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Crime in Wales is going down. Burglaries are on the up, this is

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Good evening. If you look at the statistics, crime levels across the

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country appear to be falling. If you look at opinion polls after the

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economy and unemployment crime and law and order is the third most

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important issue affecting all of us. What's the true picture you may

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ask? Well the answers may lie in the figures on burglary - Dragon's

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Eye has learnt that burglary rates have gone up by 20% across Wales

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despite a fall in overall crime. The figures come from a new

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compilation of recorded crime by UK Crime Stats as I've been finding

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out. It is something we all worry about,

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how much crime is there in society, how safe are our houses and

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belongings. Overall, crime fell last year by 70%. When we look a

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burglary it is a different story. On average, the numbers go up by

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20%. That goes against the trend according to one Criminology

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experts. It is a concern because it's an area that has traditionally

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over the last decade or so, the number of burglaries has been

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dropping steadily. Increased security, targeted policing, a

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number of reasons why. The police will be disappointed there is a

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rise in burglary and they would take the appropriate action and

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analyse the data. Of course we want -- will not know if it's a long-

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term trend for a number of years. It could be a statistical Spike,

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the numbers are not tremendous in terms of overall crime and

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occasionally you do get this spike for a number of reasons, even down

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to burglars being released back into society. They will look at it

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I imagine in a long-term period to see if there's a trend. Different

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parts of the country fare South Wales Police saw the number

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go up from 563 in 20th December 10 to 834. In North Wales, the figure

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What has caused this apparent increase? In the press, headlines

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about an austerity crime wave but the man who compiled the figures is

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not convinced. The recent data suggesting specifically robbery and

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burglary goes up a little bit in recession. However, we should be

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cautious to because it depends on the area. The national picture does

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not give you that much of the field. What affects people is crime in

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their area and concerns about the relative risk compared to other

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local areas. The Home Office said they are improving the transparency

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of information to the public through crime maps so they can hold

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their forces to account. Police and Crown Commissioners will act as the

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people's champion by setting local In some areas, there will always be

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certain problems, the centre of Cardiff is a shopping buzzing

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destination at day and a party venue by night. In dozens of pubs

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and clubs hundreds of shops and visitors every year, it might be

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surprising Cardiff city centre has the highest number of crimes in

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Wales. The area also has the 7th highest number of crimes in the

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whole of England and Wales. Last year, there were over 11,500 crimes

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committed last year and of those over 3,500 or anti-social behaviour.

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That is 10 every day. Anyone who spends a night out in Cardiff may

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have seen the antics of some revellers. According to our expert,

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high numbers of crime recorded could be because of more bobbies on

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the beat. The problem with recorded crime figures is that it is just

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the crime we know about. And it is the fact that more police you put

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on the streets, invariably what happens is more crime is recalled -

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- reported. It's a case of we know what we know, we don't know about

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what we don't know about. It sounds strange. There is a lot of crying

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in society we do not know about because it's not report it. --

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crime. There are many reasons why. The falling crime overall will be

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welcome news to many but the burglaries will be cause for

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concern. The UK Government is pushing through some far reaching

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changes to Welsh and English police forces - budgets are being cut but

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Home Office Ministers insist less bureaucracy will free up more

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officers to patrol our streets. We're also just a few months away

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from the first elections of elected police commissioners. Plenty to

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discuss, then, when Dragon's Eye's, Tomos Livingstone met up with the

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shadow policing minister, the Delyn MP, David Hanson and began by

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asking him what he made of the twenty per cent rise in the

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burglary rate. I am very concerned because

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burglary is a crime that affects people in their homes. With

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personal crime going up 11% over the last year, the worrying trend

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emerging in police forces. What explains this rise, is it the

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recession? The Labour government was the first year of the recession

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and I remember as police minister being surprised we contained the

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levels of crime during the recession. This is the beginning of

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a new trend to show crime is rising as the recession starts. But part

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eg because of growing unemployment -- parlay that is due. There are

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reductions in expenditure and reductions in spending on crime and

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justice. What can people do about it? I know the police have been

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trying hard to ensure the rise is stopped. That is often undertaken

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by prolific offenders, we need to tackle in the longer term drugs and

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alcohol and performance in prison to make sure they do not reoffend.

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I know the police are keen to focus on those prolific regular offenders.

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Burglary rates were falling and has holders might be less alert to this

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crime. Crime overall fell by 43% over 13 years. We're now seeing,

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despite the best efforts of the police, a rise in burglary and

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personal crime. People need to be vigilant, take steps in their home

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to mark their equipment and locked windows and doors. The police need

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to look at regular offenders to make sure they are not committing a

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repeat offences. All of us need to ensure we improve the levels of

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funding for police. You mention the funding and cuts. The government

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argue they are cutting back office functions not officers, is there a

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connection between spending on police and crime? I will let the

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viewers make up their own mind. Police officers have been lost in

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Wales, there are 4,000 fewer police officers on the street than a year

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ago. I think people in Wales will recognise fewer police means more

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difficult challenges insuring with police effectively. The police are

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doing a great job but with few of them, it is difficult.

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government argued there is not enough money to keep funding the

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police to the levels previously, what would a Labour government do

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differently? We had plans to make savings and efficiencies in back

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office staff. The government are cutting a 20% of the police budget

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this year, last year and next year. It is not sustainable. We need to

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invest more in the police and give strength to local people to take

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action. The Government's strategy will not help reduce the burglary

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despite the great efforts of police. David Hanson, thank you very much.

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The Conservative AM, Byron Davies spent many years in the police and

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used to be part of the UK National Crime Squad. He's with me now.

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Thank you for joining us. Reading back what David Hanson raised,

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because of the UK Government's cuts, there are fewer police officers on

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the street, less spending on community safety and a reduction in

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the overall spending on crime. He says it is on your watch and puts

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the blame on the UK government cuts to budgets. It comes as no surprise.

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Let me say burglary is a very unpleasant, especially residential

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burglary. We have had to deal with a situation where we have two

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thirds of the police force on the streets patrolling, the rest are in

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back-office jobs. We have had to release those people. It is a case

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of getting people back on the streets patrolling which is where

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police officers should be. Is that going to happen? 283 fewer police

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officers in Wales in the last year alone. It will be difficult,

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getting to grips is not easy. course it will be difficult but the

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fact is the public expect value for money. We are in or austere times.

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It is about getting police sitting in offices out on the street

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patrolling. The object of any force is on the streets patrolling.

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paperwork has to be done by somebody, if you have few officers,

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somebody has to do those back office functions. Indeed but I have

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to say this government has ensured the paperwork is reduced. Something

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like 70 forms had to be completed a for a burglary, that is going out

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of the window. These targets are finished. Looking at the 20%

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increase in burglary over the last year in Wales, to what extent can

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that be attributed to the recession, we are living in difficult times

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and you're likely to see the theft and burglary go up? You do get

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these spikes as was pointed out in the interview. The point is

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burglary, I would be silly to say it is related to the current

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financial crisis but there is no excuse for it. As I say, it is

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about being out there, good intelligence and arresting these

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people. One of the big ideas of the UK government is elected police

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commissioners, how will that help? Enormously. They would take the

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bureaucracy at the bottom have at the moment, we have people directly

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elected by the people and police pals will be representing the local

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authorities and people and they will feed their views up to chief

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Constable's directly. Thank you for joining us this evening. Today we

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learnt that Cardiff has been unsuccessful in its bid to bring

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the UK Government's three billion pound Green Investment Bank to the

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city. It was announced this morning that the headquarters will be in

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Edinburgh. The Enterprise Minister, Edwina Hart, had lobbied UK

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ministers to bring the bank to Cardiff which the Welsh Government

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has designated its Financial and Professional Services Enterprise

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The aim is to create a central business district attracting top

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financial institutions to Cardiff. The City employs 50,000 people in

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the sector making up 124,000 across Wales providing financial services.

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The government wants an increase of 200,000. It will pay a -- play a

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key part. It is the closest capital city to London but that is the

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headline. The reality is our ability to bring the organisations

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into Cardiff is dependent on the people. The government is

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establishing a Green Investment Bank to have �3 billion of public

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money to spend on energy schemes. Cardiff was one of 32 areas bidding

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to host the headquarters of the new body which will invest in recycling

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facilities. The UK government announced it would be based in

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Edinburgh. The minister says she is disappointed the bid to bring the

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bank to Cardiff has been unsuccessful. She says she pressed

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the case with the business Secretary Vince Cable but says

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there will be other opportunities for Welsh companies. There is so

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much more you could do to have secured the investment bank. I was

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in Westminster before Christmas and one of the rival bids was hosting a

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parliamentary reception with a glossy brochure and people going to

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put the case for that city. The Welsh government hasn't done any of

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that for Cardiff. Sources say it Cardiff did not make it into the

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Scotland to have more financial services and a historic base of

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them. We are not alone in that. Other regions are also trying to

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latch onto this high-value industry, so it is about improving our

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offering said that competition really does not faze us, because at

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the moment I think we are being competed out of the market.

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An adviser to the Welsh government says the public and private sectors

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are now working together to make Cardiff a successful centre.

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The government has put it at the top of its agenda to support

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organisations which bring jobs into Wales. In the last three weeks,

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there have been at three large investments, all of which have been

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supported by the government, and which have been recommended by the

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panel of Ministers. Edwina Hart would not be

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interviewed by this programme. Critics say the Welsh government is

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sending out the wrong message to financial institutions.

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The errors something hypocritical to try and get those who engage in

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financial activity to come to Cardiff and generate income locally

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and to spend their money, to then actually say that we support a

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financial transaction tax. Even more worrying is that when the

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Welsh Labour government said they supported a financial transaction

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tax, something which the UK Labour Party doesn't, it is a quite

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bizarre step -- step to take, it is not be positive message you want to

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put out their. This Plaid Cymru adviser says more

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needs to be done. One of the things I have pledged

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the Welsh government to do is to establish stronger relationships

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with the venture capital community in London. We have not done that.

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Missing out on the Green Investment Bank may be a blow, but it is also

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being reported that another big employer, Legal and General, may be

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backing out of an agreement to create a business district around

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the station. Those working in the financial

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services sector in Cardiff say the city will have to keep building for

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the future in order to attract companies in.

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Less discusses with the leader of Cardiff council. First of all,

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Rodney, the fact that the Green Investment Bank will be located in

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Edinburgh rather than Cardiff, how much of the losses that?

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Clearly it is disappointing, but we still have a very clear plans for

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our central business district. It took us some time to persuade the

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Welsh government to back that up by giving us enterprise zone status,

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but we will very much continue with these plans. As was highlighted in

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the report, the financial sector is very important to Cardiff's economy.

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It employs about a quarter of our workforce, it produces 30% of our

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economic output. We have been growing our financial services

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sector in recent times, despite the economic downturn, so we can have

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confidence that we can move ahead. Looking at what was said there that

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it took some time for Cardiff to get enterprise zone status, to what

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extent do you think the Welsh government was dragging its heels?

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The UK government announced these months before the Welsh government

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said we will follow suit? I do not think there is anything in

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that at all. We have the only business enterprise zone anywhere

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in the country, in the centre of Cardiff. That is a unique selling

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point. I agree with probably about the fat that we are very

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disappointed that the Green Investment Bank will not come to

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Cardiff. -- I agree with properly. What about the fact that enterprise

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zones are targeted at specific industries? Anglesey is an energy

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area. In England, an enterprise zone is an enterprise zone, and you

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cannot attract what you want. We know that has failed in the past.

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It failed in the 1980s in Swansea. If you have a general enterprise

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zone, all you end up doing is sucking into that part of the city

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businesses that otherwise would be located outside it. We are very

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clear that we want specialist zones to avoid that problem, and to be

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able to concentrate and build on the strength of an area. The

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strength in the centre of Cardiff are very different to Anglesey, and

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we want to play to the strength of an area.

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Would you prefer to see a broader approach to attracting a group of

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companies rather than targeting financial companies?

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It would have given us more scope. Having said that, I do not think it

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is the be-all and end-all of everything. We are clear that we

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are not looking to sucking jobs from elsewhere in Wales. We are

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looking to get the kind of firms that will come to Cardiff that

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would not go to any other part of Wales. We are looking at competing

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with other cities in England to get these jobs, so I am not that

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bothered about the argument about displacing jobs from elsewhere in

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Wales. As we heard about Legal and General.

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How confident are you about their future will -- future in the City?

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We are looking at plans for various parts of our district. We are

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discussing plans with employers, and this is still ongoing. We are

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confident they will remain. There seems to be a lack of detail

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in terms of what can be offered by these enterprise zones. We do not

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know what a company will be getting. That is not the case in England.

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We are no different. But you get answers sooner England.

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We will deliver in the same way, and such uncertainties apply

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equally in England as they do in Wales.

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Is there a problem in the relationship with the UK government

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and the Welsh government, which has been fraught over the last few

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months? I do not think that is true. Edwina

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Hart was in London speaking to Vince Cable about this decision.

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She was meeting chief executives and chairs of companies. I think

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when it comes to making decisions, and Real Business, the relationship

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between Wales at Westminster is still strong. -- Wales and

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Westminster. Almost 300 workers at Remploy

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factories in Wales are at risk of losing their jobs. It is because

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the UK government has decided to stop funding seven of the nine

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factories working here. They are unlikely to achieve financial

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viability without government support. The move has angered many

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politicians, who claim it is going to be tough for Remploy workers to

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get jobs elsewhere. My question is, yes, I want to see

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disabled people being mainstream and having jobs that they want, but

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where are they? It is a sad state of affairs.

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An independent review which recommended that government funding

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should support individuals rather than subsidising factory businesses

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formed the basis of this decision. The Minister for Disabled People,

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Maria Miller, says the thundering - - funding going to have Remploy

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factories will be reinvested into other schemes to help disabled

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people find work. It is a decision that has been welcomed by some

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campaigners, including Rhian Davies, chief executive of Disability Wales,

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who was owed to me earlier. Looking at some of the workers and

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the headlines today, and what was said about the announcement, they

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said they felt shafted and disgusted, they really do not want

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this to go ahead. But I get the sense you do. Why are you welcoming

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this move? Disability Wales has long

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campaigned for a fully inclusive society, and the rights for -- of

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disabled people. At the opportunities for disabled people

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to work in mainstream jobs. However, are we do recognise that we are not

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living in an ideal world, and that for many disabled people, it is

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hard to get work. This is a very difficult jobs climate for all

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people, let alone disabled people. If I fully appreciate the concerns

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that many of the workers feel about the future, and this has been a

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very sudden decision in many ways. The future must be looking very

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bleak for many of those workers. One of the things I have heard is

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that it would be better for Remploy employees to work in more

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mainstream work forces. How difficult will that be, considering

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it is tight economic times? There are many obstacles and

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barriers to disabled people attaining work, things like skills

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and qualifications, workplace barriers like access, transport

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barriers, and also employer attitudes. Disability Wales and

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other organisations have worked hard for many years to campaign for

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those to be tackled, but we are still a long way from achieving

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that, so again, for workers and other disabled people seeking work

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in the mainstream, it is a tough one to get into.

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This is not the worst possible time to make an announcement about

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pulling the funding for Remploy factories?

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It is an extremely tough time. There has been a question over

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Remploy as a business, as a brand for 20 years. Successive

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governments have talked about closing down. This one has taken

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that step, but obviously it is that the worst possible time for all

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people, and especially disabled people.

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The government say they may keep them as a going concern. How viable

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do think these seven factories are? I do not have detailed knowledge,

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but I think what is important is that there is a consultation with

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the employees themselves, who were no better than anyone the business,

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the opportunities, local contacts. At what Disability Wales would be

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interested in seeing is whether there is opportunities for disabled

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people, those workers, to take over those factories themselves, to be

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in control of them and make those decisions with the support to

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enable that to happen. For those workers who are facing

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losing their jobs, what would be your message? What can the UK

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government do for the now? I think every effort has to be made

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to support the workers. This is no fault of their row. We need to look

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at retraining, skills, jobs are bored, poaching, contact with local

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businesses. For those who do not feel that is the right option.

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Thank you for joining us tonight. You have probably noticed it has

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been international Women's Day today, and we have honoured that by

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having a man presenting, but Felicity will be back! It is women

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in politics will be talking about now with Betsan Powys. We are going

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to discuss a possible fall in the number of women's politician --

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women politicians. It is an issue which is concerning.

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People are concerned with Welsh politics and the representation of

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women in it. It is a bit of a water if game, but I think it is worth

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getting. The assembly, what do people know about the number of

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women in the assembly? There was a point where it was 5050, the first

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legislature in the world where it was done in that way, but the

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number has come down a bit. There is a hope it might rise again in

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2016. But look at boundary changes and Westminster, and start playing

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that game. It is a real game of questions, because we do not know

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what will happen. There is a possibility that Susan Ellen Jones

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will lose. What if that were to cut across the Jessica Mordon? Other

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politicians may be standing down, and suddenly you start to find that

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the number of women represented from Wales would start to fall. And

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there is a concern that parties they to spot that early and try and

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consider what they might do about He is the rare thing they can do?

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-- is there anything they can do? They can, and the Labour and Plaid

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Cymru have done a lot of good in that regard. But what if Alan

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Michael becomes a police commissioner? Then there will be a

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contest for his seat in a you cannot have an all-women shortlist.

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-- in Penarth. The parties might want to do something about it, but

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