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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.

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The Chairman of the Iraq Inquiry, Sir John Chilcot, says Tony Blair

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was not "straight with the nation" about his decisions in the run

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He's been speaking to the BBC exactly a year after

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As Jeremy Corbyn addresses business leaders we speak to one of Labour's

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biggest donors about the party's relationship with business.

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We've always known about the Conservative's historical

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Now Labour politicians can't agree either.

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First it was ties, now the Parliamentary modernisers have

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something else in their sights, which is really getting

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up the noses of more traditional parliamentarians.

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Yes, when Wimbledon is on we know our place.

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And with us for the whole of the programme today

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is John Mills, businessman, economist, Labour donor

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Quite unlike eclectic mix, an unusual combination. It is a bit.

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Are you still given the election did not produce the result that Theresa

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May wanted are you confident that Brexit is going to happen? It is

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going to be more difficult. The government had a pretty clear way

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ahead coming out of the single market and the customs union,

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negotiating a free trade deal, but to get their Britain has to be

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prepared if it could not get a reasonable deal to walk away and

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trade on WTO terms and I do not think WTO terms would get through

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Parliament so it weakens our position. A huge chunk of the

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Parliamentary Labour Party is for the remain. We saw 50 rebels last

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week for an Amendment. Is not one of the things that helps Theresa Maythe

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fact that Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell asked on she was kept the?

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Historically they have been. They have been under enormous pressure to

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draw the line on the general line the Labour Party has taken and I

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think they are not exactly trapped but held in that position. Their

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capacity for manoeuvre is quite limited. On the crucial issue of

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membership of the single market as opposed to access, many, like Chuka

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Umunna, want to still be members of the single market. Jeremy Corbyn and

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John McDonnell are not arguing that. Although they would not say so in

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public they are closer to the government's position that we can be

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members but we need to try to get as much access as possible. That is

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right. You cannot be outside the European Union and still have free

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movement of goods and particularly... That Chuka Umunna is

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asking for. Trade is a different matter. That is the access part that

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is very important. After seven years in the making

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the Chilcot Inquiry into the Iraq war was finally published this time

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last year, and it made rather uncomfortable

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reading for Tony Blair. Now a year on Sir John Chilcot spoke

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exclusively to the BBC about the report, and yet again

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Mr Blair is likely to be feeling The Chilcot Inquiry was announced

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in 2009 by the then Prime Minister Gordon Brown

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with the remit to "identify Among the findings the report found

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that military action was in fact not the last resort and other peaceful

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means could have been tried first. The inquiry went on to say

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in March 2003 Saddam Hussein was not an imminent threat,

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arguing the intelligence had "not established beyond doubt" that Iraq

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had continued to produce chemical weapons and that the legal

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basis for military action In terms of the aftermath of the war

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the inquiry found the planning and Speaking exclusively to the BBC

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today Sir John said Tony Blair was "not straight with the nation"

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about his decision to go to war and argued that the former

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Prime Minister made the case "pinning it

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on belief, not on the fact". Let's take a quick look at some

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of Laura's interview. I hesitate to say this but I think

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it was from his perspective and standpoint emotionally truthful and

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I think that came out in his press conference after the launch

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statement. He was under very great emotional pressure during those

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sessions, far more than the committee. He was suffering. He was

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deeply engaged. In that state of mind than mood you fall back on your

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instinctive skills and reactions I think. He was relying therefore on a

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motion of fact? Both. I'm joined now by Conservative MP

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John Baron, who voted And Matthew Doyle is a former

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special adviser to Tony Blair The quote that makes the headlines,

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not straight with the nation, referring to Tony Blair, many people

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will be watching and say why did John Chilcote not say this at the

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time? In a way he did. He made it clear in his report that the

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peaceful options had not been exhausted at the time before

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committing troops to war and given that committing troops to what is

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the most serious Acte Parliament can take many of us said there was not

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enough evidence at the time. Which is why a good number of others voted

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against. Did he pull his punches the way Rob Butler dead? Is this a

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typical senior British civil servant who wants to have it both ways? Does

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the reporter does not make too many waves and a year later gives the

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colour quote. I would suggest that had come out at the time the report

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would be much more devastating. Personally I think the reporters

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devastating anyway. If you read the report at the time, which we all

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did, it was clear that despite good intentions there was not evidence.

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We went to war on a false premise. All peaceful options had not been

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exhausted and there was the shambles afterwards. That was laid out. Maybe

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Sir John Chilcot feels he had to clarify that but for many of us it

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was in black and white. Not straight with the nation, that is the damning

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criticism. It is the bit you have chosen to take out of the interview

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to run as a story. You could also look at the fact he said that Tony

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Blair had not departed from the truth. You could have chosen that as

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your headline. You could have referred to what he said that the

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liaison committee in 2016 when he said he absorbed Tony Blair from any

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charge of misleading Parliament or the public. What does he mean by not

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straight with the nation? Is he saying contradictory things? He is

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talking much more about the style than the substance under way in

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which Tony Blair addressed the hearings. He referred to the

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emotions of it. It is hardly surprising that an elected

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politician is going to take a different approach to these things

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than a senior civil servant but on the point of substance the thing we

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have learned from the Chilcot interview is that Tony Blair went to

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the chair of the joint intelligence committee on the evil four and said

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it is this beyond reasonable doubt? The chair said it was and Chilcot

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says Tony Blair was entitled to believe that. Indeed. He went to the

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chair of the joint intelligence committee, the most senior

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intelligence officer in this country, can you tell me beyond

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reasonable doubt that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction? The

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answer was yes I can. Even Chilcot says he was entitled to rely on

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that. Yes. But we went to war on false premise. There were no weapons

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mass destruction. We also have to look at the evidence presented to us

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on the day. We all remember the dodgy dossier and the evidence or

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lack of it. There was a lack of concrete evidence with regard to

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WMD. That is not that the head of the joint intelligence committee

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told him. You cannot blame Tony Blair for him being wrong. You ask

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questions that you want a positive answer to in some respect and you go

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hunting for those. The most senior intelligence officer at the time

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simply told Tony Blair what he wanted to hear? If you look at what

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evidence that exchange was based on, what evidence was actually there

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available to the intelligence services, it was not enough to make

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the case for war. Many of us looked at that evidence in very close

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detail under was hardly any there. The spin doctors had a field day. It

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is not true to say there was no evidence. There was international

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consensus that Saddam had an active WMD programme. That sadly turned out

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not to be the case. Focus on the substance of the report rather than

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trying to start with conspiracy theories about what was agreed when

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and all the rest of it. I do not think we have mentioned any of that.

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The fundamentals of the report that have not changed, volume one

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concludes there was no secret deal in April 2000 and two. William four

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concludes the intelligence was not used in a false or misleading way.

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The cabinet was not deceived or misled. Focus on the substance. Let

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us look at the evidence. The United Nations at the end of the day made

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it very clear and Chilcot referred to this that the were not going to

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give it carte blanche, they wanted the arms specialist to do their time

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and complete their role which they never did. They could not find the

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WMD because they were not there. The UN did not claim at the time there

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was no WMD. They asked for more time. You have to base your

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interventions on some sort of legitimacy otherwise we are going to

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be living... In a world where you intervene... Whether it was right or

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wrong or whether Tony Blair believes there was WMD or not,... You cannot

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dismiss it like that. We know these statements were truthful at the

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time. They turned out not to be true. He may have believed them to

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be true. Only he knows that. That is not semantics. The fact is, there

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was no WMD and secondly we had no real preparations for rebuilding a

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country that we were invading, which in a sense seems to me, that is a

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more damning criticism, because you could have done something, you could

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be genuinely wrong about WMD but you cannot invade... When you look at

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the plans this country made with America for the rebuilding of

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Germany after 1945, it was made a mile from here,... It was wrong in

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the end. No question. There was clearly a sell you are in the

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planning. I mean the invasion was wrong. That is a different argument

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whether you believe it was right to get rid of Saddam Hussein and his

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two sons. There is always a consequence to not taking action.

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Libya, where we did something. Syria, we have done nothing. Iraq,

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we have done a lot. I will come back to these. In all of those

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interventions you could argue we have failed because we have not

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created a stable democracy and Libyan intervention has not worked.

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Iraq, the evidence was exceptionally thin, this was reflected in the

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United Nations who were urging caution because there was weapons

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inspectors who had not been given enough time. We were marching to an

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American military timetable and there were no WMD and the

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follow-through was a disaster. We should have learned the lessons of

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1945 and instead we disbanded the infrastructure around the country

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went into shambles. People on both sides of this argument are always on

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lessons to be learned but as I look at Iraq, where we intervened and

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occupied, a mess. Libya, we intervened but did not occupy, a

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mess. Syria, we have not really intervened or occupied, a mess. What

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other lessons? It is difficult to drop any conclusions about the best

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thing to do in these circumstances. My view about the Iraq war at the

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time was I was against that not because I was concerned about

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principles of getting United Nations support, it just seemed to me to be

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a risky enterprise, I'm clear what the outcome was going to be or what

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would be achieved. Too risky. On the hole that was a good reason for not

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supporting the war. I think you have to leave open the

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possibility of limited intervention. The lesson from Iraq and subsequent

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interventions is that these large interventions in the hope we will

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create a liberal democracy, we've got to be very careful about that

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because one we don't have the resources, two the intelligence is

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usually bad and we don't plan thoroughly. Brief and final word, we

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only have a half-hour programme. Let's look at the substance of the

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report rather than what John Chilcot has said today which is more about

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style. Don't forget in this interview John Chilcot said Tony

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Blair did not depart from the truth and that is fundamental. Good to

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face both of you at once, thank you both very much.

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This morning Jeremy Corbyn has been addressing the British Chambers

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In his speech he says Labour must embrace technological

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change and that he wasn't a "doom-monger" about mechanisation.

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Jobs have and would continue to be "lost, replaced

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After the election Labour may be on a high, but are they now trusted

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Ellie has been taking a look at Labour's tricky

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In 1998 Peter Mandelson said he was intensely relaxed about people

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getting filthy rich. But he did add as long as they pay taxes. It was a

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phrase that rightly or wrongly would come to symbolise new Labour's

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approach to big business. But the wooing of the city began long before

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Tony Blair, in what critics called the proper cocktail offensive. Never

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have so many crustaceans died in vain. In the mid-80s Neil Kinnock

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set up regional policy Forum on a Friday afternoon when members of the

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front bench would meet with people in the business community. By 1983

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when I became leader the party had gained a reputation because of its

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internal conduct for being reckless and feckless. We knew it was no good

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just trying a charm offensive, or to try and do it through propaganda, it

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had to do with substance. So very early on we started developing very

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practical prosaic policies for the improvement of industrial training,

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the financing of infrastructure, the encouragement of research and

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development and new technology. And our task then was to communicate

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that to the people who were making decisions. Labourers close

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relationship with business was a key part of the party 's success in the

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late 90s and 2000's but it began to be criticised as too close. By the

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time Ed Miliband made this speech in 2011 the rhetoric had changed.

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Growth is built on sand if it comes from predators and not our

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producers. The former CBI chief described that as a divisive kick in

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the teeth for business. But there was more than a nod in this years

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Labour manifesto some of Ed Miliband's policies. We are asking

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the better off under big corporations to pay a little bit

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more. So what the business think of that? A lot of what got the

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attention were comments around nationalisation, deep intervention

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in business and the message coming out of that is government is going

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to be bigger and more visible and that is a hard sell to business

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people. But on the other hand would you have got our specific

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commitments around business rates and reforming local business

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taxation on vocational education, guaranteeing residency rights for EU

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nationals so it's a much more nuanced picture. But do voters even

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mind if Labour policy is not overtly pro-business? The pendulum swung in

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the other direction, zero-hour contracts, I think, I don't think

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trade unions are the biggest problem in the workplace today, it's more

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likely to be an overbearing manager so I think the pendulum has swung

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more in the direction of the left on these issues and you can see that in

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the way Theresa May has changed her standards converter David Cameron.

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People applaud the policies are sensible, necessary and realistic,

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the components of policy, Jeremy and John McDonnell have yet to get the

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credibility that will give that the assurance to working class people as

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well as owners and investors that this is the core of the policy. It

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is patriotic, it's practical, it will be implemented, it's for sure.

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And our guest of the day, John Mills, is an entrepreneur,

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If you are in business and you are working really hard every hour God

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sends to build things up, accumulate wealth for yourself and your family

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through hard work, why would you vote for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

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Party? Why would you vote Conservative? The trouble is both

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parties don't have clear idea about how to get the economy to grow fast,

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we have low levels of investment. But I have got you today so let's

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stick with Labour, you raise a good point that a lot of business people

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do not bind the Conservative Party business friendly at the moment and

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if you were a Tory that is what I would ask but I'm here to ask you

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about Labour. I don't think the Labour manifesto said a great deal

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about business and I don't think what it was proposing would be a

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huge threat. The crucial thing about the British economy is if we can get

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it to grow better and get living standards up. If you have to choose

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between what Labour are offering and the Conservatives are offering an

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economic policy there is not a huge difference. Labour needs to develop

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sweeter policies to convert the electorate they can get the economy

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to run better and I think that is the big challenge over the next few

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years. Jeremy Corbyn's manifesto was going to add seven percentage points

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to corporation tax so if you are in business he will taxi more on the

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profits. And if you, through your hard work, managed to earn more than

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?80,000 a year everything above that he will take over half of. And

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there's going to be a lot more regulation and controls and state

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intervention. None of that is particularly appealing to business

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is it? I'm not sure it is but I think the country can afford to be

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taxed about more than it is at the moment and there is a strong urge in

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the economy to get a bit more redistribution than we've seen.

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Would you do it the way the manifesto suggested? I would do it

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slightly differently but I think the basic objectives are exactly right.

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Are you now reconciled to Jeremy Corbyn's leadership of the party? He

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did well during the election and I think what is now happening is more

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moderate elements in the party are falling behind him. Or being purged.

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Maybe but I think most will stick around. What needs to be done now is

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fill out the aspirations of the party set out in the manifesto with

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policies which will deliver if the Labour Party becomes elected. So

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what would be top of the list of those policies? I think what we need

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to do is get the growth rate up, get the investment level up. These are

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not policies they are aspirations. My personal view is that the main

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reason the economy is in such bad shape is it is uncompetitive, we

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have got exchange rates which are a lethal for manufacturing so we have

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the industrialised, even as late as 19 seven

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America is 10%. 20% or something. Where? In America, I think it's 13%

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compared to less than 10% here. What has happened is a whole of the

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Western world has the industrialised and this is one of the problems. Are

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you confident Jeremy Corbyn will give more, what word should I use,

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more concern about the needs of business? I think the Labour Party

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understands too clearly that the business world, if it does not

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flourish everything else goes wrong so that's a given that operates

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across all political parties. I don't think the whole business world

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will beat the stabilised by some relatively small increases in

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taxation but the crucial thing across the piece is to get policies

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in place which will produce more economic growth and more equality.

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Rising living standards. Yes, the snuff box was introduced

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over 300 years ago when smoking was first banned in the House of

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Commons. It is the property of

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the Principal Doorkeeper, who personally funds the supply,

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and his name, as well as all his predecessors for the last 70 years,

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is inscribed on the lid. Here are the Clerk of the Commons

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and the Principal Doorkeeper trying it out, from the Inside the Commons

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documentary broadcast last year. The principal doorkeeper Robin Fell

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has worked here for over 40 years and they share a delight in customs

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from the past. Until recently snuff

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was provided free to members. I don't have it as serious, what I

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refer to as weapons grade snuff. And we are joined now

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by Michael Cockerell, How many did you make, two, three?

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Four parts. If the snuff was taken away would anybody noticed today?

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There are a few MPs including a Tory minister who goes to the principal

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doorkeeper and says get the snuff box out. He says it keeps him awake

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for Jeremy Corbyn's questions. Is it good for you? It's not terribly good

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for you but that is what if you take what the principal doorkeeper called

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weapons grade snuff in every couple of hours, that would not be a good

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idea. So it's down to one or two, that's the democratic choice. That's

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right, a box of snuff lasts for two years. Doesn't go bad? Now it's very

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finely milled. Have you tried it? Yes, I was making this film. Just as

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well you're not making a about Colombia! What you make in general

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of not wearing a tie, talk about constituency names, snuff boxes, is

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it right Parliament should move with the times or should we still keep

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things that do no harm in our British tradition? I'm a bit

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schizophrenic about it, I love going to the House of Commons and walking

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through Westminster hall and going back to the time of William the

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Conqueror, you get that feeling but some of it is daft. It passed.

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Snuff? Snuff is harmless. And not too expensive. But there are other

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things in terms of whether an MP should call each other by their name

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you know? Everything has to go through the chair of the house so

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when you say you you are talking to the speaker. That was meant to make

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it more civilised discourse rather than to say you, what do you make of

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it, should we keep these things, good for tourists and tradition or

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should we become thoroughly modern? I think keep some of them but I

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think some of them are getting a bit and don't enhance the prestige of

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the House of Commons and look a bit daft. When you think to the start of

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the days preceding, though bag your seat you have to put down your prey

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card. We are definitely no role for modernisation for good or ill.

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The 1pm news is starting now. I will be back with this week.

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