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Hello and welcome to
the Daily Politics. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
Theresa May is due to address MPs
this afternoon and hail a new sense | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
of optimism in the Brexit talks. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:45 | |
She'll also say she's not pushing
for either a hard or a soft Brexit. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
But what will the UK's position
outside the EU eventually look like? | 0:00:48 | 0:00:53 | |
Labour is considering moving large
parts of the Bank of England | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
to Birmingham as part of plans
to create an economic policy hub | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
in Britain's second city. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:00 | |
We speak to the economist
pushing the idea. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:06 | |
In the latest in our
'Westminster Village' series we look | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
at the people who really wield power
behind the scenes in | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour party. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:16 | |
And as Conservative-supporting
Georgia Toffolo wins I'm | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
a Celebrity, we ask if there's hope
yet for Tory attempts to win | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
over the youth vote. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
All that in the next hour and,
speaking of winning over the youth | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
vote, I'm joined by two
Parliamentary spring | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
chickens: the Shadow Minister
for Women and Equalities, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:40 | |
Dawn Butler, and the Conservative
MP and former Cabinet | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
Minister Andrew Mitchell. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:43 | |
Welcome to you both. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:51 | |
Now, over the weekend,
Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
was in Iran, where he met
with Iranian president | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
Hassan Rouhani. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:56 | |
A spokesman called the talks
"forthright" but "worthwhile". | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
Mr Johnson was due to press
for the release of Iranian-British | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
national Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe,
who is currently jailed in Iran. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
While no announcement
was made on her release, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:04 | |
a fresh hearing which was expected
to extend her sentence | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
was postponed, something
Ms Zaghari-Ratcliffe said brought | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
"some light at the end
of the tunnel". | 0:02:09 | 0:02:19 | |
Andrew Mitchell, what chance do you
think there is that Nazanin | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
Zaghari-Ratcliffe will be released
soon? I fervently hope she will be, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
that she will be home in time for
Christmas. I am one of those who has | 0:02:29 | 0:02:34 | |
campaigned for her release, I think
on humanitarian grounds alone. She | 0:02:34 | 0:02:39 | |
is not very well, hasn't seen her
daughter for so long, and she should | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
be reunited with her family. The
family have humanitarian concerns | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
will trump politics and she will be
released. Has the criticism of Boris | 0:02:48 | 0:02:56 | |
Johnson been fair? I don't think it
is helpful to go back over that. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
Years at the core this. He has gone
to terror on to make it clear that | 0:03:00 | 0:03:06 | |
Britain wants to see her released as
soon as possible and deserves credit | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
for that. In terms of being across
the detail, when you know how | 0:03:10 | 0:03:15 | |
sensitively a country like Iran
needs to be handled in these sorts | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
of cases, do you think he was across
the brief? It's clear that he | 0:03:18 | 0:03:23 | |
misspoke in that committee, and it
was a great pity that that happened. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
You know, these things happen in
politics. The critical thing is to | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
focus on the humanitarian dimension
of this and that this poor lady is | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
released as soon as possible. Dawn
Butler, the court has welcomed the | 0:03:36 | 0:03:41 | |
talks that have gone on between
President Rabbani and Boris Johnson. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:48 | |
Do you support it? -- President
Rohani. I appreciate that he is | 0:03:48 | 0:03:58 | |
trying to make up for it. I hope
that Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is | 0:03:58 | 0:04:05 | |
released before Christmas and
reunited with her husband and | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
daughters. I think it is extremely
important, and I think on | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
humanitarian grounds, but it is an
issue that at some point we have to | 0:04:13 | 0:04:19 | |
tackle sensitive issues, take a
sensitive approach and ministers to | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
handle those. In a way, it has
highlighted this case, and Boris | 0:04:23 | 0:04:28 | |
Johnson as Foreign Secretary has
been to some extent forced to go out | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
there. Do you think in the end that
will have helped the high -- will | 0:04:32 | 0:04:40 | |
have helped her? If the outcome is
that she is released and back home, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:46 | |
then I will welcome that. How much
does this visit show that Iran has | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
changed, in your mind, Andrew
Mitchell? I think we urgently need | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
to improve relations between Britain
and Iran, and we have the | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
opportunity because we are not in
the same place as President Trump | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
over the nuclear deal. We are strong
supporters of it. And we're not in | 0:05:04 | 0:05:09 | |
support of the Americans over the
moving of the embassy to Jerusalem. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:14 | |
There is an interest between Iran
and Britain that we need to build | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
on. Iran is an important player in
the Middle East, where Britain has | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
enormously important interests, and
we need to bring Iran into the | 0:05:22 | 0:05:28 | |
committee of nations. What has
happened in the last week has been | 0:05:28 | 0:05:34 | |
worrying, and Trump's approach has
been excruciatingly painful in terms | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
of peace negotiations and a two
state solution. On the whole, I | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
agree. In terms of the relationship
between Britain and Iran, how much | 0:05:42 | 0:05:47 | |
more can be done from our position?
On the specific case of the release? | 0:05:47 | 0:05:55 | |
No, broadly on improving oration --
relations with Iran? I am hoping | 0:05:55 | 0:06:05 | |
there will be a delegation from
Britain to Iran early next year. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:11 | |
There is nothing in Britain's
interest for maintaining what in the | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
past has been a big blockage with
Iran. We need to get things moving. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:20 | |
We are trading, and we need to do
that more. We need a better | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
understanding. I think contact
between the two countries should now | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
be intensified, and it is very
important. Lets leave it there. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:35 | |
Now it's time for our daily quiz. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:36 | |
Over the weekend Theresa May
decorated a Christmas tree | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
in her church in her constituency. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:40 | |
So, the question for today
is, what did she put | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
on the top of the tree? | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
Was it a) A gold star, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:45 | |
b) An angel, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:46 | |
c) A silver shoe, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:47 | |
or d) A bauble
with Jean-Claude Juncker's | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
face on it? | 0:06:49 | 0:06:50 | |
At the end of the show Andrew
and Dawn will give us | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
the correct answer. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
The Prime Minister will address
the House of Commons later this | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
afternoon and hail a new "sense
of optimism" in the Brexit talks. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
It follows that deal on Friday
which allows negotiations to move | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
forward to discuss the future
relationship between | 0:07:07 | 0:07:08 | |
Britain and the EU. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:09 | |
But the nature of that future
relationship is likely to become | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
the focus of fierce domestic debate
in the coming weeks and months. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
The Cabinet will begin
its discussions later this month. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
And further across the political
spectrum, there is a wide range | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
of opinion: | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
David Davis said yesterday
the UK Government wants | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
to secure a 'Canada plus plus plus'
free trade deal after the UK | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
leaves the EU. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:31 | |
Canada's deal with the EU
eliminates 98% of the tariffs | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
between the EU and Canada,
without the country saying | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
for access to the Single Market. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
But unlike the Canada deal,
Davis wants financial services, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:49 | |
between the EU and Canada,
--without the country paying | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
But unlike the Canada deal,
Davis wants financial services, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
which account for a substantial part
of Britain's economic output, to be | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
included in the tariff-free area. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:57 | |
Some Brexiteers have expressed
concerns that the 'full alignment' | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
outlined in Friday's agreement
will undermine the UK's ability | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
to strike free trade deals
with third party countries. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:11 | |
Labour's Brexit spokesman,
Keir Starmer, says the UK should | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
"stay aligned" to the EU
after Brexit, and could negotiate | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
payments to access the single
market, as Norway does now. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:26 | |
Asked if that would include allowing
free movement of people, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
Labour have indicated
they would support an "easy" | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
movement of people. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
The Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily
Thornberry raised the possibility | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
yesterday that the UK could stay
in a form of customs union | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
to allow trade to continue
between the EU and UK. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:45 | |
But the SNP have called on Labour
to "get behind" the SNP | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
in committing to stay in the single
market and customs union. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:56 | |
Chris Mason joins me now. Sufficient
progress was made on Friday but | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
there is a lot to get through before
it is rubber-stamped this Friday. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:05 | |
Yeah, their race. This morning, the
first thing was a cabinet meeting. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
There is only one more after today
before the end of the year, and | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
there is that big discussion to come
about the end state, in terms of | 0:09:13 | 0:09:18 | |
what the Cabinet wants the flavour
Brexit to be once we have left at | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
the end of March of the year after
next. This afternoon, that | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
appointment the Prime Minister has
in front of that though it meant the | 0:09:28 | 0:09:33 | |
House of Commons. She was hoping to
do it last week before that aborted | 0:09:33 | 0:09:38 | |
lunch with Jean-Claude Juncker. Then
the dash back to Brussels in the | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
early hours of Friday morning. A
pretty triumphant tone, I suspect, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:48 | |
from the Prime Minister this
afternoon, and from some around her, | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
because it could have been very
different. We could have been | 0:09:51 | 0:09:56 | |
talking about how the whole thing
had unravelled and how it was a | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
nightmare for the Prime Minister,
and all the talk of what that might | 0:09:59 | 0:10:06 | |
mean for the future, or there could
be days to go until a summit and a | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
deal still hadn't been done.
Instead, the Prime Minister will say | 0:10:10 | 0:10:17 | |
it is not about hard or soft Brexit.
Our old friend, nothing is agreed | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
until everything is agreed, but, she
says, a new sense of optimism about | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
talks in the New Year as talk about
the future relationship becomes the | 0:10:26 | 0:10:32 | |
focus in 2018. How is she going to
keep everybody on board when | 0:10:32 | 0:10:37 | |
everybody has a different view and
opinion of what that end state in | 0:10:37 | 0:10:42 | |
terms of the future trade
relationship should actually look | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
like? And tell us about the EU
withdrawal bill, which is back in | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
the Commons. That is the challenge
of keeping everyone on board. The | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
flip side is, if you are in Downing
Street, you can marvel at them | 0:10:53 | 0:11:01 | |
managing to come up with a document
that Brussels, Dublin, Belfast and | 0:11:01 | 0:11:10 | |
the various wings of the
Conservative Party were willing to | 0:11:10 | 0:11:15 | |
sign off on. Once we start getting
into that discussion about the | 0:11:15 | 0:11:20 | |
future relationship, and ultimately
boils down to how close or otherwise | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
the UK in the future will be to the
EU on the other side of Brexit, then | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
there will be a range of views and
arguments, no doubt. As far as the | 0:11:27 | 0:11:33 | |
withdrawal bill is concerned, that
continues. It is trundling through | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
the House of Commons. Huge amounts
of detail to go through in terms of | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
all that. The Government will hope
that the prospect of any defeat | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
there has been limited by something
that falls into the category, I was | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
told last week by one MP, being
important but boring. This is the | 0:11:48 | 0:11:56 | |
whole business of the procedure
committee and the proposed sifting | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
committee. Bear with me! The idea is
that there can be more scrutiny of | 0:11:59 | 0:12:07 | |
statutory instruments, some of the
tools being used to push through a | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
heck of a lot of detail in that
bill. I'm glad you are a crush -- | 0:12:10 | 0:12:17 | |
across it all. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:18 | |
I'm joined now by the Westminster
leader of the SNP, Ian Blackford, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
and from central lobby
by the Conservative | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
MP Bernard Jenkin -
who was on the board of the official | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
Leave campaign group, Vote Leave. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:27 | |
Dawn Butler and Andrew Mitchell
are also still with me. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
Ian Blackford, first of all, you
have made a pitch to Labour to join | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
you in committing the UK to
remaining in the customs union and | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
single market - why? It is about
protecting jobs and investment in | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
the UK. If we are out with those, it
will cost hundreds of thousands of | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
jobs throughout the UK. Why have you
made this pitch to Labour now? There | 0:12:46 | 0:12:52 | |
is a growing concern as to where we
may end up in phase two. I am asking | 0:12:52 | 0:12:57 | |
Labour and other opposition parties
and Conservative MPs to join with | 0:12:57 | 0:13:03 | |
us. Nobody voted to be poorer, and
what I would say to dawn and others | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
is that we need to make sure we
protect the interests of our | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
constituencies. That is why
remaining in is so important. Mike | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
do you accept that overture from the
SNP? I think position the Labour | 0:13:15 | 0:13:20 | |
Party has taken from the very
beginning is right, and has been | 0:13:20 | 0:13:27 | |
proven to be right. What is it? The
transitional arrangement and deal, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:33 | |
and having a bespoke deal when it
comes to the customs union. I think | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
sometimes we forget, because it was
well over a year ago, that Labour's | 0:13:35 | 0:13:42 | |
position at the very beginning has
been proven to be right. My question | 0:13:42 | 0:13:48 | |
is, do you accept the SNP invitation
to stay in the customs union and the | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
single market and campaign with an?
I understand what Ian is saying, but | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
the thing is, that would mean that
we would be ignoring the referendum, | 0:13:56 | 0:14:02 | |
and the Labour Party has no
intention of ignoring the | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
referendum. We have said that we
need a transitional arrangement and | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
a way to maintain the benefits of
the customs union and single market. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
But what's the difference between
your position and the SNP's? As you | 0:14:14 | 0:14:20 | |
said, Kia Starmer, he said we want
to retain the same benefits as if we | 0:14:20 | 0:14:25 | |
were in the single market and
customs union. Essentially, what is | 0:14:25 | 0:14:30 | |
the difference? Basically how we
talk about it, in essence. We might | 0:14:30 | 0:14:35 | |
not be able to say we are still in,
but if we maintain the benefits, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
then, you know... You will call it
something different but essentially | 0:14:39 | 0:14:44 | |
it's the same? It is that once you
leave, you can no longer be a member | 0:14:44 | 0:14:49 | |
of the single market as it is. Do
you see any difference between your | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
position is? There is, and we have
to be clear about the threat to jobs | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
and prosperity. The point is, what
the Tories have talked about before | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
is coming out of the single market
and customs union. Labour have | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
accepted that we need a transition
deal. The harsh reality is, through | 0:15:05 | 0:15:12 | |
the transition deal, we will be in
the single market and customs union. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
The cliff edge remains, but I am
trying to remove the threat to jobs | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
in our constituencies up and down
the country. Nobody has voted to be | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
poorer. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
You just said the government should
expect to remain in the customs | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
union and Single Market during the
implementation period. Bernard | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
Jenkin, do you agree with that and
is that your understanding? I am | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
listening with amazement because the
Labour Party stood on a platform at | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
the last election that they
respected the referendum result | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
which meant leaving the European
Union, leaving the customs union and | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
Single Market, and they had some
words in the manifesto about trying | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
to have the benefits of being in the
Single Market and Customs union | 0:15:51 | 0:15:56 | |
without actually being in it. What
will happen in the implementation | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
period as far as the government is
concerned? Now we're hearing the | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
Labour Party has moved a position
that we don't leave the European | 0:16:03 | 0:16:08 | |
Union and the fact Kier Starmer
committed the Labour Party to a | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
second referendum can only mean one
thing, they are open to change the | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
result, hoping to reverse the
referendum decision, so the | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
Conservative Party now is the only
party apart from the DUP, these two | 0:16:18 | 0:16:24 | |
parties in parliament, that actually
want to honour the referendum result | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
and deliver the freedom to control
our own law decide on our own | 0:16:26 | 0:16:32 | |
borders and stop contributing money
to the European Union. Dawn Butler, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
are you committed, or can you rule
out that Labour would ever support | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
the idea of a second referendum? Can
I just say that the problem with | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
what was just said is that David
Davis admitted he doesn't have to be | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
very bright to do his job and beat
Brexit Secretary and I think that is | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
fundamentally what the problem is.
Did he? He did and that is | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
fundamentally the problem because
you have to be across the detail and | 0:16:55 | 0:17:01 | |
that's the problem with the
negotiation. I am asking a question | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
about the second referendum, is
Labour going to support a second | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
referendum? It is not something we
are considering at the moment. But | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
you might? As Keir Starmer said
nothing is off the table and it's a | 0:17:11 | 0:17:16 | |
sensible approach to negotiations
and this is the problem we have had | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
with this government, terms of
having red lines, and after a year | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
and a half having to then row back
because they hadn't considered the | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
detail. That's the problem. Bernard
Jenkin, how do you envisage | 0:17:27 | 0:17:33 | |
Britain's future relationship beyond
Brexit in terms of trade? Well, the | 0:17:33 | 0:17:38 | |
idea that the Cabinet has never
discussed any of this, the position | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
was set out in the manifesto that we
are leaving the EU, leaving the | 0:17:41 | 0:17:46 | |
customs union and the Single Market
and we are going to be in a position | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
to do meaningful trade deals with
non-EU countries and that means we | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
need to have regulatory autonomy.
Most trade deals are not about | 0:17:54 | 0:18:00 | |
negotiating about tariffs, is the
icing on the cake to get rid of the | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
tariffs. Most trade deals are about
dismantling the nontariff barriers. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
So you do want to see regulate your
autonomy? Absolutely. How worried | 0:18:08 | 0:18:14 | |
are you about the idea that if a
deal is and then they will be full | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
alignment of the UK being tied
closely to the EU standards and | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
customs in order to maintain that
open border with Ireland? We have | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
clearly made a commitment to Ireland
and to the EU that we want | 0:18:25 | 0:18:31 | |
alignment. But every trade deal
starts out with discussion about, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:38 | |
you got to align with us and we have
got to align with you post stop the | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
advantage of this discussion about
our trade deal with the EU is we | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
already have complete alignment. The
alignment in Northern Ireland is | 0:18:45 | 0:18:50 | |
confined purely to the matters that
pertain to the North-South | 0:18:50 | 0:18:56 | |
co-operation in support of the
agreement. In any case, this text | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
will form part of a much bigger text
of the withdrawal agreement and it | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
is the withdrawal agreement as a
whole that will have legally binding | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
effect. This text on its own has no
legal binding effect. This is a | 0:19:07 | 0:19:12 | |
statement of intent as David Davis
said, which upset the Irish | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
government? The Irish hosted the
Jolly Roger and had to pull it down | 0:19:16 | 0:19:21 | |
again. Are you saying this agreement
is not what the paper it is written | 0:19:21 | 0:19:26 | |
on? I did not say that. You said it
is not binding in any way. It is an | 0:19:26 | 0:19:31 | |
agreement for the movement to the
main stage of negotiations which is | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
long overdue and the fact the EU
almost begs Theresa May to make an | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
agreement shows what a strong
position in the United Kingdom is in | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
and that we should stick to our
guns. We should not finish up where | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
Labour and the Liberal Democrats and
SNP now want this country to be | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
outside the European Union, unable
to influence the decisions made, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
unable to influence the court, but
subject to the court and all the | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
rules and all the costs, and unable
to do trade deals with the other | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
countries outside the EU. That's the
worst of all possible worlds. Why is | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
it that Richard Tice from leave
means leave says this is a total | 0:20:07 | 0:20:12 | |
capitulation this deal, that the UK
is paying far more that they are not | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
legally bound to do in order to move
on to Phase 2, that they have signed | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
up to an arrangement where the UK
could be tied for a generation to | 0:20:20 | 0:20:28 | |
the EU in terms of customs and in
terms of standards. There will not | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
be the diversions you have talked
about, -- divergences. The European | 0:20:31 | 0:20:36 | |
Court of Justice will have
jurisdiction over the rights of EU | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
citizens during the implementation
period and possibly beyond. Do you | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
regard that as a success? That is
not the Government's position, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
perhaps he's listening too much to
the European Union, the Remainers | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
and Remainers and SNP and Labour
Party. I thought you supported Leave | 0:20:50 | 0:20:55 | |
Means Leave. I am a supporter of
Leave Means Leave but I don't agree | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
with Richard on this point. Right,
why not? If I could get a word in | 0:20:58 | 0:21:03 | |
edgeways, please. Go on, finish. The
point is that this is merely moving | 0:21:03 | 0:21:09 | |
us to the next phase of negotiations
and we are moving towards the trade | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
negotiations with the EU. Both sides
are setting out their positions on | 0:21:13 | 0:21:18 | |
each side. There will have to be
compromise, as there was comprised | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
between Canada and the EU. To finish
up the Canada plus plus plus and | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
able to do trade deals with the
United States, or even be able to | 0:21:26 | 0:21:32 | |
participate in the Trans-Pacific
Partnership which has been abandoned | 0:21:32 | 0:21:33 | |
by the United States, which would
welcome British participation. We | 0:21:33 | 0:21:38 | |
have huge opportunities and must not
throw these opportunities away by | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
still being a prisoner of the EU. Do
you think Britain is going to be a | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
prisoner of the EU in the way
Bernard Jenkin has outlined? Would | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
you like to see the UK closely
aligned to the Single Market and | 0:21:50 | 0:21:56 | |
customs union? Let's be clear where
we are. First of all we have reached | 0:21:56 | 0:22:01 | |
first base successfully, we had a
difficult week last week but it | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
ended with triumph for the Prime
Minister and we can now advance | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
towards the second phase. My dispute
with all my colleagues who have | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
spoken on this programme so far is
that I think they are slightly | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
jumping the gun. The key is to get
into the negotiations, Canada plus | 0:22:14 | 0:22:19 | |
plus plus sounds to me like a very
good starting point for the British | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
negotiations. And at the end of the
day, of course we are going to have | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
to have a transition period,
otherwise... Within the Single | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
Market and customs union? A
transition period. We have to have | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
it otherwise businesses will not be
to plan and make the necessary | 0:22:34 | 0:22:40 | |
changes required. The key thing to
me is to let the negotiator who is | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
doing an extremely good job get on
with negotiating the best position | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
for Britain. Is that David Davis?
Dawn Butler said he is not very | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
bright. I would beg to differ. It is
his own words. He has a brain like a | 0:22:48 | 0:22:55 | |
steel trap, he is extremely bright,
let the negotiator get on with | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
negotiating the best deal for
Britain. That is not either a hard | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
or a soft Brexit, it's the best deal
for Britain, the whole of Britain, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
that's what I want to see us advance
towards. Do you see movement to | 0:23:06 | 0:23:11 | |
Phase 2 is a statement of intent and
not binding in any way? The | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
principle outlined is binding
absolutely. You disagree with | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
Bernard Jenkin that it's all up for
grabs? Bernard is quite rightly | 0:23:18 | 0:23:26 | |
giving a technical appreciation but
what I'm saying is that when the | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
British government put up that point
which secured agreement across the | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
piece, that principle is certainly
binding. Do you see the UK's future | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
relationship as one that will be
closely mirroring the European Union | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
in terms of rules and regulations? I
see the primacy and absolute | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
importance of a free-trade deal as
overruling all of that. That by | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
definition means alignment to some
extent. At a free-trade deal is an | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
sooty essential for both of us. What
in your mind, Dawn Butler, does easy | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
movement of people mean? It means
that some people say you have signed | 0:23:56 | 0:24:01 | |
up to no movement, we're not signing
up to no movement, there has to be | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
movement. The end to freedom of
movement is what the Labour | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
manifesto said. So what does Keir
Starmer mean when he says easy | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
movement? Well, that is something
that he will then develop in terms | 0:24:11 | 0:24:16 | |
of detail. So he hasn't thought
through what this is? The question | 0:24:16 | 0:24:21 | |
he was answering was, are we saying
there was no movement? Keir Starmer | 0:24:21 | 0:24:26 | |
said there done that it's impossible
to say there is no movement because | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
we need movement of people in order
for our economy, we will need | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
movement of people but it won't look
exactly as it looks now. So, there | 0:24:33 | 0:24:39 | |
would be more stringent regimes
around it in terms of how people are | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
monitored in a doubt. What about the
numbers, for example? We do not talk | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
about caps and numbers. -- in and
out. To be honest it's a part of the | 0:24:48 | 0:24:58 | |
negotiation details if we were
around the negotiating table that we | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
could come back with more detail on.
That's the kind of question you | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
should be asking David Davis and the
government in terms of what their | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
plans are. Do you see in the coming
months, Ian Blackford, that Labour | 0:25:07 | 0:25:14 | |
will move its position to saying we
should remain in this angle market | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
and customs union, and then the two
of you can forge a closer | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
relationship on Brexit? Yes, that
has got to happen because it has to | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
be about protecting the interests of
our constituents. Are you talking to | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
Labour at the moment? I wrote to
Jeremy Corbyn yesterday and I'm | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
waiting for a reply and I said we
should meet. The fundamentals of | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
this is if we are in a situation
that everybody accepts there is | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
going to be alignment with the rules
of the EU, the situation we are in | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
today is they will be no border
between Northern Ireland and the | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
Republic. We know on the basis of
the intervention of the DUP there | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
will be no border between the island
of Ireland and the rest of the | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
United Kingdom. The only way you can
square this is by staying in this on | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
the market and customs union.
Die-hard Brexiteers have taken the | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
country up a blind alley and it
hasn't worked. They have to accept | 0:25:59 | 0:26:04 | |
that staying in the Single Market
and customs union is the only | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
logical way of resolving this.
Bernard Jenkin, final word. Will you | 0:26:07 | 0:26:12 | |
and do you store think Britain
should pay for its obligations that | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
it said it should honour even if you
do get the trade deal you like? We | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
have no obligations. We would like
to offer the EU some money as a | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
goodwill gesture for leaving the
European Union midway during a | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
budget period and that is reasonable
enough. Two very quick points. There | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
was never going to be a hard border
between Northern Ireland and the | 0:26:30 | 0:26:35 | |
Republic. That's not what the Irish
government thought. If they wanted | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
to have one that would be up to them
but we would never have one. If they | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
wanted to put infrastructure there
that would be up to them and | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
actually it would never happen. It
was all a bluff and a nonsense. You | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
don't need to police the border at
the border in order to police the | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
border with technology these days.
The second thing about alignment. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
Alignment is a yes no question.
Andrew is completely right. In any | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
free-trade deal there are degrees of
alignment. The point is under the | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
new arrangements when we leave the
EU, we will control what we choose | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
to align with the EU instead of
being dictated on what our | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
regulatory regime should be. You say
that but at the moment it doesn't | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
sound like that. That is your
opinion. That's the opinion | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
expressed by many people, the term
was used. You are obviously on their | 0:27:19 | 0:27:25 | |
side. Whose side? You said you agree
with them. I said the view was | 0:27:25 | 0:27:33 | |
expressed. Bernard Jenkin, thank
you. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:38 | |
I should also say thank you to you,
Ian Blackford. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
Now, Should the Bank of England be
moved from London to Birmingham? | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
The Shadow Chancellor John
McDonnell, seen here protesting | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
outside the Bank in London
earlier this year, has today | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
launched a report into what Labour
are calling Financing Investment. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
The report recommends,
among other things, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:53 | |
that the the Old Lady
of Threadneedle Street, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
as it's known, should
be moved from the City | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
to England's second city. | 0:27:58 | 0:27:58 | |
It claims the move would spread
investment across the country. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
Mr McDonnell said the report drums
home the message that our financial | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
system isn't delivering enough
investment across | 0:28:04 | 0:28:05 | |
the whole country. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:06 | |
We're joined now by Graham Turner
from GFC Economics who has | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
authored today's report. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
Welcome to the programme. Would this
be anything more than a symbolic | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
move? Moving functions to
Birmingham? I do not see it as | 0:28:16 | 0:28:23 | |
tokenism, not a nod to devolution,
it's a very necessary move to | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
counter the big problems we have in
this country around economic policy, | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
huge regional imbalances, financial
system geared far too much towards | 0:28:30 | 0:28:35 | |
speculative lending, manufacturing
lending has gone down dramatically | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
in recent years and we have got to
have a complete rethink about how | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
economic policy is structured in
this country. That maybe so but how | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
does moving certain functions at the
Bank of England deliver that? We | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
have said clearly it's not just
about moving that, it's about the | 0:28:49 | 0:28:56 | |
mandate, the two side by side. What
with the mandate the? We have not | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
said what the mandate would be, this
report is over 200 pages long and | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
this will be in our next report. On
the question of real -- relocation, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:13 | |
we are looking at global hubs,
London is one of them and it has a | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
detrimental impact on other cities
in the country. We can see it in the | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
West and other countries. That's
because technology is gravitating | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
towards finance. You have to move
some functions of finance in order | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
for technology to be disbursed more
evenly. How would that deliver | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
regional equality in terms of
investment? We need faster growing | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
hubs in sectors that pay better --
jobs. It's not just fine as that | 0:29:35 | 0:29:40 | |
pays welcome information,
communication, professional and | 0:29:40 | 0:29:41 | |
scientific technology services. If
you move the control of finance away | 0:29:41 | 0:29:46 | |
from the City of London you will not
damage the City of London's outward | 0:29:46 | 0:29:51 | |
look to the rest of the world. I
think it would strengthen it. You | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
would say to the Bank of England,
you've got to look at rebalancing | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
this country because it is damaging
the whole of this country that we | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
have one city where it is or
becoming too expensive to do | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
business. In terms of relocation,
what specific functions are you | 0:30:03 | 0:30:09 | |
talking about? We have not said the
specific functions, and again we | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
hope this could be in the follow-up
report. What we have said this | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
morning is that one has got to
imagine we would be looking in the | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
realm of some domestic banking
functions. Can I just say that when | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
we look at the Monetary Policy
Committee, an important part of the | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
Bank of England, ask yourself the
question, how many of these fine | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
individuals who have been on the MPC
in the last few years have come from | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
institutions outside of the Golden
Triangle? Nobody from Scotland, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
Wales, I'm talking of the
institution, nobody from Northern | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
Ireland, so you get a bias towards
London. Do you agree, this is part | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
of the world that isn't so far from
you, there was a relocation? I | 0:30:43 | 0:30:48 | |
represent the town of royal Sutton
Coldfield up against the walls of | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
Birmingham and I'm always pleased to
see the investment coming to | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
Birmingham. I thought the Bank of
England did have a specific office | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
in Birmingham. It certainly did a
few years ago. But would you support | 0:30:56 | 0:31:01 | |
more functions being moved on the
basis of what Graham is saying, that | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
it would somehow tilt the
institution bias away from London? | 0:31:05 | 0:31:11 | |
He hasn't put any flesh on the bones
of what this would mean, but in | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
terms of regional policy, I think
what he says goes with the grain of | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
a lot of what the Government is
doing. We now have for the first | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
time a really effective and very
strong Mayor in the West Midlands, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:28 | |
Andy Street. A conservative. A
Mayor, it is a new structure. He is | 0:31:28 | 0:31:33 | |
galvanising the region's economic
future. In terms of getting | 0:31:33 | 0:31:40 | |
policy-making out of London, that is
something the Government is doing, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
and it seems to me that this isn't a
million miles away. It is quite | 0:31:43 | 0:31:50 | |
different. I am not against
devolution, but control of economic | 0:31:50 | 0:31:56 | |
policy, having lending and interest
rate decisions based around the | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
needs of the whole country, that's
what I'm talking about. I'm not sure | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
that being in Birmingham does that.
It does make a difference, and that | 0:32:04 | 0:32:12 | |
is why London does well. If you put
an institution in one place | 0:32:12 | 0:32:17 | |
physically,... Clusters become self
feeding, which is what all the | 0:32:17 | 0:32:23 | |
research says. We need to break that
tendency towards ever more | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
concentration of economic power in
cities. In the growth of the Nando's | 0:32:27 | 0:32:33 | |
services in Britain's second city,
and HSBC have their UK headquarters | 0:32:33 | 0:32:39 | |
in Birmingham, so in terms of a
power shift, moving jobs and | 0:32:39 | 0:32:44 | |
services throughout the country,
burning is already ahead on that. On | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
decisions like interest rates, are
you saying that relocating functions | 0:32:48 | 0:32:54 | |
to Birmingham might influence or
change the way the Bank of England | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
makes decisions? We are saying it
needs to change the way it looks at | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
decisions around the whole economy.
Which decisions would be different | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
if they were in Birmingham? We have
an incredible focus on speculative | 0:33:05 | 0:33:11 | |
lending. Financial stability ports
are all about capitalising the bank. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
There is very little about the fact
that we run this huge deficit in | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
manufacturing, what it means in
terms of wages, consumer credit, so | 0:33:20 | 0:33:26 | |
we need a wider discussion about
financial stability. It is not just | 0:33:26 | 0:33:31 | |
about the banks having enough
capital. The Bank of England is | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
still fighting the battle of ten
years ago. They didn't see what was | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
coming with the financial crisis, so
it is busy trying to repair the | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
mistakes of ten years ago. We are
seeing an impact of technology on | 0:33:43 | 0:33:53 | |
wages, on automation. We need to
support manufacturing and high-value | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
services. Argue worried about
automation? No, but I am worried | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
about whether UK is. There are
countries that are ahead of us, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:06 | |
including the US. We are falling
well behind. Does Labour accept this | 0:34:06 | 0:34:12 | |
recommendation from Graham Turner?
In the round, yes. It means | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
investing in a new generation, in
productive industries. I completely | 0:34:16 | 0:34:22 | |
understand it. You are building an
environment where more people want | 0:34:22 | 0:34:27 | |
to feed into it, so more people will
go to university or learn the | 0:34:27 | 0:34:33 | |
financial industry. When you move
something somewhere else, you will | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
build a movement around that so I
completely understand that. Has the | 0:34:37 | 0:34:45 | |
Northern Power has delivered what
the Government set out? We said in | 0:34:45 | 0:34:50 | |
our report that just building train
lines, great, but the danger is that | 0:34:50 | 0:34:56 | |
you just create long-distance
commuters. That does not create | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
clusters. We want knowledge
capitals. I think that is how we | 0:35:00 | 0:35:06 | |
will improve our standing in the
rest of the world. Have you been | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
disappointed with the lack of proper
funding behind the Northern | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
Powerhouse? No, I think the Northern
Powerhouse, which was dreamt up by | 0:35:13 | 0:35:21 | |
the Coalition Government, has made a
big contribution. We're making good | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
progress in the Midlands in the way
that I described, through having | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
this outstandingly good Mayor. Think
you for joining us. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:33 | |
Now, Christmas might be approaching,
but that doesn't mean MPs | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
are taking their foot off
the gas just yet. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
And it's another busy week
in Westminster and beyond. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
Tomorrow, the Prime Minister will be
in Paris attending climate change | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
talks with around 50 world leaders. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:43 | |
The One Plant Summit aims to boost
political and economic support | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
for meeting the goals set out
in the Paris agreement | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
two years ago. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
Meanwhile, MPs will once
again be focussing | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
on the European Union Withdrawal
Bill. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:53 | |
MPs will debate an amendment tabled
by former Attorney General Dominic | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
Grieve which says the promise
of a "meaningful vote" | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
for Parliament on any Brexit deal
should be enshrined in law. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:05 | |
On Wednesday, Theresa May
and Jeremy Corbyn will face each | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
other in the House of Commons
at Prime Minister's Questions and ) | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
On Thursday it's the start of the EU
leaders' Summit which will decide | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
whether sufficient progress has been
made in the negotiations | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
has been achieved. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
Theresa May will be informed
whether or not trade | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
and transition talks can begin. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
For more on this, I'm joined
by the Telegraph's Kate McCann | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
and Politico's Jack Blanchard. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:35 | |
Welcome to both of you. Kate McCann,
first, it is a busy week, and there | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
has been some expectation that it
will be difficult to keep everyone | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
on board before the deal is
rubber-stamped on Friday. Where do | 0:36:42 | 0:36:47 | |
you think the areas of concern would
be for the Government? I think we | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
will see where those areas of
concern are over the course of | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
today, because Theresa May is
chairing her cabinet meeting this | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
morning. There have been
conversations over the weekend about | 0:36:58 | 0:37:03 | |
concern, particularly David Davies
yesterday about the Northern Ireland | 0:37:03 | 0:37:08 | |
aspect of the agreement made last
week, and then we will see her face | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
MPs in the House of Commons later. I
would be surprised if there weren't | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
some interventions from her own
backbenchers on what the deal struck | 0:37:15 | 0:37:20 | |
with the EU means, on Northern
Ireland and other issues. And then | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
we will come to the trade talks.
That is what the Government is | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
hoping for. And that will open a new
can of worms about exactly what type | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
of trade deal the EU wants -- the UK
wants with the EU, and trade deals | 0:37:30 | 0:37:40 | |
around the world. There has been
talk of not wanting to stay closely | 0:37:40 | 0:37:47 | |
tied to the EU but keeping
regulatory alignment - what do you | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
make about? It sounds incredibly
boring, but it's actually really | 0:37:51 | 0:37:56 | |
important, this stuff. For that! We
have these terms that we are getting | 0:37:56 | 0:38:02 | |
to grips with. It is about what sort
of country Britain is going to be in | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
the future, how much it is aligned
with rules and regulations from | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
Europe and how much we go our own
way. It is a huge debate raging in | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
Government, and it has been for a
few weeks. It is about to explode | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
onto the surface in the Cabinet,
which is very divided on this. It is | 0:38:17 | 0:38:22 | |
long-term future of the nation
stuff, so people like Bernard Jenkin | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
are very much trying to push Theresa
May in a certain direction where | 0:38:26 | 0:38:31 | |
Britain will get a clean break go
off into the world and have its own | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
rules and leg relations about all of
things. -- rules and regulations. It | 0:38:35 | 0:38:42 | |
is a hugely important issue, but no
one has really started to debate or | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
they are only just starting now, and
I think they will hear a lot about | 0:38:46 | 0:38:51 | |
these long boring terms about
regulatory alignment over the next | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
few months. We had better get used
them. In terms of the statement of | 0:38:54 | 0:38:59 | |
intent, David Davies himself seemed
to cast doubt on how binding the | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
agreement actually was, this idea
that nothing is agreed until | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
everything is agreed. Does that make
it more difficult to keep everyone | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
together until Friday? I think we
will see the Prime Minister that | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
again today, and there is a reason
for that. It is exactly as you say, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:20 | |
that they want to be able to give
themselves enough leeway because | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
they know the divisions on these
issues, as Jack just said, are so | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
huge that it is impossible to tie
them down. What we saw with the DUP | 0:39:27 | 0:39:32 | |
last week I think they will see
again. The issue was pushed and | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
pushed until the last minute, when
people really kicked off about it, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
but in quite a short space of time,
because there is a deadline for | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
agreement, it is not then the Prime
Minister's interest to open it up | 0:39:42 | 0:39:49 | |
and talk about it early, because
that exposes these huge chasms of | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
opinion earlier. It will be
difficult to bridge those. You will | 0:39:53 | 0:40:00 | |
see Theresa May try to keep it as
open as she can, and that is what | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
David Davies was doing over the
weekend, though it looks like he | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
went too far, because as soon as you
say it is really open, the Irish | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
Government says, that is not what we
want to hear and is problematic. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
They are trying a balancing act of
keeping everyone in the boat without | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
too tipping -- tipping too far one
way because they will have to pull | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
people back over the site. David
Davis this morning very much | 0:40:22 | 0:40:28 | |
backtracking on how far he went on
the Andrew Marr Show yesterday. This | 0:40:28 | 0:40:35 | |
still hasn't been signed off. The
European Commission have agreed it | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
but Theresa May has this summit on
Thursday when the other 27 countries | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
have to sign it. For her to say that
it is not worth the paper it is | 0:40:43 | 0:40:49 | |
written on is not really a smart
tactic. Damian Green and his future | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
- why haven't we heard anything more
about that since the investigation | 0:40:53 | 0:40:58 | |
has been ongoing and the report has
been added to Theresa May? Is when | 0:40:58 | 0:41:03 | |
we get towards Christmas, the
question will get bigger. As you | 0:41:03 | 0:41:11 | |
say, we know she has been given an
update on the progress, and we know | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
that most people who were involved
in the investigation have so far | 0:41:14 | 0:41:20 | |
given their evidence, and therefore,
we should see a conclusion of that | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
investigation soon, if not already.
Over the course of this week, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:28 | |
Theresa May will want her Government
to focus on Brexit and probably | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
won't want to have to talk about
Damian Green. It is taking such a | 0:41:30 | 0:41:37 | |
long time. It is supposed to be
independent, not up to the Prime | 0:41:37 | 0:41:43 | |
Minister when it comes back. There
is another enquiry into a Mark | 0:41:43 | 0:41:50 | |
Garnier. Questions will mount.
Andrew Mitchell, a couple of points | 0:41:50 | 0:41:57 | |
- Damian Green - do you think there
needs to be a decision made before | 0:41:57 | 0:42:02 | |
Christmas? I am sure there will be a
decision. I think he is doing a very | 0:42:02 | 0:42:10 | |
good job as effectively the Deputy
Prime Minister and I hope he will | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
continue. He has had an
investigation into him. Theresa May | 0:42:13 | 0:42:21 | |
said there must be zero tolerance of
sexual harassment in Parliament, and | 0:42:21 | 0:42:26 | |
Michael Fallon resigned because he
said his behaviour was below the | 0:42:26 | 0:42:31 | |
expected standards, so what should
happen in terms of Damian Green? I | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
have seen no evidence at all of
harassment by Damian Green, but | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
there has been an investigation. I
can't second-guess that. As I say, I | 0:42:39 | 0:42:45 | |
think he's a very good minister and
I'm sure he will survive. Let's turn | 0:42:45 | 0:42:50 | |
to the withdrawal bill. Dominic
grieve's Amendment, your collar, | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
which would force a truly meaningful
vote on the final EU deal, meaning | 0:42:54 | 0:42:59 | |
that MPs like yourselves would have
the chance to send Theresa May back | 0:42:59 | 0:43:03 | |
to Brussels, would you support it?
We will see what happens in the | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
debate, but I am certain the
Government will want to agree to a | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
meaningful vote. I think we will
have to see how the amendment goes. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:15 | |
I will be surprised if the
Government resisted that amendment. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
You think they will give way? I
think it is a sensible amendment, | 0:43:18 | 0:43:23 | |
and Dominic grieve has already
improved the bill quite | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
significantly. I think the
Government will listen to what | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
Dominic has to say. You would be
prepared to vote for it that the | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
Government doesn't come from ice?
Lets see where we get to, but I | 0:43:32 | 0:43:36 | |
think it is a sensible amendment. We
had an opposition day debate where | 0:43:36 | 0:43:42 | |
we put that question on the floor of
the House, and it went through. That | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
is different from putting it on the
face of the bill. But the will of | 0:43:45 | 0:43:50 | |
the House has been made clear. I
think it is sensible that the House | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
should have a meaningful vote, and I
don't think the Government will want | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
to resist that. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:08 | |
A couple of weeks ago,
we took a look at the people in key | 0:44:12 | 0:44:16 | |
positions behind the scenes
in Downing Street. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:17 | |
But what about that other SW1 power
base, Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party? | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
Here's Emma Vardy with the latest
instalment of our occasional series | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
Westminster Village. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:24 | |
Jeremy Corbyn spent years
as a backbencher looking | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
at Parliamentary offices not much
bigger than a | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
cupboard. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:29 | |
But now he and his top team
have a whole floor to | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
themselves. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:33 | |
It's even got a nice balcony. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:34 | |
The executive director
of the leader's office is Karie | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
Murphy. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:37 | |
She used to work for
the deputy leader Tom Watson. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:44 | |
And we thought we'd
dig this out of the | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
archives one more time. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:47 | |
Her reaction to our mood box testing
opinion on the Shadow Cabinet. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
This is a stunt by
ill informed people. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:52 | |
Nice to meet you too. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:53 | |
And meet a man known
as Jeremy Corbyn's brain. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:55 | |
We don't talk about economic rights | 0:44:55 | 0:44:57 | |
and I think people
need economic rights. | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
Andrew Fisher used to take
to the stage himself, like at this | 0:44:59 | 0:45:01 | |
trade union event. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:02 | |
But he's now more of
a behind-the-scenes guy working | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
as Corbyn's head of policy. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:06 | |
Didn't Thatcher promise us this? | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
Seamus Milne is a top spin
doctor and rumoured to be | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
the man who got JC to
smarten up his image. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
He's a former Guardian journalist
and now trusted close | 0:45:13 | 0:45:15 | |
aide. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:19 | |
The MPs are incredibly
out of touch, I think. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:21 | |
That's why we've seen
these shocks in politics. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
Seen here on the day
of the EU referendum | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
result, James Schneider looks
after strategy in the comms team. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:30 | |
He's an ex-Lib Dem and
Greens supporter and | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
was previously on our screens
representing the pro-Corbyn | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
grassroots organisation Momentum. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:40 | |
Politics has changed. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:42 | |
We are in this sort
of national crisis period. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:44 | |
Corbyn's inner circle also
includes Amy Jackson, | 0:45:44 | 0:45:46 | |
political secretary,
and | 0:45:46 | 0:45:48 | |
former MP Katy Clark,
who is looking into | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
potentially big changes
that | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
will give Labour Party
members more power. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:57 | |
And after his recent shoot with GQ
magazine, the editor later | 0:45:57 | 0:46:05 | |
said Corbyn's entourage pushed him
about like a grandad. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
The actual shoot itself
was quite torturous. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
It was as difficult as shooting any
Hollywood celebrity. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:11 | |
Really? | 0:46:11 | 0:46:12 | |
It's not all fun and celebrity
appearances, you know? | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
This is where the party
machine operates from. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
Labour HQ in the heart
of Westminster. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:22 | |
Iain McNicol is the General
Secretary of the Labour | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
Party, its organisational chief. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:26 | |
The other key figures
in the Corbyn camp | 0:46:26 | 0:46:28 | |
are his family. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:38 | |
As we learned in this
fly-on-the-wall Vice | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
documentary, he married his Mexican
wife Laura Alvarez in 2013, after | 0:46:42 | 0:46:44 | |
they had a long-distance
relationship when she was working in | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
banking back home. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
And here's Seb Corbyn,
Jeremy's second son. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
After working on his dad's election
campaign in 2015, Seb was appointed | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
Shadow Chancellor John
McDonnell's Chief of Staff. | 0:46:55 | 0:47:02 | |
And these days, behind-the-scenes,
I can also reveal | 0:47:02 | 0:47:05 | |
that Corbyn has a personal dresser,
his own Bentley driver, a private | 0:47:05 | 0:47:07 | |
butler... | 0:47:07 | 0:47:09 | |
Not really, this was his spoof
appearance on The Last Leg | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
comedy programme, of course. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:18 | |
You're more likely
to see him like this. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:20 | |
Good morning. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:21 | |
Nice to see you all,
thank you so much for coming. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
Jeremy Corbyn back in normal attire
and back on his bike. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
I'm now joined by Kevin
Maguire, associate editor | 0:47:34 | 0:47:36 | |
of the Daily Mirror. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:37 | |
Welcome to The Daily Politics. How
has the operation changed at Labour | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
since the general election? I think
it has continued since the general | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
election, they are fine tuning it,
but the big changes were when he | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
first became leader and people came
in and he wasn't quite sure where he | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
wanted to go, there was a lot of
discord. Then he seemed to sort it | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
out after that attempt to topple him
and he went into the election and | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
did far better than even he thought,
now he can just feel some authority | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
and competence around that team. The
crucial player is Karie Murphy, the | 0:48:02 | 0:48:09 | |
chief of staff, who is kind of a
good friend bad enemy but she gets | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
things done and that's really
important. So who else does Jeremy | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
Corbyn really listen to? Karie
Murphy and Seamus Milne. The thin | 0:48:16 | 0:48:25 | |
controller, he was at the Guardian.
He's hugely intellectual and knows | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
what he is coming from politically
and ideologically and he is | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
physically capable of shouting --
incapable of shouting. Is very calm. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:37 | |
But is the big political influence
behind Jeremy Corbyn? There are many | 0:48:37 | 0:48:43 | |
political influences, there are
people like Dawn, Diane Abbott, John | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
McDonnell, they have a lot of
influence. Len McCluskey from the | 0:48:46 | 0:48:51 | |
trade unions. But in the office
Seamus Milne is more than a spin | 0:48:51 | 0:48:55 | |
doctor. He does have a role on
strategy and that's not to say there | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
are not disagreements within the
team. But they seem relatively | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
harmonious, and more so than I
believe Ed Miliband's team, a really | 0:49:01 | 0:49:06 | |
bright team, but there seems to be
too much competition in turn of the. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:09 | |
So there is a sort of sense of
purpose, unity in terms of sense of | 0:49:09 | 0:49:13 | |
purpose. Will it strike people as
odd that quite a few of his advisers | 0:49:13 | 0:49:21 | |
are public school educated and even
from the same school, Winchester? It | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
is clearly a very popular school in
the Jeremy Corbyn office. James | 0:49:24 | 0:49:26 | |
Schneider is a Bollinger Bolshevik,
Seamus Milne himself... It is a bit | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
odd. I agree. I suspect the working
class, the cloth cap, the whippet on | 0:49:30 | 0:49:39 | |
a bit of string comes in the Labour
Party chair who is a former coal | 0:49:39 | 0:49:44 | |
miner. It is a bit strange but
left-wing politics, like right-wing | 0:49:44 | 0:49:48 | |
politics, are often dominated at the
top by people from private schools. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
The Conservative Party has never
been short of them itself, has it? | 0:49:52 | 0:49:57 | |
No, indeed. Turn into the grassroots
organisation Momentum which backed | 0:49:57 | 0:50:02 | |
Jeremy Corbyn. How important is it
in terms of the day-to-day running | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
of his office? Day-to-day running of
his office, not that important, but | 0:50:04 | 0:50:09 | |
in terms of organising around the
conference, there will be selections | 0:50:09 | 0:50:15 | |
of councillors, candidates and
parliamentary elections, although I | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
think it's massively overstated in
terms of deselection. It is then | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
very important. The one thing Jeremy
Corbyn has that Ed Miliband didn't | 0:50:22 | 0:50:26 | |
is a social movement, he has people
joining who will do a lot of the | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
heavy lifting, the leaflet
delivering, going along to meetings | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
in constituencies. In fact, the
founder of that organisation, Jon | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
Lansman, what's the relationship
between -- what is the relationship | 0:50:36 | 0:50:40 | |
between him and Jeremy Corbyn. Very
close, that's not to say there is | 0:50:40 | 0:50:44 | |
not friction between Corbyn's office
and Jeremy Landsman who has one foot | 0:50:44 | 0:50:48 | |
in a one foot out. Jon Lansman. You
have conflated them. Jon Lansman in | 0:50:48 | 0:50:55 | |
the 80s was a very sectarian figure.
I believe listening and watching and | 0:50:55 | 0:51:01 | |
talking to people around him now he
is a lot less sectarian and he will | 0:51:01 | 0:51:05 | |
now reach out. There is a lot of MPs
who don't like him, they dislike him | 0:51:05 | 0:51:09 | |
because their parties have a lot of
new people coming in, they don't | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
know who they are, they are being
challenged in ways they were not | 0:51:12 | 0:51:16 | |
used to. But Momentum is on the
1980s. He said it is worse. It is | 0:51:16 | 0:51:27 | |
nonsense. I remember the 80s, I've
got grey hair, I remember them at | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
the time. Momentum is very
different. Most people in Momentum | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
seem to be quite young and
idealistic. What about the impact on | 0:51:35 | 0:51:39 | |
voters? There isn't anything sort of
materially different for the public | 0:51:39 | 0:51:43 | |
in terms of the changes at the top,
except if we take your word that | 0:51:43 | 0:51:47 | |
actually there is more unity. That,
of course, the public might notice. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:52 | |
They might also notice the
manifesto, for instance, which | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
Andrew Bishop, featured there, who
some MPs wanted kicked out of the | 0:51:55 | 0:52:00 | |
party over sin tweets he said before
the 2015 election which would the | 0:52:00 | 0:52:04 | |
rocketry about some -- which were
derogatory about some Labour MPs. -- | 0:52:04 | 0:52:13 | |
some tweets. They spend months, and
years developing the manifesto. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:24 | |
Those mass rallies that get a lot of
publicity, they don't happen on | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
their own, some he has to organise
it, somebody has to think about it, | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
Summer Rae has to get in there. How
much influence do you have on | 0:52:30 | 0:52:34 | |
day-to-day running at how close are
you to Jeremy Corbyn? Not day-to-day | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
because there are lots of things I
have to do in my role. But the times | 0:52:37 | 0:52:41 | |
that I'm there in Jeremy's office
and working with the team, they are | 0:52:41 | 0:52:49 | |
phenomenal as a group of people. Do
you contribute? Occasionally, if I | 0:52:49 | 0:52:56 | |
have something to contribute of
course they will listen. That's the | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
thing about the teams, everybody
listens, even if there is | 0:52:59 | 0:53:03 | |
disagreement, you listen and talk it
through and come out at the end of | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
it all in agreement. The reason why
Andrew was able to produce such | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
fantastic manifesto in three weeks
was because it was the Court of the | 0:53:09 | 0:53:13 | |
Labour Party's believes what's
amazing -- it was the core of the | 0:53:13 | 0:53:19 | |
Labour Party. Does Jeremy Corbyn
agree wholeheartedly with Kier | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
Starmer on the direction in terms of
Britain's relationship to the EU? Of | 0:53:22 | 0:53:27 | |
course. Kier Starmer, as I said, he
is a guy of detail and has gone | 0:53:27 | 0:53:32 | |
through every detail. Jack was right
it becomes laborious and boring | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
talking about all of this and you
need somebody who will go through | 0:53:35 | 0:53:38 | |
the detail and embrace the detail
and say this is where we need to be | 0:53:38 | 0:53:43 | |
in our negotiating positions. That
is why I asked if they are on the | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
same page. I don't think they are.
Keir Starmer has been trying to pull | 0:53:46 | 0:53:50 | |
the Labour leadership towards a more
pro-EU position for sometime around | 0:53:50 | 0:53:54 | |
the Single Market and customs union.
It is a work in progress albeit | 0:53:54 | 0:53:59 | |
there are divisions quite clearly.
What about the divisions in Cabinet? | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
How will that happen with the future
negotiations? There is a form to | 0:54:02 | 0:54:07 | |
these things, there is a Cabinet
discussion pending on what stage two | 0:54:07 | 0:54:11 | |
of the important negotiations looks
like. That's about more than just | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
the EU, it's about global Britain,
what is global Britain mean. There | 0:54:15 | 0:54:19 | |
is not a lot of flesh on the bones
at the moment. The way these things | 0:54:19 | 0:54:23 | |
happen is the Cabinet will discuss
it and the Prime Minister will make | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
a decision and in collective
responsibility binds everyone in. I | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
am certain the Conservative Party,
the government, will require a | 0:54:30 | 0:54:37 | |
collective responsibility to be
exerted when that moment comes. You | 0:54:37 | 0:54:39 | |
don't expect any more briefings? I
think they will decide to let the | 0:54:39 | 0:54:41 | |
negotiated to get on with doing the
negotiations and will back him. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
Kevin Maguire, thank you. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:51 | |
Last night saw an unusual thing
happening, a conservative winning | 0:54:51 | 0:54:55 | |
the vote of the youth. The new Queen
of the Jungle. Georgia Toffolo of | 0:54:55 | 0:55:03 | |
made in Chelsea fame was crowned the
new Queen of the jungle in a tense | 0:55:03 | 0:55:07 | |
but dumber final of ITV's I'm a
Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here!. But | 0:55:07 | 0:55:12 | |
she was not the only conservative
leaning public figure to win a vote | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
recently. New Conservative MP Ben
Bradlee snatched victory in the | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
coveted beard of the year contest,
dethroning Jeremy Corbyn for the | 0:55:18 | 0:55:22 | |
first time in years and becoming the
first ever Conservative MP to win | 0:55:22 | 0:55:26 | |
the competition in the process. Here
he is talking about his historic | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
victory. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
I've heard the big
news that apparently | 0:55:31 | 0:55:32 | |
I have been successful
in | 0:55:32 | 0:55:38 | |
my campaign to be
Parliamentary Beard of The Year. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
Now, obviously this
is pretty exciting. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:41 | |
I am flushed with emotion. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:43 | |
Flushed. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:43 | |
And I need to immediately
thank everybody | 0:55:43 | 0:55:45 | |
who has supported and voted for me. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:47 | |
It was like general election
night all over again. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:51 | |
He is genuinely thrilled. Is the
tide turning for Conservatives and | 0:55:51 | 0:55:56 | |
the youth vote? | 0:55:56 | 0:56:01 | |
You can perhaps sense my tongue is
ever so slightly in my cheek here. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
But to discuss this I'm joined
by Joe Twyman of YouGov. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
What do you think? Has the tide
turned? It's easy to over interpret | 0:56:07 | 0:56:09 | |
some of the things we see on TV.
Toff did when and she was a | 0:56:09 | 0:56:20 | |
conservative but the important thing
is she is a reality TV star. If you | 0:56:20 | 0:56:24 | |
look at the results of I'm a celeb
to me out of here the winners have | 0:56:24 | 0:56:28 | |
been reality TV stars, essentially
people used to playing the role of a | 0:56:28 | 0:56:32 | |
normal person on TV. When you
compare her to the actual | 0:56:32 | 0:56:36 | |
politicians, Kezia Dugdale and
Stanley Johnson, you see that they | 0:56:36 | 0:56:40 | |
really don't do very well at all.
Neither of them made it into the | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
final five. And also, do we know
that the people voting for her were | 0:56:43 | 0:56:49 | |
necessarily young people? I don't
know much about the voting for it | 0:56:49 | 0:56:53 | |
but I would imagine that the more
accurate data we have around two | 0:56:53 | 0:56:57 | |
thirds of new entrants into the
electorate, for instance, voting | 0:56:57 | 0:57:01 | |
Labour suggests the Conservatives
still have some way to go. The | 0:57:01 | 0:57:05 | |
politics is really incidental? I
would say when it comes to reality | 0:57:05 | 0:57:10 | |
TV, politics is one thing and the
ability to eat an animal's genitals | 0:57:10 | 0:57:14 | |
is perhaps far more important. I'm
not suggesting that if Theresa May | 0:57:14 | 0:57:19 | |
or Jeremy Corbyn were to eat animal
genitals they necessarily would | 0:57:19 | 0:57:23 | |
increase their popularity, even if
it was televised. But we really | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
don't know. Thank you for that focus
just before lunchtime on that issue, | 0:57:25 | 0:57:31 | |
it turned my stomach somewhat. Are
there any other areas in which young | 0:57:31 | 0:57:35 | |
Conservatives, if that is the way
they are voting, are either | 0:57:35 | 0:57:39 | |
supporting or performing better in
these sorts of competitions? What I | 0:57:39 | 0:57:43 | |
think is really interesting, talking
seriously now, is the fact we are | 0:57:43 | 0:57:47 | |
seeing celebrities. My senses we are
seeing celebrities more open about | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
their political allegiances, indeed
either side. If you look back to the | 0:57:50 | 0:57:55 | |
EU referendum it was difficult to
find a younger celebrity, 70 under | 0:57:55 | 0:57:59 | |
the age of 30, who would be drawn on
whether they were Remain or Leave. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:06 | |
Generally speaking most were keeping
quiet. -- certainly under the age of | 0:58:06 | 0:58:11 | |
30. We have seen more people engaged
in the political process and that is | 0:58:11 | 0:58:15 | |
reflected in celebrities. Thank you
very much. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:17 | |
There's just time before we go
to find out the answer to our quiz. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:20 | |
Do you remember the question you
two? | 0:58:20 | 0:58:23 | |
Over the weekend Theresa May
decorate a Christmas tree | 0:58:23 | 0:58:25 | |
in her church in her constituency. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:27 | |
So, the question for today
was, what did she put | 0:58:27 | 0:58:29 | |
on the top of the tree? | 0:58:29 | 0:58:31 | |
Was it a) A gold star b) An angel c)
A silver shoe or d) A bauble | 0:58:31 | 0:58:35 | |
with of Jean-Claude
Juncker face on it. | 0:58:35 | 0:58:37 | |
I reckon she has thrown a few shoes
in this negotiation process. I think | 0:58:37 | 0:58:39 | |
we are agreed. I think that the
bauble... It was not the bauble. It | 0:58:39 | 0:58:45 | |
would have looked very good but I
think it was the shoe which wins it. | 0:58:45 | 0:58:49 | |
You are right, it was heels all
around at the top of the tree, well | 0:58:49 | 0:58:53 | |
done. You can have the bauble with
Jean-Claude Juncker's face on it | 0:58:53 | 0:58:56 | |
instead. Thank you to our guests
Dawn and Andrew and I will be back | 0:58:56 | 0:59:00 | |
tomorrow at noon. Goodbye. | 0:59:00 | 0:59:02 |