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Hello and welcome to
the Daily Politics. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
Theresa May secures a breakthrough
in Brexit, after striking | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
a last-minute deal with the EU
to move talks on to the next phase. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:50 | |
Getting to this point has required
give and take on both sides, | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
and I believe that the joint report
being published is in the best | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
interests of the whole of the UK. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
I very much welcome the prospect
of moving ahead to the next phase. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
Brussels describes the deal
as a "personal victory" | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
for the Prime Minister. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
She admits she's had a hard week
after earlier attempts at reaching | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
agreement collapsed. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
There's been progress
on major sticking points | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
including the Irish border -
but if you thought that was | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
difficult, negotiators will now move
onto the even trickier business | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
of trying to agree
a post-Brexit trade deal. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:28 | |
All that in the next hour -
and with me for all of it, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
two journalists with views on Brexit
about as wide as | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
the English Channel. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
It's the Guardian's Polly Toynbee,
and Camilla Tominey | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
from the Sunday Express. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
Perhaps we can build
a few bridges today - | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
or even a Channel Tunnel. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
So, Theresa May landed in Brussels
shortly before 6am this morning | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
to finalise a new draft agreement
between Britain and the EU, | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
having negotiated by phone
into the early hours with key | 0:02:00 | 0:02:05 | |
players including the leader
of Northern Ireland's | 0:02:05 | 0:02:06 | |
Democratic Unionist Party,
Arlene Foster. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
At a joint press conference
with the Prime Minister this | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
morning, European Commission
President Jean-Claude Juncker said | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
he is satisfied that the fabled
"sufficient progress" has now been | 0:02:15 | 0:02:23 | |
made, meaning talks
can move on to trade | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
and transition in the new year. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
Barring any last-minute upsets -
and who in all of this | 0:02:27 | 0:02:33 | |
would entirely rule one out? | 0:02:33 | 0:02:34 | |
- the deal should be signed off
at next week's meeting | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
of European leaders. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
We've been working extremely hard
this week and, as you've all seen, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
it hasn't been easy for either side. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
When we met on Monday,
we said a deal was within reach. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
What we have arrived at today
represents a significant improvement | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
and I'm grateful to the negotiating
teams, led by David Davis and Michel | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
Barnier, for their efforts. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
Getting to this point has required
give and take on both sides | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
and I believe that the joint report
being published is in the best | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
interests of the UK. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:09 | |
I very much welcome the prospect
of moving ahead to the next phase | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
to talk about trade and security
and to discuss the positive | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
and ambitious future relationship
that is in all of our interests. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
On the basis of the mandate
which was given to me | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
by the European Council,
the commission has just formally | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
decided to recommend
to the European Council that | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
sufficient progress has now
been made on the strict | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
terms of the divorce. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
While being satisfied
with today's agreement, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:42 | |
which is obviously the personal
success of Prime Minister Theresa | 0:03:42 | 0:03:47 | |
May, let us remember that the most
difficult challenge is still ahead. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:52 | |
We all know that breaking up is hard
but breaking up and building | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
a new relation is much harder. | 0:03:55 | 0:04:05 | |
Camilla, can Theresa May rightly
claim personal success for this? | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
Well, they say a week is a long time
in politics and if you compare where | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
she is now to where she was at least
48 hours ago, where I think senior | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
Brexiteers were ready to perhaps be
a little bit more disloyal than they | 0:04:21 | 0:04:27 | |
have been, being very vehement about
the fact she might have been rolling | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
over and it was going on the wrong
direction, you had Jacob Rees-Mogg | 0:04:29 | 0:04:34 | |
talking about the pain killing of
her red lines and Peter Bone making | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
a joke about did she need him to
accompany her out there to secure | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
the negotiations, and the DUP
looking to secure a better future in | 0:04:42 | 0:04:49 | |
terms of Brexiteers, I think things
have changed and the fact she has | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
been personally congratulated by
Donald Tusk as well as by | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
Jean-Claude Juncker, who said it was
a personal victory for her, it takes | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
into a much better position this
week and that she may have been. Do | 0:04:59 | 0:05:04 | |
you think the people you just
mentioned, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Peter | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
Bone amber lights, are on-board? So
far, Leave Means Leave have released | 0:05:08 | 0:05:15 | |
a statement and they're present all
these Brexiteers. We have heard from | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
Farage and others who seem to be on
the more extremist and a Brexit who | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
are not going to be happy, just as
those on the extremist end of any | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
debate are often not happy with what
seems to be a compromise. I think | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
the EU has met us a long way when it
comes to ECJ, I think there have | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
been some concessions made by this
side. I think so-called pragmatic | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
Brexiteers will be saying to
themselves, it is not perfect but is | 0:05:37 | 0:05:44 | |
better than where we thought we were
earlier in the week and equally, I | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
think you have a situation where
people are accepting that in a | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
compromised series of negotiations,
nobody is going to be 100% happy and | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
if anyone was 100% tabby, that would
mean the negotiations were too far | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
waited in one way or the other. It
has been a Herculean task to get all | 0:05:57 | 0:06:02 | |
the different strands on-board - the
Irish government and the EU are on | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
the same side, you've got the DUP,
both wings of the Conservative | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
Party, and she has managed it. They
have all managed it. The Europeans | 0:06:09 | 0:06:14 | |
have been very keen... The praise
they have lavished on her, to keep | 0:06:14 | 0:06:21 | |
her there because they are afraid
they could get something much worse | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
if she is unseated and this week it
looked as if the high Brexiteers | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
might have pushed her off her feet
but in the end, all they have done | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
is kick the can down the road. We
know we have a guarantee of a soft | 0:06:31 | 0:06:37 | |
border, we have this alignment right
across the whole European Union... | 0:06:37 | 0:06:44 | |
If the trade deal isn't actually
secured. It is the fallback option, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
full alignment for the whole of the
UK. Yes, but you can't have both | 0:06:48 | 0:06:53 | |
things. If you have alignment, it
has to be near as dammit in the | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
customs union rules. But I think...
Wait a minute. It has got to be very | 0:06:57 | 0:07:04 | |
close. The French and everybody else
have said you can't have an open | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
border, you can't have a soft
border, unless you have almost | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
identical trading agreements, in
which case most of the Remainers | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
will be mostly happy because they
know we are going to leave the EU | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
anyway. What they are really worried
about is divorcing ourselves from | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
the single market and the customs
union and if, in effect, we are more | 0:07:22 | 0:07:27 | |
or less staying in it to keep the
border open, then they're happy, but | 0:07:27 | 0:07:32 | |
when that becomes clear the other
lot won't be, the Peter Bone we're | 0:07:32 | 0:07:37 | |
and Jacob Rees-Moggs. We are going
to pick over it like a dog with a | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
vote later in the programme. -- dog
with a bone. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:49 | |
So, the deal came before dawn,
allowing Theresa May | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
and her negotiating partners
in Brussels a chance to smile over | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
croissants and orange juice. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:55 | |
But what exactly did they agree? | 0:07:55 | 0:07:56 | |
The report makes the commitment
that there will be no hard | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
border between the UK
and the Republic of Ireland. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
It is unclear how this will be
achieved but in the absence | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
of agreement on the issue
between the EU and UK | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
during trade negotiations,
it says the UK will maintain "full | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
alignment" with EU rules, in areas
pertaining to Northern Ireland. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
The Good Friday Agreement
and the Common Travel | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
Area will be upheld. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:14 | |
EU citizens living in
the UK and vice versa | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
will have their rights to live,
work and study protected. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
UK courts will preside over
enforcing the rights of EU citizens | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
in Britain but can refer unclear
cases to "ultimate arbiter of Union | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
law" the European Court
of Justice for eight years | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
after the UK's withdrawal. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
In terms of the money,
no specific figure is mentioned | 0:08:33 | 0:08:43 | |
But the two parties have agreed a
formula to calculate the financial | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
settlement. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
The UK has made a number
of financial commitments, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
including paying into the EU
budget as usual in 2019/20 | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
as well as its pension
contributions liabilities. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
The report will have to be agreed
upon by the European Council summit | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
next Thursday and Friday, before
negotiations about the UK's future | 0:09:01 | 0:09:06 | |
relationship with the EU can start. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:11 | |
We're joined now from Brussels
by our correspondent Kevin Connolly. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
Everybody talks about give and take.
Who has given more and who has taken | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
more? The Europeans are going to
feel that they have got an awful lot | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
of what they wanted out of the
British, for example the idea that | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
Britain didn't owe the European
Union a penny has been quietly | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
shelved. That is the most
spectacular example of what Brussels | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
would see as the shifting of ground
on the British side. The UK can | 0:09:34 | 0:09:40 | |
point to some areas where the
European Union has rowed back. At | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
one point, those European agencies
which are being moved from London to | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
other European cities as a result of
Brexit, the EU was going to ask for | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
the British side to pay all the
costs of that removal process. That | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
seems to have gone away. So Britain
can point to concessions and I think | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
it is critical for Theresa May that
this doesn't look like a process | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
where Britain is a supplicant or
where it is trying to pass a series | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
of tests set by the European Union
but rather that it is a genuine | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
negotiation. I think there is enough
on both sides that that argument can | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
be plausibly made but there is no
doubt that the European Union has an | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
enormous amount of power in this
relationship, because the great | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
prize for Theresa May, the thing we
can now start. About, is that trade | 0:10:23 | 0:10:29 | |
negotiation. I will not miss the
phrase sufficient progress because | 0:10:29 | 0:10:35 | |
we have been saying a daily for nine
months sufficient progress has now | 0:10:35 | 0:10:40 | |
been made and people are Donald Tusk
and Michel Barnier are warning that | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
the next bit is the really hard bit.
It took the EU seven years to | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
negotiate a free trade agreement
with friendly, liberal, reasonable | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
Canada, so it is not going to be
easy but at least it is now under | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
way and the timetable has been stuck
two and a deadline has been met, so | 0:10:55 | 0:11:00 | |
what looked at the start of this
week, frankly, like a wobbly, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
uncertain process now looks a bit
more predictable from the Brussels | 0:11:04 | 0:11:13 | |
point of view so there is a palpable
sense of relief here this morning. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
And we're joined now by the Brexit
minister Steve Baker. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
It hasn't been easy reaching this
point. If we just look at this week, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
the Prime Minister thought she had
an agreement on Monday and then the | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
DUP withdrew support it up last
night, she had to fly to Brussels on | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
in the middle of the night it
seemed, in order to get that | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
agreement are gone to the next
phase. How do you think the next bit | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
is going to go? I think it is going
to be an interesting town to be in | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
politics and public policy. That
much we know. I think we're going to | 0:11:41 | 0:11:47 | |
accelerate our capacity in the
negotiations and of future | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
relationship in the paper and I
would expect to see an increase in | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
progress that we make. Let's turn to
the limitation period. Have the EU | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
agreed to want and how long would it
be? We need to get onto the future | 0:11:59 | 0:12:05 | |
relationship negotiations before a
negotiation period so that is | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
something we can do at the council.
But there is going to be an | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
intimidation period? That is the
policy and I am glad it is. We | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
expected to be two years because the
Prime Minister has explained, it is | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
about how long we need to do the
practical things which lead to the | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
best possible exit. It could be
longer than two years? We expected | 0:12:23 | 0:12:28 | |
to be two years. Junior limitation
period, the UK will stay in the | 0:12:28 | 0:12:34 | |
single market on the customs union
and the EU guidelines for the future | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
relationship so that. What the Prime
Minister explained the France speech | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
is that we would continue in the
plantation period within the | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
framework of current de Leeuw law.
But upon what is not often be made | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
here is that in order to conclude
that agreement would need to be | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
outside the treaties, which is a
matter of EU law. So the trick is to | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
leave the sphere of treaty law and
be outside the EU without ending on | 0:12:55 | 0:13:00 | |
the practical arrangements so we
have that period of stability and | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
continuity. I have the council
guidelines in front of me and they | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
are talking about transitional
arrangements and it says, "In order | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
to ensure a level playing field
based on the same rules applied | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
throughout the single market,
changes to the act adopted by EU | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
institutions and bodies will have to
apply both in the UK and the EU. All | 0:13:18 | 0:13:25 | |
existing union regulatory budgetary,
supervisory, judiciary and | 0:13:25 | 0:13:30 | |
enforcement instruments will also
apply". Do you agree? We don't | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
comment on leaked documents. This is
leaked but it is the general | 0:13:35 | 0:13:41 | |
secretariat of the council, the
European Council draft guidelines. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
It is extremely clear. What you've
just read out is consistent with | 0:13:44 | 0:13:49 | |
what the Prime Minister has
previously said and is also | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
consistent with what the EU has
previously said. But what I would | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
say is, there is space for everyone
to move considerably through this | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
process. Whitbread will change?
Would Freeman to -- freedom of | 0:13:59 | 0:14:06 | |
movement continue? The point is that
we have managed to achieve | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
significant progress in a way which
is, I think, broadly being welcomed | 0:14:09 | 0:14:14 | |
and that means we can get onto the
future relationship conversation in | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
order to agree a future relationship
which is in everyone's best | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
interests. That future agreement
would include signing new trade | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
deals, for example, the future, but
not during this transition period. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
Do you accept that Britain will not
be able to strike any new trade | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
deals until March 2021 at the
earliest? The issue is when you can | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
start negotiating them and when you
can put them into place. Under the | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
framework of the fermentation
period, I think we all expect we | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
would not be able to implement new
trade agreements with new countries | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
during the implementation period. So
2021 would be the earliest? I would | 0:14:50 | 0:14:55 | |
expect us to start negotiating
during the limitation period for | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
conclusion after it. I expect we
could get onto a great deal of | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
detailed work through Liam Fox's
department. And freedom of movement | 0:15:03 | 0:15:08 | |
would continue until March 2021? The
date which is relevant to the | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
agreement which has been struck his
exit day but we will need to get on | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
and talk about the future
relationship before any of those | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
things have been agreed. Do you
accept they have said you will have | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
to sign up to all of the agreements,
including the four freedoms, if you | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
are going to remain part of the
customs union and single market | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
until transition is finished? You
asking me to comment on league | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
documents and we don't do that. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
Do you accept the UK would still
have freedom of movement up until | 0:15:40 | 0:15:45 | |
2021? I am going to celebrate we
have achieved sufficient progress. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:51 | |
We will get through the negotiations
knowing what our objectives are and | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
then we will conclude a
relationship. I'd take a judgment | 0:15:54 | 0:15:59 | |
like every member of Parliament and
every member of the public. So | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
freedom of movement could continue?
We are very clear we are going to be | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
taking back control of our laws,
borders, money, trade policy. When? | 0:16:06 | 0:16:12 | |
We need to get into the future
relationship agreement. You've just | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
said you'll make a judgment. Freedom
of movement you will take in the | 0:16:16 | 0:16:21 | |
round along with everything else
including that you trade deal. The | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
Prime Minister is very clear that we
are taking back control of our | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
migration policy. There is a
migration Bill coming forward. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
People watching will understand
we've just moved from one testing | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
negotiation in order to move into
the next phase of a testing | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
negotiation. It's not for me as a
Minister in the government to | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
pre-empt that long negotiation. So
there are no red lines? Of course. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:52 | |
What are they? The ones the primers
to set out in her Lancaster House | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
speech and Florence speech -- the
Prime Minister. We are clear the | 0:16:56 | 0:17:01 | |
implementation period needs to
conducted in the framework of EU | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
rules. Including freedom of movement
and the jurisdiction of the ECJ. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:12 | |
These will be matters of
negotiation. For the moment we need | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
to go forward with this agreement to
the council, the other nations of | 0:17:15 | 0:17:21 | |
Europe agree with us it's not all
about interests to move forward. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:26 | |
Let's talk about the European Court
of Justice. In this document but | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
also in discussions there has been
agreement by the UK that the ECJ | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
will continue to have a role as
being the arbiter on EU citizens' | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
rights. That will continue until
2021. You mean the withdrawal | 0:17:38 | 0:17:45 | |
agreement? The agreement you've
signed up to. The withdrawal | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
agreement is clear there is a
voluntary limited role for our | 0:17:48 | 0:17:53 | |
courts to refer cases to the
European Court so that we can | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
establish a body of case law within
the withdrawal agreement. Let's keep | 0:17:56 | 0:18:02 | |
it simple. The European Court of
Justice will continue to have a role | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
as the ultimate arbiter beyond
transition for eight years. The | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
direct jurisdiction of the Court of
Justice will end. There will be a | 0:18:10 | 0:18:15 | |
capacity for our courts to make a
voluntary referral to the Court of | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
justice and case law where there is
a gap in case law, on the body of | 0:18:19 | 0:18:25 | |
law as it exists on exit day. I
think that is a reasonable thing to | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
do to give citizens certainty as the
withdrawal agreement beds in, so we | 0:18:29 | 0:18:34 | |
can all understand caselaw on the
withdrawal agreement is being | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
consistently interpreted. I think
that is a civilised thing to do for | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
European citizens which I would have
thought that people who took the | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
view we should keep people well
would welcome. You may well be right | 0:18:45 | 0:18:51 | |
but it wasn't what we were led to
believe by some of your colleagues | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
who said that every single aspect of
the ECJ would end when we leave. | 0:18:54 | 0:19:02 | |
This is a negotiation and we've
worked through a range of complex | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
issues. We've reached a position
which I am happy to accept, much as | 0:19:05 | 0:19:11 | |
many of us would have liked to keep
things simple to everybody, but the | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
reality is we need to do what is
right by European citizens. We've | 0:19:15 | 0:19:20 | |
agreed this mechanism of voluntary
limited referral on narrow grounds, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
which I think is reasonable as we
establish the caselaw of with -- of | 0:19:24 | 0:19:32 | |
the withdrawal agreement. Let's talk
about the agreement of the DUP. What | 0:19:32 | 0:19:38 | |
does it mean? The first thing to say
is it refers to a fallback scenario | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
in the event we don't reach a
quality future relationship | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
agreement. We want to honour the
Belfast agreement and inshore | 0:19:45 | 0:19:53 | |
North-South co-operation on the
island of Ireland continues. This is | 0:19:53 | 0:19:58 | |
about a fallback position, it's not
about where we want to go. The | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
document is extremely clear that the
UK will preserve its political and | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
economic integrity, that the United
Kingdom will leave the customs union | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
and single market. What does full
nine and -- full alignment mean? You | 0:20:10 | 0:20:16 | |
said the integrity of the UK will
stay in its entirety, so does that | 0:20:16 | 0:20:22 | |
full alignment with customs and
standards of the EU applied to the | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
whole of the UK in that full --
fallback scenario? I'm expecting us | 0:20:25 | 0:20:33 | |
to discuss all these issues. I would
expect us to agree objectives and | 0:20:33 | 0:20:39 | |
then regulatory recognition, which
is a standard practice in trade | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
agreements, so that we have a
capacity to sometimes agree on what | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
we want to achieve and how we do it,
and sometimes to agree that we will | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
differ in how we meet the same
shared objectives. In order to keep | 0:20:51 | 0:20:56 | |
that soft border between Ireland and
Northern Ireland, you accept that in | 0:20:56 | 0:21:02 | |
that full and macro fallback
position we will be signed up to the | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
standards and regulations and
customs of the EU? What I accept is | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
we've had a great success... You are
not answering the questions about | 0:21:11 | 0:21:16 | |
what has actually been agreed. I
would have thought you would welcome | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
we've got onto the future
relationship agreement which would | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
allow us to resolve some of these
issues collaboratively and jointly | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
in everyone's mutual interests. How
did you get the DUP to agree to this | 0:21:25 | 0:21:31 | |
when they were so unhappy a few days
ago? I wasn't party to the | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
conversation. As they've explained,
I saw Arlene Foster explaining it, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
there have been a number of changes.
In particular that the commitment to | 0:21:40 | 0:21:45 | |
maintaining the constitution and
economic integrity of the UK | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
including Northern Ireland. Let's
talk about the money. Philip Hammond | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
says we will be paying that divorce
settlement Bill even without a trade | 0:21:52 | 0:21:57 | |
deal, is that right? The situation
is nothing is agreed until | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
everything is agreed. So he is
wrong? Nothing is agreed until | 0:22:00 | 0:22:06 | |
everything is agreed. We are a rule
of law nation state which wishes to | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
honour its commitments which we've
incurred but we are moving through | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
this negotiation in a spirit of
goodwill, wishing to set up a new | 0:22:12 | 0:22:17 | |
partnership which serves us. Quite
so when Philip Hammond said he would | 0:22:17 | 0:22:23 | |
find it inconceivable that we
wouldn't actually pay for our | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
obligations and contributions even
if we didn't secure a free trade | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
deal did he misspeak? We are
proceeding in a spirit of | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
cooperation is looking towards our
future relationship. In those | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
circumstances we would expect to
meet our commitments which we have | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
entered into, and to move forward
into that new relationship. These | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
things go together. We need to focus
on a process of moving through the | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
negotiation, to land in a place
which suits everyone. I'm still not | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
clear. Will we pay the £45 billion
which has been talked about in the | 0:22:54 | 0:22:59 | |
divorce settlement whether we get a
trade deal or not? I'm not expecting | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
to pay a figure as high as £45
billion. £40 billion then? We are | 0:23:03 | 0:23:10 | |
expecting to move through into a
process where we conclude a | 0:23:10 | 0:23:15 | |
relationship in everyone's best
interest, that is where all of us | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
should be focusing our efforts.
Polly Toynbee, listening to Steve | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
Baker, do you think it is clear that
there are no more red lines in the | 0:23:22 | 0:23:27 | |
negotiations that are now going to
proceed? I'm delighted to hear, it | 0:23:27 | 0:23:32 | |
really sounds as if there aren't. I
was on the politics with Steve Baker | 0:23:32 | 0:23:38 | |
before he became a Minister. He was
an adamant Leaver and he wouldn't | 0:23:38 | 0:23:45 | |
have accepted paying a significant
amount of money, staying under the | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
ECJ... We went beyond the ECJ. And
above all, alignment such that we | 0:23:49 | 0:23:54 | |
can have a soft border with Ireland.
It is a very good thing, the DUP | 0:23:54 | 0:24:00 | |
were right about that. That
alignment means in effect we are | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
moral less in the single market and
customs union. If that is what | 0:24:04 | 0:24:10 | |
happens I will be delighted. Can you
guarantee that the whole of the | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
UK... I did think I've changed my
views. I've always been a rule of | 0:24:15 | 0:24:20 | |
law Conservative, boys understood we
will want to have a cooperative | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
relationship. What I've wanted to do
is change the structure of that | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
relationship. What I would expect to
happen, and it is a | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
mischaracterisation to talk about
being under the ECJ. We will not be. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
The direct jurisdiction of the ECJ
will come to an end and we will | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
control our laws. I'm sorry it's
slightly complex but I'd explained | 0:24:39 | 0:24:44 | |
in some detail but what we need to
do is have the capacity for a | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
voluntary referral to establish the
caselaw of the withdrawal agreement | 0:24:47 | 0:24:52 | |
on the narrow question of citizens'
rights, where they've already... | 0:24:52 | 0:25:01 | |
Polly, we are going to have to move
on. You said that figure of £45 | 0:25:01 | 0:25:06 | |
billion was way over, what should it
be in your mind? There will be a | 0:25:06 | 0:25:11 | |
technical briefing which will
explain more of this. Our budget | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
contributions which we've already...
Will be less? I would expect it to. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:22 | |
How has the deal been received by
those in the Labour Party arguing | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
for the close as possible
relationship with the EU after | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
Brexit? Chuka Umunna joins me now
from south London. Do you welcome | 0:25:28 | 0:25:35 | |
this agreement? I'm pleased we are
moving to the next phase. It's about | 0:25:35 | 0:25:40 | |
time. The government has wasted a
lot of time, we are 18 months into | 0:25:40 | 0:25:45 | |
this process and very little
progress in the overall scheme of | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
things. I'm pleased. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:55 | |
It's interesting listening to Steve
Baker radically trying to repaint | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
the lines set out in the Prime
Minister's speech last January. If | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
you go back to all the things she
said, there would be no adherence to | 0:26:02 | 0:26:07 | |
European Court of Justice rulings,
clearly that is going to be the case | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
in respect of EU citizens' rights in
the document that has just been | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
released by the commission. We were
told there wouldn't be huge | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
contributions into the EU budget, we
will be contributing until 2020, and | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
of course there is the divorce Bill
which in some respects was the price | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
of being able to move to the next
age of over £40 billion. What should | 0:26:26 | 0:26:33 | |
the Labour leadership under Jeremy
Corbyn and Keir Starmer when it | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
comes to Brexit, what should their
position be now? It's very clear | 0:26:36 | 0:26:41 | |
that in order to be able to get the
exact same economic benefits as we | 0:26:41 | 0:26:47 | |
enjoyed at the moment in the
European Union once we've left, we | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
need to stay in the single market
and the customs union permanently. A | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
lot has been talked about
transition, business has asked for a | 0:26:53 | 0:26:59 | |
decent transition period. What
transition does is it simply delays | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
jumping off the cliff if you don't
have proper arrangements in place | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
afterwards. Do you expect to hear
that now from the shadow team in | 0:27:06 | 0:27:15 | |
your party, that they should commit
to staying in the single market and | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
the customs union? I'm very pleased
to hear Keir Starmer say at the | 0:27:18 | 0:27:24 | |
dispatch box this week that we think
will these options should stay on | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
the table. That's very encouraging.
I would like us to go that bit | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
further and be absolutely clear that
we are seeking to stay in the | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
customs union and the single market
permanently. The big thing here is, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
every time this move forward we see
new facts emerging. That big divorce | 0:27:40 | 0:27:46 | |
Bill that Steve Baker has been
trying to dismiss almost, that | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
wasn't what people thought they were
going to be voting for. If you're | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
paying that big divorce Bill which
we will be paying, you aren't going | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
to get the £350 million extra per
week going to the NHS, which was | 0:27:57 | 0:28:02 | |
central to the campaign Steve Baker
was part. You go back to many of the | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
other things said. I remember when
Tony Blair and John Major went to | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
Northern Ireland as part of
referendum campaign and people said | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
when they were talking a potential
problems with the Irish border that | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
they were engaging in project here.
That has dominated proceedings over | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
the last couple of weeks. Every time
we move forward new facts are | 0:28:20 | 0:28:27 | |
presenting themselves and that is
why we have to have an open mind | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
about what happened at the end of
this process... Do you have an open | 0:28:30 | 0:28:35 | |
mind on the agreement that has been
reached, because the DUP and the | 0:28:35 | 0:28:40 | |
Irish government as well as the EU
generally are on board at this | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
point, and there seems to be a
commitment and broad agreement that | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
there will be this open border, as
will be integrity of the UK going | 0:28:48 | 0:28:54 | |
forward be retained? Surely you're
happy about that? Absolutely. My | 0:28:54 | 0:28:59 | |
central argument here is there is
going to be a lot of focus on | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
government competence and how long
this has taken. The fact is, Brexit | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
in the terms it was sold to the
British people is proving impossible | 0:29:06 | 0:29:12 | |
to deliver. That's what compromises
about, isn't it? Absolutely. I | 0:29:12 | 0:29:17 | |
wasn't the one setting the red lines
in this process at the start. It was | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
people like Steve Baker and his
Prime Minister setting out all these | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
ridiculous red lines which has meant
that we've wasted all this time. At | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
the end of the day they have
committed to this document, they are | 0:29:28 | 0:29:34 | |
committed to the concept of
alignment. The whole reason people | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
like Steve Baker, Boris Johnson,
Michael Gove and others were arguing | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
for us to leave the EU was to enable
both virgins. Now they've just | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
agreed to alignment. Why are we
going through this whole process? | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
Thank you. We've heard from some
Brexit supporting MPs within the | 0:29:48 | 0:29:54 | |
Conservative Party this morning and
on the whole they've given that the | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
only cautious welcome. What of the
self-styled guard dogs of Brexit, | 0:29:57 | 0:30:04 | |
Ukip? Their leader joins me now. Do
you want to join the queue | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
congratulating the Prime Minister
and the government on this | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
agreement? Absolutely not. What this
is is a total surrender to the | 0:30:11 | 0:30:17 | |
European Commission. In fact, having
worked in Brussels for three years I | 0:30:17 | 0:30:22 | |
recognise the style of the document
that is being produced and I would | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
say 80-90% of it was drafted in
Brussels. We don't know that but | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
that is my guess. But the prize is a
trade deal is going to be negotiated | 0:30:29 | 0:30:36 | |
and Britain are successful in that
surely it will have your support? | 0:30:36 | 0:30:42 | |
But if there is no agreement we stay
under full alignment and means | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
effectively that we are tied to the
customs union, to the single market | 0:30:46 | 0:30:51 | |
and therefore to the European Court
of Justice in that regard. Steve | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
Baker has just said we won't see the
customs union. He said we will not | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
say the customs union or the single
market and that this is a fallback | 0:31:00 | 0:31:06 | |
option and will only apply to
certain areas under the Good Friday | 0:31:06 | 0:31:12 | |
Agreement. That is not actually
correct because, first of all, we | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
may not be part of it but what we
will be having to do is comply with | 0:31:15 | 0:31:20 | |
it in every respect, so we won't
have the freedom to move off it if | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
that's the best interests of the
country, for example in terms of | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
trade deals and aligning ourselves
to the requirements of export | 0:31:27 | 0:31:34 | |
markets, but with regards to the
Good Friday Agreement for the | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
Northern Irish border, that is the
starting point. The government and | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
we have never asked for, the UK, has
never asked for a board of there. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
What Theresa May has allowed to
happen is that the European | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
Commission who want an external
border want us to come up with the | 0:31:48 | 0:31:54 | |
solution. What the Government has
agreed to do in this agreement is a | 0:31:54 | 0:31:59 | |
line for Northern Ireland but then
by paragraph 50, it actually says | 0:31:59 | 0:32:08 | |
that the UK will not actually
implement any barrier to alignment | 0:32:08 | 0:32:15 | |
between Northern Ireland and the
rest of the UK. And therefore we are | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
fully tied to it as the entire UK
and I don't support in any way, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:26 | |
absolutely oppose, anything that
provides an obstacle between | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
Northern Ireland and the rest of the
UK. The point is, you are a lone | 0:32:28 | 0:32:33 | |
voice, really. Ukip has, to some
extent, been marginalised and if | 0:32:33 | 0:32:38 | |
Euro-sceptic Tory MPs and ministers
have signed up to this, then your | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
words are going to fall on deaf
ears. I don't think so. It is a fair | 0:32:42 | 0:32:48 | |
observation but the thing is, they
are all aligning behind this because | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
the Tory party are in such a mess
over this. We've had a sequence of | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
rather disastrous political and
dramatic events. They are united, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
aren't they? Yes, because they want
to preserve the Conservative Party | 0:32:58 | 0:33:05 | |
in power. They may say that is the
point of them. It is why Steve Baker | 0:33:05 | 0:33:10 | |
is trying to sell this as the
headline issue - isn't it good news | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
that there is an agreement?
Unfortunately, what they are reliant | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
on is that 99 present of the
population when they read the small | 0:33:17 | 0:33:21 | |
print, and the small print says you
have basically made an agreement | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
where you are going to be handed
over a whole lot of money but we are | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
still not going to have control over
our immigration, we are still going | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
to be tied, if not intrinsically
members of, tied to the European | 0:33:31 | 0:33:36 | |
Common Market and single market and
customs union and therefore the ECJ. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
Soares no withdrawal from this and
there is no end state or any | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
incentive to reach a further
agreement. Thank you very much. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
Before I move onto my next guest,
your observation so far, having | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
listened to Steve Baker, who was
always described as an art Dureau | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
sceptic, and also to Henry Bolton of
Ukip. Do they matter? I think we | 0:33:55 | 0:34:00 | |
need to have further discussion of
what this full alignment means, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:05 | |
because it has lost the word
regulatory which means it is open to | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
wide interpretation. And it is a
fallback position. Second of all, we | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
need to look at the facts that when
Polly said we have kicked the issue | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
to the curb and have put into the
long grass because you need to get | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
to the next age, that is because the
Government all were started from a | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
position that you couldn't discuss
the Northern Ireland border issue | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
unless you were discussing the trade
agreement so they have achieved | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
something in that and then moved
that plank of discussions to the | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
next stage because they belong
there. Therefore I think, when we | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
break this down because it is
getting quite competent ethical, -- | 0:34:37 | 0:34:45 | |
complex and technical, our viewers
will be concerned with the price | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
that is put on this and 40 billion
is being bandied around and what I'm | 0:34:47 | 0:34:53 | |
interested in is what price people
will find acceptable. Will the | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
Brexiteer readers of our newspaper
the kid pain for long-term gain? We | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
are joined by the shadow Brexit
secretary, Kier Starmer. Welcome. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:07 | |
Should the PMB congratulated? It is
good there has been progress. That | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
has come a bit later than we thought
but it is progress and it is | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
important that we put the deadline
next week because if that had been | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
missed, there was going to be
another three months until we got | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
that deadline and we do need to move
on. About the next stage, most | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
importantly transitional measures,
because businesses around the | 0:35:24 | 0:35:29 | |
country are all saying, we need to
know that there will be transitional | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
measures and they will be on the
same terms as now, and that is a | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
debate that should have started in
October, frankly. It needs to start | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
straightaway. It is good that we
have got to this stage. When are we | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
going to hear from Jeremy Corbyn,
the leader of the Labour Party, on | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
this very important moment in
Britain possible constitutional | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
history? Jeremy dealt with Brexit
PMQs this week. But today an | 0:35:51 | 0:35:56 | |
agreement has been reached. Wouldn't
you expect to hear from Jeremy | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
Corbyn? Jeremy is a Geneva and we
have a statement out within half an | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
hour of the developments within
Brussels. I've done various bits of | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
media this morning and will do
various more. I hope that is putting | 0:36:07 | 0:36:12 | |
across our message. Let's try to get
to what your messages because you | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
want to retain the benefits of the
single market as closely as | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
possible. Isn't the best way of
retaining the benefits of the single | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
market staying in the single market?
Well, this question of staying in | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
needs to be dealt with and we
haven't really dealt with it. At the | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
moment we are an EU member and as an
EU member, we are in the single | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
market. When we leave, we then have
to strike a new agreement with the | 0:36:35 | 0:36:40 | |
EU. We are not staying in, you have
got to do something positive so | 0:36:40 | 0:36:45 | |
we've got to reach an agreement. We
are saying, reach an agreement that | 0:36:45 | 0:36:50 | |
delivers the benefits of the single
market so we can participate... The | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
EU aren't going to give us a deal
where we keep all the benefits of a | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
single market without the four
freedoms so, as I say, if you want | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
to retain the benefits of the single
market in the way that Labour has | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
described, you need to stay in the
single market. There was no question | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
of staying in. That is off the
table? I really don't want to lose | 0:37:09 | 0:37:17 | |
it, the clarity of this. We are in
the single market as an EU member. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:23 | |
If we are to fully participate in
the single market in the future, we | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
need to strike an agreement, a
treaty with the EU, going forward. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
That is what Norway did 24 years
ago, we will have to do a 21st | 0:37:30 | 0:37:35 | |
century version of that. That have
to be negotiated but in the | 0:37:35 | 0:37:41 | |
meantime, transitional, we stay in
because that is something available | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
to us under Article 50 but after
that, strike a new agreement that | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
allows us to participate fully in
the single market. That is what we | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
want to achieve and we want to
achieve it because it makes sense | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
for business. Or businesses want to
trade successfully in the future as | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
they have in the past. Will it be a
difficult negotiation? You bet it | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
will. Is it worth having? Yes, it
is. And I clarify, because your | 0:38:03 | 0:38:15 | |
colleague Jenny Chapman was sitting
where you are and said to me a few | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
days ago that the issue of staying
in the customs union should be left | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
on the table. The customs union is
difficult. I need to clarify it for | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
viewers who may be thinking, like
Chuka Umunna has just said, he would | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
like to hear you say that we are
staying unmissable market -- in the | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
single market and some of the
rhetoric from Labour implies that is | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
what you want to do but you have
said it is off the table. Our | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
current membership of the single
market is on or off the table? The | 0:38:37 | 0:38:42 | |
single market and Customs union are
two different things and our | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
position is we want to retain the
benefits both of them and that all | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
options should be the table. If we
are to retain the option of fully | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
but as a leading the single market,
we have to strike an agreement with | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
the EU to get that and that is what
we need to do. At the moment we are | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
an EU member. Chukka and I want the
same outcome, which is the then if | 0:39:00 | 0:39:06 | |
it of the single market and customs
union. And talking about how we get | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
it. While we were talking, Jeremy
Corbyn has been speaking to the | 0:39:10 | 0:39:15 | |
United Nations in Geneva. Is
subject, Britain's place in the | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
world after Brexit. Let's listen to
the Labour leader speaking a short | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
while ago. My party stands for a
completely different future when we | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
leave the EU, drawing on the best of
the internationalist traditions of | 0:39:26 | 0:39:32 | |
the Labour movement and of our
country. We want to see a close and | 0:39:32 | 0:39:40 | |
cooperative relationship with our
European neighbours outside the | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
European Union, based on solidarity,
as well as mutual benefit and fair | 0:39:44 | 0:39:50 | |
trade, along with a wider, proactive
internationalism across the globe. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:58 | |
Let's get onto the customs union.
That is still on the table. Yes. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
Let's just step back and see what
we're trying to achieve. In Northern | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
Ireland, if you are to avoid a hard
border, whether it is your first all | 0:40:06 | 0:40:11 | |
fallback position, you're going to
have to have alignment north to | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
south. It is the only way. I went to
Norway and Sweden to look at the | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
border between those two countries.
It is a hard border, there is | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
infrastructure, you have to stop and
be checked. The DUP said they don't | 0:40:22 | 0:40:27 | |
want Northern Ireland to be treated
separately in any way to other parts | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
of the UK. And therefore if you have
alignment north to south in Northern | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
Ireland, between a country that has
left the EU, in the future, and a | 0:40:34 | 0:40:39 | |
country that is in it, you have
aligned with the EU for the purposes | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
of bulb Island, if you then a line
across the UK, which you have to do | 0:40:41 | 0:40:46 | |
because we need a UK wide agreement,
you have therefore created alignment | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
and playing by the same rules, the
same standards in future. That is a | 0:40:50 | 0:40:57 | |
good thing. It is a good thing
because it means we can trade in the | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
future with our European colleagues
as successfully as we can now and | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
that is a huge goal that we should
all be aiming for. Explained to us | 0:41:03 | 0:41:09 | |
how Labour's policy on migration and
integration would work, because in | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
the manifesto it said, freedom of
movement will end when Britain | 0:41:13 | 0:41:18 | |
leaves the EU. And that is still the
case. So during a transition period, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:25 | |
will freedom of movement... You
would like to see freedom of | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
movement continue? Yes. What we've
said is, we will not reach the final | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
agreement with the EU by March 2019,
therefore pennies to be a | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
transitional period. That should be
on the same terms as now, which | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
means in the customs union, in a
single market with European Court of | 0:41:41 | 0:41:46 | |
Justice and with freedom of movement
until we reach the final agreement. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
When we reach the final agreement,
that will be the new treaty, the | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
21st century treaty, if we get this
right, that will, I hope, deliver | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
the benefits of the customs union
and the single market. That is what | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
we are aiming for. Polly? Keir
Starmer is a lawyer and I think | 0:42:00 | 0:42:07 | |
sometimes people misunderstand the
difference between technically being | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
in the single market and actually
being on the same terms as the | 0:42:09 | 0:42:15 | |
single market. I'm not sure it makes
very much difference. What matters | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
is that we get exactly the same
trade agreement, single market and | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
customs union, as we have noted that
is what matters to the DUP and for | 0:42:22 | 0:42:27 | |
the border. There is no way we can
have a soft border unless we have an | 0:42:27 | 0:42:32 | |
almost identical system to now.
Which means in a sense that the | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
extreme Brexiteers don't get what
they want. Camilla, what would you | 0:42:36 | 0:42:40 | |
let your readers think of that? I'm
confused. I know you've tried to | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
explain as a number of times, Keir | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
confused. I know you've tried to
explain as a number of times, Keir, | 0:42:47 | 0:42:47 | |
but I think people are confused with
trying to mirror single market and | 0:42:47 | 0:42:53 | |
customs union membership but not
being in it but maybe being in it a | 0:42:53 | 0:42:59 | |
bit. People often say Brexiteers
don't know what they were voting | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
for. Chukka said it earlier. How
would he know? He has never been a | 0:43:01 | 0:43:06 | |
Brexiteer. Brexiteers voted to
maintain control of our legal | 0:43:06 | 0:43:11 | |
system, to control immigration, to
have free trading partnerships with | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
the rest of the world and to move
forward in that brave new future. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
What you are both suggesting is a
fudge and is not what the British | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
public voted for. There are two bits
of this. There is the referendum and | 0:43:20 | 0:43:25 | |
what is the future relationship with
the EU going to be? I don't think | 0:43:25 | 0:43:30 | |
anybody voted either way to damage
our trading relationship with the EU | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
and if we don't stay aligned, if we
don't have the benefits of the | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
single market and customs union, if
we haven't got a customs union | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
arrangement, if we are not fully but
as a leading unmissable market, it | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
will damage our trade with the EU. I
haven't met anybody who voted Leave | 0:43:46 | 0:43:51 | |
who said, "I was voting to damage
our trade with the EU". Unless you | 0:43:51 | 0:43:56 | |
stay aligned and you are
participating fully in the single | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
market... That is why this is so
important. In the end, maybe it is | 0:44:00 | 0:44:06 | |
overly lawyer like. We need a set of
arrangements delivering in a way | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
they deliver now because that is the
only way to preserve trade of the | 0:44:09 | 0:44:14 | |
future and nobody voted to damage
our ability to succeed in trading | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
with the EU in the future. We need
to be clear about this because | 0:44:17 | 0:44:21 | |
whatever this arrangement is, it is
going to be the arrangement for | 0:44:21 | 0:44:25 | |
decades to come and we need to get
it right and make a big decision, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
which is, are we living in Europe is
our major trading partner for the | 0:44:28 | 0:44:33 | |
future or are we under other fancy
that there is some of the group of | 0:44:33 | 0:44:40 | |
countries out there? Remaining fully
aligned with those customs and | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
standards, we will in essence be
taking some of the rules from the | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
European Union, which is not what
Brexit meant. We will be on the same | 0:44:46 | 0:44:51 | |
level playing field, we will be
applying the same standards and so | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
we should. And we will take rules
from the European Union and will | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
have no say in how they are set out.
Who wants to reduce rights at work? | 0:44:58 | 0:45:04 | |
Who wants less rights for
environmental protection? How are | 0:45:04 | 0:45:08 | |
you taking away from the trade union
movement by saying that rights at | 0:45:08 | 0:45:14 | |
work or you construct? Those who
want to divert those on lower | 0:45:14 | 0:45:19 | |
standards. You can't possibly be
saying is a labourer but it is only | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
the EU that attributes rights at
work. What are you saying about your | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
own trade union movement? The social
chapter had to be fought for and | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
fought for and the Tories kept us
out of it and then Labour got us in. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:32 | |
Nobody is saying it was going to be
taken away. It was new rights that | 0:45:32 | 0:45:36 | |
came from Europe. To suggest we
would submit are at works' rights as | 0:45:36 | 0:45:42 | |
a result of leaving the EU... It is
not a question of where they came | 0:45:42 | 0:45:47 | |
from. The basic deal in Europe is,
you get the huge advantage of the | 0:45:47 | 0:45:51 | |
customs union and single market so
long as you are on a level playing | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
field and so it is not where the
rights came from, it is whether we | 0:45:54 | 0:45:57 | |
have the same standards across
Europe. If you have the same | 0:45:57 | 0:46:01 | |
standards you can continue to trade
successfully into the future. If you | 0:46:01 | 0:46:05 | |
don't, you can't. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:10 | |
Will freedom of movement end when we
leave? It will have to change, the | 0:46:10 | 0:46:15 | |
Labour Party has been clear about
that. It's a matter for the | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
negotiations. We need to think about
what immigration rules we want to. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:23 | |
How will it change? Will it actually
end? Yes, because once we leave the | 0:46:23 | 0:46:28 | |
EU the rule about freedom of
movement goes. We've got to draft | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
immigration rules then. That is what
we are expecting, and immigration | 0:46:32 | 0:46:36 | |
Bill coming down the track from the
government. Once we leave those | 0:46:36 | 0:46:42 | |
rules are gone and we've got to
craft them in our own legislation. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
You accept we won't have the access
to the single market in the way we | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
have it now as a member? That the
depends on the negotiations. So its | 0:46:48 | 0:46:57 | |
cake and eat it? Know it's not what
he would start negotiations by | 0:46:57 | 0:47:01 | |
saying please drop my arm off
because I want to be worse off than | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
I am now? Of course you start off by
saying we want the benefits and a | 0:47:03 | 0:47:08 | |
model that works for the 21st
century and discussion of freedom of | 0:47:08 | 0:47:13 | |
movement. Europe has changed over
the years, we haven't established | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
precisely what rules we want an
immigration. To throw that away | 0:47:16 | 0:47:20 | |
before we start means we would
damage our trade with Europe and I | 0:47:20 | 0:47:26 | |
don't think anybody voted for that.
Thank you. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:28 | |
As we've been saying,
the sticking point which caused | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
the Brexit negotiations to collapse
at the beginning of the week | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
was the status of the Irish border. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:35 | |
So has that been resolved
to the satisfaction of both | 0:47:35 | 0:47:37 | |
Northern Ireland's DUP
and the Irish government? | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
Here's the Irish Taoiseach
Leo Varadkar and the | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
DUP's Arelene Foster. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
We have achieved all that we set out
to achieve in phase one | 0:47:44 | 0:47:47 | |
of these negotiations. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
We have the assurances
and guarantees we need | 0:47:50 | 0:47:51 | |
from the United Kingdom,
and support for them | 0:47:51 | 0:47:53 | |
from the European Union. | 0:47:53 | 0:48:01 | |
I'm satisfied that sufficient
progress has now been made | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
on the Irish issues. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:05 | |
The parameters have been
set, and they are good. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
Now we can move on to work out
the detail of what has been agreed | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
to talk about the transition phase,
free trade, and the new relationship | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
between the EU and the UK. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:19 | |
We believe there have been six
substantive changes, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
and we're pleased to see those
changes, because for me it means | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
that there is no red
line down the Irish Sea. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:30 | |
We have the very clear
confirmation that the entirety | 0:48:30 | 0:48:32 | |
of the United Kingdom
is leaving the European Union, | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
leaving the single market,
leaving the customs union, | 0:48:36 | 0:48:38 | |
and I think that's a very
important statement to have. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
It's also vitally important,
of course, that the integrity | 0:48:40 | 0:48:42 | |
of the United Kingdom
was kept in place. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:48 | |
But there are still matters
there that we would have liked | 0:48:48 | 0:48:50 | |
to have seen clarified. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:57 | |
We ran out of time, essentially. | 0:48:57 | 0:48:58 | |
We think that we needed to go back
again and talk about those matters. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
I'm joined now by
Christopher Montgomery who, | 0:49:02 | 0:49:03 | |
although a Tory, was the DUP's Chief
of Staff in Westminster | 0:49:03 | 0:49:06 | |
until earlier this year. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:11 | |
Welcome to The Daily Politics. Did
the DUP caving in the end? This | 0:49:11 | 0:49:17 | |
wasn't about the DUP. This is the
thing people keep getting wrong. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
Everything that should have happened
on Monday but have happened today | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
was about one thing, getting the
Irish Republic off the hook of Leo | 0:49:23 | 0:49:28 | |
Varadkar's extraordinary
irresponsible pre-election rhetoric | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 | |
had got them on. As recently as a
fortnight ago, the position of the | 0:49:32 | 0:49:40 | |
Republic was that Northern Ireland
should stay in the customs union, | 0:49:40 | 0:49:42 | |
the single market. Everything that
has happened today should be legally | 0:49:42 | 0:49:48 | |
enshrined otherwise there would be a
veto. None of these things have | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
happened, they had disappeared like
tears in the rain. Why did the DUP | 0:49:52 | 0:49:56 | |
threatened to walk? What seems to
have happened on Monday was trying | 0:49:56 | 0:50:01 | |
to do two things. In Brussels it
seems as if they were trying to make | 0:50:01 | 0:50:10 | |
the case there should be UK wide
alignment and various areas of the | 0:50:10 | 0:50:15 | |
economy with EU standards. This
wasn't something that the Cabinet | 0:50:15 | 0:50:19 | |
knew that they were necessarily
going to go and do. There was a | 0:50:19 | 0:50:27 | |
tweet which inaccurately surmised...
It sends a signal to people... You | 0:50:27 | 0:50:45 | |
are saying it was one tweet and
otherwise everything would have gone | 0:50:45 | 0:50:50 | |
smoothly. You've got to put some
degree of blame on Number 10. You've | 0:50:50 | 0:50:56 | |
got to put some blame on the
unionists were not having the | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
relationship with Number 10 in a
more high functioning fashion. So | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
nothing has really changed, so why
have the DUP agree to it? It was | 0:51:03 | 0:51:08 | |
utterly meaningless. The words that
have been agreed to work complete | 0:51:08 | 0:51:11 | |
spoof. They were a device to allow
the republic to retreat from the | 0:51:11 | 0:51:16 | |
excessive rhetoric they had engaged
in. The things they claimed they | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
want, they haven't got. The Irish
Republic was the last country in the | 0:51:19 | 0:51:24 | |
EU 27 who would ever have... We will
never know of course. They don't | 0:51:24 | 0:51:32 | |
sound very happy even now, the DUP.
Arlene Foster seemed to be saying it | 0:51:32 | 0:51:36 | |
in sorrow rather than anger and
Sammy Wilson from the DUP has said | 0:51:36 | 0:51:43 | |
this is all conditional and we
aren't completely signed up to it. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:48 | |
At any point the DUP could say we
are withdrawing our support. That's | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
not just the DUP's position. The
British government's position is | 0:51:51 | 0:51:57 | |
nothing is agreed until everything
is agreed. We haven't pivoted into | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
phase two. There was a mythical
Irish veto in phase one, it is | 0:52:01 | 0:52:07 | |
disappeared. One could argue the
threat worked. To get what? Polly | 0:52:07 | 0:52:13 | |
Toynbee, has there been a
substantive change between what was | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
in that draft text that seem to
upset Arlene Foster and the DUP so | 0:52:17 | 0:52:22 | |
much, regulatory alignment, and what
we have now which means the UK will | 0:52:22 | 0:52:26 | |
Act in its entirety, there will be
no special arrangements. I think | 0:52:26 | 0:52:31 | |
there has been a big change. The DUP
were right to say no hard border and | 0:52:31 | 0:52:35 | |
no border on the sea, do not divide
us from the rest of the UK. The only | 0:52:35 | 0:52:40 | |
thing that's not the about the DUP
position is why did they ever vote | 0:52:40 | 0:52:45 | |
for Brexit in the first place. The
majority in Northern Ireland were | 0:52:45 | 0:52:50 | |
against Brexit. I hate interop... If
they had said they were for staying | 0:52:50 | 0:52:58 | |
in the EU and customs union and
single market it would all make | 0:52:58 | 0:53:03 | |
sense, but the DUP are very
contrary. They are Unionists. The | 0:53:03 | 0:53:11 | |
union voted for Brexit. There wasn't
a referendum in Northern Ireland on | 0:53:11 | 0:53:17 | |
whether Northern Ireland should
leave, it was the same referendum. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:25 | |
In terms of looking ahead, Sammy
Wilson has also said "We need to be | 0:53:25 | 0:53:32 | |
fully involved in those talks to
void the hiccup we've had this | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
week". Should they be fairly across
every eye that has been dotted? | 0:53:36 | 0:53:47 | |
Absolutely. The DUP is much more
important than people might like to | 0:53:47 | 0:53:52 | |
believe, it is the tail wagging the
dog? The DUP has been important and | 0:53:52 | 0:53:57 | |
earlier in the week Downing Street
were briefing it wasn't an issue | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
with the DUP but an issue with Leo
Varadkar having seemingly overplayed | 0:53:59 | 0:54:04 | |
his hand, perhaps with Brussels
behind being the master puppeteer. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:11 | |
Of course they've changed the
wording. I don't quite agree. Fine | 0:54:11 | 0:54:17 | |
Gael have gone up 5% in the polls.
You've got to understand the Irish | 0:54:17 | 0:54:22 | |
Republic has an attitude towards the
UK which is chippy. If you're | 0:54:22 | 0:54:27 | |
battering the Brits, it plays well.
Let's leave it there. If like me you | 0:54:27 | 0:54:37 | |
have left the Christmas shopping to
the last year, the Vladimir Putin | 0:54:37 | 0:54:47 | |
2018 calendar is out now. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:54 | |
There are plenty of snaps of Mr
Putin in action poses. Mr July is my | 0:54:54 | 0:55:01 | |
favourite and according to the
Kremlin it is flying off the shelves | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
in Britain. We've been unable to
find any shops in the UK stocking | 0:55:04 | 0:55:11 | |
the calendar and online sales have
been limited. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:18 | |
And I'm joined now by Mary Dejevsky,
a columnist for the Guardian. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:23 | |
Why are they saying these are
selling like hot cakes? I know you | 0:55:23 | 0:55:29 | |
are seeing a great conspiracy and
fake ease. I would actually question | 0:55:29 | 0:55:34 | |
that because I was looking around
today to see about Putin calendars. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:39 | |
There's plenty of them online. You
can get them from all over including | 0:55:39 | 0:55:44 | |
the spectacular one up there you had
with a cheetah. The Putin calendar | 0:55:44 | 0:55:55 | |
has become a sort of set piece at
the end of the year. The idea that | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
over here it is a Kremlin sponsored
operation, nothing could be further | 0:55:59 | 0:56:03 | |
from the truth. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:05 | |
You should think of it more in terms
of the Jeremy Corbyn unofficial | 0:56:05 | 0:56:10 | |
annual or whatever. LAUGHTER We've
had that, it's true! How do people | 0:56:10 | 0:56:16 | |
in the UK view stories like this? I
don't think they have this idea that | 0:56:16 | 0:56:22 | |
there is malign intent behind them.
Are you sure? To be serious for a | 0:56:22 | 0:56:31 | |
second, there is a big disconnect I
find between establishment views and | 0:56:31 | 0:56:37 | |
grassroots. Whenever I do phone-ins
about Russia, then you get a | 0:56:37 | 0:56:41 | |
completely different view from the
top which says everything is | 0:56:41 | 0:56:45 | |
dreadful, Putin is a dictator,
demonising him all over. People ring | 0:56:45 | 0:56:50 | |
in and say it's so unfair, it's so
wrong, you have to see it from their | 0:56:50 | 0:56:55 | |
point of view. One might say it's a
bit sad to have a calendar of any | 0:56:55 | 0:56:59 | |
world leader on your wall but why
would anyone in Britain want to have | 0:56:59 | 0:57:03 | |
one of Vladimir Putin? There's a bit
of an alternative thing about it. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:07 | |
It's not something probably that
everyone is going to have on | 0:57:07 | 0:57:11 | |
overall. Have you got one? I
definitely want one! Are you going | 0:57:11 | 0:57:20 | |
to get them feel stocking fillers? I
think so, I think it's really funny. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:25 | |
I think it's good for a secret Santa
and anything beats Cliff Richard! | 0:57:25 | 0:57:31 | |
Are you still with Cliff Richard? It
never ceases to amaze us that he | 0:57:31 | 0:57:36 | |
tops the chart of the most popular
calendar every time. Do you think it | 0:57:36 | 0:57:42 | |
will be popular here? It's got a
rival. If I was betting on the rival | 0:57:42 | 0:57:45 | |
that's the one I would take. There's
Putin and dogs LAUGHTER | 0:57:45 | 0:57:51 | |
that's the one I would take. There's
Putin and dogs LAUGHTER. It includes | 0:57:51 | 0:57:57 | |
a wonderful picture of him with his
gigantic dog. This is supposed to | 0:57:57 | 0:58:02 | |
give you the other view of Vladimir
Putin. And being told the pictures | 0:58:02 | 0:58:08 | |
in the calendar are rather old, they
aren't very recent. They've been | 0:58:08 | 0:58:14 | |
recycled, does that surprise you?
That I don't know but there are | 0:58:14 | 0:58:17 | |
probably only so many poses a
president has time to strike. He | 0:58:17 | 0:58:22 | |
manages it. Are you going to have
that one as well? If I can find one. | 0:58:22 | 0:58:30 | |
It could be a bestseller. I'm sure
it really will be flying off the | 0:58:30 | 0:58:35 | |
shelf. | 0:58:35 | 0:58:37 | |
That's all for today. | 0:58:37 | 0:58:38 | |
Thanks to my guests. | 0:58:38 | 0:58:42 | |
This was almost a Brexit special, it
has to be said. | 0:58:42 | 0:58:45 | |
The one o'clock news is starting
over on BBC One now. | 0:58:45 | 0:58:47 | |
Sarah Smith will be back
on Sunday on BBC One at 11 | 0:58:47 | 0:58:50 | |
with the Sunday Politics,
and I'll be back here | 0:58:50 | 0:58:52 | |
on BBC Two on Monday at midday
with more Daily Politics. | 0:58:52 | 0:58:55 | |
Bye-bye. | 0:58:55 | 0:58:58 |