05/10/2013 Dateline London

sex offence —— Chal sex offences last year resulted in prosecution.

system fundamentally broken? Israel warns that an Iranian bomb could

make that he ran regime immortal like North Korea. And the Daily

make that he ran regime immortal claims the father of the Labour

to a storm of protest. My gave —— my guests today are Dame Ann Leslie of

the Daily Mail, Michael Goldfarb of guests today are Dame Ann Leslie of

Palestinian writer and broadcaster. Very few animals willingly jump

Palestinian writer and broadcaster. a cliff as lemmings are famously

reputed to do. But this week the United States government appear

reputed to do. But this week the do so dashed gridlock in Washington

shutting down much of the functions of the federal government. How can

America be strong abroad when it is not just week up paralysed at home?

I do not have to explain this to streams coming together that go

I do not have to explain this to decades, this is about a Republican

presidency of Democratic presidents. This. This is about unravelling

presidency of Democratic presidents. president's signature issue, the

Obamacare. This is a last ditch president's signature issue, the

which they can fight to ruin that. This is about when all political

systems are flawed. When the wrong levellers, you have state seats

systems are flawed. When the wrong insure a Republican majority had ——

they have decided to take their heels in. You have this mess and the

rest of the world, which is just calling out —— crawling out of these

economic problems, was watching America which was just beginning to

founding fathers actually intended. take over again. This is what the

They created a constitution which would not allow an enormous amount

they devised a system where people revolted against a corrupt and

they devised a system where people will be constantly quarrelling.

America any clue. —— any good. There America any clue. —— any good. There

The point about that was that people took some arguments to now. What

happened was people walk up to the fact that the government, for all

its flaws, does some things. I think people outside of America need to

understand the way the congressional districts have been drawn and be

drawn over the last decade ensures at the moment a Republican majority.

If you pay no price at the ballot box, where the benefit? What are you

make of this? I'll was hold the box, where the benefit? What are you

that the country could be better run without governments, not the United

States because of the system. It seems to me this is an opportunity

by the Republicans to try and derail the so—called Obama —— Obamacare at

all costs. They also smell some especially over the way Obama is

handling international affairs. They did it to Clinton in the 19 80s

handling international affairs. They it blew up in their face. Most of

American public opinion is hostile superpower on earth is eroding.

American public opinion is hostile we can see the cracks. The United

States is polarised and paralysed, seriously. I believe it is a matter

power from Obama. They do not want of revenge. The very right wing

steal his biggest achievement which to see him succeed. They want to

steal his biggest achievement which of the blue, he is African bicolour,

by roots, so they don't want him to problem after problem since he was

elected. The Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu does not seem to

be charmed by the beanie and charm offensive. He told the BBC this

be charmed by the beanie and charm that an Iranian bomb would make

be charmed by the beanie and charm he called the brutal regime in

Teheran immortal like North Korea. Is he right? And is a weakened

America falling into the delusion that it is dealing with so—called

rainy and moderates? He senses a new era of positive relations between

America and Iran is about to start. He thought this is based completely

on illusion. It is interesting to point out that even some other

commentators and other politicians welcomed the spirit of his speech in

which he said, don't fall for this charm offensive conducted by Hassan

Rouhani. It was a disaster for Iran, but nothing has changed specifically

in Iran itself. He would not send Hassan Rouhani to New York to smile

not buy it so much. I wish I could to everybody if the functions would

not buy it so much. I wish I could tell him, to try and charm as many

people as possible because this tell him, to try and charm as many

light back from everybody. Benjamin fundamental aims. Hassan Rohani

by everybody's so Benjamin Netanyahu previous president. I believe he

by everybody's so Benjamin Netanyahu has nothing to say. It's United

States suddenly decided to talk has nothing to say. It's United

use diplomacy with the uranium President, why not? Why do the

Israeli always drum —— bang the point of this interview, given in

English, was to the Americans? The Iranians are not talking to Iranian,

they are talking to the Americans. I incredibly sceptical about any

Iranian reformer. The fact about... Why? Give them a chance. Why don't

reformers are not given a chance to be elected. As you know... He was

elected but in the Dominic Chapman —— democratic election. It was not a

think is that the West is always so sweet and naive, they always think,

this man smiles. Therefore he thinks like I do. Now he doesn't. He is a

said that before. One of the biggest conservative. He is a cleverer one

journalist posted some interesting problem that Iran faces is they

journalist posted some interesting stuff in the last 48 hours. I'm

going to step back over to Israel. I think that with Benjamin Netanyahu

we need to consider his own domestic considered very conservative. To the

right of Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel is where the power is at

right of Benjamin Netanyahu in moment. Beyond that, Iran can be

overestimated in terms of its real power. We forget about Syria. Right

now Iran is tied down defending power. We forget about Syria. Right

Assad regime and what is at best a stand—off. Its proximal eyes ——

proxies are essentially what is propping up that regime. If the

Iranians revolutionary guards were not fighting, Assad would have been

gone. Now you have Russia joining situation damped down. Where does

Iran stand? Beyond that Russia and the US will ultimately be the ones

to drag around to some kind of nuclear agreement. It is a very

complicated picture and I think nuclear agreement. It is a very

abilities to deceive the West. Iran Do you think it is worth a shot

abilities to deceive the West. Iran has no... Israel is very interested

in its own existential strengths. has no... Israel is very interested

in its own existential strengths. The differences is that Iran is

in its own existential strengths. theocracy and it has a justification

approved of lying. You cannot say that. They are normal people, they

are human beings, they are looking at the interest of the country. It

is not racism. Those people are scared. Only because they do not

like what is happening in Iran. Iran, you know how complicated

country and it has a minority that is not modern. Those dynamics have

to play out in an Iranian context. It is wrong to generalise about

to play out in an Iranian context. regime because they have to write

their own... This is racism if you say that these countries are not

allowed to have their own nuclear programmes. I want to move on to an

was supposed to be the Conservative political news in Britain this week

was supposed to be the Conservative party conference whether Prime

Minister David Cameron articulating philosophy. But it was overshadowed

As the Daily Mail been exposed as philosophy. But it was overshadowed

As the Daily Mail been exposed as argued? Come on then. The point

As the Daily Mail been exposed as the story is that it was wrong. No,

not all of it was wrong. It was the story is that it was wrong. No,

comment. Yes, it should have done. The point was that there were two or

three things that I as a loyal ex—employee of the Daily Mail would

say, a bit rich, that. But the hatred that people have for the

Daily Mail is because they fear hatred that people have for the

power. Why has it got power? Because it appeals to millions of people in

this country who volunteer to pay for it. So, really... It is not

is the sort of flagship critical question Time, it has top people at

the party conference and it had question Time, it has top people at

very clever young man called Mehdi journalist, writer. He was very

clever, he went to private school... This is not about him. No, but he is

is not a dead Jewish refugee who speaking for so many people in the

is not a dead Jewish refugee who hate Britain more from Belgian who

employed by them, Muslims smearing, hate Britain more from Belgian who

employed by them, Muslims smearing, gay baiting Daily Mail. But he is a

stupid young man because he did gay baiting Daily Mail. But he is a

Mail to give him a job only three realise that he begged the Daily

Mail to give him a job only three years ago, he had written, "I am

paper's passion, rigour, boldness" . years ago, he had written, "I am

paper's passion, rigour, boldness" . Full. I want to bring in Seoul. It

is about the hip, —— the hypocrisy of the left. The Daily Mail has

tried to run back campaigns like that story on maybe Hasan. The real

mistake was not making it clear that story on maybe Hasan. The real

it was comment. If you read the article, it is a reported article.

He went trawling through the press, the Daily Mail have the best way to

deal with this and you have been in papers a long time, and up, caught

me, I am sorry. They have not been got. In my opinion, this was sheer

madness and the timing was stupid because they wanted to support the

overshadowed Cameron's speech. Everything undermined the position

of the Conservative Party and did not enhance the statue of David

Miliband and his brother. —— it not enhance the statue of David

in hands. No body can understand the Daily Mail and its attitude towards

refugees and the left—wing can't understand the past of the Daily

Mail because the point of the Daily Mail during the Second World War,

supporter, one of his best friends. Supported the black shirts and

mostly in the east end of London. He was a nutter, OK! He supported

anti—Semitic. But the paper is not anti—Semitic. But the paper is

pro—Israel 100%. I am not sure if anti—Semitic. Among the biggest

pro—Israel 100%. I am not sure if you're disagreeing or agreeing with.

arguments of the left. What did you're disagreeing or agreeing with.

make of the article in saying that Ralph Miliband was a person who

hated Britain? That was a silly headline. I am against this smear

campaign to curb the freedom of expression in this country. We are

interrupt, because the context of understands this country is that the

Leveson enquiry which will produce some kind of changes to the way

Leveson enquiry which will produce the press is regulated, whether

Leveson enquiry which will produce is officially or not, there is an

important meeting in the Privy Council this week which might decide

newspaper editors wrangling with the Daily Mail because they have stirred

up a lot of anti—press feeling. The They should apologise for this. No.

This is a comment on the articles. Again wrong to leak a private letter

from maybe Hasan to the editor of the Daily Mail. This is a moronic

tell your editor to resign because the Daily Mail. This is a moronic

he did great damage to the paper. Actually, I'm not sure it has. It is

to see. All—weather at Villa band have done, I don't know. We'll have

has damaged himself —— or whether Ed has damaged himself —— or whether Ed

Daily Mail. It was childish. First going on about being bullied by

of all, we have to say this about the Daily Mail... We don't. The

time, on the top deck of a bus and I the Daily Mail... We don't. The

time, on the top deck of a bus and I looked down at queues of people

queueing for buses, and old dears and I am thinking the heads are

queueing for buses, and old dears of this hate. It does not come out

of nowhere. But people can read of this hate. It does not come out

they like. That is not the point I was trying to make, I respect you as

a journalist, people picking off the Daily Mail they do not think of

a journalist, people picking off the dispatches from places where you

were under fire, they are thinking about the daily load of bilge and

hatred for anyone who does not fit their specific view of England.

hatred for anyone who does not fit years, people still want to read it

—— not the concept of being British, but being English. Eleanor can

founded inextricable that millions of people read this. —— I cannot

believe you find it inexplicable but millions. If you deny these people

the right to read this, as a lot of the left would like to do. He will

end up it answers to a prejudice saying... Am I allowed to finish?

Nobody said any word about the Palestinians, against the Daily

Nobody said any word about the when it is 100% against Palestine.

Once they a John Ed Miliband and his father, suddenly anti—Semitic. And

they became hated completely. —— when they talk about Ed Miliband.

Every newspaper has its right to express its point of view, whether

just off this a bit, given the express its point of view, whether

just off this a bit, given the potentially something that limits

press freedom more never mind this potentially something that limits

press freedom more never mind this article. It will be in people's

minds when the Privy Council decides politicians. They are dead keen

minds when the Privy Council decides limiting the power of the free press

which has existed here for 300 years. Not least because it is the

British press, not least us and years. Not least because it is the

other members of the press who have chicanery. They are hated and they

should go on trial. Do you go along with that argument? Whatever you

think about the specifics of the free press, it has the right to

think about the specifics of the mistakes and people can criticise

it. Do you think this could cause something that people will regret?

It will be on people's minds all the time. Whether to regulate the press

and the Daily Mail has done a great journalistic freedom by being so

stupid. I tend to think that in journalistic freedom by being so

million people who buy the Daily Mail, people here still have a press

that has tremendous sway. At the last hurdle, the politicians will

think. You are a naive baby! I have back down a bit. And I really do

think. You are a naive baby! I have enormous respect for the daily jolt

that these people get all the time and also... What a great name for a

newspaper, the daily jolt! The Daily newspaper, the daily jolt! The Daily

Mail cannot keep going on mixing news and views, this is not good

journalism. Ed Miliband is giving huge ammunition. We do not want

journalism. Ed Miliband is giving against the freedom of expression.

On that road agreement between the four of you, we will leave it and