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Hello and welcome to

the Daily Politics.

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Theresa May is due to address MPs

this afternoon and hail a new sense

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of optimism in the Brexit talks.

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She'll also say she's not pushing

for either a hard or a soft Brexit.

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But what will the UK's position

outside the EU eventually look like?

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Labour is considering moving large

parts of the Bank of England

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to Birmingham as part of plans

to create an economic policy hub

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in Britain's second city.

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We speak to the economist

pushing the idea.

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In the latest in our

'Westminster Village' series we look

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at the people who really wield power

behind the scenes in

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Jeremy Corbyn's Labour party.

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And as Conservative-supporting

Georgia Toffolo wins I'm

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a Celebrity, we ask if there's hope

yet for Tory attempts to win

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over the youth vote.

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All that in the next hour and,

speaking of winning over the youth

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vote, I'm joined by two

Parliamentary spring

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chickens: the Shadow Minister

for Women and Equalities,

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Dawn Butler, and the Conservative

MP and former Cabinet

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Minister Andrew Mitchell.

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Welcome to you both.

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Now, over the weekend,

Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson

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was in Iran, where he met

with Iranian president

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Hassan Rouhani.

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A spokesman called the talks

"forthright" but "worthwhile".

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Mr Johnson was due to press

for the release of Iranian-British

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national Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe,

who is currently jailed in Iran.

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While no announcement

was made on her release,

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a fresh hearing which was expected

to extend her sentence

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was postponed, something

Ms Zaghari-Ratcliffe said brought

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"some light at the end

of the tunnel".

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Andrew Mitchell, what chance do you

think there is that Nazanin

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Zaghari-Ratcliffe will be released

soon?

I fervently hope she will be,

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that she will be home in time for

Christmas. I am one of those who has

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campaigned for her release, I think

on humanitarian grounds alone. She

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is not very well, hasn't seen her

daughter for so long, and she should

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be reunited with her family. The

family have humanitarian concerns

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will trump politics and she will be

released.

Has the criticism of Boris

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Johnson been fair?

I don't think it

is helpful to go back over that.

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Years at the core this.

He has gone

to terror on to make it clear that

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Britain wants to see her released as

soon as possible and deserves credit

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for that.

In terms of being across

the detail, when you know how

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sensitively a country like Iran

needs to be handled in these sorts

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of cases, do you think he was across

the brief?

It's clear that he

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misspoke in that committee, and it

was a great pity that that happened.

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You know, these things happen in

politics. The critical thing is to

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focus on the humanitarian dimension

of this and that this poor lady is

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released as soon as possible.

Dawn

Butler, the court has welcomed the

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talks that have gone on between

President Rabbani and Boris Johnson.

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Do you support it?

-- President

Rohani. I appreciate that he is

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trying to make up for it. I hope

that Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is

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released before Christmas and

reunited with her husband and

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daughters. I think it is extremely

important, and I think on

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humanitarian grounds, but it is an

issue that at some point we have to

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tackle sensitive issues, take a

sensitive approach and ministers to

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handle those.

In a way, it has

highlighted this case, and Boris

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Johnson as Foreign Secretary has

been to some extent forced to go out

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there. Do you think in the end that

will have helped the high -- will

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have helped her?

If the outcome is

that she is released and back home,

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then I will welcome that.

How much

does this visit show that Iran has

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changed, in your mind, Andrew

Mitchell?

I think we urgently need

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to improve relations between Britain

and Iran, and we have the

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opportunity because we are not in

the same place as President Trump

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over the nuclear deal. We are strong

supporters of it. And we're not in

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support of the Americans over the

moving of the embassy to Jerusalem.

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There is an interest between Iran

and Britain that we need to build

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on. Iran is an important player in

the Middle East, where Britain has

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enormously important interests, and

we need to bring Iran into the

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committee of nations.

What has

happened in the last week has been

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worrying, and Trump's approach has

been excruciatingly painful in terms

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of peace negotiations and a two

state solution. On the whole, I

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agree.

In terms of the relationship

between Britain and Iran, how much

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more can be done from our position?

On the specific case of the release?

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No, broadly on improving oration --

relations with Iran?

I am hoping

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there will be a delegation from

Britain to Iran early next year.

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There is nothing in Britain's

interest for maintaining what in the

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past has been a big blockage with

Iran. We need to get things moving.

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We are trading, and we need to do

that more. We need a better

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understanding. I think contact

between the two countries should now

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be intensified, and it is very

important.

Lets leave it there.

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Now it's time for our daily quiz.

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Over the weekend Theresa May

decorated a Christmas tree

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in her church in her constituency.

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So, the question for today

is, what did she put

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on the top of the tree?

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Was it a) A gold star,

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b) An angel,

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c) A silver shoe,

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or d) A bauble

with Jean-Claude Juncker's

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face on it?

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At the end of the show Andrew

and Dawn will give us

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the correct answer.

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The Prime Minister will address

the House of Commons later this

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afternoon and hail a new "sense

of optimism" in the Brexit talks.

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It follows that deal on Friday

which allows negotiations to move

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forward to discuss the future

relationship between

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Britain and the EU.

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But the nature of that future

relationship is likely to become

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the focus of fierce domestic debate

in the coming weeks and months.

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The Cabinet will begin

its discussions later this month.

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And further across the political

spectrum, there is a wide range

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of opinion:

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David Davis said yesterday

the UK Government wants

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to secure a 'Canada plus plus plus'

free trade deal after the UK

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leaves the EU.

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Canada's deal with the EU

eliminates 98% of the tariffs

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between the EU and Canada,

without the country saying

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for access to the Single Market.

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But unlike the Canada deal,

Davis wants financial services,

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between the EU and Canada,

--without the country paying

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But unlike the Canada deal,

Davis wants financial services,

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which account for a substantial part

of Britain's economic output, to be

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included in the tariff-free area.

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Some Brexiteers have expressed

concerns that the 'full alignment'

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outlined in Friday's agreement

will undermine the UK's ability

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to strike free trade deals

with third party countries.

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Labour's Brexit spokesman,

Keir Starmer, says the UK should

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"stay aligned" to the EU

after Brexit, and could negotiate

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payments to access the single

market, as Norway does now.

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Asked if that would include allowing

free movement of people,

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Labour have indicated

they would support an "easy"

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movement of people.

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The Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily

Thornberry raised the possibility

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yesterday that the UK could stay

in a form of customs union

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to allow trade to continue

between the EU and UK.

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But the SNP have called on Labour

to "get behind" the SNP

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in committing to stay in the single

market and customs union.

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Chris Mason joins me now. Sufficient

progress was made on Friday but

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there is a lot to get through before

it is rubber-stamped this Friday.

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Yeah, their race. This morning, the

first thing was a cabinet meeting.

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There is only one more after today

before the end of the year, and

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there is that big discussion to come

about the end state, in terms of

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what the Cabinet wants the flavour

Brexit to be once we have left at

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the end of March of the year after

next. This afternoon, that

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appointment the Prime Minister has

in front of that though it meant the

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House of Commons. She was hoping to

do it last week before that aborted

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lunch with Jean-Claude Juncker. Then

the dash back to Brussels in the

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early hours of Friday morning. A

pretty triumphant tone, I suspect,

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from the Prime Minister this

afternoon, and from some around her,

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because it could have been very

different. We could have been

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talking about how the whole thing

had unravelled and how it was a

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nightmare for the Prime Minister,

and all the talk of what that might

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mean for the future, or there could

be days to go until a summit and a

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deal still hadn't been done.

Instead, the Prime Minister will say

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it is not about hard or soft Brexit.

Our old friend, nothing is agreed

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until everything is agreed, but, she

says, a new sense of optimism about

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talks in the New Year as talk about

the future relationship becomes the

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focus in 2018.

How is she going to

keep everybody on board when

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everybody has a different view and

opinion of what that end state in

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terms of the future trade

relationship should actually look

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like? And tell us about the EU

withdrawal bill, which is back in

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the Commons.

That is the challenge

of keeping everyone on board. The

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flip side is, if you are in Downing

Street, you can marvel at them

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managing to come up with a document

that Brussels, Dublin, Belfast and

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the various wings of the

Conservative Party were willing to

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sign off on. Once we start getting

into that discussion about the

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future relationship, and ultimately

boils down to how close or otherwise

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the UK in the future will be to the

EU on the other side of Brexit, then

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there will be a range of views and

arguments, no doubt. As far as the

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withdrawal bill is concerned, that

continues. It is trundling through

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the House of Commons. Huge amounts

of detail to go through in terms of

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all that. The Government will hope

that the prospect of any defeat

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there has been limited by something

that falls into the category, I was

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told last week by one MP, being

important but boring. This is the

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whole business of the procedure

committee and the proposed sifting

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committee. Bear with me! The idea is

that there can be more scrutiny of

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statutory instruments, some of the

tools being used to push through a

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heck of a lot of detail in that

bill.

I'm glad you are a crush --

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across it all.

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I'm joined now by the Westminster

leader of the SNP, Ian Blackford,

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and from central lobby

by the Conservative

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MP Bernard Jenkin -

who was on the board of the official

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Leave campaign group, Vote Leave.

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Dawn Butler and Andrew Mitchell

are also still with me.

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Ian Blackford, first of all, you

have made a pitch to Labour to join

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you in committing the UK to

remaining in the customs union and

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single market - why?

It is about

protecting jobs and investment in

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the UK. If we are out with those, it

will cost hundreds of thousands of

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jobs throughout the UK.

Why have you

made this pitch to Labour now?

There

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is a growing concern as to where we

may end up in phase two. I am asking

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Labour and other opposition parties

and Conservative MPs to join with

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us. Nobody voted to be poorer, and

what I would say to dawn and others

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is that we need to make sure we

protect the interests of our

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constituencies. That is why

remaining in is so important. Mike

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do you accept that overture from the

SNP?

I think position the Labour

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Party has taken from the very

beginning is right, and has been

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proven to be right.

What is it?

The

transitional arrangement and deal,

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and having a bespoke deal when it

comes to the customs union. I think

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sometimes we forget, because it was

well over a year ago, that Labour's

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position at the very beginning has

been proven to be right.

My question

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is, do you accept the SNP invitation

to stay in the customs union and the

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single market and campaign with an?

I understand what Ian is saying, but

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the thing is, that would mean that

we would be ignoring the referendum,

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and the Labour Party has no

intention of ignoring the

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referendum. We have said that we

need a transitional arrangement and

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a way to maintain the benefits of

the customs union and single market.

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But what's the difference between

your position and the SNP's? As you

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said, Kia Starmer, he said we want

to retain the same benefits as if we

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were in the single market and

customs union. Essentially, what is

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the difference?

Basically how we

talk about it, in essence. We might

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not be able to say we are still in,

but if we maintain the benefits,

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then, you know...

You will call it

something different but essentially

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it's the same?

It is that once you

leave, you can no longer be a member

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of the single market as it is.

Do

you see any difference between your

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position is?

There is, and we have

to be clear about the threat to jobs

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and prosperity. The point is, what

the Tories have talked about before

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is coming out of the single market

and customs union. Labour have

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accepted that we need a transition

deal. The harsh reality is, through

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the transition deal, we will be in

the single market and customs union.

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The cliff edge remains, but I am

trying to remove the threat to jobs

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in our constituencies up and down

the country. Nobody has voted to be

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poorer.

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You just said the government should

expect to remain in the customs

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union and Single Market during the

implementation period. Bernard

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Jenkin, do you agree with that and

is that your understanding?

I am

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listening with amazement because the

Labour Party stood on a platform at

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the last election that they

respected the referendum result

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which meant leaving the European

Union, leaving the customs union and

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Single Market, and they had some

words in the manifesto about trying

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to have the benefits of being in the

Single Market and Customs union

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without actually being in it.

What

will happen in the implementation

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period as far as the government is

concerned?

Now we're hearing the

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Labour Party has moved a position

that we don't leave the European

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Union and the fact Kier Starmer

committed the Labour Party to a

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second referendum can only mean one

thing, they are open to change the

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result, hoping to reverse the

referendum decision, so the

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Conservative Party now is the only

party apart from the DUP, these two

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parties in parliament, that actually

want to honour the referendum result

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and deliver the freedom to control

our own law decide on our own

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borders and stop contributing money

to the European Union.

Dawn Butler,

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are you committed, or can you rule

out that Labour would ever support

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the idea of a second referendum?

Can

I just say that the problem with

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what was just said is that David

Davis admitted he doesn't have to be

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very bright to do his job and beat

Brexit Secretary and I think that is

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fundamentally what the problem is.

Did he?

He did and that is

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fundamentally the problem because

you have to be across the detail and

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that's the problem with the

negotiation.

I am asking a question

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about the second referendum, is

Labour going to support a second

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referendum?

It is not something we

are considering at the moment.

But

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you might?

As Keir Starmer said

nothing is off the table and it's a

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sensible approach to negotiations

and this is the problem we have had

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with this government, terms of

having red lines, and after a year

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and a half having to then row back

because they hadn't considered the

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detail. That's the problem.

Bernard

Jenkin, how do you envisage

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Britain's future relationship beyond

Brexit in terms of trade?

Well, the

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idea that the Cabinet has never

discussed any of this, the position

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was set out in the manifesto that we

are leaving the EU, leaving the

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customs union and the Single Market

and we are going to be in a position

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to do meaningful trade deals with

non-EU countries and that means we

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need to have regulatory autonomy.

Most trade deals are not about

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negotiating about tariffs, is the

icing on the cake to get rid of the

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tariffs. Most trade deals are about

dismantling the nontariff barriers.

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So you do want to see regulate your

autonomy?

Absolutely.

How worried

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are you about the idea that if a

deal is and then they will be full

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alignment of the UK being tied

closely to the EU standards and

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customs in order to maintain that

open border with Ireland?

We have

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clearly made a commitment to Ireland

and to the EU that we want

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alignment. But every trade deal

starts out with discussion about,

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you got to align with us and we have

got to align with you post stop the

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advantage of this discussion about

our trade deal with the EU is we

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already have complete alignment. The

alignment in Northern Ireland is

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confined purely to the matters that

pertain to the North-South

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co-operation in support of the

agreement. In any case, this text

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will form part of a much bigger text

of the withdrawal agreement and it

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is the withdrawal agreement as a

whole that will have legally binding

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effect. This text on its own has no

legal binding effect.

This is a

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statement of intent as David Davis

said, which upset the Irish

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government?

The Irish hosted the

Jolly Roger and had to pull it down

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again.

Are you saying this agreement

is not what the paper it is written

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on?

I did not say that.

You said it

is not binding in any way.

It is an

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agreement for the movement to the

main stage of negotiations which is

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long overdue and the fact the EU

almost begs Theresa May to make an

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agreement shows what a strong

position in the United Kingdom is in

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and that we should stick to our

guns. We should not finish up where

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Labour and the Liberal Democrats and

SNP now want this country to be

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outside the European Union, unable

to influence the decisions made,

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unable to influence the court, but

subject to the court and all the

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rules and all the costs, and unable

to do trade deals with the other

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countries outside the EU. That's the

worst of all possible worlds.

Why is

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it that Richard Tice from leave

means leave says this is a total

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capitulation this deal, that the UK

is paying far more that they are not

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legally bound to do in order to move

on to Phase 2, that they have signed

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up to an arrangement where the UK

could be tied for a generation to

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the EU in terms of customs and in

terms of standards. There will not

0:20:280:20:31

be the diversions you have talked

about, -- divergences. The European

0:20:310:20:36

Court of Justice will have

jurisdiction over the rights of EU

0:20:360:20:39

citizens during the implementation

period and possibly beyond. Do you

0:20:390:20:42

regard that as a success?

That is

not the Government's position,

0:20:420:20:46

perhaps he's listening too much to

the European Union, the Remainers

0:20:460:20:50

and Remainers and SNP and Labour

Party.

I thought you supported Leave

0:20:500:20:55

Means Leave.

I am a supporter of

Leave Means Leave but I don't agree

0:20:550:20:58

with Richard on this point.

Right,

why not?

If I could get a word in

0:20:580:21:03

edgeways, please.

Go on, finish.

The

point is that this is merely moving

0:21:030:21:09

us to the next phase of negotiations

and we are moving towards the trade

0:21:090:21:13

negotiations with the EU. Both sides

are setting out their positions on

0:21:130:21:18

each side. There will have to be

compromise, as there was comprised

0:21:180:21:22

between Canada and the EU. To finish

up the Canada plus plus plus and

0:21:220:21:26

able to do trade deals with the

United States, or even be able to

0:21:260:21:32

participate in the Trans-Pacific

Partnership which has been abandoned

0:21:320:21:33

by the United States, which would

welcome British participation. We

0:21:330:21:38

have huge opportunities and must not

throw these opportunities away by

0:21:380:21:42

still being a prisoner of the EU.

Do

you think Britain is going to be a

0:21:420:21:46

prisoner of the EU in the way

Bernard Jenkin has outlined? Would

0:21:460:21:50

you like to see the UK closely

aligned to the Single Market and

0:21:500:21:56

customs union?

Let's be clear where

we are. First of all we have reached

0:21:560:22:01

first base successfully, we had a

difficult week last week but it

0:22:010:22:04

ended with triumph for the Prime

Minister and we can now advance

0:22:040:22:06

towards the second phase. My dispute

with all my colleagues who have

0:22:060:22:11

spoken on this programme so far is

that I think they are slightly

0:22:110:22:14

jumping the gun. The key is to get

into the negotiations, Canada plus

0:22:140:22:19

plus plus sounds to me like a very

good starting point for the British

0:22:190:22:23

negotiations. And at the end of the

day, of course we are going to have

0:22:230:22:26

to have a transition period,

otherwise...

Within the Single

0:22:260:22:30

Market and customs union?

A

transition period. We have to have

0:22:300:22:34

it otherwise businesses will not be

to plan and make the necessary

0:22:340:22:40

changes required. The key thing to

me is to let the negotiator who is

0:22:400:22:43

doing an extremely good job get on

with negotiating the best position

0:22:430:22:46

for Britain.

Is that David Davis?

Dawn Butler said he is not very

0:22:460:22:48

bright.

I would beg to differ.

It is

his own words.

He has a brain like a

0:22:480:22:55

steel trap, he is extremely bright,

let the negotiator get on with

0:22:550:22:58

negotiating the best deal for

Britain. That is not either a hard

0:22:580:23:02

or a soft Brexit, it's the best deal

for Britain, the whole of Britain,

0:23:020:23:06

that's what I want to see us advance

towards.

Do you see movement to

0:23:060:23:11

Phase 2 is a statement of intent and

not binding in any way?

The

0:23:110:23:14

principle outlined is binding

absolutely.

You disagree with

0:23:140:23:18

Bernard Jenkin that it's all up for

grabs?

Bernard is quite rightly

0:23:180:23:26

giving a technical appreciation but

what I'm saying is that when the

0:23:260:23:28

British government put up that point

which secured agreement across the

0:23:280:23:30

piece, that principle is certainly

binding.

Do you see the UK's future

0:23:300:23:35

relationship as one that will be

closely mirroring the European Union

0:23:350:23:39

in terms of rules and regulations?

I

see the primacy and absolute

0:23:390:23:43

importance of a free-trade deal as

overruling all of that. That by

0:23:430:23:48

definition means alignment to some

extent. At a free-trade deal is an

0:23:480:23:52

sooty essential for both of us.

What

in your mind, Dawn Butler, does easy

0:23:520:23:56

movement of people mean?

It means

that some people say you have signed

0:23:560:24:01

up to no movement, we're not signing

up to no movement, there has to be

0:24:010:24:04

movement.

The end to freedom of

movement is what the Labour

0:24:040:24:08

manifesto said. So what does Keir

Starmer mean when he says easy

0:24:080:24:11

movement?

Well, that is something

that he will then develop in terms

0:24:110:24:16

of detail.

So he hasn't thought

through what this is?

The question

0:24:160:24:21

he was answering was, are we saying

there was no movement? Keir Starmer

0:24:210:24:26

said there done that it's impossible

to say there is no movement because

0:24:260:24:29

we need movement of people in order

for our economy, we will need

0:24:290:24:33

movement of people but it won't look

exactly as it looks now. So, there

0:24:330:24:39

would be more stringent regimes

around it in terms of how people are

0:24:390:24:43

monitored in a doubt.

What about the

numbers, for example?

We do not talk

0:24:430:24:48

about caps and numbers. -- in and

out. To be honest it's a part of the

0:24:480:24:58

negotiation details if we were

around the negotiating table that we

0:24:580:25:01

could come back with more detail on.

That's the kind of question you

0:25:010:25:04

should be asking David Davis and the

government in terms of what their

0:25:040:25:07

plans are.

Do you see in the coming

months, Ian Blackford, that Labour

0:25:070:25:14

will move its position to saying we

should remain in this angle market

0:25:140:25:18

and customs union, and then the two

of you can forge a closer

0:25:180:25:20

relationship on Brexit?

Yes, that

has got to happen because it has to

0:25:200:25:24

be about protecting the interests of

our constituents.

Are you talking to

0:25:240:25:28

Labour at the moment?

I wrote to

Jeremy Corbyn yesterday and I'm

0:25:280:25:31

waiting for a reply and I said we

should meet. The fundamentals of

0:25:310:25:35

this is if we are in a situation

that everybody accepts there is

0:25:350:25:38

going to be alignment with the rules

of the EU, the situation we are in

0:25:380:25:42

today is they will be no border

between Northern Ireland and the

0:25:420:25:45

Republic. We know on the basis of

the intervention of the DUP there

0:25:450:25:48

will be no border between the island

of Ireland and the rest of the

0:25:480:25:52

United Kingdom. The only way you can

square this is by staying in this on

0:25:520:25:56

the market and customs union.

Die-hard Brexiteers have taken the

0:25:560:25:59

country up a blind alley and it

hasn't worked. They have to accept

0:25:590:26:04

that staying in the Single Market

and customs union is the only

0:26:040:26:07

logical way of resolving this.

Bernard Jenkin, final word. Will you

0:26:070:26:12

and do you store think Britain

should pay for its obligations that

0:26:120:26:15

it said it should honour even if you

do get the trade deal you like?

We

0:26:150:26:19

have no obligations. We would like

to offer the EU some money as a

0:26:190:26:22

goodwill gesture for leaving the

European Union midway during a

0:26:220:26:26

budget period and that is reasonable

enough. Two very quick points. There

0:26:260:26:30

was never going to be a hard border

between Northern Ireland and the

0:26:300:26:35

Republic.

That's not what the Irish

government thought.

If they wanted

0:26:350:26:38

to have one that would be up to them

but we would never have one. If they

0:26:380:26:42

wanted to put infrastructure there

that would be up to them and

0:26:420:26:44

actually it would never happen. It

was all a bluff and a nonsense. You

0:26:440:26:48

don't need to police the border at

the border in order to police the

0:26:480:26:52

border with technology these days.

The second thing about alignment.

0:26:520:26:56

Alignment is a yes no question.

Andrew is completely right. In any

0:26:560:27:00

free-trade deal there are degrees of

alignment. The point is under the

0:27:000:27:05

new arrangements when we leave the

EU, we will control what we choose

0:27:050:27:09

to align with the EU instead of

being dictated on what our

0:27:090:27:13

regulatory regime should be.

You say

that but at the moment it doesn't

0:27:130:27:16

sound like that.

That is your

opinion.

That's the opinion

0:27:160:27:19

expressed by many people, the term

was used.

You are obviously on their

0:27:190:27:25

side.

Whose side?

You said you agree

with them.

I said the view was

0:27:250:27:33

expressed. Bernard Jenkin, thank

you.

0:27:330:27:38

I should also say thank you to you,

Ian Blackford.

0:27:380:27:42

Now, Should the Bank of England be

moved from London to Birmingham?

0:27:420:27:45

The Shadow Chancellor John

McDonnell, seen here protesting

0:27:450:27:47

outside the Bank in London

earlier this year, has today

0:27:470:27:50

launched a report into what Labour

are calling Financing Investment.

0:27:500:27:52

The report recommends,

among other things,

0:27:520:27:53

that the the Old Lady

of Threadneedle Street,

0:27:530:27:55

as it's known, should

be moved from the City

0:27:550:27:58

to England's second city.

0:27:580:27:58

It claims the move would spread

investment across the country.

0:27:580:28:01

Mr McDonnell said the report drums

home the message that our financial

0:28:010:28:04

system isn't delivering enough

investment across

0:28:040:28:05

the whole country.

0:28:050:28:06

We're joined now by Graham Turner

from GFC Economics who has

0:28:060:28:09

authored today's report.

0:28:090:28:14

Welcome to the programme. Would this

be anything more than a symbolic

0:28:140:28:16

move? Moving functions to

Birmingham?

I do not see it as

0:28:160:28:23

tokenism, not a nod to devolution,

it's a very necessary move to

0:28:230:28:26

counter the big problems we have in

this country around economic policy,

0:28:260:28:30

huge regional imbalances, financial

system geared far too much towards

0:28:300:28:35

speculative lending, manufacturing

lending has gone down dramatically

0:28:350:28:38

in recent years and we have got to

have a complete rethink about how

0:28:380:28:42

economic policy is structured in

this country.

That maybe so but how

0:28:420:28:45

does moving certain functions at the

Bank of England deliver that?

We

0:28:450:28:49

have said clearly it's not just

about moving that, it's about the

0:28:490:28:56

mandate, the two side by side.

What

with the mandate the?

We have not

0:28:560:28:59

said what the mandate would be, this

report is over 200 pages long and

0:28:590:29:03

this will be in our next report. On

the question of real -- relocation,

0:29:030:29:13

we are looking at global hubs,

London is one of them and it has a

0:29:130:29:17

detrimental impact on other cities

in the country. We can see it in the

0:29:170:29:21

West and other countries. That's

because technology is gravitating

0:29:210:29:23

towards finance. You have to move

some functions of finance in order

0:29:230:29:28

for technology to be disbursed more

evenly.

How would that deliver

0:29:280:29:31

regional equality in terms of

investment?

We need faster growing

0:29:310:29:35

hubs in sectors that pay better --

jobs. It's not just fine as that

0:29:350:29:40

pays welcome information,

communication, professional and

0:29:400:29:41

scientific technology services. If

you move the control of finance away

0:29:410:29:46

from the City of London you will not

damage the City of London's outward

0:29:460:29:51

look to the rest of the world. I

think it would strengthen it. You

0:29:510:29:55

would say to the Bank of England,

you've got to look at rebalancing

0:29:550:29:58

this country because it is damaging

the whole of this country that we

0:29:580:30:00

have one city where it is or

becoming too expensive to do

0:30:000:30:03

business.

In terms of relocation,

what specific functions are you

0:30:030:30:09

talking about?

We have not said the

specific functions, and again we

0:30:090:30:12

hope this could be in the follow-up

report. What we have said this

0:30:120:30:15

morning is that one has got to

imagine we would be looking in the

0:30:150:30:18

realm of some domestic banking

functions. Can I just say that when

0:30:180:30:22

we look at the Monetary Policy

Committee, an important part of the

0:30:220:30:26

Bank of England, ask yourself the

question, how many of these fine

0:30:260:30:29

individuals who have been on the MPC

in the last few years have come from

0:30:290:30:32

institutions outside of the Golden

Triangle? Nobody from Scotland,

0:30:320:30:36

Wales, I'm talking of the

institution, nobody from Northern

0:30:360:30:39

Ireland, so you get a bias towards

London.

Do you agree, this is part

0:30:390:30:43

of the world that isn't so far from

you, there was a relocation?

I

0:30:430:30:48

represent the town of royal Sutton

Coldfield up against the walls of

0:30:480:30:51

Birmingham and I'm always pleased to

see the investment coming to

0:30:510:30:53

Birmingham. I thought the Bank of

England did have a specific office

0:30:530:30:56

in Birmingham. It certainly did a

few years ago.

But would you support

0:30:560:31:01

more functions being moved on the

basis of what Graham is saying, that

0:31:010:31:05

it would somehow tilt the

institution bias away from London?

0:31:050:31:11

He hasn't put any flesh on the bones

of what this would mean, but in

0:31:110:31:15

terms of regional policy, I think

what he says goes with the grain of

0:31:150:31:19

a lot of what the Government is

doing. We now have for the first

0:31:190:31:23

time a really effective and very

strong Mayor in the West Midlands,

0:31:230:31:28

Andy Street.

A conservative.

A

Mayor, it is a new structure. He is

0:31:280:31:33

galvanising the region's economic

future. In terms of getting

0:31:330:31:40

policy-making out of London, that is

something the Government is doing,

0:31:400:31:43

and it seems to me that this isn't a

million miles away.

It is quite

0:31:430:31:50

different. I am not against

devolution, but control of economic

0:31:500:31:56

policy, having lending and interest

rate decisions based around the

0:31:560:32:00

needs of the whole country, that's

what I'm talking about.

I'm not sure

0:32:000:32:04

that being in Birmingham does that.

It does make a difference, and that

0:32:040:32:12

is why London does well. If you put

an institution in one place

0:32:120:32:17

physically,... Clusters become self

feeding, which is what all the

0:32:170:32:23

research says. We need to break that

tendency towards ever more

0:32:230:32:27

concentration of economic power in

cities.

In the growth of the Nando's

0:32:270:32:33

services in Britain's second city,

and HSBC have their UK headquarters

0:32:330:32:39

in Birmingham, so in terms of a

power shift, moving jobs and

0:32:390:32:44

services throughout the country,

burning is already ahead on that.

On

0:32:440:32:48

decisions like interest rates, are

you saying that relocating functions

0:32:480:32:54

to Birmingham might influence or

change the way the Bank of England

0:32:540:32:57

makes decisions?

We are saying it

needs to change the way it looks at

0:32:570:33:01

decisions around the whole economy.

Which decisions would be different

0:33:010:33:05

if they were in Birmingham?

We have

an incredible focus on speculative

0:33:050:33:11

lending. Financial stability ports

are all about capitalising the bank.

0:33:110:33:16

There is very little about the fact

that we run this huge deficit in

0:33:160:33:20

manufacturing, what it means in

terms of wages, consumer credit, so

0:33:200:33:26

we need a wider discussion about

financial stability. It is not just

0:33:260:33:31

about the banks having enough

capital. The Bank of England is

0:33:310:33:35

still fighting the battle of ten

years ago. They didn't see what was

0:33:350:33:39

coming with the financial crisis, so

it is busy trying to repair the

0:33:390:33:43

mistakes of ten years ago. We are

seeing an impact of technology on

0:33:430:33:53

wages, on automation. We need to

support manufacturing and high-value

0:33:530:33:57

services.

Argue worried about

automation?

No, but I am worried

0:33:570:34:01

about whether UK is. There are

countries that are ahead of us,

0:34:010:34:06

including the US. We are falling

well behind.

Does Labour accept this

0:34:060:34:12

recommendation from Graham Turner?

In the round, yes. It means

0:34:120:34:16

investing in a new generation, in

productive industries. I completely

0:34:160:34:22

understand it. You are building an

environment where more people want

0:34:220:34:27

to feed into it, so more people will

go to university or learn the

0:34:270:34:33

financial industry. When you move

something somewhere else, you will

0:34:330:34:37

build a movement around that so I

completely understand that.

Has the

0:34:370:34:45

Northern Power has delivered what

the Government set out?

We said in

0:34:450:34:50

our report that just building train

lines, great, but the danger is that

0:34:500:34:56

you just create long-distance

commuters. That does not create

0:34:560:35:00

clusters. We want knowledge

capitals.

I think that is how we

0:35:000:35:06

will improve our standing in the

rest of the world.

Have you been

0:35:060:35:10

disappointed with the lack of proper

funding behind the Northern

0:35:100:35:13

Powerhouse?

No, I think the Northern

Powerhouse, which was dreamt up by

0:35:130:35:21

the Coalition Government, has made a

big contribution. We're making good

0:35:210:35:24

progress in the Midlands in the way

that I described, through having

0:35:240:35:28

this outstandingly good Mayor.

Think

you for joining us.

0:35:280:35:33

Now, Christmas might be approaching,

but that doesn't mean MPs

0:35:330:35:35

are taking their foot off

the gas just yet.

0:35:350:35:37

And it's another busy week

in Westminster and beyond.

0:35:370:35:39

Tomorrow, the Prime Minister will be

in Paris attending climate change

0:35:390:35:42

talks with around 50 world leaders.

0:35:420:35:43

The One Plant Summit aims to boost

political and economic support

0:35:430:35:46

for meeting the goals set out

in the Paris agreement

0:35:460:35:48

two years ago.

0:35:480:35:50

Meanwhile, MPs will once

again be focussing

0:35:500:35:52

on the European Union Withdrawal

Bill.

0:35:520:35:53

MPs will debate an amendment tabled

by former Attorney General Dominic

0:35:530:35:56

Grieve which says the promise

of a "meaningful vote"

0:35:560:35:58

for Parliament on any Brexit deal

should be enshrined in law.

0:35:580:36:05

On Wednesday, Theresa May

and Jeremy Corbyn will face each

0:36:050:36:07

other in the House of Commons

at Prime Minister's Questions and )

0:36:070:36:11

On Thursday it's the start of the EU

leaders' Summit which will decide

0:36:110:36:15

whether sufficient progress has been

made in the negotiations

0:36:150:36:17

has been achieved.

0:36:170:36:20

Theresa May will be informed

whether or not trade

0:36:200:36:22

and transition talks can begin.

0:36:220:36:26

For more on this, I'm joined

by the Telegraph's Kate McCann

0:36:260:36:28

and Politico's Jack Blanchard.

0:36:280:36:35

Welcome to both of you. Kate McCann,

first, it is a busy week, and there

0:36:350:36:39

has been some expectation that it

will be difficult to keep everyone

0:36:390:36:42

on board before the deal is

rubber-stamped on Friday. Where do

0:36:420:36:47

you think the areas of concern would

be for the Government?

I think we

0:36:470:36:51

will see where those areas of

concern are over the course of

0:36:510:36:55

today, because Theresa May is

chairing her cabinet meeting this

0:36:550:36:58

morning. There have been

conversations over the weekend about

0:36:580:37:03

concern, particularly David Davies

yesterday about the Northern Ireland

0:37:030:37:08

aspect of the agreement made last

week, and then we will see her face

0:37:080:37:11

MPs in the House of Commons later. I

would be surprised if there weren't

0:37:110:37:15

some interventions from her own

backbenchers on what the deal struck

0:37:150:37:20

with the EU means, on Northern

Ireland and other issues. And then

0:37:200:37:23

we will come to the trade talks.

That is what the Government is

0:37:230:37:27

hoping for. And that will open a new

can of worms about exactly what type

0:37:270:37:30

of trade deal the EU wants -- the UK

wants with the EU, and trade deals

0:37:300:37:40

around the world.

There has been

talk of not wanting to stay closely

0:37:400:37:47

tied to the EU but keeping

regulatory alignment - what do you

0:37:470:37:51

make about?

It sounds incredibly

boring, but it's actually really

0:37:510:37:56

important, this stuff.

For that!

We

have these terms that we are getting

0:37:560:38:02

to grips with. It is about what sort

of country Britain is going to be in

0:38:020:38:06

the future, how much it is aligned

with rules and regulations from

0:38:060:38:10

Europe and how much we go our own

way. It is a huge debate raging in

0:38:100:38:14

Government, and it has been for a

few weeks. It is about to explode

0:38:140:38:17

onto the surface in the Cabinet,

which is very divided on this. It is

0:38:170:38:22

long-term future of the nation

stuff, so people like Bernard Jenkin

0:38:220:38:26

are very much trying to push Theresa

May in a certain direction where

0:38:260:38:31

Britain will get a clean break go

off into the world and have its own

0:38:310:38:35

rules and leg relations about all of

things. -- rules and regulations. It

0:38:350:38:42

is a hugely important issue, but no

one has really started to debate or

0:38:420:38:46

they are only just starting now, and

I think they will hear a lot about

0:38:460:38:51

these long boring terms about

regulatory alignment over the next

0:38:510:38:54

few months. We had better get used

them. In terms of the statement of

0:38:540:38:59

intent, David Davies himself seemed

to cast doubt on how binding the

0:38:590:39:03

agreement actually was, this idea

that nothing is agreed until

0:39:030:39:07

everything is agreed. Does that make

it more difficult to keep everyone

0:39:070:39:11

together until Friday?

I think we

will see the Prime Minister that

0:39:110:39:14

again today, and there is a reason

for that. It is exactly as you say,

0:39:140:39:20

that they want to be able to give

themselves enough leeway because

0:39:200:39:23

they know the divisions on these

issues, as Jack just said, are so

0:39:230:39:27

huge that it is impossible to tie

them down. What we saw with the DUP

0:39:270:39:32

last week I think they will see

again. The issue was pushed and

0:39:320:39:35

pushed until the last minute, when

people really kicked off about it,

0:39:350:39:39

but in quite a short space of time,

because there is a deadline for

0:39:390:39:42

agreement, it is not then the Prime

Minister's interest to open it up

0:39:420:39:49

and talk about it early, because

that exposes these huge chasms of

0:39:490:39:53

opinion earlier. It will be

difficult to bridge those. You will

0:39:530:40:00

see Theresa May try to keep it as

open as she can, and that is what

0:40:000:40:03

David Davies was doing over the

weekend, though it looks like he

0:40:030:40:06

went too far, because as soon as you

say it is really open, the Irish

0:40:060:40:10

Government says, that is not what we

want to hear and is problematic.

0:40:100:40:14

They are trying a balancing act of

keeping everyone in the boat without

0:40:140:40:18

too tipping -- tipping too far one

way because they will have to pull

0:40:180:40:22

people back over the site.

David

Davis this morning very much

0:40:220:40:28

backtracking on how far he went on

the Andrew Marr Show yesterday. This

0:40:280:40:35

still hasn't been signed off. The

European Commission have agreed it

0:40:350:40:39

but Theresa May has this summit on

Thursday when the other 27 countries

0:40:390:40:43

have to sign it. For her to say that

it is not worth the paper it is

0:40:430:40:49

written on is not really a smart

tactic.

Damian Green and his future

0:40:490:40:53

- why haven't we heard anything more

about that since the investigation

0:40:530:40:58

has been ongoing and the report has

been added to Theresa May?

Is when

0:40:580:41:03

we get towards Christmas, the

question will get bigger. As you

0:41:030:41:11

say, we know she has been given an

update on the progress, and we know

0:41:110:41:14

that most people who were involved

in the investigation have so far

0:41:140:41:20

given their evidence, and therefore,

we should see a conclusion of that

0:41:200:41:23

investigation soon, if not already.

Over the course of this week,

0:41:230:41:28

Theresa May will want her Government

to focus on Brexit and probably

0:41:280:41:30

won't want to have to talk about

Damian Green.

It is taking such a

0:41:300:41:37

long time. It is supposed to be

independent, not up to the Prime

0:41:370:41:43

Minister when it comes back. There

is another enquiry into a Mark

0:41:430:41:50

Garnier. Questions will mount.

Andrew Mitchell, a couple of points

0:41:500:41:57

- Damian Green - do you think there

needs to be a decision made before

0:41:570:42:02

Christmas?

I am sure there will be a

decision. I think he is doing a very

0:42:020:42:10

good job as effectively the Deputy

Prime Minister and I hope he will

0:42:100:42:13

continue.

He has had an

investigation into him. Theresa May

0:42:130:42:21

said there must be zero tolerance of

sexual harassment in Parliament, and

0:42:210:42:26

Michael Fallon resigned because he

said his behaviour was below the

0:42:260:42:31

expected standards, so what should

happen in terms of Damian Green?

I

0:42:310:42:35

have seen no evidence at all of

harassment by Damian Green, but

0:42:350:42:39

there has been an investigation. I

can't second-guess that. As I say, I

0:42:390:42:45

think he's a very good minister and

I'm sure he will survive.

Let's turn

0:42:450:42:50

to the withdrawal bill. Dominic

grieve's Amendment, your collar,

0:42:500:42:54

which would force a truly meaningful

vote on the final EU deal, meaning

0:42:540:42:59

that MPs like yourselves would have

the chance to send Theresa May back

0:42:590:43:03

to Brussels, would you support it?

We will see what happens in the

0:43:030:43:07

debate, but I am certain the

Government will want to agree to a

0:43:070:43:10

meaningful vote. I think we will

have to see how the amendment goes.

0:43:100:43:15

I will be surprised if the

Government resisted that amendment.

0:43:150:43:18

You think they will give way?

I

think it is a sensible amendment,

0:43:180:43:23

and Dominic grieve has already

improved the bill quite

0:43:230:43:26

significantly. I think the

Government will listen to what

0:43:260:43:29

Dominic has to say.

You would be

prepared to vote for it that the

0:43:290:43:32

Government doesn't come from ice?

Lets see where we get to, but I

0:43:320:43:36

think it is a sensible amendment.

We

had an opposition day debate where

0:43:360:43:42

we put that question on the floor of

the House, and it went through.

That

0:43:420:43:45

is different from putting it on the

face of the bill.

But the will of

0:43:450:43:50

the House has been made clear.

I

think it is sensible that the House

0:43:500:43:54

should have a meaningful vote, and I

don't think the Government will want

0:43:540:43:57

to resist that.

0:43:570:44:08

A couple of weeks ago,

we took a look at the people in key

0:44:120:44:16

positions behind the scenes

in Downing Street.

0:44:160:44:17

But what about that other SW1 power

base, Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party?

0:44:170:44:20

Here's Emma Vardy with the latest

instalment of our occasional series

0:44:200:44:23

Westminster Village.

0:44:230:44:24

Jeremy Corbyn spent years

as a backbencher looking

0:44:240:44:26

at Parliamentary offices not much

bigger than a

0:44:260:44:28

cupboard.

0:44:280:44:29

But now he and his top team

have a whole floor to

0:44:290:44:32

themselves.

0:44:320:44:33

It's even got a nice balcony.

0:44:330:44:34

The executive director

of the leader's office is Karie

0:44:340:44:36

Murphy.

0:44:360:44:37

She used to work for

the deputy leader Tom Watson.

0:44:370:44:44

And we thought we'd

dig this out of the

0:44:440:44:46

archives one more time.

0:44:460:44:47

Her reaction to our mood box testing

opinion on the Shadow Cabinet.

0:44:470:44:50

This is a stunt by

ill informed people.

0:44:500:44:52

Nice to meet you too.

0:44:520:44:53

And meet a man known

as Jeremy Corbyn's brain.

0:44:530:44:55

We don't talk about economic rights

0:44:550:44:57

and I think people

need economic rights.

0:44:570:44:59

Andrew Fisher used to take

to the stage himself, like at this

0:44:590:45:01

trade union event.

0:45:010:45:02

But he's now more of

a behind-the-scenes guy working

0:45:020:45:05

as Corbyn's head of policy.

0:45:050:45:06

Didn't Thatcher promise us this?

0:45:060:45:08

Seamus Milne is a top spin

doctor and rumoured to be

0:45:080:45:11

the man who got JC to

smarten up his image.

0:45:110:45:13

He's a former Guardian journalist

and now trusted close

0:45:130:45:15

aide.

0:45:150:45:19

The MPs are incredibly

out of touch, I think.

0:45:190:45:21

That's why we've seen

these shocks in politics.

0:45:210:45:24

Seen here on the day

of the EU referendum

0:45:240:45:26

result, James Schneider looks

after strategy in the comms team.

0:45:260:45:30

He's an ex-Lib Dem and

Greens supporter and

0:45:300:45:33

was previously on our screens

representing the pro-Corbyn

0:45:330:45:36

grassroots organisation Momentum.

0:45:360:45:40

Politics has changed.

0:45:400:45:42

We are in this sort

of national crisis period.

0:45:420:45:44

Corbyn's inner circle also

includes Amy Jackson,

0:45:440:45:46

political secretary,

and

0:45:460:45:48

former MP Katy Clark,

who is looking into

0:45:480:45:50

potentially big changes

that

0:45:500:45:52

will give Labour Party

members more power.

0:45:520:45:57

And after his recent shoot with GQ

magazine, the editor later

0:45:570:46:05

said Corbyn's entourage pushed him

about like a grandad.

0:46:050:46:07

The actual shoot itself

was quite torturous.

0:46:070:46:09

It was as difficult as shooting any

Hollywood celebrity.

0:46:090:46:11

Really?

0:46:110:46:12

It's not all fun and celebrity

appearances, you know?

0:46:120:46:15

This is where the party

machine operates from.

0:46:150:46:17

Labour HQ in the heart

of Westminster.

0:46:170:46:22

Iain McNicol is the General

Secretary of the Labour

0:46:220:46:25

Party, its organisational chief.

0:46:250:46:26

The other key figures

in the Corbyn camp

0:46:260:46:28

are his family.

0:46:280:46:38

As we learned in this

fly-on-the-wall Vice

0:46:390:46:42

documentary, he married his Mexican

wife Laura Alvarez in 2013, after

0:46:420:46:44

they had a long-distance

relationship when she was working in

0:46:440:46:47

banking back home.

0:46:470:46:49

And here's Seb Corbyn,

Jeremy's second son.

0:46:490:46:52

After working on his dad's election

campaign in 2015, Seb was appointed

0:46:520:46:55

Shadow Chancellor John

McDonnell's Chief of Staff.

0:46:550:47:02

And these days, behind-the-scenes,

I can also reveal

0:47:020:47:05

that Corbyn has a personal dresser,

his own Bentley driver, a private

0:47:050:47:07

butler...

0:47:070:47:09

Not really, this was his spoof

appearance on The Last Leg

0:47:090:47:12

comedy programme, of course.

0:47:120:47:18

You're more likely

to see him like this.

0:47:180:47:20

Good morning.

0:47:200:47:21

Nice to see you all,

thank you so much for coming.

0:47:210:47:24

Jeremy Corbyn back in normal attire

and back on his bike.

0:47:310:47:34

I'm now joined by Kevin

Maguire, associate editor

0:47:340:47:36

of the Daily Mirror.

0:47:360:47:37

Welcome to The Daily Politics. How

has the operation changed at Labour

0:47:370:47:41

since the general election?

I think

it has continued since the general

0:47:410:47:44

election, they are fine tuning it,

but the big changes were when he

0:47:440:47:48

first became leader and people came

in and he wasn't quite sure where he

0:47:480:47:51

wanted to go, there was a lot of

discord. Then he seemed to sort it

0:47:510:47:54

out after that attempt to topple him

and he went into the election and

0:47:540:47:58

did far better than even he thought,

now he can just feel some authority

0:47:580:48:02

and competence around that team. The

crucial player is Karie Murphy, the

0:48:020:48:09

chief of staff, who is kind of a

good friend bad enemy but she gets

0:48:090:48:12

things done and that's really

important.

So who else does Jeremy

0:48:120:48:16

Corbyn really listen to? Karie

Murphy and Seamus Milne.

The thin

0:48:160:48:25

controller, he was at the Guardian.

He's hugely intellectual and knows

0:48:250:48:29

what he is coming from politically

and ideologically and he is

0:48:290:48:32

physically capable of shouting --

incapable of shouting. Is very calm.

0:48:320:48:37

But is the big political influence

behind Jeremy Corbyn?

There are many

0:48:370:48:43

political influences, there are

people like Dawn, Diane Abbott, John

0:48:430:48:46

McDonnell, they have a lot of

influence. Len McCluskey from the

0:48:460:48:51

trade unions. But in the office

Seamus Milne is more than a spin

0:48:510:48:55

doctor. He does have a role on

strategy and that's not to say there

0:48:550:48:58

are not disagreements within the

team. But they seem relatively

0:48:580:49:01

harmonious, and more so than I

believe Ed Miliband's team, a really

0:49:010:49:06

bright team, but there seems to be

too much competition in turn of the.

0:49:060:49:09

So there is a sort of sense of

purpose, unity in terms of sense of

0:49:090:49:13

purpose. Will it strike people as

odd that quite a few of his advisers

0:49:130:49:21

are public school educated and even

from the same school, Winchester?

It

0:49:210:49:24

is clearly a very popular school in

the Jeremy Corbyn office. James

0:49:240:49:26

Schneider is a Bollinger Bolshevik,

Seamus Milne himself... It is a bit

0:49:260:49:30

odd. I agree. I suspect the working

class, the cloth cap, the whippet on

0:49:300:49:39

a bit of string comes in the Labour

Party chair who is a former coal

0:49:390:49:44

miner. It is a bit strange but

left-wing politics, like right-wing

0:49:440:49:48

politics, are often dominated at the

top by people from private schools.

0:49:480:49:52

The Conservative Party has never

been short of them itself, has it?

0:49:520:49:57

No, indeed. Turn into the grassroots

organisation Momentum which backed

0:49:570:50:02

Jeremy Corbyn. How important is it

in terms of the day-to-day running

0:50:020:50:04

of his office?

Day-to-day running of

his office, not that important, but

0:50:040:50:09

in terms of organising around the

conference, there will be selections

0:50:090:50:15

of councillors, candidates and

parliamentary elections, although I

0:50:150:50:18

think it's massively overstated in

terms of deselection. It is then

0:50:180:50:22

very important. The one thing Jeremy

Corbyn has that Ed Miliband didn't

0:50:220:50:26

is a social movement, he has people

joining who will do a lot of the

0:50:260:50:29

heavy lifting, the leaflet

delivering, going along to meetings

0:50:290:50:33

in constituencies.

In fact, the

founder of that organisation, Jon

0:50:330:50:36

Lansman, what's the relationship

between -- what is the relationship

0:50:360:50:40

between him and Jeremy Corbyn.

Very

close, that's not to say there is

0:50:400:50:44

not friction between Corbyn's office

and Jeremy Landsman who has one foot

0:50:440:50:48

in a one foot out.

Jon Lansman.

You

have conflated them. Jon Lansman in

0:50:480:50:55

the 80s was a very sectarian figure.

I believe listening and watching and

0:50:550:51:01

talking to people around him now he

is a lot less sectarian and he will

0:51:010:51:05

now reach out. There is a lot of MPs

who don't like him, they dislike him

0:51:050:51:09

because their parties have a lot of

new people coming in, they don't

0:51:090:51:12

know who they are, they are being

challenged in ways they were not

0:51:120:51:16

used to. But Momentum is on the

1980s.

He said it is worse.

It is

0:51:160:51:27

nonsense. I remember the 80s, I've

got grey hair, I remember them at

0:51:270:51:31

the time. Momentum is very

different. Most people in Momentum

0:51:310:51:35

seem to be quite young and

idealistic.

What about the impact on

0:51:350:51:39

voters? There isn't anything sort of

materially different for the public

0:51:390:51:43

in terms of the changes at the top,

except if we take your word that

0:51:430:51:47

actually there is more unity. That,

of course, the public might notice.

0:51:470:51:52

They might also notice the

manifesto, for instance, which

0:51:520:51:55

Andrew Bishop, featured there, who

some MPs wanted kicked out of the

0:51:550:52:00

party over sin tweets he said before

the 2015 election which would the

0:52:000:52:04

rocketry about some -- which were

derogatory about some Labour MPs. --

0:52:040:52:13

some tweets. They spend months, and

years developing the manifesto.

0:52:130:52:24

Those mass rallies that get a lot of

publicity, they don't happen on

0:52:240:52:27

their own, some he has to organise

it, somebody has to think about it,

0:52:270:52:30

Summer Rae has to get in there.

How

much influence do you have on

0:52:300:52:34

day-to-day running at how close are

you to Jeremy Corbyn?

Not day-to-day

0:52:340:52:37

because there are lots of things I

have to do in my role. But the times

0:52:370:52:41

that I'm there in Jeremy's office

and working with the team, they are

0:52:410:52:49

phenomenal as a group of people.

Do

you contribute?

Occasionally, if I

0:52:490:52:56

have something to contribute of

course they will listen. That's the

0:52:560:52:59

thing about the teams, everybody

listens, even if there is

0:52:590:53:03

disagreement, you listen and talk it

through and come out at the end of

0:53:030:53:06

it all in agreement. The reason why

Andrew was able to produce such

0:53:060:53:09

fantastic manifesto in three weeks

was because it was the Court of the

0:53:090:53:13

Labour Party's believes what's

amazing -- it was the core of the

0:53:130:53:19

Labour Party.

Does Jeremy Corbyn

agree wholeheartedly with Kier

0:53:190:53:22

Starmer on the direction in terms of

Britain's relationship to the EU?

Of

0:53:220:53:27

course. Kier Starmer, as I said, he

is a guy of detail and has gone

0:53:270:53:32

through every detail. Jack was right

it becomes laborious and boring

0:53:320:53:35

talking about all of this and you

need somebody who will go through

0:53:350:53:38

the detail and embrace the detail

and say this is where we need to be

0:53:380:53:43

in our negotiating positions.

That

is why I asked if they are on the

0:53:430:53:46

same page.

I don't think they are.

Keir Starmer has been trying to pull

0:53:460:53:50

the Labour leadership towards a more

pro-EU position for sometime around

0:53:500:53:54

the Single Market and customs union.

It is a work in progress albeit

0:53:540:53:59

there are divisions quite clearly.

What about the divisions in Cabinet?

0:53:590:54:02

How will that happen with the future

negotiations?

There is a form to

0:54:020:54:07

these things, there is a Cabinet

discussion pending on what stage two

0:54:070:54:11

of the important negotiations looks

like. That's about more than just

0:54:110:54:15

the EU, it's about global Britain,

what is global Britain mean. There

0:54:150:54:19

is not a lot of flesh on the bones

at the moment. The way these things

0:54:190:54:23

happen is the Cabinet will discuss

it and the Prime Minister will make

0:54:230:54:26

a decision and in collective

responsibility binds everyone in. I

0:54:260:54:30

am certain the Conservative Party,

the government, will require a

0:54:300:54:37

collective responsibility to be

exerted when that moment comes.

You

0:54:370:54:39

don't expect any more briefings?

I

think they will decide to let the

0:54:390:54:41

negotiated to get on with doing the

negotiations and will back him.

0:54:410:54:44

Kevin Maguire, thank you.

0:54:440:54:51

Last night saw an unusual thing

happening, a conservative winning

0:54:510:54:55

the vote of the youth.

The new Queen

of the Jungle.

Georgia Toffolo of

0:54:550:55:03

made in Chelsea fame was crowned the

new Queen of the jungle in a tense

0:55:030:55:07

but dumber final of ITV's I'm a

Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here!. But

0:55:070:55:12

she was not the only conservative

leaning public figure to win a vote

0:55:120:55:15

recently. New Conservative MP Ben

Bradlee snatched victory in the

0:55:150:55:18

coveted beard of the year contest,

dethroning Jeremy Corbyn for the

0:55:180:55:22

first time in years and becoming the

first ever Conservative MP to win

0:55:220:55:26

the competition in the process. Here

he is talking about his historic

0:55:260:55:29

victory.

0:55:290:55:31

I've heard the big

news that apparently

0:55:310:55:32

I have been successful

in

0:55:320:55:38

my campaign to be

Parliamentary Beard of The Year.

0:55:380:55:40

Now, obviously this

is pretty exciting.

0:55:400:55:41

I am flushed with emotion.

0:55:410:55:43

Flushed.

0:55:430:55:43

And I need to immediately

thank everybody

0:55:430:55:45

who has supported and voted for me.

0:55:450:55:47

It was like general election

night all over again.

0:55:470:55:51

He is genuinely thrilled. Is the

tide turning for Conservatives and

0:55:510:55:56

the youth vote?

0:55:560:56:01

You can perhaps sense my tongue is

ever so slightly in my cheek here.

0:56:010:56:04

But to discuss this I'm joined

by Joe Twyman of YouGov.

0:56:040:56:07

What do you think? Has the tide

turned?

It's easy to over interpret

0:56:070:56:09

some of the things we see on TV.

Toff did when and she was a

0:56:090:56:20

conservative but the important thing

is she is a reality TV star. If you

0:56:200:56:24

look at the results of I'm a celeb

to me out of here the winners have

0:56:240:56:28

been reality TV stars, essentially

people used to playing the role of a

0:56:280:56:32

normal person on TV. When you

compare her to the actual

0:56:320:56:36

politicians, Kezia Dugdale and

Stanley Johnson, you see that they

0:56:360:56:40

really don't do very well at all.

Neither of them made it into the

0:56:400:56:43

final five. And also, do we know

that the people voting for her were

0:56:430:56:49

necessarily young people? I don't

know much about the voting for it

0:56:490:56:53

but I would imagine that the more

accurate data we have around two

0:56:530:56:57

thirds of new entrants into the

electorate, for instance, voting

0:56:570:57:01

Labour suggests the Conservatives

still have some way to go.

The

0:57:010:57:05

politics is really incidental?

I

would say when it comes to reality

0:57:050:57:10

TV, politics is one thing and the

ability to eat an animal's genitals

0:57:100:57:14

is perhaps far more important. I'm

not suggesting that if Theresa May

0:57:140:57:19

or Jeremy Corbyn were to eat animal

genitals they necessarily would

0:57:190:57:23

increase their popularity, even if

it was televised. But we really

0:57:230:57:25

don't know.

Thank you for that focus

just before lunchtime on that issue,

0:57:250:57:31

it turned my stomach somewhat. Are

there any other areas in which young

0:57:310:57:35

Conservatives, if that is the way

they are voting, are either

0:57:350:57:39

supporting or performing better in

these sorts of competitions?

What I

0:57:390:57:43

think is really interesting, talking

seriously now, is the fact we are

0:57:430:57:47

seeing celebrities. My senses we are

seeing celebrities more open about

0:57:470:57:50

their political allegiances, indeed

either side. If you look back to the

0:57:500:57:55

EU referendum it was difficult to

find a younger celebrity, 70 under

0:57:550:57:59

the age of 30, who would be drawn on

whether they were Remain or Leave.

0:57:590:58:06

Generally speaking most were keeping

quiet. -- certainly under the age of

0:58:060:58:11

30. We have seen more people engaged

in the political process and that is

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reflected in celebrities.

Thank you

very much.

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There's just time before we go

to find out the answer to our quiz.

0:58:170:58:20

Do you remember the question you

two?

0:58:200:58:23

Over the weekend Theresa May

decorate a Christmas tree

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in her church in her constituency.

0:58:250:58:27

So, the question for today

was, what did she put

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on the top of the tree?

0:58:290:58:31

Was it a) A gold star b) An angel c)

A silver shoe or d) A bauble

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with of Jean-Claude

Juncker face on it.

0:58:350:58:37

I reckon she has thrown a few shoes

in this negotiation process.

I think

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we are agreed. I think that the

bauble...

It was not the bauble.

It

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would have looked very good but I

think it was the shoe which wins it.

0:58:450:58:49

You are right, it was heels all

around at the top of the tree, well

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done. You can have the bauble with

Jean-Claude Juncker's face on it

0:58:530:58:56

instead. Thank you to our guests

Dawn and Andrew and I will be back

0:58:560:59:00

tomorrow at noon. Goodbye.

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