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Crime in Wales is going down. Burglaries are on the up, this is

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Good evening. If you look at the statistics, crime levels across the

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country appear to be falling. If you look at opinion polls after the

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economy and unemployment crime and law and order is the third most

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important issue affecting all of us. What's the true picture you may

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ask? Well the answers may lie in the figures on burglary - Dragon's

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Eye has learnt that burglary rates have gone up by 20% across Wales

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despite a fall in overall crime. The figures come from a new

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compilation of recorded crime by UK Crime Stats as I've been finding

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out. It is something we all worry about,

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how much crime is there in society, how safe are our houses and

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belongings. Overall, crime fell last year by 70%. When we look a

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burglary it is a different story. On average, the numbers go up by

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20%. That goes against the trend according to one Criminology

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experts. It is a concern because it's an area that has traditionally

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over the last decade or so, the number of burglaries has been

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dropping steadily. Increased security, targeted policing, a

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number of reasons why. The police will be disappointed there is a

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rise in burglary and they would take the appropriate action and

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analyse the data. Of course we want -- will not know if it's a long-

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term trend for a number of years. It could be a statistical Spike,

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the numbers are not tremendous in terms of overall crime and

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occasionally you do get this spike for a number of reasons, even down

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to burglars being released back into society. They will look at it

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I imagine in a long-term period to see if there's a trend. Different

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parts of the country fare South Wales Police saw the number

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go up from 563 in 20th December 10 to 834. In North Wales, the figure

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What has caused this apparent increase? In the press, headlines

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about an austerity crime wave but the man who compiled the figures is

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not convinced. The recent data suggesting specifically robbery and

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burglary goes up a little bit in recession. However, we should be

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cautious to because it depends on the area. The national picture does

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not give you that much of the field. What affects people is crime in

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their area and concerns about the relative risk compared to other

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local areas. The Home Office said they are improving the transparency

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of information to the public through crime maps so they can hold

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their forces to account. Police and Crown Commissioners will act as the

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people's champion by setting local In some areas, there will always be

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certain problems, the centre of Cardiff is a shopping buzzing

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destination at day and a party venue by night. In dozens of pubs

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and clubs hundreds of shops and visitors every year, it might be

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surprising Cardiff city centre has the highest number of crimes in

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Wales. The area also has the 7th highest number of crimes in the

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whole of England and Wales. Last year, there were over 11,500 crimes

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committed last year and of those over 3,500 or anti-social behaviour.

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That is 10 every day. Anyone who spends a night out in Cardiff may

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have seen the antics of some revellers. According to our expert,

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high numbers of crime recorded could be because of more bobbies on

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the beat. The problem with recorded crime figures is that it is just

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the crime we know about. And it is the fact that more police you put

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on the streets, invariably what happens is more crime is recalled -

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- reported. It's a case of we know what we know, we don't know about

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what we don't know about. It sounds strange. There is a lot of crying

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in society we do not know about because it's not report it. --

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crime. There are many reasons why. The falling crime overall will be

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welcome news to many but the burglaries will be cause for

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concern. The UK Government is pushing through some far reaching

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changes to Welsh and English police forces - budgets are being cut but

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Home Office Ministers insist less bureaucracy will free up more

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officers to patrol our streets. We're also just a few months away

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from the first elections of elected police commissioners. Plenty to

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discuss, then, when Dragon's Eye's, Tomos Livingstone met up with the

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shadow policing minister, the Delyn MP, David Hanson and began by

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asking him what he made of the twenty per cent rise in the

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burglary rate. I am very concerned because

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burglary is a crime that affects people in their homes. With

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personal crime going up 11% over the last year, the worrying trend

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emerging in police forces. What explains this rise, is it the

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recession? The Labour government was the first year of the recession

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and I remember as police minister being surprised we contained the

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levels of crime during the recession. This is the beginning of

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a new trend to show crime is rising as the recession starts. But part

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eg because of growing unemployment -- parlay that is due. There are

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reductions in expenditure and reductions in spending on crime and

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justice. What can people do about it? I know the police have been

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trying hard to ensure the rise is stopped. That is often undertaken

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by prolific offenders, we need to tackle in the longer term drugs and

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alcohol and performance in prison to make sure they do not reoffend.

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I know the police are keen to focus on those prolific regular offenders.

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Burglary rates were falling and has holders might be less alert to this

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crime. Crime overall fell by 43% over 13 years. We're now seeing,

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despite the best efforts of the police, a rise in burglary and

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personal crime. People need to be vigilant, take steps in their home

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to mark their equipment and locked windows and doors. The police need

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to look at regular offenders to make sure they are not committing a

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repeat offences. All of us need to ensure we improve the levels of

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funding for police. You mention the funding and cuts. The government

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argue they are cutting back office functions not officers, is there a

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connection between spending on police and crime? I will let the

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viewers make up their own mind. Police officers have been lost in

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Wales, there are 4,000 fewer police officers on the street than a year

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ago. I think people in Wales will recognise fewer police means more

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difficult challenges insuring with police effectively. The police are

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doing a great job but with few of them, it is difficult.

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government argued there is not enough money to keep funding the

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police to the levels previously, what would a Labour government do

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differently? We had plans to make savings and efficiencies in back

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office staff. The government are cutting a 20% of the police budget

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this year, last year and next year. It is not sustainable. We need to

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invest more in the police and give strength to local people to take

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action. The Government's strategy will not help reduce the burglary

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despite the great efforts of police. David Hanson, thank you very much.

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The Conservative AM, Byron Davies spent many years in the police and

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used to be part of the UK National Crime Squad. He's with me now.

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Thank you for joining us. Reading back what David Hanson raised,

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because of the UK Government's cuts, there are fewer police officers on

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the street, less spending on community safety and a reduction in

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the overall spending on crime. He says it is on your watch and puts

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the blame on the UK government cuts to budgets. It comes as no surprise.

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Let me say burglary is a very unpleasant, especially residential

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burglary. We have had to deal with a situation where we have two

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thirds of the police force on the streets patrolling, the rest are in

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back-office jobs. We have had to release those people. It is a case

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of getting people back on the streets patrolling which is where

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police officers should be. Is that going to happen? 283 fewer police

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officers in Wales in the last year alone. It will be difficult,

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getting to grips is not easy. course it will be difficult but the

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fact is the public expect value for money. We are in or austere times.

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It is about getting police sitting in offices out on the street

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patrolling. The object of any force is on the streets patrolling.

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paperwork has to be done by somebody, if you have few officers,

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somebody has to do those back office functions. Indeed but I have

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to say this government has ensured the paperwork is reduced. Something

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like 70 forms had to be completed a for a burglary, that is going out

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of the window. These targets are finished. Looking at the 20%

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increase in burglary over the last year in Wales, to what extent can

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that be attributed to the recession, we are living in difficult times

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and you're likely to see the theft and burglary go up? You do get

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these spikes as was pointed out in the interview. The point is

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burglary, I would be silly to say it is related to the current

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financial crisis but there is no excuse for it. As I say, it is

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about being out there, good intelligence and arresting these

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people. One of the big ideas of the UK government is elected police

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commissioners, how will that help? Enormously. They would take the

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bureaucracy at the bottom have at the moment, we have people directly

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elected by the people and police pals will be representing the local

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authorities and people and they will feed their views up to chief

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Constable's directly. Thank you for joining us this evening. Today we

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learnt that Cardiff has been unsuccessful in its bid to bring

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the UK Government's three billion pound Green Investment Bank to the

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city. It was announced this morning that the headquarters will be in

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Edinburgh. The Enterprise Minister, Edwina Hart, had lobbied UK

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ministers to bring the bank to Cardiff which the Welsh Government

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has designated its Financial and Professional Services Enterprise

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The aim is to create a central business district attracting top

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financial institutions to Cardiff. The City employs 50,000 people in

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the sector making up 124,000 across Wales providing financial services.

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The government wants an increase of 200,000. It will pay a -- play a

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key part. It is the closest capital city to London but that is the

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headline. The reality is our ability to bring the organisations

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into Cardiff is dependent on the people. The government is

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establishing a Green Investment Bank to have �3 billion of public

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money to spend on energy schemes. Cardiff was one of 32 areas bidding

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to host the headquarters of the new body which will invest in recycling

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facilities. The UK government announced it would be based in

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Edinburgh. The minister says she is disappointed the bid to bring the

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bank to Cardiff has been unsuccessful. She says she pressed

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the case with the business Secretary Vince Cable but says

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there will be other opportunities for Welsh companies. There is so

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much more you could do to have secured the investment bank. I was

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in Westminster before Christmas and one of the rival bids was hosting a

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parliamentary reception with a glossy brochure and people going to

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put the case for that city. The Welsh government hasn't done any of

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that for Cardiff. Sources say it Cardiff did not make it into the

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Scotland to have more financial services and a historic base of

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them. We are not alone in that. Other regions are also trying to

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latch onto this high-value industry, so it is about improving our

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offering said that competition really does not faze us, because at

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the moment I think we are being competed out of the market.

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An adviser to the Welsh government says the public and private sectors

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are now working together to make Cardiff a successful centre.

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The government has put it at the top of its agenda to support

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organisations which bring jobs into Wales. In the last three weeks,

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there have been at three large investments, all of which have been

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supported by the government, and which have been recommended by the

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panel of Ministers. Edwina Hart would not be

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interviewed by this programme. Critics say the Welsh government is

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sending out the wrong message to financial institutions.

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The errors something hypocritical to try and get those who engage in

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financial activity to come to Cardiff and generate income locally

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and to spend their money, to then actually say that we support a

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financial transaction tax. Even more worrying is that when the

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Welsh Labour government said they supported a financial transaction

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tax, something which the UK Labour Party doesn't, it is a quite

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bizarre step -- step to take, it is not be positive message you want to

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put out their. This Plaid Cymru adviser says more

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needs to be done. One of the things I have pledged

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the Welsh government to do is to establish stronger relationships

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with the venture capital community in London. We have not done that.

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Missing out on the Green Investment Bank may be a blow, but it is also

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being reported that another big employer, Legal and General, may be

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backing out of an agreement to create a business district around

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the station. Those working in the financial

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services sector in Cardiff say the city will have to keep building for

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the future in order to attract companies in.

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Less discusses with the leader of Cardiff council. First of all,

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Rodney, the fact that the Green Investment Bank will be located in

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Edinburgh rather than Cardiff, how much of the losses that?

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Clearly it is disappointing, but we still have a very clear plans for

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our central business district. It took us some time to persuade the

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Welsh government to back that up by giving us enterprise zone status,

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but we will very much continue with these plans. As was highlighted in

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the report, the financial sector is very important to Cardiff's economy.

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It employs about a quarter of our workforce, it produces 30% of our

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economic output. We have been growing our financial services

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sector in recent times, despite the economic downturn, so we can have

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confidence that we can move ahead. Looking at what was said there that

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it took some time for Cardiff to get enterprise zone status, to what

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extent do you think the Welsh government was dragging its heels?

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The UK government announced these months before the Welsh government

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said we will follow suit? I do not think there is anything in

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that at all. We have the only business enterprise zone anywhere

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in the country, in the centre of Cardiff. That is a unique selling

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point. I agree with probably about the fat that we are very

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disappointed that the Green Investment Bank will not come to

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Cardiff. -- I agree with properly. What about the fact that enterprise

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zones are targeted at specific industries? Anglesey is an energy

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area. In England, an enterprise zone is an enterprise zone, and you

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cannot attract what you want. We know that has failed in the past.

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It failed in the 1980s in Swansea. If you have a general enterprise

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zone, all you end up doing is sucking into that part of the city

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businesses that otherwise would be located outside it. We are very

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clear that we want specialist zones to avoid that problem, and to be

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able to concentrate and build on the strength of an area. The

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strength in the centre of Cardiff are very different to Anglesey, and

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we want to play to the strength of an area.

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Would you prefer to see a broader approach to attracting a group of

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companies rather than targeting financial companies?

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It would have given us more scope. Having said that, I do not think it

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is the be-all and end-all of everything. We are clear that we

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are not looking to sucking jobs from elsewhere in Wales. We are

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looking to get the kind of firms that will come to Cardiff that

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would not go to any other part of Wales. We are looking at competing

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with other cities in England to get these jobs, so I am not that

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bothered about the argument about displacing jobs from elsewhere in

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Wales. As we heard about Legal and General.

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How confident are you about their future will -- future in the City?

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We are looking at plans for various parts of our district. We are

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discussing plans with employers, and this is still ongoing. We are

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confident they will remain. There seems to be a lack of detail

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in terms of what can be offered by these enterprise zones. We do not

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know what a company will be getting. That is not the case in England.

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We are no different. But you get answers sooner England.

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We will deliver in the same way, and such uncertainties apply

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equally in England as they do in Wales.

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Is there a problem in the relationship with the UK government

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and the Welsh government, which has been fraught over the last few

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months? I do not think that is true. Edwina

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Hart was in London speaking to Vince Cable about this decision.

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She was meeting chief executives and chairs of companies. I think

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when it comes to making decisions, and Real Business, the relationship

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between Wales at Westminster is still strong. -- Wales and

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Westminster. Almost 300 workers at Remploy

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factories in Wales are at risk of losing their jobs. It is because

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the UK government has decided to stop funding seven of the nine

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factories working here. They are unlikely to achieve financial

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viability without government support. The move has angered many

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politicians, who claim it is going to be tough for Remploy workers to

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get jobs elsewhere. My question is, yes, I want to see

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disabled people being mainstream and having jobs that they want, but

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where are they? It is a sad state of affairs.

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An independent review which recommended that government funding

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should support individuals rather than subsidising factory businesses

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formed the basis of this decision. The Minister for Disabled People,

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Maria Miller, says the thundering - - funding going to have Remploy

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factories will be reinvested into other schemes to help disabled

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people find work. It is a decision that has been welcomed by some

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campaigners, including Rhian Davies, chief executive of Disability Wales,

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who was owed to me earlier. Looking at some of the workers and

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the headlines today, and what was said about the announcement, they

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said they felt shafted and disgusted, they really do not want

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this to go ahead. But I get the sense you do. Why are you welcoming

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this move? Disability Wales has long

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campaigned for a fully inclusive society, and the rights for -- of

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disabled people. At the opportunities for disabled people

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to work in mainstream jobs. However, are we do recognise that we are not

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living in an ideal world, and that for many disabled people, it is

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hard to get work. This is a very difficult jobs climate for all

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people, let alone disabled people. If I fully appreciate the concerns

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that many of the workers feel about the future, and this has been a

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very sudden decision in many ways. The future must be looking very

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bleak for many of those workers. One of the things I have heard is

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that it would be better for Remploy employees to work in more

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mainstream work forces. How difficult will that be, considering

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it is tight economic times? There are many obstacles and

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barriers to disabled people attaining work, things like skills

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and qualifications, workplace barriers like access, transport

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barriers, and also employer attitudes. Disability Wales and

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other organisations have worked hard for many years to campaign for

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those to be tackled, but we are still a long way from achieving

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that, so again, for workers and other disabled people seeking work

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in the mainstream, it is a tough one to get into.

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This is not the worst possible time to make an announcement about

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pulling the funding for Remploy factories?

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It is an extremely tough time. There has been a question over

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Remploy as a business, as a brand for 20 years. Successive

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governments have talked about closing down. This one has taken

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that step, but obviously it is that the worst possible time for all

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people, and especially disabled people.

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The government say they may keep them as a going concern. How viable

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do think these seven factories are? I do not have detailed knowledge,

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but I think what is important is that there is a consultation with

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the employees themselves, who were no better than anyone the business,

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the opportunities, local contacts. At what Disability Wales would be

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interested in seeing is whether there is opportunities for disabled

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people, those workers, to take over those factories themselves, to be

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in control of them and make those decisions with the support to

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enable that to happen. For those workers who are facing

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losing their jobs, what would be your message? What can the UK

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government do for the now? I think every effort has to be made

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to support the workers. This is no fault of their row. We need to look

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at retraining, skills, jobs are bored, poaching, contact with local

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businesses. For those who do not feel that is the right option.

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Thank you for joining us tonight. You have probably noticed it has

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been international Women's Day today, and we have honoured that by

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having a man presenting, but Felicity will be back! It is women

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in politics will be talking about now with Betsan Powys. We are going

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to discuss a possible fall in the number of women's politician --

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women politicians. It is an issue which is concerning.

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People are concerned with Welsh politics and the representation of

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women in it. It is a bit of a water if game, but I think it is worth

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getting. The assembly, what do people know about the number of

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women in the assembly? There was a point where it was 5050, the first

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legislature in the world where it was done in that way, but the

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number has come down a bit. There is a hope it might rise again in

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2016. But look at boundary changes and Westminster, and start playing

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that game. It is a real game of questions, because we do not know

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what will happen. There is a possibility that Susan Ellen Jones

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will lose. What if that were to cut across the Jessica Mordon? Other

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politicians may be standing down, and suddenly you start to find that

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the number of women represented from Wales would start to fall. And

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there is a concern that parties they to spot that early and try and

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consider what they might do about He is the rare thing they can do?

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-- is there anything they can do? They can, and the Labour and Plaid

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Cymru have done a lot of good in that regard. But what if Alan

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Michael becomes a police commissioner? Then there will be a

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contest for his seat in a you cannot have an all-women shortlist.

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-- in Penarth. The parties might want to do something about it, but

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Join Felicity Evans as she takes a fresh look at politics through the Dragon's Eye.

Whether it is your local council, the National Assembly, Westminster or Europe, Dragon's Eye will be probing, scrutinising and shedding light on our democratic institutions.


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