrs May has then seen | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
a prolonged rally between The Foreign Secretary, | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
Boris Johnson, "strongly believes" that a public sector pay rise can be | :16:54. | :16:59. | |
done in a "responsible way" and The Environment Secretary, | :17:00. | :17:02. | |
Michael Gove, said the Government has "got to listen" to the pay | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
review bodies, and that he did not believe that taxes would have | :17:09. | :17:14. | |
to be increased to pay It's thought that Education | :17:15. | :17:17. | |
Secretary, Justine Greening, and Health Secretary, | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
Jeremy Hunt, have also appealed for more money | :17:23. | :17:24. | |
for teachers and health workers. But there have been some | :17:25. | :17:26. | |
return serves from those Greg Hands, International Trade | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
Minister, said, "There's no change We must live within our means | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
and that is the right thing to do." On Tuesday evening the Chancellor | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
said the Government And keen tennis player | :17:40. | :17:41. | |
and former PM, David Cameron, said yesterday that "giving up | :17:42. | :17:49. | |
on sound finances isn't being generous, it's being selfish, | :17:50. | :17:53. | |
spending money today That's as clear as mud! So, Steve | :17:54. | :18:09. | |
Baker, which of these positions most accurately described the government | :18:10. | :18:12. | |
position on public sector pay? You strongly believe our rights can be | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
given in a responsible way, Boris Johnson, that's something you could | :18:18. | :18:20. | |
have to consider, Michael Fallon, too soon to let borrowing up, David | :18:21. | :18:26. | |
Cameron, it would be a mistake to end the pay cap, Ken Clarke, which | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
is it? The correct position is that the pay review bodies will make | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
their report and be considered. Bearing in mind the balance between | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
the desire to give people a fair pay rise and the need to make sure we | :18:40. | :18:42. | |
continue to have a sound economy. It's not by accident that we have | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
record employment, the economy is growing and we have been recovering | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
from the economic calamity that happened during the crash. Do you | :18:54. | :19:00. | |
believe that arise could be given in a responsible way, as per Boris | :19:01. | :19:06. | |
Johnson? We could see that people have their quality of life rising | :19:07. | :19:09. | |
without it affecting the economy. The pay review bodies... They | :19:10. | :19:17. | |
operate within the guidelines of the government, so they will be | :19:18. | :19:20. | |
influenced by the framework within which they deliberate. Yes, but we | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
need to give them an opportunity to report and consider it, rather than | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
engaging in signalling now. So if the government pay bodies come out | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
and say, we don't think you should take the cap off, the government | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
would go along with it? I don't think I should speculate on what | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
they might say and how people might react. It's a camouflage, isn't it? | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
It's not up to the pay bodies in the end, it up to the government. And | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
there are four different opinions at the moment in the government. The | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
reality is as you well know, we take collective decisions and there will | :19:54. | :19:56. | |
be a discussion within cabinet, some of which has been in topic, and I | :19:57. | :20:04. | |
think it should return to private collective Cabinet decision-making. | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
I want the Cabinet to come to a decision which is responsible and | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
which balances the need for pay rises with the overall need to | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
ensure our economy keeps performing and keeps people in work. So how | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
could you give recent pay rise in the public sector, above the cap, | :20:20. | :20:26. | |
without adding to the deficit? We need economic growth, that's why... | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
It slowing down. So that's why we need to make sure we give businesses | :20:33. | :20:35. | |
the confidence to understand that we are certain where we're going with | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
our Brexit negotiations... The election was a great help with that. | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
That result was disappointing for all of us but we need to continue | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
down the path to deliver the deep and special partnership which will | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
lead to economic growth for us and the economic union and give us the | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
opportunity to pivot outwards to the rest of the world where 90% of the | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
growth will come from by 2020. I think it's important we have a | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
settled position and trajectory. I'm trying to find out what that | :21:06. | :21:12. | |
position might be. Finally, before I come to Jonathan Ashworth, it's not | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
really your decision now, it's a sign of the position the government | :21:17. | :21:19. | |
is in. There are 40 Tory backbenchers who think that in some | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
way, the cap has had its day. And given that you haven't got a | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
majority, the cap has had its day, that's the reality, isn't it? | :21:29. | :21:30. | |
Conservatives are defined by our commitment to a sound economy in the | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
public interest. That's one of the central tenets of being a | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
Conservative. I think conservative MPs will listen to the argument as | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
they are advanced and prioritise a successful economy in the long term | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
because there is no kindness in adopting policies which wrecked | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
people's prospect of employment. Your manifesto talked about 4 | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
billion for public sector workers, but that's nowhere near enough. If | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
public sector pay merely kept pace with private sector pay in the next | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
two or three years, and private sector pay is not exactly booming, | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
if it merely kept pace with that, you would need a lot more than 4 | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
billion according to the ISS. Where would the money come from? -- | :22:14. | :22:20. | |
according to the eye S S. As I understand from the IFS, the way | :22:21. | :22:26. | |
they did their calculation is different, they are not taking into | :22:27. | :22:29. | |
account the national insurance contributions. If you can deal with | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
this public sector pay issue, and that knocks into the wider workforce | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
issues in the NHS, you should be able to bring the agency bill down. | :22:39. | :22:45. | |
I heard you at the weekend making this point, the government has saved | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
600 million on agency fees, it's put a cap on it, that is factored in. We | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
spent 3.7 billion on agency fees, that's not going to change overnight | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
even with a pay rise, given the nursing shortage. You will continue | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
to need to pay to .5 billion in agency fees for the foreseeable | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
future. You need to find 9 billion by 20 one, 20 two. That's for the | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
kind of pay rise in the public sector you are talking about. Where | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
does it come from? Al calculation is art different -- our calculation is | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
different from the IFS. We are saying that the government does not | :23:24. | :23:30. | |
need to go forward with the corporation tax changes. That is 4 | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
billion, you need 9 billion. We can test the figure on that. We seek the | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
government can find it by not going ahead with tax changes. What they | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
mustn't do, which is what I suspect might happen, is given the chaos | :23:45. | :23:47. | |
we've got in government, I worry if the government will get rid of the | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
cap but then say to the NHS, you have to find this extra money from | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
the existing budget and that will put huge budget pressure on the | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
wider NHS. What is more important, cabin corporation tax -- cutting | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
corporation tax or giving a pay rise the public sector workers? Both, | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
because cutting corporation tax will increase revenues. But that could be | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
because we are in the seventh year of a recovery and companies have | :24:16. | :24:18. | |
been making more profit. We don't know that it is directly result of | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
cutting corporation tax, you could have got more revenue in if you had | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
not cut it to 19%. Just don't know. It's certainly a matter of dispute | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
amongst economists but the fact is that we have cut corporation tax and | :24:34. | :24:36. | |
revenues have gone up and that is the sort of effect we would go to | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
expect. My point is, at this stage in the business cycle, it could have | :24:42. | :24:44. | |
been at anyway. It's a matter for debate amongst economists. You | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
cannot be sure if you cut it by more, it will continue to generate | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
revenue. We can be sure that if we raise corporation tax, the effect | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
will be felt by Italy's firms, consumers and it will harm | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
economies. We need a shrug it will be felt by employees of firms. There | :25:02. | :25:09. | |
is a lot to pick up there but we need to move on. | :25:10. | :25:11. | |
Jeremy Hunt wasn't having his best day at the office yesterday. | :25:12. | :25:13. | |
First the Health Secretary appeared close to the bottom | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
of the Conservative Home league table showing the popularity | :25:17. | :25:18. | |
of cabinet ministers among party members, | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
although he was still better liked than the Chancellor | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
He then became the latest victim of the snappers of Downing Street, | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
when he was photographed holding a note | :25:31. | :25:32. | |
which read read "hard Brexit means people fleeing the UK". | :25:33. | :25:34. | |
He later said it referred to a potential criticism | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
that he was expecting from opposition MPs in the Commons. | :25:39. | :25:41. | |
But we thought there might be more to it than that, | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
and when we asked the Daily Politics boffins to have a closer look, | :25:45. | :25:47. | |
Yes, it was a plea from Mr Hunt for what else | :25:48. | :25:53. | |
Well, I'm sorry Jeremy, it probably would put you up | :25:54. | :26:04. | |
there in the popularity stakes with David Davis | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
or Ruth Davidson, but the rules for cabinet ministers are the same | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
You'll need to enter our guess the year competition, | :26:13. | :26:19. | |
MUSIC: Baker Street by Gerry Rafferty. | :26:20. | :26:31. | |
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I think it'll give us a chance to see our | :27:22. | :27:24. | |
own members actually speaking up for us. | :27:25. | :27:27. | |
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There's going to be a statement on public sector pay coming up after | :28:10. | :28:18. | |
Prime Minister's Questions, from Liz Truss, the Chief Secretary of the | :28:19. | :28:21. | |
Treasury. She will make the statement after PMQs. We do not know | :28:22. | :28:26. | |
how long it will last but hopefully we will get it in before supper to | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
night. We like to look at Big Ben, it is glorious summer stay in London | :28:33. | :28:38. | |
town. Primus 's questions in a few -- prime ministers questions in a | :28:39. | :28:44. | |
few minutes. We're expecting a kind of statement by the Prime Minister | :28:45. | :28:52. | |
on rental tower? -- Grenfell Tower? Yes, she has given a lot of updates | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
at the start of prime ministers questions and I imagine she will do | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
that. We have seen this morning how Kensington Council has had a task | :29:03. | :29:05. | |
force sent in on top of other individuals to help them deal with | :29:06. | :29:09. | |
the aftermath of the tragedy, not exactly taking over the council but | :29:10. | :29:13. | |
to help them come to use that phrase, with their housing problems, | :29:14. | :29:16. | |
dealing with those displaced by the fire and the things that surround | :29:17. | :29:19. | |
that. So the government and other local councils have piled in to help | :29:20. | :29:24. | |
out Kensington. I guess people watching will say, why wasn't that | :29:25. | :29:30. | |
done the next day? Why wasn't that done, not for you to answer, but | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
people will think this was such a national tragedy, so visible as | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
well, seeing into the public consciousness, that you would just | :29:39. | :29:42. | |
drop everything and get the resources in to help. A lot of those | :29:43. | :29:46. | |
people are on the ground in Kensington, trying to get together | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
some sort of crisis response after the fire with no help from the local | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
authority. When I was there briefly, people complained about that and | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
since then we've had the Prime Minister talking about the failures | :29:59. | :30:01. | |
on the part of the state, Sajid Javid, the communities minister, | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
saying they had been let down by public policy over decades. There is | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
no shortage of contrition. What do we expect Mr Corbyn to go on? He has | :30:11. | :30:17. | |
rich pickings. He does, but we will see to the target, one of them is | :30:18. | :30:23. | |
Grenfell which transformed itself very quickly into a political | :30:24. | :30:27. | |
argument after the tragedy and then into a party political argument, and | :30:28. | :30:34. | |
Jeremy Corbyn's argument was to blame it on austerity and lay the | :30:35. | :30:38. | |
blame on the Conservative administration. We saw Theresa May | :30:39. | :30:44. | |
pushback on that. Public pay, Theresa May's response will be | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
interesting on that, interesting, in quotes, I suggest. I would suggest a | :30:50. | :30:55. | |
reiteration of Philip Hammond 's line. Maybe Philip Hammond without | :30:56. | :31:01. | |
his fireworks. You sending our audience to sleep? Philip Hammond | :31:02. | :31:06. | |
without the fireworks! We have not had the Prime Minister herself say | :31:07. | :31:09. | |
very much about public sector pay, if she has to say something, I'm | :31:10. | :31:13. | |
sure she will come it will underline her weakness. She is being buffeted | :31:14. | :31:18. | |
around by the pressures inside the Tory party in the country as a | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
whole, and from the Labour opposition. This whole situation | :31:24. | :31:26. | |
flows not just from weakness but political impotence in number ten. | :31:27. | :31:33. | |
The leadership in the government has gone missing. We have seen | :31:34. | :31:37. | |
government ministers ploughing their own furrows at will with no | :31:38. | :31:42. | |
semblance with what we used to consider cabinet discipline. That | :31:43. | :31:44. | |
has been interesting. We don't know how it shakes out, they haven't yet | :31:45. | :31:49. | |
pronounced the public sector pay cap dead but it is a dead policy | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
walking. It seems to be perfectly clear from where I'm sitting that it | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
would be politically impossible to carry on with this policy, even | :31:58. | :31:59. | |
though they might need to do that. Last week saw the 80th anniversary | :32:00. | :32:21. | |
of the 999 service. I know members will want it join plea paying | :32:22. | :32:26. | |
tribute to the men and women who work tirelessly saving lives, day-in | :32:27. | :32:31. | |
and day-out. Mr Speaker, this morning I had meetings with | :32:32. | :32:34. | |
ministerial colleagues and others n addition to my duties in this House, | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
I shall have further such meetings later. Later this week I will attend | :32:39. | :32:44. | |
a meeting of the G20 where I'll discuss the global economy, | :32:45. | :32:46. | |
counter-terrorism and sustainable development with my fellow leaders. | :32:47. | :32:49. | |
THE SPEAKER: Hannah Bardell. Thank you. Her face smashed with an iPad. | :32:50. | :32:56. | |
Her body beaten and forced to abort a baby girl. This is only some of | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
the domestic abuse my constituent, Lola has faced by her estranged | :33:02. | :33:07. | |
husband because she has refused the genital mutilation of her daughter. | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
She's ledgicated, has moot and had a good job with RBS until the Home | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
Office revoked her right to work. I have been writing to the Home Office | :33:16. | :33:23. | |
since March and got nowhere. So will the Prime Minister now intervene to | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
stop this family being deported and the three-year-old girl being | :33:29. | :33:30. | |
subject to female genital mutilation? | :33:31. | :33:32. | |
I say to the honourable lady that the Home Secretary has obviously | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
heard the case she set out here today. The issue of female genital | :33:38. | :33:42. | |
mutilation is one on which I think we are all agreed across this whole | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
House. It is an abhorrent activity T should not be taking place. Great | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
efforts have been made over recent years, in terms of strengthening the | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
law on it but also on getting information out about this issue and | :33:57. | :34:02. | |
also trying to support people in these communities where there is a | :34:03. | :34:06. | |
practice of FGM. The message has to go out from this House today - we | :34:07. | :34:13. | |
will not accept FGM in this country. THE SPEAKER: James Morris. Thank | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
you, Mr Speaker. Until the last few days, Iraqi security forces assisted | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
by coalition air strikes have made significant progress in eradicating | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
Isil fighters from Mosul. This is a significant step forward in the | :34:25. | :34:27. | |
military conflict against Isil in Iraq. But would the Prime Minister | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
agree with me that the UK and the United States and abroad | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
international alliance needs to work with the Iraqi Government to ensure | :34:36. | :34:38. | |
reconstruction in places like Mosul, as well as working with the Iraqi | :34:39. | :34:43. | |
Government to make sure that it is sufficiently strong to withstand the | :34:44. | :34:50. | |
poisonous ideology of the Isil as we seek to defeat it. My honourable | :34:51. | :34:56. | |
friend is right. In order to keep the streets of Britain safe we must | :34:57. | :35:03. | |
continue to I a tack Isil in Iraq and Syria. The RAF has conducted | :35:04. | :35:06. | |
over 1,400 strikes. There are over 500 British soldiers on the ground, | :35:07. | :35:12. | |
providing further assistance but my honourable friend makes the | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
important point that it is not just about the military action that takes | :35:17. | :35:22. | |
place, it is about how we ensure there is sustainable reconstruction | :35:23. | :35:24. | |
and rebuilding afterwards. Our troops have helped train 55,000 | :35:25. | :35:27. | |
Iraqi security force personnel. We are providing over 169.5 million | :35:28. | :35:31. | |
pounds in humanitarian aid and a further ?30 million to help Iraq | :35:32. | :35:35. | |
stabilise these liberated areas. And together we must also work, not just | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
in Iraq but internationally, to ensure that the hateful ideology of | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
extremism is not able to poison the minds of people. THE SPEAKER: Jeremy | :35:45. | :35:52. | |
Corbyn? Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I start by wishing everyone a happy | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
Pride month and especially those taking part in the Pride maefrp this | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
Saturday. We should be aware - the survey taken by Pride in London | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
found half of LBGT people in London had experienced hate crime in the | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
past 12 months. I join the Prime Minister in wishing the NHS a very | :36:12. | :36:17. | |
happy birthday. I was hoping she was going to say a bit more about NHS | :36:18. | :36:21. | |
staff and their pay during birthday greetings, because after a week of | :36:22. | :36:26. | |
flip flopping and floundering, we thought we got some clarity from | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
Downing Street at last. On Monday the announcement was that the public | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
sector pay cap at 1% remains and a rare moment of agreement between | :36:36. | :36:38. | |
number 10 and 11 was seen but yesterday we had news that | :36:39. | :36:42. | |
firefighters are going to be offered 2% this year and 3% next year. So, | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
account Prime Minister confirm whether the public sector pay cap | :36:48. | :36:50. | |
will remain for all other public servants until 2020? May I join The | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
Right Honourable gentlemen in wishing everybody who is going to | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
take part in Pride London on Saturday an excellent day. I'm sure | :37:00. | :37:06. | |
it will be a very good occasion as it always has been. Can I also say | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
that I and all members of this House value the work that is done, | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
incredibly important work done by our public sector | :37:18. | :37:26. | |
JEERS And I understand the concerns about | :37:27. | :37:33. | |
the pay. But for the information of the House perhaps I can set out the | :37:34. | :37:40. | |
current position. We have had three pay review bodies in the public | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
sector reporting in March. That covered doctors and dentists, NHS | :37:45. | :37:46. | |
staff, including nurses and the Armed Forces and the Government | :37:47. | :37:49. | |
accepted the recommendations in all three of those cases. The | :37:50. | :37:53. | |
firefighters award is not a matter that is determined by Government, it | :37:54. | :37:57. | |
is determined by the employers and it is not subject to a pay review | :37:58. | :38:03. | |
body. There are outstanding pay review body reports. Those cover | :38:04. | :38:06. | |
teachers, prison officers, police officers and senior salaries and the | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
Government will consider those reports very carefully and we'll | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
respond to them. But while we do that, we will always recognise the | :38:16. | :38:21. | |
need to ensure that we take those decisions, against the need to live | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
within our means. The right honourable gentleman and I both | :38:26. | :38:28. | |
value public sector workers and our public services. The difference is, | :38:29. | :38:38. | |
I know we have to pay for them. Mr Speaker, the public sector pay cap | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
causes real shortages in nursing and teaching and many other professions, | :38:44. | :38:47. | |
as well as real hardship. I had a letter last week from a teacher | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
called David. It's all right, he is a teacher, he is doing a good job, | :38:53. | :38:59. | |
all right. Inhe says, and I quote, "I've been teaching for ten years. I | :39:00. | :39:05. | |
have seen my workload increase. I have seen more people leave the | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
profession than start and no form of pay increase in seven years. The | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
only thing holding the education system together is the dedication 20 | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
struggle on for their students and staff." And he says, "This | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
dedication is starting to run out." So what we are doing, by this pay | :39:23. | :39:30. | |
cap, I say to the Prime Minister, is recklessly exploiting the goodwill | :39:31. | :39:32. | |
of public servants, like David. They need a pay rise. The Leader of the | :39:33. | :39:41. | |
Opposition refers to the numbers of nurses and teachers we have working | :39:42. | :39:45. | |
in the public sector. Of course we now have more nurses in our | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
hospitals than we had in 2010. More teachers in our schools. But let me | :39:50. | :39:52. | |
remind the right honourable gentleman of why it has been | :39:53. | :39:56. | |
necessary for us to exercise restraint in public spending, | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
including capping public sector pay? It's because we inherited the | :40:02. | :40:10. | |
biggest deficit in our history... Shouts and jeers SHOUTS | :40:11. | :40:23. | |
THE SPEAKER: Order. I noticed earlier Mr Mcmood you seem to be in | :40:24. | :40:31. | |
a hyper condition today. I recommend you take a soothing medicamen, you | :40:32. | :40:34. | |
will probably feel better. We've acted to bring the deficit down. It | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
is now down by three-quarters. At the same time, we have seen the | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
economy grow and we've seen recordlevels of people in | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
employment. Our policy on public sector pay has always recognised | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
that we need to balance the need to be fair to public sector workers, to | :40:54. | :40:59. | |
protect... To protect jobs in the public sector and to be fair to | :41:00. | :41:07. | |
those who pay for it. That is the balance we need to strike and we | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
continue to assess that balance. We've had seven years of tax cuts | :41:12. | :41:16. | |
for the richest and tax breaks for the biggest corporations. And last | :41:17. | :41:25. | |
year, Mr Speaker, there was a net loss of 1,700 nurses and midwives to | :41:26. | :41:32. | |
the NHS, and in the first two months of this year alone, 3,264 have left | :41:33. | :41:38. | |
the profession altogether. Not a great birthday present for the NHS, | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
is it? Last week the Chancellor said "We all value our public services | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
and the people who provide them to us." And went on to laud his own | :41:49. | :41:55. | |
economic record by saying #wed a fundamentally robust economy. Well, | :41:56. | :41:58. | |
the Prime Minister found ?1 billion to keep her own job, why can't she | :41:59. | :42:06. | |
find the same amount of money to keep nurses and teachers in their | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
jobs, who afterall, serve all of us? The right honourable gentleman talks | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
about the number of nurses. In fact I think some of those figures he was | :42:16. | :42:21. | |
talking about was the number of nurses who are registered in the | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
United Kingdom. There are about 600,000 nurses registered in the UK. | :42:27. | :42:32. | |
About half of them, 300,000 work in the NHS in England. And contrary to | :42:33. | :42:38. | |
what he says, we have 13,000 more nurses working in the NHS today than | :42:39. | :42:44. | |
compared to 20 o 10. SHOUTS But ginned stand that it has been | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
hard for people who have been working hard and making sacrifices, | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
over the years, as we have been dealing with Labour's mismanagement | :42:54. | :43:03. | |
of the economy. But let me just... Let me remind the right honourable | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
gentleman of what happens when you don't deal with the deficit? It's | :43:08. | :43:13. | |
not a theoretical issue, let's look at those countries that fail to deal | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
with it? In Greece, where they haven't dealt with the deficit... | :43:19. | :43:28. | |
Yes... SHOUTS AND JEERS What did we see? | :43:29. | :43:34. | |
Spending on the health service cut by 36%. Thatp doesn't help nurses or | :43:35. | :43:41. | |
patients. I hope the Prime Minister's proud of her record of | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
controlling public sector pay to the extent that hard-working nurses have | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
to access food banks in order to survive. And the frozen wages of | :43:52. | :44:01. | |
teaching assistants, par meddies and council workers. But, Mr Speaker, it | :44:02. | :44:05. | |
not -- paramedics. But across the economy wages are | :44:06. | :44:10. | |
rising by 2.1% while inflation is nearly 3%. 6 million workers already | :44:11. | :44:17. | |
earn less than the living wage. What does the Prime Minister think that | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
tells us about seven years of a Conservative Government, and what | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
it's done to the living standards of those people on whom we all rely to | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
get our public services, our health services, delivered to us? I'll tell | :44:31. | :44:35. | |
the right honourable gentleman what has happened over the last seven | :44:36. | :44:38. | |
years, we see record numbers of people in employment. Nearly 3 | :44:39. | :44:48. | |
million more people in work. We have seen the introduction of the | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
national living wage - never done by Labour. Done by a Conservative | :44:55. | :45:02. | |
Government. And we've seen 4 million people taken out of paying income | :45:03. | :45:08. | |
tax altogether. And a cut in income tax and a change in the personal | :45:09. | :45:14. | |
allowance which is the equivalent of ?1,000 to basic rate tax payers, | :45:15. | :45:18. | |
including nurses. That's the record of good management of the economy. | :45:19. | :45:20. | |
You only get it with a Conservative. Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, the Prime | :45:21. | :45:36. | |
Minister simply doesn't get it. SHOUTS AND JEERING. | :45:37. | :45:42. | |
There is, Mr Speaker,... We've got plenty of time, I'm quite happy to | :45:43. | :45:55. | |
go for a lot of time. People should try to calm themselves and give a | :45:56. | :45:59. | |
moments thought as to whether they'd like to be viewed by their | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
constituents shrieking their heads off, it's very down-market. Mr | :46:04. | :46:12. | |
Speaker, there is a low pay at the panic in this country. And it has a | :46:13. | :46:17. | |
terrible -- P epidemic in this country and it has a terrible effect | :46:18. | :46:23. | |
on young people. Those in their 20s will earn less than a generation | :46:24. | :46:26. | |
don't before them. The first generation to be worse off than the | :46:27. | :46:31. | |
last. They are less likely to be able to buy their own home, more | :46:32. | :46:35. | |
likely to be saddled with debt, more likely to be in insecure, low-paid | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
work. Except for more misery, what does the Prime Minister and her | :46:41. | :46:43. | |
government actually offer for the young people of this country? | :46:44. | :46:52. | |
THE SPEAKER: Prime Minister. Yes, to echo those colleagues, what | :46:53. | :46:59. | |
we offer young people is more jobs, more homes, and opportunity to own | :47:00. | :47:06. | |
their own home. But let me just, let me just tell the Right Honourable | :47:07. | :47:11. | |
gentleman what isn't fair. It isn't fair to refuse to take tough to | :47:12. | :47:15. | |
sessions and to load debts on our children and grandchildren in the | :47:16. | :47:23. | |
future. It isn't, it isn't fair to bankrupt our economy because that | :47:24. | :47:26. | |
leads to people losing their jobs and losing their homes. And it isn't | :47:27. | :47:31. | |
fair to go out and tell people that they can have all the public | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
spending they want without paying for it. Labour's away leads to fewer | :47:36. | :47:45. | |
jobs, higher prices, more taxes and Labour's way means everyone pays the | :47:46. | :47:52. | |
price of labour. Mr Speaker, when Tories talk of tough choices, we | :47:53. | :47:57. | |
know who suffers, it's the poorest and most vulnerable within our | :47:58. | :48:05. | |
society. Young people, Mr Speaker, in Clwyd on zero hours contracts, | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
are more likely to have -- employed on zero hours contracts, are more | :48:11. | :48:13. | |
likely to have worse physical and mental health. University students | :48:14. | :48:17. | |
who have graduated with ?50,000 worth of debt which will stay with | :48:18. | :48:24. | |
them until they retire. Mr Speaker, let me spell it out to the Prime | :48:25. | :48:28. | |
Minister. This is the only country in which wages have not recovered | :48:29. | :48:34. | |
since the global financial crash. More people are using food banks. 4 | :48:35. | :48:38. | |
million children living in poverty. Record in work. Poverty. Young | :48:39. | :48:47. | |
people who see no prospect of owning their own home and 6 million earning | :48:48. | :48:51. | |
less than the living way. The low Payet Adamic is a threat to our | :48:52. | :48:59. | |
economic stability. -- the low Payet Adamic. So can she take some tough | :49:00. | :49:03. | |
choices and instead of offering platitudes, offer some real help for | :49:04. | :49:09. | |
those in work, young people who deserve better and deserve to be | :49:10. | :49:12. | |
given more optimism rather than greater inequality? We actually now | :49:13. | :49:20. | |
see the proportion of people in absolute poverty is at record lows. | :49:21. | :49:25. | |
He asks for help for those who low-paid. I'll tell him the help | :49:26. | :49:31. | |
that we have given, we introduced the mandatory national living wage, | :49:32. | :49:38. | |
the lowest earners fastest pay rise in 20 years. We have cut taxes for | :49:39. | :49:48. | |
those on the basic rate. We are doing what is important for this | :49:49. | :49:51. | |
country which is insuring there are jobs and an economy which provides | :49:52. | :49:55. | |
jobs, which is the best route out of poverty, being in work. And I know, | :49:56. | :50:02. | |
I know that the right honourable gentleman has taken to calling | :50:03. | :50:08. | |
himself a government in waiting. Well, we all know what that means. | :50:09. | :50:15. | |
Waiting to put up taxes, waiting to destroy jobs, waiting to bankrupt | :50:16. | :50:18. | |
our country, we will never let it happen. | :50:19. | :50:21. | |
CHEERING I understand the House is excited | :50:22. | :50:36. | |
about hearing the right honourable member, Nicky Morgan. | :50:37. | :50:40. | |
I know that the Prime Minister and her ministers and many other members | :50:41. | :50:44. | |
of the House are committed to better mental health care for everyone. I'm | :50:45. | :50:49. | |
a founder of the Loughborough well-being project and I recently | :50:50. | :50:53. | |
visited an eating disorder service in Leicester. As a result of the | :50:54. | :51:03. | |
Rodman's careful financial management, 1.4 billion more is | :51:04. | :51:08. | |
going into mental health services. How can she insure that this goes | :51:09. | :51:13. | |
into the service is consistently? May I commend her on her work in | :51:14. | :51:16. | |
this project and I'm happy to join her in paying tribute to the work of | :51:17. | :51:21. | |
the eating disorder service in Leicester. As she says, they do | :51:22. | :51:25. | |
incredibly important work and we must do more to transform the mental | :51:26. | :51:29. | |
health services that we provide for young people, but also mental health | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
generally. That's why, as she says, we are putting more money into | :51:34. | :51:36. | |
mental health and it will reach a record 11.6 billion, it reached that | :51:37. | :51:44. | |
last year. That funding, we need to make sure it gets through to the | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
front line, we are working to ensure that people and staff in schools are | :51:49. | :51:52. | |
trained to better identify and deal with mental health problems when | :51:53. | :51:55. | |
they are present with children. I saw that when I visited a school in | :51:56. | :52:00. | |
Bristol last week, excellent work being done, improving the quality of | :52:01. | :52:03. | |
services for young people with mental health. In Blackford. As we | :52:04. | :52:11. | |
meet here today, the funeral is taking place in Dundee for the | :52:12. | :52:14. | |
former leader of the Scottish National Party and member of | :52:15. | :52:19. | |
Parliament for Dundee East from 1974 to 1987, I'm sure the House would | :52:20. | :52:22. | |
like to join with me in commemorating the life and | :52:23. | :52:24. | |
contribution to politics of the late, dearly missed friend and | :52:25. | :52:31. | |
colleague, Gordon Wilson. Mr Speaker, the UK Government has not | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
announced any measures to address rising inflation and slamming wage | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
growth which the eye S S has described as dreadful. -- which the | :52:40. | :52:49. | |
IFS has destroyed as dreadful. As workers endure the worst pay for 70 | :52:50. | :52:52. | |
years, does the Prime Minister think she is looking out for the just | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
about managing? Can I first of all say to the honourable gentleman as I | :52:58. | :53:00. | |
did last week, I am sure all members of the House would like to offer our | :53:01. | :53:04. | |
condolences to the friends, families and colleagues of the late Gordon | :53:05. | :53:08. | |
Wilson but also to recognise the role he played in politics in the UK | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
including in this house. And I say to the honourable gentleman, as I | :53:14. | :53:17. | |
have said to the Leader of the Opposition, what is important is | :53:18. | :53:21. | |
that we ensure that we have an economy which is increasing the | :53:22. | :53:25. | |
number of jobs because the best route out of poverty is for people | :53:26. | :53:29. | |
to be in work. That is what we are doing. We've seen nearly 3 million | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
more jobs being created over recent years. That's important for people. | :53:35. | :53:39. | |
We also help people, for example, by cutting taxes, it's what we've done | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
for people who are you lower paid, introducing the national living | :53:44. | :53:50. | |
wage, that is what people need. It is the forecast in the rise in work | :53:51. | :53:57. | |
poverty which should concern us, particularly the increase of young | :53:58. | :54:01. | |
people in poverty. Since the general election in 2010, the FTSE 100 has | :54:02. | :54:07. | |
risen by 39.6%. Monetary policy, not least quantitative easing, has | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
helped drive up financial assets while workers have paid the price | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
for austerity. Workers will earn no more in 2021 than they did in 2008. | :54:19. | :54:23. | |
Will the Prime Minister give workers a pay rise? I would have thought | :54:24. | :54:27. | |
that particularly with his background, he would have recognised | :54:28. | :54:31. | |
the role that the monetary policy including quantitative easing has | :54:32. | :54:36. | |
done in ensuring that we at able to see those jobs in the enquiry -- | :54:37. | :54:44. | |
economy which are so important. Can my right honourable friend tell me | :54:45. | :54:47. | |
what steps the government is taking to drive value for money and | :54:48. | :54:52. | |
efficiency in the aid budget to ensure taxpayer money is used to | :54:53. | :54:55. | |
promote global peace and security in the national interest? Can I say to | :54:56. | :55:00. | |
my honourable friend that I am proud that the government is committed to | :55:01. | :55:03. | |
honouring our international commitment on aid, that is important | :55:04. | :55:06. | |
for this country. This money is saving lives, building a more stable | :55:07. | :55:11. | |
and prosperous world, that's firmly in our UK national interest but of | :55:12. | :55:14. | |
course, but he's absolutely right, we need to make sure the money we | :55:15. | :55:17. | |
are spending is being spent utterly and efficiently. The international | :55:18. | :55:23. | |
developer and secretary, I can assure him, is driving value for | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
money and efficiency in the aid budget, focusing on greater | :55:28. | :55:30. | |
transparency, boosting payment by results and driving value for money | :55:31. | :55:36. | |
as well. We set up in 2011 and independent aid watchdog together | :55:37. | :55:42. | |
with stronger controls in DfiD. It's important we are committed to this | :55:43. | :55:45. | |
money but it is also important that it is spelt well. My young | :55:46. | :55:50. | |
constituent paid ?300 house reservation fee to an estate agent | :55:51. | :55:59. | |
their landlord clients -- grow which they will not refund after they | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
refused to honour the contract after the landlord pulled out. When will | :56:04. | :56:10. | |
the Prime Minister act and put an end to these rip-off fees and stop | :56:11. | :56:16. | |
these agents capitalising on young people and others? We have made | :56:17. | :56:23. | |
reference in the Queen's speech to what we're doing in this area, we | :56:24. | :56:27. | |
recognise the issues. He says when, but he will recognise in the House | :56:28. | :56:30. | |
that we need to ensure that anything we bring forward in legislative | :56:31. | :56:34. | |
terms get right, so it's going to work. We recognise the problem and | :56:35. | :56:37. | |
we are going to do something about it. In 2008, I brought forward an | :56:38. | :56:43. | |
amendment to the animal welfare act that would have extended the | :56:44. | :56:48. | |
sentences for cruelty to animals from weeks to years. Will my right | :56:49. | :56:51. | |
honourable friend look and see what can be done to ensure that people | :56:52. | :56:55. | |
who are deliberately and wilfully cruel to animals are punished far | :56:56. | :57:00. | |
more severely? I'm grateful to my honourable friend for raising this | :57:01. | :57:07. | |
issue and we all share a high regard for animal welfare, the importance | :57:08. | :57:09. | |
of having strict laws in place to ensure that we deal with people | :57:10. | :57:12. | |
properly who are not looking after animals. And anyone who is cruel to | :57:13. | :57:17. | |
an animal doesn't provide for welfare needs may be and from -- | :57:18. | :57:25. | |
banned from owning animals, given a fine sent to prison. We are in | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
discussion with the Ministry of Justice regularly in remission to | :57:30. | :57:35. | |
the sentencing policy for animal welfare. With this awful service | :57:36. | :57:40. | |
reportedly having to explain in crayon to the -- with the civil | :57:41. | :57:46. | |
service reportedly having to explain in crayon to the Cabinet that there | :57:47. | :57:53. | |
is now know have your cake and eat it option for Brexit, will she | :57:54. | :57:57. | |
admits she is prioritising her own red lines? He will have heard the | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
answer before. We want to negotiate the best possible answer for the | :58:03. | :58:08. | |
United Kingdom which ensures we have a comprehensive free trade | :58:09. | :58:11. | |
agreement, we can trade with our partners, we have a deep and special | :58:12. | :58:14. | |
partnership with the European Union, that we ensure that we are growing | :58:15. | :58:19. | |
our economy but it's not just about our relationship with the European | :58:20. | :58:22. | |
Union, it's about trade deals that we will do with countries around the | :58:23. | :58:26. | |
rest of the world. And it's about ensuring sound management | :58:27. | :58:33. | |
conservative government. Commissioners have highlighted to me | :58:34. | :58:37. | |
the valuable contribution that retired police Sergeant and now | :58:38. | :58:42. | |
special constable Ross Hall has made to maritime policing. Does my right | :58:43. | :58:45. | |
honourable friend believe that joined up working with other | :58:46. | :58:49. | |
agencies is essential and can make a positive contribution to beating | :58:50. | :58:54. | |
crime in our small harbours? And helps protect our borders? Can I | :58:55. | :59:00. | |
join my honourable friend in recognising the contribution that | :59:01. | :59:04. | |
special contribution Ross Hall has made in her constituency, and she | :59:05. | :59:10. | |
makes an important point. When I was Home Secretary, I brought various | :59:11. | :59:13. | |
agencies together to look at just this issue of how we deal with | :59:14. | :59:18. | |
protecting our borders. That joined up working can make a real and | :59:19. | :59:23. | |
positive contribution. As she will know, of course, what matters is not | :59:24. | :59:26. | |
just how we do that but ensuring that we're having an impact but as | :59:27. | :59:31. | |
she will know, crime has fallen by a third since 20 ten to eight record | :59:32. | :59:39. | |
low. -- 2010 to a record low. Thank you for advising me on my blood | :59:40. | :59:44. | |
pressure, when I go to my consultant on Monday, he will give me the same | :59:45. | :59:50. | |
advice. My blood pressure rises because when I go and see those | :59:51. | :59:54. | |
nurses in those hospitals, overstretched, overworked and | :59:55. | :59:57. | |
underpaid and having to use food banks, she pays lip service and does | :59:58. | :00:04. | |
not look at the pace sector gap and does not reduce it. Listen to the | :00:05. | :00:07. | |
plea of those nurses and do something about the pace sector cap. | :00:08. | :00:14. | |
I have set out the position to the Leader of the sop significance when | :00:15. | :00:25. | |
he spoke earlier. -- Leader of the Opposition. And for nurses there is | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
the overall public sector pay increase but also many nurses | :00:31. | :00:33. | |
receive increments or progression pay. And for a typical band 5 nurse, | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
they'll be receiving 3.8% over and above the 1%. It is a strong economy | :00:38. | :00:47. | |
that power this is Government's investment in the NHS and it is a | :00:48. | :00:53. | |
strong economy that is allowing this Government to create 1,500 new | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
medical school places and new medical schools. Does the Prime | :00:58. | :01:04. | |
Minister agree with me that Lincolnshire makes a new case for a | :01:05. | :01:10. | |
new medical school in this great county? My honourable friend makes | :01:11. | :01:18. | |
an important point. We can only pay for public services with a strong | :01:19. | :01:25. | |
economy. And as he said we are going to train 1,500 more doctors every | :01:26. | :01:30. | |
year to ensure the NHS has enough doctors to continue providing a | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
safe, compassionate care we all want to see. We are looking at the | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
question of how to allocate the places and will publish their | :01:38. | :01:39. | |
consultation response. They are also looking at the possibility of new | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
and aspiring medical schools bidding for these places and I'm sure that | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
as my honourable friend has always been a champion for his constituents | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
and constituency, he will continue to make an excellent case for Lynne | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
coreshire. On Saturday the Shadow Chancellor and I joined staff from | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
picture house cinemas outside the Ritzy in Brixton who are striking | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
because their employer reus foos to pay the London living wage and has | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
outrageously stacked their trade union representatives. Will the | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
Prime Minister join me on calling of Picture House cinema who made a | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
profit last year of ?18 million to pay their staff the London living | :02:16. | :02:21. | |
wage and to rein-Tait their local res madly -- reinstate. It is about | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
a relationship between employers and their employees. What I say to her | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
overall is the importance of Government taking the right | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
decisions to ensure we can - excuse me - taking right decisions to | :02:35. | :02:44. | |
ensure that growing the economy and providing those jobs for people in | :02:45. | :02:50. | |
the first place. Tait THE SPEAKER: Andrew Bowie. Thank you Mr Speaker, | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
I would to thank the Prime Minister for taking time during the general | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
election to come up to campaign in my constituency where I think we did | :03:02. | :03:08. | |
rather well. I would like to ask if she agrees with me that it is | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
utterly shameful that the Scottish Government have for the second year | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
in a reh to go pleading to the European Commission for an extension | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
to the farm payment deadline, and is this not proof, if further proof | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
were needed that the SNP are failing rural Scotland? THE SPEAKER: Order. | :03:28. | :03:29. | |
We're fascinated to hear the answer, I should just say although I'm | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
interested to hear the answer and we will, the Prime Minister is not | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
responsible for the Scottish Government. Prime Minister. Can I | :03:37. | :03:42. | |
first of all welcome my honourable friend to his place in this House | :03:43. | :03:49. | |
and I very much enjoyed my visit to his constituency during the election | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
campaign. But what he says is absolutely right because time and | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
again, in this Chamber, Mr Speaker, we hear the Scottish Nationalists | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
demanding more powers for Scotland. Yet what do we see? They are failing | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
to deliver for the Scottish people on the powers they already have. Yet | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
again Scottish schools are now outperformed in every category by | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
schools in England, Northern Ireland, Estonia and Poland. Powers | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
are kept in Edinburgh rather than being devolved to local people and | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
as my honourable friend says, yet again we see farmers waiting months | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
for their subsidy payments. The simple fact is that the SNP's | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
qualities are not in the best interests of the people of Scotland. | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
THE SPEAKER: Order. I say to the honourable gentleman the member for | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
Glasgow South who persists in gesticulating in an eccentric | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
matter, he seems discome bob lighted from the world he inhabits. It is an | :04:46. | :04:52. | |
unhappy state of affairs. The southern rail dispute is causing | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
real damage to the economy of Eastbourne and South East. My | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
constituents have had a shocking time with the services provide the | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
or not for the last 1 months. This shrimp cannot go on. With the Prime | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
Minister enlighten me, my constituents and the House, why the | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
Department for Transport and the train operator will not meet with | :05:16. | :05:21. | |
the unions at the same time in the same room, together, to negotiate a | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
deal? I recognise the problems that have been experienced by passengers | :05:26. | :05:28. | |
on southern rail, this is a matter that has been raised by a number of | :05:29. | :05:35. | |
my colleagues in the House, including my honourable friend the | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
member for Lewes who raised it last weevenlingt I'm very disappointed | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
that they have called more industrial action. It is completely | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
unnecessary. All it will do is cause more disruption and frustration for | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
passengers. The recent independent report says the main cause of | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
widespread disruption on Southern has been union action. So, I would | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
urge the unions to call off these strikes, work with the operators and | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
deliver the services the passengers need. THE SPEAKER: Alex Burghart. | :06:02. | :06:11. | |
Businesses across my constituency will be cock ahoop to hear that | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
their calls for better broadband are being answer bid the digital | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
infrastructure investment fund. Which is going to unlock about ?1 | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
billion for full fibre service. It is going to help them create jobs, | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
particularly in rural areas. Will the Prime Minister agree with me | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
that this is exactly the sort of infrastructure spend we need to get | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
our country Brexit-ready? My honourable friend makes a very | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
important point. And wear already a digital world leader and we're | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
committed to making sure this unremains so. We already see 93% of | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
the UK accessing superfast broadband and we are on track to reach 95% by | :06:51. | :06:58. | |
the end of the year but we do want to see more commercial investment in | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
the gold standard connectivity full fibre provides and this is' why | :07:02. | :07:04. | |
we've launched this digital infrastructure investment fund | :07:05. | :07:05. | |
accompanies aaround the UK will be able to apply for match funding for | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
projects which would see fibre delivered right to the doorstep. | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
Yesterday we also announced 100% business rate relief for businesses | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
rolling out new fibre. This is important. We want to continue to be | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
woorld leader and these are the actions Government are taking in | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
making sure we will be. Police officer numbers in Wales have | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
dropped by 10% since her party came to power. The policing is devolved | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
in Northern Ireland and Scotland and have xrap funding worth ?25 million | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
at their disposal. This would more than replace those lost officers. | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
What justification is there for refusing to want to devolve | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
policing? We have been around this discussion before but can I address | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
the central issue of what the honourable lady is talking about, | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
police budgets and the number of police officers. We are currently | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
protecting police budgets. We have been doing that since 2015. That I | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
believe is acknowledged across the House. And we have we are not | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
protecting the police budgets but ensuring the police need the cape | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
acts they need to deal with new types of crime, creating the | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
national cybercrime unit and national police agency and this is | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
why what we are doing to cut crime and crime is at a record low. THE | :08:28. | :08:35. | |
SPEAKER: Scott Mann. Can I thank the Prime Minister for introducing the | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
trade and fishery Brexit bill in the Queen's Speech. It'll be welcome in | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
the West Country however we are facing significant challenges with | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
rural Post Office network and the trands flings some branches from | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
community branches to community village stores and community | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
buildings. Some of those moves have been smooth and some haven't. Can I | :08:53. | :08:59. | |
ask her to take a look at this and see if there is anything more the | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
Government can do to help my constituents? My honourable friend | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
again raises an important point and it is right we should recognise the | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
role played in communities by rural Post Offices and rural Post Offices | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
in places like Campbell Ford and in his constituency but in the | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
constituencies of other honourable members. We've invested in the | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
network up to 2018. It is at its most stable for decades but he is | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
right, I would urge the Post Office to help to make it as easy as | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
possible for shops who want it take over postal services to be able to | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
do so. . THE SPEAKER: Diana Johnston. Mrnchts speaker, 2,400 | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
people have died as a result of the NHS contaminated blood scandal. More | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
than Hillsborough and all the other disasters over the previous few | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
decades put together. With the excel effort that the former right | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
honourable member for Leigh presented to Parliament on April | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
25th of a criminal cover-up of an industrial scale, will the Prime | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
Minister now do the right thing and order a public inquiry for the whole | :10:03. | :10:08. | |
of the United Kingdom? The honourable lady raises an important | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
issue. I know the thoughts of members of the House will be with | :10:12. | :10:18. | |
all of those who've been affected by this terrible tragedy in relation to | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
contaminated blood. Serious allegations have been made and I | :10:22. | :10:24. | |
would say obviously information that has been brought forward to the | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
House will be looked at bhinsteres at the Department of Health but if | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
any honourable member has further information or evidence they believe | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
would be important that should go to ministers, so they can properly | :10:37. | :10:39. | |
investigate T we are providing more compensation than any previous | :10:40. | :10:42. | |
Government and committed ?125 million of extra funding for those | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
affected for the contaminated blood tragedy last July. But the | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
Department of Health will look at any new evidence that is brought | :10:53. | :10:58. | |
forward. Mr Speaker, rather than celebrating the NHS, the party | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
opposite rather shamelessly have tried to weaponise the NHS with the | :11:03. | :11:09. | |
political campaigning tools. Will the Prime Minister assure me that | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
services like the 999 service will be decided upon, based on clinical | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
decision, not those of politicians that are trying to weaponise our | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
public services? My honourable friend is absolutely right. In | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
relation to the services that are provided by the NHS, it is so | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
important that decisions are taken on a clinical basis by those who | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
understand the needs and requirements of people and in | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
different areas. And that's why we have set up NHS England which has a | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
plan for developing services in the NHS, over a five-year period. It's | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
important that politicians allow clinicians and others in the NHS to | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
make the decisions they need to. I'm thinking of my constituents Konnie | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
and Chris Guard and Charlie at this difficult time. It's clear that if | :12:02. | :12:09. | |
Charlie remains in the UK there is no further treatment available and | :12:10. | :12:12. | |
that life support will be switched off. There are differing views about | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
the charges of the by pass therapy that other children, albeit with | :12:18. | :12:20. | |
less swear forms of Charlie's condition have benefited from. I | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
understand the chances of improvement for Charlie are low but | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
that doctors would be able to say within three months whether Charlie | :12:27. | :12:32. | |
is responding and whether the change is clinically beneficial. If there | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
is any room for discretion within the court ruling for Great Ormond | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
Street to allow Charlie to leave and to transfer his care to doctors at | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
Columbia University and he is sufficiently stable to receive | :12:48. | :12:49. | |
treatment, would the Prime Minister do all she can to bring the | :12:50. | :12:52. | |
appropriate people together to try to make this happen? Can I first of | :12:53. | :12:59. | |
all say to the honourable lady she is right to raise the concerns of | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
her constituents in this matter and I'm sure the thoughts of all members | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
of the House are with the familiar lane Charlie at this exceptionally | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
difficult time. It's an unimaginable position for anybody to be in and I | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
fully understand and appreciate that any parent in these circumstances | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
would want to do everything possible and explore every option for their | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
seriously illchild but I also know that no doctor ever wants to be | :13:26. | :13:32. | |
placed in the terrible position where they have to make such | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
heart-breaking decisions. The honourable lady referred to the fact | :13:36. | :13:38. | |
that we have the court process here. I'm confident Great Ormond Street | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
hospital have and always will consider any offers or new | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
information that has come forward with the consideration of the | :13:45. | :13:47. | |
well-being of a desperately ill child. Mr Speaker, when the Prime | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
Minister and I left our comprehensive schools to go to | :13:52. | :13:54. | |
university, we entered into a privileged elite. Can my right | :13:55. | :13:57. | |
honourable friend confirm that as a result of a tuition fee, introduced | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
by Labour, improved by the coalition, there are now more young | :14:02. | :14:09. | |
people from working class and poor backgrounds staying at university | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
than ever before, because come people say it is fewer. Are they | :14:14. | :14:21. | |
right or are they wrong? I'm very happy to join my honourable friend | :14:22. | :14:28. | |
in relation to this issue. Issue in recognising she and I went to | :14:29. | :14:30. | |
comprehensive schools and universities at a time when the | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
number of people going to university was significantly lower than it is | :14:34. | :14:41. | |
today. And I'm also grateful to her for reminding the House that | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
actually it was the Labour Party that says they would not introduce | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
tuition fees and when they got into Government introduce tuition fees. | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
But what we are seeing - what we are seeing under the current... What we | :14:55. | :15:00. | |
are seeing under the current system is more young people than ever going | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
to university, and crucially, to address the point she raised, | :15:06. | :15:08. | |
disadvantaged 18-year-olds are 40% o % more line e likely to go to | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
university now than they were in 2009. | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
The Prime Minister herself commissioned ship Jones to the port | :15:21. | :15:28. | |
on the Hillsborough families. Even -- given what is before us that the | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
state still does not know how to deal with the victims of tragedy, | :15:33. | :15:39. | |
will she give me the date on when this report will be published? I | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
have not seen the report yet and I cannot give her a date, but she | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
raises an important point. The reason why I asked Bishop James | :15:49. | :15:50. | |
Chester undertake this work was because I was concerned about the | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
ways the bereaved families at Hillsborough had been treated over | :15:56. | :15:58. | |
far too many years and we have seen the result of the CPS decisions last | :15:59. | :16:05. | |
week. This is why we have committed, in the Queen's speech, to | :16:06. | :16:08. | |
introducing an independent and public advocate who will be able to | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
act on the behalf of bereaved families in cases of public | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
disaster, because I think it is important that they are able to have | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
that support alongside them. Too many families just have too, as we | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
have seen in Hillsborough, have two over many years fight to get justice | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
will stop I want to ensure they have help and support in doing that. | :16:28. | :16:34. | |
Given the government's record in freezing fuel duty, will she resist | :16:35. | :16:41. | |
recent calls to raise the duty because it hurts the lowest paid the | :16:42. | :16:44. | |
most? Will she do every thing possible to make sure that when the | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
international oil price falls, this is reflected properly at the pumps | :16:49. | :16:51. | |
so that we can have a Britain that works for every motorist? Can I | :16:52. | :16:57. | |
first of all commend my honourable friend who has been championing this | :16:58. | :17:00. | |
issue for all the years that he has been in the House. And the work that | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
he has done as a great campaigner on this and other issues has been | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
recognised in changes the government has made. I'm pleased that we have | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
been able to do what we've done in relation to holding down the issue | :17:16. | :17:19. | |
on fuel duty, he struggled to tempt me down a path which I will not go | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
down because he knows decisions at these matters are time of fiscal | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
events. It comes to an end after 47 minutes, | :17:28. | :17:38. | |
last week was not an aberration, if you thought it was, you have been | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
proved wrong. It looks like the speaker is planning to run the PMQs | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
for 45 minutes. The exchanges between the front benches, it was | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
like the campaign had not ended. Mr Corbyn making much of the themes he | :17:54. | :17:56. | |
used in their campaign, public sector pay, the need to pay teachers | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
and nurses more and so on. The Prime Minister fighting back saying she is | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
followed three pay review bodies, she's for more to come in, we need | :18:07. | :18:12. | |
to live within our means. It did not get so far but it was an echo of the | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
campaign. One difference, Theresa May made quite a spirited defence of | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
the government's economic record since 2010, which is something she | :18:24. | :18:26. | |
didn't do during the election campaign. That was interesting. We | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
will see where we are in a moment with our panel. But what did the | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
viewers say? Still the same untruths from the Tories on pay in economy, a | :18:36. | :18:44. | |
rise is needed now. But this one, Theresa May seemed to be on form | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
today, her backbenchers hacking her all the way, Mr Corbyn cannot think | :18:49. | :18:54. | |
on his feet and catch the Prime Minister on God. This one, Corbyn is | :18:55. | :19:02. | |
back to his letter from able routine, it doesn't work, the brain | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
is back and Theresa May is still shrill when rattled. And this tweet, | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
has Theresa May ever defended the economic record of the Tories as | :19:14. | :19:21. | |
vigorously as this? Might get her a positive editorial in the standard. | :19:22. | :19:28. | |
To which George Osborne treated, a smiley face. Is that good? Does it | :19:29. | :19:36. | |
apply Kim? I can't tell. -- does it look like him? And we had the first | :19:37. | :19:45. | |
MP not wearing a tie and asking a question, a pink shirt and a nice | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
fitted collar, that started a trend. I am not sure that this will buy to | :19:50. | :19:55. | |
reset may credit with George Osborne's Usher could Theresa May's | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
credit with George Osborne's standard, but she looked more | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
relaxed and comfortable as she has been since her decline. The reasons | :20:04. | :20:11. | |
are discoverable, maybe the pressure is off now that she has fallen as | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
far as she has. It makes it easier to be yourself. In question Time, we | :20:16. | :20:22. | |
saw her try her best to hold the line on public sector pay, | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
reiterating the policy. In the course of doing that, she expressed | :20:27. | :20:29. | |
that the public pay review bodies will be read carefully and their | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
recommendations would be studied and acted upon, or not, as the case | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
would be. The sponsoring ministers of the pay review bodies have given | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
a green light to those bodies to go ahead and bust the 1% pay cut if | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
they want to do it. It would be quite difficult not to do that now. | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
We know that is their natural inclination because they have been | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
building up to this for a couple of years. We're we are to begin with, | :20:54. | :21:02. | |
in my view, a political impossibility of hanging onto a | :21:03. | :21:04. | |
public sector pay cap when sponsoring ministers and others say, | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
it is the time to breach the cat. When the government says they have | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
listen to the electorate, how do you then say, we have decided to ignore | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
that message that we said we were listening to carefully? And when | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
you've got enough MPs and more on the Tory side to stage a big enough | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
rebellion to bring it down, even the government would be minded to dig | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
its heels in. The deficit was just under 50 billion in the last | :21:32. | :21:34. | |
financial year, it's rising this year for some technical reasons, it | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
will be over 50 billion. Does it no longer matter? The deficit does | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
matter which is why all our policies in the general election campaign | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
were accosted. You may disagree with them. No one agreed with them. No | :21:47. | :21:56. | |
experts no expert body agreed with your tax revenue projections. We put | :21:57. | :22:05. | |
forward I costed manifesto. You say that but by constituents didn't | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
believe it. The key thing is it is up for ministers to set the rebid | :22:11. | :22:18. | |
for these bodies for public pay, you say he's given them the green light, | :22:19. | :22:21. | |
it is he in the instruction he's given them, actually going to say, | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
do not impose a cap? That's the question that the government has not | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
answered. How could he do that? He could not. He could say, take into | :22:31. | :22:37. | |
account the new inflation levels. That's what's made the pay cut such | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
an important issue. When the cap was introduced, inflation was close to | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
zero. If you've only got 1%, not much but in real terms, you get a | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
little rise. You would hardly notice it but you get a little rise. Now | :22:52. | :23:00. | |
with a 1% pay cap, you get it cut in real terms. It's difficult to | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
sustain the claim that the inflation target is symmetrical which is what | :23:05. | :23:07. | |
the governor of the Bank of England was insisted on when inflation was | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
near zero. The reality is that positive inflation creates these | :23:13. | :23:15. | |
pressures. We need to keep inflation under control. We will see a one off | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
through the referendum change in the currency level will wash through, | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
and I think we will see inflation stabilise after that. A pay rise in | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
the public sector of 2.5% wouldn't be inflationary, would it? 2% sounds | :23:30. | :23:35. | |
like a small number but when you run to the figures, it would be very | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
expensive. Why did the Prime Minister use grease as an example of | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
a country who had not tackled its deficit? But Greece has been in | :23:46. | :23:52. | |
notorious difficulties. What is its deficit, and why would she raise it | :23:53. | :23:56. | |
if she used it as an example? We seen that in Greece, where taxes | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
haven't been paid and where the government has lived beyond its | :24:02. | :24:04. | |
means, the consequence of running up too much debt has been profound. She | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
wasn't talking about debt, she was talking about the deficit, a | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
different thing, Greece doesn't have address it, it ran a budget surplus | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
last year. What are our deficit as a percentage of GDP? It is just 3%. It | :24:19. | :24:27. | |
is just under, we are just under 3% and Greece is running a surplus, why | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
would you raise that? Greece is an example of where excess in debt is | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
leading to public service is being in trouble. That's not what the | :24:38. | :24:40. | |
Prime Minister was talking about, she was saying it had not got on top | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
of its deficit and that is not what the figures say. The political thing | :24:46. | :24:48. | |
which was interesting is that the Prime Minister 's got a lot of | :24:49. | :24:55. | |
support from the backbenches, and that is I suggest because they know | :24:56. | :24:58. | |
she is living on borrowed time but she'll go at a time of their | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
choosing. So for the moment, they're going to rally behind her until they | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
choose that she doesn't stay there any more. I think that's precisely | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
right. The Conservative backbench at question time now are like spear | :25:12. | :25:20. | |
carriers in this experience drummer, they say nothing until the queue | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
comes to cheer. -- in a Shakespearean drama. The job for now | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
is to stay there and she will achieve that until the recess. We | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
have to exit now. A Shakespearean exit from the stage. | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
We've talked before about Corbynmania and the huge | :25:37. | :25:38. | |
support for the Labour leader on social media. | :25:39. | :25:40. | |
He's not the first politician to get an online following. | :25:41. | :25:42. | |
You might remember the somewhat smaller Milifandom that | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
sprang up around former Labour leader Ed Miliband. | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
But this week it's been suggested that there's a new unlikely | :25:49. | :25:51. | |
What greater pleasure can there be for a true born Englishman | :25:52. | :26:00. | |
or true born Englishwoman, to listen to our own | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
Mr Speaker, or my right honourable friend the member for Buckingham, | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
as he now is, has a reputation for being a moderniser. | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
This is the word I use with some caution. | :26:13. | :26:20. | |
Can we indulge in the floxinoxinihilipilification | :26:21. | :26:23. | |
There are times when a nation needs a hero. | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
Now might not be one of those times, but there seems to be loads | :26:28. | :26:36. | |
of people at the moment who just really love Jacob Rees-Mogg. | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
Maybe it's because he himself posts to social media. | :26:42. | :26:44. | |
Maybe because he's had such a strong and youthful | :26:45. | :26:49. | |
And maybe it's because he seems to have cross-party support. | :26:50. | :26:56. | |
Whatever it is, The Rees-Mogg has inspired a generation | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
of Photoshoppers and meme creaters on the Internet. | :27:01. | :27:02. | |
So much so that someone even interviewed him about what he thinks | :27:03. | :27:10. | |
of these memes and that's been really popular. | :27:11. | :27:12. | |
I always think it's important to sit comfortably in the chamber, | :27:13. | :27:14. | |
particularly when you're in there for a long time. | :27:15. | :27:17. | |
There's even a campaign to make him PM. | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
What is it about Rees-Mogg that you love so much? | :27:23. | :27:25. | |
I think it's because he's a little bit eccentric. | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
He doesn't take themselves so seriously. | :27:30. | :27:31. | |
So how many people have signed up for the campaign? | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
So we have just over 12,000 signatures so far. | :27:35. | :27:37. | |
Yeah, it is, I've got to say I'm actually surprised that we've got | :27:38. | :27:46. | |
this big in such a short period of time. | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
His support isn't just the grassroots of his power base | :27:52. | :27:54. | |
But as his local paper once said, he's got Mogg-mentum. | :27:55. | :28:08. | |
So, is their love for him in the studio? Absolutely massive love for | :28:09. | :28:17. | |
Jake, we are all fans. As leader? Who knows what happens with due | :28:18. | :28:26. | |
course. We need to guess the year, it is 1978. So, Minister, hit that | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
red buzzer. Brexit negotiations are over! Here is the winner. | :28:31. | :28:42. | |
Congratulations, it is 1978. One o'clock News is starting on BBC One, | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
I will be back at the earlier time of 11am tomorrow because of | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
Wimbledon, on BBC Two. Hope to see you then. | :28:51. | :28:52. |