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I will be back with a full bulletin at the top of the hour. Time for | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
Dateline London. Hello and welcome to Dateline | :00:00. | :00:26. | |
London. A peace agreement in Ukraine ` do we really believe it? And the | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
worst is over for the British economy ` how far do we believe | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
that, too? My guests are: Irena Taranyuk of BBC Global News. Mina al | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
Oraibi of Asharq al Awsat. Dr Vincent Magombe of Africa Inform | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
International. And Dmitry Linnik of Voice of Russia. | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
A good day's work was how US Secretary of State John Kerry | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
described the peace deal agreed by Ukraine, Russia, the EU and the | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
United States. It calls for ` among other things ` an end to violence, | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
racism and anti`semitism, an end to the occupation of buildings and | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
property. An amnesty, and more autonomy for Ukraine's diverse | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
regions. What do we think of the practicalities of the deal ` and | :01:07. | :01:09. | |
also of the fact that all sides at least appear to want a peaceful | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
resolution if that is possible? There was a big sigh of relief when | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
this happened because people had been talking down? For the fostering | :01:19. | :01:26. | |
of others seemed to be common down between Russia and the West in | :01:27. | :01:34. | |
regards with what is happening. Russia had dropped top of | :01:35. | :01:41. | |
federalisation. They promised to put pressure on Ukrainian separatists. | :01:42. | :01:49. | |
The very fact that the deal was achieved was the huge positive | :01:50. | :01:58. | |
development. We saw the following day that there were demands by the | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
separatists that the Ukrainian government abandoned Parliament. | :02:02. | :02:13. | |
Totally absorbed. `` absurd. How do you think it is seen from Moscow? It | :02:14. | :02:22. | |
is better than nothing. Things have not gotten was. `` worse. But the | :02:23. | :02:35. | |
readings are different. There is not a lot they can do to relieve | :02:36. | :02:43. | |
pressure from those radical groups. They cannot possibly do anything | :02:44. | :02:51. | |
with them. These groups would fall under the demand to remove the legal | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
or unofficial formations from public places. Do you think is accepted in | :02:57. | :03:10. | |
Russia... The majority of people, whichever language they choose to | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
speak, people watch you claim to stay as a unified state? `` Ukraine. | :03:16. | :03:24. | |
I do not think it is under discussion. In the East, people who | :03:25. | :03:33. | |
have risen up against the government do want to be part of Russia. Their | :03:34. | :03:46. | |
is the realisation of that. As always, a political agreement is | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
good. But that is in the details. It is hard to know who is putting | :03:52. | :04:02. | |
pressure on the separatists. Do these people have there own concerns | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
with the government and few that they want more autonomy? We saw all | :04:07. | :04:17. | |
being said about anti`Semitism. It is very hard for unknown side of two | :04:18. | :04:27. | |
normal `` to know who can stop these events. I heard Michael is the | :04:28. | :04:34. | |
talking yesterday, and I was trying to think which anti`Semites do you | :04:35. | :04:43. | |
have in mind? It is a very distorted picture. It is distorted by the | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
media. I think the government is winning the propaganda war. They are | :04:50. | :04:56. | |
trying to portray people as fascists and anti`Semites. There was a little | :04:57. | :05:06. | |
sent out for Jewish residents... `` a letter. The international media | :05:07. | :05:17. | |
covered that. It was a very well produced fake. Jewish people | :05:18. | :05:26. | |
received that and they were terrified. I must do clear that even | :05:27. | :05:37. | |
although I am supposed to be an African expert, I know this earlier | :05:38. | :05:44. | |
well. `` this area. I lived in Russia. I visited Kiev. I am sure my | :05:45. | :05:56. | |
colleagues will agree with some of the things I say. I personally think | :05:57. | :06:03. | |
that when you have all these international deals will the people | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
who are most affected are not the one speaking, you are talking about | :06:09. | :06:17. | |
strategic interest... It is not really the people of Ukraine who are | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
speaking. That is where the problem will come. These are strategic | :06:24. | :06:35. | |
interest. Do you think this deal will bring sufficient calm? The | :06:36. | :06:44. | |
election takes place on meagre 25? `` May 25? What we are stealing from | :06:45. | :06:52. | |
the Americans is not what they are doing the. But of very specific | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
interest. People should speak up much more. What seems to happen with | :06:59. | :07:06. | |
these types of things, I know this with African experience, is that all | :07:07. | :07:16. | |
of the superpowers are thinking that they have the answers to our | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
problems. But they don't. They do not ask us. That is what is | :07:23. | :07:31. | |
happening and Ukraine. `` in Ukraine. There were some rumours and | :07:32. | :07:48. | |
this that visited the only coverage... Crimea has gone. But | :07:49. | :07:59. | |
with than the rest of the country, in the East, the need to have a very | :08:00. | :08:06. | |
serious, strong system. Where power is devolved. That is a good point. | :08:07. | :08:19. | |
There are two parts of Ukraine talking to each other. Realistic? I | :08:20. | :08:27. | |
don't think so. The way things played out, in November the European | :08:28. | :08:36. | |
Union got incensed over the refusal of the agreement. They said you | :08:37. | :08:45. | |
repeat this. `` you will pay for this. After that, everybody pretty | :08:46. | :08:55. | |
much improvise. We are happy and they did with the government being | :08:56. | :09:06. | |
flown over... `` thrown over... There is a view of which you read | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
and the place which is that President Putin is pushing as hard | :09:12. | :09:21. | |
as possible. Is that the reading? Of some people. Back in November, the | :09:22. | :09:33. | |
European Union, Ukraine and Russia were talking. I can't agree with | :09:34. | :09:41. | |
that. The European Union had reason to be incensed. It is still an | :09:42. | :09:51. | |
agreement. What you are seeing is denying the power of the people who | :09:52. | :09:54. | |
came to protest against the government. I am talking about the | :09:55. | :10:06. | |
position of the European Union. People wanted to return home, the | :10:07. | :10:12. | |
prospect of European Union integration. People came out in | :10:13. | :10:20. | |
force to protest against the decision of Ukraine to Tom away from | :10:21. | :10:27. | |
you. `` turn away from Europe. It grew. The European Union was not | :10:28. | :10:47. | |
behind the protest. While I understand things, the problem I | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
have with the Russian approach has been issues of democracy. We are | :10:53. | :11:10. | |
forgetting how people view Ukraine. Yanukovitch was a nasty dictator. If | :11:11. | :11:26. | |
you told me today wobble there are strategic interests in Uganda, the | :11:27. | :11:39. | |
issue is democracy. Crimea as an past. You clean still hopes to get | :11:40. | :11:50. | |
it back. `` Ukraine. The situation is developing. Some observers think | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
that by DS collating the unrest in the country, Russia has changed at | :11:55. | :12:05. | |
school. `` changed its goal. The fact that people are taking Crimea | :12:06. | :12:13. | |
as given, the Russian government is strong enough now to face up to the | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
united states. I think the impact that this is going to have, the | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
International politics in terms of what we can do, nobody wants to go | :12:23. | :12:34. | |
into another war. You talk about democracy... What is going to | :12:35. | :12:46. | |
happen... The example of Crimea, what will happen at affect many | :12:47. | :12:54. | |
other people in Russia, people will rise up. You don't want to be part | :12:55. | :13:02. | |
of Russia because we are not democratic. We will cross that | :13:03. | :13:10. | |
bridge. Britain's economy is growing ` and | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
wages appear to be keeping up with inflation for the first time in | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
years. Is the worst really over? Is the Labour Party right to continue | :13:18. | :13:20. | |
to attack the government on a "cost of living crisis?" And what does it | :13:21. | :13:23. | |
mean for British politics? As the was over? `` Is the worst over? | :13:24. | :13:32. | |
Whenever the Prime Minister speaks, it is only has tape of what is. I | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
come from relief from ethnic minorities. You do not seem to see | :13:39. | :13:46. | |
the change that he talks about. Many people in the city are doing well. | :13:47. | :13:55. | |
Many jobs for them. But if you go to places in south east London like | :13:56. | :14:04. | |
that, I don't think you see. The bottom of peeing girls is becoming | :14:05. | :14:12. | |
much more. `` The burden of paying bills. I was reading an article last | :14:13. | :14:19. | |
night talking about the American middle class. It said that usually | :14:20. | :14:27. | |
you expect and recessions there is a narrowing of the rich and. `` rich | :14:28. | :14:35. | |
and poor. The middle classes starting up. It is not just the look | :14:36. | :14:43. | |
but also something else. As the Labour Party on to something when | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
you talk about the cost of living increases? As the economy picking | :14:47. | :14:53. | |
up? The greatest indicator is housing. If you think about the | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
middle classes of those who are depending on the salaries, it is | :14:58. | :15:03. | |
very difficult. Especially if you are a first time buyer. If you are | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
living in a small apartment that you had bought as a married couple, it | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
is very hard to live not only in London but the sentinels of city. `` | :15:14. | :15:22. | |
centres. The laws is higher than forecast. How does that translate to | :15:23. | :15:25. | |
people in their everyday lives? People are concerned about the | :15:26. | :15:32. | |
rising of interest rates. That hurts the housing rate. It is the middle | :15:33. | :15:42. | |
class and middle income families that are being greatly hot by that. | :15:43. | :15:53. | |
`` hurt. How do you see it? The government can say that is good news | :15:54. | :16:03. | |
for people and that is important? But logically, yes, in view of the | :16:04. | :16:12. | |
election next year. It depends on which index you look at. The figures | :16:13. | :16:18. | |
appear to be fairly different. I understand Osborne trying to | :16:19. | :16:30. | |
manipulate that particular index. But things are different, house | :16:31. | :16:33. | |
prices in London have risen considerably. It is creating a | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
bubble, that is the perception. As the bubble does not burst until | :16:40. | :16:42. | |
after the election, that could be a good thing. We not seeing that from | :16:43. | :16:55. | |
polling figures. Revolution does not happen easily in countries like | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
Britain, are from the riots of London, some things can happen, but | :17:02. | :17:08. | |
I would revise my opinion to say no revolution because one thing with | :17:09. | :17:10. | |
these countries and I have said on this programme before, there is the | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
capacity to keep systems going, for example, people keep adding water | :17:16. | :17:23. | |
and electricity and so on. However, if you go to the South of London, | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
you will think people are struggling to pay their rent. Some people have | :17:28. | :17:37. | |
argued against this, but we have seen food banks would you can get | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
free food if you are particularly hard up, they say they are doing | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
record business. Yes, certain outlets like that are very busy. As | :17:46. | :17:52. | |
an African, I could say perhaps we wanted to have a revolution. But in | :17:53. | :17:59. | |
certain countries it is more necessary than others. You have | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
actually got to different analyses, both of which are broadly right, one | :18:06. | :18:11. | |
is that things are getting better for the economy as a whole and the | :18:12. | :18:18. | |
second one is that the Labour Party is suggesting that we are not any | :18:19. | :18:21. | |
better off than four years ago. You can argue both sides. Yes, it is | :18:22. | :18:29. | |
about perception. It depends upon which index you base your assessment | :18:30. | :18:35. | |
on. You may tell your voters that their real wages have grown but if | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
they do not feel it on a daily basis, as they think wages are | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
having to catch up with the cost of living, something the Labour Party | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
went on about during the new representation of the The Budget, it | :18:50. | :18:56. | |
is difficult to see who is going to wind the next election. On the other | :18:57. | :19:03. | |
hand, any useful tool that props up the government will be used. Another | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
thing that has been talked about, when people were asked who they | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
trust to handle the economy, the Conservatives were seen to be above | :19:15. | :19:22. | |
the Labour Party. That was because the financial | :19:23. | :19:33. | |
crisis was blind `` that was because the Labour Party was blamed for the | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
financial crisis. The Tories are trying to show that they can be | :19:37. | :19:49. | |
tough when it is required. There is no real difference in terms | :19:50. | :19:52. | |
of approaches from the Labour Party and the Conservative Party, that is | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
what I think. How much better while the Labour Party do than the | :19:59. | :20:04. | |
Conservatives and vice versa? Many people believe politicians while | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
some play take the power. I know from talking to people in both | :20:09. | :20:11. | |
parties, nothing annoys politicians more than telling them they are | :20:12. | :20:19. | |
exactly the same as each other. There is always that swing from left | :20:20. | :20:22. | |
politics in terms of labour and the likes of Neil Kinnock and Tony Blair | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
who was just as right wing but he was also a capital was and enter the | :20:30. | :20:37. | |
free market as much as anyone else. I do not think that the Labour | :20:38. | :20:44. | |
leadership today looks to the left. What Gavin was saying was that the | :20:45. | :20:51. | |
polls show that in terms of numbers, more people trust the | :20:52. | :20:59. | |
Conservatives than Labour, that is what he said. David Cameron now. | :21:00. | :21:10. | |
The Prime Minister David Cameron, who ` like many British politicians | :21:11. | :21:13. | |
has generally been wary of talking too much about God ` celebrated | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
Easter by speaking about his faith and about celebrating the Christian | :21:17. | :21:19. | |
roots of this country. What do we make of politicians talking about | :21:20. | :21:22. | |
faith and religion? He has been the but of some jokes | :21:23. | :21:31. | |
and some people have said that it is an interesting topic. For me, I | :21:32. | :21:39. | |
think it is nothing but trouble. When you look to the UK, there is a | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
sense that those who do have strong religious beliefs or actually like | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
to be practising, and they feel it is something to shy away from and | :21:51. | :21:57. | |
you cannot see it. The problem is that did you say this is a Christian | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
country, however it is open to everyone else, or do you say that we | :22:03. | :22:05. | |
welcome people with or without faith and there is a bandwidth for | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
everyone and that is essentially get in the UK. Some would say it is a | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
post`Christian country and some people have Christian roots but do | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
not go to chuck, even at Easter. But if they feel that their culture is | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
being targeted, that is when the bullet and true religion. Again, | :22:26. | :22:31. | |
this is electoral posturing, this is trying to go more right to the | :22:32. | :22:34. | |
Conservative supporters and, of course, UKIP is the main target year | :22:35. | :22:41. | |
rather than what I believe Cameron's actual faith is. Do | :22:42. | :22:48. | |
Russian politicians do God? They do sometimes. The perception in the UK | :22:49. | :23:03. | |
from what I have seen... IPhone is not a religion, nor is Miley Cyrus, | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
so you have got to have that in our core and I think there is more | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
realisation that society regardless of whether a QR David Cameron or | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
Tony Blair or whoever, that something remains missing and that | :23:19. | :23:25. | |
there is something needed to cement this society to rear from its | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
roots. The Archbishop of Canterbury would, of course, be seeing that but | :23:31. | :23:40. | |
I think it is growing in weight or circles. President Putin and Russia | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
and the majority of Russian leaders will spend tonight in charge because | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
Easter service there takes all night and they will be making an | :23:52. | :23:54. | |
appearance and that refers to Ukrainian leaders also. Easter and | :23:55. | :24:03. | |
being seen to "do God" as a big thing in that area. It became an | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
official religion and to be seen and church and parading your beliefs | :24:10. | :24:16. | |
became politically involved for politicians in that area. That does | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
not stop some of them doing unchristian things however! I will | :24:22. | :24:31. | |
tell you by people from Uganda are very cynical about politicians who | :24:32. | :24:40. | |
preach religion and that is because for example, the President of Uganda | :24:41. | :24:43. | |
has sold religious people the exact opposite. I can speak about religion | :24:44. | :24:51. | |
and ask from support from religious leaders, but no bishop or religious | :24:52. | :24:57. | |
version should come out openly and criticise the government for | :24:58. | :25:00. | |
corruption and things like that, so I am very cynical these days about | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
that. Several bishops are now starting to break the code, however. | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
We now have different means possible. Some of us believe we | :25:11. | :25:19. | |
should use all means necessary such as war to liberate our country, | :25:20. | :25:24. | |
bishops say things are really bad, we accept that, but perhaps we must | :25:25. | :25:32. | |
get this and get there with a more peaceful resolution. That's it for | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
Dateline London for this week. You can also comment on the programme on | :25:38. | :25:40. | |
Twitter @gavinesler using the hashtag DatelineLondon. We are back | :25:41. | :25:43. | |
next week at the same time, Goodbye. Goodbye. | :25:44. | :26:11. | |
Always nice to start on a sunny note. We are going to have great | :26:12. | :26:22. | |
weather for the rest of the day. Enjoy the bluebells that are in | :26:23. | :26:30. | |
bloom in the woods. It is a very coolish please | :26:31. | :26:31. |