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Hello, and welcome
to The Daily Politics. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
The EU's chief negotiator arrives
in London later today at the start | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
of a big week for the Brexit process
- so will we get any more clarity | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
on the shape of our future
relationship with the EU? | 0:00:49 | 0:00:56 | |
What will happen at the Borders
after Brexit? Downing Street rules | 0:00:56 | 0:01:01 | |
out any form of customs union with
the EU so what will our arrangements | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
look like? | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
A panel of health experts recommends
scrapping National Insurance | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
in favour of a new ring-fenced tax
to fund the NHS and social care. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
So is this the answer to
the problems in the health service? | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
After Jacob Rees-Mogg is caught up
in a scuffle at a speaking event, | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
the Conservative Party launches
a petition to protect free speech | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
and says it will bring forward
new laws against intimidation | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
of political candidates. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:28 | |
Does history A-Level
have a pro-Tory bias? | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
One Labour MP thinks so and has
taken to her soapbox. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
The Conservatives are quite
literally rewriting history. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:43 | |
All that in the next hour,
and with us for the whole | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
of the programme today the Labour MP
Luciana Berger and Conservative | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
MP Robert Halfon -
welcome to you both. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
First today, after protesters
disrupted a speech by Conservative | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
MP Jacob Rees-Mogg at a student
event in Bristol over the weekend, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
ways to combat the intimidation
and abuse of MPs is back | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
on the agenda. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
On yesterday's Sunday Politics
Conservative Chairman Brandon Lewis | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
spoke to Sarah Smith about what more
could be done to protect our | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
elected representatives. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
We are going to change the law
to make it against the law | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
for people to intimidate people. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:21 | |
Part of that is allowing local
election candidates to not have | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
to put their home address. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
As we saw in the last elections,
people having abuse in their homes. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
But also, from the Conservative
Party point of view, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
internally we are going to have,
as I launched a few weeks ago, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
a respect pledge that
all our candidates will sign up to. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
If they breach that code
we will suspend them, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
and we will investigate it. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
I'm disappointed that,
some four weeks in, the Labour | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
leadership still have not stepped up
to the plate to do | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
the right thing on this. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:52 | |
Luciana, why won't Jeremy Corbyn and
the Labour Party sign up to this new | 0:02:52 | 0:02:59 | |
code of conduct? The Conservatives
are bringing forward their own code | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
of conduct. If the Labour Party
brings one forward I would welcome | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
it. It would be a very positive step
forward. The proposals being put | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
forward today to ensure that council
candidates don't have to put their | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
addresses on the ballot paper is
very important, and also ensuring we | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
have measures in place to protect
all candidates. At the moment laws | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
protect voters which is important to
make sure they aren't intimidated | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
but as we've seen in recent
elections, intimidation takes place | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
and we should be doing everything to
mitigate against it. But we do have | 0:03:29 | 0:03:34 | |
extensive laws that exist already to
protect people from abuse and | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
intimidation. Why do we need more
legislation is? The laws aren't | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
working and the climate has got
incredibly bad. I've fought five | 0:03:42 | 0:03:47 | |
elections, I've been a candidate
since 1999. It's dramatically | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
different now. In my constituency
we've had people painting on walls | 0:03:51 | 0:03:56 | |
if volunteers put up posters,
painting on the house, not just | 0:03:56 | 0:04:02 | |
wrecking the poster. Wouldn't that
come under the Public order act? It | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
doesn't seem to be working. People
can write whatever they want on | 0:04:06 | 0:04:11 | |
social media, quite libellous stuff.
This isn't just about candidates or | 0:04:11 | 0:04:17 | |
electoral representatives, it's also
about the activities against | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
volunteers or members of parties
being intimidated. Intimidation is | 0:04:21 | 0:04:27 | |
what exactly? Who would judge the
intimidating behaviour? Would it be | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
the recipient or people passing by?
Common sense. If someone is being | 0:04:30 | 0:04:38 | |
harassed, if someone paints
something on someone's house, if | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
someone threatens to have their
friends burnt down because they are | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
displaying a Conservative poster and
it is then burned down -- fence is | 0:04:46 | 0:04:53 | |
burnt down. Social media is
important too. Luciana, you had an | 0:04:53 | 0:04:58 | |
online troll and he directed vicious
anti-Semitic threats against you | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
continually, and he was jailed. Did
the legislation not work in that | 0:05:02 | 0:05:07 | |
instance? I've had three people that
have been jailed for online abuse, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:12 | |
sadly. The challenge with those
cases is that they took a really | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
long time to get to court. We are
talking about in one case, close to | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
two years. The challenge at election
time is what can be done to ensure | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
we protect all candidates and
everything in the election process | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
which happens in a much shorter time
than current legislation exists for. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:37 | |
If you are in a newspaper or book
and you publish something | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
defamatory, you can see the
publisher. Whereas with Facebook and | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
Twitter, they can have stuff on it
that can be trolling and bullying | 0:05:44 | 0:05:49 | |
and is very difficult to do
something about. You would like the | 0:05:49 | 0:05:54 | |
publisher to be responsible? And the
perpetrator. Lets take the example | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
of Jacob Rees-Mogg. You will have
seen the pictures of the scuffle | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
that broke out protesting against
his presence and his speech. Would | 0:06:01 | 0:06:07 | |
you have regarded that as
intimidating behaviour that would be | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
prosecuted under a new law? Jacob
has said himself it was a tough | 0:06:10 | 0:06:16 | |
protest but protest should be
allowed. How did you view it before | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
he said anything? People who turn up
in masks and stop any kind of debate | 0:06:19 | 0:06:25 | |
and discourse, and looks like it's
going to become violent, you have to | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
judge things on common sense. I
believe in protest and | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
demonstration, but it has to be
fair. You have to make sure all the | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
arguments are heard. These people
wanted to stop Jacob Rees-Mogg from | 0:06:37 | 0:06:44 | |
speaking out. What do you think
there is a danger that bringing in | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
new legislation is actually going to
stifle that sort of debate and | 0:06:48 | 0:06:53 | |
protest? There's intimidation but
there is also trying to drown | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
somebody out. If they were trying to
stop in speaking at all, I think | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
these things can be judged on a
case-by-case basis and I think | 0:06:59 | 0:07:04 | |
common sense can be applied. It's
pretty easy to see what has happened | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
on this occasion, but the law needs
to be tougher for the reasons we | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
talked about. I want to ensure that
anyone who's interested in taking | 0:07:12 | 0:07:17 | |
part in public life is able to do
so. I think people seeing some of | 0:07:17 | 0:07:22 | |
what has happened, particularly in
the wake of the referendum on | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
Brexit, but we do everything
possible to create environments | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
where people from every walk of life
feel able to put forward. When | 0:07:29 | 0:07:36 | |
speaking to a younger audience
recently, I can understand why they | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
might not want to and we should be
doing ever been possible to | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
encourage people to put themselves
forward. What about at atmosphere | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
within your own party, how should
that be handled when Barack claims | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
made about sexist and anti-Semitic
behaviour -- how should that be | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
handled when claims are made? There
is a number of serious high-profile | 0:07:55 | 0:08:00 | |
cases waiting to be heard and I
don't think that administration | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
should be impediment to taking
action. The problem is Jeremy Corbyn | 0:08:02 | 0:08:12 | |
and John McDonald gives the
appearance of turning a blind eye. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
They never come out out rightly and
condemn political intimidation. They | 0:08:15 | 0:08:20 | |
say they do, of course. John
McDonald has called for zero | 0:08:20 | 0:08:25 | |
tolerance on anti-Semitism, and I
want to see that put into action and | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
the NEC addressing what is a serious
backlog of cases. We'll leave it | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
there. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
Now it's time for our daily quiz. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
The question for today
is what is the Labour Party planning | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
to launch this summer? | 0:08:39 | 0:08:40 | |
Was it... | 0:08:40 | 0:08:41 | |
A - Their manifesto
for the next general election. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
B - A policy paper
on manhole covers. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
C - A Blairite rival
to campaign group Momentum. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
D - Jeremy Corbyn music festival. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
At the end of the show Luciana
and Robert will give | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
us the correct answer. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:52 | |
The government has categorically
ruled out staying in any form | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
of customs union with the EU. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
This comes as Michel Barnier,
the EU's chief Brexit negotiator, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
is expected to arrive
in Downing Street within the hour | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
for talks with the Brexit Secretary
David Davis and Theresa May. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:08 | |
Later this week, there
will be two meetings | 0:09:08 | 0:09:13 | |
of the so-called Brexit War Cabinet,
where senior ministers | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
will try to come to an agreement
on what our future relationship | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
with the EU should look like. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
Last night, a Downing Street source
said: "We are categorically | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
leaving the customs union." | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
The EU's customs union
is an arrangement where goods can | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
move freely inside the union
but tariffs are applied on products | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
coming in from outside countries. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:34 | |
The Downing Street source further
clarified the government's position | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
by saying: "It is not our policy
to stay in a customs union." | 0:09:36 | 0:09:42 | |
But the Home Secretary Amber Rudd
told the BBC yesterday | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
that the government has an "open
mind" about entering "a customs | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
arrangement or a customs
partnership" with the EU. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
And back in January last year,
Theresa May used her Lancaster House | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
speech to say: "I do want us
to have a customs | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
agreement with the EU." | 0:09:57 | 0:10:02 | |
But the government's
latest announcement | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
on the customs union comes
after pressure from Brexiteers. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:08 | |
Yesterday, the Conservative MP
Bernard Jenkin said that ministers | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
are "vague" and "divided" over
Brexit. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
He also accused the Chancellor
Philip Hammond of failing | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
to advocate the government's policy
on the customs union. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
And this morning, The Times
is reporting that the government | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
is considering "a time-limited
extension to elements | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
of the existing customs union". | 0:10:24 | 0:10:30 | |
Joining me now from Reading is
the Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:37 | |
Welcome to The Daily Politics. The
government have ruled out staying in | 0:10:37 | 0:10:43 | |
the customs union or a customs
union, but they might want to be in | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
a customs partnership or a customs
agreement with the EU. It's about as | 0:10:46 | 0:10:52 | |
clear as mud, isn't it? I think it's
clearer than mud. The reason we are | 0:10:52 | 0:10:58 | |
leaving the customs union is because
if we are in the customs union, we | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
give Brussels 100% control of our
trade policy without having any | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
input into it. That would leave us
worse off than staying where we are | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
as members. 90% of the growth of
this century is coming from outside | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
the EU. Britain needs to be where
those markets are. All along it was | 0:11:14 | 0:11:21 | |
clear, in the Lancaster House
speech, in the policy papers, and in | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
this new Department of International
trade, that we were doing our rain | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
trade policy. What does a customs
arrangement mean? That means | 0:11:28 | 0:11:33 | |
procedures that facilitate the
smooth and frictionless flow of | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
goods across borders. For example,
there is something little remarked | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
upon but critical called the common
Customs Convention, which covers all | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
EU countries as well as a lot of
Balkan countries and Turkey which | 0:11:45 | 0:11:52 | |
provides the goods to be transported
without having to show paperwork at | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
borders within the EU. That's the
kind of thing Britain should stay in | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
because we want to have a deal that
makes it as easy as possible to move | 0:12:00 | 0:12:06 | |
goods around. This doesn't exist,
this deal, this customs arrangement | 0:12:06 | 0:12:13 | |
that you have described. This would
be a special arrangement that the EU | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
would have to agree to an British
terms, but as you say would allow | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
them still to strike their own free
trade deals. But, have frictionless | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
trade with perhaps certain goods in
certain sectors. At the moment this | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
doesn't exist. Be common customs
convention is in fourth now. It | 0:12:30 | 0:12:36 | |
covers relationships between the EU
and Switzerland. Over a million | 0:12:36 | 0:12:42 | |
people cross the Swiss border every
day. Because it's on a major haulage | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
route... Switzerland participates in
the single market and signed up to | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
roars of freedom of movement. Yes,
but it's clearly outside the customs | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
union. The single market is a
different question. Switzerland and | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
the Norway- Sweden border are
examples of how you can have fairly | 0:12:58 | 0:13:03 | |
frictionless borders even now. But
yes, we could go further. To be | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
frank, I think the residual 50 dual
physical checks you get even on | 0:13:07 | 0:13:17 | |
about 50% of... Which doesn't exist
in Ireland at the moment. The reason | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
those things are there is because
they were already there. You've got | 0:13:22 | 0:13:27 | |
a unionised customs workforce.
Starting from modern technology, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
with what we have now, both our HMRC
and the Irish equivalent, both heads | 0:13:30 | 0:13:36 | |
of those organisations have made
very clear that an under any | 0:13:36 | 0:13:41 | |
situation there can be a customs
declaration. Is it really sensible | 0:13:41 | 0:13:49 | |
to leave the customs union right now
anyway? Absolutely critical. At the | 0:13:49 | 0:13:55 | |
moment the EU makes up nearly half
of our trade. What solid evidence is | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
there that any trade we lose with
the EU can be made up quickly by | 0:13:59 | 0:14:05 | |
trade deals with countries like
America and China? This is begging | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
the question, the EU accounts for
44% of our trade because we are in a | 0:14:08 | 0:14:16 | |
customs union at artificially
redirected our trade away from | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
global markets. What evidence do you
have that it will make up our volume | 0:14:20 | 0:14:25 | |
of trade that we currently have?
Where is the evidence to say that | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
those free-trade deals will match or
exceed what we currently have? What | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
we want is to have continued
frictionless movement of goods and | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
services with the EU, but greater
opportunity to sign our trade deals | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
with the world's biggest economy the
US, the second-biggest economy | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
China, which the EU doesn't at the
moment. George Osborne says the | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
figures | 0:14:48 | 0:14:53 | |
figures don't add up. The analysis
that was leaked last week, the row | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
over the papers about how much
growth would decrease by under any | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
of these scenarios. On the one they
were talking about leaving the | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
customs union and going on to WTO
terms would increase growth by 8% | 0:15:00 | 0:15:08 | |
over 15 years. A trade deal would
only increase by 0.2%. That is a | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
huge difference. The same officials
said that after a leave vote our GDP | 0:15:13 | 0:15:23 | |
would shrink, it has actually grown.
They said there would be more | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
unemployed people and there has been
a fall of half a million. For give | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
me if I'm a little sceptical about
the same people who blatantly have a | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
preferred outcome having an analysis
that supports their preference. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:41 | |
Britain is a global country. A world
trade. We have been artificially | 0:15:41 | 0:15:47 | |
penalised, more than any other
country by the customs union because | 0:15:47 | 0:15:53 | |
we are usually the only country in
the EU that trade more outside the | 0:15:53 | 0:15:58 | |
EU ban within it. When we have the
freedom to do that again, people | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
will see the price of goods fall,
and we are better off because we | 0:16:02 | 0:16:09 | |
have more money to spend to
stimulate the economy in other | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
areas. When you talk about people
putting out the analysis, do you | 0:16:11 | 0:16:18 | |
agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg that
there is an in-built bias, that they | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
are fiddling the figures? All humans
have a tendency to read figures in a | 0:16:21 | 0:16:30 | |
particular way. All of ours are
subject to confirmation bias and | 0:16:30 | 0:16:35 | |
these ascendancy is. That doesn't
stop being true because you work for | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
the Treasury. The trick in politics
I've learned is direct nice that in | 0:16:39 | 0:16:44 | |
yourself and correct it. I don't
think that has been going on in this | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
case? So you believe there is
in-built bias and they are fiddling | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
the figures and it is not a true
picture of what is going on? They | 0:16:52 | 0:16:59 | |
have been totally wrong so far in
what has happened over the last two | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
years. An impartial assessment might
be let's go back and look at some of | 0:17:02 | 0:17:08 | |
the underlying assumptions made. The
fact that the British economy has | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
grown in defiance of what they have
said might lead them to challenge | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
prejudices. They haven't done that
and have come out with the same | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
flawed analysis but they did during
the referendum. I'm not saying this | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
is deliberately from fiddling the
figures. If you judge to get away | 0:17:25 | 0:17:33 | |
from predictions and look at fact,
if you judge what they have said | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
against what has happened it is very
difficult to take this new analysis | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
seriously. Robert Halfon, Amber Rudd
said that the government hasn't been | 0:17:40 | 0:17:46 | |
intimidated by Brexiteers, but they
have within hours of the weekend's | 0:17:46 | 0:17:54 | |
briefings capitulated on the customs
union. Are they running scared? I | 0:17:54 | 0:18:01 | |
voted remain because I thought it
was right to be part of an alliance | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
of democracies. We didn't vote to be
in parts of it, we voted to leave | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
the EU. My question was are they
running scared of the Brexiteers and | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
putting pressure on Theresa May? In
the Lancaster house speech, she said | 0:18:14 | 0:18:20 | |
that she was going to leave the
customs union. She said this before. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
I don't believe it is some dramatic
change in position. So why does | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
Jacob Rees-Mogg feel the need to
brief in a particular direction? He | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
was talking about the forecasts not
just about the customs union. Is | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
there a need for him to brief in the
way he has against either the | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
Treasury or the civil service?
People have their own view about the | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
Treasury predictions, some of them
have been wrong in the past, no one | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
actually knows what is going to
happen once we leave the European | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
Union but we have to get on with it.
What the government needs to do, the | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
Prime Minister needs to do, is to
set out the policies, everybody | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
should speak with the same hymn
sheet and go out there and sell it | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
to the public who voted to leave.
Luciano, do you believe it is time | 0:19:07 | 0:19:13 | |
for Labour Party to take a firmer
line on the customs union? Vince | 0:19:13 | 0:19:19 | |
Cable said you are colluding with
Brexit by allowing this to happen? I | 0:19:19 | 0:19:26 | |
have been to a front bench awayday
to discuss these issues, faced with | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
the prospect of ten years of
posterity as the leaked reports | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
indicate, I would anticipate that
our front bench will come out very | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
strongly in favour of a customs
union because anything else, as a | 0:19:38 | 0:19:44 | |
constituency MP, I think it is going
to be disastrous in terms of job and | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
our economy. Would you support that
line? Do you think they should be | 0:19:48 | 0:19:53 | |
doing it now? Imminently, there is
going to be this awayday when they | 0:19:53 | 0:19:58 | |
go to look at the evidence. Keir
Starmer has said that he wants to | 0:19:58 | 0:20:05 | |
look closely at the evidence, it is
a result of a Labour motion that we | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
will be able to access and to see
that information and those reports. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
That's critical to arrive at doing
what will be the very best for our | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
country. One of the risks of coming
out of any sort of customs union | 0:20:17 | 0:20:23 | |
with the EU is this hard border. The
issue of the hard border with | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
Ireland. Dan Hanlan said that there
should be ways to get around this | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
but do you accept that there
wouldn't be a majority of MPs that | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
would vote for a deal in that
meaningful vote of coming out of the | 0:20:35 | 0:20:40 | |
customs union? I don't know how
people are going to vote on the day. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
We had a majority to leave the EU.
We had a majority to trigger Article | 0:20:43 | 0:20:50 | |
50. I passionately believe because
the country voted for it and even | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
though I voted against it, we should
get on with it and leave the EU. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
Whether the consequences are good or
not. We have to have a clear message | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
to sell to the public? Has Theresa
May set out clearly what she has | 0:21:03 | 0:21:08 | |
meant? I thought she has in terms of
the speeches made at forums and | 0:21:08 | 0:21:14 | |
Lancaster house and I believe there
is going to be another speech in the | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
near future. We need tablets of
stone from Mount Sinai and every | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
single Cabinet minister needs to
read from those tablets of stone. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:27 | |
The leaving the EU Commandments and
how we are going to do it so we all | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
speak in the same way and sell to
the public how exactly we are | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
leaving. The problem is getting an
agreement on what those tablets of | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
stone should be. Amber Rudd says
there is much more unity than is | 0:21:38 | 0:21:43 | |
reported in the depressed. I can't
be Brexit at any cost. The road we | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
are going down at the moment is that
the consequences will be absolutely | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
fatal. You have no evidence for
that. | 0:21:53 | 0:22:03 | |
that. People are reducing production
because of Brexit. Daniel Hannan, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:12 | |
people have a priori deigned
position in their mind regarding | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
Brexit. So Donnell has said that
Brexiteers are snake all salesman. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:24 | |
It proves the point about whether
people have a set point in their | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
mind. Does it undermine the position
of the civil service? It made clear | 0:22:27 | 0:22:33 | |
where he is coming from. I don't
think it is fair to most civil | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
servants. I don't think anyone would
deny that the majority of our | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
officials voted remain but most of
them are patriotic he doing their | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
best... Is he a snake oil salesman?
I don't think it's fair that we say | 0:22:45 | 0:22:54 | |
that. I think it is important that
we recognise it was a big narrow | 0:22:54 | 0:23:01 | |
vote and that has consequences of
replicating aspects of the single | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
market, an transition, on migration.
There is no argument whatever, none, | 0:23:05 | 0:23:11 | |
for allowing Brussels to control our
trade policy when we have no say | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
over what that should be. Even
worse, when Brussels controls our | 0:23:14 | 0:23:21 | |
trade policy, this is what a customs
union with Turkey means, the result | 0:23:21 | 0:23:26 | |
is Brussels can make you make
concessions without any obligations | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
on the other country to reciprocate.
It is the worst of all possible | 0:23:30 | 0:23:36 | |
worlds. It is incredible that people
are recommending it. If the EU | 0:23:36 | 0:23:41 | |
rejects your scenario, what is more
important, being part of a customs | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
union to continue frictionless trade
or the freedom to strike free trade | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
agreements with other countries? No
question, total freedom to strike | 0:23:49 | 0:23:55 | |
FTAs. Almost all the growth in the
world is coming outside of Europe. | 0:23:55 | 0:24:00 | |
There is no risk of a hard border.
All the people saying listen to the | 0:24:00 | 0:24:05 | |
experts are not listening to the
experts on why we don't need a hard | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
border. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:18 | |
And for more reporting
and analysis of Brexit, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
check out the BBC News
website, that's bbc.co.uk/brexit. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:24 | |
Would you be willing to pay
a separate ring-fenced tax that | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
would only be spent on the NHS
and social care? | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
That's one of the main suggestions
put forward by a panel | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
of experts commissioned
by the Liberal Democrats to look | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
into the future of health care. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
They've just published their report
and some of the other | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
recommendations include:
A real-terms funding increase | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
of £4 billion in 2018-19. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:41 | |
The creation of a new Office
for Budget Responsibility | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
for Health, and the introduction
of incentives to encourage people | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
to save towards social care. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
With me now is one of the report
authors Clare Gerada - | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
she who used to be Chair
of the Royal College of GPs. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
She is also now a Liberal
Democrat supporter. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
Welcome back to the daily politics.
Is this just a way to deceive | 0:24:55 | 0:25:07 | |
voters? That was said a number of
years ago. As a layperson in this, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:16 | |
in terms of fiscal policy, I was
invited onto the committee to have a | 0:25:16 | 0:25:21 | |
look at all the options available to
have some more sustainable secure | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
and really even fund for the NHS.
Having looked at the reports from | 0:25:24 | 0:25:32 | |
various think tanks, one of the best
solutions that myself and the group | 0:25:32 | 0:25:37 | |
came to after deliberating for about
18 months was that a ring fenced tax | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
made up from general taxation, made
up from increase in national | 0:25:41 | 0:25:46 | |
insurance pay for those over 65 or
60 that are still working, seem to | 0:25:46 | 0:25:51 | |
be the fairest and best way of
having sustainable funding for the | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
NHS. One of the writ is as is from
the IFF and Paul Johnson is when we | 0:25:55 | 0:26:01 | |
are in good times there is increased
funding into the NHS. When we have a | 0:26:01 | 0:26:11 | |
financial crash, those receipts will
go down and so will funding for the | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
NHS. Yes. I've now worked for the
NHS for 40 years, we go from feast | 0:26:14 | 0:26:21 | |
or famine and every political cycle.
It's an impossible place to work. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:27 | |
It's an impossible situation to
working. There are advantages and | 0:26:27 | 0:26:36 | |
disadvantages from a bifurcated tax
but the BBC is funded from a | 0:26:36 | 0:26:42 | |
hypothecated tax. I can see whether
spending is going. I can take part | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
in the good and discussion. Has it
got your support? I wrote about this | 0:26:45 | 0:26:52 | |
with Nick Boles and Nick Soames in
the sun. I think it's important that | 0:26:52 | 0:26:58 | |
it should be accompanied by a
10-year plan so that people know | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
what the money is going to be spent
on. I think every ten years, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:06 | |
perhaps, we should look at ideas in
consultation with the British people | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
online or by a referendum, but with
a guarantee of a real terms increase | 0:27:10 | 0:27:16 | |
what ever happens, feast or famine.
The debate would be how much above | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
that real terms increase it would
be. I think it is something all | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
parties should support. Will the
Treasury back it? Jeremy Hunt has | 0:27:25 | 0:27:31 | |
talked about a 10-year plan for the
NHS. He's not the Chancellor. It's | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
been supported by many conservatives
and people in Parliament. We have to | 0:27:35 | 0:27:41 | |
have regular real terms annual
increases in the NHS, 10-year plan, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:46 | |
and a hypothecated tax that deals
with social care. Are you convinced | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
by a hyper the gated tax? We're
having this because we haven't had | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
the investment since the coalition
government of 2010. We have a crisis | 0:27:56 | 0:28:01 | |
in the NHS which says only today we
are having to cancel urgent | 0:28:01 | 0:28:09 | |
operations even if they are on the
list. We haven't seen a 4% increase | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
that we saw under Labour go into the
NHS, of course the NHS should be put | 0:28:13 | 0:28:18 | |
on a sustainable footing. The
government has announced a further | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
£10 billion funding. Even your own
hospital in Liverpool, doctors have | 0:28:22 | 0:28:27 | |
gone up. My mental health service
has been cut by 43%. While we are | 0:28:27 | 0:28:36 | |
trading statistics, do you support
the idea of it being had by the | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
gated? That seems that everybody
seems that it is supporting an | 0:28:40 | 0:28:49 | |
increase. I don't support a
hypothecated tax. I didn't trust | 0:28:49 | 0:28:57 | |
them to top it up. Of course you
would say that as a Labour MP but | 0:28:57 | 0:29:04 | |
even those in the Conservatives,
Gavin Barwell, close adviser to | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
Theresa May said we have lost the
issue of the NHS. He's completely | 0:29:08 | 0:29:14 | |
wrong about that. I've said that
publicly. What I want is a 10-year | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
plan for the NHS, a hypothecated tax
and consultation with the British | 0:29:18 | 0:29:24 | |
people and an annual real term
increase. What you have done is | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
incredibly important. What we should
do is unite with all political | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
parties to find a common solution
for the NHS problem. How much would | 0:29:32 | 0:29:37 | |
you spend if you don't trust the
hypothecated tax being run by the | 0:29:37 | 0:29:42 | |
Conservatives? How much of our GDP
as a percentage should be spent on | 0:29:42 | 0:29:47 | |
health? The one proposal I support
is having an independent body to | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
independently assess and appraise
how much our NHS needs in the same | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
way as we have the budget
responsibility board. I think that's | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
really important to make sure that
the NHS and social care together | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
have enough funding on a sustainable
footing. That's what we don't have | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
at the moment. We've seen cuts to
our health services and our | 0:30:07 | 0:30:12 | |
communities as well which sees more
people present with community and | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
health care needs. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:20 | |
Do you accept radical reform has to
go hand-in-hand with any increase in | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
funding, because otherwise there
won't ever be enough money. We had | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
radical reform in 2012 and it's
created many of the problems we see | 0:30:28 | 0:30:33 | |
today. I think we need reform of the
1911 insurance act because in 1911 | 0:30:33 | 0:30:41 | |
-year-old at 50. Now you're all that
85. At 60 I will pay to reduce | 0:30:41 | 0:30:46 | |
contributions for National Insurance
and that 605I will pay none, despite | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
the fact I'm working, is ridiculous
and an insult to those of my | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
children's age. Would you support
that? It would be something we could | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
look at. These are things which we
need all get together to work out | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
different solutions to. I don't
think we can give an answer today in | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
terms of how we reform the NHS. It's
incredibly complex. What we don't | 0:31:08 | 0:31:14 | |
want is organisational restructure
is. What about Sarah Wollaston, who | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
chairs the health select committee
and suggested people over 40 | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
earnings that incomes should pay
more. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:27 | |
When we work out how that
hypothecated tax works, we have to | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
answer all these questions. I want
to make sure it's fair. Young people | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
also need the help service. We
should be paying a social care tax | 0:31:35 | 0:31:40 | |
and I think is that kicks in at
around the age of 40. We also need | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
to be looking at how we glean ideas
for what the NHS should fund. At the | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
moment it goes from feast to famine.
I agree with Luciana, I think we | 0:31:49 | 0:31:56 | |
need an independent body, clearly
made up of politicians because you | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
are our elected representatives, but
with others. This idea that the NHS | 0:32:00 | 0:32:07 | |
as a GP gets kicked around as a
political football, it must stop. If | 0:32:07 | 0:32:13 | |
we are going to have a hypothecated
tax, we also need to consult with | 0:32:13 | 0:32:17 | |
the British people. They will have
to pay for their health care in some | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
way so we might as well pay for it
through taxation which is the | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
fairest way to pay. We only have to
look at the people who took to the | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
streets this weekend to the NHS is
in crisis. This is an important | 0:32:29 | 0:32:35 | |
conversation about the medium and
long-term health of the NHS. We are | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
in a crisis and we urgently need the
government to address it, and they | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
aren't doing that. Thank you. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
Now, as I said, it's a busy week
in Westminster with Brexit likely | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
to be the main focus. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:49 | |
Here's a rundown of the main stories
over the next few days. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
Tomorrow morning the work
and pensions select committee | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
will give the former bosses
at the construction giant | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
Carillion a grilling. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:57 | |
The company, which holds a large
number of government contracts, | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
went into liquidation last month. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
Wednesday sees Theresa May
and Jeremy Corbyn have their weekly | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
dual at PMQs, and also as we've been
hearing the Brexit Cabinet sub | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
committee, set up to decide
the government's negotiation | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
strategy, meets to try
to thrash out what they want | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
the final deal to look like. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:20 | |
It's such an important
issue the committee meets | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
again on the Thursday
where the Prime Minister will hope | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
an agreement can finally be reached
and then on Friday MPs get | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
a well-earned half-term break
with the House rising for recess. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:36 | |
We're joined now by Anushka Asthana
of The Guardian and Sam | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
Coates of The Times. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
You are braving the freezing cold
weather. First of all, Anushka, what | 0:33:42 | 0:33:48 | |
do you make of the reports saying
that Brexiteers are close to | 0:33:48 | 0:33:54 | |
challenging Theresa May for the
leadership? I think they are trying | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
to remind the Prime Minister that
while there may not be a | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
Parliamentary majority for the type
of Brexit they are seeking, there | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
are clearly enough Brexiteers on her
backbenchers to topple her. You only | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
need 48 to send letters to start a
Tory leadership election. They don't | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
want to do that but they are quite
annoyed at the moment. If you things | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
have got them really annoyed, one is
Philip Hammond talking about modest | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
changes after Brexit. The other is
government legislation going through | 0:34:21 | 0:34:26 | |
at the moment that they think leaves
open the idea we could stay in a | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
customs union. That is why they are
starting to create a lot of noise, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:35 | |
ahead of those two big war cabinets
later in the week. Will this | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
announcement from Number 10 or a
source, say that the UK will | 0:34:39 | 0:34:47 | |
categorically be outside a customs
union, will that cause Brexiteers to | 0:34:47 | 0:34:52 | |
take stock? I'm not sure it's a
massive advance on what we thought | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
was happening anyway. I think you
can see the outline of some kind of | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
compromise on customs that could be
agreed as early as this week. You've | 0:34:59 | 0:35:04 | |
got a concession from the Remainers.
Philip Hammond would say I accept | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
the need for Britain to strike
free-trade deals in the future and | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
to be enough out of the customs
union to do that. But we ask the | 0:35:11 | 0:35:16 | |
Brexiteers and the war Cabinet has
an thing too. We want them to make | 0:35:16 | 0:35:20 | |
sure we don't do things
precipitously that might cause an | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
economic shock in the meantime. He
wants to make sure we don't pull out | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
of the customs union arrangements to
seem. I think you are seeing the | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
outline of a compromise that will
see us staying in some of the | 0:35:30 | 0:35:35 | |
structures of the customs union for
a little while longer and then | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
Philip Hammond conceding in the end
we have to come out of them but not | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
for quite a while. The debate you
saw last night is a bit of a | 0:35:42 | 0:35:47 | |
sideshow. Everyone thought they
understood it but it's what lies | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
beneath that is important. Both
sides will be focused on that. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:57 | |
Anushka, Amber Rudd said yesterday
the government won't be intimidated | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
by the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg and
other Brexiteers. In the end she | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
could find a path through the
warring sides and hold onto being | 0:36:04 | 0:36:09 | |
Prime Minister. I think if you look
back to what she said in her | 0:36:09 | 0:36:14 | |
Lancaster House speech which was
quite significant, as Sam said, it | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
wasn't quite black or white. She
talked about the possibility of some | 0:36:17 | 0:36:23 | |
sort of associate membership of
parts of the customs union. The key, | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
and this really is key and is what
the Brexiteers want to hold onto, is | 0:36:27 | 0:36:35 | |
that the Prime Minister said there
won't be any external tariff that we | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
accept. We went to be part of the
common commercial policy which means | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
we will be able to strike trade
deals with other countries. The | 0:36:40 | 0:36:46 | |
government's public position on that
hasn't actually changed but there's | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
a lot of scepticism around whether
Treasury officials want to go | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
further than that. If she sticks to
what she said in the Lancaster House | 0:36:52 | 0:36:57 | |
speech, perhaps they could get
towards the sort of compromise plan | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
is talking about. It's all about
getting the Cabinet on board. Where | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
is the biggest dividing line in
terms of personalities within the | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
Cabinet on bringing them together to
have this public statement on where | 0:37:07 | 0:37:12 | |
the UK's position should be? The
division within the War Cabinet is | 0:37:12 | 0:37:17 | |
where it's always been. Michael
Gove, Boris Johnson on one side, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
Philip Hammond and Amber Rudd on the
other. Michael Gove is thought by | 0:37:21 | 0:37:28 | |
some in Downing Street to be a bit
more emollient than Boris Johnson. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
Can I dispute the main point of the
question. I'm not sure that where | 0:37:32 | 0:37:37 | |
the Cabinet is is actually the
biggest question we face. The | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
Cabinet could come up with an
agreement. We could hear cheering | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
from all around us and then Europe
says no. The problem with a fudge is | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
I'm not sure it passes muster in
Brussels. Whatever agreement they | 0:37:49 | 0:37:55 | |
come to this week must then hit the
cold hard reality of the | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
negotiation. If you get rejected,
that's where things get difficult. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
Are you expecting an announcement
from Labour to clearly state that | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
they would like the country to stay
in a customs union with the EU to | 0:38:06 | 0:38:12 | |
continue frictionless trade and
avoid a hard border in Ireland? It's | 0:38:12 | 0:38:17 | |
very clear that Labour needs to get
their position on this set in stone | 0:38:17 | 0:38:21 | |
as well. There are some
disagreements. They have an away day | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
planned that which some of these
issues will be discussed. People | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
around the leadership insist there's
not going to be an absolute hard and | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
fast decision coming out of that.
Others in that other Cabinet say | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
this is an issue they will need to
get right. Part of the reason they | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
need to get it right is a lot of
legislation going through Parliament | 0:38:39 | 0:38:44 | |
in which parties will have to put
forward what is their position on | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
exactly this issue. Although I do
think the idea of a customs union or | 0:38:48 | 0:38:55 | |
the customs union is a bit too
simplistic from where the country | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
will be eventually negotiating.
Where Theresa May gets away with it | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
so far is some might argue that she
is saying she wants this close as | 0:39:02 | 0:39:07 | |
possible arrangement but she also
says we aren't going to meet the | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
obligations the EU might demand in
order to get that arrangement. As | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
some have put it, a cake and eating
it scenario. The question is, what | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
happens if you had to come down one
way or the other? I will let you | 0:39:18 | 0:39:24 | |
both get warm. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
Let's pick up on some of those
points with my guests. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
Luciana, it's clear where you stand
on the issue of Brexit and you would | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
like the Labour Party to pronounce a
clear policy of staying in the | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
customs union, or a customs union.
If they don't, what will you and | 0:39:37 | 0:39:41 | |
your colleagues do? I understand the
awayday that Anushka referred to is | 0:39:41 | 0:39:47 | |
coming up soon. If they don't, and
there's no evidence they will | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
necessarily up with a clear policy,
what will you do with Chuka Umunna, | 0:39:50 | 0:39:55 | |
Heidi Alexander? I want everyone to
look closely at the evidence. In the | 0:39:55 | 0:40:00 | |
wake of the vote we had in
Parliament last week that means | 0:40:00 | 0:40:08 | |
evidence is presented to the select
committee, Keir Starmer wants to | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
look at that evidence. I would
anticipate looking at that evidence, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:17 | |
that faced with what I expect to be
ten years of austerity, that we will | 0:40:17 | 0:40:23 | |
see some decisions made from the
front bench. There are different | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
views. Amongst the front bench
they've got to come to a decision. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
It is for them to arrive at that
decision. I think faced with the | 0:40:30 | 0:40:35 | |
evidence Sir Keir Starmer wanted to
see, that that's the decision they | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
will arrive that. When it comes to
the meaningful vote later this year, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:43 | |
Labour MPs like yourself vote down a
deal that includes Britain remaining | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
in the customs union, what happens
then? If the vote is lost by the | 0:40:47 | 0:40:52 | |
government, what do you think
happens? We've got obviously a | 0:40:52 | 0:40:58 | |
number of months to go before that
fateful take place. There's a number | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
of different steps to go through.
There's the committee stage which | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
will be an opportunity for many MPs
to contribute to. That is a long way | 0:41:05 | 0:41:10 | |
off. There's an opportunity as both
the opposition and the government to | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
ensure we are doing the best for the
country. That's what I'll be looking | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
forward to. Would you expect Labour
to be pulling ahead in the polls by | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
now? We know that politics is very
fluid. We only have to look at the | 0:41:22 | 0:41:27 | |
polls at the last general
election... They've been on level | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
pegging for quite a long time. If we
look at the polls for the 2017 | 0:41:29 | 0:41:34 | |
general election, the result that
came out of that was different to | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
what the polls told us. I don't
believe anything I read in the | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
polls. Do you still feel that issues
that are important to voters, the | 0:41:40 | 0:41:48 | |
NHS, housing, education, are being
stifled by Brexit? I think Brexit | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
takes over everything and our small
majority doesn't help, but I think | 0:41:52 | 0:41:57 | |
it's vital we get onto those issues
of the NHS, skills, to social | 0:41:57 | 0:42:03 | |
justice, the cost of living and of
course housing and social housing. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
The government confirmed a few weeks
ago that funding for 16-18 | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
-year-olds in colleges and sixth
forms won't increase, which is a | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
growing concern amongst Conservative
MPs like yourself. Is it another | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
time for the party, for the
government, to be bowled on policy | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
areas or is it too much of a risk?
We need to be dramatic, radical, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:27 | |
incredibly bold. We need to have a
brand-new skills policy. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:35 | |
brand-new skills policy. One.
Automation means roughly 30% of jobs | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
currently done by 16-24 -year-olds
are under threat. We face the march | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
of the robots. It's good the
government have given an extra £500 | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
million for technical skills but we
need to completely reform the | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
offering and our higher education
offering as well. Is there any | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
evidence Theresa May is going to
meet those challenges? She said so | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
on the steps of Downing Street. That
was a long time ago. It was, and I | 0:42:55 | 0:43:00 | |
was inspired by what she said. Many
people were. She needs to get back | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
to that. There has | 0:43:04 | 0:43:10 | |
to that. There has been a
distraction of the majority in | 0:43:11 | 0:43:12 | |
parliament and Brexit. We have to
get back to the NHS skills, housing, | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
the cost of living. How detrimental
will it be if she doesn't? It will | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
be significantly damaging. On some
things the government are doing very | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
well, particularly on cutting
unemployment. We now have over 2.5 | 0:43:23 | 0:43:27 | |
million apprentices. There are some
very good things going on but we | 0:43:27 | 0:43:35 | |
need to show the electorate that we
have a vision, that we have a | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
narrative about what the
Conservative Party is for, and that | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
we are there offer this ladder of
opportunity. How optimistic are you | 0:43:42 | 0:43:47 | |
she can change her leadership style
to be bold, radical and dramatic and | 0:43:47 | 0:43:51 | |
do the things you've set out? I
don't want her to change. I want her | 0:43:51 | 0:43:56 | |
to go back to the Theresa May on the
steps of Downing Street. They were | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
just words. She set out a serious
agenda and I wanted to implement | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
that. Use that speech as a road map
for Britain and come out with some | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 | |
radical solutions. It doesn't matter
if we lose votes in parliament. This | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
is always the fear. If the public
see we are doing the right thing on | 0:44:12 | 0:44:17 | |
social housing for example, and
don't win a vote, it doesn't matter. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:24 | |
We can then put those things in the
manifesto at an election. You | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
compared her policy-making style to
that of a tort is, has anything | 0:44:29 | 0:44:31 | |
changed? That was only a week ago.
-- tort tortoise. I wanted to do | 0:44:31 | 0:44:39 | |
things that are counterintuitive, to
transform our Conservative Party and | 0:44:39 | 0:44:43 | |
focus on those issues I mentioned.
The speech where the Prime Minister | 0:44:43 | 0:44:47 | |
spoke about those burning injustices
she wanted to address, the gaps have | 0:44:47 | 0:44:51 | |
only got wider since then. There's
been so little action on those | 0:44:51 | 0:44:56 | |
policy areas. Which Robert Halfon
has conceded. Could a leadership | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
contest clear this up? I'm utterly
against opposing a sitting Prime | 0:45:00 | 0:45:05 | |
Minister. I've also described her as
like Zebedee from the Magic | 0:45:05 | 0:45:10 | |
roundabout because she's incredibly
resilient. I admire that and I think | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
the public admire that. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:20 | |
the public admire that. I think she
deserves loyalty and support but I | 0:45:20 | 0:45:25 | |
would urge her to be more radical. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:31 | |
In 2013, when Michael Gove
the then-Education Secretary drafted | 0:45:36 | 0:45:38 | |
the new history A-Level,
it was intended to provide a more | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
rounded world view of the subject. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:42 | |
But not everyone is convinced. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
In today's Soapbox, Rupa Huq,
MP for Ealing and Central Acton, | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
explains why she thinks history
is being rewritten. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:53 | |
GUITAR MUSIC. | 0:45:53 | 0:46:00 | |
Although my schooldays
long ended back in 1990, | 0:46:00 | 0:46:04 | |
I have been back to school since. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
First as a parent, and now as an MP. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
I frequently do assemblies
in my constituency. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
It was at one of these
last week, that I discovered | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
that the Conservatives are
quite literally rewriting history. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
I discovered that, alarmingly,
the current A-level modern British | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
history curriculum is blatantly
biased, bending over | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
backwards to paint
the Conservatives in a good light. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:34 | |
No mention is made of
the Blair Brown governments, | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
starting with the 1997 landslide,
which bequeathed us the minimum wage | 0:46:37 | 0:46:41 | |
and ended child poverty and youth
unemployment for a generation. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:47 | |
But even if excluding that period
can be explained away as being too | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
recent to be history,
there's the inexcusable, | 0:46:50 | 0:46:54 | |
glaring blind spot of the great 1945
Labour government under | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
which the welfare state
and the NHS were both born. | 0:46:57 | 0:47:03 | |
To understand our present
and future, one must | 0:47:03 | 0:47:07 | |
understand our past,
and that includes the 1944 | 0:47:07 | 0:47:11 | |
Butler Education Act,
the advent of the NHS in 1948, | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
and even the expansion
of John Major's PFI under | 0:47:15 | 0:47:17 | |
New Labour, which all resonate
with current debates | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
on the school funding formula,
the NHS winter crisis, | 0:47:20 | 0:47:23 | |
and the collapse of Carillion. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:31 | |
This is not about unduly bigging up
labour, but surely credit should | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
be given where credit is due,
and it is dangerous to deny | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
that these things ever happened. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:38 | |
All major historical
tides should be included, | 0:47:38 | 0:47:42 | |
rather than selectively
and going through cherry picked bits | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
to present a partial picture,
which will only result | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
in brainwashing our kids. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
And Rupa Huq joins me
now from Cardiff. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
Do you regard this as censure ship
by the Conservative government? It | 0:47:55 | 0:48:02 | |
seems that there are lots of bits
missing from this new timeline | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
that's been put in place since 2014,
suspiciously. I've had loads of | 0:48:06 | 0:48:12 | |
teachers e-mailing me since I ask
that question a week ago. They said | 0:48:12 | 0:48:17 | |
there is no mention of the miners
strike, Orgreave is not there, the | 0:48:17 | 0:48:22 | |
poll tax which brought down Thatcher
merits only a small paragraph in the | 0:48:22 | 0:48:26 | |
main textbook. Nothing about women,
LGBT rights, apparently did number | 0:48:26 | 0:48:34 | |
of women compared to men in the
syllabus is one to 100. To challenge | 0:48:34 | 0:48:39 | |
your claim, the Department has said
that the curriculum requires | 0:48:39 | 0:48:44 | |
students to build on their
understanding of the past and build | 0:48:44 | 0:48:48 | |
a broad and balanced course of study
which means opposing views are | 0:48:48 | 0:48:54 | |
considered which couldn't be
achieved by ignoring a specific | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
party from that period. Surely
that's true. History is so broad | 0:48:57 | 0:49:02 | |
that you have to be selective in any
curriculum that they have done a | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
syllabus which is 1930-51 and there
is 51-97. It is all through the | 0:49:06 | 0:49:17 | |
prism of Churchill. This
hagiography. If you latch onto | 0:49:17 | 0:49:24 | |
characters it can make it more
interesting but this hagiography, in | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
the words of a leading public school
teacher from the south-west, is very | 0:49:27 | 0:49:32 | |
disturbing. It cannot be the case
that if the Conservatives were | 0:49:32 | 0:49:39 | |
trying to rewrite history, wouldn't
they be doing it all across the exam | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
boards. There are now only three
boards. Not like when you and I were | 0:49:42 | 0:49:47 | |
at school. There is age you ate,
Pearson, and OCR, OCR has the lion's | 0:49:47 | 0:49:55 | |
share of the market. The Pearson has
a general strike module, that one of | 0:49:55 | 0:50:03 | |
the teachers wrote to me, teachers
are saying they are going to down | 0:50:03 | 0:50:08 | |
tools, they are so disillusioned. We
have the chair of the education | 0:50:08 | 0:50:14 | |
select committee. You must be
horrified if there is a conspiracy | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
that is fed into A-level history
dates 1951-97 where the | 0:50:18 | 0:50:25 | |
Conservatives dominate, is actually
going to be the subject of... When I | 0:50:25 | 0:50:30 | |
was at school I learned about the
NHS. We are talking about now. I | 0:50:30 | 0:50:37 | |
think this is a bit of an
exaggeration. Some of the greatest | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
events of the century were shaped by
Conservatives, Winston Churchill, | 0:50:41 | 0:50:46 | |
Margaret Thatcher, the first woman
Prime Minister. You learned about | 0:50:46 | 0:50:51 | |
why Churchill lost the election and
was re-elected afterwards. We can't | 0:50:51 | 0:50:56 | |
help it if some of the greatest
events in the 20th century were | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
shaped by Conservatives. If there is
the wealth of evidence that Rupa | 0:51:00 | 0:51:05 | |
Hook has set out, should your
committee be looking into this? I'm | 0:51:05 | 0:51:11 | |
always happy to look at things but I
think there are bigger priority to | 0:51:11 | 0:51:16 | |
worry about in terms of difficulties
in school, in terms of education, in | 0:51:16 | 0:51:21 | |
terms of alternative provision. Do
you accept that? There are bigger | 0:51:21 | 0:51:26 | |
issues. I think it's not mutually
exclusive, a binary either raw. The | 0:51:26 | 0:51:34 | |
1945 election is given as an example
of Churchill's wartime leadership. I | 0:51:34 | 0:51:40 | |
had to write essays about why
Churchill lost that election and | 0:51:40 | 0:51:44 | |
about the Labour government and the
introduction of the welfare state. I | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
remember it very well. Is this a
serious allegation? Do you have | 0:51:47 | 0:51:54 | |
confidence in the syllabus of
A-level history if it is being | 0:51:54 | 0:51:58 | |
written in a biased way to look at
the Conservatives over Labour | 0:51:58 | 0:52:01 | |
achievements? I don't think the
periods of history where we had a | 0:52:01 | 0:52:06 | |
Labour government should be omitted.
I was there when Rupa asked her | 0:52:06 | 0:52:11 | |
question. I listened very closely to
Nick Gibbon's response. He made no | 0:52:11 | 0:52:17 | |
apology and that knowledge that
essentially the curriculum is where | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
it is and said it was a result of a
consultation. Many consultations | 0:52:21 | 0:52:26 | |
take place in government where
people don't listen to all the | 0:52:26 | 0:52:31 | |
contributors and therefore perhaps
this is something that should be | 0:52:31 | 0:52:33 | |
looked at again. Rupert, you have
said that when they looked at the | 0:52:33 | 0:52:39 | |
1945 at league Labour government
they skewed it to look at the | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
achievements of Churchill as a war
leader. Individual courses are | 0:52:43 | 0:52:48 | |
decided by exam boards, are they
complicit in this? The direction is | 0:52:48 | 0:52:53 | |
set from the top. Candidates are as
to identify Conservative strength | 0:52:53 | 0:52:59 | |
and Labour weaknesses, that looks so
lopsided. I'd like to see this but | 0:52:59 | 0:53:03 | |
it's a bit of a mountain out of a
molehill. You might say that from | 0:53:03 | 0:53:08 | |
your perspective. The greatest
events in the 20th century were | 0:53:08 | 0:53:14 | |
shaped by conservative bright
ministers, the first Prime Minister | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
as a woman, Churchill, the wartime
leader, there's a fantastic film at | 0:53:17 | 0:53:21 | |
the moment. It's inevitable that
these things will have problems. So | 0:53:21 | 0:53:29 | |
you seem to be conceding that there
is going to be a predominance of | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
focus in an academic subject like
modern British history on the | 0:53:32 | 0:53:37 | |
Conservative achievements of the
century. I was saying that | 0:53:37 | 0:53:43 | |
conservatives had such air impact on
public life that it's inevitable | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
that people are going to study them
in a big way for stuff I do not | 0:53:46 | 0:53:51 | |
accept that. Labour leaders and
governments made a massive | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
contribution and should be included.
Are you going to look at asking | 0:53:54 | 0:54:03 | |
Robert Halfon's committee to look at
this? He's a nice chap. I think we | 0:54:03 | 0:54:07 | |
should do. And we will look at it. I
will look at it. I can't have formal | 0:54:07 | 0:54:15 | |
enquiry but I will look at it
seriously. They laugh. Have a look | 0:54:15 | 0:54:19 | |
and see what you find out. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:22 | |
There's just time before we go
to find out the answer to our quiz. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
The question for today
was what is the Labour Party | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
planning to launch this summer? | 0:54:28 | 0:54:32 | |
Was it Their manifesto for the next
general election | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
A policy paper
on manhole covers | 0:54:34 | 0:54:39 | |
A Blairite rival
to campaign group Momentum | 0:54:39 | 0:54:44 | |
or Jeremy Corbyn music festival
So Luciana and Robert. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
What's
the correct answer? | 0:54:46 | 0:54:50 | |
Is it the festival. Yes. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:55 | |
Who can forget the chants of "Oh,
Jeremy Corbyn" ringing out | 0:54:55 | 0:54:57 | |
across Glastonbury last year. | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
As the Labour leader took
to the Pyramid stage and addressed | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
thousands of muddy festival goers? | 0:55:01 | 0:55:02 | |
Well as the festival isn't on this
year, Labour Party bosses are set | 0:55:02 | 0:55:06 | |
to stage their own "JezFest"
or "Corbynbury" | 0:55:06 | 0:55:07 | |
in North London in June. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
They're expecting 10,000 people
to attend the "Labour Live" event. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:14 | |
But what use are festivals
to politicians or | 0:55:14 | 0:55:16 | |
politicians to festivals? | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
To help me answer that
question is the Labour | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
activist Crispin Flintoff,
founder of Stand Up for Labour, | 0:55:21 | 0:55:25 | |
which has organised a series
of comedy gigs across the country | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
to campaign for Labour. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
Welcome to the Daily Politics. What
is the aim of this festival? I don't | 0:55:30 | 0:55:39 | |
know anything about this festival.
Are you the right person? It's one | 0:55:39 | 0:55:46 | |
of those BBC blunders. You're not
the taxi driver from outside that | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
has come in? I put on comedy events
for the Labour Party. It's important | 0:55:50 | 0:55:56 | |
that we engage people in politics
because there are so few people | 0:55:56 | 0:56:01 | |
getting involved. There are a lot of
people getting involved in Labour | 0:56:01 | 0:56:05 | |
Party politics. I still don't think
there are not enough. We should have | 0:56:05 | 0:56:13 | |
a million members. We should have as
many Tories as they are happy with. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:19 | |
How many Tories would you be happy
with? Generally, in terms of | 0:56:19 | 0:56:25 | |
membership. We need a lot more of
those. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:29 | |
membership. We need a lot more of
those. To these | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
membership. We need a lot more of
those. To these events translate | 0:56:32 | 0:56:33 | |
into votes for Jeremy Corbyn at a
general election? People get | 0:56:33 | 0:56:38 | |
motivated. People coming together is
a very good way to get spirits up | 0:56:38 | 0:56:44 | |
and people start thinking about they
can stand for election, for office, | 0:56:44 | 0:56:49 | |
that mushrooms out to their family
and friends and communities. Is it a | 0:56:49 | 0:56:54 | |
case of just preaching to the
converted? Don't the people who come | 0:56:54 | 0:56:59 | |
along to anything that is geared
towards a political party just echo | 0:56:59 | 0:57:03 | |
what you already feel and believe
in? It's about raising their spirits | 0:57:03 | 0:57:08 | |
and making them strong enough to
talk to people who are not so sure | 0:57:08 | 0:57:13 | |
about politics. You have to find
events that people want to get | 0:57:13 | 0:57:17 | |
involved with. The | 0:57:17 | 0:57:22 | |
involved with. The had political
system is very dry for people who | 0:57:22 | 0:57:25 | |
are not involved in politics
already. You have to put on | 0:57:25 | 0:57:29 | |
alternatives. There are a lot of
people out there who are despairing | 0:57:29 | 0:57:33 | |
at what is happening with the
country and don't feel there is any | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
hope. If they got into politics,
they might feel there is a way out | 0:57:37 | 0:57:42 | |
of it. Are the Conservatives
catching up in this sort of way of | 0:57:42 | 0:57:47 | |
becoming accessible to young voters?
George Freeman was talking about his | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
big tent ideas festival but it
doesn't seem to be nearly as | 0:57:51 | 0:57:55 | |
successful as Jeremy Corbyn events.
We need to do a lot more things like | 0:57:55 | 0:57:59 | |
this. Most people will be looking at
Love Island when Jezfest is on. I | 0:57:59 | 0:58:13 | |
think it is OK as long as it doesn't
become cult worship of Jeremy | 0:58:13 | 0:58:18 | |
Corbyn. We need to reach out to our
younger voters. Do you think you are | 0:58:18 | 0:58:24 | |
going to get new voters by doing the
sort of things or are they | 0:58:24 | 0:58:29 | |
reinforcing members already? We have
had members and nonmembers coming | 0:58:29 | 0:58:38 | |
together because of shared Labour
values. We don't know the exact | 0:58:38 | 0:58:42 | |
details of what this festival might
be but if it is going to be a thing, | 0:58:42 | 0:58:48 | |
I think it should get across the
country and not just north London. | 0:58:48 | 0:58:52 | |
Thanks much for coming on the
programme. | 0:58:52 | 0:58:54 | |
That's all for today. | 0:58:54 | 0:58:55 | |
I'll be here again at noon
tomorrow with all the big | 0:58:56 | 0:58:59 | |
political stories of the day. | 0:58:59 | 0:59:00 | |
Do join me then. | 0:59:00 | 0:59:01 | |
Bye-bye. | 0:59:01 | 0:59:03 |