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Hello and welcome to Dateline London. | :00:23. | :00:24. | |
Does it matter if the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom says different | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
things about Brexit publicly from those she said privately | :00:28. | :00:30. | |
NATO reinforces its northern flank, how much of a threat is Russia? | :00:31. | :00:35. | |
And the days before the US presidential election the FBI | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
says it is to look again at Hillary Clinton's emails, | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
My guests today are Alexander Nekrassov who is a Russian | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
journalist and former Kremlin adviser, Maria Margaronis | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
of The Nation, Michael Goldfarb who is an American journalist | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
and commentator and Alex Deane who is a Conservative Commentator. | :00:53. | :01:06. | |
The Guardian obtained a copy of the speech the premise to give to a | :01:07. | :01:23. | |
group of Goldman Sachs executives. In his speech, she talked of some of | :01:24. | :01:26. | |
the horrors ahead of Britain if we voted to leave the European Union. | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
Now, as promised, she is clear that lever we must. Does it matter what | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
she once said when what matters now is what she does? I don't accept the | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
premise. She was repeating the mainstream position of the remaining | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
campaign. Of course, facts have changed. People have changed their | :01:42. | :01:43. | |
beliefs. The Treasury to this we would be plunged into immediate | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
recession, we have not. The Chancellor said he would lose | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
500,000 jobs, we have not. The suggestion that things were | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
immediately going to turn for the worst was part of the Goldman Sachs | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
speech. That was part of what everyone in government was saying. | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
Theresa May was a remain campaigner, not an enthusiastic one, but that | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
was her position. What she said in private was consistent with her | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
public position. The Guardian think they have a good story, I don't see | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
the point. The leaf campaign said there would be ?350 million going to | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
the NHS. Was the whole campaign based on people saying things that | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
weren't true. We are still in the European Union. He actually think it | :02:23. | :02:30. | |
will go to the NHS? I wouldn't have used that figure if it was up to me. | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
The point is that that is our contribution and it is up to us how | :02:36. | :02:38. | |
we spend it. We will reclaim that contribution. We can do what we like | :02:39. | :02:44. | |
that. It might go to the NHS, I don't know. It will be up to us. Our | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
now Prime Minister expressed views in the course of the campaign that | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
we should not leave the European Union, why is that a surprise? That | :02:53. | :03:00. | |
was her position. Does it matter? I have in agreement with Alex. Then we | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
shifted the question around to claim and counterclaim. We should have a | :03:06. | :03:10. | |
moratorium on punditry until article 50 is with invoked. I agree, she | :03:11. | :03:20. | |
said what the remainder position within the Cabinet was. We get | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
excited about it because she's headed to a group at Goldman Sachs. | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
We have spent this campaign wondering what Hillary Clinton is | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
said to Goldman Sachs bankers when she was giving talks. There is this | :03:35. | :03:40. | |
thing about Goldman Sachs. It doesn't seem odd to me. What I would | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
like to know, it always seemed to me that you couldn't rise to the top of | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
the Conservative Party unless you were, somewhere in your soul, | :03:51. | :03:56. | |
Eurosceptic, even if you read David Cameron or Theresa May or George | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
Osborne. The big beasts like Ken Clarke and Chris Patten, no longer | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
have a constituency within the party. You have to be able to nod | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
and wink to the Eurosceptic wing in the party that deep down inside I am | :04:11. | :04:18. | |
with you. Theresa May's shift to her current position doesn't seem to be | :04:19. | :04:26. | |
a very big step really. Theresa May has always been an eurosceptic. She | :04:27. | :04:33. | |
was always saying it is better to stay in, not that she supported the | :04:34. | :04:40. | |
EU, that is not an inspiring rallying g-force of very few people | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
love the EU. The campaign was based on it isn't very good, but we should | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
stay in any way. It comes in the week when we have heard that Nissan | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
are delighted to stay in the UK and we don't know why and they said is | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
no money involved but Vince Cable who was in government says that | :05:01. | :05:03. | |
there must have been some promise of a sting in the customs union, which | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
is why, at the point is still relevant. First of all, the whole | :05:08. | :05:15. | |
campaign was fought on a mystery. We have no idea what it will mean to | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
leave the EU and we can't know until it is negotiated and there is a | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
fantasy gone on in Westminster that Britain is in control of this | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
because there are the other European states as well. The Nissan question | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
is important because if undercover promises are being made to | :05:33. | :05:34. | |
corporations about what may or may not happen, we should know about it. | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
No body is shocked people say one thing to bankers and another in | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
public. She remained very quiet during the campaign. She was clearly | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
positioning herself to be a possible future Prime Minister and it worked. | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
Does it matter what the premise to actually thinks? Is she just a front | :05:56. | :05:58. | |
for the party or do we need to know what she believes? I think it is | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
very important to know what she thinks in private. It is quite naive | :06:04. | :06:10. | |
to say that she said that because Cameron also said that. I am sorry, | :06:11. | :06:17. | |
first of all, my opinion is from outside and she has no idea what to | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
do with the Brexit. Absolutely. There is a total division in the | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
government. They are struggling to present the case to certain sections | :06:27. | :06:32. | |
of the public because they don't know what to say. The whole point | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
was that the referendum clearly said we want out. The Article 50 should | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
have been triggered at once. Once she became Prime Minister, appointed | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
promised by the way, her duty was not to say Brexit is Brexit start | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
going into some sort of initiatives like grammar schools and other | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
things. Her job was to deliver Brexit. Brexit needed to come at | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
once because once you trigger article 15 then you have to do | :07:04. | :07:10. | |
things. Now they don't do anything. Do you agree? The other view is you | :07:11. | :07:13. | |
can't do it immediately because we need to think this through and it | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
has not been thought through in terms of the practicalities. I don't | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
think Theresa May said those things because David Cameron said, I think | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
she said because she believes them. She still believes we would be | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
better off in the European Union. If you were looking for somebody to | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
guide us out of the EU in a calm, measured, orderly fashion from the | :07:35. | :07:41. | |
pool of talent in parliament, you would fix -- pic Theresa May. I feel | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
more comfortable with her at the helm. The turning point for me is | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
less important than the direction of travel and research and teaching | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
gives is that it will happen. Do you think it is relevant to consider | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
what is keeping Nissan here and whether there are any other dealers | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
and other businesses will want to know because if there is a pot of | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
money, they will want a bit of that, if there is not that will want to | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
know what is the incentive if they foresee problems about Sting in | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
Britain outside the EU? Businesses have already made huge investments | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
to be here. You don't have to convince somebody hard to do what | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
they already want today. It would involve huge amounts of and money to | :08:23. | :08:30. | |
relocate existing businesses from here to another market, often the | :08:31. | :08:33. | |
other market is less attractive for cultural and corporate reasons. I | :08:34. | :08:39. | |
don't know each individual would set between the government and Nissan, | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
but I suspect the government didn't have the hold down the Great Danes. | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
We note Nissan have already said they could move to France. They said | :08:48. | :08:53. | |
they would do that when we didn't join the EU. There is a factory | :08:54. | :09:02. | |
which has a long lead in time for products. If you were going to exit | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
you wouldn't commission new vehicles at that property. The fact they are | :09:08. | :09:15. | |
committed to the premises... If there is some kind of tariff, if the | :09:16. | :09:22. | |
sales of Nissan cars are registered in Switzerland for tax purposes, | :09:23. | :09:25. | |
there is all sorts of things going on in terms of tax. There is a long | :09:26. | :09:32. | |
tradition in this country as deindustrialisation has wiped out | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
communities in Wales in the north-east of England, of | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
governments of both parties dipping into their pockets to find | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
incentives to keep steel manufacturing here and some amount | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
of carbon manufacturing. What will happen when Jag wire and Rover say | :09:48. | :09:54. | |
we want the same deal as Nissan. Do you know of any promise? We know of | :09:55. | :10:04. | |
nothing. Europe is in trouble and to say that banks would move their | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
headquarters to Europe where the Eurozone is sinking, where it is | :10:09. | :10:15. | |
protected by a cushion of 100 billion euros is created every | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
month. No bank in its right mind will move to Europe. No big company | :10:21. | :10:34. | |
will move to Europe the sub a final word because maybe she should wait | :10:35. | :10:43. | |
for article 50. We are making more powers in this country than we ever | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
have. When we make more and export more, we tend to make and export | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
very good smart cards and by large ones. That is to the advantage of | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
several manufacturers. It is likely they will get a deal on cars and | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
several other things. As we have discussed, relations between Nato | :11:02. | :11:04. | |
and Russia have gone from bad to worse after events in Ukraine. Nato | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
is continuing to reinforce on the Baltic in that protecting countries | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
that were former part of the USSR or under Warsaw Pact controlled. Where | :11:15. | :11:21. | |
is this leading? What is the meaning of life? Firstly, I find this | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
situation bizarre, to be honest. To portray Russia as an aggressor and | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
that wants to invade the Baltics, even Poland has now mentioned it, to | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
create this illusion that the Russian military build-up is posing | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
a danger to the world, I would like to remind everyone here at that the | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
Russian military budget is about 180 billion a year, where's the American | :11:49. | :11:51. | |
budget is about $1 trillion every year. You are saying to me that | :11:52. | :11:59. | |
Russia is posing a danger when its budget is probably, I can't even | :12:00. | :12:07. | |
compare it. People in eastern Europe take a different view. This whole | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
issue was basically created out of nothing. The whole issue was created | :12:14. | :12:21. | |
after the Ukrainian crazes which, by the way, conveniently is counted not | :12:22. | :12:27. | |
from the armed coup in Kiev, but from the events which took place | :12:28. | :12:36. | |
after that. There was a coup in Kiev which overthrew an elected | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
government. Why are you still there now? When this happens, | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
repercussions started. That would never have been a referendum in the | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
Crimea if there hadn't been a military coup in Kiev. You must | :12:52. | :12:58. | |
always counted from the specific point of history. You cannot just | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
take out a bit and say we don't like this one. Why are the troops still | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
there now now that your so-called coup isn't happening? The coup has | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
happened, a hostile government is in place in Kiev which is threatening | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
the eastern parts and Russian people. Do you honestly believe | :13:18. | :13:25. | |
that? To save Russia has invaded Ukraine, I can say to you that | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
Britain has invaded Gibraltar again to protected from Spain. This is | :13:30. | :13:41. | |
absurd. Just moving on from Ukraine because we are not going to agree on | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
this one. I think Nato is not taking this seriously. If you think about | :13:48. | :13:53. | |
the 300,000 Russian troops and the Dogra station 4000 troops. The real | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
issue for me is Syria. What on earth can anybody do to stop Russia | :13:58. | :14:04. | |
supporting and bombing hospitals and schools. He should not talk like | :14:05. | :14:14. | |
that. What do we do about the US led coalition bombing civilians in | :14:15. | :14:24. | |
Mosul. One at a time. There is no real comparison between the very | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
slow, probably too slow and methodical, together of mostly Iraqi | :14:30. | :14:37. | |
and Kurdish forces to try to force Islamic State out of Mosul and what | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
is happening in eastern Alaba. There is simply no intellectual or moral | :14:42. | :14:50. | |
comparison that you can make. There is no chlorine bombs being dropped, | :14:51. | :14:57. | |
barrel bombs being dropped. We should stop this propaganda. | :14:58. | :15:00. | |
Chlorine is used by the rebels most of the time. It has been proven | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
already. You cannot just continue to invent those facts. You are not the, | :15:05. | :15:14. | |
I have been in Mosul, I have not been in Alaba. I can say that the | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
independent NGOs that monitored this sort of thing have to have the space | :15:21. | :15:23. | |
between us where we can say if they said it is true. Not what the | :15:24. | :15:30. | |
Russian government says. It is reported and we have to accept this | :15:31. | :15:33. | |
otherwise we cannot have any conversations on this. You never | :15:34. | :15:40. | |
listen to the other NGOs. We have eastern Alaba which is supposedly | :15:41. | :15:46. | |
suffering, which it is, let me finish, there is western Lebanon | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
where children are killed every day, that you don't know, but you don't | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
want to see. Work involves two sides. Thanks to the glories of the | :15:55. | :16:03. | |
internet and Twitter and drones, the is plenty of video that hovers over | :16:04. | :16:09. | |
both sides of the city. We have satellite images coursing through | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
Facebook and Twitter where many journalists... Eight lot of them are | :16:14. | :16:21. | |
fakes. It is a conspiracy theory. It is not a conspiracy theory. In Libya | :16:22. | :16:27. | |
this was a fake footage used all the time, now we know how it is done. | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
You cannot just tell me that there is no fake footage. The fact is, | :16:32. | :16:39. | |
would you agree that Russian forces are bombing Alaba at this time? No, | :16:40. | :16:47. | |
they are fighting terrorists. Let's move on. The frightening thing is | :16:48. | :16:55. | |
here by the denials. This is like what the Iraqi regime said, but this | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
is a nuclear power. With days before the US presidential election, the | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
FBI is to reopen an enquiry into Hillary Clinton's e-mails. Is it the | :17:06. | :17:11. | |
biggest thing since Watergate as Donald Trump says? It was a | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
bombshell dropped on a Friday evening. The one thing we have found | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
out over the last 18 hours is that these e-mails came from Anthony | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
Wheeler, the disgraced former congressman from New York who is | :17:27. | :17:33. | |
married to Hillary Clinton's top aide. Sometimes referred to as | :17:34. | :17:40. | |
Hillary Clinton's brain, or her hard drive. What seems to have happened | :17:41. | :17:49. | |
is they were married and the wife sometimes used the family computer. | :17:50. | :17:56. | |
This is getting to the heart of what is seen as dodgy Hillary. What is | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
she doing sending e-mails only private server? That is the | :18:02. | :18:04. | |
allegation and we don't know what the e-mails contain. That is great. | :18:05. | :18:10. | |
I don't think she is a good candidate and you wait. It just | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
demonstrates a propensity for prayer judgment. I don't think it is the | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
same kind of scandal as her own behaviour. It is the act of someone | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
at next year and it is on a much smaller scale. You might question | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
the judgment in being married to Anthony Wiener, that alone in using | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
the computer. I don't think is an issue it is as significant as | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
Hillary's own fast misuse of technology. The bad thing for her is | :18:36. | :18:42. | |
timing. It right now. It is odd the FBI decided yesterday to do it. Ten | :18:43. | :18:49. | |
days to go? Are you accusing the FBI of many leading the electoral cycle? | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
I don't see evidence to support that. In the course of another | :18:55. | :18:57. | |
investigation they discovered material that I am sure they would | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
rather not have to deal with. This brings the FBI into a grid and | :19:02. | :19:11. | |
difficult political spotlight. What we are all missing here is that we | :19:12. | :19:17. | |
are trying to portray this election as if Hillary Clinton is the | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
candidate of Wall Street, Goldman Sachs and all that. There is Donald | :19:22. | :19:29. | |
Trump he is basically all by himself. A billionaire, using his | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
own money. There are two powerful forces fighting with each other. | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
There are vested interest groups who have the money, the muscle and so on | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
behind each candidate. If you tell me that, for example, strange things | :19:45. | :19:52. | |
are happening around the campaign and accusations of Russia being | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
involved in manipulative in the presidential campaign, of course | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
there are powerful groups behind this. That does not happen by | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
chance. It just doesn't work like that. I have been a spin doctor | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
myself, I know how this works. Information is fed into the system | :20:12. | :20:17. | |
and it starts to unravel. My humble opinion is that pressure was put on | :20:18. | :20:25. | |
the FBI. It is obvious. Ten days before an election. By whom? That is | :20:26. | :20:35. | |
what I said, vested interest groups. And FBI director comes out ten days | :20:36. | :20:42. | |
before the election and says we have some evidence, I cannot tell you | :20:43. | :20:48. | |
what it is, but... He hasn't seen it. He implies it is so damaging for | :20:49. | :20:57. | |
Hillary, this is electioneering. I am not a huge fan of Hillary | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
Clinton. I don't think she is a good candidate, I don't think she is a | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
crypto. I am not sure where these e-mails were police now. It smells | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
political to me. It certainly smells political. What worries me is what | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
happens after Hillary is elected, because I don't think it will put | :21:16. | :21:18. | |
Trump in the White House. There is a broad stream in the Republican party | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
he just think the Democrats do not have the right to be in power. | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
Whichever candidate is elected they will face investigations. Donald | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
Trump this a lawsuit over Trump University and there are other | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
charges. Hillary Clinton faces a different set of charges. Some | :21:36. | :21:41. | |
candidates edge presidents have ended in scandal, but this president | :21:42. | :21:48. | |
will start in scandal. Donald Trump is being investigated within the | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
legal system. Even yesterday and the day before, there were plenty of | :21:53. | :21:59. | |
Republicans who were standing up and just insisting before this FBI | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
e-mails that they would just immediately began investigating | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
Hillary. The idea is to tie her down. The House of Representatives | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
will likely stay in the hands of the Republicans. Going back to 1994 the | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
way that the Republicans, when they have a majority in the house, deep | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
with a Democratic president is to bury them in paper. These are | :22:24. | :22:31. | |
processors of Congress. Democrats fitted with Reagan toward the end of | :22:32. | :22:35. | |
his presidency. It is slightly different but... The idea of | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
criminalising political differences is not just one party in America. | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
The extent to which it takes over from governance, it has been | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
excellent potential over the last four democratic terms of office. To | :22:52. | :22:58. | |
Clinton presidencies and to Obama presidency is. I agree with Maria. I | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
have a feeling that in the long run this would change the outcome of the | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
election much. It might increase Donald Trump's vote, but libertarian | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
voters were coming back to him anyway and I am not sure about it. | :23:15. | :23:21. | |
Either candidate elected as the president of the United States is | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
going to begin office with some kind of cloud. This is a uniquely bad | :23:25. | :23:32. | |
offering. I don't know how they got to the point where these are the two | :23:33. | :23:35. | |
candidates. They are both very lucky in the opponents that they face. | :23:36. | :23:42. | |
They are so lucky to have such bad opponents. Two we actually have | :23:43. | :23:50. | |
agreement around that? I think it is a game changer. I saw the jaws drop | :23:51. | :23:56. | |
on CNN when the breaking news came. They were just hitting the floor. | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
Was that because they were wondering what the FBI is up to? Why is this a | :24:02. | :24:14. | |
game changer? When the FBI comes up with accusations about a candidate | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
in 11 days before the election and you are telling me that this doesn't | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
work, this will not influence it, this is the real world. In the real | :24:24. | :24:33. | |
world... There's no detail. There is some detail. We know it is alleged | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
that someone close to Clinton who had access to sensitive information | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
used a system which was not secure. Anthony Wiener was using it at the | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
same time. She disseminated material in part. The timing is dreadful | :24:47. | :24:54. | |
Frecklington. I am not sure it is a game changer but it is not positive. | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
More than 10% of the population have voted already. The trends are well | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
set and he will get 43 144% of the board, she will get 46 or 47. Will | :25:06. | :25:20. | |
win. -- 43 or 44%. That is it for this week. You can interact to | :25:21. | :25:26. | |
complain about our guests online. We are back next week. | :25:27. | :25:37. |