13/08/2016 Dateline London

Hello and welcome to Dateline London. Does infighting mean the

Labour Party is finished as a potential British government for

many years to come? Donald Trump does not really suggest gun-owners

should shoot Hillary Clinton. Good to see all my guests. The

British Labour Party is split on so many different ways it is difficult

to know where to begin. There are many different members who want

different things. Is it safe to assume that Labour will not be

challenging to four minutes government in the United Kingdom? I

am afraid that Labour have counted themselves out for the time being.

It is in a terrible state like in the 1980s. It took them for

elections to get into power. If they can do it in only two that would be

miraculous. They have accidentally elected a leader in by a series of

accidents who is unelectable and has the worst personal ratings of any

opposition leader ever. He is the lowest of them all. There is no

chance that he could be elected as Prime Minister but he has a Donald

Trump like fan base of people convinced that only all of the

Labour Party got behind could make it. But it is not so. It is a case

of ideology, though and not that sure there is that much difference,

but the realists against the fantasists. Perhaps other than on

Trident, you would struggle to put your finger on a big ideological

difference between the two sides. Owns Smith has quite radical

policies which would be maxed by stuff the party. -- Owen Smith. It

is about the mystique of Jeremy Corbyn that many people in the

Labour Party do not understand. The new arrivals have stars in their

eyes about him. What is happening in the French left with Francois Hull

being the most unpopular? The same problem. In France there are no

Trots going into the Labour Party. The economy is doing badly and

President Hollande is seen as a weak president. Nicolas Sarkozy has taken

on the mantle of the crusade he is launching. The Socialist Party is

cut-off and their only hope is the centre-left is the minister of the

economy. Unlike Britain where at least there is something is today,

where you could see progress in moderate Labour and central lists,

in France it is stuck. One thing that is different is that no one

toxin the French left about a social movement. President Hollande wants

to hang onto power and the people that support her more power. That is

all that they want. It is the extreme left wing and the Communist

Party. There are no entrance into the two main parties by the extreme

left in France. You have an electoral system that binds people

together and are is even worse. Labours should be to parties and the

Conservative Party should be two parties, the Ken Clarke progressive

and the anti-European nutcases, they should be to parties and so should

Labour. Which I before to split the Labour Party and our first past the

post system destroys any new entrant. That is what is fascinating

about the Labour Party is it -- Labour Party it is an example of

democracy working against voting for new members. You think of the UK and

the ideal of the mother of Parliament and the mother of

democracy, and then you see the courts blocking people from voting.

A group of disaffected members, not the NEC, went to the court and the

court said this is a private club, sort yourself out. But the fact that

there is a move to block people from voting. I am not saying it is wrong

or right, is just how people are tried to work out the technicalities

of eight. If you have hundreds and thousands of Trotsky and ensure

this, which is pretty niche, to stop them from voting it shows that what

is happening is not only a crisis of ideology in the Labour Party but a

crisis of the technicalities of the Labour machine and the political

system in general. I asked why is it that the Right can sort out their

difficulties and get rid of our Prime Minister quickly and the left

cannot. You said that the left is an open process while the right wants

to get results. You could send that to the Oxford book of quotation, I

like that. It is true. The left, in this country anyway, it's all about

the process. How can people turn up and give a speech and suddenly have

carbonates invented as a word. Trotsky we have heard. Blairites and

brown nights. Owen Smith looks like President

Hollande, like a better looking younger brother. I hope that he will

be more successful than President Hollande. Knowing we were going to

talk about this, a US general said after we went into Afghanistan that

we should declare victory and get out. I think it is time for the left

to declare its factories and reformulate itself, because there

have been considerable progress of victories in my lifetime on social

issues. We should declare victory. I do not know how the Labour Party

holds together. Those who forget their history are condemned to

repeat it, but those who remember it too well I condemned to repeat it as

well. I do not see how this party holds together as a unit. The only

thing that keeps it together is the electoral system. They would split

tomorrow if they were not bound together. That has done the

Conservative Party Hamas well. The Labour Party should change the

electoral system when they were in power. We are seeing the longing for

new parties to come up, whoever it is. There is a need to be

represented. In this country there was Ukip, for instance. 4 million

people voted for Ukip and they court once it because of our unfair

system. There should be a far left party that should be able to get

people into Parliament. I think it is about ideology and the difference

in style. It is less the particularities that there is

something about left-wing dogma, particularly in the UK, that has the

virtue and then things develop like with Jeremy Corbyn. I think it is

about a legacy of left-wing thinking which has inherent morality, while

right-wing thinking doesn't. It is more practical. But that is seeing

things not doing things. It is about presenting yourself in a certain

way. That some people are not political parties and they just want

to see the country run properly. This is where I not entirely sure

that Jeremy Corbyn... He is unelectable in a general election

but I do not think his fans are only from the Labour Party. There is

something about him that might translate... It might translate in

the sense that people think that he looks like you might believe in

something. There is a lot of resentment and part of the

population, not only because of the political system but also the fact

of the financial crisis and that it is continuing, people cannot get

jobs according to the qualifications, and that attracts a

lot of anger and bosses are giving themselves a 10% pay increase. That

is why I think Jeremy Corbyn represent something. It is not to

when, but it is a protest vote. There is no sign that Jeremy Corbyn

has brought anybody into the Labour side who ever voted anything other

than left in this country. He has to get somebody who has voted

Conservative in the past two support him and there is no chance. We can

move on. There were signs of some relief in the siege of Aleppo this

week that the Syrian war continues. It can be difficult to follow who is

making progress. Does this all in Turkish relations with Moscow

represent a major shift in what effect will this have on the refugee

crisis? Whatever you think is going on in Syria, there is so much going

on around Syria that is causing people to die. Aleppo is the epitome

of that. It is a city that has paralysed by four or five players.

There is the Assad resume, the rebels, Turkey, Iran in the

background. Aleppo has become this tragic flash point of how the Syrian

crisis is a proxy for other agenda is, but also how President aside has

managed to Lethbridge international agendas. -- President Assad. Turkey

and Syria had a meeting and they are coming closer together, the BBC

called it an alliance of misfits. They world say things that look like

they are cooperating, but really is it owing to happen? The largest

concession that came out of it was that Russia was going to allow a

three-hour window for aid convoys to come into Aleppo, which the Turkish

to not think is long enough and they do not think that they are going to

do it anyway. The other bit of propaganda was that there are going

to be harder on Isis. They can agree on that. But they are relevant when

it comes to Aleppo. -- they are not relevant. They shake hands and it is

on TV and it looks like Russia and Turkey coming together, that they

are not tackling what is good to make the situation easier in Aleppo.

I was wondering whether that was game played to say to the Americans

that we do not get on very well with them at the moment, please handed

over to us. There is an element of that. We seem to be in an era where

there is no ideology. It is just strong man. There is a strong man in

Vladimir Putin and another in the Turkish Prime Minister. They have

been at all since the tight shot down the Russian jet last year. This

is a perfect moment for the Turkish Prime Minister to go to the lakeside

near St Petersburg and to remind people, which is a good photo Op for

Putin who is always taking every advantage, to remind the west that

Nato may not be a perfect alliance. I think there is more but that the

mirrors to do with Syria. The constant thing about the tax and

Syria is the effect of fighting against Isis is the Kurds. President

Erdogan will not have them playing a leading role if you can avoid it

because that will strengthen the situation. There is a lot going on

here. Vice President Biden is supposed to be going to Turkey to

play a different role there. While all of this goes on, this big power

game, more people are dying. We have watched the horror this week of

chemical attacks. I am never sure why it is worse to be killed by

chemicals than a barrel bomb fool of appalling weapons, but it is

internationally recognised and that is not seem to make much difference.

We sit here in Britain looking at it with horror and people are saying,

do something, but all that has been proposed is that we drop more bombs

on them. That does not seem very helpful. There is no shortage of

bombs being dropped. That is not an answer. We do have some special

forces on the ground, although we do not know what they're doing or how

many there are fairer doing any good, but we've is very clear how we

in could intervene to any good purpose. The deal were tacky about

what to do with refugees, whether that can survive? It is the only

deal on offer. It suggests deal and we shouldn't have done it, but it is

the only deal at a time that Europe is in crisis. It cannot take any

more refugees without creating a populist backlash, and at a time

where there is Brexit. Aleppo is making it worse because there will

be more refugees. The refugee question should be a UN question and

America and Shirley and Britain should take more refugees. For

Europe, whatever happens if President erred again. There are two

reasons why the economy is doing badly in Turkey. The Euro and taking

more refugees. Donald Trump is guilty of what might be called

Jeremy Clarkson syndrome. When Donald Trump says something because

as I read it claims it is a joke or he has been misinterpreted by

hostile media. Is it a total misrepresentation to suggest this

week that he encouraged gun orders to shoot Hillary Clinton? That is

what a lot of people thought. I know a lot of those people, including the

guy behind individual whose jaw dropped. My interpretation of its,

having watched it over and over, is that he was referring to court by

Thomas Jefferson about the tree of liberty needing to be watered from

time to time with the blood of pigeons and tyrants. It is summoned

to the militia movement to be on guard if there is a democratic

Senate and president as to what kinds of judges and gun rights. Many

of his commercial is not been paid for by the Republican party but by

the national rifle is to. They are quite effective. The polls are bad

for him but they have been affected. That is what he meant I think. We

can get the Minutemen to get rid of that somehow. Without thinking, I do

not think years summoning. It is not like these dark web websites that

the militia guys go to, but it is the sort of thing that Timothy

McVeigh... I was in Oklahoma City when the bomb went off. This has

never gone away from the underbelly of America. People looked at the

patterns of gun ownership they would see that most American families do

not own a gun. Most of the weaponry is owned by a third or 40% of the

population and their own a lot. They believe that Sunday the government

will become a terrorist. I think you give Donald Trump too much credit. I

don't think it says things that clear or defined. He reminds me of a

quote by the Joker in the Batman Returns, he said like a dog chasing

a car I do not know what to do if I catch it. But what will he do with

it? I don't think when he says these things that he has that kind of

coherent thought of who he is reaching out to. I think it has

become clear, because his gaffes are becoming more frequent. I thought it

was impossible that he would be able to alienate his supporters, but it

is really beginning to happen. A few things in succession would prove

that he doesn't know why saying these things because he is going to

hurt himself. The attack on the parents, which you do not do. The

third most recent thing is the Clinton incitement and then saying

Obama founded Isis. Hello Clinton treated this week that Obama did not

find Isis. -- sent a message this week saying that Obama did not find

Isis. That is what the debaters. I do not think that child knows what

he is talking about. I think it does in a way, but he is a psycho path

and a narcissist. He is also a bully and a tyrant in the making. The rest

of the world looks on and wonders how he could get close, that he

could get near to the nuclear button. How could it be that America

that thinks of itself as the Seine and constitutional place, think of

its self-image as a spreader of liberty, it has bridges this

monster. It is terrifying. He reminds me of Marie Le Pen. She is

the leader of the national front, the daughter of the founder. The

more incredible lies that her father told, he managed to get 25% of the

vote and get the social soaked. It is dangerous. As we saw with Brexit,

the poll always. Ready Le Pen is doing well by distancing herself

from the politics of her father while still building on some of that

support. She is done it well is that because of that. She got rid of the

anti-Semitic attack to concentrate on the Muslim attack. She is more

subtle. If you are good to be successful on the right you need to

blow the dog whistle and not trumpet. Trump and the pen just say

it out right. Anyone who is anti-Semitic knows that MIDI Le

Pen... Is the Republican Party in worse shape than the Labour Party is

in Britain? No. Being president is not being an elected dictator. There

is the possibility and the likelihood is that the Republicans

will remain control of the House of Representatives, regardless how

badly Trump does they may lose the Senate. The Republican party, like

the Conservative Party, they will come back from Donald Trump. If

Donald Trump losers, by a landslide as the Poles estimate, he will

probably lose in the electoral college by a landslide. The

Republican Party will bounce back and continue to practice but they

have been practising for 25 years, a practical approach to politics.

Block everything a Democratic president does, bring him closer

ruin the presidency. As they have come close to doing with Barack

Obama, they have made it impossible for him to be as effective as he

could've been. The same thing with Bill Clinton. I do not think that a

Trump defeat that I see today is likely will kill the Republican

Party. It is actually possible that I will never see a Labour government

in my lifetime. It is true, unfortunately. But it is not Donald

Trump's defeat that will kill the Republican Party, it is the fact

that he exists and is running that is killing the party. They are

responsible for him. Donald Trump is the Republican Party's owned

creature from the dark lagoon. The fact he exists as the most

dangerous. The American electorate created Donald Trump. He will get

40% of the votes. If there was no Donald Trump, those votes would go.

They exist. If they were finding a voice and organise politics, then

what I was talking about earlier about the militia movement, Lee, who

were born in America, would they really fearful because it would have

greater wind in its sale. I would rather they words reveal politics

than the dark web. That is all from Dateline London for this week. We

are back next week at the same time. Goodbye.