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I will be back with a full bulletin at the top of the hour. Time for

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Dateline London. Hello and welcome to Dateline

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London. A peace agreement in Ukraine ` do we really believe it? And the

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worst is over for the British economy ` how far do we believe

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that, too? My guests are: Irena Taranyuk of BBC Global News. Mina al

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Oraibi of Asharq al Awsat. Dr Vincent Magombe of Africa Inform

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International. And Dmitry Linnik of Voice of Russia.

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A good day's work was how US Secretary of State John Kerry

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described the peace deal agreed by Ukraine, Russia, the EU and the

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United States. It calls for ` among other things ` an end to violence,

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racism and anti`semitism, an end to the occupation of buildings and

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property. An amnesty, and more autonomy for Ukraine's diverse

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regions. What do we think of the practicalities of the deal ` and

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also of the fact that all sides at least appear to want a peaceful

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resolution if that is possible? There was a big sigh of relief when

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this happened because people had been talking down? For the fostering

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of others seemed to be common down between Russia and the West in

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regards with what is happening. Russia had dropped top of

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federalisation. They promised to put pressure on Ukrainian separatists.

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The very fact that the deal was achieved was the huge positive

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development. We saw the following day that there were demands by the

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separatists that the Ukrainian government abandoned Parliament.

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Totally absorbed. `` absurd. How do you think it is seen from Moscow? It

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is better than nothing. Things have not gotten was. `` worse. But the

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readings are different. There is not a lot they can do to relieve

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pressure from those radical groups. They cannot possibly do anything

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with them. These groups would fall under the demand to remove the legal

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or unofficial formations from public places. Do you think is accepted in

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Russia... The majority of people, whichever language they choose to

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speak, people watch you claim to stay as a unified state? `` Ukraine.

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I do not think it is under discussion. In the East, people who

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have risen up against the government do want to be part of Russia. Their

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is the realisation of that. As always, a political agreement is

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good. But that is in the details. It is hard to know who is putting

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pressure on the separatists. Do these people have there own concerns

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with the government and few that they want more autonomy? We saw all

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being said about anti`Semitism. It is very hard for unknown side of two

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normal `` to know who can stop these events. I heard Michael is the

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talking yesterday, and I was trying to think which anti`Semites do you

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have in mind? It is a very distorted picture. It is distorted by the

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media. I think the government is winning the propaganda war. They are

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trying to portray people as fascists and anti`Semites. There was a little

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sent out for Jewish residents... `` a letter. The international media

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covered that. It was a very well produced fake. Jewish people

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received that and they were terrified. I must do clear that even

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although I am supposed to be an African expert, I know this earlier

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well. `` this area. I lived in Russia. I visited Kiev. I am sure my

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colleagues will agree with some of the things I say. I personally think

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that when you have all these international deals will the people

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who are most affected are not the one speaking, you are talking about

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strategic interest... It is not really the people of Ukraine who are

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speaking. That is where the problem will come. These are strategic

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interest. Do you think this deal will bring sufficient calm? The

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election takes place on meagre 25? `` May 25? What we are stealing from

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the Americans is not what they are doing the. But of very specific

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interest. People should speak up much more. What seems to happen with

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these types of things, I know this with African experience, is that all

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of the superpowers are thinking that they have the answers to our

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problems. But they don't. They do not ask us. That is what is

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happening and Ukraine. `` in Ukraine. There were some rumours and

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this that visited the only coverage... Crimea has gone. But

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with than the rest of the country, in the East, the need to have a very

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serious, strong system. Where power is devolved. That is a good point.

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There are two parts of Ukraine talking to each other. Realistic? I

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don't think so. The way things played out, in November the European

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Union got incensed over the refusal of the agreement. They said you

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repeat this. `` you will pay for this. After that, everybody pretty

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much improvise. We are happy and they did with the government being

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flown over... `` thrown over... There is a view of which you read

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and the place which is that President Putin is pushing as hard

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as possible. Is that the reading? Of some people. Back in November, the

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European Union, Ukraine and Russia were talking. I can't agree with

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that. The European Union had reason to be incensed. It is still an

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agreement. What you are seeing is denying the power of the people who

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came to protest against the government. I am talking about the

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position of the European Union. People wanted to return home, the

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prospect of European Union integration. People came out in

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force to protest against the decision of Ukraine to Tom away from

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you. `` turn away from Europe. It grew. The European Union was not

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behind the protest. While I understand things, the problem I

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have with the Russian approach has been issues of democracy. We are

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forgetting how people view Ukraine. Yanukovitch was a nasty dictator. If

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you told me today wobble there are strategic interests in Uganda, the

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issue is democracy. Crimea as an past. You clean still hopes to get

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it back. `` Ukraine. The situation is developing. Some observers think

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that by DS collating the unrest in the country, Russia has changed at

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school. `` changed its goal. The fact that people are taking Crimea

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as given, the Russian government is strong enough now to face up to the

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united states. I think the impact that this is going to have, the

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International politics in terms of what we can do, nobody wants to go

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into another war. You talk about democracy... What is going to

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happen... The example of Crimea, what will happen at affect many

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other people in Russia, people will rise up. You don't want to be part

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of Russia because we are not democratic. We will cross that

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bridge. Britain's economy is growing ` and

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wages appear to be keeping up with inflation for the first time in

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years. Is the worst really over? Is the Labour Party right to continue

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to attack the government on a "cost of living crisis?" And what does it

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mean for British politics? As the was over? `` Is the worst over?

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Whenever the Prime Minister speaks, it is only has tape of what is. I

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come from relief from ethnic minorities. You do not seem to see

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the change that he talks about. Many people in the city are doing well.

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Many jobs for them. But if you go to places in south east London like

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that, I don't think you see. The bottom of peeing girls is becoming

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much more. `` The burden of paying bills. I was reading an article last

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night talking about the American middle class. It said that usually

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you expect and recessions there is a narrowing of the rich and. `` rich

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and poor. The middle classes starting up. It is not just the look

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but also something else. As the Labour Party on to something when

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you talk about the cost of living increases? As the economy picking

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up? The greatest indicator is housing. If you think about the

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middle classes of those who are depending on the salaries, it is

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very difficult. Especially if you are a first time buyer. If you are

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living in a small apartment that you had bought as a married couple, it

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is very hard to live not only in London but the sentinels of city. ``

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centres. The laws is higher than forecast. How does that translate to

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people in their everyday lives? People are concerned about the

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rising of interest rates. That hurts the housing rate. It is the middle

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class and middle income families that are being greatly hot by that.

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`` hurt. How do you see it? The government can say that is good news

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for people and that is important? But logically, yes, in view of the

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election next year. It depends on which index you look at. The figures

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appear to be fairly different. I understand Osborne trying to

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manipulate that particular index. But things are different, house

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prices in London have risen considerably. It is creating a

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bubble, that is the perception. As the bubble does not burst until

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after the election, that could be a good thing. We not seeing that from

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polling figures. Revolution does not happen easily in countries like

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Britain, are from the riots of London, some things can happen, but

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I would revise my opinion to say no revolution because one thing with

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these countries and I have said on this programme before, there is the

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capacity to keep systems going, for example, people keep adding water

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and electricity and so on. However, if you go to the South of London,

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you will think people are struggling to pay their rent. Some people have

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argued against this, but we have seen food banks would you can get

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free food if you are particularly hard up, they say they are doing

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record business. Yes, certain outlets like that are very busy. As

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an African, I could say perhaps we wanted to have a revolution. But in

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certain countries it is more necessary than others. You have

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actually got to different analyses, both of which are broadly right, one

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is that things are getting better for the economy as a whole and the

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second one is that the Labour Party is suggesting that we are not any

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better off than four years ago. You can argue both sides. Yes, it is

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about perception. It depends upon which index you base your assessment

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on. You may tell your voters that their real wages have grown but if

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they do not feel it on a daily basis, as they think wages are

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having to catch up with the cost of living, something the Labour Party

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went on about during the new representation of the The Budget, it

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is difficult to see who is going to wind the next election. On the other

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hand, any useful tool that props up the government will be used. Another

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thing that has been talked about, when people were asked who they

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trust to handle the economy, the Conservatives were seen to be above

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the Labour Party. That was because the financial

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crisis was blind `` that was because the Labour Party was blamed for the

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financial crisis. The Tories are trying to show that they can be

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tough when it is required. There is no real difference in terms

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of approaches from the Labour Party and the Conservative Party, that is

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what I think. How much better while the Labour Party do than the

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Conservatives and vice versa? Many people believe politicians while

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some play take the power. I know from talking to people in both

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parties, nothing annoys politicians more than telling them they are

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exactly the same as each other. There is always that swing from left

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politics in terms of labour and the likes of Neil Kinnock and Tony Blair

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who was just as right wing but he was also a capital was and enter the

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free market as much as anyone else. I do not think that the Labour

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leadership today looks to the left. What Gavin was saying was that the

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polls show that in terms of numbers, more people trust the

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Conservatives than Labour, that is what he said. David Cameron now.

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The Prime Minister David Cameron, who ` like many British politicians

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has generally been wary of talking too much about God ` celebrated

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Easter by speaking about his faith and about celebrating the Christian

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roots of this country. What do we make of politicians talking about

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faith and religion? He has been the but of some jokes

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and some people have said that it is an interesting topic. For me, I

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think it is nothing but trouble. When you look to the UK, there is a

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sense that those who do have strong religious beliefs or actually like

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to be practising, and they feel it is something to shy away from and

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you cannot see it. The problem is that did you say this is a Christian

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country, however it is open to everyone else, or do you say that we

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welcome people with or without faith and there is a bandwidth for

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everyone and that is essentially get in the UK. Some would say it is a

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post`Christian country and some people have Christian roots but do

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not go to chuck, even at Easter. But if they feel that their culture is

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being targeted, that is when the bullet and true religion. Again,

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this is electoral posturing, this is trying to go more right to the

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Conservative supporters and, of course, UKIP is the main target year

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rather than what I believe Cameron's actual faith is. Do

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Russian politicians do God? They do sometimes. The perception in the UK

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from what I have seen... IPhone is not a religion, nor is Miley Cyrus,

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so you have got to have that in our core and I think there is more

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realisation that society regardless of whether a QR David Cameron or

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Tony Blair or whoever, that something remains missing and that

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there is something needed to cement this society to rear from its

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roots. The Archbishop of Canterbury would, of course, be seeing that but

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I think it is growing in weight or circles. President Putin and Russia

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and the majority of Russian leaders will spend tonight in charge because

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Easter service there takes all night and they will be making an

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appearance and that refers to Ukrainian leaders also. Easter and

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being seen to "do God" as a big thing in that area. It became an

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official religion and to be seen and church and parading your beliefs

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became politically involved for politicians in that area. That does

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not stop some of them doing unchristian things however! I will

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tell you by people from Uganda are very cynical about politicians who

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preach religion and that is because for example, the President of Uganda

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has sold religious people the exact opposite. I can speak about religion

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and ask from support from religious leaders, but no bishop or religious

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version should come out openly and criticise the government for

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corruption and things like that, so I am very cynical these days about

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that. Several bishops are now starting to break the code, however.

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We now have different means possible. Some of us believe we

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should use all means necessary such as war to liberate our country,

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bishops say things are really bad, we accept that, but perhaps we must

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get this and get there with a more peaceful resolution. That's it for

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Dateline London for this week. You can also comment on the programme on

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next week at the same time, Goodbye. Goodbye.

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Always nice to start on a sunny note. We are going to have great

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weather for the rest of the day. Enjoy the bluebells that are in

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bloom in the woods. It is a very coolish please

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