16/01/2016 Dateline London

Hello, welcome to Dateline London. Terror attacks in Istanbul, Jakarta

and Burkina Faso. Denmark once refugees to hand over their money if

they want a new life. And the United States remains the world's

unchallenged superpower. I am joined by a Portuguese writer, Canadian

journalist, Egyptian commentator and a journalist from the Independent.

Another week, another terror atrocity, or two, or three, or four.

Do we just have to get used to all of this? What was once called

unacceptable level of violence. And is in that Islamic State and

Al-Qaeda will never win the caliphate but they will kill many

innocent people over the next few years? This is the story of our

time, and in many cases it is Muslim people who are being killed. This is

the new normal. What we need to do... Cameron did address this, we

need to really focus military efforts and police efforts because

armies and tanks are not the war of the 21st-century. We are facing

these make raw terror attacks -- micro terror attacks. An attack

far-away terrorises everyone. This is a huge problem and there is no

simple solution. Since Terry is, in a sense, an active theatre, we can

do this small thing but it terrifies everybody -- Cammack. This is the

new dark age of Islam. I speak as a Muslim. We have entered a terrifying

dark age, not just in terms of the violence, in terms of their

unthinkingness of our supplies each is. Once upon a time they had

intellectual capacities which seem to have gone. The best people have

left the countries and moved to the west. The dark ages in many ways. I

also want to highlight that it is very important for us to also talk

about undirected, awful drone attacks on people in Afghanistan or

Pakistan, the innocent people are killed, and we do not even count the

numbers, let alone names. This is chaos, we are living in a chaotic

age. That is an interesting point. I was talking to someone who was a

former governor from Pakistan, and he said to me that drone attacks may

take out one, two, three, ten people who are considered terrorists, but

the antagonised people in a difficult area that they destroy

more. At least give them the dignity of giving us numbers and saying, be

honest, we are fighting this war, sometimes innocent people are

getting hurt. Not even the address that? In my newspaper, we are lucky

to have three lines saying, 84 people died wherever. I met a woman

who was that a wedding party in a small place in Afghanistan and half

the wedding party was killed. She now heats the West, unreasonably, I

told her. But you can see that we need to be looking at this in a much

more intelligent way. Both people have said, fight smarter. It will

take a long time, this is a problem which is a long time in the making.

The most distressing aspect is the hundreds if not thousands of

Europeans who actually have left Britain, France, Belgium and so on

to go and join Isis, which is a cult of barbarism and violence. This is

not the international brigades of the Spanish civil war, this is

pretty much an international cult. This is very distressing. Propaganda

is the most potent tool that Daesh has in its hands. When they have the

strategy of targeting Jakarta, anywhere in the world, they are much

weaker in Syria, in Iraq, because there has been a response either

from Western bombardments but also the Peshmerga Kurds in Iraq. And

also the Iraqi army. They have been addressing and responding to the

insurgency of the Daesh. They are somehow becoming weaker in the areas

where they are really implanted. We have to do something, we have to

play against this propaganda game. One of the things I noticed, after

the attacks in Burkina Faso, some people who are believed to be

connected to Al-Qaeda issued a Twitter call to arms to young people

all over the world come and fight the war. There is a digital work

going on which is difficult to stop, which made to everybody rend this

table seem ludicrous, but to some people, as you rightly say, some

people find this attractive. In a linguistic manner only. Let me tell

you the story invalid points. You're in global war. Terrorism is not a

phenomena which is limited to any area, like everything else. The

digital condition of the world contributes to that. Nothing which

happens in Burkina Faso, Egypt, Jakarta, Istanbul, is disconnected.

It is all different names, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, Isis, or whatever. But

they are all connected. I feel really concerned that the Turks

played with a Frankenstein scenario, helping Isis... Because they hate

President Assad? You think that the devil will not turn against you. An

investigative journalism study conducted by the Guardian between 24

and 25 found that people from Europe and elsewhere arrived by the

bus-load, they showed their IDE, gave their names, and then they were

allowed to go. They did not think that the return against them. The

Kurds are different problem and it will remain a problem for Turkey and

everyone else. The problem as we see it, globalised lakes is, when you

see these people in their videos, you will see that they are styled

like the computer games, fighting computer games. Kind of like mad

Max. It is dystopian. The important thing to remember for many of us is

that they kill ten times more Muslim 's everyday than the kill anybody

else. The age of barbarism now is not Islam versus the West, or the

several lies the versus the uncivilised, it is between the

barbarisms of all backgrounds. The barbarians of all backgrounds. And

those of us who are trying to maintain decency, democracy,

dignity, equality, they hate me. Absolutely. I am the nightmare

woman. This, this? My God, they hate me. Much more than they hate any

Western women. They go for soft targets. What I'm concerned about,

since we talk about globalisation of terror, is the attitude of the

British government towards the Muslim Brotherhood. The report which

was published in brief replay, the Muslim Brotherhood provide the

intellectual umbrella for preparing the main fur radicalisation. Next

week is five years since the big demonstrations in Tahrir Square. He

thought it was a big watershed for your country. The only political

force of that that was left in Egypt was Muslim Brotherhood. They will

only ones who deceive the people, but within one year the people

discovered them and went for their hosting. -- ousting. They would have

been a massacre in Egypt. What has happened in Egypt now is testament

to what could have happened at the time. Terror groups like the Daesh

or political donations like the Muslim Brotherhood are fulfilling

the role of the state. That is why they are accept it. That is why the

populations in those cities accept them. In welfare, education? Win

bringing law and order and so on. This is why they have been powerful.

A strategy to undermine or weaken the Daesh or any of the terrorist

organisations, they would have to start to fulfil their role in the

Middle East in terms of providing welfare, education, jobs and so on.

It is very difficult to be anything other than pessimistic about this

problem because we do not have a vocabulary to address it. The 20th

century was really about 20th century warfare. This kind of pocket

terrorism, and as you say, drones are not the answer, special forces

are not the answer. This is a cultural problem. When I covered the

downfall of Gaddafi, I covered it in Libya. I asked people, what will

really stabilise this country? One woman said, if you give me money I

would build sports Centre is 40 metres across Libya, because they

have nothing to do, they have no constructive outlet. They are being

seduced into these nefarious groups. It is really a cultural problem that

we are seeing that is bubbling up from the bottom. A powerlessness.

The myth that they are being sold is that we Muslims have been sucked dry

and are powerless. Why are these young people from the west to have

everything, including women, whose lives are going to be hell, this

reduction that we want to be powerful... And you're not going to

be powerful like this, but that is what they are selling. Let us move

on. What would we -- should we do with refugees? Should we demand that

we hand over their valuables, as some Danish politicians want. Should

they starve and freeze in Syria, as is happening now? Are we suffering

from compassion fatigue when it comes to people from other countries

trying to move around? That extends to the debate in American politics,

the win which the European Union has acted? It is very interesting to me

that the West gets so exercised by this global responsibility. If it is

a globalised world that is not just a globalised world meaning,

capitalism can move to where it once, exploit the way brand bring

back the wealth, has to be global responsibility. For ten years, 12

years, most refugees in the world have in the dafter by the poorest

nations in the world. Of course there has been resentment, anger,

what are these people doing here, we are poor. Millions of refugees live

in Jordan, in the Lebanon, some in Egypt, Tanzania, Uganda. The West, I

fear, seems to think that it has some sort of global right to

complain excessively about this responsibility and to turned the

story of refugees into a threat to themselves. How did this happen?

Rationally you're right. The problem is that our previous discussion

please enter this. The attacks in Paris make it very hard for

politicians in France or anywhere to say, let us let in a quarter of a

million or a half-million Syrian refugees. Or in Turkey, as we have

seen this week. Exactly. The refugees... Terrace is... This

predates anything that happened in Europe. But we're talking about

today. You cannot talk about today. This has been going on forever. I

was an exile from my country in Uganda. When we came, it was

justice, we cannot take these people, it is the end of

civilisation. Now that our community has become rich, they love us. They

love them, not me. The events in Cologne which were absolutely

despicable in New Year's Eve, have been tied in some cases to people

who came to Western Europe for a better life, for safety, or whatever

reasons. That's quite rightly makes people very alarmed and makes us

wonder what we have done. Absolutely. And not to forget the

most tenuous of austerity policies in Europe. Our governments have been

telling us that there is no money, for schools, health care, housing,

for anything. So, to have government saying, we will welcome half a

million refugees from Syria or Turkey, this is very hard to take.

Europe post to change tack. This is absolutely shameful what has been

going on. European governments have been trying to pass the buck to

another European government or country, it is not our

responsibility, it should be the first country that receives

refugees. This cannot go on. There has been much more rational and

there policy. Some people believe that you should end showing in --

the Schengen agreement. The UK should be ashamed of itself. There

was a cartoon... I have to mention this, the cartoon in Charlie have to

this week made me utterly ashamed to be European -- Charlie Hebdo. A

young man lying dead on the beach, then showing him growing up

molesting women. This kind of cartoon, what kind of Europe have we

become? Years catching his breath. One of them is dealing with a global

issue. These people, if they come with some money after they have sold

there houses and possessions at a knocked down in price in order to

escape death, they will use that money to build themselves up in the

place to which they are going. Europe needs people to work. This is

important, we have to take this into account. The fact that Europe faces

hardship, other people face death, that has to be considered as a

matter of balance. What astonishes me is that a think it is fair to

call Europe and the West to account on this. But we're not talking about

the Gulf states and the other rich Arab countries. They get a free pass

in this. I find that astonishing. We have Qatar and the United Arab

Emirates and Kuwait and Saudi, not the most appealing places, for sure,

but how did they get a free pass and France and the Netherlands and

Denmark do not? It is an interesting point. The refugees want to come to

Europe where there is a welfare state, but there is also democracy.

It because we are democracies, the people of Europe are also utterly

resistant to have strangers from outside. Politicians need to

explain, no one has performed the role of being a public educator in

explaining the refugee problem, what our countries can benefit or not

from less. Cologne happened and then it is very difficult. People are

very angry. People are very, very angry. Populist parties from the

right out on the rise in Europe. This means that a lot of the ball,

millions of people, I very angry. We will not solve the problem by

saying, what they care about and feared does not matter. I completely

take your point about the Gulf states. But no body would want to go

to Saudi Arabia, which is the evil Empire. The values in that part of

the region are so debased... Not all of the values. But here, the road

Europeans, including British people, going to these refugee camps in

Europe and really helping. Some of them told me recently that one woman

watched Child in the cold in Europe, in one of these refugee camps, the

heart stopped beating. We cannot go on doing this and pretending that we

are civilised continent. I think that the problem has to be looked

into in an object of way. These people have to be accommodated, they

can be screened, you can accept some who are eligible. After the

situation has been settled, you can except pressure on Gulf countries,

so that they could fund then here if they will not take them. This is

another solution. I cannot put myself in the place of the people in

crisis and look for a solution. They cannot think for themselves. They

want to live, that is it, end of story.

Let us move on. The Oscar season is upon us. Dominated as usual by

Hollywood films. They show the complexity of American culture.

There are a few British ones, films and Irish and so on. But do the

Oscars remainders that when it comes culture there is one superpower, the

United States, and one language, English? I disagree with that. I

thought that you make! The Oscars are a celebration of American

cinema. Foreign films can only enter in the foreign film category. That

is very generous. For example at Cannes, all nationalities can

compete. The trends that we have seen in recent years with American

cinema is that there has been a decline in quality. Hollywood is

producing more and more formulaic and repetitive films. 90% of what

Hollywood producers is rubbish. There are excellent films that need

to be praised. But the rest of the world produces excellent cinema.

Amazing films not included in the foreign film category. One amazing

film on the problem of diet, a beautiful film. Hollywood has the

power. I think there are more British runs nominated this year

than ever before! Some of the best films. American stories, Brooklyn,

an astonishing film. It is a British and I -- British, Irish and Canadian

co-production. It is a brilliant film. It is a foreign film. There

are some British productions. My point is, this is the second

Hollywood here. They go to America to make films, angrily did exactly

the same. Richard Spies, brilliant screenplay, written by a British

writer, they all go to America -- Bridge of Spies. If you are white,

or highly skilled, like Ang Lee, you can go anywhere. American films are

wonderful, Hollywood is wonderful, but let us not talk about a super

cultural power. The world is much more interesting than that, thank

God. I have done quite well, three out of four. Cinema is the domain of

my son, politics is my dream. But while the balance of power in the

world is changing, not in every way, America will remain a major

superpower in cultural soft power, cinema, etc, even after its empire

expires. Exactly. That is why was going to come back to you and say,

supposing tomorrow everybody around the world is to boycott American

goods and services, so no Apple, Google, they speak, Starbucks, make

us laugh, Boeing aeroplanes. In any other country you could potentially

get away with it, but not in the United States. Of course not. Never

suggested a boycott. But as a cultural superpower, we have the

president of the United States telling us that America is

pre-eminent politically. This is a black Hiro... Are dark era in

American political history. There are differing perspectives on the

rise and supremacy of America moment. But the cultural supremacy,

the president was talking somewhat differently and Donald Trump has a

slightly different agenda. That is next week's show! Were people watch

Bollywood films than ever watch Hollywood films. One of the stars

has ten times more followers than even Tom Cruise. But he is not a

global character... Some of them can go to America and they all go crazy

for him. That is optimistic, with all due respect. The story was in

the New York Times, actually. Then it must be true! Regardless of the

fact that Pakistan got independence from the Indian sub continent

because it is Muslim, Muslim Pakistanis, if not all of them, do

well from watching Indian cinema. So the political disconnection does not

mean cultural disconnection. To go back to your main point, there are

some absolutely extraordinary films made which gets very little screen

time in the United States or Britain, but Timbuktu is also a

great film. Iranians make amazing films. Against all odds. That is

part of the Hollywood system, with production companies controlling

distribution. They have amazing marketing budgets. The producers of

Timbuktu, for instance, they could only dream of having half or a

quarter of the PR and marketing budget of The Revenant. If you look

back in time and can peer budget to today, you can see a lot of good

films produced outside of the United States today. Culture is soft power

and you have enormous incentives to produce films. What you seeing this

growth of international film studios in places like Iran and Canada that

simply did not exist and get exposure. So the flip your original

question around, this is actually quite an optimistic era for a global

cinema. All of our top black actors went off to America, made their

names... There is an amazing thing America does. I thought you were

going to use the best counterargument by saying that

America are still making Rocky movies! That is all from Dateline

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And very cold, frosty start to the weekend. One of the coldest we have

seen for some time. Temperatures in parts of Scotland reached -10

Celsius in some places last