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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics.


We've reached the end of the first full round of Brexit


As we come on air, chief negotiators David Davis and Michel Barnier


Barring any last-minute upsets, Vince Cable looks set to be


crowned the new king of the Liberal Democrats,


so what next for the party and why didn't anyone else want the job?


MPs leave Westmister for the summer recess today,


but can you always believe what they claim they're getting up


Everybody that's actually going to go to Aruba or something


is pretending that they're actually going to go to Aberystwyth.


And we've given up asking the pollsters or the pundits


what next for politics, so today we'll see if the fortunes


of the party leaders are written in the stars.


Even the music is running out of steam!


Yes, I forsee all of that next hour of this final Daily Politics


before Parliament rises for the summer recess.


And I'm joined for all of it by two MPs who behave like it's the end


of term most of the time anyway - it's Labour's David Lammy


First today, the new leader of Kensington and Chelsea Council


in London was officially appointed at a meeting last night,


she's taken over following the fire at the Grenfell Tower


Elizabeth Campbell said she was "deeply sorry" for the grief


and trauma caused by the fire, which left at least 80


But the council has been accused of being slow to respond


and re-house residents, and many members of the public


Councillor Campbell, would you like to address the chamber?


The victims of this tragedy have been let down. We did not cope well


enough in our initial response to the tragedy, and I know that you


have heard me apologise for our inadequate response. Tonight I


reiterate that apology to you directly. No ifs, no buts, no


excuses. So that is the new leader of


Kensington Council. There were protests in the gallery last night.


David Lammy, you have been vocal in your response, is the council now


getting a grip? They have got to, because in the end they are directly


responsible for the people of North Kensington, so they've got to get a


grip and do that with huge support from the Government. My own view is


that there should have been commissioners brought in. You think


the council should have been forced to step aside? I think so, because


there is a view that the council is too small to cope with this crisis.


But she was right to apologise and we have to move forward. In the


weeks in the aftermath, Ed Vaizey, of the Grenfell Tower tragedy, aided


seems that in Kensington Council you had to have a double-barrelled name


and looked totally out of your depth. There was a case the central


government taking over. And I think Elizabeth Campbell has apologised


and made that point. I don't think the council itself has to be


disbanded and replaced with commissioners, but it is clear that


a small council like this, any council, regardless of political


control, single barrelled names double-barrelled names, couldn't


have coped with this terrible, unprecedented tragedy. So the


Government should have stepped in sooner, and it has now stepped in.


And the London mayor lays a key role as well. But clearly it is a


national tragedy which deserves a national response, which is now


happening. The central government response, Mrs May apologised and


there was clearly something wrong with the central government response


as well. I don't think anyone is going to shy away from the fact that


the powers that be didn't get it in the first few days after it


happened, what a tragedy this was on the scale of the response. David


Lammy, do you still claim that the official death toll is far too low?


Andrew, I never claimed. What I sought to do and continue to speak


to do is speak for the victims and survivors, many of whom I know and


you know I lost a friend. It came at last night. People watched people


jumping out of windows. People knew their neighbours in this tight-knit


community, and they don't recognise the number of 80. Police have


confirmed that that is the number. They've said they think the number


will rest at 80, but they have also said there are 23 homes that they


are unsure about, and it is going to take some many months to work out


who was in the building. But you talked about suspicions of a


cover-up, the police I would take it in this situation, they are not part


of the cover-up? You are asking me a question I can't answer. Why would


the police cover it up? What I have said, and I'm clear in this, is that


there have been situations like this in the past, Hillsborough is the one


we all remember most recently, and the truth has taken 30 years to come


out. And I'm afraid many of the folks down there, me included, are


worried, and therefore my job as an elected backbencher in the Labour


Party is to be extra vigilant, extra cautious. Again, you have said the


official death toll is, quite, far, far too low. You have no evidence


for that. My evidence is something you don't have, because I suspect


you haven't spoken to as many victims as I do. With respect, that


is not evidence. Testimony of people who live in the block is pretty good


evidence. It would be evidence in a court of law. We need evidence to


show that the official death toll is far too low. And you don't have


that. Even the victims don't have it. They have their suspicions, and


a stand that, and they are right to be suspicious... Have you had


Cressida Dick on that show and asked that very question? The police have


said, the BBC have asked... Don't turn it back on me. Do you have


evidence that the official death toll is far, far too low, because


you have stated that. Do you have evidence to back it up? Andrew, as a


backbencher, I have spoken to survivors and victims. You have not


put that question to the person in charge, don't put that question to


me. You cannot make official statements like this unless you have


the evidence, otherwise you're just playing politics with a really


difficult, tragic situation. I resent the suggestion that I'm


playing politics when I have a friend that has died, and I'm


concerned that the BBC, your show, has not put the question to the


person in charge, and you are putting the question to me when I'm


speaking on the half of victims. The BBC has interviewed Cressida Dick.


Don't make claims that are untrue. I have seen no interviews with


Cressida Dick on this issue where she has talked about numbers. You


need to talk to TV a bit more, then. You have got it wrong. At least you


are on the show. You have got it wrong. You say I have got it wrong


does not make you right. And it doesn't make


you right. Once again, you are playing politics with a tragic


situation. I am not playing politics, and I resent the


suggestion about this tragedy in which I lost a friend, Andrew. Yes,


that is tragic, and it doesn't mean you get to play politics. The


viewers will make up their mind. That is very cheap. We will move


onto something little lighter. The question for today


is about the Brexit talks Last week we learned that


David Davis' briefcase has been fitted with a device which blocks


electronic signals to protect Now we've learned that


the EU side is worried about eavesdropping,


too - so what have they started Was it a) Hidden cameras b)


Fingerprint scanners c) Invisible At the end of the show,


David and Ed will give Let's stick with those talks


because today marks the conclusion of the first full round of Brexit


negotiations in Brussels The two sides are meeting


for four days each month, and Brexit Secretary


and the EU's Michel Barnier have this morning been talking


about the progress they've made - Mr Davis and Mr Barnier have been


reviewing four days of talks that have taken place


between their negotiating On the table this week have


been the thorny issues of citizen's rights,


the Irish border and Britain's financial


liabilities once we've left. By December this year,


Michel Barnier has the initial discussions to finish,


which may then lead to the start of talks on a new trade deal


with the EU starting Also by the start of 2018


the Government will want to have passed its Repeal Bill


which will convert all EU law into British law,


although opposition parties in both the Commons and the Lords


could stall its progress. By October 2018 Mr Barnier has said


he wants to have an agreement on the UK's exit deal and this


will then be put to a vote in both the Lords and the Commons


before then going to the European Parliament


for approval. Once this happens it's down


to the European Council to endorse the deal and then all being well


the UK will be out of the EU We agree on the need for certainty


on the part of citizens both in the EU and the UK, but we obviously have


different views on how we achieve that. On financial settlement, we


both recognise the importance of sorting out the obligations we have


to one another, both legally and in the spirit of mutual corporation.


We've had a robust but constructive talk. Clearly there is a lot left to


talk about and further work before we can resolve this. Ultimately


getting to a solution will require flexible at you from both sides, but


as Michel said, we shouldn't expect incremental progress in every round.


Let's speak now to our Europe correspondent, Kevin Connolly.


This press conference has just been taking place. What have we learned


so far? I had to tear myself away, so I'm not entirely sure how that is


going to end, but I think the take away from the earlier part of the


conference, which I suppose we can say would have been the message that


they both went in with was that they want to emphasise there has been


progress. Half the issues on citizens rights resolved, so


generally I think a positive take on the first really substantial talks,


getting to know the detail of each other's positions, but also of


course that overall impression that there is a tremendous amount left to


do, and that the obvious difficult issues like the European Court of


Justice are exactly that, obviously difficult and not solved yet. And


somewhere below that kind of mutual note of positivity, just a faint


note of chippiness, I think. David Davis at one point turned to Michel


Barnier and said to him, to coin a phrase, the clock is ticking, that


of course being the phrase that Michel Barnier was using earlier in


the process to imply that Britain was just not getting down to


business, and was underprepared for these talks. Mr Barnier said there


were still fundamental differences on Citizens' rights in the UK and


the EU. That was something they were hoping for progress on, but still


fundamental differences? Yes, the reality of citizens rights is that


it is on two levels, there is the political level, where the European


Union is adamant that the European Court of Justice should retain a


role in all of this and oversee those rights, even for what will be


caught the protective cohorts, the EU citizens currently living in the


UK. That would give the ECJ role in British life, for the future, you


think about people being born this year into a family living in


Britain, possibly for 100 years. And the Theresa May, any role of the ECJ


in Britain is a red line, so they have a big political and legal


problem, but alongside all of that on citizens rights you have these


tremendously conjugated issues about whether people will be able to vote


in local governor to elections in different jurisdictions in future.


What about the rights of posted workers, fun -- frontier workers,


children bought -- born into families where the older children


already have the protections and younger children may not, see you


have both of those sets of difficulties in parallel. Overall


the message is that a lot of progress is being made on a lot of


those issues, and the British viewers that the European idea that


Britain is underprepared is just wrong, but that issue of the ECJ and


its future role looms in the background. Someone is going to have


to give way on that and make a major concession, and it's not really


clear yet who that's going to be. Kevin Connolly, thank you for that.


Bringing us up-to-date on the press conference in Brussels between David


Davis and Michel Barnier. We're joined now by


the former deputy chairman Are our expectations too high? Are


we wrong to expect some kind of breakthrough on major issues at this


stage? Yes, I think our expectations are far too high and that is the


problem I have had with the whole approach to Brexit. The country has


voted to leave the EU and we are going to leave but suddenly the


interpretation of what that means seems to be held by a particular


small cabals of people who say it all has to happen by March, 2019, no


transition, and anything with the E in it or Europe, cannot have a role.


The ECJ will be an independent tribunal adjudicating on matters of


law where we have a continuing relationship with the EU which we


will have if we want to trade and if we want to give European citizens


rights and we want British citizens to have rights in Europe. It can be


tailored, it can have British judges on it, but what worries me is the


ECJ redline, people seem to confuse it with the European Court of Human


Rights. Nothing to do with the EU. Suzanne Evans, and then David Lammy.


It does look now we are heading for quite a long transition period. Let


me take apart a couple of things Ed said. I will take it apart. It is


the EU is that set the timetable, it is no good you complaining about...


It is Article 50. We triggered Article 50 under EU law. Which we


agree to. We are members of the EU. If she is going to take me apart,


she had better do it effectively! We have not even heard from David


Lammy, we will come back to you. 52% of the people voted for it and you


do the voters and your former constituents no good by claiming...


The classic trick of claiming to speak for... We have got sucked into


the quagmire of the EU, it just shows how much sovereignty we have


given away. Do you accept their will in addition to the two-year period


which is now under way under Article 50 that on a number of these issues,


there will now have to be potentially prolonged transition


periods? This is my worry. There is a deadline and we have to meet it.


We do not want this to go on and on forever. It is not in the country's


best interests. The sooner we can break free of the EU, the sooner we


can make our own trade deals and control our own borders and be


certain we are under British law. Do you think we are in for a prolonged


transition deal? If we do not get a transition deal, there is a terrible


cliff edge that while -- that will ruin our economy and jobs. It is a


myth. For business and industry, there is a cliff edge, a lot of


people in Britain will suffer. When you talk about a soft transition,


you mean joining the EAA, all of the things I have just said, is control


of borders, control of immigration, sovereignty of Parliament, that will


not be possible if we stay in the single market. Some of it depends


whether you put that control, the fantasy control, above the economy.


I know the Labour Party thinks... It has promised to control immigration.


I'm in disagreement with the bench on this. But I am saying it is a


very peculiar thing to put immigration above the economy and


without transition, we will crush the economy. Ed Vaizey, people like


Suzanne Evans and people in your own party are suspicious of a long


transition period because they think people like you will use it to be


effectively endless so that we do not me. Exactly. It is a completely


ideological approach to Brexit, completely barmy, takes no account


of people's lives, jobs, British businesses. I am a remainer but we


accept the result, there should be a transition period, we could be part


of the EAA and sensible Brexiteers are coming to that opinion. But the


Suzanne s do not give a monkeys about people's jobs. Quite


extraordinary. It shows your arrogance. Why is it arrogant to...


It is two of you against one. Show some respect and fairness here.


Boeing, yeah! You do not think we should have fairness? -- oh, yeah. I


do not think you showed me fairness earlier. Let us show fairness to


Suzanne So much has still to be decided, there will inevitably loose


ends that will require some kind of transition period now. Do you deny


that? The analogy often given is that of divorce. In some ways, it is


a bad analogy. There are children, the decree nice eye, when it is


absolute, there are inevitably consequences but go on. We have


always said we want to continue a good working relationship with the


EU. The point is we need to do this in a spirit of harmony,


communication, and what is best for our country. Let us be clear, is


leaving the EU and getting a good trade deal in particular will be of


benefit to the EU too. We have to be like responsible parent and discuss


sensibly and look at what is in both our best interests. If you look at


it logically, as a sensible Brexiteer, I do not like the fact


you are saying some of us our sensible or some not depending on


whether we agree with you. There is a potential for this to be in both


our best interests and that is the deal we should be heading for and I


hope that will come out of the press conference today. What would be left


unresolved in a transition period and how long would it be? My view,


my overview, is that we should be members of the EAA for a


transitional period. Transitional time limited... It is the... I am


trying to help people by explaining what bit EAA is. Tell our viewers


what it is and why it would be... The European Economic Area, being


part of the customs union and single market for a transition period to


trade. There is no doubt it would be time limited and we would come out.


What I want to avoid most of all is a cliff edge that takes us out of


the European Union completely in the March, 2019. How long would it take?


I have suggested five years. We remain in the single market and the


customs union... While we work out the free trade deal that we want.


You do not think the deal can be done by March of 2019? I would be


staggered, if I am proved wrong, I am proved wrong... David Lammy, is


that your position too? Would we do like to see a transition in which we


remain in the single market and the customs union? I think it transition


is essential because I absolutely disagree with Suzanne, I see no way


on the timetable in which we can negotiate a free trade deal with


Europe and negotiate our exit. There are too many big things to get


through and you have seen just in this initial week the huge disputes


over the cost of the bill and the huge dispute over what will happen


to EU residents. The idea we can move on the trade is just


impossible. Any lawyer will tell you who has negotiated on trade, it is


impossible. For that reason alone, there has to be transition. Barry


pessimistic. -- very pessimistic. We are in unique circumstances. Most


trade deals negotiated from scratch. This would be a deal which


inevitably would be less free than the current arrangement. Does that


change things in your view? We have already seen what the benefits to us


and the EU are of a free-trade deal because that is effectively what we


have at the moment, it should not be too difficult for responsible adults


to negotiate something very similar. With respect to both of you, start


to be a bit more positive. There is a part of you that thinks you want


Britain to fail on this. That is rubbish. I am not allowed to


interrupt or whatever, but that is incredibly offensive. The idea that


we want Britain to fail is ludicrous. We want to secure British


jobs. Let us agreed that we want British dogs. -- British jobs. Thank


you. If you're someone who always waits


until the last possible day before filling out an application


or your tax return, you'll know how They often wait until the last day


before the summer recess to release details of those tricky decisions


they've been thinking about. They're sometimes even accused


of trying to bury bad I am one of those people so dare I


suggest I have a little bit of sympathy for the Government. The


Government say they are trying to finish things up and the opposition


say they are trying to sneak things out. There are 22 written statements


today trickled out on the Parliament website, generally pretty normal for


this time of year for the end of term, but quite technical stuff. For


example, we find out today from Michael Fallon that one of the


Navy's new frigates will be called HMS Glasgow. Another one, the


transfer rate will remain at 12% in 2019 and 2020. Me neither. It is


significant if you are involved in farming. Interesting nuggets have


come out today for example on the railways. The electrification of the


Midland mainland and parts of the great Western Railway in South Wales


will not be electrified. The Government says it is too avoid


disruptive works that does not need to happen now because of new


technology. But many people hoped it would happen. All of this comes when


yesterday we had the announcement the state pension age will rise to


68 and that will be brought forward. It was always going to be 68 but it


was going to happen nine years later. That will affect 6 million


extra people between 39 and 47. That was pretty controversial, the


Government was accused of trying to sneak out but bad news yesterday. As


ever, Andrew, nothing much gets passed us.


Indeed. Quite right. Thanks for that.


Let's talk now about the race, if that's the right word,


to become the next Liberal Democrat leader, because nominations


for this keenly-watched contest close later today.


You will remember that Tim Farron announced his resignation


from the job last month, saying he felt his Christian


faith was incompatible with leading the party.


Here he is speaking to 5 Live last week.


Well, we've heard about people shedding tears


I'm somebody who does shed tears occasionally if things move me.


Generally not things to do with myself.


Well, actually, no, I completely held it together,


I knew what I was going to do, I made the little statement


in party headquarters, and was about to head off up north,


and I just got this lovely text from my 15-year-old saying,


"I'm very proud of you," and I had a cry then.


But that was more really the fact that it's nice being reminded


So, with nominations closing at 4pm, who are the runners and riders


Well, the first to throw his hat in the ring was the former


seat back from the Conservatives at the general election,


and he's dismissed suggestions that at 74 he is too old for the job.


Yes, Vince was the first and only one of the party's 12 MPs


to say he wanted to stand, so barring any last-minute


upsets, my professional opinion is he's fairly likely to win.


Well, we're joined now by one of those who didn't stand.


She's the party's new Education Spokeswoman, Layla Moran.


Good to see you. Why it has no one else decided to stand? Some people


considered it, I think. In the end, it has to be about who is right at


the time and a number of people thought about it in the context of


young families, for example, and decided it was not the time for them


right now. It has to be a job you want. The answer for a left-wing,


Progressive party that preaches diversity and representing


21st-century Britain is a 74-year-old white guy. Yeah, a


74-year-old white guy who also want other people to have the best


possible opportunity. You have to judge someone on what they do and


not what they looked like. The fact he is older does not matter so long


as he is championing the causes of young people. The fact he is white


does not matter so long as he is championing the causes of minority


backgrounds. I would much rather seen a woman... Why didn't you


stand? I was elected weeks ago, are you mad? That is very flattering. A


lot of MPs have a tradition of going for leadership when people do not


expect it. Maybe next time. Why has no woman decided to stand? I don't


know. I can tell you why I didn't. I was just elected. There are four of


us. That is an issue. We do definitely need more MPs if more are


going to throw their hats into the ring. If you look at the position of


the Lib Dems at the moment from where they were when they joined the


coalition in 2010, it is clearly a long fight back you are going to


have, it is not going to... The last election, you got a few more MPs,


but your share of the vote fell, no breakthrough at all. It will be


several elections before you can re-establish your position. Don't


you need somebody who was going to be there for the duration? Mr cable,


he will be, if this parliament goes its full round, he will be 80 by the


next election, almost. No future in that for you, is there? We will see


where it goes. I bought his book quite early on when I joined the


party, Free Radical. I think there are lots of progressive, young ideas


in that book. The party itself is not just one person and the Liberal


Democrats are very good at having a multitude of people feed into the


direction of the party. I agree with you, it will take us a long time to


come back, but there are signs we are. Vince Cable has said we want to


overtake the Conservatives in our membership, we are not far off, so


we are coming, Ed. The number of MPs customer not yet. You start where


you are strong. We certainly have a strong, young, vigorous membership.


From there, we will get a new crop, myself being one, and we will have


more and more people come forward and I hope the lot of them are women


and from ethnic minority backgrounds. When you go to the


conference which I have done many times... You bought me a drink, I


remember it well. You have to pass the time somehow! It is geriatric


city, isn't it? I would not say so, I was there. That is why I bought


you a drink! If you look at the make-up of 50% of members who have


joined us in the last election, it is a huge number of young people who


have joined the party who are very excited over where we are going.


What about the policy on Brexit under Vincent cable? Will that


change? No, we are proudly pro-European, we always have been


and we stay that way. I think he is taking it even further than Tim


Farron has been, and saying that he doesn't see it happening, and my


first few weeks in the house, I can see how that might work out. Your


new leader, or at least will be at close of play today, he previously


argued against a second referendum on the outcome of the Brexit talks,


but that is still your party's policy? Yes, that is the party


policy and we are strong on that. So he has changed his mind? I don't


know if he said that before, but it is certainly where we stand now, and


it looks like public opinion is coming across. A recent poll showed


that 53% with the increasingly difficult circumstances under which


these talks are taking place, I do think that there is a case, and


increasingly growing case in the eyes of many people, that is to have


a say on what finally comes out of this mess is the right thing to do.


OK. David Lammy, what do you make of the return of Vince Cable? I have


always personally got on with him as a fellow London MP. I think the Lib


Dems need a grown-up, to be honest, and he is definitely a grown-up. He


is seasoned, he has been around Parliament a long time, he knows


what he's doing. These are incredibly difficult times for our


country, and you know, the Lib Dems are currently a small party. I


suspect he's the right person at this time, but I hope that others


who are bit younger will come through in the next short while, the


next period, and we will see those people prominent in his team. I've


got a lot of affection for their position in Europe. Mr Cable...


Don't we call him Sir Vince? You don't get titles on this show. It


may be a stretch of Labour to win an overall majority in another


election, but they could do the largest party. There is room for


deals, negotiation with the Lib Dems, is that not a threat to the


Tories? Might well be room for coalitions. We will fight Labour and


the Lib Dems equally vigorously. I think they are scarred by their


experience of coalition with us, but of course we are going to win the


next election hands down, so it is a hypothetical question. Like you did


last time?! I was one of Vince's ministers in the Department of


business, and I do have a lot of time and respect for him, and I


think he will be a good and effectively do. I want to ask the


question of why the Lib Dems have broken through, and I say that in


the spirit of enquiry. I was surprised at the last election that


they didn't make the kind of breakthrough I thought they might do


with Remain voters perhaps effectively punishing... That was


the strategy, but it didn't seem to... We can't talk you into a


last-minute bid? I'm very flattered, thank you, but no. From you, that is


very flattering. The drinks are on you next time! Absolutely.


The Commons and the Lords rise for summer recess today,


leaving Westminster to the tourists until September.


Of course, MPs have plenty of work to do back home


in their constituencies, but most of them will probably be


taking a holiday too and Theresa May has been telling the Tories to go


Cynics might suggest that's in part so they don't spend the summer


Jeremy Corbyn had a different message.


He told Labour MPs that they needed to help him mount a summer election


He really knows how to enjoy himself.


That's the question Emma Vardy put to MPs.


# We're going where the sun shines brightly


# We're going where the skies are blue


I hope it's a summer of beauty, kindness,


everyone getting on with each other, resolving our differences and trying


Well, everybody has a break, don't they?


Do think the plotting against Theresa May may calm down,


or do you think it's going to rumble on over summer?


I don't think people want to plot against the Prime Minister.


I think what we want to do is have a Government that is driving


forward with a strong agenda as well as dealing with Brexit.


I think everybody needs a summer break.


I don't think MPs are underworked or they take too long


I suppose you would think of me as part of the union


I think a lot of people are heading off.


Everybody that's actually going to go to Aruba or something


is pretending that they're actually going to go to Aberystwyth, because


Are you a sort of cocktails on the beach man, or a walking


Our constituency has some fantastic beaches,


so I suppose I'll be doing a lot of that, walking on the beach.


We've got a food festival in September as well,


But actually, above all, it's just an opportunity


to spend time with residents in the constituency.


And we're joined now by Julia Hobsbawm.


She's the author of a book called Fully Connected -


Surviving and Thriving in an Age of Overload, and she's been


writing about the important of switching off on holiday.


Welcome to the programme. Hello. There is a time of great political


change, Labour hopes there will be a slap election -- snap election. The


Government mired in bricks and negotiations. Is this really a good


time from holiday. Probably not, and even if it is, it is difficult to


do, because Every has got their smartphone, which they need to board


the plane with, or they need their smart maps. 60% of us go online on


our mobiles, so even if we want to disconnect, it's actually really


hard to do. But as you are pointing out, psychologically, we are now


pretty embedded in these networks, and it is very difficult to say,


thanks, I'm taking a break. It is difficult in the sense of just


switching off and not looking at the smartphone or consulting the iPad


while we are away, at least for a period of time. Do you recommend


that we do? I think each person, it is a bit like diet and fitness. You


have to find your own strategy. But having no strategy is a bad idea.


We have infobesity like we have a obesity. It is not easy to do, but I


certainly think that having rules and regulations saying I will be


online for this amount of time per day, or I am going to actually have


some time when I just turn my mobile off. I have a day when I turn my


technology off, and one day a week, I am disconnected. Of course I cheat


sometimes, but I try not to. And it really makes a difference. It really


makes a difference to just read and talk and be face-to-face and not on


Facebook. I would definitely say nobody should be on Facebook over


the holidays. You have to cut the cord. Politicians are exhausted at


the moment. This has been an exhausting period. We all are, we


are all completely overloaded. There is more data now produced in a


single year than in the whole of human history. We are drowning. So


the answer isn't to stuff ourselves with more information, and these


rolling feeds and rolling news make people edgy, so I think that our


social health, as I put it, which is everything to do with how we


connect, you have to, because actually politicians that lack


social health, and I exclude these two fine gentleman, time and time


again you see an absence of social health where people are so


overloaded, they are not making sensible decisions, and they are


tuning out anyway. David Lammy, will you switch your phone off? I think I


want to take Julia as my therapist! This is fantastic. I would


definitely be literally putting the phones in a drawer and chatting


away. And the reason for that is we have had a general election which


went on for a very long time. We have then had a very tough period in


politics, and certainly Grenfell has been at the forefront. I want to


spend time with my wife and kids. I have a three-year-old. I want to


read the Gruffalo, more than once. And that is a very good aim indeed,


but how long will the phones be in the draw? Half an hour!


LAUGHTER I feared you might say that. To be


fair, you have a little luck in the morning after breakfast, and then


you put them away, and there are staff, wonderful staff, who are able


that only, you can be away, and if summary said to me once, if a plane


falls on your constituency, the Prime Minister will deal with it.


Good luck with that! That's true! According to Mr Corbyn, you are


meant to be campaigning in 75 marginal seats. Are we? Yes! He


can't do it all himself. It is going to be minus David Lammy friendlies


two weeks. Didn't you go to the Parliamentary Labour Party meeting


this week? I have to confess I wasn't there. You were looking at


your mobile phone! That is what he said, he said that they are looking


forward to a long recess, but my bad news is that they are not getting


one, that's you, not you personally but Labour MPs, because they have


got to go campaigning. I want to disagree publicly on that. I


honestly think we need a rest, we need a quiet, we need a period where


it is not politics, we are talking about EastEnders or something.


Productivity around the world is stagnant, stress levels are soaring,


so this fully connected life is not yielding the benefits we have been


promised, but we have to want to make behavioural changes, and I'm


reminded about that joke, how many Californian psychoanalysts does it


take to change a light bulb? One, but the light bulb has to want to


change. You have to want to disconnect, or you will find a


million reasons not to. You will want to disconnect, otherwise how


could you continue to plot with fellow Tories against Theresa May? I


hate holidays anywhere! I get so bored on holiday, so my phone comes


out the minute we arrive on holiday, and a good holiday for me is using


my phone and not seeing my children for two weeks. Absolutely perfect. I


would be plotting against Theresa May, but after my row with Suzanne


Evans, I will have to spend the next three months on Twitter batting off


the Ukip is coming for Mr letting my country down. He is a lost cause! He


isn't, he has bought my book and he is halfway through it. He wants to


change, here's the light bulb. I haven't had a chance to read it, I


have been on Twitter! We will leave you to it.


So, assuming MPs do get at least some time off over the summer,


like the rest of us, they'll be looking for a good book to read.


And if they don't fancy the latest Dan Brown,


then luckily for them, the MP Keith Simpson produces an annual


OK, not all of us were on the BBC's talent rich list yesterday,


but who needs Honolulu when you've got the Costa del Thames?


Besides, doesn't matter where you are when your


Making the list this year, three authors whose other


Ann Clwyd's a very personal memoir, Johnny Mercer writes


about his time in Afghanistan, and Chris Bryant critiques


If the process of government is your thing, you're in luck.


There are, for example, three titles which look


into what the Cabinet Secretary does and one about the Prime Minister's


As ever, there are some good reads on the world wars,


from the battlefield of Passchendaele,


the resistance to the Nazis, and turncoat Gestapo agents.


Of course, there are authors who have done plenty of digging


into history and unearthed some real factual gems.


There are diamonds and Romans and husband hunters,


Theresa May told her MPs to relax this summer.


For those who really can't take their minds off


plotting, there is also a book about Machiavelli.


Now, you might need a longer holiday than you thought.


The list covers all sorts of subjects and there are 42


It's pretty heavy going, so you may consider packing a little


There are 40 books on your list, do you present this to your fellow MPs


as a selection or they should read the 40? It is a pick and mix. The


whips like to think they will read the 40. David has just said it


should be fiction and my wife would agree. Every MP invariably says to


me, I do want to read one proper nonfiction book. All I do and I have


read a lot of them is draw a cross-section. You do this every


year? It started ten years ago when I was working with William Hague and


I did it as a joke and it caught on. Have you read all 40? I have read


two thirds. Why are you recommending once you have not read? They are


ones other colleagues have read and I have looked at them and thought, I


am going to get around to reading them. If you had, say, only one book


that you had to recommend. An MP says, I have only time for one book.


What would it be? It would actually be my colleague Johnny Mercer's


book. I always look out for books written by colleagues. Johnny


arrived in 2015, Central office said he would never take a seat off


Labour, he got re-elected, he was a regular soldier. I thought, I knew


what it would be like. I had no idea he was brought up in an incredibly


strict Baptist household. All kinds of problems with his parents.


Eventually went into the army, served three tours in Afghanistan.


He writes brilliantly. He had a very good friend shot next to him which


traumatised him. He decided he would go into politics the Conservative


Party and he has worked hard at it. Afghanistan has dropped off our


vision. Seven, eight years ago, we were all concerned with it. I can


really recommend it. It is pretty earthy. One soldier's story about


brutal combat. It came out at the beginning of the general election


and his agent managed to get it listed and extracts from it in the


Daily Mail in the middle of the election. The list is quite serious.


Quite heavyweight. Don't MPs deserve a bit of light relief as well? Yeah,


they can do that. They can dip into a well-known book shop or go on to


Amazon and get novels. I have... I don't know if it is sexist. Several


female MPs have said to me, including recently a Labour MP,


look, Keith, when is your book list coming out? My husband is pretty


good with the kids on the beach for the first week, but after that, he


wants one heavyweight book to read. What about a history book? I would


recommend One Hot Summer. The author has taken 1858 and it is relevant


because she weaves together three great characters. Disraeli,


Chancellor of the Exchequer, Darwin, Origins Of The Species, 1858, he


rushed it out, and Dickens, going through a rather messy divorce. It


is about Parliament as well and 1858 was a horrendous hot summer. The


Thames stank. There were no proper sewers. As often the case,


Parliament panicked and we brought through a whole series of bills


which enabled the engineers but the embankment and everything else. It


is funny as well. They are building a new super sewer down the Thames


these days. We hope it will work. David Lammy, have you decided, any


of these books catch your fancy? I thought it was all a bit heavy but


you have now persuaded me I have got to buy Johnny Mercer's book.


Otherwise it is Lee Childs for me. I want something like, nonfiction,


easy. Heavy politics put to one side. I can understand that. All of


this effort... Understandably... It is also quite hard to read a heavy


book in the sun. You need something... What is your reading


list? This is why you bring David and I together. My answer is


identical. Johnny Mercer's book, it has had incredible reviews and I am


definitely now going to read it. I will obviously take that free copy.


Not before I do! Lee Child is my default option on holiday. Keith


sticks to politics. East-west Street I am also very keen to read and a


must read if you want to sound sophisticated about the future of


the planet. The other one I would mention, your rival from another


organisation, The Women Who Made Politics. Absolutely excellent.


Sophy Ridge from Sky. Some of your fellow parliamentarians find time to


write books as well. They do indeed. In one case, their researcher wrote


it. Name them! Not Johnny Mercer. Our great collie, the man known as


the Prime Minister's brain, Oliver Letwin, he has got a book coming out


about hearts and minds this October -- our great colleague. Partly


autobiographical, Thatcher up to... And another... Ann Clwyd brought out


a memoir recently. They've lot do. Is Jacob Rees Mogg going to write a


book? The parliamentarian first elected in 1834 is too busy deciding


whether he wants to be Speaker or leader of the party. He probably


will write a book but it will be in Latin!


At this point in the political year, we often ask some pundits


for their predictions about the fortunes of the party


leaders when normal service resumes in September.


But as the pundits have proved so comprehensively


useless in recent years, today we're looking


elsewhere for guidance - specifically, to the stars.


As I'm not, you may be surprised to learn, a great expert in studying


the significance of celestial objects, we're joined


now by the astrologer Alison Chester-Lambert.


Alison, what are your predictions for Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn?


Well, thank you. So, let us start with Jeremy Corbyn. This guy has a


son in Gemini and a moon in Taurus. This makes him very young at heart


and he has great appeal for the young. This year, he cannot do a lot


wrong. He has some very good transits on his side. He is one to


watch and definitely for the foreseeable future. Then we turn to


Theresa May. She has a sun in Libra and a moon in Virgo. Her sun has


echoes of Margaret Thatcher's sun in Libra but Theresa May has a little


more compassion and a little less intransigence. Theresa May is not


having a good year, astrology can only describe what it finds, and


what we see is that she is struggling with vulnerability, she


is disempowered and absolutely her strength is dwindling all of the


time, especially in August of this year. She is going to struggle. We


have this description of people as fatally wounded and it does not seem


to get much better in the foreseeable future. Ed Vaizey,


astrologically speaking, your leader is in trouble. In August! What are


you going to do about it? Ask peace. I am sure she will recover -- ask


Keith. She will come back fighting. I have a lot of respect for our


resident astrologer. Theresa May has had difficulties. I think it can be


beaten over the August... What is it? See how quickly I adapt? You


pick up the lingo very quickly! I have noticed that for a while, Ed


Vaizey. Many years! Not a bad astrological outlook for Mr Corbyn?


The runes look good for Jeremy Corbyn, good summer and good year. I


think the idea that August might be so bad that... Another general


election but quickly. Your heart just sings! There we go. Back to


Alison, the Brexit negotiators, David Davis for the UK, Michel


Barnier for the EU, what do the stars behold for them? Right, OK,


David Davis's chart, I opened his chart and I saw he had not one


planet in Capricorn, four planets in Capricorn. I was thinking, there we


go, strength, perseverance, power, this man has it all. Great, he is on


our side. That will do. Then I opened Michel Barnier's chart and I


was amazed to see he also has four planets in Capricorn. That is some


coincidence. Michel Barnier seems to have the edge because his moon is in


Aquarius and this can be quite intransigent and very fixed and he


is a very clever strategist, quite brilliant. Oh, dear. Next year, it


appears David Davis pulls through, he gets a huge boost from Pluto, as


if he has been plugged into a nuclear power station, and at that


point, he powers ahead. Certainly one to watch anyway. Very


interesting. There you go. Remainers like you, you had better send a new


computer! I have always said that David Davis was a four planets in


Capricorn kind of guy. Did you know Pluto was his ally? Watch out for


the nuclear power Pluto, it will take off. I think it is more Pluto


in Mickey Mouse. Pluto the dog! He has the dog on his side as well! It


is uncanny, four planet Capricorn man meets another. It obviously


means for tight negotiations. Give us a prediction for the summer? What


can we expect? I understand there is a coast-to-coast solar eclipse in


America, what does that mean? Absolutely, there is. On the 21st of


August, we have a coast-to-coast solar eclipse across America. These


things usually happen once a century. But strangely, America has


two, one on the 21st of August, another in seven years' time. This


is an interesting one because if we go back to a bar baloney and times,


eclipses always foretold of the fall of nations and the fall of leaders


-- Babylonian times. It hits Donald Trump's chart very keenly. He is


rattled by this and he looks considerably weakened by the


eclipse. Who knows, another one to watch, could be exciting. Cracking


stuff! You should do this every week! Yes, I agree!


LAUGHTER Can you tell us, will there be


another election this year? I have not looked at the astrology. I would


not have thought so. I am a big fan of your analysis that surely Vince


willpower to centre stage, six planets in his Capricorn. Thank you


very much. Thank you very much, I enjoyed it.


There's just time before we go to find out the answer to our quiz.


The question was, "David Davis' briefcase has been fitted


with a device which blocks electronic signals


But what have the EU side started using to stop espionage?"


Was it, a, hidden camera, b, fingerprint scanners,


c, invisible ink, or, d, an underwater car?


So, David and Ed, what's the correct answer?


Underwater car. Yes. The correct answer. No. It is fingerprinting.


They have not got an underwater car. The one o'clock news is starting


over on BBC One now. I will be back tonight with the


final This Week of the season. Tried to join us.


Promise me that you'll come and find me.


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