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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:37. | :00:42. | |
The Chairman of the Iraq Inquiry, Sir John Chilcot, says Tony Blair | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
was not "straight with the nation" about his decisions in the run | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
He's been speaking to the BBC exactly a year after | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
As Jeremy Corbyn addresses business leaders we speak to one of Labour's | :00:53. | :00:59. | |
biggest donors about the party's relationship with business. | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
We've always known about the Conservative's historical | :01:05. | :01:06. | |
Now Labour politicians can't agree either. | :01:07. | :01:09. | |
First it was ties, now the Parliamentary modernisers have | :01:10. | :01:20. | |
something else in their sights, which is really getting | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
up the noses of more traditional parliamentarians. | :01:24. | :01:24. | |
Yes, when Wimbledon is on we know our place. | :01:25. | :01:38. | |
And with us for the whole of the programme today | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
is John Mills, businessman, economist, Labour donor | :01:42. | :01:42. | |
Quite unlike eclectic mix, an unusual combination. It is a bit. | :01:43. | :02:00. | |
Are you still given the election did not produce the result that Theresa | :02:01. | :02:07. | |
May wanted are you confident that Brexit is going to happen? It is | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
going to be more difficult. The government had a pretty clear way | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
ahead coming out of the single market and the customs union, | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
negotiating a free trade deal, but to get their Britain has to be | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
prepared if it could not get a reasonable deal to walk away and | :02:27. | :02:32. | |
trade on WTO terms and I do not think WTO terms would get through | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
Parliament so it weakens our position. A huge chunk of the | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
Parliamentary Labour Party is for the remain. We saw 50 rebels last | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
week for an Amendment. Is not one of the things that helps Theresa Maythe | :02:48. | :02:55. | |
fact that Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell asked on she was kept the? | :02:56. | :03:02. | |
Historically they have been. They have been under enormous pressure to | :03:03. | :03:08. | |
draw the line on the general line the Labour Party has taken and I | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
think they are not exactly trapped but held in that position. Their | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
capacity for manoeuvre is quite limited. On the crucial issue of | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
membership of the single market as opposed to access, many, like Chuka | :03:22. | :03:29. | |
Umunna, want to still be members of the single market. Jeremy Corbyn and | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
John McDonnell are not arguing that. Although they would not say so in | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
public they are closer to the government's position that we can be | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
members but we need to try to get as much access as possible. That is | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
right. You cannot be outside the European Union and still have free | :03:49. | :03:59. | |
movement of goods and particularly... That Chuka Umunna is | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
asking for. Trade is a different matter. That is the access part that | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
is very important. After seven years in the making | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
the Chilcot Inquiry into the Iraq war was finally published this time | :04:11. | :04:12. | |
last year, and it made rather uncomfortable | :04:13. | :04:15. | |
reading for Tony Blair. Now a year on Sir John Chilcot spoke | :04:16. | :04:17. | |
exclusively to the BBC about the report, and yet again | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
Mr Blair is likely to be feeling The Chilcot Inquiry was announced | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
in 2009 by the then Prime Minister Gordon Brown | :04:25. | :04:32. | |
with the remit to "identify Among the findings the report found | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
that military action was in fact not the last resort and other peaceful | :04:35. | :04:43. | |
means could have been tried first. The inquiry went on to say | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
in March 2003 Saddam Hussein was not an imminent threat, | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
arguing the intelligence had "not established beyond doubt" that Iraq | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
had continued to produce chemical weapons and that the legal | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
basis for military action In terms of the aftermath of the war | :05:03. | :05:04. | |
the inquiry found the planning and Speaking exclusively to the BBC | :05:05. | :05:12. | |
today Sir John said Tony Blair was "not straight with the nation" | :05:13. | :05:20. | |
about his decision to go to war and argued that the former | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
Prime Minister made the case "pinning it | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
on belief, not on the fact". Let's take a quick look at some | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
of Laura's interview. I hesitate to say this but I think | :05:33. | :05:44. | |
it was from his perspective and standpoint emotionally truthful and | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
I think that came out in his press conference after the launch | :05:49. | :05:55. | |
statement. He was under very great emotional pressure during those | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
sessions, far more than the committee. He was suffering. He was | :06:01. | :06:05. | |
deeply engaged. In that state of mind than mood you fall back on your | :06:06. | :06:12. | |
instinctive skills and reactions I think. He was relying therefore on a | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
motion of fact? Both. I'm joined now by Conservative MP | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
John Baron, who voted And Matthew Doyle is a former | :06:23. | :06:24. | |
special adviser to Tony Blair The quote that makes the headlines, | :06:25. | :06:42. | |
not straight with the nation, referring to Tony Blair, many people | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
will be watching and say why did John Chilcote not say this at the | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
time? In a way he did. He made it clear in his report that the | :06:53. | :06:55. | |
peaceful options had not been exhausted at the time before | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
committing troops to war and given that committing troops to what is | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
the most serious Acte Parliament can take many of us said there was not | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
enough evidence at the time. Which is why a good number of others voted | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
against. Did he pull his punches the way Rob Butler dead? Is this a | :07:12. | :07:19. | |
typical senior British civil servant who wants to have it both ways? Does | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
the reporter does not make too many waves and a year later gives the | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
colour quote. I would suggest that had come out at the time the report | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
would be much more devastating. Personally I think the reporters | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
devastating anyway. If you read the report at the time, which we all | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
did, it was clear that despite good intentions there was not evidence. | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
We went to war on a false premise. All peaceful options had not been | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
exhausted and there was the shambles afterwards. That was laid out. Maybe | :07:53. | :07:59. | |
Sir John Chilcot feels he had to clarify that but for many of us it | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
was in black and white. Not straight with the nation, that is the damning | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
criticism. It is the bit you have chosen to take out of the interview | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
to run as a story. You could also look at the fact he said that Tony | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
Blair had not departed from the truth. You could have chosen that as | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
your headline. You could have referred to what he said that the | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
liaison committee in 2016 when he said he absorbed Tony Blair from any | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
charge of misleading Parliament or the public. What does he mean by not | :08:31. | :08:36. | |
straight with the nation? Is he saying contradictory things? He is | :08:37. | :08:42. | |
talking much more about the style than the substance under way in | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
which Tony Blair addressed the hearings. He referred to the | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
emotions of it. It is hardly surprising that an elected | :08:51. | :08:52. | |
politician is going to take a different approach to these things | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
than a senior civil servant but on the point of substance the thing we | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
have learned from the Chilcot interview is that Tony Blair went to | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
the chair of the joint intelligence committee on the evil four and said | :09:06. | :09:11. | |
it is this beyond reasonable doubt? The chair said it was and Chilcot | :09:12. | :09:18. | |
says Tony Blair was entitled to believe that. Indeed. He went to the | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
chair of the joint intelligence committee, the most senior | :09:26. | :09:27. | |
intelligence officer in this country, can you tell me beyond | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
reasonable doubt that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction? The | :09:33. | :09:39. | |
answer was yes I can. Even Chilcot says he was entitled to rely on | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
that. Yes. But we went to war on false premise. There were no weapons | :09:46. | :09:52. | |
mass destruction. We also have to look at the evidence presented to us | :09:53. | :09:57. | |
on the day. We all remember the dodgy dossier and the evidence or | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
lack of it. There was a lack of concrete evidence with regard to | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
WMD. That is not that the head of the joint intelligence committee | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
told him. You cannot blame Tony Blair for him being wrong. You ask | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
questions that you want a positive answer to in some respect and you go | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
hunting for those. The most senior intelligence officer at the time | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
simply told Tony Blair what he wanted to hear? If you look at what | :10:28. | :10:34. | |
evidence that exchange was based on, what evidence was actually there | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
available to the intelligence services, it was not enough to make | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
the case for war. Many of us looked at that evidence in very close | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
detail under was hardly any there. The spin doctors had a field day. It | :10:46. | :10:53. | |
is not true to say there was no evidence. There was international | :10:54. | :10:59. | |
consensus that Saddam had an active WMD programme. That sadly turned out | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
not to be the case. Focus on the substance of the report rather than | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
trying to start with conspiracy theories about what was agreed when | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
and all the rest of it. I do not think we have mentioned any of that. | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
The fundamentals of the report that have not changed, volume one | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
concludes there was no secret deal in April 2000 and two. William four | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
concludes the intelligence was not used in a false or misleading way. | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
The cabinet was not deceived or misled. Focus on the substance. Let | :11:33. | :11:39. | |
us look at the evidence. The United Nations at the end of the day made | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
it very clear and Chilcot referred to this that the were not going to | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
give it carte blanche, they wanted the arms specialist to do their time | :11:49. | :11:51. | |
and complete their role which they never did. They could not find the | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
WMD because they were not there. The UN did not claim at the time there | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
was no WMD. They asked for more time. You have to base your | :12:03. | :12:08. | |
interventions on some sort of legitimacy otherwise we are going to | :12:09. | :12:15. | |
be living... In a world where you intervene... Whether it was right or | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
wrong or whether Tony Blair believes there was WMD or not,... You cannot | :12:22. | :12:30. | |
dismiss it like that. We know these statements were truthful at the | :12:31. | :12:33. | |
time. They turned out not to be true. He may have believed them to | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
be true. Only he knows that. That is not semantics. The fact is, there | :12:40. | :12:50. | |
was no WMD and secondly we had no real preparations for rebuilding a | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
country that we were invading, which in a sense seems to me, that is a | :12:56. | :13:02. | |
more damning criticism, because you could have done something, you could | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
be genuinely wrong about WMD but you cannot invade... When you look at | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
the plans this country made with America for the rebuilding of | :13:12. | :13:17. | |
Germany after 1945, it was made a mile from here,... It was wrong in | :13:18. | :13:25. | |
the end. No question. There was clearly a sell you are in the | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
planning. I mean the invasion was wrong. That is a different argument | :13:30. | :13:35. | |
whether you believe it was right to get rid of Saddam Hussein and his | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
two sons. There is always a consequence to not taking action. | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
Libya, where we did something. Syria, we have done nothing. Iraq, | :13:45. | :13:50. | |
we have done a lot. I will come back to these. In all of those | :13:51. | :13:56. | |
interventions you could argue we have failed because we have not | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
created a stable democracy and Libyan intervention has not worked. | :14:02. | :14:08. | |
Iraq, the evidence was exceptionally thin, this was reflected in the | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
United Nations who were urging caution because there was weapons | :14:14. | :14:15. | |
inspectors who had not been given enough time. We were marching to an | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
American military timetable and there were no WMD and the | :14:22. | :14:24. | |
follow-through was a disaster. We should have learned the lessons of | :14:25. | :14:30. | |
1945 and instead we disbanded the infrastructure around the country | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
went into shambles. People on both sides of this argument are always on | :14:36. | :14:38. | |
lessons to be learned but as I look at Iraq, where we intervened and | :14:39. | :14:48. | |
occupied, a mess. Libya, we intervened but did not occupy, a | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
mess. Syria, we have not really intervened or occupied, a mess. What | :14:54. | :15:00. | |
other lessons? It is difficult to drop any conclusions about the best | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
thing to do in these circumstances. My view about the Iraq war at the | :15:05. | :15:10. | |
time was I was against that not because I was concerned about | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
principles of getting United Nations support, it just seemed to me to be | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
a risky enterprise, I'm clear what the outcome was going to be or what | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
would be achieved. Too risky. On the hole that was a good reason for not | :15:25. | :15:26. | |
supporting the war. I think you have to leave open the | :15:27. | :15:37. | |
possibility of limited intervention. The lesson from Iraq and subsequent | :15:38. | :15:41. | |
interventions is that these large interventions in the hope we will | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
create a liberal democracy, we've got to be very careful about that | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
because one we don't have the resources, two the intelligence is | :15:51. | :15:53. | |
usually bad and we don't plan thoroughly. Brief and final word, we | :15:54. | :16:00. | |
only have a half-hour programme. Let's look at the substance of the | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
report rather than what John Chilcot has said today which is more about | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
style. Don't forget in this interview John Chilcot said Tony | :16:10. | :16:12. | |
Blair did not depart from the truth and that is fundamental. Good to | :16:13. | :16:18. | |
face both of you at once, thank you both very much. | :16:19. | :16:21. | |
This morning Jeremy Corbyn has been addressing the British Chambers | :16:22. | :16:23. | |
In his speech he says Labour must embrace technological | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
change and that he wasn't a "doom-monger" about mechanisation. | :16:27. | :16:29. | |
Jobs have and would continue to be "lost, replaced | :16:30. | :16:31. | |
After the election Labour may be on a high, but are they now trusted | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
Ellie has been taking a look at Labour's tricky | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
In 1998 Peter Mandelson said he was intensely relaxed about people | :16:41. | :16:53. | |
getting filthy rich. But he did add as long as they pay taxes. It was a | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
phrase that rightly or wrongly would come to symbolise new Labour's | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
approach to big business. But the wooing of the city began long before | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
Tony Blair, in what critics called the proper cocktail offensive. Never | :17:09. | :17:14. | |
have so many crustaceans died in vain. In the mid-80s Neil Kinnock | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
set up regional policy Forum on a Friday afternoon when members of the | :17:20. | :17:22. | |
front bench would meet with people in the business community. By 1983 | :17:23. | :17:29. | |
when I became leader the party had gained a reputation because of its | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
internal conduct for being reckless and feckless. We knew it was no good | :17:34. | :17:40. | |
just trying a charm offensive, or to try and do it through propaganda, it | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
had to do with substance. So very early on we started developing very | :17:47. | :17:53. | |
practical prosaic policies for the improvement of industrial training, | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
the financing of infrastructure, the encouragement of research and | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
development and new technology. And our task then was to communicate | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
that to the people who were making decisions. Labourers close | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
relationship with business was a key part of the party 's success in the | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
late 90s and 2000's but it began to be criticised as too close. By the | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
time Ed Miliband made this speech in 2011 the rhetoric had changed. | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
Growth is built on sand if it comes from predators and not our | :18:25. | :18:30. | |
producers. The former CBI chief described that as a divisive kick in | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
the teeth for business. But there was more than a nod in this years | :18:35. | :18:41. | |
Labour manifesto some of Ed Miliband's policies. We are asking | :18:42. | :18:43. | |
the better off under big corporations to pay a little bit | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
more. So what the business think of that? A lot of what got the | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
attention were comments around nationalisation, deep intervention | :18:54. | :18:55. | |
in business and the message coming out of that is government is going | :18:56. | :19:01. | |
to be bigger and more visible and that is a hard sell to business | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
people. But on the other hand would you have got our specific | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
commitments around business rates and reforming local business | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
taxation on vocational education, guaranteeing residency rights for EU | :19:14. | :19:18. | |
nationals so it's a much more nuanced picture. But do voters even | :19:19. | :19:25. | |
mind if Labour policy is not overtly pro-business? The pendulum swung in | :19:26. | :19:28. | |
the other direction, zero-hour contracts, I think, I don't think | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
trade unions are the biggest problem in the workplace today, it's more | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
likely to be an overbearing manager so I think the pendulum has swung | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
more in the direction of the left on these issues and you can see that in | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
the way Theresa May has changed her standards converter David Cameron. | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
People applaud the policies are sensible, necessary and realistic, | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
the components of policy, Jeremy and John McDonnell have yet to get the | :19:57. | :20:04. | |
credibility that will give that the assurance to working class people as | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
well as owners and investors that this is the core of the policy. It | :20:10. | :20:16. | |
is patriotic, it's practical, it will be implemented, it's for sure. | :20:17. | :20:18. | |
And our guest of the day, John Mills, is an entrepreneur, | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
If you are in business and you are working really hard every hour God | :20:22. | :20:31. | |
sends to build things up, accumulate wealth for yourself and your family | :20:32. | :20:37. | |
through hard work, why would you vote for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour | :20:38. | :20:43. | |
Party? Why would you vote Conservative? The trouble is both | :20:44. | :20:46. | |
parties don't have clear idea about how to get the economy to grow fast, | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
we have low levels of investment. But I have got you today so let's | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
stick with Labour, you raise a good point that a lot of business people | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
do not bind the Conservative Party business friendly at the moment and | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
if you were a Tory that is what I would ask but I'm here to ask you | :21:03. | :21:14. | |
about Labour. I don't think the Labour manifesto said a great deal | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
about business and I don't think what it was proposing would be a | :21:19. | :21:20. | |
huge threat. The crucial thing about the British economy is if we can get | :21:21. | :21:23. | |
it to grow better and get living standards up. If you have to choose | :21:24. | :21:26. | |
between what Labour are offering and the Conservatives are offering an | :21:27. | :21:28. | |
economic policy there is not a huge difference. Labour needs to develop | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
sweeter policies to convert the electorate they can get the economy | :21:32. | :21:34. | |
to run better and I think that is the big challenge over the next few | :21:35. | :21:42. | |
years. Jeremy Corbyn's manifesto was going to add seven percentage points | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
to corporation tax so if you are in business he will taxi more on the | :21:47. | :21:52. | |
profits. And if you, through your hard work, managed to earn more than | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
?80,000 a year everything above that he will take over half of. And | :21:57. | :22:04. | |
there's going to be a lot more regulation and controls and state | :22:05. | :22:08. | |
intervention. None of that is particularly appealing to business | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
is it? I'm not sure it is but I think the country can afford to be | :22:14. | :22:16. | |
taxed about more than it is at the moment and there is a strong urge in | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
the economy to get a bit more redistribution than we've seen. | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
Would you do it the way the manifesto suggested? I would do it | :22:26. | :22:28. | |
slightly differently but I think the basic objectives are exactly right. | :22:29. | :22:35. | |
Are you now reconciled to Jeremy Corbyn's leadership of the party? He | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
did well during the election and I think what is now happening is more | :22:41. | :22:43. | |
moderate elements in the party are falling behind him. Or being purged. | :22:44. | :22:51. | |
Maybe but I think most will stick around. What needs to be done now is | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
fill out the aspirations of the party set out in the manifesto with | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
policies which will deliver if the Labour Party becomes elected. So | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
what would be top of the list of those policies? I think what we need | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
to do is get the growth rate up, get the investment level up. These are | :23:11. | :23:17. | |
not policies they are aspirations. My personal view is that the main | :23:18. | :23:20. | |
reason the economy is in such bad shape is it is uncompetitive, we | :23:21. | :23:27. | |
have got exchange rates which are a lethal for manufacturing so we have | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
the industrialised, even as late as 19 seven | :23:32. | :23:39. | |
America is 10%. 20% or something. Where? In America, I think it's 13% | :23:40. | :23:56. | |
compared to less than 10% here. What has happened is a whole of the | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
Western world has the industrialised and this is one of the problems. Are | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
you confident Jeremy Corbyn will give more, what word should I use, | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
more concern about the needs of business? I think the Labour Party | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
understands too clearly that the business world, if it does not | :24:15. | :24:16. | |
flourish everything else goes wrong so that's a given that operates | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
across all political parties. I don't think the whole business world | :24:22. | :24:25. | |
will beat the stabilised by some relatively small increases in | :24:26. | :24:28. | |
taxation but the crucial thing across the piece is to get policies | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
in place which will produce more economic growth and more equality. | :24:33. | :24:35. | |
Rising living standards. Yes, the snuff box was introduced | :24:36. | :24:56. | |
over 300 years ago when smoking was first banned in the House of | :24:57. | :24:59. | |
Commons. It is the property of | :25:00. | :25:01. | |
the Principal Doorkeeper, who personally funds the supply, | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
and his name, as well as all his predecessors for the last 70 years, | :25:07. | :25:10. | |
is inscribed on the lid. Here are the Clerk of the Commons | :25:11. | :25:13. | |
and the Principal Doorkeeper trying it out, from the Inside the Commons | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
documentary broadcast last year. The principal doorkeeper Robin Fell | :25:17. | :25:19. | |
has worked here for over 40 years and they share a delight in customs | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
from the past. Until recently snuff | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
was provided free to members. I don't have it as serious, what I | :25:29. | :25:38. | |
refer to as weapons grade snuff. And we are joined now | :25:39. | :25:48. | |
by Michael Cockerell, How many did you make, two, three? | :25:49. | :26:09. | |
Four parts. If the snuff was taken away would anybody noticed today? | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
There are a few MPs including a Tory minister who goes to the principal | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
doorkeeper and says get the snuff box out. He says it keeps him awake | :26:20. | :26:31. | |
for Jeremy Corbyn's questions. Is it good for you? It's not terribly good | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
for you but that is what if you take what the principal doorkeeper called | :26:36. | :26:44. | |
weapons grade snuff in every couple of hours, that would not be a good | :26:45. | :26:50. | |
idea. So it's down to one or two, that's the democratic choice. That's | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
right, a box of snuff lasts for two years. Doesn't go bad? Now it's very | :26:57. | :27:05. | |
finely milled. Have you tried it? Yes, I was making this film. Just as | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
well you're not making a about Colombia! What you make in general | :27:10. | :27:19. | |
of not wearing a tie, talk about constituency names, snuff boxes, is | :27:20. | :27:22. | |
it right Parliament should move with the times or should we still keep | :27:23. | :27:29. | |
things that do no harm in our British tradition? I'm a bit | :27:30. | :27:32. | |
schizophrenic about it, I love going to the House of Commons and walking | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
through Westminster hall and going back to the time of William the | :27:38. | :27:39. | |
Conqueror, you get that feeling but some of it is daft. It passed. | :27:40. | :27:51. | |
Snuff? Snuff is harmless. And not too expensive. But there are other | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
things in terms of whether an MP should call each other by their name | :27:56. | :28:00. | |
you know? Everything has to go through the chair of the house so | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
when you say you you are talking to the speaker. That was meant to make | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
it more civilised discourse rather than to say you, what do you make of | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
it, should we keep these things, good for tourists and tradition or | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
should we become thoroughly modern? I think keep some of them but I | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
think some of them are getting a bit and don't enhance the prestige of | :28:23. | :28:28. | |
the House of Commons and look a bit daft. When you think to the start of | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
the days preceding, though bag your seat you have to put down your prey | :28:33. | :28:38. | |
card. We are definitely no role for modernisation for good or ill. | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
The 1pm news is starting now. I will be back with this week. | :28:43. | :29:02. | |
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