04/09/2017 Daily Politics


04/09/2017

Jo Coburn is joined by Conservative MP David Jones and Labour MP Angela Eagle on the first day back after Parliament's summer recess. They discuss the latest on Brexit.


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Hello, and welcome to the Daily Politics,

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our first programme back after the summer break, and guess

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With Brexit talks over the summer, little progress between the two

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The government faces a key test of its authority this week when MPs

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debate draft legislation on withdrawing from the EU.

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The PM, who's in Japan at the moment, says she's

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going to hang on in there and fight the next election.

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There's even talk of a reshuffle to bring potential Tory

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We'll be talking to new Tory darling, Jacob Rees-Mogg.

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We'll take a look back over Donald Trump's eventful summer.

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It's been a tough time for the President and it could get

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tougher following claims by North Korea that it's tested

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And as the nation returns to the grindstone, we'll be asking

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what could make your commute to work more bearable.

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Well, one travel expert gives us his opinion.

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How can we make rail passengers happy? I say it's time to put up

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train fares! All that in the next hour,

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and with us for the whole of the programme today,

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two of Westminster's finest, fresh-faced and invigorated

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following their summer break. Labour's Angela Eagle and

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the Conservative MP, David Jones. Angela's been writing a book

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all summer and David tells us he's been visiting a lot

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of agricultural shows. And if that doesn't fill your heart

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with warmth, the Duchess of Cambridge has announced she's

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expecting her third child. So, have you been walking in any

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mountings recently? Wales is very mountainous, I've done little else.

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I have done an awful lot of visiting agricultural shows which is what I

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mostly do in August. And the high point of your summer? My summer

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personally, it was going for to date Italy to visit a battlefield where

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my father fought in the Second World War. An emotional event for you.

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What about you, where you are following in the footsteps of Jeremy

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Corbyn and traipsing around marginal constituencies? No, I have been

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actually in deep in reading, and thought, about right-wing Tory

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economic policy. What fun for the summer! So that I can debunk it so I

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can do that in a book, I can't say a lot more at the moment, it out next

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year. So how you getting on with it? It's coming together. Sounds like

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quite a heavy Reid. I'm going to try and put some jokes in. Did you see

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Jeremy Corbyn perform at the Edinburgh fringe? I wasn't in the

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audience but I think it's important to have presence at all cultural

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event and Jeremy does that. What about this feeling of Groundhog Day,

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talking more about Brexit. And that is going to be what really dominates

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the next few weeks of this short session that we have in autumn. We

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have got the withdrawal bill coming through and that's going to be

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interesting, and I am sure that we are looking forward to seeing the

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way it develops. Are you looking forward to it, is it like Groundhog

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Day? Parliament is a particular place, you get a bit of extra

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scaffolding but not much else has changed. The Brexit bill will be a

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crucial part of the two weeks and we are going to have to make sure that

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are built that at the moment is not fit for purpose is considerably

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improved or we will not be going through the lobbies in support. Food

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for thought. What about the position papers, have you read all of them? I

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read most of them. You must have slept well. I am a swot. I read most

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of them. Which was your favourite? Adore the one on judicial

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Corporation was a classic of its kind. They reminded me of a series

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of fantasy books, they didn't have a lot to do with reality. It's about

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time the government start coming up with some actual detail about what

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they need... We will come to all of this, good to see party politics is

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alive and kicking in the first two minutes of the show!

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Last week the Prime Minister announced, to the suprise of many

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I think it's fair to say, that she wasn't a quitter

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and would lead the Tories into the next election.

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Well, let's talk now to Jacob Rees-Mogg, who emerged

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as the unexpected favourite over the summer to take her place.

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Are you on the news as? Of course I'm not, and you give me the

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splendid backdrop, photo shopped in. You are already in Downing Street! I

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haven't become your special Downing Street correspondent, but that would

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be a wonderful job to have. You have to be impartial and balanced. Unlike

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many people at the BBC, we will let that go! You are standing in front

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of number ten, how does it feel? It feels as fake as it is, I'm actually

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in a studio a few yards away from you. Are you and -- ambitious for a

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ministerial job? I am ambitious only to return to North Somerset and

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contribute to the development of ideas in the Conservative Party. I

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very much look forward to Angela's book because she is one of the most

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thoughtful members of the opposition and it will be very useful for

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conservatives to see how non-conservatives attack our views

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and positions, to see if we can remake the case back again. I think

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this battle of ideas it is so exciting, and it's what our system

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does so well. Wouldn't you be better placed to challenge what Angela is

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going to say in her book, and you have got over reader waiting. That

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is one, it is a start! You would be better doing it from a ministerial

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post, wouldn't you? We would have a lot more freedom to discuss issues

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from the backbenches because I'm not bound by collective responsibility.

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I do not have constraint upon me on what I'm allowed to say. And that's

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an easier position to be in and discussion board issues rather than

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ministers, -- and discuss broader issues. Are you surprised to find

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yourself as a frontrunner for a leadership which isn't yet vacant?

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I'm as astonished as you are. It's all jolly August stuff and now we're

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in September I imagine it will calm down. Where you disappointed by

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Theresa May's declaration that she's going to stay on and fight the next

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election? No, Isaac it's the right thing to say. Leaders need to give a

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clear guide to their intention to carry on. I understood why David

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Cameron said that he was going to go when he did, before the 2015

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election, but once leaders say that, their authority seat away and

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authority in politics is crucial for the ability to get things done. From

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some of the directions from backbenches, not you necessarily, I

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think there was incredulity that there was a declaration, she said

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she would leave it to the party to decide, but she would carry on. All

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leaders are servants of their party in some way and they cannot carry on

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if the party doesn't want them to use that will remain true. I would

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be very suspicious of anonymous briefings that tends to be by people

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who have other motives, all teary at its for saying things. Let's have

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people come out -- have all teary motives for saying things. Let's

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have people come out publicly. They were not all anonymous, some people

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were prepared to say publicly that they were surprised that she had

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declared such a thing having lost the Tory majority. Those comments

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were very politely and diffidently put, I do not think anyone said it

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was in possible or unreasonable. If you were asked to step up to the

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ministerial plate, there was talk of a reshuffle but that was quashed by

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Number ten, you would serve? When Mrs May was asked directly, she

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giggled, so I think my chances of a summons were limited. Boris Johnson

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became Foreign Secretary and some people thought that would be

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interesting. He is a great man and an inspirational representative of

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us a road. What would you do if you were offered a ministerial position?

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Imagine a little bit like that backdrop behind you, it is fake,

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you're not really in down the street, but just imagine there was a

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ministerial post, what would you like? This isn't going to happen,

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I'm very happy serving the people of North East Somerset, that's my role

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and that's what I enjoy doing. To start putting oneself forward is a

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great mistake. Heaven knows, next you'll be offering me the papacy.

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Yes, we've got time for that! Thank you very much, you can leave the

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studio now. Thank you The question

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The question for today is what did Brexit Secretary David Davis refer

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The future prime ministers, a charming bustard, soft and current

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cuddly, or Lazarus? Now, while our guests have been off

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sipping sangria and catching up on all those novels published

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since the 23rd June last year, the process

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of Brexit continues apace. It hasn't been much of a holiday

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for David Davis and Michel Barnier, nor for the hundreds of civil

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servants on each side engaged in trying to extricate the UK

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from the EU before March 2019. So what's been happening

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over the break? There have been two rounds

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of talks between the UK These have been dominated

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by discussions on citizens' rights, the Irish border and the financial

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settlement between the EU and UK. Over the summer, the UK

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released 11 position papers on Brexit, to go

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with the EU's nine. Future customs arrangements

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were covered, as well as citizens' But at a tense press

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conference last week, European Commission negotiator

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Michel Barnier said "no decisive While Brexit Secretary David Davis

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urged the EU to be "more imaginative The big sticking point is over

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the size of the UK's divorce bill, the financial settlement

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the UK will pay the EU. The UK side believe the EU's sums

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don't add up but the EU has accused the UK of refusing

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to honour its obligations. This weekend Michel Barnier has said

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part of his job is to educate the UK about the price of leaving

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the single market. This matters, because talks can't

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progress onto phase 2, the future relationship

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between the UK and EU, before sufficient progress

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on the matters of separation, including the divorce

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bill, have been agreed. Meanwhile, Labour announced a shift

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in its Brexit position this summer to staying inside the single

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market and customs union This could mean keeping free

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movement of people and other EU rules beyond March 2019,

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when the UK will leave the EU. On Thursday the government

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faces its first big Brexit-related test of the new parlimentary session

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with the second reading That was almost as long as the whole

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negotiation! Where 13 months on from the referendum vote, over six months

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after Article 50, what concrete achievements can you list? There has

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been progress, there has been a series of talks. The big issue as

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you rightly said in your introduction is the question of

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money, no doubt. It's now up to the EU how they calculate their demands.

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They need to tell us. We have seen a number of demands from 60 billion to

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100 billion, and none have been computed. We will talk about the

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precise money at the moment but you haven't answered the question on

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what concrete achievements you can point to. There have been some

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achievements, last week there was agreement as to the issue of health

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care for expats living in the EU and the U UK. That isn't really a major

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issue. Not in terms of the divorce Bill, EU citizens leaving -- living

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here and UK citizens abroad. We have to understand that the EU has struck

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its position and made it clear that it wants agreement on the issues

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that you outlined in your introduction. And for so long as

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they actually maintain that position, there will be no progress

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which is why David Davies quite rightly said the other day that we

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need to see some more flexibility and imagination on the part of the

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EU, because if, for example, they insist on resolving the Irish

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question before resolving the issue of trading arrangements, we will

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never get anywhere. He published these papers which didn't really say

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anything in terms of what he wanted to achieve, it was very much about

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aspiration, I read a number of them. There isn't much progress on the

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issue of the Irish border and on citizens rights and the clock is

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ticking towards March 2019 and you blame the commission for being

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intransigent, but you know what Michel Barnier's mandate was from

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the other 27 member states so why you complaining? I'm complaining

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about the fact that he is quite clearly constrained by the mandate

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you have been given. But you agreed to it, he agreed to settling the

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divorce Bill first before moving to talk about a trade deal. Until such

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time that we can agree a future relationship, we won't get anywhere.

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So why did David Davies signed up to doing it, he was wrong? I have not

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been in the Brexit Department for a while. What I would say is this,

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until such time as the EU recognise that there's got to be agreement as

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to the future relationship, which is actually prescribed in Article 50

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itself, we will not make progress and it's as much in their interests

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to get that progress as ours. So you want the government to state that it

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wants to change how these negotiations are handled, that

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you're not going to settle the divorce Bill? No, what I want is the

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EU to recognise that Article 50 prescribed that the future

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relationship is something that has to be considered now and this is

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something that they're failing to do.

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What is wrong with the EU saying you need to meet your obligations that

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you signed up to when the UK said it would honour its financial

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commitment in the seven-year multiannual framework? There's

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nothing wrong with fulfilling our obligations, the question is what

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they are. Are they those - should we pay for the seven years to 2020?

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Well, we clearly do have about only Gration to make some payment and I

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think everybody agrees that. I think the important thing is that the EU

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shouldn't be coming up with firs they've clearly plucked out of the

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air like 100 billion euro. It's a negotiation isn't it? But rather

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saying how they've calculated their demands. Over the weekend we saw the

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figure of 50 billion mooted as the amount of the so-called divorce

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bill. If that figure was spread over a transitional period, would you

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accept it for frictionless tariff free trade with the EU? No. I don't

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think we should be paying to trade. I don't think you pay a trading

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partner to trade with you. We need to have a proper calculation of the

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way that the EU have come up with this sum and then say yes, let's

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talk about it. At the moment, they are not doing it. Labour's changed

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its position, Angela Eagle, when it comes to the EU and the

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negotiations. Jeremy Corbyn sacked three MPs for voting for an

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amendment. Now Labour is saying it wants to stay in the single market

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and customs union during the transitional period so should they

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get their jobs back? Firstly it's for Jeremy to make his own Shadow

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Cabinet up but I think the key thing that hasn't changed is that we've

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always said jobs and the economy have to come first and what Keir

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Starmer's been saying just recently over summer is that at least for the

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transition period, we need to stay in the customs union and the single

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market. That is a change in position though from the manifesto? Let me

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give you an example of why. Just up the road from my constituency, there

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is the Ellesmere Port automotive plant. When I visited them, they do

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70%-odd of their trade with Europe. The supply chain is completely mixed

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up across Europe. They told me that coming out of the customs union

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would cost an extra 125 million a year just for that plant. But you

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are not honouring the result of the referendum. Of course we are. No you

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are not. Hang on. That put all of that trade and all of the jobs that

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my constituents do at risk. The people who voted to leave the EU...

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It's not what Labour said. Can I remind you what they said. Hang on,

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Angela Eagle. In the manifesto, it states very clearly that Labour will

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end freedom of movement, one of the four pillars of the single market.

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In order to end free movement, it means you leave the single market.

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If March 2019 is the date the UK leaves under Labour, we won't leave,

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we'll still be in the single markets and customs union and we'll still

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have the European Court of Justice making laws that the UK will have to

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buy and -- will have to abide by and nothing will have changed. We said

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we'd put jobs and the economy first for a very good reason. As the All

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Party Group that published its report on customs ahead of the

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Government a couple of weeks ago demonstrated, leaving the customs

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union and the single market potentially puts the cost of ?25

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billion a year. Into the far future... What do you say to the 49%

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who voted to leave in Wallasey? What I'm going to say to them and what I

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said to them and have always said to them is, we are trying to get the

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best deal. We need a Government that wants to engage and get a good deal.

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What we've got is a sort of Government led by a zombie Prime

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Minister who is in the middle of being dealt with by people who want

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to succeed her who can't make progress in Europe. It's 13-14

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months after the referendum, we've made no progress. The clock is

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ticking. Time is running out. They've got a point haven't they?

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They haven't because the time when they should have been making the

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objections was when the notification of Bill went through. That went

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through completely unamended. Now we have the Labour Party in an utterly

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incoherent position. No we are not. Their position is career -- clear

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but it's changed. Tom Watson is saying we need to remain in the

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customs union and the single market. Could you see a situation where you

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would support the UK staying in the single market in perpetuity? I

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wouldn't personally object to that. That is not our frontbench position.

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But let me say this, it's really important that this is a negotiate

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#14u7b and that we get the best possible deal -- negotiation. You

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don't do that by striking vein glorious posers like the Government

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has. The clock is ticking down. My constituents' prosperity is at stake

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here. Jobs, future prospects - it's really important the Government gets

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this right. This is about an issue of trust. One out of ten. That is

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the view of my two guests. So that's the view of two MPs

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but what do you make of the government's

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negotiating efforts so far? Ellie and the moodbox came out

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of summer hibernation to find out. One of only five boroughs of London

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who voted to leave in last It was also home for more

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than 50 years to Ted Heath, a Tory who arguably got us

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into all this EU stuff So, the perfect place

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to ask the question, do you have confidence

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in the government's handling I just think they don't really

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know what they're doing. When we voted for Brexit,

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we voted for a clean break, now it's all a little bit

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here and a little bit there and sooner or later we're

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still going to be tied I'm going to have to be confident

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and say yes, because in the end, Do you have confidence in

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the government to negotiate Brexit? All we can do is say,

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hope for the best. Boris Johnson just sums it up,

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he's an idiot abroad, and if that's our face,

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of what we're planning to do, They can negotiate a deal,

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whether it will be a good I don't think that the

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Europeans actually want us Um...I'm going to be positive,

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yes. Sir, good deal on Brexit, Do you trust the government

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to deliver a decent deal on breakfast, I mean,

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Brexit? So no love lost in Brussels

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whether divorce negotiations are well underway and it would seem

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good people of Bexley It was a close run thing but it

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seems there isn't a great deal of confidence in the government's

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negotiations so far. You can understand why people don't

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have trust in the Government, some people. Theresa May said she'd cut

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net migration to the tens of thousands, she didn't. She said

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there would be no snap election, then she called one and she lost the

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Tory majority. Why would she inspire confidence? I would say, by the way,

:24:08.:24:12.

that moodbox showed possibly a fairly even split which reflected

:24:13.:24:16.

the referendum outcome so I think possibly people were continuing the

:24:17.:24:19.

sentiment. And the answer to my question? I think that what we have

:24:20.:24:26.

seen so far is a positive approach to the Brexit issue. But I'm talking

:24:27.:24:30.

about trust in Theresa May. Why would she inspire confidence,

:24:31.:24:33.

bearing in mind what's happened? Because I believe that her approach

:24:34.:24:36.

has been proven to be entirely correct. We had a proper period

:24:37.:24:40.

analysing the British economy which was the right thing to do. We then

:24:41.:24:45.

published a White Paper, we then had the notification of the withdrawal

:24:46.:24:48.

Bill. But that's process, anyone could have done that. But the

:24:49.:24:53.

process is absolutely essential. Are you pleased she said she will stay

:24:54.:24:57.

on for the full five years and stay there until the next general

:24:58.:25:02.

election? As Jacob Rees-Mogg said, we need to seed our leader lead. She

:25:03.:25:07.

is saying she intends to be there to take us through Brexit. I understand

:25:08.:25:11.

that. Do you think she will. I do. Do you support her? Of course I do.

:25:12.:25:16.

It's essential that we take this country out of the European Union on

:25:17.:25:19.

the best possible terms and she's the right person to do it. There is

:25:20.:25:23.

a war goingen in the Conservative Party at the moment about who the

:25:24.:25:27.

next leader is going to be and it's clear that Theresa May isn't going

:25:28.:25:31.

to lead them into the next... Why is it clear Because they know... Who

:25:32.:25:35.

would be the next one then? Who knows. They had a clear... That's a

:25:36.:25:42.

problem... She would have been gone already. George Osborne has

:25:43.:25:49.

described Theresa May's premiership as a second rate horror show. He's

:25:50.:25:53.

described her as a dead woman walking. Do you believe Jeremy

:25:54.:25:58.

Corbyn will endure into the next election or lead you into the next

:25:59.:26:01.

election? You are running the country at a crucial time for our

:26:02.:26:06.

future history. You are the the alternative Government. Do you think

:26:07.:26:10.

Jeremy Corbyn will lead you there. I am sure he will. Would you like to

:26:11.:26:14.

see him do that? He did a good job in the election and if he wants to

:26:15.:26:17.

lead us into the next one, he will. Was it a difficult thing to persuade

:26:18.:26:22.

him... It's worrying about losing to Labour that's knocking the Prime

:26:23.:26:26.

Minister off her Perch. Well, on that basis, this idea that MPs need

:26:27.:26:30.

to back Brexit or get Jeremy Corbyn, what is the problem with amending a

:26:31.:26:34.

piece of legislation, the withdrawal Bill, how is it you get Jeremy

:26:35.:26:37.

Corbyn if you back an amendment? Because now is not the time to do

:26:38.:26:41.

it. The time for amendments... You don't get Jeremy Corbyn do you

:26:42.:26:46.

from... No, no, no, the time for amendments was the notification of

:26:47.:26:50.

the withdrawal Bill. We crossed the rule bill within parent I'm sorry.

:26:51.:26:58.

So Anna Soubry, is she a traitor? She'll have to consider where her

:26:59.:27:03.

loyalty lies. Or? Thing is what she needs to do. I think... We are going

:27:04.:27:08.

to come back to you. Ministers need the power to change law on Labour

:27:09.:27:11.

law without referring to Parliament. That's not true. We are going to

:27:12.:27:15.

discuss this later in the week when it comes back to Parliament on

:27:16.:27:20.

Thursday. Have you spoken to Tory backbenchers to support you by the

:27:21.:27:25.

way on that Plenty of that going on. How many? I'm not going to discuss

:27:26.:27:30.

that. That might be the problem. But it's happening is it? Are you

:27:31.:27:35.

worried about that? We have a few that will be supported too.

:27:36.:27:36.

Earlier I spoke to the Polish MEP Danuta Hubner, and I started

:27:37.:27:39.

by asking her why the UK should agree to any figure for a financial

:27:40.:27:42.

settlement before the start of discussions about the future

:27:43.:27:45.

You know very well we are not talking about figures yet.

:27:46.:27:53.

All we are talking and all we need to progress and to have

:27:54.:27:57.

agreement on is the methodology of calculating the bill.

:27:58.:28:02.

Here we see that the position of the UK is practically just stuck,

:28:03.:28:07.

there's no progress, there is a completely different

:28:08.:28:12.

diverging view on the approach to the financial bill

:28:13.:28:17.

There is no agreement on the legal basis.

:28:18.:28:26.

This is something which, of course, the EU side cannot accept,

:28:27.:28:28.

that's why, unless we are also seeing a more constructive approach

:28:29.:28:33.

on the UK side, we can make progress on this.

:28:34.:28:36.

We are not talking yet about figures, we are just talking

:28:37.:28:42.

about the legally binding commitments.

:28:43.:28:44.

There is a dispute about whether they are legally

:28:45.:28:47.

binding but certainly, David Davis, the Brexit

:28:48.:28:49.

secretary, has said there are moral obligations.

:28:50.:28:52.

Do you think the UK should pay anything above what it's previously

:28:53.:28:58.

signed up to in the 2014-2020 multilateral financial framework?

:28:59.:29:04.

You know, it's quite actually amazing because we hear also

:29:05.:29:08.

from all those who benefit from the programmes and projects

:29:09.:29:14.

which are confined to the EU budget to which every

:29:15.:29:16.

We hear the last position of the UK that the UK should not pay

:29:17.:29:25.

a penny beyond the exit from the European Union,

:29:26.:29:31.

then you start thinking there is no understanding at all of how

:29:32.:29:33.

the European Union functions and what the budget

:29:34.:29:36.

So that is amazing for a country that's spent with us

:29:37.:29:40.

That's why we have here this disparity

:29:41.:29:48.

Negotiation of course can bring different results,

:29:49.:29:58.

but we have also made it clear from the very beginning

:29:59.:30:02.

that we need this sequencing, that there is a logic

:30:03.:30:05.

because the Article 50 says that we have to know the future

:30:06.:30:10.

aspiration of the UK to agree on the transition period.

:30:11.:30:13.

So we want to know the future position but we have to reach

:30:14.:30:17.

a certain level of advancement of the negotiations that would allow

:30:18.:30:21.

us to do that in line with the mandate we have.

:30:22.:30:28.

Do you think it helps though that when Michel Barnier...

:30:29.:30:31.

There is one more thing we need to remember.

:30:32.:30:33.

Sorry, do you think it helps when Michel Barnier uses language

:30:34.:30:36.

like, we need to teach the UK what it means to leave

:30:37.:30:40.

the single market and we need to educate the UK.

:30:41.:30:43.

Do you think that's language that helps bring two sides together?

:30:44.:30:47.

I think on both sides during the negotiations,

:30:48.:30:53.

there is this risk of the language and we probably here can find a lot

:30:54.:30:59.

of examples of the British language and etc specially of some British

:31:00.:31:05.

politicians who is, the language, using the language

:31:06.:31:07.

which is unacceptable, I think even the British reality.

:31:08.:31:09.

So sometimes we go far with our long wadge because we want to also make

:31:10.:31:13.

the other side understand and what Michel Barnier is trying

:31:14.:31:16.

to say is that the single market is, if I can use your approach,

:31:17.:31:19.

single market is single market and single market

:31:20.:31:21.

if you are a member of it, there are commitments and the single

:31:22.:31:25.

This is the most important achievement of European integration,

:31:26.:31:30.

we cannot dismantle it for the sake of those negotiations.

:31:31.:31:35.

We are all very strong when it comes to a single market.

:31:36.:31:42.

Let's have a look though at what is being put forward by the EU.

:31:43.:31:48.

There is a sense in the UK that the EU may be prepared to bear

:31:49.:31:52.

some economic pain to make a political point.

:31:53.:31:56.

The UK is Poland's second biggest export market

:31:57.:32:00.

Are you happy to risk that relationship, that

:32:01.:32:07.

economic relationship, in order to make your political

:32:08.:32:09.

You know, there are different stages and aspects of the negotiations

:32:10.:32:19.

and there's a very clear withdrawal from the European Union and then

:32:20.:32:22.

there is this single market and customs union which we hear

:32:23.:32:25.

from the British side is just really a misunderstanding of what leaving

:32:26.:32:33.

the single market or leaving the customs union means.

:32:34.:32:37.

So we all would like to have the UK within the single market

:32:38.:32:43.

and within the customs union but that, of course,

:32:44.:32:47.

what would be the difference between belonging or being a member

:32:48.:32:53.

and to benefitting from everything that the single market oftens,

:32:54.:32:56.

so we are in this process of clearly trying to understand

:32:57.:33:00.

what is the final aspiration of the Brits to stay,

:33:01.:33:04.

Will it be happy smiles all round at the end of this?

:33:05.:33:13.

You know, everything is good what ends good and I can assure

:33:14.:33:16.

you that here on the EU side and on the European Parliament side,

:33:17.:33:23.

on the Council side and Commission side, I think we are all very

:33:24.:33:26.

seriously committed to have a good deal and to have a good

:33:27.:33:29.

If there is a good end to something which is I think something

:33:30.:33:33.

that we don't see as a good solution, also for the long-term

:33:34.:33:37.

future of the UK, but it's up to the UK citizens to decide.

:33:38.:33:40.

They decided, they will have it and we'll spare no effort to make

:33:41.:33:43.

it all well organised, to ensure orderly Brexit,

:33:44.:33:47.

but we cannot do it ourselves, we need a good cooperation,

:33:48.:33:50.

taking into account the time factor with the British Government.

:33:51.:34:01.

Let's hear from Fleet Street's finest.

:34:02.:34:03.

Tom Newton Dunn from the Sun and Kate McCann from the Telegraph.

:34:04.:34:10.

Listening to some of that, would you make of it? Is a breakthrough likely

:34:11.:34:18.

between these two sides? I think over the weekend, the breakthrough

:34:19.:34:22.

with unlikely with Barnier and David Davis escalating the war of rhetoric

:34:23.:34:26.

to President at levels this morning have maybe -- to unprecedented

:34:27.:34:37.

levels. This morning, we have just had the spokesman for the Prime

:34:38.:34:42.

Minister saying that they want to intensify negotiations, David Davis

:34:43.:34:46.

wants to move from this one week a month, slightly staid and cumbersome

:34:47.:34:52.

process, to rolling week on week until they find a way through the

:34:53.:34:55.

deadlock. No one wants to leave the room until a solution is found.

:34:56.:35:00.

Lucky them! Do you think the timelines for Brexit are now

:35:01.:35:04.

interested the? Even if they do intensify the number of times they

:35:05.:35:11.

need to talk about it. Is it in jeopardy? I think most people think

:35:12.:35:18.

so, you can see the tension between Barnier and David Davis, in fact

:35:19.:35:21.

Barnier said, I am not angry now, and when I am, you will know about

:35:22.:35:29.

it. The report overnight on Politico about intensifying gauche issues,

:35:30.:35:35.

the government realise they need to step up, we are going to have

:35:36.:35:39.

position papers coming on trade and other issues this week. I think the

:35:40.:35:44.

government say they are being met with brick walls every step of the

:35:45.:35:48.

way. There were people over some are saying the position papers were

:35:49.:35:51.

there to show that something was being done in the absence of any

:35:52.:35:56.

real concrete progress. If the EU don't change their mind, or give

:35:57.:36:03.

Michel Barnier a more generous hand in the negotiations so he doesn't

:36:04.:36:06.

have too sick to this rigid sequencing, where is the

:36:07.:36:11.

breakthrough going to come? It's not just the sequencing which delays

:36:12.:36:16.

everything hugely, one week talks, three weeks and then we go back to

:36:17.:36:19.

27 different capitals and explain what they discussed, and then that

:36:20.:36:26.

is the problems with negotiating with the EU. The Greeks had it, the

:36:27.:36:31.

Japanese, Americans, you're talking to 27 different countries and it's

:36:32.:36:36.

time-consuming. I don't think we'll see any progress at all in real

:36:37.:36:40.

substance until we get to the EU Council in October, after the German

:36:41.:36:43.

elections when the 27 have a chance to get into a room for the first

:36:44.:36:47.

time and say, maybe we need to change this framework. Another

:36:48.:36:50.

breakthrough moment this morning was Nick Clegg, not known for his

:36:51.:36:54.

Euroscepticism, the arch Europhile in the country, admitting that

:36:55.:36:58.

perhaps the EU's position was a little bit rigid and it needed to be

:36:59.:37:01.

looked at. Michel Barnier being boxed in? You can see the 27 moving

:37:02.:37:05.

but not yet. Well, don't go away, Tom and Kate,

:37:06.:37:06.

because we don't just It's going to be a busy autumn term,

:37:07.:37:09.

so lets see what's in store Tomorrow, MPs return to Parliament

:37:10.:37:13.

after the summer recess, but their sitting will be

:37:14.:37:17.

short-lived as they then break again in two weeks

:37:18.:37:19.

for the Party Conference Season. Labour will meet in Brighton

:37:20.:37:21.

from 24th September, where they are expected to debate

:37:22.:37:23.

the so-called McDonnell amendment, to lower the number of MP

:37:24.:37:26.

nominations a candidate would need Next up the Conservatives

:37:27.:37:29.

meet in Manchester, where Theresa May reportedly plans

:37:30.:37:34.

to apologise to the party faithful In amongst that, German

:37:35.:37:38.

voters will decide whether Chancellor Angela Merkel

:37:39.:37:44.

will remain in post when they go to the polls on 24th September,

:37:45.:37:47.

a result that could impact the direction of Theresa May's

:37:48.:37:50.

Brexit negotiations. And November will see our

:37:51.:37:55.

Chancellor, Philip Hammond, give his second Budget for the year

:37:56.:37:58.

as he switches the timings Let's look ahead to the conferences.

:37:59.:38:11.

How would you assess Jeremy Corbyn's position going into that conference?

:38:12.:38:14.

I think he's in quite a good position. I think there is this

:38:15.:38:18.

McDonnell a moment discussion which has had this been taken out of the

:38:19.:38:23.

tail of it, there is no talk about replacing him, no talk about a

:38:24.:38:26.

successor, no talk about rebellion. I think what Labour has to be

:38:27.:38:33.

careful on in this comfort is Brexit, their single market position

:38:34.:38:37.

is all over the place, they have a number of MPs who have strong views

:38:38.:38:42.

about the single market, you have seen Tom Watson saying one thing and

:38:43.:38:45.

Keir Starmer saying something else, they need to get this together. When

:38:46.:38:49.

you bring these people together to talk about Brexit in one place, it's

:38:50.:38:53.

only going to generate more headlines about labour being split

:38:54.:38:57.

and not having a inherent argument. Anybody who had Barry Gardner this

:38:58.:39:00.

morning try to make the odd given that the public knew what they voted

:39:01.:39:08.

for, he knows that impossible to argue. The leadership is not being

:39:09.:39:13.

to be an issue. What about Theresa May, is her position strengthened

:39:14.:39:18.

after the summer? She survived. Until last week I think it was, she

:39:19.:39:24.

didn't good job bedding in and getting a good news grid and -- she

:39:25.:39:29.

did a decent job bedding in, and she showed a bit of humility and showed

:39:30.:39:33.

she had learned and she would change her star and governing. Then she

:39:34.:39:37.

went to Japan and effectively said, I want another decade in number ten.

:39:38.:39:41.

We were pretty surprised, those on the trip couldn't believe she meant

:39:42.:39:50.

to say it. I think she actually misspoke. It has revealed the

:39:51.:39:54.

fragility she still has with the respect of Tory MPs, they are

:39:55.:39:59.

prepared to forgive have that quickly. I think she had taken a

:40:00.:40:03.

couple of steps back with this unfortunate phraseology last week.

:40:04.:40:07.

Although some would say, what else would she say which was asked, will

:40:08.:40:12.

you go on and on? Because of the problems that previous prime

:40:13.:40:14.

ministers have had when they have named a departure date. What she

:40:15.:40:18.

could have done is made a token gesture, I think she went a little

:40:19.:40:21.

bit too far, she didn't mean to say, I will fight the next election, she

:40:22.:40:25.

probably meant to say, I am not a quitter and I will not give up but

:40:26.:40:29.

he didn't and that led to questions about leading us into another

:40:30.:40:34.

election. That is not where she meant the discussion to go. It's

:40:35.:40:36.

talk about the economy briefly, could that be the fly in the team

:40:37.:40:41.

and for government? If wages do not keep pace with prices, the value of

:40:42.:40:45.

the pound has fallen, growth is slower than had been thought, how

:40:46.:40:49.

big an issue is that going to be as an issue for conferences? A huge

:40:50.:40:55.

issue going forward over the next year or two years. It won't come to

:40:56.:41:00.

fruition quite yet, there is reporting in some newspapers this

:41:01.:41:03.

morning that he's going to lift the public sector pay cap which would be

:41:04.:41:10.

a very big deal indeed. -- that she is going to lift the pay cap. So the

:41:11.:41:18.

pay freeze will go, it will cost ?4 billion yesterday Chancellor will

:41:19.:41:21.

have to pay for that in the Budget but those are ways of showing that

:41:22.:41:25.

she feels the pain of austerity and to keep people ticking over and

:41:26.:41:28.

content with her government while the economy and growth begins to

:41:29.:41:34.

lesson. Taking that on board, if that is the case, lifting the public

:41:35.:41:39.

sector pay cap, what will that do to austerity and Philip Hammond when he

:41:40.:41:43.

goes forth with his next budget? It's difficult to know because there

:41:44.:41:46.

have already been reports that Philip Hammond and Theresa May and

:41:47.:41:49.

others in the government, and particularly the Cabinet, have not

:41:50.:41:53.

agreed on how far austerity should continue. I think Tom is right, the

:41:54.:41:57.

budget later this year will be an opportunity and the Prime Minister

:41:58.:42:00.

will want to use it to show that she understands that people are

:42:01.:42:04.

struggling in the country, so we will likely see things like housing

:42:05.:42:08.

policy change or something on stamp duty. These are areas where they are

:42:09.:42:12.

popular with the country you have to balance them with how they're going

:42:13.:42:15.

to be paid for and we are yet to see an answer for that question. Thank

:42:16.:42:17.

you very much for marking our cards. Now, here's a question

:42:18.:42:20.

for you to ponder on the 6:15 Are peak rail fares

:42:21.:42:22.

simply too cheap? Here's the Independent's Travel

:42:23.:42:25.

Editor, Simon Calder, on why he thinks some rail fares

:42:26.:42:29.

should rise above and beyond Waterloo Station, Europe's

:42:30.:42:32.

biggest transport terminal. It's an essential part

:42:33.:42:52.

of the nation's infrastructure. But a lot of the commuters I talked

:42:53.:42:55.

to here are deeply upset So how can we make rail

:42:56.:42:58.

passengers happier? I say it's time to

:42:59.:43:04.

put up train fares! In there, they've extended

:43:05.:43:15.

the platforms to take longer trains. And increasing capacity should ease

:43:16.:43:19.

overcrowding for a while at least. The reason trains are too crowded

:43:20.:43:24.

is because fares are too low. So we need to increase the cost

:43:25.:43:31.

of season tickets to the most popular trains while at the same

:43:32.:43:35.

time cutting prices to tempt travellers

:43:36.:43:37.

onto less popular services. Each year, the Department

:43:38.:43:42.

for Transport prescribes what train operators can charge for about half

:43:43.:43:45.

the tickets they sell. The government has the tricky task

:43:46.:43:47.

of balancing the interests of people who pay for the railways,

:43:48.:43:53.

most of whom are not regular train users,

:43:54.:43:56.

with the long-suffering passengers. The solution is to allow

:43:57.:44:01.

market forces to prevail. If I insist on arriving

:44:02.:44:04.

at a Central London terminus between eight and nine

:44:05.:44:07.

in the morning, for example, I should have to pay

:44:08.:44:10.

for a premium season ticket, while those who are more

:44:11.:44:13.

flexible get a better deal. This government, like its

:44:14.:44:17.

predecessors, regards that idea Make do and mend remains

:44:18.:44:20.

the order of the day. But the common complaint that fares

:44:21.:44:26.

are too high and trains are too If commuters really were paying

:44:27.:44:31.

too much, there'd be Getting up early for

:44:32.:44:36.

a cheaper train might be Yet, by hiking up prices at peak

:44:37.:44:43.

times for trains, everyone would For politicians as well

:44:44.:44:49.

as rail passengers, Simon Calder joins us now from our

:44:50.:45:12.

Salford studio. You may not win the popularity prize for this soap box

:45:13.:45:16.

but passenger who is already will no doubt pay thousands for peak travel

:45:17.:45:19.

tickets will be aghast at your suggestion. How could they afford

:45:20.:45:22.

further increases? Some of them will be able to. If you

:45:23.:45:26.

can't, you are going to have to accept that you are going to be

:45:27.:45:30.

arriving, for example, in Central London or in Manchester or Leeds or

:45:31.:45:35.

Glasgow, maybe uncomfortably early, maybe at 7. 45, rather than 8. 45.

:45:36.:45:42.

But, unfortunately, since we in this country have decided we don't really

:45:43.:45:47.

like the idea of extending what the marvellous Victorians did for us in

:45:48.:45:51.

terms of the railways, it's a very good way to manage capacity. It's

:45:52.:45:56.

much better than saying OK everybody buy season tickets at very good

:45:57.:46:01.

subsidised prices, off you all go and you can all stand up all the way

:46:02.:46:07.

from Guildford to London which is not pleasant for everybody. I don't

:46:08.:46:12.

feel people necessarily think they've got a bargain when buying

:46:13.:46:19.

the season tickets. If you look at comparisons in other countries, it

:46:20.:46:22.

may be the case, I don't know. People are forced to arrive at work,

:46:23.:46:25.

school or whatever it is at the time that is given to them? Well, maybe

:46:26.:46:31.

we need to talk more deeply about having some more flexibility built

:46:32.:46:34.

into businesses which would tolerate that. But people are also making a

:46:35.:46:40.

lifestyle choice to live in leafy Essex or Surrey or wherever and

:46:41.:46:44.

commute in from there. They could live in the outer suburbs of London,

:46:45.:46:48.

they could probably still afford somewhere, they wouldn't have such

:46:49.:46:50.

nice a lifestyle so they're making choices. It comes back to the fact

:46:51.:46:56.

that many people don't travel regularly by train and they're

:46:57.:47:00.

subsidising those of us lucky enough to travel frequently by train.

:47:01.:47:05.

Angela Eagle, are you convinced? Not at all. There's ban 32% increase in

:47:06.:47:11.

regulated fares since 2010 that people pay. There's been a ?3.5

:47:12.:47:19.

billion profit that the train operators have made and I just think

:47:20.:47:23.

that we need to get to a situation where we don't from this privatised

:47:24.:47:28.

rail system which has worked out a system of milking commuters for the

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maximum profit. What we need to do is have something that's actually

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properly coordinated by the Government so that we have a fairer

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way of doing things. I have to say, he's talked about trains and that's

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fair enough, but actually, most people require buses to get to and

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from work and we ought to think about that. It's far more people

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using the bus services which again, a deregulated thing outside of

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London. Let's stick to the trains. Prices have gone up and are still

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going up. Really, can you expect people to bear higher fares when

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quite often the service is not up to scratch? Well, I think that is a

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problem that's bedevilled serial governments. That may be so, but...

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I think Simon's idea's got the huge defect that most employers expect

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their employees to get into work at a particular time because that's the

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way that their particular sector of the economy works. But would people

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be prepared to pay more at peak times if the trains were punctual,

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if you had a seat on almost every journey you went into work for.

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Would that be worth pay ago premium for at peak times then it could be

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cheaper at other times? I think actual think prices are pretty high

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as they are and the railway operating companies have got a

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responsibility to bear. This is something that the Government is

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aderision. Are you going to get anywhere with this Simon listening

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to our guests? Sorry to quote not a very popular person, Jean-Claude

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Juncker, politicians know what to do, they just don't know how to get

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elected afterwards and honestly, you have to accept that there is a

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capacity squeeze going into London that price is going to be a pretty

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good way of regulating it, so yes, let's have a debate about

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renalisation, swreked had one any time between 1997 and 2010 Angela

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Eagle when Labour was in power but you didn't. That's a debate worth

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having, the basic problem is too many of us want to go to our big

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cities in the rush hour at peak time. It's a zero sum game. Give

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some people more expensive fare bus use that to let people effectively

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sit around at London Victoria or wherever having a coffee while

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waiting for the train and having got up early to get there earlier too.

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Now, hands up who follows the President of the

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Well, if you do, you'll know he's had a busy summer,

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Just as well he doesn't believe in vacations.

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Very disappointed with the Attorney General

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The President certainly felt that Anthony's comments

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were inappropriate for a person in that position.

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I want to congratulate you on having done a fantastic job, General,

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and we look forward to, if it's possible, an even better

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Trump's promise to repeal and replace Obamacare crashed

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and burned on the floor of the Senate.

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Have you seen any Russians in West Virginia or Ohio or Pennsylvania?

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Hate has come to the streets of this southern American city.

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This egregious display of hatred, bigotry and

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The President's everyone is to blame response,

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and silence until now, met a firestorm of criticism.

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Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name

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Including the KKK, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists.

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It's epic what happened, but you know what, it

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happened in Texas and Texas can handle anything.

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I'm joined now by Kate Andrews from the Institute of Economic Affairs

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and by Molly Kiniry who works at the Legatum Institute.

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She's also a spokesperson for Republicans Overseas.

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Kate, how would you sum up his summer? Hectic. Some of his

:52:17.:52:24.

responses have been erratic, out of his control and he ticked all the

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right boxes doing what he was supposed to do. Other controversies

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of his making when he went off script to respond to

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Charlottesville, mentioning at that point that there was violence on

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both sides which was shocking and inappropriate. So some of it has

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been his own making. He's been busy firing people. We have all known him

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to do so since his days of the Apprentice. At quite a pace in the

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recent months. What was the low point? Charlottesville. That did not

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enhance America's image abroad, how Americans are viewed abroad or how

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the Republican Party is viewed as a whole. Obviously, these are views

:53:07.:53:10.

which we all whole heart think condemn. White nationalism is not a

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mainstream view in the American body of politics. These were a few

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hundred disaffected young men mostly. But wasn't he reliant for

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his win as President? I think that Donald Trump perceives that. My

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analysis would be different. I don't think this is a sufficiently large

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portion of the election rat that it swung the tide for him. He's had to

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do with some turbulent personnel changes. They happened so quickly, I

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couldn't keep up with them. He made some bad choices didn't he for Team

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Trump? He did. The a problem with Charlottesville is that one of his

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main chiefs of staff, he was familiar and sympathetic to the

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white nationalists. We saw him leave immediately after Charlottesville

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and that was the right choice. We have had a large turnover in the

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communications department. I think his best pick so far has been

:54:09.:54:14.

General John Kelly. You do? Yes. He seems to be doing what he can to

:54:15.:54:19.

whip the President into shape. There have been fewer PR disasters since

:54:20.:54:23.

he's been brought on board. Certainly conditioned handle all of

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them but he's been a good choice. Before I ask my guests about their

:54:27.:54:31.

views overseas. Are Republicans worried that poor support is

:54:32.:54:35.

slipping away now? No. The poll numbers haven't been indicating that

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at all. President Trump seems to have a floor of 35-40% of people who

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simply aren't going anywhere, at least for the time being. Right.

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Isn't that the point - whatever happens and whatever he says and

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does, his core support is still pretty rock solid, Angela? That

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seems to be the case in American terms. I don't think he's doing a

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lot more the image of America abroad and, I have to say, waking up and

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finding out what is going on in North Korea and looking at the very

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mixed messages that the President has actually sent to Kim Jong Un in

:55:10.:55:15.

an escalating, very worrying situation, it doesn't make me sleep

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any easier at night. How worried are you about that? I would agree

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entirely with Angela. We are at the most crucial moment so far of the

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Trump presidency and I think what's happening in North Korea is a real

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test for him. At the moment, I have to say, what he's doing doesn't

:55:31.:55:34.

appear to be that coherent and I think that the world is waiting for

:55:35.:55:38.

a lead from America. How worried are Americans? How worried are you, are

:55:39.:55:43.

we on the brink of some sort of Amageddon? I don't think we are and

:55:44.:55:47.

that is why I am concerned that Trump is now setting his own version

:55:48.:55:51.

of a red line. Remember Obama's red line in Syria and when Assad used

:55:52.:55:55.

the chemical weapons, he didn't fulfil his word and his own red

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line. I think Trump's really at danger of doing that. He's

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threatening cutting off trade with China and threatening he's going to

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bring down fire in North Korea. I don't think we are going to have a

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nuclear war with Korea, but if we don't, he's set his own red line.

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That's the problem. He's said it will be met with fire and fury and

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he's set the red line. Yet what are the military options? They are

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frankly somewhat limited as Steve Bannon said in his last interview

:56:25.:56:30.

before he left the White House. They've not seen any math which

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doesn't show several million people in Seoul dying if that were to

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happen. Setting a red line is a new step but it's not like any of the

:56:43.:56:46.

previous steps have worked. North Korea's development of these weapons

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has been going on at exponential haste for the last few years so a

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new strategy is needed. Right. But beyond diplomacy which obviously has

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been tested and sanctioned, what else is there? Well, Donald Trump

:57:00.:57:05.

has suggested cutting off economic activity Which would harm China? Yes

:57:06.:57:09.

but also countries like Germany and Russia. And also the US. Yes, it

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would. If we two back then to what Republicans are thinking, oaf the

:57:17.:57:19.

summer Carl Bernstein, the Watergate journalist said there was now worry

:57:20.:57:24.

and concern at high levels in the Republican Party about whether

:57:25.:57:26.

Donald Trump is really fit to continue as President. Is that

:57:27.:57:32.

actually got -- has that actually got traction? I think that's

:57:33.:57:36.

tremendously unhelpful rhetoric. He was elected, not by majority, but

:57:37.:57:39.

through the system that we have which is the electoral college. He

:57:40.:57:43.

was elected democratically. I think we all have to hope that Mr Trump

:57:44.:57:47.

grows into the role and does well as President Obama said in his note

:57:48.:57:50.

which he left for Mr Trump on his first day in office, that we have to

:57:51.:57:54.

hope he does well because how the President does is a good indication

:57:55.:57:59.

of how the country is doing. What did you think about that when you

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saw the Dwight about Republicans beginning to think this is enough? I

:58:04.:58:07.

think the Republicans have always thought Donald Trump would be

:58:08.:58:10.

enough. They never wanted him to be the nominee but because so many

:58:11.:58:16.

refused to drop out of the race he ended up being that and we picked up

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the pieces. Now just time for the answer of the quiz:

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What is the correct answer? Soft and cuddly. Charming. Yes, yes it was.

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Let's have a look. A charming person. We won't find out what you

:58:43.:58:47.

really think of him. Thank you to all of my guests and particularly to

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my guests of the day. The BBC News is starting at 1 on BBC One. See you

:58:53.:58:54.

tomorrow. Bye. Owen Quine - he's a very famous

:58:55.:59:00.

and good novelist. He's gone off before,

:59:01.:59:02.

only this time it's been ten days. I'm an investigator.

:59:03.:59:06.

His wife's very worried for him. Owen has written a very thinly

:59:07.:59:09.

disguised slandering

:59:10.:59:13.

Jo Coburn is joined by Conservative MP David Jones and Labour MP Angela Eagle on the first day back after Parliament's summer recess. They discuss the latest on the Brexit negotiations, Theresa May's leadership and whether rail fares should go up to improve services.


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