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Morning folks - welcome

to the Daily Politics.

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Theresa May's key Brexit committee

of senior ministers meets today

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to agree the Government's

negotiating priorities for the next

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phase of Brexit talks.

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Can they come to a consensus or are

they still hopelessly divided?

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In Brussels, draft EU plans

for a Brexit transition period

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are leaked showing the bloc wants

the power to punish Britain

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if it's deemed to break any

transitional arrangements,

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without reference to

the European Court of Justice.

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Adult social care services will get

an extra £150 million this year.

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The extra cash appears

to have headed off

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a parliamentary rebellion,

but council chiefs say the long-term

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funding pressures haven't gone away.

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After the B-team last week

normal service resumes

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at Prime Minister's Questions today

- it's May versus Corbyn

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in the final bout before

the half-term recess.

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We'll have the action live

and uninterrupted from midday.

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All that in the next 90

minutes, and with me today

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are the International Trade Minister

Greg Hands and the Shadow Transport

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Minister Rachael Maskell.

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Happily, I can confirm

there is absolutely no gap in pay

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between my two guests today.

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That's because we're not paying

either of them anything to be here.

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Welcome to you both.

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Good morning.

They are on zero-hour

contracts.

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The EU wants to be able to restrict

the UK's access to the single market

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and impose tariffs if the Brussels

Commission deems Britain

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to have broken aspects

of a transitional agreement.

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It wants the ability

to do this quickly,

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without recourse to the ECJ.

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That's according to official EU

papers leaked to the media last

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night and published today.

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As you can imagine, Tory Brexiteers

aren't too impressed -

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Jacob Rees-Mogg called the EU's

position "aggressive."

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And later today, Theresa May

will chair the first of two meetings

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of her Brexit war cabinet

and this is just one more

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problem on her plate.

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Here's Ellie with all the details.

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That's right, Andrew -

the European Union Exit

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and Trade Strategy and Negotiations

sub-committee, or to give

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it its more exciting name,

the "war cabinet", is chaired

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by the Prime Minister

and consists of ten

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other senior ministers.

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Today they will discuss

Northern Ireland and immigration

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in the first of two crunch meetings.

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And tomorrow they'll move

on to trade and the future

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economic partnership.

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So will we get any firm

decisions on the UK position?

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Probably not.

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And today the British Chambers

of Commerce has written

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to the Prime Minister calling

for more clarity,

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urging ministers to "deliver

a clear, unequivocal,

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statement of intent" on Brexit.

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And this morning the EU has

published a draft section

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of the final Withdrawal Agreement,

saying that there should be

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a mechanism allowing the EU

to "suspend certain benefits"

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of single market membership

during the transition period.

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The UK Government has sought to play

down the leak, saying: "This

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is a draft document produced

by the EU that simply

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reflects their stated directives."

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Both sides are hoping to be able

to reach agreement on the terms

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of the implementation or "transition

period" by the time they meet at the

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European Council summit in March.

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Thanks, Ellie. What is the British

Government position? Are we prepared

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to negotiate Britain on sanctions on

punishments -- and punishment if we

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had deemed to have broken the

transitional agreement?

This is a

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draft document and is obviously

about the rules of what the period

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will be. I will say that in previous

times Brussels have been clear that

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they don't want to punish Britain,

and actually very much in terms of

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the trade flows, and we have to

remember it is very much in the EU's

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interests to keep trade flowing...

Sure, I know that, but the talk is

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if they deem us to have broken any

aspect of the traditional agreement

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Brussels would have the power to

grow and British flights, suspend

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access to the single market and even

impose tariffs on British goods. Are

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we prepared to negotiate on that

basis?

Looks, that will be in terms

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of the details of how the

implementation period work and that

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is subject to the negotiation, but

on the specific points we have to

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remember it is also in the EU

interests to keep trade flowing and

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to keep flights between the EU and

the UK, so why would they want...

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They are saying if we agree to a

transitional period which they then

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deem we have broken aspect of, they

want the power to have sanctions

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against us, and these sanctions

could include grounding flights in

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Britain or tariffs against certain

manufacturers that are deemed to

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have broken the transitional

arrangement. I ask again, is the

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British Government prepared to

negotiate on that basis?

Looks, we

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will sort it out, there will be an

negotiation of how the

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implementation period works. I am

saying it would be logical for that

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you'd want to ground flights between

you and the UK.

It is in the

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document which I have here. They

want to suspend certain benefits

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derived very from the UK position in

the internal market where it

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considers referring to the court

would not happen in time. It needs a

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mechanism for them to be able to

respond. Let me try a third time.

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Are we prepared to negotiate on

sanctions if we are deemed to have

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broken a transitional agreement?

This is a draft document, I will be

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clear again, it will not be in the

EU's interest...

It is the

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negotiating document am a minister.

That is the EU's position. I will

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try to break my rule because I

normally only go three times. I will

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try for a fourth time. What is the

British Government's negotiating

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position? Is it prepared to

negotiate on this basis?

We will

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come to an agreement on the terms of

the limitation period, that is what

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we will negotiate, and we will

not...

Will you accept sanctions if

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you are deemed to have broken the

deal? I know what the EU position

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is. I am trying to get the British

Government's position. Mind you,

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trying on any issue is pretty much a

lost cause these days, so let me try

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again. What is our negotiating

position? Are we prepared to

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negotiate any kind of sanctions or

not?

We will have to see how we will

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enter this negotiation. What I am

saying is a lot of what is published

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there is a logical. Why would you

want to ground flights were

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presumably half of the passengers

are coming from the European Union?

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For you would be against it?

I am

saying let's look at it over the

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implementation be a... Lets wait for

that negotiation. It's not for me

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today to pre-empt a negotiation.

No,

but it is for you as a member of the

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British Government to tell this

country what our negotiating

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position is as a country, and you

are incapable of doing that.

The

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negotiation hasn't started yet,

Andrew.

The EU has published its

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side and I am asking a simple

question on behalf of the British

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voter, what is our side?

A draft EU

document you have said that four

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times but it is a negotiating

document, the position paper on

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transitional arrangements and the

withdrawal agreement. This is the

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document. But, Andrew, we will

negotiate about the terms...

Would

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Labour agree to this?

The problem at

the moment is we haven't even agreed

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a transition period.

Would Labour

agree to it?

We would be in a far

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different position.

But you are not.

With Labour agree to that?

We

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clearly are because we are not in

power at the moment.

There could be

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an election any day. Your party is

on an election war footing, Mr

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Corbyn has told us that many claims,

so if it falls to you to negotiate,

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would it -- which it could, would

you agree to this document?

We would

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not be in this position.

I'm sorry,

but you would inherit this. You

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quite rightly constantly complain it

is hard to get a position out of the

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Government, who won't answer, and we

have seen that this morning, but I

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am asking you as an alternate

Government of this country, what

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would your position be when faced

with this negotiating demand?

I have

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been absolutely clear that we

wouldn't even be discussing this

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document been very clear on what we

look to the future which is very

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different from the position of the

Government which, quite frankly, is

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in complete chaos.

You think if

there was a Labour Government this

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document would be withdrawn?

It

would be a very different

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negotiating period. Firstly, we

would be clear on transition

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agreements, that we would stay in

the single market and the customs

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union, we are not messing around

with the European Union...

What this

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document is about is the

transitional period, so the

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Government says it will stay in the

customs union as well during the

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transitional period. What would you

as part of the transitional

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agreement, that you say you have

been very clear about, except these

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sanctions?

We would not be in the

position of having to because we

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would be so clear about our

relationship with Europe, about...

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I'm sorry, whatever the relationship

you need transitional arrangements

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for them and you need a dispute

mechanism if someone is found in

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breach. This is the EU's suggested

dispute mechanism. Do you accept it,

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or don't you?

Clearly there needs to

be sanctions on both sides with any

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agreement is moving forward, that is

always the case in a negotiation.

So

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you would accept these sanctions?

But whether it is about those

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sanctions or obviously the sanctions

placed on the EU, but where we have

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been very clear is the transition on

the same terms we are on now and

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therefore the EU, and Labour has

been clear about where we stand on

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these issues.

Lets come onto the

customs union. Am I right that it is

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the Government position during the

transition we stay in the customs

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union?

We haven't yet negotiated the

transition period.

But what is your

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position?

Position is we will be

leaving the customs union at the end

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state.

I'm not asking that. I'm

sorry to interrupt, but you simply

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won't address any of the questions I

am asking. I

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am asking. I notice the Government

position we leave the customs union.

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We will even leave a customs union

after the transition. My question

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was quite clear. It was your

Government policy, that you would

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stay in the customs union during the

transition period...

We want there

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to be only one change throughout all

of this, that businesses only have

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to prepare a for one change in terms

of the current trading relations

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with the European Union.

Are we in

or out of the customs union during

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the transition period? Labour-saving

would stay in. What would you do?

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That would be a matter for the

negotiation -- the Labour Party say

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that they will stay in. It is not a

matter for the negotiation.

I am

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asking for your position going into

the negotiation. Is it your position

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that you will accept membership of

the customs union during the

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transition?

Andrew, that is a matter

for the negotiation and I will not

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tell you today what our starting

position will be, before the

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negotiators have even started.

You

are negotiating on behalf of the

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British people and we have a right

to know.

What I am telling you is

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the position and it has been laid

clear over the last year, we are

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leaving the single market and the

customs union.

We know that

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afterward, but are you telling me

this morning, even at this stage, I

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mean, I must confess, I am mistaken,

because I thought it was Government

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policy to stay in the customs union

and the single market, like Labour,

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during the transition period. You're

telling me this morning that

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position has not yet been

determined?

I am telling you we want

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to preserve the same terms of trade

during the implementation period as

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is currently in place today.

So you

will stay in the customs union? I'm

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not asking about the end state for

the moment, Minister. I'm asking

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about the transition period. Are you

telling me we will be in the customs

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union for the transition period or

are you not?

I am telling you that

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as a matter for a negotiation that

hasn't yet started.

No! It is a

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matter for us to find out what the

Government position is going into

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the negotiations, and at this late

stage you cannot even tell me that?

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A negotiation that hasn't yet

started.

It can't start until you

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make up your mind what you want.

What is the point of negotiating if

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you can't make up your mind?

That is

not the case at all. The

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Government's position in terms of

long-term position is clear. We want

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the implementation period to be on

the same terms of trade as today.

Is

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that a convoluted way of saying you

will stay in the customs union

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during the transition period?

No, it

is a way of saying keeping the same

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terms of trade as today.

That is the

customs union, what we have.

That is

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your inference.

We are in the

customs union.

We are going into

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that negotiation, Andrew.

Do you

have any idea what you're talking

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about?

I am the Trade Minister, yes.

This is what worries me! This is

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your field and you cannot give a

simple answer to a civil question.

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It is a process that hasn't started

yet.

One question. Even after the

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transition period in the Lords, how

should Labour vote on that?

We have

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said absolutely clearly in the long

term we will stay with the same

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frictionless trade moving forward.

But do you want to stay in the

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customs union or not?

Post-transition?

We have not got

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hung up on names of institutions but

what we have said is the terms,

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which are absolutely vital to moving

forward...

There are votes coming up

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in the house that could determine

whether we stay in or leave the

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customs union and the Government

position after the transition is to

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leave. We'll Labour vote to leave or

stay after the transition?

We have

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taken nothing off the table because

we agreed...

What is your position?

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That is what I am saying, nothing

off the table.

That is not an answer

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to a question on your position. Do

you think we should stay in the

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customs union after the transition

period or not?

Wheeler said, very

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clearly...

You haven't said anything

clearly -- we have said, very

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clearly. Everything on the table is

just a phrase. Is it Labour's

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position, I will try one more time,

is it Labour's position to remain in

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the customs union after the

transition period is over?

We have

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said we will stay in a customs

arrangement with the EU making sure

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we have frictionless trade, and it

is the concepts of being able to

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trade freely which is very

important. This Government has

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had...

I don't have time for the

Government when you can't even

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answer. I have done enough of that.

You don't get out of not answering

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the question by attacking the

Government.

Andrew, there have been

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two thoughts.

Neither of you have

answered, so let's just move on.

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Even by our standards that was

remarkably unproductive.

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Ministers have announced an extra

£150 million for adult social

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care services this financial year.

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It's part of the latest local

government finance settlement

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which will be debated and voted

on by MPs later today.

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The promise of extra cash looks

like it's placated some Conservative

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backbenchers, who were threatening

to rebel over the plans.

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However, councils say

they are still facing squeezed

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budgets in the years ahead.

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Gary Porter is a Conservative

peer and the chairman

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of the Local Government Association.

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He joins me now.

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Gary Porter, you get £150 million,

my understanding, for this financial

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year. It is better than nothing. It

would seem to me it does nothing to

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resolve your long-term financial

situation?

I think we need to make

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it clear it is a lot better than

nothing. Last week we were facing

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being £190 million lighter in cash

than we are today, so it is a big

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achievement given the Treasury were

not prepared and the Secretary of

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State has done well to achieve what

he has, but clearly we all know that

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adult social care, people looking

after your mum, dad, you're elderly

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relatives, we don't have enough

money in the system.

Funding gap of

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£2.3 billion by 2020. Is that true?

Yes, 2020, and we need another

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billion into the marketplace now to

make it sustainable. We saw in the

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news last week, big heralds going

out of business, returning

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contracts.

You have the 150 billion

-- big care homes going out of

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business. What you want the

Government to do now?

We urge them

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to move quickly on the Green paper

and we should have a seat on the

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table table. Our people providing

the care need to be there to sort it

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out.

What would you ask them to do?

We need more money into the system.

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At the moment the Treasury take half

the rate we collect, so as councils

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we collect £27 billion a year and we

get 13 back, and the Treasury take

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the other 13. We could sort this

problem in the morning by keeping

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the business rates we collect.

Keep

all £26 billion? I have a funny idea

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the Treasury will not agree to that.

I have a funny idea they want

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volley-mac won't either, but it is a

local tax, why isn't it being spent

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on local services?

The Treasury

feels they have no money either so

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that is why the Chancellor was you

can for -- looking for obscure ways

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of putting up tax.

They shouldn't be

using local tax to pay for National

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services, it should be for local

services.

Will local authorities, to

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try to meet some of this funding

gap, council tax payers, Ivy in for

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a regular round of 6% rises? They

can do three without a referendum

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and another three if it is for

social care. Will that be widespread

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now? They won't be able to carry on

because it is coming to an end that

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period, so as it stands we will be

back to 3% cap on council tax.

But

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why should it be capped? Why

shouldn't the council be able to

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determine how much to charge local

people for local services? It is not

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for the Government.

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We don't have a referendum on any

other tax.

We will say goodbye to

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you, but you have given me my next

question for which I am grateful.

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Thank you very much, Gary Porter.

Why is council tax cut?

We have

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introduced a lot of flexibility,

being able to increase council tax

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by 3%, an additional 3% on the adult

social care precept. The Government

0:19:210:19:25

has an excellent record on keeping

down council tax, we froze it

0:19:250:19:28

throughout the course of the last

parliament.

Why is the Government?

0:19:280:19:35

It is council tax. Why do you

control what councils are taxing?

We

0:19:350:19:39

think it is the right balance, that

councils can raise more.

If they

0:19:390:19:44

wanted to raise more than that they

go to a local referendum. If they

0:19:440:19:47

want to raise more than 6%, which is

well more than the rate of

0:19:470:19:52

inflation, they would have to go to

a local referendum.

Well, more than

0:19:520:19:57

3%, unless they want more money to

be earmarked for social care, so it

0:19:570:20:01

is

0:20:010:20:06

more than 3% they would have to go

to a referendum for.

But on top of

0:20:160:20:19

that there is the 3% adult social

care precept as well so they would

0:20:190:20:22

have to go to a local referendum in

excess of 6%.

He is a Conservative.

0:20:220:20:25

What do you say to?

I know him very

well. He is good, rivers and local

0:20:250:20:29

Government. We provided more money.

-- representing local government.

0:20:290:20:30

These are the Tories saying this,

this spending gap, not Labour!

We

0:20:300:20:33

have provided £200 billion for local

government over the course of these

0:20:330:20:38

five years, and we have also

announced a green paper, later this

0:20:380:20:41

year, to look again at the long-term

aspects of the funding of social

0:20:410:20:45

care.

The funding gap is £2.4

billion by 2020. In the long-term a

0:20:450:20:50

lot of people under social care will

be dead. In the long term we are all

0:20:500:20:55

dead! This is a social funding gap

now. What is to be done?

We

0:20:550:21:02

recognise the degree of the problem

and the size of the problem, and

0:21:020:21:04

that is why we are looking afresh

with the green paper, but we did

0:21:040:21:08

provide £2 billion... We have

provided it, Andrew. We provided 2

0:21:080:21:14

billion in the budget last year, an

additional million pounds today.

0:21:140:21:20

Over a course of two years -- an

extra £150 million today. We are now

0:21:200:21:28

looking at the longer term aspects,

in a correct way, in consultation

0:21:280:21:31

with local government.

I would

Labour plug this spending gap?

Well,

0:21:310:21:36

we wouldn't be just throwing

sticking plasters at a problem.

0:21:360:21:39

Fundamentally, we know the 40% cut

which has now fallen across all

0:21:390:21:45

local authorities has had a

devastating impact, not just an

0:21:450:21:48

adult services...

We know the

problem, but my question to you is

0:21:480:21:53

how would you fill the gap?

We

certainly wouldn't be making the

0:21:530:21:57

scale of the cuts from central

government to local authorities to

0:21:570:22:03

hollow out local government, so

actually it is quite dysfunctional.

0:22:030:22:06

If we think about social care, the

crisis, not only is the green paper

0:22:060:22:10

incredibly delayed, by eight years,

but we have at that situation where

0:22:100:22:15

we have £6.3 billion deficit.

We

know! This is all history.

No

0:22:150:22:21

comment as the present.

The lack of

social... Lack of funding for social

0:22:210:22:25

care from central Government goes

back almost to 2010. What I am

0:22:250:22:30

asking you is how would you resolve

it? Because the Government, other

0:22:300:22:36

than the £150 million and the £2

billion given before, which still

0:22:360:22:40

leaves this gap I was talking to

Gary Porter about, it looks to me it

0:22:400:22:44

is not going to fill it. So how

would you fill it?

The gap is

0:22:440:22:48

growing as well we must remember

because obviously the Government are

0:22:480:22:52

withdrawing the revenue support

grant to local authorities. We

0:22:520:22:54

wouldn't be going down the action of

taking the money of my local

0:22:540:22:58

authorities who are providing

crucial services.

Even without

0:22:580:23:03

further... No, no, even without

further cuts, the cuts that have

0:23:030:23:08

already taken place that you would

inherit if you came into power, a

0:23:080:23:16

substantial funding gap, so how

would you fill it?

We have ready set

0:23:160:23:19

out in our manifesto if you're not

back to last summer, about the

0:23:190:23:24

investments we would put back into

local government to ensure we can

0:23:240:23:27

pay to care for the most vulnerable

people in our communities, whether

0:23:270:23:32

children, adults...

How much would

you put in extra to social care?

I

0:23:320:23:36

don't have those figures on me, but

I said there was a £6.3 billion

0:23:360:23:41

funding gap there, and we see that

as an essential part of what we're

0:23:410:23:46

doing in the future.

Would you fill

that gap by an increase of £6

0:23:460:23:50

billion?

Have already made a

commitment to start addressing those

0:23:500:23:55

issues, but... I didn't have the

figures on me. I already stated that

0:23:550:23:59

to you.

If we are agreed there has

been a £6 billion gap has developed,

0:23:590:24:05

which has been said on this

programme many times before, would

0:24:050:24:09

you fill that £6 billion gap?

I

apologised to you to say I didn't

0:24:090:24:13

have the figures on me on the amount

we are putting into social care, but

0:24:130:24:17

we will address the issue and make

sure our most vulnerable are cared

0:24:170:24:20

for.

We will leave it there.

0:24:200:24:23

Now, we hear the Prime Minister

of Canada, Justin Trudeau,

0:24:230:24:25

has been taking a bit of flak

recently after he interrupted

0:24:250:24:28

a young woman who used

the word "mankind".

0:24:280:24:35

Mankind.

0:24:350:24:36

He says we should all be

using the word "peoplekind" instead,

0:24:360:24:39

as it's more "more inclusive".

0:24:390:24:44

Now, we here at the Daily Politics

have some sympathy with Mr Trudeau

0:24:440:24:47

as we like to think of ourselves

as an inclusive sort of a show.

0:24:470:24:50

And what could be more inclusive

than the humble Daily Politics mug?

0:24:500:24:53

And luckily for Justin,

the competition to win the mug

0:24:530:24:56

is also very inclusive.

0:24:560:24:57

It's open to mankind,

womankind, even Canadians...

0:24:570:25:05

But not French Canadians.

0:25:050:25:09

You can take this inclusion to fire.

-- too far.

0:25:090:25:17

As long as they're in this country.

0:25:170:25:19

To enter, just tell us

when this happened.

0:25:190:25:21

# When the going gets tough

0:25:210:25:22

# The tough get going

0:25:220:25:24

# When the going gets rough...#.

0:25:240:25:25

The President's spokesman

described him as "hanging

0:25:250:25:27

tough" on basic principle,

including the Strategic Defence

0:25:270:25:29

Initiative or "Star Wars" programme.

0:25:290:25:33

# Word up, everybody say

0:25:330:25:38

# When you hear the call

you've got to get it under way

0:25:380:25:42

# Word up...#.

0:25:420:25:43

Let's face up to it.

0:25:430:25:44

Let's not deceive ourselves.

0:25:440:25:45

We are on the verge of civil war

in Northern Ireland.

0:25:450:25:50

# Don't leave me this way

0:25:500:25:55

# I can't survive,

I can't stay alive

0:25:550:25:58

# Without your love

0:25:580:26:00

# Oh, baby, don't

leave me this way...#.

0:26:000:26:05

# And I see you true colours

shining through...#.

0:26:050:26:11

The Labour leadership is getting rid

of the Liverpool Militants it

0:26:110:26:14

considers the most serious threat

to the national image of the party.

0:26:140:26:17

There's a battle to be waged.

0:26:170:26:18

That battle will be waged

within the rank and file of the

0:26:180:26:21

trade union Labour movement.

0:26:210:26:22

MUSIC: The Final Countdown

by Europe.

0:26:220:26:24

# The final countdown...

0:26:240:26:32

# It's the final countdown #.

0:26:330:26:41

To be in with a chance of winning

a Daily Politics mug,

0:26:470:26:51

send your answer to our special

quiz email address.

0:26:510:26:53

That's [email protected]

0:26:530:26:58

Entries must arrive

by 12.30pm today, and you can

0:26:580:27:01

see the full terms

and conditions for Guess The Year

0:27:010:27:04

The

0:27:040:27:04

on our website - that's

bbc.co.uk/dailypolitics.

0:27:040:27:12

although I know the people of Quebec

are renowned for their sense of

0:27:120:27:15

humour, I should emphasise I was

only joking when I said

0:27:150:27:20

French-Canadians cannot enter the

competition.

0:27:200:27:25

competition. It is all laypeople

from Montreal who can't enter. Greg

0:27:260:27:30

Hands it is only people from

Montreal.

0:27:300:27:37

-- it is only people from Montreal.

0:27:370:27:39

It's coming up to midday here -

just take a look at Big Ben -

0:27:390:27:42

and that can mean only one thing.

0:27:420:27:44

Yes, Prime Minister's

Questions is on its way.

0:27:440:27:46

And that's not all -

Laura Kuenssberg is here.

0:27:460:27:48

Can I be a member of womankind?

You

can be a member of any kind you want

0:27:480:27:52

to. That is how inclusive we are.

Brexit, for a change, limbs across

0:27:520:27:55

the airwaves. Mr Corbyn won't go on

it. I see that as a prediction, but

0:27:550:28:02

I could be wrong. This EU document

about sanctions and so on -- Brexit

0:28:020:28:10

looms across the airwaves. What is

the view in London about what

0:28:100:28:13

Brussels is up to?

I think,

privately for something when you

0:28:130:28:20

talk to ministers about this and how

the EU is playing it, I think they

0:28:200:28:24

sometimes feel frustration the EU is

playing hardball and playing a

0:28:240:28:27

political game, just as the British

side is. And although often the

0:28:270:28:34

documents, issued from Brussels,

they are coming from the Council or

0:28:340:28:38

the Commission, from officials

without the smiley face of a

0:28:380:28:41

politician at the front of it, but

they are still being intensely

0:28:410:28:46

political, of course they are. The

process of Brexit, these directives

0:28:460:28:50

and negotiating guidelines and all

these kind of things, sometimes they

0:28:500:28:53

come forth with the very sort of

official stamp as if "This is the

0:28:530:28:58

law and it must be obeyed," but of

course this will be subject of the

0:28:580:29:04

back and forth of the negotiating,

the hardball, going backwards and

0:29:040:29:07

forwards. I think ministers will be

looking at this latest thing with a

0:29:070:29:12

bit of a sceptical eye, OK, that is

their opening position, look at the

0:29:120:29:16

first phase, in the end you did not

do as much compromising as the UK,

0:29:160:29:20

but they did in the end have to do

is uncompromising. -- in the end the

0:29:200:29:24

EU did not do as much comprising.

But I am hearing about this

0:29:240:29:27

particular footnote, whether it is

actually getting things a little too

0:29:270:29:32

far in terms of the potential

punishment tactics.

You said

0:29:320:29:37

something very interesting, because

the member states are now finding

0:29:370:29:43

their voice, in phase two. In the

first place they were pretty much

0:29:430:29:46

united around the common agreement

to screw as much money out of the

0:29:460:29:50

British as they could, but when you

look at what is coming out of Italy,

0:29:500:29:54

or even the Belgians, the most

federal of all, or Mr Macron on the

0:29:540:30:04

Sandhurst deal, or the Dutch as

well, and the Spanish as well, there

0:30:040:30:08

is now a different emphasis.

That is absolutely right because in

0:30:080:30:14

the second phase, inevitably,

because it is about the long-term

0:30:140:30:17

future relationship rather than

settling our bill on the way out or

0:30:170:30:19

being screwed out of money,

depending on how you look at it, the

0:30:190:30:22

member states have such different

interests. They have such different

0:30:220:30:27

economies, different domestic

priorities, and therefore it will,

0:30:270:30:31

as the thinking goes, give more

opportunities to the UK to be able

0:30:310:30:34

to play that old diplomatic game of

divide and rule. Brussels is still

0:30:340:30:39

very much trying to keep an iron

grip on what the member states want,

0:30:390:30:46

they are trying hard and still doing

a good job of keeping them together,

0:30:460:30:50

but you're absolutely right, in the

second phase there will be more push

0:30:500:30:53

and pull between the member states

and I think we are seeing some of

0:30:530:30:56

the sides of that at the start. At

the end of the first phase we did an

0:30:560:31:00

interview with the Brexit secretary

David Davis in Berlin, where he

0:31:000:31:03

actually named six or seven

countries who he believed were being

0:31:030:31:06

more helpful than others. At the

time that seemed like a really

0:31:060:31:10

controversial thing to do, but we

may well see more of this in the

0:31:100:31:14

next phase.

The Government we

haven't heard from on this has been

0:31:140:31:18

the Germans because they have been

totally consumed by their coalition

0:31:180:31:21

talks, which this morning have come

to an end. There is to be a grand

0:31:210:31:26

coalition, and part of that deal is

that the social Democrats get the

0:31:260:31:30

finance ministry and the Foreign

Ministry. I would suggest that is

0:31:300:31:33

not good news for the British

Government. They are very hard line

0:31:330:31:36

on Brexit.

Absolutely. Sounds like a

very very nerdy point but it

0:31:360:31:42

basically means the most powerful

country in the European Union, you

0:31:420:31:46

have a more strident approach on

making Brexit hard for Britain or,

0:31:460:31:49

you know, just being that, we must

stick together, closer to the

0:31:490:31:56

Commission view, in the most

powerful ministries in Berlin. And

0:31:560:32:00

of course that is something that

might colour the way some of the

0:32:000:32:04

docs call.

I think it will, but it

may not. Let's go to our own House

0:32:040:32:11

of Commons.

0:32:110:32:18

And the house will join me in KGB to

Dean sprouting in Iraq, his death

0:32:220:32:26

was not the cause of enemy activity.

The house will join in offering

0:32:260:32:30

condolences to his family and

friends at this difficult time.

0:32:300:32:32

Yesterday, winning one the right to

vote. I know the

0:32:320:32:42

vote. I know the whole house, well,

from a sedentary position, Labour

0:32:420:32:45

say someone, I'm pleased to say that

universal suffrage did come for

0:32:450:32:48

women ten years later under a

Conservative government. But I'm

0:32:480:32:56

sure Mr Speaker, the whole house

will want to join me in marking the

0:32:560:33:00

heroic and tireless struggle that

led to women having the vote because

0:33:000:33:04

it forever changed our nation's

future. Mr Speaker, this morning I

0:33:040:33:08

had meetings with ministerial

colleagues and others, in addition

0:33:080:33:11

to my duties in this house, I shall

have further such meetings later

0:33:110:33:13

today.

My constituent, Natasha,

suffers from Hank Hanley anaemia, a

0:33:130:33:21

debilitating disease which carries

with it a high risk of cancer.

0:33:210:33:25

Natasha was on lifetime disability

living allowance which was removed

0:33:250:33:30

following her T20 assessment. When

she appealed, she was told because

0:33:300:33:33

she has a degree she does not need

as much support. I'm sure the Prime

0:33:330:33:37

Minister is aware that disease and

cancer are no respect is of

0:33:370:33:41

disability and qualifications. --

following her PIP assessment. I'm

0:33:410:33:47

asking the Prime Minister what

urgent action she will take to

0:33:470:33:50

improve the quality and the standard

of PIP assessments?

Obviously, the

0:33:500:33:56

DWP is constantly looking at the

standard of PIP assessments that are

0:33:560:33:59

being made. I'm sorry to hear the

case the honourable lady has set

0:33:590:34:02

out, I think those people would be

very concerned at hearing that case

0:34:020:34:05

and I'm surprised at the judgment

that was given in relation to that

0:34:050:34:10

individual, can I suggest she sent

in the detail and I will make sure

0:34:100:34:12

it is looked into?

Mr Speaker, my

right honourable friend will be

0:34:120:34:18

aware of the Ukip led Thanet

Council's broken election promise to

0:34:180:34:21

support the reopening of minced and

airport. On the basis that the site

0:34:210:34:27

was to be redesignated as mixed use

with thousands of houses, the plan

0:34:270:34:32

was sensibly rejected by local

councillors and I salute them for

0:34:320:34:35

doing so. And she give me her

assurance that Thanet should now be

0:34:350:34:41

given as miserable a time as

necessary, perhaps under a new

0:34:410:34:45

administration. -- as reasonable

time is necessary, perhaps under a

0:34:450:34:49

new administration, to get it right.

My honourable friend is right to

0:34:490:34:52

raise this matter on behalf of his

constituents. I understand that

0:34:520:34:57

Thanet District Council has not

adopted a local plan since 2006.

0:34:570:35:01

That is why my right honourable

friend the Housing Secretary has

0:35:010:35:04

written to the District Council to

begin the formal process of

0:35:040:35:08

considering intervention and this is

a very serious step which shows that

0:35:080:35:11

the council has not been doing what

it should be doing in relation to a

0:35:110:35:15

local plan so my right honourable

friend the Secretary of State is now

0:35:150:35:19

considering whether to intervene and

he will be making an announcement in

0:35:190:35:21

due course.

Jeremy Corbyn.

Thank you

Mr Speaker, I joined the Prime

0:35:210:35:28

Minister in paying tribute to

captain Dean Sprouting from Jarrow

0:35:280:35:32

on his death and his family,

hopefully they will accept our

0:35:320:35:38

condolences after this terrible

incident. It is of course the

0:35:380:35:41

anniversary of women first getting

the right to vote in 1918. I pay

0:35:410:35:46

tribute to all those that campaign

all over the country to achieve that

0:35:460:35:49

right. We should understand that our

rights come from the activities of

0:35:490:35:53

ordinary people doing extraordinary

things to bring about democracy and

0:35:530:35:57

justice within our society. And

those women that suffered

0:35:570:36:01

grievously, being force-fed in

Holloway prison in my constituency,

0:36:010:36:05

and those that suffered so much,

need to be remembered for all time.

0:36:050:36:08

Working-class women as well as many

other women fought for that right

0:36:080:36:12

and it is one we should all be proud

of. Mr Speaker, with crime rising,

0:36:120:36:18

does the Prime Minister regret

cutting 21,000 police officers?

Can

0:36:180:36:24

I first of all said to the right

honourable gentleman that we should

0:36:240:36:27

be saluting all of those who were

involved in that struggle to ensure

0:36:270:36:31

that women could get the right to

vote. I was very pleased yesterday

0:36:310:36:38

to have an opportunity to meet Helen

Pankhurst, the great granddaughter

0:36:380:36:42

of Emmeline Pankhurst and to see

that the memory is being kept going

0:36:420:36:45

and as I said yesterday in my

speech, I myself heard about the

0:36:450:36:51

fight by the suffragettes from my

late godmother, whose mother was a

0:36:510:36:56

suffragette and both of whose

parents knew the Pankhurst family.

0:36:560:36:58

He raises the issue of police

numbers and crime. What we actually

0:36:580:37:02

have seen from the crime survey is

that crime is now down at record low

0:37:020:37:07

levels. That is what has been

achieved and it has been achieved by

0:37:070:37:16

a Conservative government that at

the same time has been protecting

0:37:160:37:19

police budgets.

Jeremy Corbyn.

Mr

Speaker, recorded crime is up by a

0:37:190:37:26

fifth since 2010. Violent crime is

up by 20% and during the period the

0:37:260:37:30

Prime Minister was Home Secretary,

£2.3 billion was cut from police

0:37:300:37:37

budgets. Her Majesty 's Inspectorate

of Constabulary warns neighbourhood

0:37:370:37:40

policing risks being eroded and the

shortage of detectives is at a

0:37:400:37:46

national crisis. Does the Prime

Minister think the Inspectorate is

0:37:460:37:49

scaremongering?

The right honourable

gentleman mentions the issue about

0:37:490:37:55

recorded crime. One of the

challenges we have seen in the

0:37:550:37:58

police in recent years is ensuring

that we get proper recording of

0:37:580:38:02

particularly certain tribes of crime

-- types of crime and I'm pleased to

0:38:020:38:07

say we have seen improvements in the

last seven or eight years in the

0:38:070:38:09

recording by police of certain types

of crime. He also talks about the

0:38:090:38:14

issue of police budgets. As I have

said, this is a government that is

0:38:140:38:18

actually protecting police budgets

and I might remind the right

0:38:180:38:22

honourable gentleman that the Labour

Party's former Shadow Home

0:38:220:38:27

Secretary, now the police and crime

commission for greater Manchester,

0:38:270:38:31

Intel said the police could take an

up to 10% cut in their budgets.

Mr

0:38:310:38:38

Speaker, the Inspectorate also found

that the police are failing to

0:38:380:38:41

properly record tens of thousands of

offences and in addition to the

0:38:410:38:47

gutting of 21,000 police officers,

the government has also cut 6700

0:38:470:38:54

police community support officers.

The Chief Constable of Bedfordshire

0:38:540:38:58

says, "We do not have the resources

to keep residents safe. The position

0:38:580:39:02

is a scandal"

0:39:020:39:03

to keep residents safe. The position

is a scandal". Too many people don't

0:39:030:39:05

feel safe and too many people aren't

safe. We have just seen the highest

0:39:050:39:09

rise in recorded crime for a quarter

of a century. The Chief Constable of

0:39:090:39:14

Lancashire said, "The government's

police cuts have made it much more

0:39:140:39:18

difficult to keep people safe". Is

he wrong?

Can I say to the right

0:39:180:39:25

honourable gentleman, on the issue

of recording crime, he mentions Her

0:39:250:39:29

Majesty 's Inspectorate of

Constabulary, it is precisely

0:39:290:39:31

because when I was Home Secretary, I

asked the Inspectorate of

0:39:310:39:34

Constabulary to look at the

recording of police crime to make

0:39:340:39:37

sure that police forces were doing

it properly and indeed, some changes

0:39:370:39:41

were made as a result of that so we

now see the better recording of

0:39:410:39:46

crime. We also see £450 million

extra being made available to the

0:39:460:39:53

police but what have we also seen

over the last few years? The

0:39:530:39:57

creation of the National Crime

Agency, our police forces taking

0:39:570:40:01

more notice of helping to support

vulnerable victims, doing more on

0:40:010:40:05

modern slavery, doing more domestic

violence, taking issues seriously

0:40:050:40:09

that they were not taking seriously

before.

Mr Speaker, if you ask the

0:40:090:40:16

Inspectorate and look at unrecorded

crime and they tell you what is

0:40:160:40:19

going on, the least you could do is

act on what they tell you. Mr

0:40:190:40:23

Speaker, if I could quote something

at the Prime Minister, it might

0:40:230:40:27

sound familiar to her, "The first

duty of the government is to protect

0:40:270:40:30

the public and keep them safe. I

have to say to the government they

0:40:300:40:36

are not putting enough focus on

police resources". If you cast their

0:40:360:40:39

rise to the bar back benches of the

Conservative Party, she will see the

0:40:390:40:44

member for Shipley. That is what he

said about her government and what

0:40:440:40:47

it is doing. Gun crime, Mr Speaker,

has increased by 20% in the last

0:40:470:40:54

year. The Chief Constable of

Merseyside said recently, "Have I

0:40:540:41:00

got sufficient resources to fight

gun crime? No, I haven't"

0:41:000:41:04

got sufficient resources to fight

gun crime? No, I haven't". Does the

0:41:040:41:05

Prime Minister think he is crying

wolf?

The right honourable gentleman

0:41:050:41:09

can't get away from the fact that

what the government is doing is

0:41:090:41:12

protecting police budgets, in fact,

not just protecting police budgets,

0:41:120:41:16

but increasing with £450 million

extra. What we are also doing is

0:41:160:41:23

ensuring that our police have the

powers that they need to do the job

0:41:230:41:27

that we want them to do. I seem to

remember the right honourable

0:41:270:41:31

gentleman does not have that good

record when it comes to increasing

0:41:310:41:33

the powers for the police to do

their job.

0:41:330:41:40

their job.

Mr Speaker, since 2015,

direct government funding to the

0:41:400:41:42

police has fallen by £413 million.

The Chief Constable of the West

0:41:420:41:49

Midlands, Dave Thompson, said, "The

current flat cash settlement for

0:41:490:41:53

policing means force budgets will

fall in real terms"

0:41:530:41:57

policing means force budgets will

fall in real terms". As well as

0:41:570:41:59

police cuts, other public service

cuts are clearly contributing to the

0:41:590:42:02

rise in crime. 3600 youth workers

have lost their jobs. 600 youth

0:42:020:42:06

centres have closed and been boarded

up. Probation service cut and

0:42:060:42:13

privatised. Re-offenders committing

more offences. When it comes to

0:42:130:42:17

tackling crime, prevention and cure

our two sides of the same coin. So

0:42:170:42:22

why is the government cutting both

prevention and cure?

I have to say

0:42:220:42:30

to the right honourable gentleman,

we have put in place various pieces

0:42:300:42:34

of work on anti-knife crime, on

serious violence, on issues like

0:42:340:42:37

domestic violence but I come back to

the point I made in the last

0:42:370:42:42

response, the Leader of the

Opposition, the right honourable

0:42:420:42:46

gentleman voted against changing the

law so that anyone caught carrying a

0:42:460:42:51

knife for a second time would face a

custodial sentence. He has called

0:42:510:42:58

for much shorter sentences for those

who break the law and he might want

0:42:580:43:04

to reflect on the fact that when

there was a Conservative mayor in

0:43:040:43:09

London, knife crime went down. Now

there is a lay-by mayor in London,

0:43:090:43:12

knife crime is going up.

Jeremy

Corbyn.

-- and labour mayor in

0:43:120:43:20

London.

Mr Speaker, I am very clear

that crime is of course wrong but

0:43:200:43:25

the way you deal with it is by an

effective probation service, is by

0:43:250:43:31

community service orders, is by the

rehabilitation of offenders. And

0:43:310:43:38

what she said goes to the heart of

the Prime Minister's record. She, Mr

0:43:380:43:43

Speaker, was Home Secretary physics

years. Crime is up, violent crime

0:43:430:43:48

rising, police numbers down and

Chief Constable saying they no

0:43:480:43:51

longer have the resources to keep

communities safe. After seven years,

0:43:510:43:58

seven years of cuts, will the Prime

Minister today admit that her

0:43:580:44:02

government's relentless cuts to

police, probation services and

0:44:020:44:06

social services have left us less

safe? The reality is, you can't have

0:44:060:44:13

public safety on the cheap.

0:44:130:44:20

public safety on the cheap.

Well,

the right honourable gentleman

0:44:200:44:21

really needs to reflect on what

Labour would be doing if they were

0:44:210:44:24

in government. You can only pay for

our public services if you have a

0:44:240:44:34

strong economy and what would we

see, what would we see with the

0:44:340:44:40

Labour Party? Well, we don't need to

ask ourselves what we would see with

0:44:400:44:43

the Labour Party because the Shadow

Chancellor's adviser told us that

0:44:430:44:47

the weekend. He said this, "We need

to think about the obvious problems

0:44:470:44:52

which might face a radical Labour

government, such as capital flight

0:44:520:44:56

for a run on the pound"

0:44:560:44:58

government, such as capital flight

for a run on the pound". That's what

0:44:580:45:00

Labour would do, bankrupt Britain

and the police would have less money

0:45:000:45:03

under Labour than under the

Conservatives.

0:45:030:45:09

Conservatives.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

Travelling around the country and

0:45:090:45:16

meeting people from diverse

communities, members of the Jewish

0:45:160:45:19

and Muslim community have raised the

point for the coroner's act to

0:45:190:45:24

specifically take into account

people's faith considerations, as in

0:45:240:45:27

their faith, loved ones must be

buried within 24 hours. Will the

0:45:270:45:31

Prime Minister join me and the

honourable member for Maidstone and

0:45:310:45:34

faith communities to look at this

important matter.

Can I say to my

0:45:340:45:39

honourable friend, I would like to

thank him for raising this point

0:45:390:45:42

because he's doing so on behalf of

communities across the country and

0:45:420:45:44

he does so from a unique position

with his own experience and

0:45:440:45:49

understanding of these issues. It is

important that we take into account

0:45:490:45:54

specific requirements of someone's

faith, especially when they have

0:45:540:45:57

lost a loved one and are grieving

and I know that although, as he will

0:45:570:46:01

be aware, coroners are an

independent judicial office, I

0:46:010:46:04

understand the Ministry of Justice

is speaking to the Chief coroner

0:46:040:46:07

about this point, to see what more

can be done and I am sure my right

0:46:070:46:11

honourable friend the Lord

Chancellor will be happy to meet and

0:46:110:46:13

discuss this issue further with my

honourable friend.

0:46:130:46:22

Yesterday it was announced that ten

Royal Bank of Scotland branches in

0:46:230:46:26

Scotland have been -- that were

earmarked for closure are to be

0:46:260:46:32

reprieved, news for which I am

grateful, on the back of community

0:46:320:46:36

pressure under the leadership shown

by the Scottish National Party.

0:46:360:46:43

On three occasions I have asked the

Prime Minister at Prime Minister 's

0:46:430:46:47

questions to bring Ross McEwan

entered ten Downing St. For the

0:46:470:46:54

Prime Minister to accept

responsibilities given that we on

0:46:540:46:57

RBS. Well the Prime Minister Colin

Ross McEwan and join us and call for

0:46:570:47:02

all the branches to remain open? --

call in Ross McEwan?

As I have said

0:47:020:47:09

before of course it is important for

customers, especially those

0:47:090:47:13

vulnerable, to be able to call on

the services they need. I welcome

0:47:130:47:18

the decision from the Royal Bank of

Scotland, and commercial decision

0:47:180:47:21

for them. But if the right

honourable gentleman is so keen on

0:47:210:47:24

ensuring that communities and people

perhaps in remote communities have

0:47:240:47:32

access to the services they need,

they should ask himself why it is

0:47:360:47:38

the Scottish government has been

such a failure in ensuring people in

0:47:380:47:41

remote communities have broadband

access to online banking. They need

0:47:410:47:43

to get their act together because

quite simply Scotland under the Nats

0:47:430:47:45

is getting left behind.

Mr Speaker,

that was pathetic. The Prime

0:47:450:47:53

Minister hasn't answered. We have

saved the banks. Yesterday we

0:47:530:47:57

celebrated the achievements of the

suffragette movement, which was

0:47:570:48:00

about democracy, equality and

fairness for women. However today in

0:48:000:48:04

the United Kingdom, 3.8 million

women are not receiving the pension

0:48:040:48:10

they are entitled to. A vote in this

house last November received

0:48:100:48:14

unanimous cross-party support, 288

to zero, calling on the Government

0:48:140:48:22

in London to do the right thing.

Will the Prime Minister do her bit

0:48:220:48:27

for gender equality, and end the

injustice faced by 1950s women?

I

0:48:270:48:33

say to the right honourable

gentleman that as people are living

0:48:330:48:36

longer it is important that we

equalise the retirement leader

0:48:360:48:40

pension age between men and women

and we are doing that and doing it

0:48:400:48:45

faster -- Villa pension age between

men and women. We are giving greater

0:48:450:48:50

protection to the women involved and

an extra £1 billion has been put in

0:48:500:48:56

to ensure no one will see their

pension entitlement changed by more

0:48:560:48:59

than 18 months. That was a real

response to the issue that was being

0:48:590:49:02

addressed, but I think if he wants

to talk about equality, then he has

0:49:020:49:10

to recognise the importance of the

equality of the state pension age

0:49:100:49:15

between men and women.

Thank you, Mr Speaker. I never

0:49:150:49:24

thought I would see the day when

where I read the Leader of the

0:49:240:49:32

Opposition follows -- where I lead.

There is clearly hope for them yet.

0:49:320:49:39

LAUGHTER

Last year the Government advertised

0:49:390:49:41

for the post of disability

Commissioner. Lord Shinkwin, my

0:49:410:49:47

noble friend, applied for the

position and was appointed. Yet only

0:49:470:49:51

a few weeks later he was told by the

equality and human rights commission

0:49:510:49:55

that the post had been abolished

altogether. Was the Prime Minister

0:49:550:50:00

consulted about that decision? Does

she agree with the decision to

0:50:000:50:04

abolish that post, and if not can I

urge her to urge the commission to

0:50:040:50:08

reinstate the post of disability

Commissioner and reinstall Lord

0:50:080:50:12

Shinkwin to his rightful place on

it?

Can I thank my honourable friend

0:50:120:50:19

for raising this point? Firstly, can

I say I have known the noble Lord,

0:50:190:50:25

Lord Shinkwin, for many years and he

has been a valiant champion for the

0:50:250:50:28

rights of disabled people over those

years and I think his own experience

0:50:280:50:31

and the example he set in his work

in public life, and particularly in

0:50:310:50:36

the other place, are a fine example

of how disabled people can actually

0:50:360:50:42

be standing up, speeding up, and

ensure they are taking their

0:50:420:50:46

rightful place in public life --

speaking up. The HRC is an

0:50:460:50:51

independent body and it was their

decision to abolish the disability

0:50:510:50:56

Commissioner. The question is what

is being done to help disabled

0:50:560:51:01

people and how can we ensure we are

helping disabled people? That is why

0:51:010:51:05

we are committed to tackling the

injustices that disabled people

0:51:050:51:08

face. We are spending over £50

billion a year on benefits to

0:51:080:51:12

support disabled people and people

with health conditions, a record

0:51:120:51:15

high. But of course we do want to

ensure and I would urge the HRC to

0:51:150:51:20

ensure that in their work they are

paying proper attention to the needs

0:51:200:51:23

and rights of disabled people,

because that is an important part of

0:51:230:51:27

their remit.

Mr Speaker, my

constituent's son was killed by a

0:51:270:51:38

learner driver taking a lesson. With

one in four young drivers being

0:51:380:51:41

involved in an accident within the

first two years of starting to

0:51:410:51:46

drive, and 400 deaths or serious

injuries on our roads involving

0:51:460:51:50

young drivers each year, will the

Prime Minister meet with me and my

0:51:500:51:54

constituents to hear their story and

consider the introduction of a

0:51:540:51:59

graduated licensing system for the

UK as they have another countries?

0:51:590:52:05

The honourable lady has obviously

raised an important issue and I will

0:52:050:52:07

certainly look at the request that

she has made. And I will also ask

0:52:070:52:12

the Department for Transport to look

at this as an issue. As she says

0:52:120:52:16

there are too many people who suffer

a loss and tragedy at the hands of

0:52:160:52:19

learner drivers in these

circumstances and we will certainly

0:52:190:52:23

look at that.

The Royal Marines are the most

0:52:230:52:29

adaptable of our elite infantry,

central to our amphibious capability

0:52:290:52:34

and they provide much of our special

forces. Does the Prime Minister

0:52:340:52:37

agree with me that producing them

further at this stage would be

0:52:370:52:40

inconsistent with this Government's

strong record on defence and

0:52:400:52:45

security?

Can I say to my honourable friend

0:52:450:52:49

that the Royal Marines do indeed

play a vital role in defending our

0:52:490:52:51

country and I pay tribute to them

for all that they do.

0:52:510:52:55

Detecting the UK is of course our

priority and as my honourable friend

0:52:550:52:58

will know, we have in place a

review, and organising defence

0:52:580:53:05

programme, about ensuring the

defence capabilities we have meet

0:53:050:53:09

the rapidly changing and evolving

threats that we face. I think that

0:53:090:53:12

is the right thing for us to do, but

of course any comments that have

0:53:120:53:17

been made, any suggestions made,

about cuts to defence or purely

0:53:170:53:20

speculative. I would remind my

honourable friend and other members

0:53:200:53:23

of this House that in fact we are

committed to increasing our spending

0:53:230:53:26

on defence.

In offering him best

wishes for his birthday on Sunday, I

0:53:260:53:33

call Mr Dennis Skinner.

I didn't

know about that.

0:53:330:53:38

LAUGHTER

I don't celebrate things like that.

0:53:380:53:43

I don't think you should celebrate

age.

0:53:430:53:47

Anyway...

LAUGHTER

0:53:470:53:49

There are another group of people

that need help, and they are the

0:53:490:53:54

people who work in the National

Health Service. And what they told

0:53:540:53:58

me last week was the best period

that they ever experienced was in

0:53:580:54:04

the Labour Government when they had

the money increased from £33 billion

0:54:040:54:16

in 1997

0:54:160:54:22

in 1997 to £100 billion in 2010.

That was a golden period. Why did

0:54:220:54:27

they do it? How did they do it? The

Chancellor of the Exchequer but 1%

0:54:270:54:34

on the national insurance, and in

hypothecation terms it went directly

0:54:340:54:43

to the health service, and it is

called long-term stability. Under

0:54:430:54:49

this Government they don't know

whether they are coming or going. It

0:54:490:54:52

is high time this Government did the

same as we did between 97 and 2010.

0:54:520:55:05

Yes, and happy birthday, Dennis.

Can I say to the honourable

0:55:120:55:19

gentleman, he says why were the

Labour Party in that position of

0:55:190:55:21

being able to spend more on public

services. I will tell him. Because

0:55:210:55:26

the Conservative Government had left

the golden economic legacy.

0:55:260:55:32

a golden economic legacy.

0:55:320:55:40

Regardless of how popular you are...

Thank you, Mr Speaker. The

0:55:440:55:50

Conservative lead District Council

have refused the proposed expansion

0:55:500:55:55

of the enormous logistics part in --

Logistics Park in my constituency.

0:55:550:56:01

Given the Prime Minister's recent

welcome remarks about sustainable

0:56:010:56:05

developments, will she please

arrange for me to meet the relevant

0:56:050:56:09

Government ministers to discuss the

creation of a national planning

0:56:090:56:15

framework for the future location of

these enormous Logistics Park 's?

My

0:56:150:56:19

honourable friend has raised an

important point, and obviously it is

0:56:190:56:25

a matter of considerable interest to

his constituents. Of course we need

0:56:250:56:29

the right balance between enabling

development and growth to take place

0:56:290:56:32

while continuing to protect and

enhance our natural environment. And

0:56:320:56:35

the purpose of the planning system

is to contribute to achieving that

0:56:350:56:40

sustainable development, but

regarding the very specific issue

0:56:400:56:42

about these logistics parks, I'm

sure one of the ministers from

0:56:420:56:48

housing and communities and local

Government, indeed possibly my right

0:56:480:56:52

honourable friend the Housing

Secretary, will be happy to meet and

0:56:520:56:54

discuss it with them.

Is the Prime Minister were ever

0:56:540:57:00

Universal Credit claimant forgets

their username or password they must

0:57:000:57:04

attend a face-to-face interview at

the job centre to have them reset?

0:57:040:57:07

The Secretary of State can't give a

date when this will be fixed so will

0:57:070:57:10

the Prime Minister to commit to know

for the job centre closures until

0:57:100:57:15

Universal Credit claimants can

access basic online functions as a

0:57:150:57:23

available with HMRC?

I'll ask the

Secretary of State responsible to

0:57:230:57:28

look carefully at identifying a date

when that change will be made.

0:57:280:57:34

Mr Speaker, according to statistics

around 3400 people in my

0:57:340:57:40

constituency last year were

diagnosed with cancer. Cancer

0:57:400:57:43

survival rates have meant there are

7000 people alive today who may not

0:57:430:57:47

have been if the rates of 2010 were

still in place. Does my right

0:57:470:57:52

honourable friend see this as a

testament to the NHS and that she

0:57:520:57:56

recognised...

Well, I absolutely

agree with my honourable friend. It

0:57:560:58:00

is very good news there are 7000

more people alive today. Cancer

0:58:000:58:05

sufferers alive today, than would

have been had we simply continued in

0:58:050:58:08

the way we were in 2010. I am very

happy to join him in welcoming the

0:58:080:58:13

news. Cancer survival rates have

increased year-on-year. Of course,

0:58:130:58:18

we want them to increase even

further.

0:58:180:58:22

Last year we had 7 million more

diagnostic tests than in 2010 and

0:58:220:58:26

290,000 patients started treatment

for cancer, 57,000 more than in

0:58:260:58:32

2010, but he is absolutely right. We

should welcome the improvement that

0:58:320:58:35

has been made, we should

congratulate and thank the NHS staff

0:58:350:58:40

for all they have been doing, but

there is more for us to do and that

0:58:400:58:43

is why we are backing up our plans

for cancer with a further £600

0:58:430:58:48

million to implement the cancer

strategy for England.

0:58:480:58:53

The Prime Minister, as we have just

heard, continues to be in denial

0:58:530:58:59

about the rising level of crime and

following police numbers. Despite

0:58:590:59:03

her repeated assurances budgets have

not been protected for my local

0:59:030:59:07

police force, with 80 million and

1000 police officers lost already.

0:59:070:59:11

Will she meet with me and a

delegation of small businesses that

0:59:110:59:14

do so much for my local economy yet

have seen significant rises and

0:59:140:59:19

Brechins in crime as a result of

these Tory cuts?

-- break-ins.

0:59:190:59:27

Obviously I will look at his request

but for those concerned about the

0:59:270:59:30

way in which policing is being

undertaken in their area, they

0:59:300:59:33

should actually speak to the local

police, who make operational

0:59:330:59:37

decisions about what is happening.

We protected overall police spending

0:59:370:59:42

and we continue to protect it, and

indeed more money is being put into

0:59:420:59:47

the police. I remind the honourable

gentleman that it was a Labour

0:59:470:59:51

Shadow Home Secretary who said that

the police budgets could be cut by

0:59:510:59:54

10%.

NHS figures show that in the

0:59:541:00:03

south-west NHS funding, the growth

in NHS funding, is 2.2% less than

1:00:031:00:09

the national average. It is also

true that it is more challenging in

1:00:091:00:13

the south-west with an ageing

demographic and sparsity. Does the

1:00:131:00:16

Prime Minister agree with me that

providers in the south-west, that

1:00:161:00:23

they deserve their fair share of NHS

funding, and will she take action to

1:00:231:00:27

address this inequality?

1:00:271:00:32

Let me say to my honourable friend

that the National for me which is

1:00:321:00:35

the basis for calculating funding

does take into account a large

1:00:351:00:38

number of factors including being

rural and the demographics which

1:00:381:00:44

other factors he has suggested needs

to be considered. NHS Curnow saw an

1:00:441:00:48

increase in their funding this year

and will see a further increase in

1:00:481:00:51

their funding next year, taking

funding to over £760 million. This

1:00:511:00:57

is part of our commitment to

ensuring we are putting extra

1:00:571:00:59

funding in the NHS but of course, we

continue to look at ensuring the

1:00:591:01:03

distribution of that funding takes

account of all the factors that need

1:01:031:01:08

to do.

Leila Moran.

Thank you, Mr

Speaker, under the 1824 rate --

1:01:081:01:15

vagrancy act, rough sleeping is

illegal and the act was used nearly

1:01:151:01:18

2000 times last year to drag

homeless people before the courts.

1:01:181:01:21

Scotland and Northern Ireland have

already repealed it is so will the

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Prime Minister support my bill that

consigned this heartless Dickensian

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law to the history books across the

whole of the UK?

What we are doing

1:01:291:01:35

is recognising we need to take

action in relation to rough

1:01:351:01:37

sleeping. That is why we are putting

more money into projects to reduce

1:01:371:01:42

rough sleeping and indeed, projects

like housing first, which are being

1:01:421:01:47

put into place in a number of places

in the country to ensure that we can

1:01:471:01:50

provide for those rough sleeping.

None of us want to see rough

1:01:501:01:54

sleepers on the street. That is why

the government is taking action.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. Today is the

anniversary of the signing of the

1:01:591:02:02

Maastricht Treaty. We have come a

very long way. May I congratulate my

1:02:021:02:10

right honourable friend on her

approach to the customs union? May I

1:02:101:02:16

also mention the fact that in the

liaison committee last December, I

1:02:161:02:22

warned her about ultimatums from the

EU and again in my question only

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last week. Would she be given to be

very robust when discussing these

1:02:281:02:31

matters in the Brexit committee as I

am sure she will be, in order to we

1:02:311:02:36

repudiate any of these EU threats?

I

can assure my honourable friend the

1:02:361:02:45

first, I suspect that at the time

that the legislation was going

1:02:451:02:47

through in this house, there were

not many who would have thought that

1:02:471:02:52

my honourable friend would be

standing up recognising the signing

1:02:521:02:55

of the anniversary of the Maastricht

Treaty. I suspect he only feels able

1:02:551:02:59

to do so because we are coming out

of the European Union and I can

1:02:591:03:02

assure you we will be robust in our

arguments. As I have said right from

1:03:021:03:06

the very beginning, we will hear

noises find all sorts of things

1:03:061:03:09

being said about positions being

taken. What matters is the positions

1:03:091:03:13

we take in the negotiations, as we

sit down and negotiate the best

1:03:131:03:17

deal. We have shown we can do that.

We did it in December and we are

1:03:171:03:20

going to do it again.

Thank you, Mr

Speaker. Kirklees Council, who serve

1:03:201:03:28

my constituency, have already had

their budget cut by nearly £200

1:03:281:03:33

million, with a possible £45 million

of cuts to come. Which of the

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following things would the Prime

Minister recommend they cut next?

1:03:391:03:43

Care for an older person with

dementia, emptying the bends,

1:03:431:03:47

providing hot school meals for

vulnerable children, libraries,

1:03:471:03:51

leisure centres or museums, or

supporting the 24% of children

1:03:511:03:56

living in poverty? Your choice,

Prime Minister.

I would have thought

1:03:561:04:03

that the honourable lady should have

been welcoming the improvements that

1:04:031:04:07

have taken place in her

constituency. She should have

1:04:071:04:11

welcomed them any more children who

are in good for outstanding schools

1:04:111:04:14

as a result of this government -- be

many more children. She should have

1:04:141:04:18

welcomed the extra help landing and

more people...

The Prime Minister is

1:04:181:04:22

in the middle of giving her answer,

order, members must not shout at the

1:04:221:04:27

Prime Minister when she's giving her

answer. OK.

Thank you, Mr Speaker.

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Recent reports have suggested the

European Commission is asking that

1:04:331:04:36

we enter into certain limited

legally binding agreements in

1:04:361:04:41

relation to bits of our exit in

isolation. Could the Prime Minister

1:04:411:04:45

confirm it remains the government's

policy that nothing is agreed until

1:04:451:04:48

everything is agreed and therefore,

we will only enter into a legally

1:04:481:04:53

binding agreement in relation to the

entire exit agreement and not just

1:04:531:04:57

part of it as Jamaat

my honourable

friend is right and it was reflected

1:04:571:05:04

in the joint report that was

published in December that nothing

1:05:041:05:07

is agreed until everything is

agreed. The negotiations that are

1:05:071:05:10

now taking place firstly, to put

greater detail into the definition

1:05:101:05:15

of the implementation period, and we

expect to do that by the March

1:05:151:05:19

European Council. Alongside that,

there is looking at the legal basis

1:05:191:05:23

of the withdrawal agreement which of

course will have to come to this

1:05:231:05:26

parliament for agreement for both

the withdrawal agreement and the

1:05:261:05:32

implementation built in due course.

At that stage, I would expect to

1:05:321:05:37

have the future relationship set out

in a way so people are able to look

1:05:371:05:40

at the whole package when they come

to make the decision.

Sir Vincent

1:05:401:05:44

cable.

The Prime Minister knows that

one of the key objectives of

1:05:441:05:49

American trade negotiators in any

future deal after Brexit is to

1:05:491:05:54

secure access for American companies

to business in the NHS. Can she give

1:05:541:05:59

an absolute guarantee that in those

negotiations, the NHS will be

1:05:591:06:04

excluded from their scope? And can

she confirmed that in her

1:06:041:06:08

conversations with President drunk,

she has made it absolutely clear to

1:06:081:06:11

him that the NHS is not for sale

question mark -- with President

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Trump.

I want to say to the right

honourable gentleman that we are

1:06:141:06:19

starting the discussions with the

American administration, firstly

1:06:191:06:22

looking at what we can do to

increase trade between the US and UK

1:06:221:06:26

already, even before a possibility

any free trade agreement and he does

1:06:261:06:30

not know what they are going to say

their requirements for the free

1:06:301:06:33

trade agreement, we will go into the

negotiations to get the best

1:06:331:06:36

possible deal for the UK.

1:06:361:06:42

possible deal for the UK.

Mr

Speaker, a recent report by open

1:06:421:06:43

doors highlights the top countries

that suffer horrific persecution

1:06:431:06:48

against Christians. We need to take

action and send a signal to other

1:06:481:06:53

nations. These are countries that

are often associated with luxury

1:06:531:06:57

holidays. Will the Prime Minister

consider it a marking a specific

1:06:571:07:01

fixed percentage of international

aid to go towards tackling religious

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persecution?

Yes, well, I have to

say to my honourable friend that

1:07:041:07:11

this is an issue that I of concern

to many members of this house and I

1:07:111:07:15

was pleased a matter of weeks ago to

meet Father Daniel from

1:07:151:07:26

meet Father Daniel from miniver and

Idlib, who talked about the very

1:07:261:07:28

real persecution is congregation

were suffering and had suffered in

1:07:281:07:32

the past. He presented me with a

Bible which was burned, which had

1:07:321:07:35

been rescued when a church had

actually been set on fire. This is a

1:07:351:07:40

real issue. We are, all of our aid

is distributed on the basis of need

1:07:401:07:46

to ensure civilians are not

disconnected against on the basis of

1:07:461:07:50

race, ethnicity or religion. --

discriminated against. We are

1:07:501:07:55

working with governments, the

international community and the UN

1:07:551:07:57

to support the rights of minorities

and that our aid reaches those in

1:07:571:08:00

need but we will of course further

explore Whatmore support we can give

1:08:001:08:05

-- what more support we can give to

work against persecution of

1:08:051:08:11

religious minorities.

The Prime

Minister will be aware that all free

1:08:111:08:15

trade agreements involve some custom

checks and therefore infrastructure

1:08:151:08:18

at frontiers which would be

completely incompatible with

1:08:181:08:21

maintaining an open border between

Northern Ireland and the republic.

1:08:211:08:25

As the Cabinet subcommittee has

apparently today finally got around

1:08:251:08:28

to discussing this, could the Prime

Minister explain to the house why

1:08:281:08:32

she is so opposed to the UK

remaining in a customs union with

1:08:321:08:37

the EU when not only would this be

better for the British economy than

1:08:371:08:40

a vague deep and special

partnership, whatever that is but

1:08:401:08:45

would help to ensure that the border

remains as it is today which is

1:08:451:08:48

everybody wants? Wright UK is

leaving the European Union. That

1:08:481:08:54

means we are leaving the single

market. We are leaving the customs

1:08:541:08:57

union.

If we were full members of

the customs union, we would not be

1:08:571:09:01

able to do trade deals around the

rest of the world and we are going

1:09:011:09:04

to have an independent trade policy

and do those deals. He asks me about

1:09:041:09:08

customs arrangements but I have to

say to him that I suggest he looks

1:09:081:09:11

to the paper that was published by

the government last summer.

Thank

1:09:111:09:15

you Mr Speaker. Headway, the brain

injury charity, says that a family

1:09:151:09:22

recent had to pay £1500 over 15

weeks for hospital car parking

1:09:221:09:32

charges, Clic Sargeant said families

that have children with Baghdad to

1:09:321:09:35

pay £100, despite the government

misses, hospital staff, nurses and

1:09:351:09:42

Borders have to pay car parking

charges, given unanimous motion last

1:09:421:09:45

week in the House of Commons, will

my honourable friend address this

1:09:451:09:49

social injustice and abolish

hospital car parking charges once

1:09:491:09:52

and for all?

I recognise this is an

issue my honourable friend has been

1:09:521:09:59

campaigning on for some time. As he

says in his question, we have of

1:09:591:10:03

course set strong guidance -- sent

strong guidance to hospital trusts

1:10:031:10:08

on the issue of car parking charges

and we of course look to ensure that

1:10:081:10:12

those are being met. Of course,

individual hospitals are taking

1:10:121:10:16

their own decisions in relation to

this matter but I think it is right

1:10:161:10:21

the government has set very clear

guidelines to hospitals as to how

1:10:211:10:24

they approach this.

Mr Speaker, the

Prime Minister has done much to

1:10:241:10:31

tackle modern slavery but my

constituent was trafficked here as a

1:10:311:10:36

child, sold at least once on the

long journey and then forced to work

1:10:361:10:39

in the dark in a cannabis factory

for years. Now the Home Office is

1:10:391:10:45

proposing to send him back to

Vietnam. Will the Prime Minister

1:10:451:10:50

intervened, not just in this case

but in this complex and confused

1:10:501:10:54

area of the law?

I recognise as the

honourable lady says that there are

1:10:541:11:00

cases which are complex in terms of

the legal application. My right

1:11:001:11:05

honourable friend the Home Secretary

has heard the case the honourable

1:11:051:11:08

lady as set out and I'm sure we will

look at that particular issue, both

1:11:081:11:12

the individual case but also the

wider point that the honourable lady

1:11:121:11:18

is making. I am sure we all want to

ensure that actually, as we know,

1:11:181:11:22

the best possible solution for this

is people like her constituent not

1:11:221:11:26

to be trafficked into the UK in the

first place to be working in

1:11:261:11:29

cannabis factories.

Like many, I'm

delighted to note the good progress

1:11:291:11:35

made in lifting the ban on beef

exports to China. What is my right

1:11:351:11:39

honourable friend doing to ensure

that we are able to export Scotch

1:11:391:11:43

beef and other Scottish products

like whiskey to other parts or all

1:11:431:11:48

parts of the world?

Can I say to my

honourable friend I was very pleased

1:11:481:11:54

when I was in China last week, we

were able to work with the Chinese

1:11:541:11:57

government towards that opening up

of the Chinese market, particularly

1:11:571:12:02

to beef products and also to dairy

products, which are two key issues

1:12:021:12:06

for the UK. But also, I'm pleased to

say the Chief Executive of the

1:12:061:12:12

Scotch Whisky Association was on the

business delegation with me and was

1:12:121:12:16

doing everything that she does most

ably to promote the interests of

1:12:161:12:20

Scotch whiskey and of course, the

answer to his question is what we

1:12:201:12:26

are doing is making sure we can have

an independent trade policy,

1:12:261:12:29

developing trade deals around the

rest of the world which means that

1:12:291:12:34

good Scottish products and indeed

good products from the rest of UK

1:12:341:12:36

can be sold around world.

Mr

Speaker, the centuries-old UK in, a

1:12:361:12:45

world-class company, Britain's third

biggest engineering company is

1:12:451:12:48

facing a hostile takeover by

Melrose, leading to break up,

1:12:481:12:52

sell-off, closures and redundancies.

That would be to make a mockery of

1:12:521:12:56

industrial strategy. Can I ask the

Prime Minister this, that government

1:12:561:13:01

has the power to intervene because

of the defence work carried out by

1:13:011:13:06

GKN? Will the Prime Minister act in

the national interest and block this

1:13:061:13:11

unwanted takeover?

I can say to the

honourable gentleman that of course

1:13:111:13:16

the business department will be

looking closely and have been

1:13:161:13:19

following closely the issue he has

raised and I can assure him that I

1:13:191:13:22

and the government as a whole will

always act in the UK national

1:13:221:13:25

interest.

With the largest

undeveloped brownfield sites in the

1:13:251:13:32

country located in my constituency

at Stanton, will my right honourable

1:13:321:13:35

friend explain to the house at the

new housing infrastructure fund will

1:13:351:13:39

help residents buy a new home?

Can I

say to my honourable friend that I

1:13:391:13:45

think the housing infrastructure

fund is a very important

1:13:451:13:47

development, one of the major

complaints that constituent often

1:13:471:13:51

have and residents have when they

see the possibility of development

1:13:511:13:53

in their area is lack of

infrastructure. What the housing

1:13:531:13:57

infrastructure fund enables is

infrastructure to be built and put

1:13:571:14:00

in place so it can support of

elements in a way that helps support

1:14:001:14:04

local residents. -- support

developments. I'm pleased the

1:14:041:14:09

announcement of nearly £900 million

which the Housing Secretary

1:14:091:14:12

announced last week, we are seeing

real interest in the housing

1:14:121:14:15

infrastructure fund, which is making

a difference and enabling more homes

1:14:151:14:18

to be built and more of her

constituents to be able to buy her

1:14:181:14:22

own -- their own homes.

My

constituent is 58, she has the

1:14:221:14:27

beauty, four pins in her leg, a

walking frame and is just out of

1:14:271:14:31

hospital after having clot her long

billy dragged along, she got exactly

1:14:311:14:37

do the job centre, having found the

government posted on Friday, will

1:14:371:14:40

she apologise for not having told

any of the constituency Bridgestone

1:14:401:14:43

whose job centres were being closed,

will she refund my constituent the

1:14:431:14:47

£10 she spent on a taxi and Wilshere

apologise for this absolutely

1:14:471:14:52

ridiculous situation?

I say to the

honourable lady that yes, we are

1:14:521:14:56

seeing some job being closed in

Scotland. There's not going to be

1:14:561:15:00

any decrease in the level of service

offered to the people of Scotland.

1:15:001:15:03

We are increasing the number of work

coaches across the country. What we

1:15:031:15:08

are doing is ensuring that we can

continue to provide a good service

1:15:081:15:11

to the people of Scotland.

Thank

you, Mr Speaker. Intimidation on

1:15:111:15:18

social media is a growing issue for

many people across the country and

1:15:181:15:23

yesterday, highlighted especially

for women standing for election. Can

1:15:231:15:26

my right honourable friend update us

on the progress being made and does

1:15:261:15:29

she agree we should take no lessons

from a party whose Shadow Chancellor

1:15:291:15:33

has called for violence against

women?

Yes, can I say to my

1:15:331:15:43

honourable friend that I think this

issue is a particularly important

1:15:431:15:46

one. I announced yesterday, I said

yesterday, as indeed my right

1:15:461:15:51

honourable friend the Home Secretary

said at the weekend, we are

1:15:511:15:55

consulting on a new offence of

intimidation of election candidates

1:15:551:15:58

and campaigners. That follows the

report from the committee about the

1:15:581:16:04

degree to which intimidation was

done to at the last election,

1:16:041:16:11

particularly women, BME and LGBT

candidates. This is an absolute

1:16:111:16:15

disgrace, it has no part in our

public life and I would urge the

1:16:151:16:19

Shadow Chancellor once again come he

keeps refusing to do this, to

1:16:191:16:23

apologise to the Secretary of State

for Work and Pensions for saying she

1:16:231:16:27

should be lynched.

Order.

1:16:271:16:31

Prime Minister's questions come to

an end. It is just after quarter to

1:16:391:16:44

one. Jeremy Corbyn, of surprise to

some of us, went on about leader

1:16:441:16:48

police numbers and police funding,

and law and order is regarded as

1:16:481:16:53

kind of a Tory issue, but Mr Corbyn

decided to go in on this and using

1:16:531:17:01

statistics effectively, he talked

about the cuts of 1000, and when she

1:17:011:17:08

came in as Home Secretary, 2.3

billion pounds, real cuts, and the

1:17:081:17:15

doctor but the highest recorded

crime in 25 years. Getting into

1:17:151:17:18

crime figures there is of course

always annoyed and between the

1:17:181:17:23

recorded crime and the survey crime,

recorded crime being what the police

1:17:231:17:26

actually log but survey crime being

people ask if they have been victims

1:17:261:17:29

of crime, and if so, what. He also

pointed out there were

1:17:291:17:44

pointed out there were 6003000 --

6003000 fewer police.

1:17:441:17:45

Mr Corbyn was pretty much on top of

things, though he did find himself

1:17:511:17:55

uttering the sentence crime is

wrong, which I suppose should not be

1:17:551:17:58

a surprise coming from the leader of

Her Majesty's opposition. Still with

1:17:581:18:04

me, Greg Hands and Shadow Transport

Minister Rachael Maskell.

1:18:041:18:11

Interesting that Jeremy Corbyn feels

comfortable on the law and order

1:18:111:18:13

front?

Yes, and I think Labour learn

this was an issue during the general

1:18:131:18:20

election that could play to their

advantage. If you think back to the

1:18:201:18:23

terrible terror attacks this really

became an issue in the closing

1:18:231:18:26

stages of the election campaign that

raced up the political agenda, and

1:18:261:18:30

although as you say traditionally

law and order is a Tory issue, the

1:18:301:18:34

Labour Party managed to really quite

successfully push and push on that

1:18:341:18:39

issue in the general election

campaign, and played too, you know,

1:18:391:18:41

some of the worry and anxiety among

members of the public

1:18:411:18:52

members of the public at crime going

up, depending on which survey you

1:18:521:18:54

really believe, and police services

around the country, time and again,

1:18:541:18:56

as chief constables worn, being

under very real pressure.

1:18:561:18:58

Is broadly true that if you use the

recent recorded crime figures, it

1:18:581:19:01

shows a rise, and that is what Mr

Corbyn referred to, but if you use

1:19:011:19:05

the survey figures you don't get the

same rise?

That's right. As you say,

1:19:051:19:10

traditionally there is this debate

between things that are noted down,

1:19:101:19:14

when someone goes back to a police

station to report something, and the

1:19:141:19:18

things people report when asked

face-to-face. Other Office for

1:19:181:19:22

National Statistics which of course

does not have an axe to grind in

1:19:221:19:24

this

1:19:241:19:30

this fight. The neutral body, they

said after the last statistics came

1:19:301:19:32

out, they said some of the recent

rise is down to better recording, so

1:19:321:19:35

some of it is because more people

are coming forward, rather than

1:19:351:19:38

society somehow becoming more

dangerous.

And that is what Mrs May

1:19:381:19:43

referred to with the changing

methodology?

That's right, but it

1:19:431:19:46

has also been said there is a

genuine rise in violent crime, so a

1:19:461:19:53

mixed picture, but you can't just

shrug it all off and say, oh, they

1:19:531:19:56

just count it a different way.

What

do you think, that Mr Corbyn is this

1:19:561:20:03

are able to move onto your turf?

I

disagree. I think it is

1:20:031:20:08

extraordinary that Corbyn felt after

two and a half years as leader of

1:20:081:20:11

the opposition that he had to say

the crime was wrong and I think

1:20:111:20:16

Theresa May was very effective in

pointing out that the offer, the

1:20:161:20:20

very tough anti-crime laws that Mr

Corbyn himself had voted against. If

1:20:201:20:24

you look at his record over the last

30 years in Parliament he is an

1:20:241:20:27

individual has voted against a whole

raft of different crime measures,

1:20:271:20:31

whether it be on terrorism, street

crime, etc, so I think Corbyn is

1:20:311:20:36

very vulnerable actually.

He didn't

vote for the 21,000 cuts to police

1:20:361:20:40

officers and you did.

As with all

these things, Corbyn is unable to

1:20:401:20:45

come up with- every week at PMQs key

pledges more and more money for so

1:20:451:20:51

many different things and there is

never any sense of where this money

1:20:511:20:53

will come from. The actual reality

is Labour if they were in charge

1:20:531:20:56

would crash the economy, there would

be far less money available. As the

1:20:561:21:02

Prime Minister makes clear you have

to have a growing economy to pay for

1:21:021:21:05

these public services in the first

place.

The ONS says, from its report

1:21:051:21:11

of January the 25th, using the

latest figures, "Our assessment is

1:21:111:21:15

crime levels continue to fall,

consistent with long-term trends,

1:21:151:21:19

but not all types of crime have

fallen. " Was that scaremongering

1:21:191:21:26

from Mr Corbyn?

If you look at the

figures we are violent crime up 20%,

1:21:261:21:33

sexual crime is rising, issues

around online cyber crime really

1:21:331:21:38

skyrocketing at the moment, so it is

going up and that is a real concern

1:21:381:21:41

to the public. Ultimately, our

policy has got to be about public

1:21:411:21:45

safety, and what Mr Corbyn really

did emphasise was addressing the

1:21:451:21:49

causes of crime, and those issues

clearly not being addressed with the

1:21:491:21:54

cuts to services and the money

withdrawn from local authorities to

1:21:541:21:57

keep community safer.

The ONS points

out it is police recorded crime that

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is the main source of evidence for

rises in knife and gun crime, the

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sort of violent crime you have been

talking about. And of course that is

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the kind - there are many crimes

that happened that are not reported

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but the survey picks them up, but

even gun crime, most of that is

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pretty much reported, and it shows

quite a serious rise.

I think we are

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all acknowledging there are issues

there a road knife and gun crime,

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particularly I might see in London,

around where I am -- around knife

1:22:291:22:33

and gun crime. There has been arise

there, and also a perception of that

1:22:331:22:38

rise. The overall crime survey...

Just to remind our viewers, when you

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say...

The MP

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for Chelsea...

But it fatalities

from knife crime last year. --

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Chelsea and Phil. It is like an

American city, 80 -- Chelsea and

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Fulham.

The number of police

officers in London has remained

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pretty constant, around 31,000,

since the Olympics. The question is

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how the operation and how the police

resources are allocated within

1:23:221:23:25

London.

So it is the mayor's

response ability, not central

1:23:251:23:30

government?

It is the mayor's was

once ability to allocate those

1:23:301:23:34

resources. The number of officers

overall has been pretty constant at

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around 30 1000.

But it is not just

in London but all around the country

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-- around 30 1000. We have

conservatives running our police

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service were crying...

So it doesn't

matter who is in charge locally. It

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is going up -- our police services

were crying...

It has a significant

1:23:531:24:00

impact on crime.

1:24:001:24:02

I will just point out, we were

talking about Germany earlier, one

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of the remarkable developments, the

creation of their coalition

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government, which still has to be

approved by SPD members, is that a

1:24:191:24:25

hard right party is a Des Smyth

official opposition in Germany, with

1:24:251:24:29

93 members in the Bundestag -- is

now the official opposition party in

1:24:291:24:36

Germany. It is well to the right of

Ukip. That is quite a remarkable

1:24:361:24:40

development.

It certainly is and it

is a cause for anxiety among many

1:24:401:24:46

political circles in the European

Union. They are now therefore out on

1:24:461:24:51

there own, able to criticise, and

not sort of bought in, but it was a

1:24:511:24:56

very difficult situation in Germany

for Angela Merkel.

The development,

1:24:561:25:04

that far right group, and now they

get crucial committees in the

1:25:041:25:09

Bundestag. Anyway, George Osborne,

he used to be your boss, didn't he?

1:25:091:25:13

I was Chief Secretary under him as

Chancellor, yes.

Good man? Sound

1:25:131:25:20

man?

Yes, he was, good person to

work for.

Sound judgment? Good

1:25:201:25:25

Chancellor? Siam and he is now doing

a different job. But a good

1:25:251:25:31

Chancellor, you think?

He did a good

job, reduced the deficit by three

1:25:311:25:35

quarters. When a good, because he

has written in the Standard this

1:25:351:25:38

morning, there is no escaping the

simple economic trough. -- truth.

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Outside of the customs union the

things we buy will go up. The

1:25:461:25:49

ability to sell will be reduced.

Britain will have consciously

1:25:491:25:54

engaged in the biggest act of

protectionism in our history. Sound

1:25:541:25:58

man?

I disagree with that because I

think if we were to stay in the

1:25:581:26:02

customs union but have no say over

the rules determining the comment

1:26:021:26:08

tariff, and determining the EU's

trade policy, I think it would be

1:26:081:26:11

the worst of all worlds.

So he is

wrong when he says the cost of

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things will go up as we leave the

customs union?

Most of the modelling

1:26:141:26:20

that has been done does not include

the scenario laid out by the Prime

1:26:201:26:23

Minister in her Florence speech. The

different modelling that has been

1:26:231:26:27

done at different points, none of it

1:26:271:26:30

includes the optimal scenario the UK

Government is trying to negotiate

1:26:301:26:36

and that is the important thing.

-Year-old department, with certain

1:26:361:26:40

free-trade deals -- your old

department. It says AmeriCorps, with

1:26:401:26:48

only 0.2% of our GDP -- it says that

America, our biggest trading partner

1:26:481:26:57

outside the EU.

It also says the

others will add less than 0.2% would

1:26:571:27:01

seemed a little unusual.

The

free-trade deal does not compensate

1:27:011:27:07

for leaving the customs union, does

that?

Don't forget this modelling

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does not include the Government

scenario we want to have in terms of

1:27:121:27:16

the Florence speech...

Why isn't the

civil service producing modelling

1:27:161:27:19

that reflects Government policy?

You are the Government, are due? You

1:27:191:27:27

are the international Trade

Minister. Why don't you get a model

1:27:271:27:30

that suits your policy?

That

modelling is in development.

Paris,

1:27:301:27:40

Berlin, London?

What the modelling

should include, Andrew, in an ideal

1:27:401:27:44

world, is all of the scenarios we

would like to achieve...

So why

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doesn't it?

Because the modelling

has not been finished yet.

Oh, so it

1:27:481:27:54

will now do modelling based on the

Government's position.

The document

1:27:541:27:59

put out was a draft and early form.

It is not for me...

So is it going

1:27:591:28:03

to do the modelling of the foreign

trade, the International trade

1:28:031:28:08

scenario, you would like to see?

What it has done is taken

1:28:081:28:14

selectively, for example, it

cushions the USFTA is done, but it

1:28:141:28:21

does not say that the other FTAs

would be done in that modelling...

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The answer to guess the year, far

more important to free-trade

1:28:251:28:30

agreements and the customs union.

The answer was 1986. Rachael

1:28:301:28:37

Maskell, could you press that button

so we can find the winner?

1:28:371:28:47

so we can find the winner? Ian

Everest from Newhaven has won.

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That's all for today.

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The one o'clock news is starting

over on BBC One now.

1:28:521:29:00

Andrew Neil is joined by international trade minister Greg Hands and shadow rail minister Rachael Maskell for live coverage of PMQs.


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