06/09/2017 Daily Politics


06/09/2017

Jo Coburn is joined by Robin Walker and Owen Smith to examine the leaked immigration document that suggests tough new curbs on migrants after Brexit.


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Good morning, welcome to the Daily Politics and Westminster,

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where a leaked document has given us the first real insight

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into how the government plans to cut immigration after Brexit.

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The plan hasn't been signed off by ministers. It puts British workers

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first. Labour has ordered its MPs to vote

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against the EU withdrawal bill. So is the party now singing

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from the same hymn sheet It's the first Prime

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Minister's Questions There's plenty to discuss and we'll

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have all the action live at noon. It was last year's must-have

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among fashionable festivalgoers. Now a T-shirt bearing

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Jeremy Corbyn's name guaranteed to banish any

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back-to-work blues you may be experiencing after

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the end of summer. Andrew's not quite come to terms

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with the arrival of autumn. He'll be back from his summer break

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in a couple of weeks. But I'm joined by two MPs who've

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been desperate to get back to Westminster and, more importantly

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into the Daily Politics studio. It's the Brexit Minister,

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Robin Walker and the Shadow Northern First, today, let's talk

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about the big story of the morning, the leaked Home Office plan

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for immigration post-Brexit. The government says it's not been

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signed off by ministers, but there's plenty of detail

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in the 82-page document A new more selective approach. This

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would focus on the UK's social and economic needs as determined by the

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Government to make existing residents better

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Work permits can be granted to low-skilled migrants for two years,

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residents better migrants for two years,

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and to high-skilled ones for five years.

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Employers will be encouraged to focus on the "resident

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while EU nationals may need permission to take up a job.

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So, as we said, the government is making it clear

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this isn't its final plan, and Defence Secretary Michael Fallon

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was asked about the leak this morning.

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off. I can't comment on the leaked document. I've not seen it. We're

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working on a whole series of documents which will set out what

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the future partnership with the rest of Europe will look like. Freedom of

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movement will no longer aplea. We will not be able to receive people

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from an unlime theed basis from the rest of Europe. Freedom of movement

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has to end when we leave. We need to set out the new arrangements. If you

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live in Europe and want to come and work here, how long you can stay,

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whether you can bring your family and so on. How much of this leaked

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immigration document do you agree with? As you know, ministers from

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the Government never comment on leaked documents. It was clear in

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the Conservative manifesto freedom of movement would be ending when we

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leave the EU. What we now need to do ask work on sensible policies to

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make sure what the needs of our economy is. Which the Home Office is

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doing by commissioning work from the advisory committee and we need to

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control migration in the future. You're not distancing yourself from

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the document or its proposals? You have goals you need to achieve.

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Let's go through it. One proposal says we should prioritise in the UK

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by giving preference in the job market to resident workers? Do you

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agree with that? I'm not getting into the detail. It is not a detail.

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It is a broad sentiment. Should preference in the job market be

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given to resident workers? Yes or no? We need to make sure we have the

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skills policy, the workers to work in our industries and support our

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economy. We have the immigration policy designed to meet the needs of

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our economy and demand from the British people to see greater

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control. That's what the Home Office is working on. When they present

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their policies later this year's we'll see thinky on both of those

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objectives. That's compatible with a preference in the job market to

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resident workers. British jobs for British workers? What I'm saying is

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we need to have a policy that he meets both those objectives. We need

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to continue to grow our economy, make the economic success story the

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UK has been. It is one of the greatest job creating economies in

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the Western World. We need to also deliver on this issue people are

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concerned that uncontrolled migration has led to pressure on

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public services, on wages. That's something there used to be consensus

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between the Conservative Party and Labour Party on. It appears Labour

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have moved away from that position. Should EU citizens who come to work

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here be able to bring their family members here too? We've been clear

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we want to take a generous approach when it comes to families. We want

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to make sure families can continue with their lives. So they should be

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able to? We're engaged in discussions with the EU on resip

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rock Calais rangements which protect both citizens. We need to address

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thattishure for people already here, the four million, a million living

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in Europe and 3 million in the UK. We need to look at how to go

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forward. I'm asking you a straightforward question. People

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watching this programme will think this document has been leaked. It

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has an awful lot of detail. The Government is not prepared to take

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ownership of it or reject it. We're talking broad principles here. In

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order to bring the numbers down to under 100,000 which this Government

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has failed to do since 2010, should EU citizens who come to work here be

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able to bring family members? If they can, you admit it will be more

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difficult to bring the numbers down? It will be as part of the policy set

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out, for the Home Office to set out the broad range of policies. One of

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the key areas people are concerned about is people who are coming to

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the country to look for work rather than having work. We will treat

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people fairly. It is very important we have to remember whatever

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decisions we take about EU nationals here, decisions will be taken about

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UK Nash nags living in the EU as well. Should there be a cap on

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overall number of low skilled workers which come in each yoer?

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This is again, something the Government will set out in its

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policy. We are looking at the impact on immigration on every area of the

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economy and every part of the UK. We need evidence-based policy on this.

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It is something on the table? I'm not commenting on leak dock the

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ofments -- leaked documents. Which sectors of the economy would have to

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carry on with fewer EU workers? I I think it is very important we are

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getting evidence from all sectors of the economy. Free movement as it

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existed today will come to an end once we've left the EU. That's a

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challenge for the Government, those seconders of the economy that may

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need to train more people up domestically and change they're

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prove. We have to ensure we have an approach which delivers for our

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economy and demand from the British people to see control. Do you think

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it is a good or bad idea the things we've talked about? ? Which once in

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particular? Having a cap on low skilled workers, on the numbers

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coming from the EU. Saying which family members can be brought over.

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British jobs for British workers. Gordon Brown coined that phrase?

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British jobs for British workers, I've no issue with that. It is our

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job to look after British citizens and British residents. I don't know

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why Robyn is so reticent about aCopting that as Pi significance. It

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is an aspiration not a policy? It is a policy I wouldn't have a

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difficulty. In terms of some of the other things you mention, do I think

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it is a good idea to have a specific cap on low-wage migrant workers?

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Truthfully, caps don't work. It hasn't worked getting it down to

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tens of thousands. We've seen some reduction in migration into this

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country from EU workers over the last 12 months. That's proving

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problematic in some industries. What do we he mean by low skilled, low

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wage workers? Nurses? Low skilled low watch workers is talked about

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having a wage of less than ?35,000 a year. That would catch nurses in the

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NHS on whom we are reliant. It would be really foolish of the Government

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to restrict the number of vital workers we bring in. It would be

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equally foolish if any restrictions were to damage our economy and jobs

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in this country. Do you agree some element of freedom of movement will

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be needed to get good access to the single market? It is possible. The

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reality of document seems to concede the promise made to the Brexiteers

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we would stop immigration into this country, all immigration was the

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implication, non-EU... They didn't say stop but reducing? Many people

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were left with the idea that immigration would stop into Britain.

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You don't want to end freedom of movement? What people want to see is

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a controlled system of immigration. It is not stopping immigration.

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We've been clear wep still want to attract the brightest and best. For

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up to five years? We want O'Attract people from around the EU and

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beyond. The point I was making was during the Brexit debate, many

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people were left with the impression that the primary objective of Brexit

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was to stop immigration. To get it down to dramatically low numbers.

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But that isn't stopping immigration. This document's getting more

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realistic. Yesterday, the Labour Party

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confirmed that it will instruct its MPs to vote against the government's

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EU withdrawal bill in the Commons That's the legislation which

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transfers existing European law And Labour says it amounts to a

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power grab that puts workers' rights and consumer and environmental

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protection at risk. So, is Labour's position

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on Brexit now clear? Let's take a look at what some

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of the party's senior figures have said about the single market

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since the referendum. The damage that would be done

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to our economy by pulling out of the single market at this time

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could be substantial. We wouldn't want to leave membership

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of the single market. Our aim is to have tariff-free

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trade access to Europe. I think we should put it

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in those terms, rather I think people will interpret

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membership of the single market You want to end up

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with the same benefits What we've said is,

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it's an open question. So the Labour position is this -

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we leave the European Union. As leaving the European Union

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means we need to leave We want to retain the benefits

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that we currently have as part of the customs union

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and the single market. Now, whether that inside

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or outside, that's a moot point. To be absolutely crystal clear,

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we leave the single European market No, the two things are

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inextricably linked. So we have to leave

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the single market? What we've said is,

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the transitional period, ie from March 2019 until we get

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to a new and final deal, will be within the customs union

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and with the single market. We think that being part

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of the customs union and the single market is important in those

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transitional times, because that's the way you protect jobs

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and the economy, and it might be a permanent outcome

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of the negotiations. It is not a U-turn,

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it is the development of our policy. Well, I hope that was all completely

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crystal clear. Owen Smith how long before Labour's Brexits Poings

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changes again? I think our Brexit position, it was slightly unfair.

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What was unfair? It was mixing up talking about the transitional

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period post March 2019 and through to the point of there being a final

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agreement. And the point after the final agreement. The clear policy

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from us right now is that between March 2019 and the final agreement

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on what the relationship with the EU is post-Brexit which would want to

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retain membership of the single market and a customs union. That's

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the least disadvantageous most certain thing from British industry

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and jobs. It is a changing position. Lots of noises after Labour after

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the referendum about remaining in the single market. Then Labour said

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we'll have to leave the single market to respect the referendum

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result. Some of the Shadow Cabinet suggested you could still be

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members. Jeremy Corbyn said you have to leave. Then Tom Watson said that

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could be permanent. You've gone full circle? Well, I've been consistent

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throughout this period. But your party hasn't? No, the Labour Party

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collectively voted to invoke Article 50. Thereby accepting we are leaving

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the EU in March 2019. You're saying we'll stay in the single market and

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in the customs union? No, in the single market and customs union in

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the transitional period from March 2019 through to the point of a final

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agreement. That's the sensible grown up thing to do. Where the Tories are

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making a problem for the country, industry, jobs, people who rely on a

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decent economy here, is the uncertainty that now pertains.

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They're trying to get a guaranteed bespoke transitional set of

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arrangements in place. Everybody can see who's been watching these

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negotiations there's no prospects of that What should happen after the

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transitional period? You have to see what the best possible deal is. That

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gives us the benefits of being in the single market. Do you agree

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Labour might suggest permanently remaining in the single market? It

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could be that what we end up with is a deal with looks exactly like

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staying in the single market. Or having... Let's be clear to people,

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it's confusing listening to all the various scenarios that could unfold

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You're making it more confusing than it is. Keir starnler says you want

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to stay in the single market during the transitional period. Tom Watson

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is consistent about a permanent position within the single market

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beyond the transition. Does that include retaining freedom of

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movement? To be clear, Keir said last week we

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still won the same benefits the government has promised us. That

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might mean that the deal we negotiate with the EU is tantamount

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to remaining in the single market. Good freedom of movement continue

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past March 2019? I think the Government has conceded in this

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league report today that there is going to be a degree of freedom of

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movement, that we're not going to shift to ending all move between the

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EU and the UK but there may be extra elements to it. Is that what is

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being said? What we're seen from the Labour Party... What about what is a

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document, and exactly what is freedom of movement? I'm not talking

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about what is the document but it is clear that freedom of movement well

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end when we beat the EU. What we need to do is design a new policy.

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On this issue of transition, we've accepted that there will be interim

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arrangements and we will look at putting in place. It is not for the

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Labour Party, as a party of opposition, to dictate the outcome

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of his negotiation is. They should be engaging with making this process

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a success. The extraordinary thing is the U-turn ear, which you owe and

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can say he has been consistent on, having voted for notification of

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withdrawal... His concession weblog is -- his position seems to be

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inconsistent. We have to move on. Now, when Parliament broke up

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for the summer recess, Theresa May's end of term exam performance

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was decidedly less than stellar. We're not exactly sure what losing

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the Conservative majority equates to under the new examination

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guidelines, but we're pretty sure for the Tories

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it's far from an A-star. But as she's now said she wants

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to lead the party into the next election she's keen to show

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there's more to life than Brexit. Yes, as MPs return for a new term,

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and the Prime Minister prepares can she turn herself

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into the comeback kid? Her government is certainly keen

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to ensure Brexit negotiations don't squeeze out all the

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other subjects on the timetable. Theresa May says she still wants

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to remedy some of those 'burning back when she was a

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fresh-faced Head Girl. The school sick bay

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could get a revamp. Today, she's talking about ensuring

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equal treatment for mental Schools around the country

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should get spruced up. An additional ?1.3 billion has been

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announced over the next two years. But the younger crowd

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haven't shown much love And, to that end, Theresa May

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is planning to free up public sector land to build thousands

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of new homes. It's been suggested that her broad

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plan to make everyone better off will involve lifting

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the public sector pay cap. Making changes to public services

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after her audit on how they treat racial minorities

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is finally published. And reforming corporate

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governance to give workers But will all that amount

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to a significant domestic agenda, or does she still have plenty

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of homework to do? Thank you. Let's speak to the media

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strategic strategist Joe Tanner, who used to work the Conservatives.

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Welcome to the Daily Politics. Theresa May has been in office for

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over a year and came into Downing Street with a big pitch for a

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different kind of conservatism. Catchy, in your mind, really

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delivered on that bold agenda? No, and that is clearly whether workers

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to do. Some of the groundwork has been put in place, such as the audit

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that your colleague mentioned but I think the really important work now

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is not only about the domestic agenda she's got a real job to shore

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up the Conservative Party ahead of the conferences to it Isn't it true

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that Brexiters going to influence and shape everything that is done,

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even on the domestic agenda? That is the huge challenge that Theresa May

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faced in the minute she took over as Prime Minister because we knew that

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this period was going to be dominated by Brexit and I think part

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of the problem is that because of potentially a domestic void in terms

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of the domestic policy agenda, we have seen Brexit completely

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dominate. There is the question that everything will be viewed through

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the prism of Brexit and what it could mean but I think that

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shouldn't stop her from trying to get on with some of the things she

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talked about when she made her first speech on the steps of Downing

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Street. But we all know from the result of the election that there

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were a lot of voters who like the offer from Labour and Jeremy Corbyn,

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so do you think there will be moved by the Conservatives under Theresa

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May to park their tanks on Labour's lawn? You probably stole the phrase

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I was going to use because I think that is exactly what not only

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activists and donors and potentially her Parliamentary colleagues are

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going to be looking for from her now... Because there is clearly a

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great fear amongst the Conservatives about how much ground Labour managed

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to make in the election and, they be speak to a lot of Conservatives by

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surprise. So there is a huge amount to do now, not just about delivering

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on that domestic agenda but actually coming up with some stuff that is

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going to capture people's imagination. Going to show the

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Conservatives can stand for something more than austerity, some

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kind of hope, and that is what Theresa May needs to deliver now. Do

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you think she has done enough to see off critics and opponents from

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within the Conservative Party? I don't mean she has really started

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yet, if I'm honest. The period post the election, one of the

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difficulties was that very awkward speech made after the result, which

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a lot of people felt she should have been far more respect for the people

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that had lost their seats and she should have acknowledged that more

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and she didn't, and there was a lot of catching up to do around that

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period, and I think that has upset quite a lot of Conservatives. But

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the party conferences going to be about healing wounds, about looking

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inwards and seeing what went wrong. We're already seeing the start of

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some of that narrative beginning, and I think she really started on

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that journey to not only repair the damage but to ensure she's got a

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group of people fully supportive and behind her. Thank you very much.

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That is from a friend of the Conservative Party, Jo Tanner. We

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have got to deliver on a broad domestic agenda. When the Prime

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Minister entered Downing Street she was clear that there had to be a

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programme for a fairer Britain that works for everyone and that is

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something that I think with some of the announcements you covered in

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your piece around improving investment in schools, the enormous

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expansion of investment into the NHS and hiring more staff... We are

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seeing elements of that but of course there is more to do and it is

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important that we get on with setting up the positive view of the

:23:29.:23:31.

opportunities. You say there is more to do but you have not really

:23:32.:23:34.

started. Can you give me any examples in that first year where

:23:35.:23:38.

Theresa May's government has demonstrably improve the lives of

:23:39.:23:43.

British people? Absolutely, the investments in mental health, the

:23:44.:23:46.

commitment to a living wage and increasing payments to the lowest

:23:47.:23:49.

paid, these are substantial investments that the government has

:23:50.:23:53.

made. I have been campaigning for years for fairer funding for our

:23:54.:23:56.

schools under fair of allocating that. Why did so many Tory MPs rebel

:23:57.:24:04.

against the idea of that funding formula? Any change to the

:24:05.:24:08.

allocation formula is going to be controversial but this is something

:24:09.:24:11.

that parts... There were more losers than winners. We have come up with a

:24:12.:24:18.

policy that really benefits us and increases opportunity. If you have

:24:19.:24:21.

done so much in the way you have just set up, why do so few people

:24:22.:24:24.

trust you on issues like housing and the NHS? We shouldn't forget the

:24:25.:24:28.

fact that we did actually win the election. There were more people who

:24:29.:24:31.

voted Conservative in the last general election... You lost your

:24:32.:24:37.

majority. I kept my majority, thank you. The Tories lost the majority.

:24:38.:24:43.

Nationally, what we saw as the two major part is getting a far greater

:24:44.:24:47.

share than they had had before but the reality is that the Conservative

:24:48.:24:50.

Party has a strong mandate to take this country forward. We will use

:24:51.:24:53.

that mandate to deliver the fairer Britain that Theresa May set out in

:24:54.:24:58.

her Downing Street speech and it is very important we get right, of

:24:59.:25:01.

course it is, we need to make sure we take the right approach. It is

:25:02.:25:06.

not just about it being important, it is going to be the deciding

:25:07.:25:10.

factor. Of course it is usually important and working in the

:25:11.:25:13.

department for exiting the European Union you wouldn't examine to say

:25:14.:25:16.

anything else. But one of the reasons our department was set up is

:25:17.:25:20.

so we could focus on some of those challenges, coordinate with other

:25:21.:25:23.

departments but let those departments get on with doing their

:25:24.:25:26.

own jobs and that is equally important. We need to make progress

:25:27.:25:30.

on health, education, making our country competitive. On all of these

:25:31.:25:33.

issues we want to be able to get out there and set out a positive agenda.

:25:34.:25:38.

We will speak more during and after PMQs.

:25:39.:25:43.

Not long to go until Prime Minister's Questions,

:25:44.:25:44.

when you'll get to see two leaders who definitely aren't

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But can politicians from opposing parties ever strike up

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Over the summer you might have missed the comments

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:25:54.:25:56.

that she had no intention of being friends with any

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"I feel disgusted at the way they're running this country.

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Well, on this show, we like to try and bring people together,

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and what better way to show your friendship than by sharing a nice

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I feel quite out of sorts with no bongs! Is a disorientating you? Yes,

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I used to going around the Square mile and hearing Big Ben from all

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corners of Westminster. That has changed but everything written so

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PMQs. I think although Westminster has been abuzz with chat of a sleek

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immigration paper from the Home Office, I think on Jeremy Corbyn is

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more likely to other public sector pay cap. As we were discussing

:29:31.:29:34.

yesterday, one of the things that has been an abuzz since Westminster

:29:35.:29:37.

came back is speculation about whether or not the Treasury will

:29:38.:29:41.

finally released the purse strings a little bit and allow the lifting of

:29:42.:29:44.

the 1% pay cut for public sector workers. Labour's obviously made a

:29:45.:29:49.

lot of this issue, particularly over the question of nurses' pay.

:29:50.:29:54.

Yesterday Nicola Sturgeon announced plans to lift it in Scotland. And

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there have been hints from ministers but the guidance has to come from

:30:00.:30:04.

the Treasury first. There will be discussion, I presume, about who

:30:05.:30:07.

would get their pay cap lifted and whether it would be targeted. That's

:30:08.:30:11.

right, and this is not an issue that has suddenly bubbled up. There has

:30:12.:30:16.

been chat about this, crucially for the Tories, since the election. MPs

:30:17.:30:20.

know on the doorstep that was one of the things that have quite hard in

:30:21.:30:25.

various parts of the country, public sector workers, whether teachers,

:30:26.:30:28.

doctors, nurses or anyone else, felt aggrieved that for such a long time

:30:29.:30:31.

they hadn't seen what many of them would consider to be a decent pay

:30:32.:30:34.

rise. What about the state of the leaders themselves? That is an

:30:35.:30:38.

interesting question, because how things turn. This time last year

:30:39.:30:43.

Theresa May arrived for the first PMQs as the Queen in ascendance and

:30:44.:30:47.

it felt as if she couldn't put a foot wrong. I remember how she was

:30:48.:30:50.

cheered to the rafters by backbenchers at exactly this point

:30:51.:30:53.

last year. In reverse, Jeremy Corbyn had just... He was absolutely riding

:30:54.:31:01.

high on support from Labour members but at that stage, the PLP, as Owen

:31:02.:31:06.

will no doubt remember very clearly, was in a very, very different place.

:31:07.:31:10.

They were in the last couple of weeks of the leadership contest

:31:11.:31:12.

before the conclusion of that and, really, at that point, he was the

:31:13.:31:17.

one who was vulnerable. Theresa May but completely unstoppable. And now

:31:18.:31:22.

things seem to have changed. Theresa May now tells us she is not a

:31:23.:31:25.

quitter and wants to lead the party into the next election. I think that

:31:26.:31:29.

came as a surprise to many people, including those who will be on her

:31:30.:31:34.

backbenchers, at least some of them. Yesterday on this programme, the

:31:35.:31:37.

chairman of the 1922 committee reminded us that a PM's authority is

:31:38.:31:42.

always subject as a board of colleagues. And he also used the

:31:43.:31:46.

phrase very carefully "At the moment". So in terms of the

:31:47.:31:49.

temperature of support, shall we say, whether that was scalding hot,

:31:50.:31:53.

too hot to handle, I think it was rather tepid. Theresa May after the

:31:54.:31:58.

election went to the 1922, limiting of Tory backbenchers and told them

:31:59.:32:04.

very carefully, "I am here as you want me". Basically, I so that your

:32:05.:32:09.

pleasure. On a trip to Japan she told reporters of the rather

:32:10.:32:12.

different and said she would be there in the long term and was not a

:32:13.:32:15.

quitter. That it did Debbie irritates other MPs who felt that

:32:16.:32:18.

was not quite the deal she struggled them after the election and there

:32:19.:32:22.

aren't many people in the Tory party you speak to who actually really

:32:23.:32:26.

believe that. The backdrop of course everything is Brexit, it seems, so

:32:27.:32:31.

however much Theresa May would like to talk about a domestic agenda, it

:32:32.:32:34.

is going to shape everything, isn't it? It is, and not least because in

:32:35.:32:40.

terms of the act of business of government, the things that happen

:32:41.:32:45.

in the chamber, it is going to take up so much of the time. It is just

:32:46.:32:49.

going to dominate the programme and that does mean, therefore, that MPs,

:32:50.:32:53.

ministers, whether they like it or not, will be sucked into this but he

:32:54.:32:58.

must, and not least because the work is not just going across in the

:32:59.:33:03.

Brexit department it up leaving the EU doesn't just mean how do we

:33:04.:33:09.

extricate ourselves from that relationship, it means with these

:33:10.:33:12.

immigration proposals, every single department and government having to

:33:13.:33:17.

come up with basically a reworking of how it currently works because EU

:33:18.:33:21.

law has spread into every corner of our lives. Unlikely to be something

:33:22.:33:28.

greater PMQs by Jeremy Corbyn? I would be surprised if he does and I

:33:29.:33:34.

would be surprised if he raises the immigration paper because just as on

:33:35.:33:38.

the Tory benches, on the Labour benches there is a difference of

:33:39.:33:42.

opinion on this two subject so if he mentions Brexit, Theresa May has

:33:43.:33:47.

plenty of fodder to throw back at him with Labour's slightly unclear

:33:48.:33:51.

or ever-changing position. With that, let's go over to the House of

:33:52.:33:53.

Commons for Prime Minister's Questions.

:33:54.:33:59.

As we return from the summer recess, I'm shower thoughts of the House

:34:00.:34:09.

will be the Vic tempts of the Barcelona terror attack. Mr Speaker,

:34:10.:34:16.

awant to reassure the house the UK has ensured assistance in the form

:34:17.:34:20.

of military and humanitarian resources are in place including in

:34:21.:34:26.

the overseas territories who are preparing for Hurricane Irma. In

:34:27.:34:34.

addition to my duties in this house, I will have meets later today.

:34:35.:34:40.

Everyone agrees with my right honourable friend and the thoughts

:34:41.:34:43.

she shares with those in the terror attack

:34:44.:34:50.

Bears lone in a. As part of the process, it is imperative we

:34:51.:35:02.

transfer there are many serious concerns about the means not the

:35:03.:35:07.

ends of the EU withdrawal Bill. So, could my Right Honourable Friend

:35:08.:35:13.

assure me she will look in particular at those amendments that

:35:14.:35:17.

seek to change the EU withdrawal Bill so that it doesn't become an

:35:18.:35:23.

unprecedented and unnecessary Government power grab? I'm grateful

:35:24.:35:30.

to my Right Honourable Friend for raising this issue. I know, like me,

:35:31.:35:36.

she wants to see an orderly exit from the EU and will be supporting

:35:37.:35:40.

this bill which enables us not just to leave the EU but to do so in an

:35:41.:35:47.

orderly manner with a functioning statute book. We will require

:35:48.:35:51.

certain powers to make corrections to the statute book after the bill

:35:52.:35:56.

becomes law because negotiations are ongoing. We'll do if through

:35:57.:36:03.

secondary legislation. An approach that has been endorsed by the House

:36:04.:36:09.

of Lords constitution committee. I would like to reassure my Right

:36:10.:36:13.

Honourable Friend that as the bill goes through its scrutiny in this

:36:14.:36:17.

House and the debate continues, we will listen very carefully to that

:36:18.:36:23.

debate. I will be very happy to meet my right honourable friend to

:36:24.:36:25.

discuss this further. THE SPEAKER: Jeremy Corbyn Mr

:36:26.:36:30.

Speaker, I agree with the moment on what she just said about Barcelona.

:36:31.:36:34.

The attack was appalling. We should think of the victims but also thank

:36:35.:36:40.

the people of Barcelona for their wonderful community response to what

:36:41.:36:44.

was a threat to all of them. I hope the whole House will join me of

:36:45.:36:49.

thinking of the Vic tiffs of the terrible floods in Bangladesh,

:36:50.:36:54.

Nepal, searer a Lee Yoann, and in Texas and our thoughts with those

:36:55.:37:00.

facing Hurricane Irma in the United States. Every member of this house

:37:01.:37:06.

should be concerned inflation is once again running ahead of people's

:37:07.:37:11.

pay. This week, workers at McDonald's took strikes action for

:37:12.:37:17.

the first time. The boss of McDonald's is sported to have earned

:37:18.:37:25.

8. ?1.8 million does the Prime Minister back the McDonald's

:37:26.:37:30.

workers' case for an end to zero hours contracts and decent pay? The

:37:31.:37:36.

issue that has taken place in McDonald's is a matter for

:37:37.:37:39.

McDonald's to deal with. The questions... Let's focus. Let's

:37:40.:37:48.

focus on what the right honourable gentleman has raised which is, let's

:37:49.:37:54.

focus on what he's raised on zero hours contracts. The number of

:37:55.:37:57.

people on zero hours contracts is very small. There are people who

:37:58.:38:06.

genuinely say as a proportion of the workforce who say it is a benefit to

:38:07.:38:10.

them being on those contracts. For 13 years, the Labour Party was in

:38:11.:38:14.

Government and did nothing about zero hours contracts. It is this

:38:15.:38:22.

Conservative Government that has put the workers first and band exclusive

:38:23.:38:28.

zero hours contracts. Mr Speaker, my question was about McDonald's and

:38:29.:38:34.

the Chief Executive is paid 1,300 times as much as his staffment there

:38:35.:38:40.

are 800,000 people approximately in Britain on zero hours contracts.

:38:41.:38:44.

When she became leader, the Prime Minister pledged "I want to make

:38:45.:38:50.

shareholder votes on corporate pay not just advisory but binding" and

:38:51.:38:57.

she put it into her manifesto. That manifesto's been dumped or arc

:38:58.:39:04.

I'veed. Like so much else in her manifesto, where was the tough talk

:39:05.:39:07.

on corporate greed? Was it just for the election campaign? Or is it

:39:08.:39:13.

going to be... Or is it going to be put into law? Well, I suggest to the

:39:14.:39:26.

right honourable gentleman he looks at the action Conservative have

:39:27.:39:34.

taken on this Irish you. We recently published our proposals on corporate

:39:35.:39:38.

governance. It is Conservative who force companies to disclose board

:39:39.:39:45.

pay. That's been done not by a Labour Government but the

:39:46.:39:47.

Conservative Party who's been putting workers first. I note she

:39:48.:39:56.

uses the worse advisory. Page 18 of the dumped manifesto says... The

:39:57.:40:00.

next, says, Mr Speaker, the next to help

:40:01.:40:17.

people struggling, Mr Speaker, to help people struggling to make ends

:40:18.:40:22.

meet, many politicians have become convinced we need to cap energy

:40:23.:40:26.

prices. Even the Prime Minister was briefly converted to this policy.

:40:27.:40:31.

Last week, the profit margins of the big six energy companies hit their

:40:32.:40:36.

highest ever level. I wonder if I could prevail on the Prime Minister

:40:37.:40:40.

to stick to her own manifesto pledges on this matter as well?

:40:41.:40:46.

Well, first of all, on the question of what we were doing on corporate

:40:47.:40:52.

governance, I didn't use the word advisory. He needs to listen to my

:40:53.:40:57.

answer and not just read out the statement... He's raised an

:40:58.:41:05.

important issue. He's raised an important issue about energy prices.

:41:06.:41:10.

We are concerned about the way that particular market is operating. We

:41:11.:41:15.

expect the companies to treat customers fairly. That's why we've

:41:16.:41:18.

been looking at the action that can be taken. Why the Business Secretary

:41:19.:41:23.

has been doing that. He wrote to Ofgem in June asking them to advise

:41:24.:41:27.

on what action they could take to safeguard customers. We're

:41:28.:41:31.

particularly concerned about those who are the poorest customers who

:41:32.:41:35.

are kept on these tariffs that do not give them value for money. So, I

:41:36.:41:40.

agree, it's the Government that's doing something about it. Well, Mr

:41:41.:41:46.

Speaker, if only that were the case. Ofgem's plans only will benefit 2.6

:41:47.:41:51.

million customers. 17 million customers are short changed by the

:41:52.:41:56.

big six energy companies. She could and should take action on it. Mr

:41:57.:42:03.

Speaker, she's not the only one going back on her word...

:42:04.:42:17.

When the members opposite have #k5u78ed down a little, I'd like to

:42:18.:42:26.

say this, at last year's Sports Direct annual meeting, Mike Ashley

:42:27.:42:31.

personally pledged to ban the use of zero hours contracts in his company.

:42:32.:42:37.

A year on, they're still exploiting insecure hours workers with zero

:42:38.:42:40.

hours contracts. Will the Prime Minister join me in now demanding

:42:41.:42:46.

that Mr Ashley honour his words and ends zero hours contract in all of

:42:47.:42:54.

his companies? I've said it is this Government that's taken action in

:42:55.:42:57.

relation to zero hours contracts unlike the Labour Party. The right

:42:58.:43:01.

honourable gentleman talks about manifestos and people going back on

:43:02.:43:05.

their word. I might remind him in the Labour Party manifesto there was

:43:06.:43:11.

a commitment to support Trident, our independent nuclear deterrent.

:43:12.:43:16.

Shortly after the election, in private, he told people he didn't

:43:17.:43:24.

agree with that. For years, the right honourable gentleman sat on

:43:25.:43:28.

the Labour Party benches and didn't support Labour policy. Now he's

:43:29.:43:31.

Labour Leader and he still doesn't support Labour policy. Mr Speaker, I

:43:32.:43:40.

listened really carefully to what the Prime Minister said on this

:43:41.:43:44.

occasion. I'm struggling to see the connection between what she just

:43:45.:43:48.

said, Mike Ashley, Sports Direct and McDonald's! So, maybe she could now

:43:49.:43:55.

answer the question, will she condemn what Sports Direct and

:43:56.:43:59.

McDonald's are doing to their staff? It is quite straightforward. Yes or

:44:00.:44:04.

no? Mr Speaker, today, thousands of nursing and other health care staff

:44:05.:44:09.

are outside Parliament. They're demanding this Government scrap the

:44:10.:44:15.

1% pay cap. Poor pay means experienced staff are leaving and

:44:16.:44:18.

fewer people are training to become nurses. There's already a shortage

:44:19.:44:25.

of 40,000 nurses across the UK. Will the Prime Minister please see sense

:44:26.:44:29.

and end the public sector pay cap and ensure our NHS staff are

:44:30.:44:31.

properly paid. We absolutely value the work of all

:44:32.:44:42.

those working in the public sector, nurses, teachers and others who are

:44:43.:44:46.

doing a good job for us day in, day out in what are often difficult and

:44:47.:44:50.

harrowing circumstances. It might be helpful if I remind the House on

:44:51.:44:56.

where we are on the issue of pay review bodies in public sector pay.

:44:57.:45:00.

There are two reports still to be published and for the Government to

:45:01.:45:04.

respond to for police and prison officers. Later, as always happens

:45:05.:45:09.

every year, later in the autumn we'll publish the frame work for

:45:10.:45:14.

2018/19 and continue to balance the need to protect jobs, public sector

:45:15.:45:19.

workers and the need to ensure we're also protecting and being fair to

:45:20.:45:23.

those who are paying for it, including public sector workers. I

:45:24.:45:27.

say to the right honourable gentleman, what we have seen, what

:45:28.:45:32.

he does in this House and outside this House is consistently stand up

:45:33.:45:36.

and ask for more money to be spent on this that and the other. He can

:45:37.:45:39.

do that in opposition. He asks consistently for more money

:45:40.:45:52.

to be spent jockey can do that in opposition because he knows he

:45:53.:45:57.

doesn't have to pay for it. The problem with Labour is that they do

:45:58.:46:02.

it in government as well and when... As a result of the decisions the

:46:03.:46:06.

Labour Party took in government... As a result of decisions the Labour

:46:07.:46:12.

Party took in government, we now have to pay more on debt interest

:46:13.:46:18.

ban on NHS paid. That's the result of Labour. The Prime Minister had no

:46:19.:46:27.

problems finding ?1 billion to please the DUP, no problems

:46:28.:46:35.

whatsoever. And NHS staff are 14% worse off than they were seven years

:46:36.:46:40.

ago. Is she really happy that NHS staff use food banks? Warm words

:46:41.:46:47.

don't pay food bills. Pay rises will help to do that. She must end the

:46:48.:46:53.

public sector pay cap. The reality for working people is lower wages

:46:54.:46:57.

and less job security, within work poverty now at record levels. So

:46:58.:47:02.

will the Prime Minister clarifies and she evaded during the election

:47:03.:47:10.

campaign? For those struggling to get by, whether employed,

:47:11.:47:13.

self-employed, permanent or temporary, can the Prime Minister

:47:14.:47:16.

categorically state today they will not see rises in the basic rate of

:47:17.:47:20.

income tax, national insurance contributions or VAT? I can tell the

:47:21.:47:27.

right honourable gentleman the help we have been giving to those who are

:47:28.:47:32.

just about managing. We've taken 4 million B but out of paying income

:47:33.:47:38.

tax altogether. We've given a tax cut to over 30 million people. We

:47:39.:47:42.

see record numbers of people in employment in this country. We're

:47:43.:47:46.

given the lowest earners the highest pay rise for 20 years by introducing

:47:47.:47:52.

the national living wage. But you only get that with a strong economy.

:47:53.:47:59.

We believe in sound money, he believes in higher debts. We believe

:48:00.:48:02.

in making our economy strong so we can invest in our public services.

:48:03.:48:09.

Labour's approaches reckless, ours is balanced. Our approach delivers a

:48:10.:48:13.

strong economy, more money for public services, more jobs for

:48:14.:48:16.

people and families, but you only get a strong economy and a better

:48:17.:48:24.

future with the Conservatives. Thank you, Mr Speaker. As the Prime

:48:25.:48:28.

Minister said, this Government has an outstanding record of job

:48:29.:48:32.

creation with 3 million more people in work than seven years ago. It is

:48:33.:48:37.

perfectly true that wage rises have not been as high as we would have

:48:38.:48:41.

hoped but I'm proud that we gave that big boost to people at the low

:48:42.:48:45.

end with a rise in the national living wage. What the right

:48:46.:48:49.

honourable gentleman opposite does not understand, you can only have

:48:50.:48:57.

sustainable rises in pay with increases in productivity. My

:48:58.:49:00.

question to the Prime Minister is, will she instruct all of her

:49:01.:49:03.

ministers to bring forward proposals for productivity rises in time for

:49:04.:49:07.

the Chancellor to announce them at the budget? I thank my right Rory

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Bourke friend and he has absolutely put his finger on its. Productivity

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is absolutely crucial for the strength of our economy going

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forward and improving that productivity. That is why we have

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introduced our modern industrial strategy, which will boost

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productivity and is also why we are introducing really good quality tech

:49:32.:49:34.

Loughgall -- technical education in this country for the first time, to

:49:35.:49:38.

ensure that young people have the skills they need to take the higher

:49:39.:49:41.

paid jobs that will be created as a result of our industrial strategy.

:49:42.:49:49.

Does the Prime Minister agree with me that immigration is essential to

:49:50.:49:53.

the strength of the UK economy, as well as enhancing our diversity and

:49:54.:50:00.

cultural fabric? As I have said on many occasions before, overall

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immigration has been good for the UK. But what people want to see is

:50:05.:50:08.

control of that immigration. That is what people wanted to see as a

:50:09.:50:13.

result of coming out of the European Union. We're already able to

:50:14.:50:16.

exercise controls in relation to those who come to this country from

:50:17.:50:21.

outside the countries within the European Union and we continue to

:50:22.:50:24.

believe as a Government that it is important to have net migration and

:50:25.:50:28.

sustainable levels, which we believe to be in the tens of thousands,

:50:29.:50:32.

because of the impact particularly on people on the lower end of the

:50:33.:50:35.

income scale in depressing their wages. Mr Speaker, last October the

:50:36.:50:43.

Prime Minister was forced into a humiliating U-turn on prose Poles --

:50:44.:50:48.

proposals to force companies to disclose any foreign workers

:50:49.:50:53.

employed. During the summer, 100 EU nationals resident in the UK

:50:54.:50:57.

received to deportation notices in error, causing alarm to them and

:50:58.:51:01.

many others. We need to cherish those who are here and not chase

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them away. The Prime Minister must stop dancing to the tune of her

:51:08.:51:13.

right-wing backbenchers and apologise for the disgraceful

:51:14.:51:17.

treatment her Government has shown migrants in the UK. In the first

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instance, will she pledged that international students will no

:51:23.:51:25.

longer be included in the net migration figures? Can I just say to

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the honourable gentleman back in relation to the error that was made

:51:32.:51:34.

by the Home Office, every single one of those individuals was telephoned

:51:35.:51:39.

with an apology. It shouldn't have happened in the first place but the

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Government did telephone with an apology. Let me just say this to the

:51:44.:51:47.

honourable gentleman. As I explain to my first answer to him, there is

:51:48.:51:51.

a reason for wanting to ensure we can control migration. It is because

:51:52.:51:57.

of the impact that that migration can have on people, on access to

:51:58.:52:03.

services, on access to infrastructure but crucially, it

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often hits those at the lower end of the income scale hardest and I

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suggest that the honourable gentleman thinks about that impact,

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rather than just standing up here and saying what he has done. Is

:52:16.:52:19.

important we bring in controls, we want to want to continue to welcome

:52:20.:52:23.

the brightest and the best here to the UK, and we continue to do so. I

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know that my right honourable friend will be as alarmed and angered as

:52:32.:52:35.

many at the decision of the Northern Ireland judicial authority to open

:52:36.:52:41.

the so-called legacy cases involving past and present members of the

:52:42.:52:46.

Armed Forces. These cases have been meticulously investigated and

:52:47.:52:50.

represent just 10% of deaths in the troubles. A line really does need to

:52:51.:52:55.

be drawn here. Does my right honourable friend agree that it is

:52:56.:52:59.

wrong to single out any group for this kind of investigation, and that

:53:00.:53:02.

the hundreds of thousands of people who served in Northern Ireland

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should feel appreciated for the difficult job they did, not being

:53:08.:53:10.

hounded into old age by investigations of this kind? Can I

:53:11.:53:16.

first of all say to my right honourable friend that we are

:53:17.:53:18.

unstinting in our admiration for the role that our Armed Forces played in

:53:19.:53:22.

ensuring Northern Ireland's future would only ever be decided by

:53:23.:53:27.

democracy and consent, and the overwhelming majority serve with

:53:28.:53:30.

great distinction and we owe them a great debt of gratitude. But as part

:53:31.:53:35.

of our work to implement the Stormont House agreement, we will

:53:36.:53:40.

ensure that new supporters will be under obligations to be fair,

:53:41.:53:43.

balanced and proportionate, which will make sure our veterans are not

:53:44.:53:46.

unfairly treated or disproportionately investigated and

:53:47.:53:52.

indeed reflect the fact that 90% of deaths in the troubles were caused

:53:53.:53:55.

by terrorist and not the Armed Forces. But as he will appreciate,

:53:56.:54:03.

the investigations by PSNI are, of course, a matter for them, as they

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are independent of government. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Prime Minister

:54:10.:54:12.

will be aware of the death of my constituent Kim Briggs, who was

:54:13.:54:17.

knocked over last year by a cyclist on an illegal fixed wheel bike with

:54:18.:54:25.

no front brake. Does the Prime Minister agree with me that the law

:54:26.:54:29.

on dangerous driving should be extended to include offences by

:54:30.:54:36.

cyclists, and does she also agree with me that the 1861 offence of

:54:37.:54:42.

wanton and furious driving, which the prosecution had to rely upon in

:54:43.:54:47.

this case, is hopelessly outdated and wholly inadequate? Can I first

:54:48.:54:57.

of all extend our sympathies to the family and friends of the honourable

:54:58.:55:02.

lady's constituent who died in this tragic circumstances, and she has

:55:03.:55:06.

raised an important issue. I think we should welcome the fact that they

:55:07.:55:12.

were able to find legislation under which to make a prosecution but the

:55:13.:55:17.

point is a general one about ensuring our legislation gives up to

:55:18.:55:21.

date with events that take place ensure this is something the

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Secretary of State for transport will look at. Living near a natural

:55:24.:55:28.

green space is good for your physical and mental health but those

:55:29.:55:34.

in the most deprived areas of the country are the least likely to do

:55:35.:55:39.

so. My right honourable friend is committed to reducing inequality and

:55:40.:55:43.

improving mental health. Can I ask her to read the new report published

:55:44.:55:47.

by the Conservative environment network, masterminded by my

:55:48.:55:52.

honourable friend, the Member for Taunton Deane, and ask to take on

:55:53.:55:56.

board its recommendation to consider the environment across government

:55:57.:56:01.

policy? The whole question of mental health is one that I know she has

:56:02.:56:04.

campaigned on and has a particular interest in and it is interesting

:56:05.:56:08.

that she has raised, and I welcome the fact she has raised this issue

:56:09.:56:12.

of the health benefits of green space, which is becoming ever more

:56:13.:56:16.

recognised and certainly, I know this is something that the

:56:17.:56:21.

Conservatives network highlights in its report it up Defra will be

:56:22.:56:25.

producing a 25 year environment plan. It will look at the evidence

:56:26.:56:28.

in that report and it will focus on what can be done to ensure that the

:56:29.:56:34.

benefits provided by access to green space are available to all segments

:56:35.:56:42.

of society. Thank you, Mr Speaker. This summer, a third of all parents

:56:43.:56:47.

across the country went without a meal to ensure that they can feed

:56:48.:56:52.

their children during the school holidays. In Stoke-on-Trent, amazing

:56:53.:56:55.

volunteers came together to provide over 10,000 meals for local kids.

:56:56.:57:00.

I'm very proud of my constituents but I'm disgusted that this

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Government, who have done nothing and turned a blind eye. How many

:57:04.:57:08.

kids have to go hungry, how many parents have to go without food,

:57:09.:57:12.

before this Prime Minister will do her job and act? Well, I have to say

:57:13.:57:19.

to the honourable lady, I recognise an issue that she has raised about

:57:20.:57:23.

children, particularly those who are normally able to access free school

:57:24.:57:26.

meals during term time and the impact this has during the holidays,

:57:27.:57:30.

is a matter that her writer Robert friend the Member for Birkenhead has

:57:31.:57:35.

been taking up, together with colleagues in the APPG for hunger.

:57:36.:57:40.

From the Government's point of view our focus remains on tackling the

:57:41.:57:45.

root causes of poverty. This is what is important, not just the symptoms.

:57:46.:57:53.

Nearly three quarters of children from workless families moved out of

:57:54.:57:56.

poverty when their parents entered into full-time work and we see

:57:57.:58:00.

record levels of employment under this government. That's why this is

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so important. Ensuring that we get a strong economy and those jobs. But

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I'm sure that ministers at the Department for Work and Pensions on

:58:11.:58:12.

the Department for Education will be looking at the proposals the right

:58:13.:58:14.

honourable member for Birkenhead has brought forward. The reductions in

:58:15.:58:21.

unemployment, poverty and income inequality are some of our proudest

:58:22.:58:27.

achievements in recent years. What more is the Government planning to

:58:28.:58:32.

do to further the one nation principal and ensure a fairer

:58:33.:58:41.

society still? Under this Government, we have seen income

:58:42.:58:46.

inequality fall to its lowest level since 1986. The number of people in

:58:47.:58:51.

absolute poverty is at a record low and we've got the lowest

:58:52.:58:55.

unemployment rate since 1975. But he's right, there is more to do, and

:58:56.:59:01.

that's why yesterday we announced a ?40 million for youth organisations

:59:02.:59:06.

to boost the skills and life chances for young people who are living in

:59:07.:59:10.

disadvantaged areas. I think that will have a transformational effect

:59:11.:59:14.

on the lives of some of our most disadvantaged young people and will

:59:15.:59:17.

help to achieve the fairer society that my honourable friend has

:59:18.:59:24.

rightly referred to. Thank you, Mr Speaker. A few weeks ago, the

:59:25.:59:27.

utterly shaming lack of mental health provision in this country was

:59:28.:59:32.

condemned by our most senior family court judge, as he sought a bed for

:59:33.:59:38.

a desperately ill teenage girl. The 17-year-old had been restrained no

:59:39.:59:42.

fewer than 117 times in a place not fit to care for her. Does the Prime

:59:43.:59:47.

Minister agree with me, in echoing the words of Sir James Mumby, that

:59:48.:59:53.

the continued failure to tackle our nation's mental health crisis means

:59:54.:59:56.

the state will have blood on its hands? I'm sure everybody across

:59:57.:00:02.

this House was concerned to read of the circumstances of the individual

:00:03.:00:05.

that she has referred to and the treatment that she had received. I

:00:06.:00:10.

accept that we need to do more in relation to our mental health

:00:11.:00:14.

services. That's precisely why the Government is putting more money

:00:15.:00:17.

into mental health, it is why we have introduced a number of

:00:18.:00:20.

programmes, particularly focusing on the mental health of young people,

:00:21.:00:25.

it is why we have reduced by 80% the numbers of people being detained in

:00:26.:00:30.

police cells because of their mental ill-health and, as I say, we've

:00:31.:00:33.

increased the funding. But of course we need to do more. That's why we

:00:34.:00:37.

are pushing forward on further change. We are pledged to reforming

:00:38.:00:41.

outdated mental health laws and we've created targets to improve

:00:42.:00:45.

standards of care. I agree mental-health is important. This

:00:46.:00:48.

Government is focusing on it and putting more resources into it.

:00:49.:00:56.

Thank you, Mr Speaker. Given the importance of the fishing industry

:00:57.:01:01.

around the whole of the UK and in particular in Banff and Buchan, can

:01:02.:01:05.

I ask what discussions the government has had with

:01:06.:01:07.

representatives of fishing in the north-east of Scotland as heart of

:01:08.:01:13.

the ongoing EU negotiations? I recognise the importance of the

:01:14.:01:17.

fishing industry to a number of parts of the UK, including my

:01:18.:01:19.

honourable friend's constituency, and he is right to raise this point.

:01:20.:01:24.

The Government is engaging with a range of fishing stakeholders,

:01:25.:01:28.

including a meeting with the Scottish Fishermen's Federation,

:01:29.:01:32.

which took place in July. We do value our fishing communities and

:01:33.:01:36.

supporting them will be an important part of the action we will take as

:01:37.:01:40.

part of the EU. We are working closely with the fishing industry. I

:01:41.:01:44.

have met some fishermen and spoken to them over the summer about the

:01:45.:01:48.

industry and we are working with fishermen and others who have a

:01:49.:01:51.

stake in the industry to make sure we get this right when we leave the

:01:52.:01:53.

EU. The Prime Minister will be aware of

:01:54.:02:01.

our initiative last week to have devolution running immediately in

:02:02.:02:09.

parallel with the talks process, an initiative welcomed by the opinion

:02:10.:02:13.

in Northern Ireland. If, however, despite our best efforts and

:02:14.:02:16.

agreement with all the other parties, Sinn Fein continues to

:02:17.:02:20.

block the restoration of Government in Northern Ireland, will she

:02:21.:02:24.

confirm to the House what her Government spokesperson said

:02:25.:02:28.

yesterday evening about the future governance arrangements for Northern

:02:29.:02:30.

Ireland, in particular, a welcome statement there will be no question

:02:31.:02:33.

of joint authority or a role for Dublin? The right honourable

:02:34.:02:38.

gentleman is right about the importance of the talks we have to

:02:39.:02:42.

restore devolved administration in Northern Ireland. I'm happy to

:02:43.:02:47.

confirm we'd not be looking at a joint authority. He will be aware...

:02:48.:02:56.

In relation to the Government of the Republic of Ireland in north/south

:02:57.:03:03.

co-ordination. The focus should be in trying to ensure we resolve the

:03:04.:03:08.

current differences and see that devolved administration reasserted

:03:09.:03:10.

in Northern Ireland. That is what would be best for the people of

:03:11.:03:15.

Northern Ireland. Thank you Mr Speaker, by refusing to discuss free

:03:16.:03:20.

trade, does the Prime Minister agree that the European Commission is

:03:21.:03:25.

damaging the employment and economic interests of their own member

:03:26.:03:35.

states? For ex-ample endangerings jobs in the German car industry?

:03:36.:03:39.

Will the Prime Minister call on other heads of European Government

:03:40.:03:43.

to prevail on the European Commission to end this act of wanton

:03:44.:03:50.

economic self-harm and start free trade talks which are so clearly in

:03:51.:04:00.

the interests of everybody? My Right Honourable Friend, the Secretary of

:04:01.:04:05.

State for exiting the EU was back in Brussels for the further rounds of

:04:06.:04:07.

negotiations. Those have been productive. We do want to see the

:04:08.:04:12.

discussions moving on to the future relationship. What this Government

:04:13.:04:16.

has done and will continue to do is publish a set of position papers

:04:17.:04:20.

setting out options and ideas for how that deep and special parter

:04:21.:04:24.

inship can be taken forward in the future. This isn't just a question

:04:25.:04:29.

of what suits the UK. It is in the interests of the European Union to

:04:30.:04:33.

have that good, deep and special partnership. What action is the

:04:34.:04:39.

Prime Minister taking to ensure that my constituents, many of whom are

:04:40.:04:45.

paying in excess of ?5,000 to travel to London every year, get better

:04:46.:04:52.

service, not the service the new plans under our Government

:04:53.:04:56.

introduced. And under these plans, the people of Bedford will lose the

:04:57.:05:06.

Intercity rail service?s Can I say to the honourable gentleman, if you

:05:07.:05:09.

look at the record of this Government, we recognise the

:05:10.:05:13.

importance of rail services. Oh, he says, no we don't. I suggest he

:05:14.:05:18.

looks at the funding we are putting in to improving rail services across

:05:19.:05:21.

this country. That is a sign of recognition we have of the

:05:22.:05:28.

importance of those services. One person sleeping rough is one too

:05:29.:05:32.

many. Our party's manifesto set out to end rough sleeping by the end of

:05:33.:05:38.

this Parliament. Given the important role that charities play in this

:05:39.:05:41.

task, will the Prime Minister join me in paying tribute to the

:05:42.:05:47.

excellent charity Crisis, which is marking its 5th anniversary? Can I

:05:48.:05:52.

first of all pay tribute to my honourable friend. This had is an

:05:53.:05:58.

issue he cares about deeply and he co-chairs the APPG on ending

:05:59.:06:06.

homelessness. He's right, we had a commitment to reduce rough leaping,

:06:07.:06:13.

eliminating by 2027. ?50 million has been allocated to 2020 to tackle

:06:14.:06:17.

homelessness and rough sleeping. I'm also happy to join with him in

:06:18.:06:21.

paying tribute to Crisis as they mark their 5th anniversary. They've

:06:22.:06:25.

been doing, over those 50 years, a very important job. I will be

:06:26.:06:29.

hosting a reception for them to mark their 5th anniversary in Downing

:06:30.:06:37.

Street later today. The University of Bradford makes a compelling case

:06:38.:06:41.

for a medical school teaching all types of health professionals. Can

:06:42.:06:45.

the Prime Minister confirm those universities where the need is the

:06:46.:06:48.

most will be given the opportunity to set up medical schools? We are

:06:49.:06:55.

pleased we'll be increasing the number of training places. That does

:06:56.:06:59.

mean the Department of Health is looking at the whole question of

:07:00.:07:02.

what places are available where and what new medical schools should be

:07:03.:07:07.

set up. I'm sure the Secretary of State for Health will be interested

:07:08.:07:11.

in hearing her pitch for Bradford to have a medical school. In the 1960

:07:12.:07:22.

and 70s thousands of women were described a pregnancy test which

:07:23.:07:27.

resulted in profound effects for the babies that followed, including my

:07:28.:07:32.

constituent Charlotte Fensom who cares as a sister alongside elderly

:07:33.:07:38.

parents of her brother Steve enwho was pro frownedly affected. Those

:07:39.:07:42.

families now deserve justice and there should be a chance to launch a

:07:43.:07:46.

public inquiry into this terrible scandal? My honourable friend has

:07:47.:07:52.

raised an important issue. She's right to do so. We should recognise

:07:53.:07:58.

the impact this had on those women who took this hormone pregnancy test

:07:59.:08:05.

from the late 1950s into 1978. There is an expert working group set up

:08:06.:08:08.

which is looking into this issue which is due to publish its findings

:08:09.:08:13.

in the autumn. I would be happy to meet my honourable friend to discuss

:08:14.:08:20.

this issue with her. Parents in my constituency are disappointed. Over

:08:21.:08:26.

the summer, they sought to take advantage

:08:27.:08:29.

THE SPEAKER: Order! An unseemly response. The honourable lady ask a

:08:30.:08:34.

new member. She's highly articulate and she will be heard! The

:08:35.:08:41.

honourable lady will be heard! Parents any my constituency are

:08:42.:08:45.

disappointed. They sought to take advantage of the 30 hours childcare

:08:46.:08:50.

but due to underfunding found it was not available and not free. Will the

:08:51.:08:55.

Prime Minister apologise to parents across the country for false

:08:56.:08:59.

advertising on what over wise would have been a welcome policy? What I

:09:00.:09:05.

can tell the honourable lady is we are investing ?1 billion of extra

:09:06.:09:11.

funding every year in early years entitlement. That includes 3 million

:09:12.:09:18.

a year. This investment is based on work that was done, a plan by the

:09:19.:09:22.

Department for Education which was described by the National Audit

:09:23.:09:25.

Office as thorough and wide-ranging. There are important ways that

:09:26.:09:30.

childcare providers can get more from their funding. The DFE is

:09:31.:09:36.

offering to support them to do that. Our hourly funding rate is

:09:37.:09:40.

significantly higher than the average cost of providing a place to

:09:41.:09:47.

a three or four-year-old. I hope the honourable lady thinks this is

:09:48.:09:50.

something this Government is delivering on. For the second year

:09:51.:09:57.

running, planning the festival of engineering, this time with the

:09:58.:09:59.

honourable member for South West Wiltshire. We hope to inspire 3,000

:10:00.:10:05.

children to help challenge stereotypes of engineering careers

:10:06.:10:10.

to help combat the local skills gap and in addition, to highlight

:10:11.:10:14.

Wiltshire is a hub of engineerings design and technology. Would the

:10:15.:10:18.

Prime Minister consider attending this wonderful event? Can I

:10:19.:10:26.

congratulate my honourable friend for her initiative. She does raise

:10:27.:10:29.

an important point. It is important we see more young people moving into

:10:30.:10:34.

engineering. Pursuing careers in engineering and describes more

:10:35.:10:40.

generally. The steps she's taking with our honourable friend is an

:10:41.:10:45.

important part of this. We need to address those stereotypes. I'm

:10:46.:10:49.

particularly keen to address women in engineering. We should see more

:10:50.:10:55.

women. If my diary allows, I will be very happy to attend. Clinicians

:10:56.:11:02.

don't believe it will be safe, commissioners and providers don't

:11:03.:11:04.

believe it would be feasible. Isn't it now the time for ministers to

:11:05.:11:10.

reverse the decision they took in 2011 to close the A department at

:11:11.:11:18.

King George hospital? Can I say, we have been very clear that where

:11:19.:11:21.

decisions are taken, we want those decisions to be taken at a local

:11:22.:11:26.

level with clinical advice. That is what the Department of Health is

:11:27.:11:31.

doing. As home sectsry, the Prime Minister was one of the first to

:11:32.:11:37.

appreciate the alarming extent of child sexual exploitation and

:11:38.:11:41.

respond to calls to set up the historic abuse inquiry. Does she

:11:42.:11:47.

agree those who expose to root out the criminal perpetrators for the

:11:48.:11:50.

horrific crimes they commit especially in the face of cultural

:11:51.:11:58.

sensitivities should be encouraged and promoted not gagged? My

:11:59.:12:05.

honourable friend has raised a very sensitive and important issue. As he

:12:06.:12:11.

says, was an issue I took a particular interest in when I was

:12:12.:12:16.

Home Secretary. Anyone who abuses a child must be stopped regardless of

:12:17.:12:21.

race, age or gender. Child exploiltation happens in all areas

:12:22.:12:25.

of the country. It can take many different forms. I'm clear and the

:12:26.:12:30.

Government is clear political or cultural sensitivities must not get

:12:31.:12:35.

in the way of pro venting and uncovering child abuse. The freedom

:12:36.:12:40.

to speak out must apply to those in positions of responsibility,

:12:41.:12:43.

including ministers and shadow ministers on both sides of this

:12:44.:12:49.

House. If we turn a blind eye to this abuse, as has happened too much

:12:50.:12:54.

in the past, then more crimes will be committed and more children will

:12:55.:13:05.

be suffering in silence. Thank you. Glenfield's children's heart surgery

:13:06.:13:09.

unit has some of the best outcomes in the country, including mortality

:13:10.:13:12.

rates lower than the national average. One of the Professor'S says

:13:13.:13:20.

proposals to Church of England children's heart surgery are

:13:21.:13:22.

embarrassing and plucked out of thin air. Can I ask the Prime Minister to

:13:23.:13:26.

ensure the final decision is made on the basis of sound clinical evidence

:13:27.:13:31.

and when this House is sitting so MPs can question ministers about NHS

:13:32.:13:38.

England's plans? The honourable lady is aware there are many ways MPs can

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question ministers about plans. As I said in answer to one of her

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honourable friends earlier. The decisions about the future structure

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of the NHS, Sir veries and provision are being taken on the basis of

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clinical needs and clinical evidence. Britain is among the

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world's leading digital economies. As we leave the EU, technology will

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be crucial to a successful Brexit from the Northern Irish border to

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customs controls. Does the Prime Minister agree that Brexit can

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kick-start a further wave of ding stall investment and working with

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the industry, a Brexit technology task force could help her do that?

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My honourable friend is right about the position the UK holds in

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relation to science and innovation. We're already a leading destination.

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We've some of the world's top universities, three of which are in

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the world's top ten. We've more Nobel Prize winners than any country

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outside of the United States. We've proud history of cutting edge rest

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search, science and took nothingy. Brexit gives us an opportunity to

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give a further kick-start to our position in relation to the digital

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economy. We'll want to attract investment from all over the world

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in relation to this and work with industry to ensure that can be done.

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In her conference speech last year, the Prime Minister said existing

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workers legal right will continue to be guaranteed in law as long Asim

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aPrime Minister. Can the Prime Minister tell the House how long

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that will be? Can I say to the honourable gentleman, that is a

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commitment that I'm happy to stand by in relation to improving workers'

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rights. That's something we've den doing as a Conservative Party and

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something I'll continue to do as Prime Minister. Mr Speaker, tomorrow

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is world awareness day which highlights this devastating muscle

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wasting condition which affects young men. If as anticipated the

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current development of a more reliable newborn screening test goes

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ahead, psychological support must be readily available to any affected

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families. Will the Prime Minister provide assurance to families that

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NHS England will develop such a vital psychological support? This is

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an important aspect of this terrible condition. I recognise the

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importance of ensuring people can access appropriate psychological

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support when they have a young family member diagnosed with this

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serious health problem. In relation to the new screening test, I

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understand muscular Diss fie UK is working with NHS England's advisory

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groups to understand how best to meet the needs of parents and

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careers following the diagnosis of this. I'm grateful to my Right

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Honourable Friend for raising Well, it started late and it

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finished late, although probably in line with previous PMQs. As

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predicted by everybody here, or certainly Laura and myself, Jeremy

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Corbyn didn't go on but sit or the leaked immigration paper. You

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focused instead on workers' rights and conditions including pay. You

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referenced the McDonald's strike and John McDonnell the Shadow Chancellor

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joined the strikers and Jeremy Corbyn called on Theresa May to take

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action on things like C Rowe hours contracts and cited the actions of

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Sports Direct and asked the Prime Minister condemned the chief

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executive. He moved onto corporate governance and accused the Prime

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Minister of watering down manifesto commitments to legislate for new

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rules to give workers more say. And finally he talked about the nurses'

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protest outside the Houses of Parliament and called on the

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Government to lift the 1% pay cap on public sector workers. At the very

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end there was a question about the Prime Minister's leadership, to

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which Theresa May said that the Government is doing a lot of work on

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workers' rights. Make of that what you will. As we expected, Jeremy

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Corbyn stayed away from the two big issues of the day but in terms of

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those issues, McDonald's on the public sector pay cap, he wasn't

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just raising them one after the other. What was significant was, he

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was raising those issues where many people perceive Theresa May made

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promises and has had to go back on them, so on the energy pay cap all

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on cracking down on big bosses' pay and if that gives a signal but that

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is the kind of area that Jeremy Corbyn wants to explore this autumn,

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the issues around people who are having a hard time making ends meet

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and how Theresa May promised on the steps of Downing Street to look

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after people who are finding it hard to get on, but some of the things

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according to Labour that she suggested just have come to naught.

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So I think that tells us something about where he believes the

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Government is vulnerable but I think as ever, when we've seen these two

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clash at the dispatch box, there is always a sense that they are sort of

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talking at cross purposes, sort of holding back from really locking

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more than getting into the issues. I also think it was telling not just

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because of that cheeky question at the end from the Labour MP Phil

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Wilson from Sedgefield about how long Theresa May would-be Prime

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Minister... Throughout that session, she was surrounded by Damian Green,

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her de facto deputy, on one side and Philip Hammond on the other, who

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couldn't help but stifle a very big yawn. It looked to me like she has

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these posh bouncers in grey suits flanking her, which is a bit of a

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visual metaphor for how ministers and with her souped up Number Ten

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operation, they are trying to hold things together at a time they know

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is going to be very, very difficult indeed. Did she appear nervous to

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you? Adamant she appeared nervous. She's spent years of the dispatch

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box and didn't appear to be particularly rattled by any of it.

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-- I don't think she appeared nervous. Were either of them trading

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zingers and on top on? No, they weren't but I think that every of

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attack from Jeremy Corbyn could be quite fruitful. There was something

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of a news story sneaked in, that Theresa May confirmed the Transport

:20:16.:20:20.

Secretary will look at extending the law on dangerous driving to cover

:20:21.:20:22.

cyclists in response to a question by Heidi Alexander after a terrible

:20:23.:20:28.

court case over a constituent who was killed. Robin Walker, when it

:20:29.:20:32.

comes to public sector pay, do workers deserve a pay rise? As the

:20:33.:20:37.

Prime Minister said, we value enormously the contribution of

:20:38.:20:39.

public sector workers and we want to make sure we get the proper advice

:20:40.:20:44.

on this so we can move forward and take the right action. You are the

:20:45.:20:47.

ones that give the advice. The Treasury sets the reader to terms of

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what pay bodies actually do. We want the public sector pay bodies to look

:20:52.:20:56.

at this. Are you getting advice? We want to have better retention of

:20:57.:21:01.

full-time staff and not too many agency workers. It is very important

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we take... But it is also important that we set out the context for

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this, which is that with public spending facing constrained, because

:21:09.:21:12.

we inherited a very large deficit, we have to make sure we can also

:21:13.:21:15.

maintain the investment in public sector staff, the numbers of staff,

:21:16.:21:19.

and we're seeing a huge recruitment campaign for the NHS to address some

:21:20.:21:22.

of the issues raised in that session, like mental health, so we

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need to strike a careful balance to this right it Should nurses get a

:21:30.:21:31.

pay rise? Nurses will get a pay rise. Beyond 1%? We have to take

:21:32.:21:35.

into account all the evidence and take the right decision for the

:21:36.:21:38.

long-term interests of our public services. Jeremy Corbyn says, quite

:21:39.:21:44.

rightly, that wages are falling behind prices because of rising

:21:45.:21:48.

inflation. How much beyond 1% would you give to public sector workers?

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They should be getting at least inflation. 2.6%, around that? Making

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up for the fact that they had depressed wages for a long time, it

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should be more than that in the first instance. We were clear at the

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election that we would be finding an extra ?4 billion to scrap the 1% cap

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and what I think we saw from the Prime Minister today and from Robin,

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they failed to learn the lessons they ought to have learned of the

:22:18.:22:20.

election. The country was very clear, I think, that they do believe

:22:21.:22:23.

that the Tories have made a mess of our economy, that we've seen rising

:22:24.:22:29.

GDP, 12% increase since they came in, but wages have only gone up by

:22:30.:22:35.

6% and that means in real terms, for most people, ordinary workers, they

:22:36.:22:41.

are worse off now than they were in 2010. Jeremy has been absolutely

:22:42.:22:44.

clear that we can do something about that and unless the Tories catch on

:22:45.:22:48.

with that, all the relaunch as she wants to have she can have, it will

:22:49.:22:52.

make no difference. They refused to say today that they would increase

:22:53.:22:55.

public sector pay, she refused to acknowledge we've seen cuts in

:22:56.:22:59.

education spending, she is backtracking on her election

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promises and the public will see it. Isn't that what happened in the

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election result? Wasn't that the message that came out loud and

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clear, that since 2010 this idea that we are all in it together has

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actually meant that the burden of wages falling behind prices has

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fallen on the lowest paid? What we've seen is rising wages, the

:23:19.:23:25.

movement for a national living wage, and that means the lowest paid

:23:26.:23:28.

getting paid substantially more. What we also need to see is reforms

:23:29.:23:33.

to tax to take more people out of income tax. That is something that

:23:34.:23:37.

Labour never supported or put in their manifesto. We need to ensure

:23:38.:23:40.

people keep more of the money that they earn but of course we need to

:23:41.:23:43.

look across our public services at how we invest in and retain staff

:23:44.:23:46.

and that process that the Government is doing. Working people are worse

:23:47.:23:50.

off in this country today than they were when you came to power in 2010.

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I disagree. You cannot disagree with the plain facts. All of the

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increases, the personal allowance you talked about, do not offset the

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fact that because of things like increasing VAT, which Theresa May

:24:08.:24:12.

again today failed to rule out doing in the next Parliament, in this

:24:13.:24:15.

current Parliament, all of those changes are not offset... There are

:24:16.:24:22.

other changes. There are other changes we have made, such as the

:24:23.:24:26.

introduction of a national living wage, substantial increases for the

:24:27.:24:33.

people who are lowest paid, such as looking at zero hours contracts.

:24:34.:24:37.

We've got hundreds of thousands more people in work. There are more than

:24:38.:24:43.

a million people on zero hours contracts. It is not a million

:24:44.:24:50.

people. It is 850,000. It was higher. Why didn't you do anything

:24:51.:24:55.

about it when you were in power? The reality is, zero hours contracts

:24:56.:24:57.

were not a feature of the economic landscape of this country when

:24:58.:25:01.

Labour left office. It is now. It is the biggest symbol of the gross and

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security that most working people currently face and the things Jeremy

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Corbyn raised today, McDonald's workers, are absolutely prime

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examples. One final thing, when it comes to Brexit... Owen Smith, I

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didn't get a chance to ask you earlier, are you still in favour of

:25:20.:25:24.

a second referendum? Well, I think that leaving the European Union is

:25:25.:25:27.

going to be about our economy and the only way in which we could ever

:25:28.:25:30.

overturn that is if were a further public vote. But I don't see any

:25:31.:25:34.

real public appetite for that, although I do see some change in

:25:35.:25:38.

people's perception of how they were lied to during the Brexit

:25:39.:25:42.

referendum. I think more and more people, even those who voted Brexit,

:25:43.:25:45.

realise they were told a pack of its. We have to leave it there and

:25:46.:25:47.

say thank you very much. Jeremy Corbyn turned up at GQ

:25:48.:25:49.

magazine's Men Of The Year awards He was there to present the grime

:25:50.:25:52.

artist Stormzy with the award for solo artist of the year -

:25:53.:25:59.

there they are together - and Stormzy apparently took

:26:00.:26:02.

the opportunity of calling the Prime The Labour leader didn't win the

:26:03.:26:12.

prize for the politician of the year but he is, it seems, hot cultural

:26:13.:26:18.

property at the moment, because London's Victoria and Albert museum

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has announced that it has acquired a new T-shirt bearing his name.

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Let's find out more from our reporter Elizabeth Glinka -

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If there is one thing you thought Jeremy Corbyn wouldn't become it is

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probably a fashion icon but apparently we have all been wrong

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and here is that T-shirt, bearing his name. I'm joined by the curator

:26:36.:26:41.

of this display at the V and it. Why this T-shirt? We've acquired this

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T-shirt is part of our rapid response collecting activities.

:26:48.:26:49.

Design is very much a means to understand the world around us and

:26:50.:26:53.

this is an object that enables us to ask questions and think about design

:26:54.:26:57.

in terms of the recent general election. Thinking about that idea

:26:58.:27:01.

of design, we have seen loads of Corbyn T-shirts over the last couple

:27:02.:27:06.

of years, bootleg T-shirts. Why in particular this one? There are a

:27:07.:27:10.

variety of reasons as to why this is of interest to. The NICE swoosh logo

:27:11.:27:15.

is extremely well-known and turning these brand identities around for

:27:16.:27:17.

effect is some builders is well-established. We have a

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president in the collection. But it is about streetwear and contemporary

:27:22.:27:25.

fashion. This object was the most popular of that type for this

:27:26.:27:30.

general election. How common is it to get a transferable between

:27:31.:27:35.

politics and fashion? It happens all the time. Design, fashion, it is all

:27:36.:27:38.

inherently political and this is an object that enables us to think

:27:39.:27:42.

about what role did social media play, and why is digital now analog?

:27:43.:27:46.

Here we have a T-shirt that you and I might wear in our daily lives.

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Thank you. We might put in the cause a political balance, I have to tell

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you that T-shirts for other political parties are available.

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Thank you that equalling out on product placement.

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So, that's the one in the V, and I've got one here.

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It's made by a company called Bristol Street Wear and we thought

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Owen might like to pop it on to show the new spirit of unity

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We don't just do mugs, we give... Our generosity knows no bounds! We

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haven't actually got time, luckily for you, to ask you to put it on.

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There's just time to put you out of your misery and give

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And we have a winner... Well done! Don't break the table!

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Michael is the winner of that Daily Politics mug.

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Thanks to all my guests, especially Robin and Owen.

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The one o'clock news is starting over on BBC One now.

:28:52.:28:54.

I'll be back at noon tomorrow with all the big

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Owen Quine - he's a very famous and good novelist.

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He's gone off before, only this time it's been ten days.

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I'm an investigator. His wife's very worried for him.

:29:08.:29:10.

Owen has written a very thinly disguised slandering

:29:11.:29:14.

of the people who've tried to help him.

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Quine knew a lot of damaging stuff...

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Jo Coburn is joined by Brexit minister Robin Walker and shadow Northern Ireland secretary Owen Smith. They examine the leaked immigration document that suggests tough new curbs on migrants after Brexit and discuss Theresa May's comeback. Plus analysis of Prime Ministers Questions with Laura Kuenssberg.

The Guess the Year competition closes at 12.30pm during the live broadcast of this programme.