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Our I'm afraid they may be
disappointed for some time to come.
The sense that we get with these
meetings is that they have not been
a forum for making decisions but for
expressing opinions. I am large,
everybody has set out what their
views are but there has not been an
attempt to draw the feds together
and say we will discount that all go
with that. It has been an occasion
for Mrs May to take on where the
balance of opinion lies with key
Cabinet ministers which means the
time frame for getting clarity would
seem to me to be disappearing
several weeks hence. Which, of
course, leaves nerves jangling
because we move ever closer to that
crunch March EU summit when we have
to have some sort of clarity about
what it is we are seeking. You say
this has been an opportunity for
Cabinet ministers to air their own
views about what they see as the
relationship with the EU once we
leave. Is there going to be a
compromise having gathered that
information to try and find a way
through and bridge these two sides,
one who wants to say closely aligned
with the EU and another which wants
a clean break.
That is almost going
to be inevitable because of the
fundamental divide within the
Cabinet over the issue of trade.
Some ministers like Philip Hammond
believe the name of the game is
staying close to the EU to minimise
damage to the economy and others
like Boris Johnson who believe the
golden opportunity is to cut loose
and strike free trade deals.
Fundamental difference about whether
national interest lies. The way you
bridge that, keep everyone on board
is frankly by some rather elastic
language, I would point, for
example, to the big soup of
compromise reached over the Northern
Ireland border. Everybody has talked
about regulatory and alignment. I
think creative language will have to
be used. But that hits the buffers
when the EU say, that's fine but
what does it mean. If you are not
able to say precisely what you want,
the danger is the EU negotiator
simply sees that the -- seize the
initiative and say hypothetically
here is a free-trade deal. You see
the process to the EU. When
widespread allegations of sexual
harassment and bullying are merged
at Westminster in autumn, the fact
that that it should happen at the
seat of democracy should be a source
of shame for is all, said the Prime
The leaders of the main
political parties agreed to set up a
working group to address those
concerns. The new proposals were
agreed yesterday and were set up
this morning. A new grievance
procedure, after hearing from over
250 people who have experienced
sexual harassment at Westminster in
the past year. The committee,
chaired by Andrea Leadsom said that
harassment had been a feature of the
lives of many people working in
Parliament. The grievance procedure
would provide practical and
emotional support to complainers
regardless of whether they report
the matter to the police or not.
They will be a trained sexual
violence adviser who will lead the
process that could result in a
written apology or workplace
training for the perpetrator. Based
on the balance of probabilities,
action will be taken based on the
work of the parliamentary committee
for standards. Confidentiality of
all those involved will be protected
throughout. MPs who are found to
have harassed staff could face
suspension or recall. The proposals
will be debated by MPs later this
month. Angela, just listening to
that, do you think there is enough
that's new that is going to toughen
up the procedure for MPs and staff
and also the culture?
It's a good
start but it won't be the end of it.
I worked as a researcher in
Parliament. Working in Parliament
for most people including me has
been a positive experience. It makes
it worse when you have these
complaints from people of sexual
harassment or bullying. This is why
the reporters so essential to take
The numbers are quite
alarming. You say it is a great
place to work and for the majority
it is but one in five have
experienced or witnessed harassment
or inappropriate sexual behaviour.
That shocks me. I think it's
appalling. If you talk to women in
other workplaces you hear the same
story but I would has to be better
and set an example. I think there is
something that we could move more
quickly on, the adviser that is
available to report things too. That
is new and as quickly as possible,
it's something in the Labour Party
we've been pushing for and I are
pleased it's in there.
say to completely change the culture
of bullying and harassment there has
to be formal union recognition.
you agree with them? I do. I
encourage anyone who works in
Parliament to be a member of their
trade union. It's a safe space for
those dealing with such issues.
There should be formal recognition
and any member of staff working in
any place of work should benefit
from trade union membership.
that have been a priority for the
Labour members working on these
They are trying to
get agreement across the board. I
think it's been quite a challenging
exercise for everybody involved.
Understanding this scale of the
problem. We tend to talk about
sexual harassment and I think
bullying and intimidation in the
workplace is equally unpleasant. It
may not be so severe in places but
if you are facing bullying day in,
day out and are uncomfortable for
any reason in the workplace, then
something has to be done and action
needs to be taken.
What about the
sanctions? It looks as though there
will be the power, which already
existed in some ways, in terms of
MPs recall, that will come after
investigation and the ability to
Fears can be expelled
for different reasons.
I'm slightly uncomfortable
about recall for MPs. Thereafter
recommendations about recall is. I'm
not sure on where in the scale it
should be introduced. I'd like to
see the power of the constituents on
this one. There is a way forward on
it but I'm not 100% certain in my
mind what that is yet.
Would you be
unhappy if that much power was
vested in to the Parliamentary
Commissioner for standards?
to be wider than the Parliamentary
commission. If we put it in the
hands of one person, it would rather
be uncomfortable for me. There's a
lot of discussion going on and they
haven't reached agreement yet. The
work the committee has put in has
been extraordinary, the time, energy
and effort has been excellent and I
congratulate them for what they've
done so far.
We will return to this
later in the programme. The Prime
Minister is getting 20 of advice
from within her party on what
position to take on Brexit. She's
not the only one. Jeremy Corbyn is
also pressed by his party to come
out in favour of a much closer
relationship with the EU after
Brexit. Have a look.
is waiting to see if public opinion
moves in a particular direction. I'm
saying, I would argue, in the end,
you've got to lead and make the
argument for your values.
want to be a rebel. I want our party
to seize this opportunity to
demonstrate that in contrast of
these wretched government, we can
live up to our national
responsibilities and our
Both government and parties are
finding it hard to move forward so a
referendum on a new question about
the future relationship may become
The question is whether
or not Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell
and the Shadow Cabinet will lead us
to a position where we can defeat
the government. Call me
old-fashioned, it is in the interest
of opposition to beat the government
We're joined now by Alastair
Campbell, he's former director
of communications to Tony Blair,
he's editor at large
of the New European,
and he's found time to write
a new novel about football
and terrorism in the 1970s.
And of course Angela Smith
is still here, I don't know if she's
working on any novels.
A subject for another time!
Cathartic it may be.
I am living in
a novel at the moment.
alone. The same subject kept
cropping up there in those various
clips from Labour politicians. Lead.
Why don't your own MPs and peers
think the parties doing enough to
lead on Brexit?
I think we are doing
enough to lead on Brexit.
Let's see what
happens in the House of Lords and
the House of Commons. We haven't got
the arithmetic and the House of
Commons. You look at the Article 50
amendment, they were able to
persuade their own people to vote
down our amendment. There are key
issues coming up that will come back
to the House of Commons that are key
Labour Party policies on dealing
with this, things like the
transition period, Henry VIII
powers. When we talk about bringing
back control to the UK, what we see
is bringing back control to
government ministers. There are
issues like that, and the Charter of
fundamental rights, those kinds of
issues we have shown great
Do you share the
frustration of MPs who feel that the
leadership is not being clear about
what it wants in terms of exit Mac
and an end relationship with the EU
and it needs to come off the fence?
I don't think it is the frustration
of MPs, out in the country there is
massive frustration, and I agree
with Angela, I've followed a lot of
the Lords debate, and hopefully that
Lords will change this process but I
think in the Commons, the fact
yesterday Jeremy Corbyn yet again
cannot bring himself to challenge
them on this single most important
issue facing the country, the fact
that millions and millions of people
are genuinely concerned that with
opposition and government handling
it differently but saying this is
happening, people are feeling
frustrated. Parliament isn't
reflecting the debate in the
What you say to that that
Jeremy Corbyn doesn't bring up the
issue of Brexit in the Commons?
does bring it up.
One of the
great tragedies of Brexit is the
other issues the government should
be dealing with like the housing
issue and the health service.
when he does that, the reason why
the government is failing on things
like health and housing and crime
and these things is because they are
totally consumed on sorting out
their own problems on Brexit and
Jeremy Corbyn doesn't challenge
Theresa May on it.
It is perfectly
evident and the Labour Party as a
whole and Jeremy and Keir Starmer
have put pressure on the government
to say what your policy is.
about Labour's policy?
cabinet had a meeting to decide what
their policy is on Brexit. Theresa
May wants to go around the table and
hear their policy on Brexit.
think I've ever known a government
quite as shambolic as this one.
Every day I will turn on the news,
the Cabinet is meeting to decide the
strategy on Brexit. They've been
saying it since June 2016 and Labour
should be ripping them apart.
talk about that because a YouGov
poll which I've probably seen says
that if Labour was to come off the
fence on Brexit, it will lose
support. I know it is a poor but it
is quite interesting.
Because it is
You could say Labour are
playing a strategic binder because
by being opaque and by focusing on
the government, they've actually
managed to hold the support they've
I'll admit at the last election
I thought we'd get punished for
appearing to be a bit leave and a
bit remain. It didn't happen. But
this is happening. And I think
leadership ultimately is facing the
country up to the biggest issues and
there is a real danger the
government strategy appears to be we
have to get outcome what may,
whatever the cost. Labour's strategy
is we will do that as well but in a
That is unfair because
we've been clear. I campaign for
remain, our policy was remain. Since
the referendum what we have said is
the benefits of the single market
and the customs union, they are in
the EU. When we leave, we are not
saying we won't negotiate, we have
to negotiate what our position is if
we leave. That is where the failure
of government lies. Then negotiating
strategy from the beginning has been
to rule out the very things the
public didn't have a say on.
you're saying you want to be clearer
about remaining in the single market
and Customs union.
transition phase, when these things
are being negotiated...
It is. What the
government cannot do is rule it out
and not look at the evidence to say
this is dangerous. They are taking
the economy to a cliff edge and the
government has to take
responsibility. If we were in
government, we would have those
negotiations on a completely
has said in the last few weeks
Brexit will happen and it will be a
disaster. Do you accept you are a
part of what Alistair Alistair
Campbell has said?
If we were in the
negotiations, it would be different,
we would start from a different
One of the reasons I think
people talk about public opinion
It isn't, is it, the
Paul Sturrock show that.
If you have
the government and most of the media
saying done deal, can't revisit it,
that debate doesn't reopen. Jeremy
Corbyn could be leading this but he
doesn't want to.
doesn't want to give information.
Let's talk about Labour.
is valid. Public opinion is not
getting information. Whenever the
government does an analysis of the
economy they tried to hide the
information and it has to be dragged
kicking and screaming. What is clear
nobody wants the kind of extremist
Brexit Jabez Rees Mogg and others
interview, with all due respect,
you've criticised the process, and
the government for the way they are
handling the negotiations. Alistair
Campbell and others are talking
about a statement of intent, about
what you want, about what the party
is trying to achieve. There hasn't
been much of that, has there, for
What the state is meant of
intent is that they want is we will
remain in the EU. That isn't the
state of intent. The Labour Party
has accepted the referendum but we
are saying we would do it
Do you accept that,
that is to position the Labour Party
will not take up?
I accept the
difficulty of the politics.
really believe they will say we will
remain in the EU at some point?
politics are difficult and I hope
that as this goes on, we reach an
understanding that if we decide the
costs are too high, the coast is too
great, the risk to Britain's
standing in the world is too great,
the threat to the peace process in
Northern Ireland is real, they have
to follow through the logic. That
means the public should be
As a former strategist,
you wouldn't be saying that at this
point, because you admitted facing
both ways has helped.
I'll tell you
why I would because the country is
desperate for leadership. They are
not getting it from the government.
The government is a total, complete
shambles. Amber Rudd did a very
revealing interview at the weekend
where she said we are looking for
something all of us can live with.
She meant the ministers. They've
lost sight of the public and I think
if Labour came out and lead, we've
looked at this, every which way,
this is going to damage. Look at the
stuff yesterday. In the north-east,
West Midlands, Northern Ireland and
Scotland, that is what they want.
Would that be a more honourable
position to take, never mind the
representative view of Labour,
because at the moment all you are
doing is coming in behind the
government on saying we are doing
this badly, you're doing this wrong,
but you haven't got a suggestion.
are saying how we would do
differently and that is important.
To achieve what?
If there is going
to be Brexit in this country, and
that is where we are, and we have
accepted the result, we don't
believe the way that it is doing. It
doesn't have a policy on trade.
shouldn't leave until been away
where we are going.
Where is Labour
We needed transition phase.
Don't laugh. I'm not laughing at the
transition phase, it is about
delaying the point at which Labour
is clear what they want to do.
have been clear. In negotiations we
would never rule out being in the
customs union or the single market.
And, yet, whenever there's been a
vote in parliament, it seems to be
the whip is to say don't vote for
It hasn't. These are matters for
negotiation, and we want to keep
certain things like the Northern
Ireland border. That is interesting.
It is not resolved. They can't
resolve it and how they will
Was it wrong for the
Labour Party to whip their MPs to
stop them voting against some of the
Brexit deals that have gone through
The Brexit deal, we haven't
We have had Article 50. The
withdrawal bill. And Labour MPs were
told not to vote against these
There's not to do with the
deal. Article 50 was to start the
process which was recognising the
referendum. The withdrawal bill is
nothing to do with leaving the EU.
What it is a technical bill, about
bringing all the protections
contributed to back into UK domestic
The meaningful vote, Alistair,
what would you like to see Labour
MPs do? RU minded, if you were in
the position now advising Jeremy
Corbyn, vote against the deal
whatever its content?
No, you have
to judge it. Keir Starmer some while
ago set out the tests again which
you should judge it. And I cannot
see I've laboured to that how they
can support the deal which is...
That in effect is saying vote down
the deal, and what would happen?
am in an easier position than Angela
because I'm not part of the inner
circle and I can say what I think. I
think this is going to be a disaster
and I think there is a danger we are
helping the government facilitate
this disaster. Because they are not
being held to account, I think, in
the way they should be, particularly
in the Commons where Theresa May
seems to go to PMQs week after week,
she will get health, education...
That seems like praise of the House
of Lords, Alistair!
Campbell is saying you are not
holding the government to account in
the way that you should or could be.
I think we are stop with they should
be run ragged at the moment.
are. The polls don't indicate you
are going ahead of them.
should we do about the country?
you look, they are forced provide
information and publish information
they've tried to keep secret showing
how damaging Brexit, as they wanted,
So we should say we don't
want it. We need to go out and say
to the people who voted leave, we
know why you're angry, that is what
we will address but we went do it
with this hard Brexit.
And is to
Campbell, thank you.
The front page of this
morning's Daily Telegraph has
caused a bit of a stir,
thanks to its front page (GFX
which says the investor
George Soros, known as 'the man
who broke the Bank of England',
is 'backing a secret
plot to thwart Brexit'.
The report, which carries the byline
of Theresa May's former
adviser Nick Timothy,
is about the plan by one
remain-supporting campaign group
to try and bring about a second
referendum to keep
Britain in the EU.
Well, the former Ukip MEP
Steven Woolfe has claimed that
what he calls "ultra-remainers"
are now speaking with a single
voice and wants leave
campaigners to do the same.
He joins me now from Strasbourg.
I don't quite understand what you
are worried about, unless you are
running scared from a running
campaign, then perhaps it is doing
the same as the leave campaign
before the referendum.
No, what I
was concerned about is that the
Remainers or the ultra-Remainers, as
you have heard they don't want to
listen to voters. What they've done
since that referendum is being
incredibly well organised, they've
managed to get their people in
places to be able to articulate
their view that this will be a
disaster, that leaving the EU will
cause immense problems in the
future. And also they are incredibly
well funded. As you can see from
today's newspapers, what you have is
a UK-based organisation, accepting a
large donation from a non-UK banking
billionaire. To be frank, that
reminds me a little bit of the
Rodolfo plot in 1571 where we had a
Florentine banker trying to help a
team assassinate Elizabeth the
first. This isn't the first time
that we've had...
bankrolling political campaigns is
hardly new, is it? This isn't
anything secret, they are hiding in
plain sight. The complaints you're
making you could say the leave
campaign was a pretty aggressive,
legitimate campaign that wanted to
leave the EU and the government has
said the country will leave the EU.
You are part of a campaign that
wanted the government to rule out
the possibility of staying in the
single market. They've said it will
happen and the same with the customs
union so where are these
ultra-Remainers taking the lead?
I think what you hear when I go up
and down the country as I still do
and attend meetings and speak to
ordinary people, they are incredibly
fed up by the negativity that seems
to be on the media particularly, not
just shows like this, in all
different ways, that seems to say
that the leave vote is a
particularly bad scenario. They
don't feel they have had their voice
of a I've argued that we should have
had a low regulation Singapore style
of economy moving forward that
includes all the key points that we
wanted, control of our borders,
having our money back and trying to
distribute that in the right places,
making sure that the European Court
of Justice is no longer in control
and democracy for our people and not
Have you got support
from everyone and all of these
groups you have brought together?
I've certainly been talking to them
and you saw with my actions taking
Lord B Jones and John Longworth from
leave means leave and from Labour
leave. We've been pulling these
groups together. You'll see some
action on these front in the next
Do you need Nigel Farage
two, and leave this -- lead this
No, absolutely not. Nigel
has taken a very different route. He
still articulates leaving the
European Union and is a strong voice
but he's someone who's more
interested in being in the media as
a personality. What we need to look
at now is those people have
experience in dealing with the
economy of Britain, those needed to
create laws across a whole spectrum
of policy issues, those are the
people with experience that you have
got. In UK politics and in the
Conservative Party, you have the DRG
with Jacob Rees-Mogg and others like
Would you Jacob Rees-Mogg to
lead this new group? You seem
infused by his leadership of the
European research group.
he's doing a sterling job with the
DRG and all the other Conservative
MPs backing Brexit to the hilt. They
would obviously be part of this.
Over the next 4-6 weeks where we've
got a mission critical timing ahead
of others because of what I see in
the European Parliament in relation
to the vote and the way that the
commission is pulling together a
whole series of papers that we need
to challenge that and put forward
some very positive messages. I know,
for example, that one group is run
bringing a really strong message of
how Britain would be successful in a
big way if we adopt a certain set of
Arron Banks is encouraging
former Ukip members to flood back
into the Conservative Party to
change the course of history again.
Do you agree with Arron Banks?
think through the people he speaks
to in his group, the decision that
there is no political party
challenging the Labour Party or
those in the ultra-Remainer groups.
Should they be brought back into the
I think they
have to take their own decision. If
they are Labour supporters they can
back John Mills and the Labour lead
group. If they are like myself
conservatives who believe in a
different vision for Europe they can
fight the Conservative fight. This
is a national group of the future
and we need people from different
political front to attack the
Are you a
That was an
extraordinary interview. Please
leave campaign won the referendum
and now they seemed to be in a panic
and I suspect it is because people
are rejecting the extremist Brexit
that we have heard articulated and a
lack of confidence in the government
who deliver any form of Brexit at
all. I don't blame him for trying
but he is on a lost cause with a
What do you think?
There we go again with the language
of extremist exit. This isn't
helpful. It is the sort of language
that we heard when they said the old
are destroying the lives of young
people or are racist, it's a
disgrace. Is. We have an economy
that will move forward successfully
in the future.
And Samir question if
you will. If the economy is going to
do so well through exit, why is all
the evidence showing the opposite?
I've never been called an extremist
in my life, I find that quite
referendum campaign we had the sort
of economic reports suggesting from
even then the Chancellor that we
would lose 400,000 jobs and have an
emergency budget and this is the
same type of argument on economic
's. We have seen more people in
We haven't left yet.
in manufacturing and different
sectors. We haven't left and you
can't have your cake and eat it and
say that the economy is growing not
We are going to have to end
it there. I can't remember how many
times people have said have your
cake and eat it. One day, we will.
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Now, the German Chancellor
Angela Merkel looks close to finally
securing a new coalition government.
Germany had been stuck in political
limbo since September's inconclusive
general election saw the mainstream
parties lose support
to the far-right AfD -
they had tapped into anger over
Angela Merkel's refugee policy.
But after a failed attempt
to forge an alliance
with two smaller parties,
Mrs Merkel was forced to woo
back the reluctant SPD,
her junior partner for two
of her three terms.
We're joined now by our Berlin
Correspondent, Damien McGuinness.
Is it a done deal?
Not yet. It was
confirmed yesterday that there is a
proposed deal between those two
partners, the centre-left and
centre-right. Their party leaders
might want this but the centre-left
SPD have pledged to give their
members vote. That is 460,000 people
across Germany. It will be a postal
ballot. It won't be until the
beginning of March that we know
whether the members have accepted
it. It's possible that they might
reject it. It is looking pretty
50-50. Many SPD members and
centre-left voters feel they were
scarred badly by the last coalition
with the Conservatives under Angela
Merkel. That is why they would
rather go into opposition and
refined themselves. It is going to
be a nerve-racking few weeks for
German politics and Angela Merkel.
If this gets rejected in March, we
could be looking at starting all
over again. It's been almost five
months since the elections and it
could mean fresh elections which
would mean no government until
autumn. If they vote yes, we would
have a government in place by
It looks as though there is
going to be a coalition government
confirmed until March at the
earliest. Looking at the
negotiations, what sort of price is
Angela Merkel paying to bring the
SPD, the Labour Party, into
This vote with
their members is hanging over her
head. That's why she had to give
away some pretty big ministries
including labour, the finance
ministry, which is unusual, she
would have wanted to hang onto that
ordinarily. These are tricky
powerful and key members and she has
been criticised by business leaders
and some grassroots supporters. On
many policies, she has given away
but if we look at the list overall
it is a lot of compromises. No big
grand vision. It could help Germans
in their daily lives, building more
homes, better infrastructure,
sorting out health care, more money
for these things. These are aspects
of the German economy, domestic
issues that have been issues over
the last few months and the
government has been called upon to
do more on them.
The government has
been diminished somewhat by this
wrangling and Angela Merkel has
emboldened her main opposition
party, the AfD.
You would think she
has been weakened but her ratings
are still quite high. Everyone
around her has been weakened even
more, certainly the leader of the
centre-left SPD party, Martin
shorts. His ratings have fallen to
the ground. Angela Merkel is popular
among mainstream Germans but she is
unpopular with a large minority who
disagree with her refugee policy.
What happens depends on this vote
with the social Democrats. That
would mean going back to scratch and
effectively no permanent government
for a year in Germany. That would be
seen as her fault because it would
have meant she had two goals at
forming a coalition and failed. It
would be hard to imagine she would
not be weakened by that. If this
government is pulled together there
is no reason to feel that she
couldn't lead that government. There
is a lot of movement behind the
scenes about who might replace her
because many people assume she
wouldn't run for another term. If
this government does happen, the
next four years would really see the
centre-left getting back its
identity and the centre-right
planning the post-Merkel era. It
would be and era of jostling and a
lot more argumentative than we have
seen in the past.
It's a little over 20 years
since the Royal Yacht,
Britannia, was decommissioned.
Designed to be a symbol
of national pride and flagship
for the Royal Family,
it was the 83rd Royal Yacht,
but was taken out of service
on grounds of cost and is now
a visitor attraction in Edinburgh.
But one group of Conservative MPs
wants to build a new Britannia,
and they want to set up
a national lottery to pay for it.
Here's the MP Craig Mackinley
with his soapbox.
I name this ship Tanya. --
As Britain leaves the European
Union, Britain will now need to
project itself on the world stage to
show it is back in business and for
that reason I believe now is the
time to commission a new Royal yacht
Britannia. Another at Unity to
showcase Britain and show of the
best of our history and shipbuilding
skills into the future. The Royal
yacht Britannia was decommissioned
in 1997. This was a spiteful mistake
by the Labour government. During 40
years of service she conducted 968
official visit and clocked up over 1
million Miles Agassi. In her last
deployment to the Far East,
commercial trade deals of almost £3
billion were signed on board. A new
Royal yacht would project Britain's
unique soft power and influence
around the globe. She would be at
the disposal of the government and
the Royal family to host
international events. To be
achievable we need to find the money
to build her and that is an
estimated £120 million. I am mindful
of the pressure on public finances
and I don't think taxpayers should
foot the bill. I'm proposing a new
national lottery to pay the costs.
The Royal yacht is now a familiar
sight to millions of Australian
We will also need to
investigate comp entry sources of
funding from business leaders who
are supportive of the project.
Leading naval architects are willing
to volunteer their services for
free, similarly compote
manufacturers have told the team
they would like to be part of the
project in the new Royal yacht for
free. Britain remains the third
largest maritime power in the world
and we have unique connection and
history with the sea. The country
deserves a new floating Royal Palace
to project the best of British
business and show our humanitarian
work across the globe.
And Craig McKinley joins us now.
You say part of the money that it
would cost to the yacht would be
funded by national lottery, how
would that work?
I understand people
would be reluctant the public
finances to be used for this but
£120 million represents 1.5 hours of
national government expenditure but
I understand the sensitivities of it
so I think people could play a part
in this by there being a new
stand-alone national lottery. Also
with the Project board I want to put
together, be tapping up the best of
British businesses to have their
products in the yacht and showcase
So, sponsorship deals?
How much do you think you'd be able
to generate from that?
yet but there are straws in the wind
that potentially the engines could
be provided for free by certain UK
businesses. Naval architects have
been keen to do the spec for free. I
want to pull together a number of
strands to get this project on site.
I fully understand government
departments have been reluctant to
the spa because of the strain on
public finances and I understand
thing, as you say, but a financial
priority but is it a priority at
all? When you think and look at the
debate and discussions around
Brexit. Is this really the time to
be talking about commissioning a new
-- new Royal Yacht Squadron
it is exactly the time. We have
heard it again and again, we will be
out of the customs union and the
single market, Britain will be free
on the world stage to actually
showcase itself and get new trade
deals so the very small and narrow
cost of this will be paid back in
literally a heartbeat.
It has been a
persuasive argument to have a sort
of open Britain for business,
global, outward facing. Would this
help that sort of campaign on a
that is what our embassies which the
government has been closing were
supposed to be doing. I wonder, if
you said to the public, we will have
a new national. Rick, you choose
what you want it to go towards.
Would they say a Royal Yacht
Squadron I'm not sure they would and
I'd also like to know can the
government supply the Navy personnel
and ships and boats that accompany a
Royal you're at when it goes
anywhere? One of the reasons it was
decommissioned in the first place,
and I haven't heard the Royal Family
complained their work has been
hampered by not having a Royal
you're, is because of the ongoing
cost. It was over 270 Navy personnel
with the running of the Royal yacht
so if you want to ask the public is
this what your priority is, go ahead
but I'm not sure it would be a Royal
The PM was in China last week
on a Voyager aircraft and we
achieved £9 billion worth of trade
deals. The last outing of the Royal
yacht before it was decommissioned,
£3 billion worth of trade deal
signed on one trip.
We got more
without the Royal yacht.
Yes, but I
think there is more, this projection
Britain is a maritime nation, it is
a big shipbuilding nation. I
understand the ongoing annual
revenue cost of running this.
the Navy personnel.
Indeed, but it
could be a humanitarian offering, a
training ship. It would be a
different asset than it was in the
past but it would be a key
diplomatic tool to project Britain.
I think the post-Brexit world is
exactly the time for one.
While we've been on air, the Commons
leader Andrea Letson has been giving
a statement to MPs on the new rules
around sexual harassment and
bullying at Westminster, let's have
We have proposed a set of policies
that will fundamentally change the
working culture in Parliament. Mr
Speaker, I'd like to turn now to
these proposals. They are as
follows. Firstly, Parliament will
agree a shared behaviour code. This
will apply to everyone on the
estate, or in gauged in
Parliamentary business, regardless
of location, and will underpin the
new policy. It will be consulted on
and will make clear the behaviour
expectations of everyone in the
Parliamentary community. The new
complaints and grievance procedure
will be independent from political
parties. Thirdly, it was
acknowledged sexual harassment and
sexual violence are different from
other forms of inappropriate
Joining me now is the
political reporter Lucy Fisher. Do
you welcome the announcement and the
recommendations from Andrea Letson?
Yes, I do and many people across
Westminster will be glad it has been
professionalised. Really, there
should be this in place anyway.
about the issue of anonymity, that
if a complaint is made against an
MP, for example, the MP will remain
anonymous until such time it is
resolved or if it is a serious
In principle, I think it
is a good idea, allowing people the
chance to try to prove their
innocence and fight their corner
until any finding is made. The
Brault he is going to be more
difficult to police, if the accuser
wants to speak to the press or speak
out, I don't see how you're going to
be able to stop people but by laying
it down in the rules that they want
to keep things under wraps, that
might encourage people to kind of
keep their counsel until the finding
is made. MPs will be happy with that
because there has been some concern
in Westminster this new procedure
could be used to make fixations
claims against MPs by disgruntled
employees or rivals.
I'm going to
get a comment from Angela.
the key reasons for it is an MP
might only have one member of staff
in the Palace of Westminster so by
identifying PMP, you're close to
identifying the member of staff
making the complaint. You want to
ensure if you identify the
complainant, that makes them more
reluctant to come forward so there
has been a lot of discussion about
how best to do this but you don't
want to shame the complainant for
coming forward for fear they may be
Do you think enough is
being done here to settle this issue
or at least moved to a place where
it will be settled and people will
feel protected at work and they have
somebody January independent talk
about any complaints?
I think so and
I think we can see from the fact it
has taken three months of wrangling
since the scandal first it
Westminster in November for them to
come to this agreement, the
Conservatives, labour, cross-party,
the staff associations, trade
unions, everyone is broadly happy
with the new procedures. It is
independent, there will be a new
sexual violence adviser in
Parliament and I think it seems
quite robust, this new system.
Fisher, thank you.
The official language
used in Parliament is,
of course, English -
although you might also hear
a smattering of Norman French
in the House of Lords when bills
are given Royal Assent.
So yesterday was something
of a landmark, after Welsh
was spoken for the first time
during a Parliamentary debate.
Here's the Secretary of State
for Wales, Alun Cairns,
speaking at a meeting
of the Welsh Grand Committee.
And Alun Cairns joins
us now - croeso!
Is that correctly pronounced?
on. I've been most nervous about it
for the whole programme.
What is so
special about the Welsh language?
is part of one of the languages of
the United Kingdom, it is the pay
Parliament, demonstrating although
it is a ancient language, we have a
modern approach to reflect cultures
and traditions of the UK. The issue
came up last year, it was made to
the leader of the house. He sought
by advice and we agreed this would
be a good thing to do.
How did it
happen, how did it come about the
rule change meaning you can now
speak Welsh in the committee rooms
First of all, it is
in the Welsh grand committee which
is made out of MPs, all Welsh MPs,
plus additional guest, the junior
minister in the Wales office, a
fluent Welsh speaker that happens to
represent a Yorkshire constituency,
and there is simultaneous
translation so we will look to the
European Parliament or the Welsh
assembly and see simultaneous
translation works effectively and
this was our way of using the same
Would you like to see
I've spoken in Parliament more
I think yesterday was a
significant step, the first step, so
let's see the sort of use it had.
Many MPs used it, many MPs are
learning Welsh. If there is an
enthusiasm for it, it is a
conversation to have but let's see
how widely it is used because, of
course, there are consequences and
procedures in Parliament.
The translation services, is this
the sort of thing you'd like to have
the taxpayers spend money on?
Prime Minister said when she stood
on the doors of Downing Street when
she was first appointed Prime
Minister by the Queen the precious
union. If we are going to represent
every part of the union, we need to
represent the languages of the
United Kingdom and this is a
positive step in order to
demonstrate the relevance of the UK
Parliament in every corner of the
Can everyone on the grand
Welsh committee speak Welsh?
dead than I thought which is
interesting because there are lots
of MPs who might be a pitch I about
it but yesterday they had a bit of
confidence and they started using
it. It underlines Welsh is a
language of the UK.
Do you welcome
It is welcomed by the Welsh
MPs and it is a matter for the Welsh
MPs but there's also always been the
proposal and you're allowed to give
evidence in another language or
British sign language in the
committee if it is easier for you to
get your message across. People are
called to give evidence to a
committee and you want to do them to
do so in a way they can make
themselves understood best so there
is that facility. A degree for
British sign language, we are very
It sometimes races and
issue for hand signals.
a Welsh MP, was called to order by
the Speaker because the speaker
thought he was speaking Welsh
language but he was actually
speaking old English.
No one could
demonstrates that have been protest
by many MPs to see this change. And
we're happy to make the change.
other languages that should be
Let's look at each case
its merits. Welsh I think is an
official language of the UK or one
of the languages of the UK and on
that basis we reflect that.
right, thank you for coming in. Say
something else to us in Welsh.
SPEAKS WELSH. Lovely, I'll translate
Time now to find out
the answer to our quiz.
The question was
which TV show does Theresa May
want to appear in?
Strictly Come Dancing,
Great British Bake Off,
Blue Peter or Songs of Praise
So Angela what's the correct answer?
Let's have a look...
I've been worrying about this. If it
was me, I'd go for Striclty, and I
hope she has, but I suspect not.
You're right! Let's have a look.
would rather be on Bake Off or
What a choice. Very
difficult in different ways. I enjoy
watching Strictly. I'm not sure I'd
do very well at either. Strictly has
some nice costumes.
So, do you think
No. This might be an
impediment to being on Strictly.
I think it is a requirement for
politicians to be on Strictly but
you can't dance.
But we can't all be
And he really did prove
you can do well even if you can't
dance. Are you surprised she went
I think it's great.
Would you like to go on the
programme yourself? No, I'd go for
Coronation Street but then Strictly.
But you have thought about it? Just
tell viewers, Nicky Lilley talking
Theresa May on CBBC said catch up
with that if you can.
That's all for today.
Thanks to our guests.
We will be back tomorrow. Goodbye.