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places staying dry. Scotland and Northern Ireland are the focal point | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
for more showers. Temperatures in the upper teens, maybe the low 20s | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
in the south-eastern corner. Looking ahead towards next week, and we have | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
some weather systems coming in from the Atlantic and it looks like it | :00:07. | :00:09. | |
could be wet on Monday in the southern half of the UK. Looking out | :00:10. | :00:12. | |
of the Atlantic for further whether his system is heading our way, next | :00:13. | :00:13. | |
week it is increasingly unsettled. Hello and welcome | :00:14. | :00:25. | |
to Dateline London. The Pope says the world is at war - | :00:26. | :00:28. | |
but not over religion. Is Hillary Clinton, | :00:29. | :00:31. | |
as President Obama put it, the best qualified candidate male | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
or female ever to run And will being qualified | :00:35. | :00:36. | |
actually help her against Plus: the Olympics - | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
a festival of sport or a festival of cheating | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
and performance enhancing drugs? My guests today are | :00:46. | :00:51. | |
the writer and broadcaster Jeffrey Kofman, Nabila Ramdani | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
who is a French Algerian journalist, Yasmin Alibhai Brown | :00:54. | :00:55. | |
the writer and commentator, It does not take courage or skill | :00:56. | :00:57. | |
for two 19-year-olds armed with knives to murder | :00:58. | :01:12. | |
an unarmed 86-year-old man. Following the attack on an elderly | :01:13. | :01:13. | |
catholic priest Jacques Hamel in Normandy, Pope Francis commented | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
that the world is at war, but not over religion - | :01:17. | :01:18. | |
over money and resources. And are French media organisations | :01:19. | :01:21. | |
wise to decide not to carry pictures of terrorists to avoid posthumously | :01:22. | :01:24. | |
glorifying what are fundamentally In terms of the world at war over | :01:25. | :01:34. | |
resources, is that how people see it or is it more they seek to derange | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
people on the fringes of French society who carried out this attack? | :01:40. | :01:45. | |
The Pope is making a more general comment. He is a modern Pope. He | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
needs to be a media player, he needs to come up with short, sharp sound | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
bites as opposed to the more intellectual words he uses any way. | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
He is right that the world is always at war and has been for thousands of | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
years. It has been often over religion, often over other factors | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
such as the balance of power and of course nowadays religion is less | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
prominent in Western societies. I think his Holiness is absolutely | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
right to argue money and resources are more likely to motivate | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
aggressions by countries such as America and Russia rather than | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
religion for example. That is why we have expressions such as oil wars. | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
We have the military-industrial complex, from the US, that is so | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
influential in the world. It supports countries that bolster its | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
materialistic mindset. At the other end of the scale however, I think it | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
is also fair to say that a lack of power and resources is also at the | :02:50. | :02:55. | |
root of problems in Iraq and Afghanistan, to take up arms against | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
other forces. Economic is the primary human factor and nothing | :03:01. | :03:08. | |
much has changed. -- economics. I think he is using his position to | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
define the conflict. I do not think it is about resources and economic, | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
it is about culture, whether that is religion or values. It is the | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
inability of France and other countries to reconcile with their | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
large immigrant population, a population from the Middle East, | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
often North Africa, they have not assimilated and have been | :03:32. | :03:33. | |
marginalised the last 50 or 60 years. While he may say it is not | :03:34. | :03:40. | |
religion, it has a religious origin, a religious cultural origin. You | :03:41. | :03:47. | |
have to look at the facts however, none of those involved are | :03:48. | :03:50. | |
particularly religious. They are often mentally ill. That is why I | :03:51. | :03:57. | |
say culture. I think France has more to do with its own criminal | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
underclass. As a general understatement about war is over | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
resources, undoubtedly that is correct, but coming after a few | :04:06. | :04:11. | |
19-year-olds who murder and 86 euros guy who happened to be a priest, | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
that seemed to be giving a grandiose statement about something which was | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
no better than street corner thugs. Yes, I think so. There's a tendency | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
to glorify and build street thugs as this huge enemy, sophisticated | :04:27. | :04:32. | |
force. There is nothing to this gated about what is at the end a | :04:33. | :04:40. | |
cowardly and barbaric act. -- sophisticated. It is not possible in | :04:41. | :04:47. | |
today's world to say it has nothing to do with religion. It is not | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
possible. There is something happening in the Islamic world that | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
is terrifying and it comes from Saudi Arabia. The sources are our | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
allies. That is where some of this is coming from. I just do not think | :05:01. | :05:06. | |
it is wise to say at this moment, yes, some of these people are | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
mentally ill, some of them were bad, not mad, we have to admit there are | :05:13. | :05:15. | |
some pretty awful people living everywhere. The religious motivation | :05:16. | :05:21. | |
that is planted in the heads of young people, some of them from | :05:22. | :05:24. | |
quite middle-class families. I do not know why it is happening, but it | :05:25. | :05:31. | |
is the religious fervour that is being injected into the heads of | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
people who were born here. What do you think? I think it does not help | :05:38. | :05:44. | |
to describe it as war. You have military situation of a kind. These | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
people are taking action, if you describe it as war, then the next | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
censorship. This war language is an instinctive thing which does not | :05:56. | :06:01. | |
help. The war on drugs, how has that lingering? Exactly. We have to look | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
at the alienation factor, some are second, third generation. I know | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
second and third-generation Bangladeshis who do not know what is | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
their culture from whether parents came from. Is what has gone wrong | :06:17. | :06:24. | |
where they do not know their historic ancestral culture and they | :06:25. | :06:30. | |
do not feel part of this culture. Not enough attention is paid to | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
that. Do you see echoes of that in France, people are not fully | :06:35. | :06:43. | |
integrated? The Prime Minister of France often speaks about those | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
ethnic minorities who are segregated. He speaks about it | :06:47. | :06:53. | |
economic, social apartheid, but there is never any action by the | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
government to make sure they are included and are part and parcel of | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
French assertive. There is some radicalisation going on, but we | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
essentially are dealing with very angry young men with criminal | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
backgrounds who take on this fantastical cause, because they have | :07:12. | :07:17. | |
nothing much to look forward to beyond prison. You can take up any | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
cause and turn it into a murderous cause. Secularism was the most | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
murderous ideology of the 20th century, Stalinism, Nazism, you can | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
take anything and turn it into that. The point about religious warfare | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
here, this is whether the Pope likes it or not, this has the potential if | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
it is not already becoming that, one man died in a church in a small town | :07:45. | :07:51. | |
in France. Remember, in January 2015, there was a terrorist attack | :07:52. | :07:59. | |
on a grocery store, the attacks are almost expected, but to go to the | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
heart of a Catholic nation, a small-town church, it does set the | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
otherness of all of this. It plays into the extremism of Marine Le Pen. | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
Anyone is a target as far as the criminals are concerned. You cannot | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
ignore the fact that in the Middle East we have an explosive situation. | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
When was the last time the Khalifa came up? It came up when the Ottoman | :08:26. | :08:32. | |
Empire collapsed. In that sense it is a huge symbol for some Muslims. | :08:33. | :08:39. | |
It is a deeply corrupt version of religion and politically. I am not | :08:40. | :08:46. | |
denying that. We cannot avoid the central issue. We Muslims in the | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
West, all around the world, there is not a single Muslim state where | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
there is proper accountability where citizens feel safe. Not one. But we | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
are talking about French individuals. Can I finish? Please, | :09:01. | :09:06. | |
allow me to finish. We cannot get away from the fact that as I get a | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
look lot of e-mails from young Muslims saying all I feel ashamed. | :09:11. | :09:17. | |
There is part of that going on. Also the double standards. US bombs | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
recently in the last two weeks killed hundreds of civilians. Right? | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
Hundreds of civilians, dropped them in civilian areas. Young Muslims | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
especially the most intelligent and watchful ones are consumed with the | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
idea of double standards. All kinds of anger. Not just criminality or | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
mental illness which are part of it, all kinds of things. All of this | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
plays into the polarisation of politics, whether it is Donald Trump | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
or Marine Le Pen, these terrorist acts are designed to create this. I | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
agree with the view on the double standards. Now we are hearing from | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
the Prime Minister who wants to prevent foreign funding to mosques | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
in France. He has a fabricated assumption that Islam is the cause | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
of terrorism. You cannot have it both ways, you cannot point your | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
fingers at the Saudis and say we do not want your money in French masks | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
and themselves weapons to Saudi Arabia which fuels conflict in | :10:20. | :10:26. | |
Yemen. It is France, the US, the UK, they are our allies. | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
The British people - we were told during the referendum | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
on European Union membership - are tired of experts. | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
Perhaps the American people are tired too - | :10:37. | :10:38. | |
in which case Barack Obama's endorsement of Hillary Clinton | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
as the best qualified candidate for the White House may not | :10:42. | :10:43. | |
In the week of her nomination as the Democratic party candidate, | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
do we think Hillary Clinton really can become the first female | :10:48. | :10:49. | |
I hope she can. Not necessarily because I think it is the female | :10:50. | :11:01. | |
argument, although it would be a good thing, we have a female Prime | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
Minister. The woman I most admire in the world today is Angela Merkel. I | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
really do, I wish I could live in Berlin, please do not e-mail and | :11:12. | :11:19. | |
tell me to go! LAUGHTER You are right, there is this | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
extraordinary reaction against the educated expert, the political class | :11:23. | :11:31. | |
and so on. People want something raw and boy have they got raw meat in | :11:32. | :11:40. | |
Donald Trump. There is a real risk. It is interesting to watch the two | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
conventions, the Democratic convention was conventional if you | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
like, Hillary Clinton turned up the day before with President Obama. The | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
Republican convention was a one-man show, Donald Trump was there all the | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
time. Conventions used to be when the candidate came at the last | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
moment and was crowned. It seems the American people have decided that | :12:04. | :12:06. | |
their politics do not work. They will go for a millionaire or | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
billionaire who espouse Cecil in business, it does not matter what he | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
says and they seem to think when he gets into the White House he will | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
appoint the right experts to make the country run well which is | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
extraordinary. -- who is successful in business. If Hillary Clinton as | :12:25. | :12:32. | |
we saw signs on Thursday night, if she can define Donald Trump rather | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
than vice versa, these infantile tweets that came out yesterday and | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
today, crooked Hillary was at it again. It is all schoolyard viewing, | :12:41. | :12:47. | |
all 140 characters or luminous. She made it clear that he is a dangerous | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
choice. She has to persuade the voters of that. -- of silliness. | :12:53. | :13:02. | |
There is no guarantee he cannot beat Hillary. But he continues to put his | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
foot in his mouth. Why do so many people according to the opinion | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
polls, the complicated way that presidents are elected we will get | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
two in a second, the polls show that he is ahead, if he puts his foot in | :13:17. | :13:23. | |
his mouth, then it plays into that narrative. Traditional politics here | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
in the UK and the US is not serving a huge area of the middle-class, the | :13:28. | :13:33. | |
lower class, those people feel the opportunities of the 21st century... | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
We have talked about it before, they feel it has passed them by. Brexit | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
is an expression of that and Donald Trump is an expression of that. He | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
wants to take it back to the white world. He wants to take it back to a | :13:46. | :13:54. | |
world that never existed. The slogan was we want our country back said | :13:55. | :14:01. | |
the Leave campaign and the simple-minded slogans seem to have a | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
potency I never thought possible. Hillary Clinton finally pointed out | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
when did America sees to be great? That is the pushback. If Americans | :14:11. | :14:19. | |
think that, they may conclude... I think she is still very much in the | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
running. After a messy beginning to the week with the Bernie Sanders | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
people booing her agenda and her, she managed to pull the party | :14:28. | :14:33. | |
together. She is not a terrific or so, but her speech pressed all the | :14:34. | :14:36. | |
buttons she needed to commission showed humanity and vision. -- a too | :14:37. | :14:48. | |
horrific speaker. I spoke in Michigan teaching, that is an area | :14:49. | :14:56. | |
that is crucial to trump. They are traditionally Democrats, they are | :14:57. | :14:59. | |
increasingly turning Republican red, that means that Donald Trump's | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
victory, he can be within reach. I have a lot of friends who live | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
there, male and female and they absolutely despise Hillary Clinton. | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
They view her as an old has mean who should have retired years ago with | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
her millions of dollars. They see her as a thoroughly dishonest | :15:20. | :15:26. | |
politician who is greedy. Of course, in principle, having the first woman | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
president in the US could be a very good thing, but why does it have two | :15:31. | :15:37. | |
be the dodgy one. The dodgy wife of a former president. Issue really | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
dodgy? Bill Clinton said there are two Hillary is, the caricature and | :15:43. | :15:50. | |
the real one. -- Hillarys. When you look at her versus Donald Trump's | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
business fraud... To have your own e-mail server. She has made some | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
colossal mistakes which you will pay for. Trump was saying that it would | :16:01. | :16:09. | |
be good if the Russians would drop a bomb, that does not seem to have | :16:10. | :16:16. | |
affected him. People feel fairly disenfranchise, people from the car | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
industry, the steel industry, they do not have a job and they do not | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
think they have a future. When Donald Trump goes into those states | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
and promises if he becomes president, Apple will have to have | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
its factories in America as opposed to China, cars will have to be | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
produced in America as opposed to Mexico, he speaks to those people, | :16:38. | :16:43. | |
he is offering them a job. Even people think it is nonsense, the | :16:44. | :16:51. | |
experts would you cannot tell Apple where to put their factories? Well, | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
unemployment in the US has gone down. Present Obama came in in 2008 | :16:57. | :17:02. | |
when the economy was in a tailspin and the economy is quite strong now. | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
-- President Obama. These people work in Walmart during the day and | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
then they work in KFC at night, they are carrying two jobs to stay afloat | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
and they are barely staying afloat, that is the resentment. That was the | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
same with the Brexit vote. People feel left behind by globalisation. | :17:22. | :17:27. | |
At the heart of one of the bills is a very frightening anti-immigrant | :17:28. | :17:30. | |
sentiment that Donald Trump is buying into. I do agree with what | :17:31. | :17:38. | |
you said about Hillary Clinton, I share some of your reservations, but | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
my God, when this mantle is about Mexicans and Muslims and the other | :17:44. | :17:49. | |
in the open way he does, it is the lesser of the two evils. Gerald Ford | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
was supposed to have lost the election because he did not know | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
that Eastern Europe was under the rule of the Communists, but Donald | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
Trump says the Mexicans will build a wall and the Mexicans have said they | :18:04. | :18:06. | |
will not build a wall, that does not feature. He is getting away with | :18:07. | :18:14. | |
this kind of rhetoric and what is interesting is what has so change in | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
America, even his supporters do not believe the Mexicans will pay the | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
wall. A lot of people do not believe he will actually build a wall, but | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
the metaphor and the rhetoric of what they like. It is not that they | :18:29. | :18:31. | |
are being suckered into believing that this war which would cost | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
billions would be financed by a country that be hurt by it. The | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
world's only superpower, that has only Donald Trump and Hillary | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
Clinton, that is depressing. You sound like an American voter! A lot | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
of people are in that position. I would rather have a much more | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
talented candidate against Donald Trump. I do not like the politicians | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
who have been defeated in the past and come back. We see that in French | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
politics, but Hillary Clinton has been defeated by President Obama | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
because she was far less popular and credible. We are where we are and | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
now the bigger threat to the world actually is Donald Trump. Actually, | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
I would dispute that. In terms of the safety and the stability of the | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
rest of the world, Hillary Clinton could be a much more dangerous | :19:23. | :19:29. | |
prospect. Why? His foreign policy is absolutely clear, he will withdraw | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
into some kind of Republican isolationism. Whereas we know that | :19:34. | :19:38. | |
Clinton is a warmonger. She will antagonise, she will continue | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
Obama's aggressive drone policies, antagonise Putin and Iran. Iran was | :19:45. | :19:54. | |
brought into the fold. This is believed to be the reason why the | :19:55. | :19:57. | |
Russians have hacked into her computers. This leads directly to | :19:58. | :20:06. | |
the murder of the US ambassador. I'm sorry, Donald Trump may offer you a | :20:07. | :20:13. | |
job in a minute. I am not underestimating her danger is that | :20:14. | :20:16. | |
man is, I'm just discussing foreign policy. I will cheer us all up by | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
talking about the Olympics. Having seen what is happening with dope | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
testing, it is a time stuff there. I think the Olympics will be the most | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
difficult. In the past we have always had Will the stage in the | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
right, first of all some of the stadiums, some people have not even | :20:39. | :20:42. | |
gone into the athletes village, but the fact of doping, yes, it does | :20:43. | :20:49. | |
mean sporting corruption, but that is brown envelopes being exchanged. | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
When you have doping, you cannot believe in sport. It is the myth and | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
the magic of sport. When someone lines up, you want someone to beat | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
him, now you watch the race and you do not know who is on drugs and who | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
is not and that destroys the whole basis. You have to trust that this | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
is people by their own time and grit and perseverance. The whole business | :21:13. | :21:20. | |
of the Olympics, whether you look at international football, everything | :21:21. | :21:23. | |
has been corrupted by money, everything. There are no sports any | :21:24. | :21:31. | |
more. Even cricket. One of the greatest of moral games! I think the | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
Olympics are different from them international football, American | :21:39. | :21:41. | |
baseball, just as an international collective face on a collective of | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
ideals and when the modern Olympics began in 1896, it was about bringing | :21:48. | :21:56. | |
nations together. It was an enlightened way to unite the world. | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
Even those who are chosen to host the Olympics, the corruption goes | :22:02. | :22:08. | |
all the way. What we have seen with Russia is a state dominated | :22:09. | :22:11. | |
drug-taking which we have not seen since the days of the East Germans | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
and on a very big scale, even the Russian secret service was involved, | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
making sure it is happening. The money point is you cannot offend the | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
Russians or anyone who is too powerful because there are so many | :22:25. | :22:31. | |
at -- because there are so much money at stake. The IOC think it is | :22:32. | :22:35. | |
their sport and they want the whole world to be there, one of the | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
decisions they take is to cosy up to politicians where is in the past | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
they did not do that. In Rio, for the athletes they have to swear they | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
will not dope or take drugs. This is where the world has come to. They | :22:50. | :22:56. | |
will not take drugs now! LAUGHTER Do you remember the remaining team? | :22:57. | :23:00. | |
And then you remember how much was going on. It is not new. I think the | :23:01. | :23:11. | |
system was created where people can form as individuals, now we have | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
Team GB. It has become very much a patriotic thing rather than | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
individuals. Yes. I think my general view is I have always thought of the | :23:22. | :23:27. | |
Tour de France as having the best unity in the world, despite years of | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
shambolic drug scandals, it always comes back every year as if nothing | :23:32. | :23:38. | |
has happened! It is one of the few things we can win! The Olympics are | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
going down exactly the same way and I have to say they are letting the | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
Russians compete in the rear Olympics and I think that is like | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
having Lance Armstrong back in the Tour de France, it turns everything | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
into a laughing stock. It is how the politicians view sport. Obama and | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
Cameron played table tennis and people judge them on how well they | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
were playing. That is something that Clement Attlee and Winston Church | :24:06. | :24:12. | |
would not have done. Maybe golf. -- Winston Churchill. I am interested | :24:13. | :24:19. | |
in sport, I read the back pages, but now it is on the front pages. Putin | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
plays this game brilliantly, he got the Winter games, but that was an | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
artificial city he built. After the games, will people start playing the | :24:30. | :24:35. | |
games? One solution would be to let everyone take as many drugs as they | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
want and then everybody is equal. In a desperate attempt to end the | :24:40. | :24:46. | |
programme on a happy note, the 2012 Olympics was going to be a disaster, | :24:47. | :24:54. | |
but it was brilliant. It really was. When we get some great results and | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
Usain Bolt does his stuff, we will all feel yes! Looking at what we | :24:59. | :25:06. | |
were and what Britain has since become. You have just killed the | :25:07. | :25:13. | |
feel-good factor. Sorry, I am a depressive! LAUGHTER | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
You can comment on the programme on Twitter and engage | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
We're back next week at the same time - | :25:24. | :25:27. |