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19/07/2017

Defence minister Tobias Ellwood and shadow secretary of state for women and equalities Sarah Champion join Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn throughout the programme.


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Morning folks - welcome to the Daily Politics.

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The divorce bill is the big sticking point as negotiators are locked

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in for a third day of Brexit negotiations in Brussels -

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might agreement on the final sum only come at the 11th hour?

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Tuition fees have caused a lot of anger amongst students,

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But the government have given universities the go-ahead to

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increase them. Labour want to scrap them

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altogether, but would that be a good As MPs pack their bucket and spade,

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we'll bring you the final PMQs And it wouldn't be the end of term

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without a sports day... Will MPs or journalists win the egg

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and spoon race? The shock of the News of the egg and

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spoon race! Is Gary Lineker coming on to do this pick? I hope so.

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The Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, called

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on his colleagues last night to be more disciplined and loyal,

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and to concentrate their fire on a "dangerous enemy within reach

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We'll expect nothing less of former soldier, Tobias Ellwood,

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now a Defence Minister himself, who is with us for the duration.

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And we have a formidable adversary for him -

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the Shadow Secretary of Women and Equalities, Sarah Champion.

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First, in the last hour or so the BBC has published details

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of the salaries of on-screen talent earning more than ?150,000 from

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The disclosure was demanded by the Government in the most recent

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The BBC didn't really want to do it but the government said they had to.

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Only a third of the highest paid reporters and presenters are women -

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a situation the director general, Tony Hall, has described

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The Chairman of the Common's Culture, Media and Sport Committee,

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Damian Collins, welcomed publication of the salary details.

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The reason we want a disclosure on salaries is we can see,

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do these salaries look competitive or not?

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Everyone will expect the top talent, the top on-screen talent,

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to be earning high salaries at equivalent levels to people

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But what will be interesting to see is other people

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within the organisation, maybe at much more middle-ranking

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levels, are they on unusually high salaries as well?

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And that's why I think it's important that those

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When the BBC is funded by the licence fee payer,

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and periodically we hear that certain much-loved services

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or programmes have to be cut, and there are cutbacks on local

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radio, I think it's not unreasonable the licence

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fee payers ask the BBC, well, how do you spend

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Just some of the reaction to this list today. Sarah Champion, is it a

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worthwhile exercise? I don't think so, personally, I know that might be

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shocking. I know football players get paid a huge amount and film

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stars get paid a huge amount but to be quite honest, if I was reading

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the news... I concede market forces are the way they are. Your Tory

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colleague says this allows us, his committee and others in public life,

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to compare if the BBC are paying market levels or not. Can you do

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that when we don't know what the equivalent presenters in Skye, ITV

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channel for getting? You illustrate the challenge we face here. Where I

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disagree is for competitive football players of film stars, this is

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public money. The nation is paying for this. We don't doubt your

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talent, but we do want to know... You do. We want to do how much you

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are paid. Some of these some side large on the BBC needs to respond to

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that. Most importantly, it has highlighted a gender pay gap. I

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think that is something Tony Hall must address immediately. He says he

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will, we will see. Have you had a look at the list yet, did anything

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jump out? Where it is interesting, I'm Brad Tony Hall has said he will

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look at the gender pay gap. It's not just about figures but about those

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structural blocks that prevents women from reaching their full

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potential. That happens in the BBC, we know it happens in journalism and

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politics. The figures that come out today, we can now see the scale of

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the problem. Exactly, when you are looking like for like, if there are

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differences between men and women doing the same job, commanding the

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same sort of audience figures, then I think the BBC is right to do

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something about it and we are right to know that. However, to be quite

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honest, this is another example, the Tories have in for the BBC on this

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is another way of having a go at them. Why'd you have it in for the

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BBC? I don't agree with that, I am huge supporter, as the party is, for

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BBC, nationally and worldwide. It's part of promoting British influence

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around the world and respected around the world. To suggest this is

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some sort of Tory plot... This is taxpayers money, the nation paying

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for this and that is why we have every right to understand. To put

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that into context, yes you are in a competitive environment. Let me come

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back to the point where we began. You said it's a huge challenge, but

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I'm not sure how we resolve it, since we don't know what Adam

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Boulton at Sky News is getting all Robert Peston, we don't know what

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our equivalents in the other networks are getting. It is not your

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intention, I understand, to force them to publish summaries, you

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couldn't? They are not taking money from the people. The licence fee

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means there needs to be... Comparison. That is a case for

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publishing, I understand that argument. But your colleague was

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arguing, we can now make comparisons. My point, I will make

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for a third time and then shut up, you cannot make comparisons because

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you don't have data that allows you to make the comparison. I understand

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that. Hopefully we will see some of the private sector coming forward

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and being more transparent. There is a fundamental issue, that it's right

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the nation sees... You made that .4-macro

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times, I haven't contested it. Damian Collins made another point,

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regional areas, where is money spent? The balance of national and

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local media is important across the BBC. There is no work being done

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here today. Everyone is going through these lists! More excitement

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in the newsroom than I have seen for a while.

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Now, EU and UK negotiators are locked in a room -

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several rooms actually - in Brussels for a third

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day for this second round of Brexit negotiations.

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We won't get an official statement from either side

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on progress until tomorrow, but we know a man who's been touring

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the Brussels' bars for those off-the-record briefings -

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Where are we on the talks? Very good question. We are getting very little

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detail about what is happening in those rooms, where they are

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grappling with the three big issues, citizens rights for people in the UK

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and British people living on the continent, the financial settlement,

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the Brexit bill, Northern Ireland and what happens with the border.

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Occasional details are coming out when we get a call saying, come and

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meet me in the pub and I'll tell you a bit about what's being discussed.

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We're waiting for tomorrow lunchtime, when David Davis is

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supposed to be back in town with Michel Barnier and we will get an

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understanding of what has happened. My understanding is there is

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progress on the issue of citizens rights, they are closing on a deal

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but not there yet. Northern Ireland, it has turned into an academic

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seminar over Anglo relations in recent years, including the Good

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Friday Agreement, and the real sticking point when it comes to

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money. The UK delegation is really probing the legal basis that the

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European Commission is coming up with for the rationales for the UK

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paying a big financial lump sum. Could that delay further progress in

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the talks? That is what we have heard from Brussels and EU

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diplomats, that Michel Barnier may stall those talks, if there is an

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agreement in some form on the divorce settlement?

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That particular report, which appeared on a rival new service, is

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being disputed by both sides. What they don't dispute is there is

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frustration on both sides about this financial issue. The EU 's side is a

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bit annoyed the UK hasn't been more forthcoming about their view on the

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so-called Brexit Bill. The British side is not quite convinced about

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the rationales for the bill existing in the first place. It is a crucial

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thing, because Michel Barnier has made an agreement on a methodology

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for calculating for some, one of the preconditions for the decision he

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will make in October about whether sufficient progress has been made in

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this set of talks, to move to the second set of talks, which is all

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the stuff about the future relationship on trade and things

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like that. It is worth remembering, both sides when it comes to the

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bill, are talking about a methodology, a way of typing numbers

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into their calculators to work out a final number, not a final number

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being slid across the table on a post-it note by Michel Barnier. That

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will come much greater. Talks about talks about further talks and

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calculating that figure some way down the line. Is there a feeling

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David Davis and the team haven't been well prepared for these talks?

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Are you talking about a certain photograph that emerged on the first

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day when David Davis set down in front Michel Barnier? Michel Barnier

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and his team had a rich pile of papers in front of them, David Davis

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and his team were pretty much empty handed. It gave critics of the

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British government a bit more ammunition to say the Brits have

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commented these negotiations underprepared. It is the EU that

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have made the running by public -- publishing document after document.

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They say they have been working on the document for a year ever since

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the referendum happen. The rumour is in some bits of the talk, the

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British delegation has piles of paper bigger than their European

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counterparts and in some areas they feel they are better briefed than

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the Europeans. Bright, I can see the level of these talks is getting to

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high maturity levels. Thank you. Tobias, without wanting to compare

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how big your pilot a breeze compared to mine, is that the perception that

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the British side is not as well prepared as Michel Barnier? -- your

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pilot of paper is bigger to mind? Information is plucked from various

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sources. Your reporter says he's going round Brussels bar is going to

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get information, that would be as accurate as going to Westminster

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bars here. From recent parties it's proved productive! You get tittle

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tattle, the lieutenant speaking about promoting generals on that

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happens all the time. The amount of airtime you give these, that is up

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to you. The picture itself is another great example. You know if

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you walk down number ten Downing St, the last thing you do is show your

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papers, because it curious that Oliver will take advantage of that.

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Happens all the time. That particular picture shows a starting

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point where the media came in. David Davis had a box full of papers. To

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make a judgment on this is ridiculous. I think we eventually

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got onto it in the report, that each week, each fortnight we are going

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through the various issues, the Northern Ireland Borders, the cost

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of departing, the EU citizenship, one by one these will be done but

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they will be done behind closed doors and an announcement is made.

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We need to be patient. How long do you think it will take to get the

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divorce Bill part of the negotiations sorted out? We know

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from Michel Barnier, he wants to wrap it up before moving to other

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things? There is even an absolute determination on both sides to be

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constructive about this. Also you had in the report is not just about

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a figure being passed across but a formula being devised to make sure

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we understand this is fair on both sides. This is part of what

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negotiation is all about. I said, when do you think...? We haven't got

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much time. Michel Barnier keep saying the clock is ticking. When

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would you like to see some sort of announcement on the figure, so that

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then things could move on to stuff like the free trade agreement? We

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will hear that in detail tomorrow when a press statement is made. We

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need to be patient. It is a two-year process and everyone is wanting to

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have those answers now. All speculate what they might be when

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they are wandering round Brussels bars. Should the EU go whistle, as

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Boris Johnson suggested? I think we are sort of trivialising this

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against a pipe that is what he said and he is the Foreign Secretary.

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Britain has a lot to offer, one of the three big nations in Europe,

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financial services, military, defence, intelligence, aerospace,

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digital, pharmaceuticals, we lead Europe and the world. Was Boris

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Johnson trivialising the debate? I won't comment on those... He said

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very clearly they should go and whistle stop to what I'm saying is

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we have very much to offer, strong hand to play, Europe knows that as

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well. We must allow these talks to develop at their own pace. What is

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Labour's Brexit policy? It is quite simple, we want the best deal. The

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customs union and the single market, what is Labour's policy? We would

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love to negotiate a deal so we can get rid of tariffs and have a strong

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trading relationship with them. What we are looking at is how do we get

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the best working relationship? How do we get the best deal, and how do

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we maintain that in the long term? To get caught up with are we going

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for the Common Market or the customs union? I'm less comfortable about

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that. What I want is the vision. What I'm not seen for the -- from

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the Tories is any vision or endgame. The EU will want specifics. You say

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you're not comfortable with the idea of the single market and Customs

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union, not comfortable coming out of the single market and Customs union

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or staying in? I don't think the question is where I want to be. If

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Labour says it wants to end free movement, presumably if you support

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that part of the manifesto, you will be outside the single market?

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Absolutely. And if you want to do free trade deals, Labour would be

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supporting coming out of the customs union or not? At the moment, yes. We

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would be. But what we're looking for is rather than getting caught up

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with the labels, it's looking at what is the best deal we can get?

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What I'm seeing from the Tories is they have got the vision or the game

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max. They are going in and blustering. That is not working, on

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us internationally. What we're looking to do at the moment is keep

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everything on the table, to try and find. Including single market of the

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single market and customs union? I don't think it will happen. You

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agree with Caroline Flint who said this week we will look like liars,

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talking about Labour, if we try and frustrate every government vote on

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Brexit? We are not trained to do that at all and we haven't been.

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We're trying to get the best of this country. We are in opposition. We

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have about 18 months to negotiate something. The fact we're still

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haggling about whether or not we are paying the divorce Bill seems crazy

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to me. We could have sorted this out before we got to the referendum. The

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Great Repeal Bill? At the moment as it stands, no... It transfers

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exactly what we see at the moment without a problem, you won't support

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that? You are looking at getting more and more delegated powers to

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the executive and less and less scrutiny by Parliament. What we're

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looking for is to make sure we have some accountability. We have been

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elected to scrutinise, to challenge and to get the best for every one of

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our electorate. Your bill at the moment is offering that.

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The bill simply transfers the powers across so that we have stability.

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The next phase beyond that is how you scrutinise the aspects of bad

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Bill. But you do accept that there are these powers... And that is

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where if you have differences, you could then raise them.

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Lets just a sprain briefly to the viewers the reason that these powers

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would allow the executive to make changes without going through

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Parliament. So you are then going to block... ? At the moment we would

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block it. We want a much better deal on the table that we know is going

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to enable us to be able to protect workers' rights, to protect

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environmental rights, to protect trading. As it stands, we would be

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blocking it. And how much would you pay to settle the divorce Bill? I

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don't know. Whatever is fair. My region of South Yorkshire has really

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benefited over decades of investment. It wasn't a charity that

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we were going to. We have a relationship, we are severing that

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relationship and we need to do what is fair.

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Now, the Government wants to let them rise -

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Labour wants to scrap them altogether.

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This afternoon MPs will debate university tuition fees.

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Labour's relative success in the general election has been

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credited in part to its pitch to younger voters,

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In April, the Government gave universities the go-ahead

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to increase tuition fees in line with inflation

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English students starting in September are set

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The Labour manifesto promised to scrap tuition fees altogether,

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But in an interview with NME magazine, Jeremy Corbyn also

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suggested the party would write off all student debt.

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He said those who have already graduated shouldn't be

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"burdened excessively" and he would "deal with it".

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That would cost approximately ?100 billion, roughly equivalent

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to the annual cost of day-to-day running of the NHS.

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But senior figures in the party have appeared to row

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back on the pledge, with Shadow Chancellor

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John McDonnell saying it was just an "ambition",

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But with Labour's success amongst young voters

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at the general election, Theresa May's right hand man,

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Damian Green, has admitted that there needs to be a "national

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And drove. Sarah Champion, when Jeremy Corbyn said a week before the

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election, he told voters that he would deal with historic student

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debt what did he mean by that? You'll have to ask him. Chance would

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be a fine thing! I will ask if you'll come on. I don't think it

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will be possible, to be honest. How do you square it with people who

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have already paid off their debt, for example? We can't change the

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past, and I don't think the Treasury would allow us to roll back on

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something. But I think immediately there are things that the Government

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can do now, so for example we're looking at the interest rates that

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students have to pay going up to 6.1%, which is crazy. If you go to a

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high street bank, you can get a better rate than that. Why are we

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lumbering students with about ?50,000 now to repay their tuition

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fees, more for students from poorer backgrounds because they have had to

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take out maintenance grants to survive, and I'm told the average is

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?57,000, so the poorer you are, the bigger the amount of debt you have

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got on your balance sheet. Why on top of that are you charging 6%

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interest? This is why Damian Green has said that we need to have a

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debate about this. I think we both agree that we have one of the

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largest economies in the world, and to continue that, we need to have

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academics and entrepreneurs that are able to go to university is not feel

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prohibited because of the finances, said it is important to look at

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this, but I'm glad that you should the promise made in the general

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election because I think it diminishes British politics as a

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whole when these promises are made and then when a Dibon so quickly

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after so many students took this is the sole issue, the sole reason they

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support Labour. I tell you what also is in British politics, and I see it

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first hand almost every day of the week, and that is not answering the

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question. My question is why are you charging 6% interest on student

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loans? The package of measures depends on what course you are

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doing, the length of the course and so on... You pay 6% whatever it is.

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I agree that these figures need to be challenged, which is why... You

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know what the rich parents are doing? They are taking that debt,

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because they can do it, they are borrowing against their homes to

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repay that debt at a much lower rate of interest, because they can afford

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to do it. Poorer students from council houses or their parents rent

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in the private sector, they can't do it. It's another on fairness in the

:22:16.:22:20.

system. Hence the need for the debate. Let's not forget Labour

:22:21.:22:23.

introduced tuition fees, the reason for that is when I went to

:22:24.:22:27.

university, about a fifth of school leavers went to university, the

:22:28.:22:32.

state could afford to pay that. Now it is 45-50% of school leavers

:22:33.:22:36.

looking for a degree, and the state simply cannot pay. Labour understood

:22:37.:22:40.

that before, which is why it is puzzling that they now want to write

:22:41.:22:45.

it off. It was ?1000 contribution but we still had maintenance grants.

:22:46.:22:50.

You have now shifted that alone is. I am 48 in a week, and I got a full

:22:51.:22:54.

maintenance grant and I got all my tuition fees paid for, and I think I

:22:55.:23:00.

have been a reasonable investment on this country. One of the reasons I

:23:01.:23:03.

want a service I want to pay that back, I know it to my country. And

:23:04.:23:07.

if it was a situation now coming from the background I came from, I

:23:08.:23:13.

just couldn't, my family wouldn't even conceive of getting into that

:23:14.:23:17.

much debt. The figures show that there are more kids from

:23:18.:23:19.

working-class backgrounds than ever going to university. It is true,

:23:20.:23:24.

although the most recent figures show a drop. They don't show that an

:23:25.:23:28.

background, but what they do show, this is a good question for Tobias

:23:29.:23:35.

Ellwood. The Government says that despite ?9,000 year fees, university

:23:36.:23:38.

applications have been rising. But not this year, they are down 5%.

:23:39.:23:44.

That sense of the accumulated debt seems to be taking its toll. We need

:23:45.:23:49.

to look in more detail at the numbers. The reason they have

:23:50.:23:52.

dropped is to do with the uncertainty to do with their

:23:53.:24:01.

position on... They are down 6% in England where there are fees, but 2%

:24:02.:24:07.

in Scotland, where there are no fees. 7% in Wales, where there are

:24:08.:24:13.

fees, so clearly fees, it may not be the whole story, but they are a

:24:14.:24:20.

part. 18% down for mature students. There is a concern with the number

:24:21.:24:24.

of overseas students coming here who have been concerned about where

:24:25.:24:28.

things are with Brexit. This is why Damian Green has called for a debate

:24:29.:24:34.

on this matter. I want to see this continue... These are British

:24:35.:24:39.

figures. Let me finish. You can't when you are proceeding on a wrong

:24:40.:24:45.

premise. These are British figures, not overseas.

:24:46.:24:50.

I am asking you to interrogate the numbers accurately. Here is the rub,

:24:51.:24:57.

Sarah Champion. The Labour Party very down on tuition fees, the

:24:58.:25:01.

Labour government in Wales has just increased tuition fees. What is it

:25:02.:25:06.

all about? That is their choice. One of the things that we wanted, one of

:25:07.:25:11.

the things the minister said he would do, was come to the chamber

:25:12.:25:14.

and have a proper debate about this, but the reason we are having the

:25:15.:25:18.

emergency debate today is he has refused to do that, and we have

:25:19.:25:21.

asked him three times. May be the differences you are not in

:25:22.:25:25.

Government in Westminster but you are in Wales, and clearly the Welsh

:25:26.:25:29.

Labour government thinks it is a lot more difficult to abolish tuition

:25:30.:25:35.

fees than you do. And I think voters would rightly think, it could be the

:25:36.:25:38.

same in Westminster if you wrote in the government. They are increasing

:25:39.:25:42.

fees. I can't speak for Wales, but we are committed in government to

:25:43.:25:46.

get rid of fees, because we are seeing the impact that it has had on

:25:47.:25:53.

people. I guess with devolution, you get different answers to the same

:25:54.:25:54.

question. The Tories may have MPs called Hugo,

:25:55.:25:58.

Crispin, Antoinette and... And as we learned yesterday,

:25:59.:26:01.

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:26:02.:26:04.

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:26:05.:26:06.

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It is a grey day in old London town. The final Prime Minister's Questions

:28:23.:28:34.

before the London recess. And that's not all -

:28:35.:28:36.

John Pienaar is here. I guess both the Prime Minister and

:28:37.:28:44.

the Leader of the Opposition will want to send their troops away

:28:45.:28:48.

thinking our person took the part. And to leave an impression on the

:28:49.:28:52.

country watching Prime Minister's Questions time, that proportion of

:28:53.:28:58.

the country that does, that needs to be borne in mind. What are you

:28:59.:29:11.

saying?! We will be watching Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn, but also the

:29:12.:29:15.

backbenches will be interesting in this context. On the Tory side, they

:29:16.:29:20.

will see their job as rattling their spears and cheering louder and more

:29:21.:29:24.

heartily than we have seen for some time. It will be backing up the

:29:25.:29:30.

message of various people in the party which is, we are behind you,

:29:31.:29:35.

Theresa, but also echoing the rebuke to those around the Cabinet table

:29:36.:29:42.

who have been staring up everything about leadership over austerity,

:29:43.:29:46.

over Theresa May's austerity, so expect a nice row from the Tories.

:29:47.:29:51.

On the Labour side, again that changing dynamic will be interesting

:29:52.:29:55.

to watch. These are the same MPs who sat in sullen silence just weeks

:29:56.:30:00.

ago, and now they are competing with the other side to rattle their

:30:01.:30:03.

spears and cheer along. How things change. Nothing succeeds like a bit

:30:04.:30:10.

of success! We are still waiting for that on this show, but it will come

:30:11.:30:16.

one day. Any idea what Mr Corbyn will choose is the substance of his

:30:17.:30:21.

questions? He will choose his own target, but it is generally on the

:30:22.:30:25.

theme of austerity, so it will be about austerity, and with questions

:30:26.:30:31.

about public sector pay, we have two more public review bodies in the

:30:32.:30:35.

pipeline, and being kept there until September or so. You'd be surprised

:30:36.:30:39.

I guess if he doesn't find time for a little bit of a dig on the public

:30:40.:30:41.

sector. Lets go over and find out. I'm sure members from all sides will

:30:42.:30:53.

wish to thank this house for their dedication to our work here in what

:30:54.:30:57.

has been a particularly challenging year. We saw terrorists attack our

:30:58.:31:03.

democracy and our way of life, not just in the Westminster attack but

:31:04.:31:08.

also obviously in the attacks at Manchester, Finsbury Park and London

:31:09.:31:12.

Bridge. It is thanks to the professionalism and bravery of

:31:13.:31:17.

people like Elisabeth Byron, an off-duty A nurse who ran to the

:31:18.:31:22.

Borough Market attack and is with us in the gallery today, that this

:31:23.:31:26.

shows these attacks will never succeed because we are united in

:31:27.:31:32.

defending the values that define our nation. This morning I had

:31:33.:31:35.

ministerial meetings with colleagues and others and I will have further

:31:36.:31:41.

such meetings later today. Mr Geoffrey Robinson. Thank you. I

:31:42.:31:53.

wonder, could she find time in Coventry, when I can assure her a

:31:54.:31:59.

very warm welcome from the three Labour MPs in Coventry who more than

:32:00.:32:03.

doubled their recent majority. On a serious note, is she aware Coventry

:32:04.:32:11.

is the National centre designated National Centre for the research and

:32:12.:32:15.

development of controls the driverless vehicles? Would she not

:32:16.:32:18.

consider perhaps it might be an appropriate location to relocate her

:32:19.:32:25.

whole government there, where they can see the driverless vehicles in

:32:26.:32:30.

practice? I'm grateful to the honourable gentleman. I'm always

:32:31.:32:33.

happy to visit the West Midlands and I'm particularly pleased to visit

:32:34.:32:36.

the West Midlands under its new mayor Andy Street. Who doing a very

:32:37.:32:43.

good job. He mentions the question of automated vehicles. This country

:32:44.:32:46.

is a leader in automated vehicles. That's part of building a strong

:32:47.:32:50.

economy and that is what this government is doing.

:32:51.:32:58.

Thank you Mr Speaker. Last week our National Health Service was judged

:32:59.:33:04.

the best health care system. Best, safest and most affordable, better

:33:05.:33:09.

than France, Germany, Norway, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand.

:33:10.:33:13.

Too often in this house we focus on the negatives and I've heard the

:33:14.:33:25.

Labour Party attempt to... Well my right honourable friend, and I hope

:33:26.:33:29.

the Leader of the Opposition when he stands, congratulates NHS staff on

:33:30.:33:40.

their skills, dedication... CHEERING On their skills, dedication and the

:33:41.:33:45.

hard work they have put in to achieve these high standards.

:33:46.:33:51.

Can I thank my honourable friend. I am very happy to stand here and to

:33:52.:33:58.

congratulate all of those NHS staff who are delivering, delivering such

:33:59.:34:01.

a fantastic service, and who have made the NHS once again, because

:34:02.:34:08.

this isn't the first time, once again, the number one health system

:34:09.:34:13.

in the world. We are determined to continue to enable that high level

:34:14.:34:19.

of service to be provided, which is why between 2015-2020 we will be

:34:20.:34:25.

investing over half ?1 trillion in our NHS. Jeremy Corbyn.

:34:26.:34:33.

Thank you Mr Speaker. I join the Prime Minister in thanking all the

:34:34.:34:36.

staff of this house for all the work they do all the year-round. They are

:34:37.:34:40.

fantastic, they are supported, inclusive and great to the public

:34:41.:34:43.

who come here. I want to thank them for everything they do. I also the

:34:44.:34:50.

Prime Minister in thanking the emergency services in how they have

:34:51.:34:54.

coped with all the terrible emergencies we've had in the last

:34:55.:35:00.

few months, and I have my -- thank my communities, like those in

:35:01.:35:03.

Finsbury Park, who come together against those who try to divide us.

:35:04.:35:05.

The emergency services were in action again protecting people from

:35:06.:35:14.

floods. We always rely on those services. The Chancellor said this

:35:15.:35:18.

week that some public servants are overpaid. Given the Prime Minister

:35:19.:35:26.

has had to administer a slap down to her squabbling cabinet, does she

:35:27.:35:28.

think the Chancellor was talking about her own ministers?

:35:29.:35:40.

Can I... Can I first of all join the right honourable gentleman, not only

:35:41.:35:43.

in praising the work of our emergency services but also in

:35:44.:35:48.

recognising their way in which after the terrible terrorist attacks we've

:35:49.:35:52.

seen on the Grenfell Tower fire, that appalling tragedy, the way we

:35:53.:35:55.

have seen communities come together and support those who have been

:35:56.:36:00.

victims of those terrible incidents that have taken place, and I was

:36:01.:36:04.

very pleased, as he knows, to visit Finsbury Park after the attack that

:36:05.:36:08.

took place that and see for myself the work that had been done in that

:36:09.:36:15.

community and the work he had done over that night, in working among

:36:16.:36:18.

his constituents to make sure the community came together after that

:36:19.:36:19.

terrible attack. In terms of public sector pay, I

:36:20.:36:23.

will simply say this, I recognise, as I said when I stood on the steps

:36:24.:36:27.

of Downing Street a year ago, that there some people in our country who

:36:28.:36:32.

are just about managing. They find life a struggle. That actually

:36:33.:36:36.

covers people working in the public sector and some people working in

:36:37.:36:39.

the private sector. That is why it is important that the Government is

:36:40.:36:44.

taking steps, for example to help those on lowest incomes come up with

:36:45.:36:49.

the national living wage, it's why we have taken millions of people out

:36:50.:36:53.

of paying income tax altogether, its wide basic rate tax payers have seen

:36:54.:37:01.

a tax cut the equivalent of ?1000. You only get that with a strong

:37:02.:37:06.

economy and you only get that with a Conservative government. I thank the

:37:07.:37:09.

Prime Minister for what she said about my own community, however my

:37:10.:37:13.

question was about whether the Chancellor had said public service

:37:14.:37:18.

workers are overpaid or not? The reality in this country is simply

:37:19.:37:24.

this, a nurse in a medium salary starts on ?23,000. Police officers

:37:25.:37:30.

?22,800. Job centre car parks on ?15,000. I had a letter from Sarah,

:37:31.:37:35.

who wrote to me this week about her sister-in-law, who is a nurse. I

:37:36.:37:41.

quote, she has sacrificed her health for the caring of others. She's had

:37:42.:37:47.

a pay freeze for the last five years. Only her dedication and

:37:48.:37:52.

passion for her vocation keeps her going. Why is this happening? What

:37:53.:37:57.

is the Prime Minister saying to Sarah and those others working in

:37:58.:38:00.

our NHS? I would say to the right honourable

:38:01.:38:06.

gentleman, what I would say to Sarah and those working in the national

:38:07.:38:09.

health service is we recognise the excellent work they are doing. We

:38:10.:38:13.

recognise the sacrifice they and others have made over the last seven

:38:14.:38:19.

years. That sacrifice has been made because we had to deal with the

:38:20.:38:24.

biggest deficit in our peacetime history, left by a Labour

:38:25.:38:29.

government. And as we look at public sector pay, as we look at that we do

:38:30.:38:38.

balance being fair to public sector workers, protecting jobs, and being

:38:39.:38:41.

fair to those who pay for them. The right honourable gentleman seems to

:38:42.:38:46.

think it is possible to go about promising people more money and

:38:47.:38:48.

promised that nobody is ever going to have to pay for it. He and I do

:38:49.:38:57.

both value public sector workers. We both value our public sector

:38:58.:39:01.

services, the difference is on the side of the House, we know you have

:39:02.:39:06.

to pay for them. The Prime Minister doesn't seem to

:39:07.:39:12.

have any problem finding money to pay for the DUP's support. Her

:39:13.:39:20.

government has been in office, Mr Speaker, the Conservatives have been

:39:21.:39:25.

in office that 84 months, 52 of those months have seen a real fall

:39:26.:39:31.

in wages and income in our country. In the last Prime Minister Question

:39:32.:39:35.

Time before the general election, the Prime Minister, this same Prime

:39:36.:39:40.

Minister said, and I quote, "Every vote for me is a vote for a strong

:39:41.:39:44.

economy, with the benefits felt by everyone across the country." Does

:39:45.:39:51.

the Prime Minister great, you cannot have a strong economy when 6 million

:39:52.:39:55.

people are earning less than a living wage?

:39:56.:40:03.

I will tell the right honourable gentleman when you can't have a

:40:04.:40:07.

strong economy, adopting labour policies, more borrowing, more

:40:08.:40:11.

spending, more borrowing, high prices, higher taxes and fewer jobs.

:40:12.:40:16.

The Labour government crashed the economy, the Conservative government

:40:17.:40:19.

has come in, more people in work, more people in jobs, more

:40:20.:40:25.

investment. Jeremy Corbyn. Can I buy the Prime Minister to take a chat

:40:26.:40:30.

with reality on this? -- check on reality with this? Mr Speaker... One

:40:31.:40:44.

in eight workers in the United Kingdom, that is 3.8 million people

:40:45.:40:51.

in work are now living in poverty. 55% of people in poverty are in

:40:52.:40:56.

working households. The Prime Minister's lack of touch with

:40:57.:41:00.

reality goes like this... Low pay in Britain is holding people back at a

:41:01.:41:05.

time of rising housing costs, rising food prices and rising transport

:41:06.:41:11.

costs. It threatens people's living standards and rising debt and

:41:12.:41:16.

falling savings rate threatens our economic stability. Why doesn't the

:41:17.:41:20.

Prime Minister understand that low pay is a threat to an already

:41:21.:41:27.

weakening economy? The best route out of poverty is

:41:28.:41:32.

through work. What we now see is hundreds to do. Order, order, order!

:41:33.:41:46.

A question has been asked, the Prime Minister's answer will be heard.

:41:47.:41:51.

The best route out of poverty is through that is why it is so

:41:52.:41:55.

important now over the last seven years we are seeing 3 million more

:41:56.:41:59.

jobs being created in our economy. It is why we now see so many

:42:00.:42:04.

thousands of people in households with work rather than in workless

:42:05.:42:08.

households. Many more hundreds of thousands more children being

:42:09.:42:11.

brought up in a household where there is work, rather than a failure

:42:12.:42:16.

to have work. That is what is important. What's important for

:42:17.:42:19.

government as well, is to make sure we do provide support to people.

:42:20.:42:23.

That is why we created the National living wage. Biggest pay increase

:42:24.:42:34.

for people on lowest incomes ever. When did the Labour Party ever

:42:35.:42:37.

introduced the national living wage? Never. That was a Conservative

:42:38.:42:38.

government. Jeremy Corbyn.

:42:39.:42:44.

It was labour that first introduced the minimum wage, with opposition

:42:45.:42:49.

from the Conservative Party. Mr Speaker, wages are lower than they

:42:50.:42:53.

were ten years ago. The Prime Minister has been in office for just

:42:54.:42:57.

one year. During that time, disposable income has fallen by 2%.

:42:58.:43:03.

The economic consequences of false territory are very clear, and so are

:43:04.:43:08.

the social consequences: life expectancy stalling for the first

:43:09.:43:17.

time in 100 years. Today the IFA 's forecast income inequality is going

:43:18.:43:20.

to get worse and that child poverty will rise to 5 million by 2022. Does

:43:21.:43:31.

that Prime Minister... Order, order, members are shouting

:43:32.:43:35.

and shouting excessively. They must calm themselves. Jeremy Corbyn.

:43:36.:43:41.

I will try and help the honourable member, Mr Speaker. Does the Prime

:43:42.:43:46.

Minister not realised that her talk of a strong economy doesn't remotely

:43:47.:43:51.

match the reality that millions of people face, with low wages and

:43:52.:43:57.

poverty at home? The right honourable gentleman is of

:43:58.:44:00.

course wrong in some of the fact he is putting forward. In fact,

:44:01.:44:05.

inequality is down, life expectancy is continuing to rise. But what we

:44:06.:44:10.

know, in terms of a strong economy, is that what will not deliver a

:44:11.:44:15.

strong economy for this country is Labour's policy of more borrowing,

:44:16.:44:19.

more spending, higher taxes and fewer jobs. What the right

:44:20.:44:22.

honourable gentleman wants his country living beyond its means.

:44:23.:44:28.

That means making future generations pay for his mistakes. That is

:44:29.:44:32.

Labour's way and the Conservatives will never do that.

:44:33.:44:37.

Mr Speaker, what we want is a country where there are not 4

:44:38.:44:42.

million people living in poverty. Where homelessness does not rise

:44:43.:44:47.

every year, and I look along that front bench opposite, Mr Speaker,

:44:48.:44:52.

and I see a Cabinet to grin and backbiting was the economy gets

:44:53.:44:54.

weaker and people are pushed further into debt. You can try talking to

:44:55.:45:03.

each other... Mr Speaker... The economy... Order, order! The

:45:04.:45:12.

honourable gentleman for Stratford-upon-Avon is gesticulating

:45:13.:45:20.

in a distinctly eccentric manner. Shakespeare's county deserves

:45:21.:45:23.

better. Jeremy Corbyn. The reality is, wages are falling, the economy

:45:24.:45:29.

is slowing, the construction sector in recession, trade deficit widening

:45:30.:45:34.

and reflects crucial Brexit negotiations. Isn't the truth that

:45:35.:45:37.

this divided government is unable to give this country the leadership it

:45:38.:45:41.

so desperately needs now, to deal with these issues?

:45:42.:45:47.

I will tell The right honourable gentleman the reality. The reality

:45:48.:45:52.

is he is always talking Britain down, and we will lead Britain

:45:53.:45:58.

forward. Let's look at the record of the Conservatives in government. 3

:45:59.:46:02.

million more jobs, 4 million more people out of paying income tax

:46:03.:46:06.

altogether, 30 million people with a cut in income tax, record levels of

:46:07.:46:09.

the Berlin employment, record numbers of women in work, deficit

:46:10.:46:16.

cut by three quarters, inequality Dan, record levels of foreign direct

:46:17.:46:19.

investment. That is a record to be proud of, and you only get it with a

:46:20.:46:22.

Conservative government. SHOUTING. I don't think the

:46:23.:46:40.

honourable gentleman knew how popular he was! Will the Prime

:46:41.:46:48.

Minister join me in again congratulating Gracie Shepherd, who

:46:49.:46:52.

designed the black flag when she was just 12 years old, reflecting our

:46:53.:46:55.

industrial heritage, and does she agree that the latest figures

:46:56.:46:59.

showing the West Midlands as the fastest-growing part of this country

:47:00.:47:04.

shows once again that the Black Country remains a great place to do

:47:05.:47:12.

business? As my honourable friend says, he is right. The Black Country

:47:13.:47:15.

remains a great place to do business, and I would like to

:47:16.:47:19.

congratulate Gracie on designing that flag at the age of only 12

:47:20.:47:23.

years, and I have to say I think I'm sure that she and others including

:47:24.:47:30.

the Express and Star have been surprised at the attitude of the

:47:31.:47:34.

benches opposite on this. I commend my honourable friend and my other

:47:35.:47:37.

honourable friends in the Black Country and indeed the Express and

:47:38.:47:43.

Star for the work they are doing to promote the Black Country is a great

:47:44.:47:48.

place to do business, to live and to bring up children like Gracie. Does

:47:49.:47:55.

the Prime Minister believe that her Government has delivered pensions

:47:56.:47:58.

fairness from women who, like her, were born in 1950s? What the

:47:59.:48:05.

Government is delivering for women is a better state pension for women

:48:06.:48:08.

so that women in future will be better off under the state pension

:48:09.:48:12.

that they have been in the past. We are equalising the state pension age

:48:13.:48:16.

I think across the whole has everybody will Buckley denies that

:48:17.:48:21.

is the right thing to do. The Prime Minister has found up to ?35 billion

:48:22.:48:30.

for Hinkley point C nuclear power station. Up to 200 billion to

:48:31.:48:38.

replace Trident, and 1 billion for a deal with the DUP just so she could

:48:39.:48:43.

keep her own job. She seems to be to the magic money tree when she wants

:48:44.:48:48.

to. Can the Prime Minister now end the injustice for those women who

:48:49.:48:54.

are missing out on their pensions before she herself thinks about

:48:55.:49:02.

retiring? I have to say to the honourable gentleman I am a little

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surprised given his background that he said what he did about Hinkley

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point. It is privately funded. This is not money that is coming from the

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Government to developing viewpoint, so I find that a little strange. We

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have put ?1 billion extra into this question of the change of the state

:49:23.:49:27.

pension age to ensure that nobody sees their state pension age

:49:28.:49:30.

increased by more than 18 months from that which was previously

:49:31.:49:34.

expected. But I have to also say to the honourable gentleman that the

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Scottish Government does also have extra powers in the area of welfare.

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And perhaps... Perhaps it is time the Scottish Government got on with

:49:47.:49:49.

the day job and stop talking about independence. Mr Speaker, businesses

:49:50.:49:57.

in Stafford and other constituencies need as much certainty as possible

:49:58.:50:01.

now about what will happen after we leave the EU in March 2019 for

:50:02.:50:05.

investment decisions they are making in the coming weeks and months. As

:50:06.:50:09.

the Government works on the cob rents a future relationship with our

:50:10.:50:14.

European neighbours, would it also negotiate time bound transitional

:50:15.:50:18.

arrangements which prioritise the jobs of our constituents and the

:50:19.:50:22.

health of our economy? My honourable friend is absolutely right. As I

:50:23.:50:25.

have said in this chamber and elsewhere before, we want to avoid a

:50:26.:50:28.

cliff edge from businesses, because people want to know where they stand

:50:29.:50:32.

and Tobia Arlt to carry on investing in the UK and creating those jobs

:50:33.:50:38.

that we have seen being created. -- to be able to carry on investing in

:50:39.:50:47.

the UK. We want to know what the end state relationship for the UK and

:50:48.:50:50.

the EU will be in the future, and then we need a period to adjust to

:50:51.:50:55.

that new end state, practical things will need to be done during that

:50:56.:50:58.

period, and as part of the negotiations it will be important

:50:59.:51:02.

for us to agree on that implementation period and what the

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arrangements will be during that. Mr Speaker, since Winnie Ewing's maiden

:51:10.:51:17.

speech 50 years ago this year, MSP is happening arguing for the voting

:51:18.:51:20.

age to be lowered. In recent elections, young people have proven

:51:21.:51:25.

themselves to be the most knowledgeable and engage they have

:51:26.:51:29.

ever been. I believe there is a majority in this House in favour of

:51:30.:51:34.

lowering the voting age. All the prime Ministers avoid giving the

:51:35.:51:37.

vote to 16 and 17-year-olds? This is one of those issues on which people

:51:38.:51:40.

will obviously have different views, my view continues to be that 18 is

:51:41.:51:45.

the right edge. We expect people to continue in education or training,

:51:46.:51:48.

and I think that is the right point for the voting age. In Harrow and up

:51:49.:51:55.

and down the country, young people will be eagerly anticipating their

:51:56.:52:00.

A-level results to see if they will qualify for a university education.

:52:01.:52:04.

Could my right honourable friend confirmed the dramatic increase of

:52:05.:52:08.

people from disadvantaged backgrounds going to universities,

:52:09.:52:12.

and can she think of anyone that should apologise for misleading the

:52:13.:52:23.

British public? Well, I think it is a very important as people are

:52:24.:52:26.

thinking about going to university that they are not misled in any way.

:52:27.:52:32.

It is the case that more disadvantaged 18-year-olds are now

:52:33.:52:36.

applying to university than ever before. I believe the Leader of the

:52:37.:52:39.

Opposition said exactly the opposite, and I think you should

:52:40.:52:45.

apologise for having said that. But I think the Labour Party should go

:52:46.:52:50.

further at the election. The Leader of the Opposition vowed to deal with

:52:51.:52:53.

student debt, Labour were going to abolish it, now there a promise at

:52:54.:52:59.

all. Students know Labour can't be trusted on student fees. The Prime

:53:00.:53:10.

Minister will now know what it is like to have a job but lacked job

:53:11.:53:14.

security. Sometimes it can even bring a tear to the eye. Given her

:53:15.:53:20.

new-found empathy for millions of workers in insecure work, why is she

:53:21.:53:24.

now cutting six DWP job centres in Glasgow, and also BRCA office staff

:53:25.:53:28.

in my constituency where unemployment is twice the national

:53:29.:53:34.

average? I start by welcoming the honourable gentleman to his new job

:53:35.:53:38.

in this House. What is happening in relation to job centres in Scotland

:53:39.:53:43.

is we are ensuring that it is using the estate properly to the best

:53:44.:53:47.

advantage, and as a result of what is happening, no service is going to

:53:48.:53:51.

be cut. In fact services to people using job centres will be enhanced

:53:52.:53:57.

in future. What matters is actually the service that is provided to

:53:58.:54:05.

people attending those job centres. The brave men and women of our Armed

:54:06.:54:09.

Forces put themselves in extremely challenging situations in their

:54:10.:54:14.

efforts to keep us all safe. We owe it to them therefore to do all we

:54:15.:54:16.

can to support them and their families when they have completed

:54:17.:54:23.

their service. I warmly welcome the launch of the mental health and

:54:24.:54:27.

well-being strategy yesterday, but can my right honourable friend tell

:54:28.:54:31.

the House how we can call Wood and eight this excellent programme with

:54:32.:54:35.

our international allies, and may I wish her a very well-deserved break

:54:36.:54:38.

when she finally decides to take recess. The issue Moura boyfriend

:54:39.:54:46.

has raised is a very important one. Across this House we recognise the

:54:47.:54:51.

importance of ensuring that we are providing the support -- the issue

:54:52.:54:58.

my honourable friend has raised is a very important one. I welcome the

:54:59.:55:04.

new strategy for mental health and well-being in the Armed Forces that

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is being produced, and I also like to pay tribute to the tireless work

:55:07.:55:17.

of my honourable friend from Plymouth, but he raises an important

:55:18.:55:21.

issue. This isn't just for us in the UK, we need to work internationally

:55:22.:55:25.

on this, which is why we launched the strategy at an international

:55:26.:55:30.

conference. The Secretary of State for Defence yesterday launched this

:55:31.:55:33.

at an international conference with counterparts from the United States,

:55:34.:55:37.

Australia, Canada and New Zealand. We will all campaign against the

:55:38.:55:40.

stigmas around mental health so that members of our Armed Forces veterans

:55:41.:55:47.

can get the help they need. In Liverpool Walton, my constituency,

:55:48.:55:50.

almost 40% of children are growing up in poverty. With schools closing

:55:51.:55:56.

this week and local support services cut to the bone, Oster bites and

:55:57.:56:01.

kids don't get fed. The Prime Minister's mission as she says it is

:56:02.:56:06.

to make Britain a country that works for everyone. What is she doing now

:56:07.:56:10.

to stop kids going hungry this summer in Liverpool Walton? I

:56:11.:56:16.

welcome the honourable gentleman to his place in this House. He is right

:56:17.:56:21.

that it is important that we look at the provision that is made in school

:56:22.:56:26.

for children. We look at the issue of households on poverty. But as I

:56:27.:56:30.

said to his writer or friend the Leader of the Opposition, the best

:56:31.:56:35.

route out of poverty is for people to get into the workplace and for us

:56:36.:56:39.

to ensure that there are better paid jobs being provided for people in

:56:40.:56:49.

the workplace in the future. A young woman in Telford who gave evidence

:56:50.:56:53.

in an horrific child sexual exploitation case five years ago is

:56:54.:56:59.

living in fear. The perpetrator, who received a 22 year sentence, is

:57:00.:57:03.

about to be released early. CSE victims are too often overlooked and

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ignored. Does the Prime Minister agree with me that CSE victims

:57:09.:57:12.

should be properly consulted upon the release of perpetrators, and

:57:13.:57:15.

that in this case the perpetrator should not be returned to Telford?

:57:16.:57:20.

This is a very important issue that my honourable friend has raised, and

:57:21.:57:25.

we all know that child sexual exportation is a horrific crime

:57:26.:57:29.

takes place, and it is right that if victims are going to come forward to

:57:30.:57:33.

report this abuse, they need to know that they will have the support and

:57:34.:57:38.

the confidence that they can do that, and be confident in their

:57:39.:57:42.

future security and safety as well. The victim contact scheme is

:57:43.:57:45.

supposed to treat victims properly, and it is supposed to ensure that

:57:46.:57:49.

consideration is given to victim related conditions when they are

:57:50.:57:54.

looking at the offender's license, and somebody being released. If she

:57:55.:57:57.

would like to write tomorrow but friend the Justice Secretary, he

:57:58.:58:05.

will look at it carefully. The interim Prime Minister has

:58:06.:58:09.

repeatedly refused to answer the question from my right honourable

:58:10.:58:15.

friend the Leader of the Opposition. It was reported at the weekend that

:58:16.:58:20.

the temporary Chancellor said that some public sector workers were

:58:21.:58:24.

overpaid. So can she tell the House and the country and those public

:58:25.:58:29.

sector workers which ones she thinks are overpaid, which ones she thinks

:58:30.:58:34.

are underpaid and what she is going to do about it? As I said earlier, I

:58:35.:58:40.

recognise that there will be be born working in the public sector who do

:58:41.:58:43.

find life a struggle, who are just about managing. There will be people

:58:44.:58:46.

working in the private sector in the same place as well. I also say to

:58:47.:58:54.

the honourable gentleman that some people working in the public sector

:58:55.:58:58.

are very well paid, as we have seen in the figures released today. What

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I also say is that we need to ensure that when we look at public sector

:59:09.:59:13.

pay that we balance being fair to workers, protecting jobs and being

:59:14.:59:18.

fair to those who pay for the public sector, and that also we give

:59:19.:59:21.

support to people to ensure that they can keep more of the money that

:59:22.:59:25.

they earn. That's why we believe it cutting taxes.

:59:26.:59:33.

Mr Speaker, the Government is under predictable pressure on public

:59:34.:59:38.

sector pay and spending, which we would all like to respond to, if it

:59:39.:59:43.

was actually sensible to respond to some of these demands. But does my

:59:44.:59:47.

right honourable friend agree that the only way in which a responsible

:59:48.:59:52.

government can actually increase public sector pay is if we restore

:59:53.:59:58.

to this country strong economic growth and a sensible government

:59:59.:00:02.

fiscal balance sheet? And that the biggest threats to our achieving

:00:03.:00:06.

either of those over the next two years are a bad Brexit deal putting

:00:07.:00:10.

barriers to our trade and investment, or the return of a hard

:00:11.:00:14.

left old-fashioned socialist government?

:00:15.:00:21.

My right honourable friend is absolutely right. As a very

:00:22.:00:28.

successful former Chancellor of the Exchequer with expertise on this

:00:29.:00:31.

particular issue, he is right that we need to get a good Brexit deal,

:00:32.:00:35.

but he's also right that the policies of the Leader of the

:00:36.:00:38.

Opposition and the Shadow Chancellor, where they ever to get

:00:39.:00:41.

the opportunity of putting them into practice, would not lead to more

:00:42.:00:45.

money for nurses or for our National Health or more money for the health

:00:46.:00:50.

sector. It would lead through its higher borrowing, higher spending,

:00:51.:00:54.

higher taxes, we would see jobs going, we would see higher prices,

:00:55.:00:58.

higher taxes for people, and we would see less money available for

:00:59.:01:00.

our health service and our nurses. Does the Prime Minister know how

:01:01.:01:10.

universal processes failing my constituents? Vulnerable Blackpool

:01:11.:01:18.

people are juggling a month's money without help, a six-week wait for

:01:19.:01:22.

money coming, causing more stress on a phone helpline which Citizens

:01:23.:01:27.

Advice says can cost claimant 's 55p a minute. Couldn't she start by

:01:28.:01:35.

getting a free phone number? I think the importance of the

:01:36.:01:39.

Universal Credit scheme is it is ensuring that being in work always

:01:40.:01:43.

pays. What we see from the Universal Credit scheme is we are seeing more

:01:44.:01:48.

people getting into the workplace. The DWP is constantly looking at the

:01:49.:01:52.

scheme and how it is operating around the country, to ensure any

:01:53.:01:56.

problems that are being raised by people are being addressed.

:01:57.:02:05.

Mr Speaker, thousands of my constituents are millions of

:02:06.:02:09.

consumers in this country have to pay surcharges when they use their

:02:10.:02:13.

credit or debit card, a highly unfair practice. Good my right

:02:14.:02:20.

honourable friend outlined the impact of lifting of surcharges on

:02:21.:02:24.

consumers in this country? My honourable friend is absolutely

:02:25.:02:27.

right and I think it is very important this issue is being

:02:28.:02:30.

addressed. We believe rip-off charges have no place in modern

:02:31.:02:34.

Britain and that is why card charging abuse is going to come to

:02:35.:02:39.

an end. This is about fairness and transparency. We don't want people

:02:40.:02:42.

to be surprised when they come to pay for something, that they see an

:02:43.:02:46.

extra surcharge suddenly being added because they have used a particular

:02:47.:02:52.

card. We estimate the charges can add up and the total value of these

:02:53.:02:59.

fees in 2010 was estimated at ?473 million. That money is going to be

:03:00.:03:03.

put back in the hands of shoppers across the country, so they have

:03:04.:03:06.

more cash to spend on the things that matter to them.

:03:07.:03:13.

In her Lancaster House speech, the Prime Minister said the UK would be

:03:14.:03:18.

leaving the single market. Can she tell the House whether that red line

:03:19.:03:23.

on the single market also applies to any transition agreement or

:03:24.:03:26.

implementation period that might be agreed for the period after March,

:03:27.:03:31.

2019? We said we would no longer be

:03:32.:03:34.

members of the single market because we will no longer be members of the

:03:35.:03:43.

European Union. The four pillars of the European union are indivisible,

:03:44.:03:46.

and therefore the other issues that we wish also to not be subject, like

:03:47.:03:51.

the European Court of Justice and freedom of movement requirements,

:03:52.:03:54.

mean we would no longer be members of the single market, at the end

:03:55.:03:58.

point, at the end of the two years, when we have negotiated the deal,

:03:59.:04:03.

there will be an end-stage agreement for that deal. We are clear, at the

:04:04.:04:08.

point at which we reach the end of those negotiations, we will be out

:04:09.:04:12.

of the EU. Can I welcome the report from the

:04:13.:04:18.

IFS this week on income inequality in the UK. Contrary to Labour

:04:19.:04:23.

propaganda, often repeated during the general election, the income gap

:04:24.:04:27.

between rich and poor in our country has reduced every year since 2010.

:04:28.:04:34.

Does my right honourable friend agree with me that this clearly

:04:35.:04:38.

shows that those with a broader shoulders are bearing the heaviest

:04:39.:04:42.

burden of dealing with the debt inherited from the last Labour

:04:43.:04:46.

government? No, my honourable friend is

:04:47.:04:50.

absolutely right. The IFS report very clearly shows what he has said

:04:51.:04:56.

today. As we know, the top 1% of taxpayers are bearing 27% of the tax

:04:57.:05:03.

burden. That is a higher burden than in any year under the Labour

:05:04.:05:06.

government. NHS England commissioned child and

:05:07.:05:15.

adult mental health beds in my constituency recently received a

:05:16.:05:20.

damning si QC report. It was found on safe because they found a young

:05:21.:05:24.

woman with MRSA with open wounds on a ward. Does the Prime Minister

:05:25.:05:29.

share my concern that a shortage of mental health beds risks the NHS

:05:30.:05:34.

placing very young and vulnerable people in unsafe environments? Will

:05:35.:05:38.

she consider giving NHS England the responsibility and resources to

:05:39.:05:41.

investigate the quality of care before the commission?

:05:42.:05:45.

I think the honourable lady has raised a very significant point.

:05:46.:05:49.

First of all, mental health we are boosting the funding going into

:05:50.:05:52.

mental health and the national health service. We are taking a

:05:53.:05:56.

number, and across the picture, across government in terms of

:05:57.:05:59.

dealing with mental health, and taking a number of steps to improve

:06:00.:06:02.

mental health. She has raised a very particular case, which I'm sure

:06:03.:06:06.

everybody around this house will have been concerned here I will

:06:07.:06:10.

ensure the Secretary of State looks into the case she has raised.

:06:11.:06:22.

Daesh's atrocities have failed to deliver a caliphate. Does my right

:06:23.:06:25.

honourable friend our international partners must commit resources to

:06:26.:06:31.

bring prosecutions against Daesh fighters and those who join with

:06:32.:06:38.

them? Making sure where ever a death cult had terrorist hides, we will

:06:39.:06:45.

find them and hold them accountable? My honourable friend is absolutely

:06:46.:06:47.

right about this. It is important that those who have committed these

:06:48.:06:52.

horrific crimes are brought to justice. We have done good work as

:06:53.:06:56.

the United Kingdom, in helping those in those theatres to see how they

:06:57.:06:59.

can collect evidence which can be used in prosecutions. We want to do

:07:00.:07:02.

this work internationally through the United Nations and is an issue

:07:03.:07:07.

that yesterday I was speaking to the Prime Minister of Iraq about and we

:07:08.:07:10.

want to work with them and others, to make sure we send a clear message

:07:11.:07:16.

that my friend identified. Does the Prime Minister agrees a

:07:17.:07:20.

huge increase in knife crime has tragic consequences for families in

:07:21.:07:24.

constituencies like mine? What with the Prime Minister do to work with

:07:25.:07:28.

me and other MPs across this house, to find solutions to this blight on

:07:29.:07:33.

young lives, including looking again at the budget for policing?

:07:34.:07:38.

Can I also welcome the honourable lady to the House, to her place in

:07:39.:07:43.

the House. Her presence here, of course, has enabled me to have a

:07:44.:07:46.

very good chief of staff appointed into my office at number ten. She

:07:47.:07:57.

raises this issue... This... This issue is, the issue of knife crime,

:07:58.:08:01.

she has raised a very serious issue of macro. The Government has been

:08:02.:08:04.

taking a tougher stance on knife crime. We do think this is an issue.

:08:05.:08:08.

We have done this in a whole variety of ways, so that now a a knife in

:08:09.:08:13.

public you are much more likely to go to prison. We do recognise there

:08:14.:08:17.

is more to do in this area. That is why yesterday the Home Secretary did

:08:18.:08:21.

announce plans to consult on new offences to toughen up knife crime

:08:22.:08:28.

laws, including restricting the online sale of knives. We have done

:08:29.:08:31.

some of that already, and banning possession of dangerous or offensive

:08:32.:08:34.

weapons on private property. The honourable lady has raised an issue,

:08:35.:08:38.

the Government is addressing this, we recognise we need to do more and

:08:39.:08:41.

that is what the Home Secretary is doing.

:08:42.:08:46.

Before the election, the Government committed to removing the faith

:08:47.:08:51.

-based cap for free schools and even included this promising a la

:08:52.:08:54.

election manifesto. Catholic dioceses up and down the country are

:08:55.:09:00.

anxious to open free schools and some of purchase sites. Will the

:09:01.:09:04.

Prime Minister, her government to honouring a solemn pledge in our own

:09:05.:09:10.

manifesto? My honourable friend will recognise

:09:11.:09:14.

that the reason we put that in our manifesto and the reason it was in

:09:15.:09:17.

the school's green paper that we published before the election was we

:09:18.:09:22.

do believe it is important to enable faith schools, more faith schools to

:09:23.:09:26.

be set up a more faith schools to expand. This is an issue my right

:09:27.:09:30.

honourable friend the Secretary of State for Education is considering

:09:31.:09:33.

and she will be publishing further details on our overall view, in

:09:34.:09:37.

terms of improving school diversity and encouraging more good school

:09:38.:09:41.

places to be created in the near future.

:09:42.:09:45.

Last week the Prime Minister refused to make public a report on the

:09:46.:09:49.

foreign funding of extremists in the UK, despite pressure from all sides

:09:50.:09:55.

of this house and beyond. With survivors of 9/11 urging her to make

:09:56.:10:02.

the report available, would she explain if this refusal is because

:10:03.:10:05.

the contents of the report will embarrass the Government's trends in

:10:06.:10:08.

Saudi Arabia or because they came about arms sales to Riyadh more than

:10:09.:10:12.

public safety? It is absolutely nothing to do that.

:10:13.:10:21.

Are certain elements of, and confidential elements in the report

:10:22.:10:33.

that could not be made available. Mr Speaker, for signs of the strong

:10:34.:10:37.

economy that Prime Minister has so eloquently been outlining this

:10:38.:10:42.

morning, you need look no further than Taunton Deane. It is a

:10:43.:10:49.

microcosm of the national picture, with record house-building, record

:10:50.:10:54.

employment and record government investment in road schemes, like the

:10:55.:11:01.

A358. Would the Prime Minister agree with me, to further fuel the

:11:02.:11:04.

economic success this government is everything, these key road projects

:11:05.:11:08.

should not just speed up traffic and ease congestion but more jobs,

:11:09.:11:15.

further food and in productivity? I am very happy to recognise Taunton

:11:16.:11:20.

Deane is a microcosm of the excellent economy we see across the

:11:21.:11:23.

country. My honourable friend has made an important point and it is a

:11:24.:11:27.

point the Government readily understands and accepts, the

:11:28.:11:32.

importance of investing in infrastructure to boost our economy.

:11:33.:11:35.

That's like the ordinance statement latte the Chancellor of the

:11:36.:11:39.

Exchequer announced the investment fund, considerable proportion of

:11:40.:11:43.

which will be going to infrastructure and we fully

:11:44.:11:46.

recognise the importance not just of large-scale transport projects like

:11:47.:11:51.

Crossrail and HS2 and the expansion of Heathrow, but also of investment

:11:52.:11:55.

in projects at a more local level if we're going to unlock further

:11:56.:11:58.

economic growth in areas like Taunton Deane.

:11:59.:12:07.

Without legal powers, funds, criteria is all schools or

:12:08.:12:13.

Parliament open, this in Keleher TriStar consulting on the closure of

:12:14.:12:17.

the hospital and the building of a new ?400 million hospital in

:12:18.:12:22.

Belmont. After five consultations over 18 years, wasting ?40 million

:12:23.:12:27.

of tax payers money, isn't it time for the Prime Minister to step in

:12:28.:12:30.

and put a stop to it and allow this important hospital to get on with

:12:31.:12:35.

the day job? I would say to the honourable lady

:12:36.:12:40.

that I understand Jepson Anson Keleher trust are seeking views on

:12:41.:12:52.

specialist -- Epsom and St Helier. No final decisions have been made

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and any decisions for further change will be subject to consultation.

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Not only has the Institute for Fiscal Studies said we have the

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lowest income gaps for a decade but the Office for National Statistics

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has also said Britain has some of the lowest levels of persistent

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poverty in all of Europe. Does my right honourable friend agree that

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it is right that this country is governed by the true facts and not

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the fake news? And that this government is committed to building

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a strong economy for all? Can I start by welcoming my

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honourable friend to her place in this chamber. Can I say she is

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absolutely right. We owe it to our constituents and the public that we

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actually ensure when we debate these issues, we debate on the basis of

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the facts are not the basis of the sort of fake news we hear too often

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being put forward in chamber. Mr Speaker, Lakeside children's

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Centre is a lifeline for often struggling kids and their parents in

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one of the poorest wards in Britain, giving them the best possible start

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in life. Yet Lakeside and 26 children's Centre now face closure

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in Birmingham. Does the Prime Minister understand that the

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consequences of her actions, ?700 million of cuts to the City

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Council's budget, is having a devastating impact on the provision

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of children centres and Wilshire act properly to fund and reverse the

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tidal wave of closures that will otherwise have a devastating impact

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on the life chances of a whole generation of children?

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Can I say to the honourable gentleman that obviously decisions

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on this issue are being taken by the Birmingham Local Authority. It ill

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behoves any member of the Labour Party to stand up and complain about

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the issues we have had to address with public spending because they

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are the direct result of a failure of a Labour government to manage our

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economy. Order. And there we have it, another 45

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minute session from Prime Minister's Questions, that is becoming the norm

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under Speaker Bercow. On the 6th of September, they will be back,

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briefly before they go off again for conference season. Jeremy Corbyn

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going strongly on the need to increase public sector pay,

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particularly at the lower end, teasing the Chancellor with the

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reports, or teasing the Prime Minister with the reports that said

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that public sector workers were overpaid. Broadening out his attack

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into general low pay and inequality. The Prime Minister giving the

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standard response that we need a strong economy to be able to tackle

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all of these things, and that is what she is trying to provide and

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wouldn't happen under Mr Corbyn. So, nothing we haven't heard before, but

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it has been the theme of the past several weeks and months of this

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battle between the two sides. We would just like to apologise to Keir

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Hardie who I said would turn in his grave at how posh the Labour Party

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has become. Somebody kindly treated to remind me that he was actually

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cremated and his ashes scattered, so turning over in his grave would be a

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physical impossibility. In fact, even if he had been buried, it would

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be a physical impossibility! In the finest traditions of accuracy. No

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fake news. On the issue of pay, more wind is

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said that praising emergency services was keeping payload is an

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insult, it is astounding that the Prime Minister cannot see it. Joe

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Stuart said he doesn't think on his feet enough, Jeremy Corbyn, he

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missed an open goal regarding the NHS. Ian White Lee says, Jeremy

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Corbyn going on the economy was never going to go well as Mrs May

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just batted him on his policies. She seems to have a spring in Hurst --

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her step, and it appears these jobs are so poorly paid, these new

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created jobs, that they don't pay income tax. And I would like to draw

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everyone's attention to this, showing an SNP MP wearing a football

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shirt. Hannah Ba Dell says, is that unparliamentary to show up in the

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house wearing a football shirt? I believe it is unparliamentary, this

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is coming from a woman who was told I have unparliamentary hair. I'm not

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sure she wants to wear that as a badge of honour or shame. I don't

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know this for a fact, but there has been a sports day event between MPs

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and journalists, and she may have come straight from that, but will

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she be told off? I think there will be a quiet word, yes. And you are

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not in unparliamentary attire now, but still not wearing a tie. Is this

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opening the floodgates? I'm not making a statement, it is just warm

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in here! What did we see today? We saw the Chancellor giving a very

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clear indication of what is going to happen to the public sector pay cap

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in the long term. He has dug his heels in on the 1% cap from what we

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hear, and we hear just about everything that goes on in Cabinet

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now. It's like we are there! And the Prime Minister is standing behind

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him for a good reason, the Cabinet, the Government, the Prime Minister

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and the Chancellor see an obvious need to retake the high ground of

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the economic argument, to reassert the case for fiscal competence,

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because that ground was slipping. It slipped during the election, they

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didn't expect that to happen, and before they move on the question of

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the pay cap, there is an eminent possibility of that. They want to do

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it from the position of strength and not weakness, and not allow Jeremy

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Corbyn to claim all of the credit. We will see what happens in the

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budget, because our vision only extends as far as the budget when

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the Chancellor has to make fresh calculation is an way up the

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politics. On the question Time session overall, Theresa May and

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Jeremy Corbyn, we thought they would give some wellie, and they both did.

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On her side, you could argue that that is perhaps low expectation, her

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side are lining up behind her and propping her up, she can't be seen

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to be stronger now than she was after the election, but she is more

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stable, and that is a lot because the party as a whole are sticking

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with her as strong as they possibly can. Survival equals stability in

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their mind at the moment, and that means keeping her where she is for

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the immediate future. Jeremy Corbyn was in campaign mode, and he will be

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heading off to do that over the summer holidays, 70 something

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constituents. Sarah is looking forward to it! That's my holiday!

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You need to get out more. The Prime Minister claimed that work

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is the route out of poverty, so why do 55% of poor families have

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somebody in work? The essence of what she was saying is that every

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week, a thousand people are coming in to work, 3 million people have

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been employed since 2010, our economy has grown since 2010 by 15%.

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That is the importance we need to focus on. Why are so many people in

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work still poor? There won't be the money for any breach of the 1% pay

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freeze if the economy doesn't grow. Let's come back to what I ask for

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other than generalise about the economy. If work is the route out of

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poverty, why are so many people in work in poverty? One in five workers

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are in poverty. I'm not sure whether is figures are coming from. The

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office of the National statistics. People have been taken out of paying

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tax altogether, we have increased the national minimum wage, and we

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need a working economy, going back to that point... You don't think

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there is a problem in this country now with low paid, with low pay,

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that people are working hard, following the Government's advice,

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they are told the work is the route out of poverty, get a job, welfare

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has been reconfigured to change the balance in favour of work and

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against welfare, and you think that after doing all that, there are

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still so many people on such low pay. There are 6 million people on

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less than the living wage. This is unfinished business, we need to keep

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working forward. But the alternative, which is to borrow

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more, tax more, we'll see unemployment rise, it will see

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interest rates rise as well, it will see inflation rise, too, and that

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would mean that the debt will rise as well. Tobias, the alternative...

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The alternative could be to invest in our workers, to skill them up and

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try to get a high-income generating economy, because then we all benefit

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from it, whereas we seem to be going to the lowest nominator. We are

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doing that with apprentice schemes... We could be doing that

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across-the-board. 3 million more British it introduced in 2010. They

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are not apprenticeships as the Germans would recognise them. Both

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parties have been pretty useless at this. They have never managed to

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introduce a German or Austrian type apprenticeship. But I have a

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question for you. The Leader of the Opposition said using an e-mail or

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something he had had from a nurse, claiming in effect that nurses have

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not had a pay rise for many years. That's not true, is it? It's not

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technically true. It is not accurately true. They would be

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getting their increase to the top of their banding, they have been

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getting 1%... No, the 1% is separate. A nurse starting in

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London, Tate London for an example, on ?26,500. Over seven years gets 4%

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per year of increments, progression, on top of whatever the 1% or 2% or

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0% may be. So after seven years, the salary is ?34,500. If they become a

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senior nurse. These are not huge salaries, I understand that, but it

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is not right to say that nurses' pay has been frozen, is it? Yes and no.

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What is happening with those nurses as they are getting more experience,

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more skills, moving up their pay grade, so they are getting more

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remuneration for that. What they are not getting was you would get a cost

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of living increase year-on-year. On top of that, but the pay hasn't been

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frozen, it may still not be enough and we have a shortage of nurses,

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which is a labour markets go to say it may not be enough, but I just

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wanted to establish that it hasn't been frozen. We need to move on, but

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John, she has made it to the summer recess. The Prime Minister. But they

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will all come back in September, fully refreshed, and she is straight

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into the Tory party conference. That's right. There is a common

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understanding that they can't afford a break-up crisis, a collapse in the

:25:21.:25:24.

party, which means the entire party, at this stage of the game. So they

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go into the summer recess very grateful that they have got as far

:25:29.:25:31.

as Thursday without anything blowing up. They might have a build-up to

:25:32.:25:36.

the party conference, we have seen that before in past years. There

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will be a great build-up of headlines and speculation and

:25:41.:25:42.

punditry that says this conference will be a car crash, a beauty

:25:43.:25:48.

contest for potential successors. It will be make or break the Theresa

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May. She will get a massive cheer, and everyone will walk away again,

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and the day after conference, it all begins again. It all begins again.

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John, thank you for that. We need to move on.

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Now, whilst we've been on air, MPs and journalists have been competing

:26:05.:26:07.

In a moment we'll find out who won the egg-and-spoon,

:26:08.:26:10.

three-legged and sack races, but we didn't want our studio

:26:11.:26:14.

guests to miss out - we know they are both very

:26:15.:26:17.

competitive - so Sarah and Tobias will be competing in that epic

:26:18.:26:20.

You don't have to jump over anything all run around the studio.

:26:21.:26:32.

Whilst you're doing that here's the Daily Politics'

:26:33.:26:34.

sports correspondent, Jenny Kumah.

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Journalists are used to chasing stories. MPs familiar with

:26:46.:26:51.

overcoming parliamentary hurdles. But who will come out the winner of

:26:52.:26:59.

this political sports day? We have named ourselves the Sporty Spices,

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Damian hasn't decided which one he is! We will do our best. The

:27:09.:27:17.

journalist who was fittest was the one who has all the long lunches!

:27:18.:27:23.

First up, the egg and spoon race. Won by times journalist Matt

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Chorley. I am elated. I was so pleased my egg didn't drop off! Vela

:27:29.:27:40.

cross-party team of the sports minister and her shadow member in

:27:41.:27:47.

the three legged race. But they're in initial joy turned sour after

:27:48.:27:53.

they were disqualified. The video clearly shows that you were not in

:27:54.:27:59.

fact three legged it. Pushing the Telegraph team into first place. So,

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can the MPs pull it back to win the tug-of-war?

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But had the politicians done enough to triumph over the media? In last

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place, MPs, if you would like to come and collect...

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This wasn't just all about winning or losing. The money raised from

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today's charity event will go to the Met police benevolent fund. Clearly

:28:33.:28:40.

they cheated. We played honourably. Damian Welch run an inquiry and

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unsubscribe to all of the newsletters. We can build on this. I

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am over the moon, my dreams have come true.

:28:49.:28:51.

I have been umpiring this fearsome game of tiddlywinks, and they are

:28:52.:28:58.

both doing reasonably well! Useless! I have given up.

:28:59.:29:08.

Guess the year was 1990, the poll tax riots gave it the clue. Tobias,

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could you press the button? And Andy from Birmingham, you got the answer

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right. The One O'Clock News is starting

:29:18.:29:18.

over on BBC One now. I will be here at noon tomorrow

:29:19.:29:21.

with all the big political The BBC Proms celebrates

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the extraordinary film music

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Defence minister Tobias Ellwood and shadow secretary of state for women and equalities Sarah Champion join Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn throughout the programme. As well as full coverage and analysis of the last PMQs of the term they look at BBC presenter pay, the ongoing Brexit negotiations and plans to allow university fees to rise above £9,000.


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